Is nothing sacred? After 130 years an old friend is gone. We grew up
with Aunt Jemima for breakfast but she is going away.

Some have considered the familiar figure racists but to me, she was just
a familiar face, a nice lady that just wanted you to have a good
breakfast. IMO, the world would be a better place if everyone had an
Aunt like her.

On 2020-06-17 12:27 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> Is nothing sacred?Â* After 130 years an old friend is gone.Â* We grew up
> with Aunt Jemima for breakfast but she is going away.
>
> Some have considered the familiar figure racists but to me, she was just
> a familiar face, a nice lady that just wanted you to have a good
> breakfast.Â* IMO, the world would be a better place if everyone had an
> Aunt like her.


Never underestimate the need for some people to feel the need to be
offended. Granted, the old image of Aunt Jemima did have that
antebellum air about it, but it had been updated years ago and simply
showed a black woman. I agree that she was just a familiar face.
Companies will be afraid to use black people as their spokespeople for
fear that someone will feel a need to whine about, and then they will
complain that the are not represented in commercial placement.

On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 6:27:07 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> Is nothing sacred? After 130 years an old friend is gone. We grew up
> with Aunt Jemima for breakfast but she is going away.
>
> Some have considered the familiar figure racists but to me, she was just
> a familiar face, a nice lady that just wanted you to have a good
> breakfast. IMO, the world would be a better place if everyone had an
> Aunt like her.

The call her "aunt" but she's not really your auntie. She'd be your mammy - a low-paid hired help that raised you from a baby. That concept is a pretty weird one in this day and age. Perhaps they can change her into a nice white lady. Then she'd be like a real aunt.

On 2020-06-17 1:01 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 6:27:07 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski
> wrote:
>> Is nothing sacred? After 130 years an old friend is gone. We grew
>> up with Aunt Jemima for breakfast but she is going away.
>>
>> Some have considered the familiar figure racists but to me, she was
>> just a familiar face, a nice lady that just wanted you to have a
>> good breakfast. IMO, the world would be a better place if everyone
>> had an Aunt like her.
>
> The call her "aunt" but she's not really your auntie. She'd be your
> mammy - a low-paid hired help that raised you from a baby. That
> concept is a pretty weird one in this day and age. Perhaps they can
> change her into a nice white lady. Then she'd be like a real aunt.
>

Sure. It could be a white lady. That would be the cue for people to
complain that black people are under represented in public images. In
Canada the low paid nanny that is making pancakes for breakfast for
little kids would be more likely to be Filipino.

On 6/17/2020 12:54 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2020-06-17 12:27 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> Is nothing sacred?Â* After 130 years an old friend is gone.Â* We grew up
>> with Aunt Jemima for breakfast but she is going away.
>>
>> Some have considered the familiar figure racists but to me, she was
>> just a familiar face, a nice lady that just wanted you to have a good
>> breakfast.Â* IMO, the world would be a better place if everyone had an
>> Aunt like her.
>
>
> Never underestimate the need for some people to feel the need to be
> offended.Â* Granted, the old image of Aunt Jemima did have that
> antebellum air about it, but it had been updated years ago and simply
> showed a black woman. I agree that she was just a familiar face.
> Companies will be afraid to use black people as their spokespeople for
> fear that someone will feel a need to whine about, and then they will
> complain that the are not represented in commercial placement.
>

I see commercials all the time that have token minorities in them. It
will be more racist if they replace her with a white woman.

Is Uncle Ben next?

On 6/17/2020 1:01 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 6:27:07 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> Is nothing sacred? After 130 years an old friend is gone. We grew up
>> with Aunt Jemima for breakfast but she is going away.
>>
>> Some have considered the familiar figure racists but to me, she was just
>> a familiar face, a nice lady that just wanted you to have a good
>> breakfast. IMO, the world would be a better place if everyone had an
>> Aunt like her.
>
> The call her "aunt" but she's not really your auntie. She'd be your mammy - a low-paid hired help that raised you from a baby. That concept is a pretty weird one in this day and age. Perhaps they can change her into a nice white lady. Then she'd be like a real aunt.
>

No, she is not my Aunt but no different that the Hawaiian Uncle.

Growing up, as a toddler our neighbor had a helper a few days a week,
Miss Beulah. She looked much like the old Aunt Jemima and sometimes she
made us lunch or a snack. We just thought she was a nice lady that
looked after a half dozen of us that played together. Color made no
difference.

dsi1 wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 6:27:07 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> Is nothing sacred? After 130 years an old friend is gone. We grew up
>> with Aunt Jemima for breakfast but she is going away.
>>
>> Some have considered the familiar figure racists but to me, she was just
>> a familiar face, a nice lady that just wanted you to have a good
>> breakfast. IMO, the world would be a better place if everyone had an
>> Aunt like her.
>
> The call her "aunt" but she's not really your auntie. She'd be your mammy - a low-paid hired help that raised you from a baby. That concept is a pretty weird one in this day and age. Perhaps they can change her into a nice white lady. Then she'd be like a real aunt.
>

Or maybe an asian with chopsticks would be the best choice,
indicating that the product is superior to others.

On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 7:17:45 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2020-06-17 1:01 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> > On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 6:27:07 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski
> > wrote:
> >> Is nothing sacred? After 130 years an old friend is gone. We grew
> >> up with Aunt Jemima for breakfast but she is going away.
> >>
> >> Some have considered the familiar figure racists but to me, she was
> >> just a familiar face, a nice lady that just wanted you to have a
> >> good breakfast. IMO, the world would be a better place if everyone
> >> had an Aunt like her.
> >
> > The call her "aunt" but she's not really your auntie. She'd be your
> > mammy - a low-paid hired help that raised you from a baby. That
> > concept is a pretty weird one in this day and age. Perhaps they can
> > change her into a nice white lady. Then she'd be like a real aunt.
> >
>
> Sure. It could be a white lady. That would be the cue for people to
> complain that black people are under represented in public images. In
> Canada the low paid nanny that is making pancakes for breakfast for
> little kids would be more likely to be Filipino.

That would be true if you were down South too, but not too far South - Filipino or Mexican. When I was a kid, we had an old Japanese lady come down to watch us brats and do some house cleaning. She never made us nothing. I suppose that her main job was to make sure we didn't burn the house down.

On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 7:44:07 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 6/17/2020 1:01 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 6:27:07 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >> Is nothing sacred? After 130 years an old friend is gone. We grew up
> >> with Aunt Jemima for breakfast but she is going away.
> >>
> >> Some have considered the familiar figure racists but to me, she was just
> >> a familiar face, a nice lady that just wanted you to have a good
> >> breakfast. IMO, the world would be a better place if everyone had an
> >> Aunt like her.
> >
> > The call her "aunt" but she's not really your auntie. She'd be your mammy - a low-paid hired help that raised you from a baby. That concept is a pretty weird one in this day and age. Perhaps they can change her into a nice white lady. Then she'd be like a real aunt.
> >
>
> No, she is not my Aunt but no different that the Hawaiian Uncle.
>
> Growing up, as a toddler our neighbor had a helper a few days a week,
> Miss Beulah. She looked much like the old Aunt Jemima and sometimes she
> made us lunch or a snack. We just thought she was a nice lady that
> looked after a half dozen of us that played together. Color made no
> difference.

On this rock, people that are older than you are called "aunty" or "uncle." They're not usually paid to raise the kids, though. Extended families are common so it's usually the grandparents that help raise the grand-kids. The most famous auntie on this rock is Aunty Genoa Keawe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb-E78ItDo4

On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 7:31:48 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 6/17/2020 12:54 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> > On 2020-06-17 12:27 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >> Is nothing sacred?Â* After 130 years an old friend is gone.Â* We grew up
> >> with Aunt Jemima for breakfast but she is going away.
> >>
> >> Some have considered the familiar figure racists but to me, she was
> >> just a familiar face, a nice lady that just wanted you to have a good
> >> breakfast.Â* IMO, the world would be a better place if everyone had an
> >> Aunt like her.
> >
> >
> > Never underestimate the need for some people to feel the need to be
> > offended.Â* Granted, the old image of Aunt Jemima did have that
> > antebellum air about it, but it had been updated years ago and simply
> > showed a black woman. I agree that she was just a familiar face.
> > Companies will be afraid to use black people as their spokespeople for
> > fear that someone will feel a need to whine about, and then they will
> > complain that the are not represented in commercial placement.
> >
>
> I see commercials all the time that have token minorities in them. It
> will be more racist if they replace her with a white woman.
>
> Is Uncle Ben next?

You better believe it! They want to get rid of Mrs. Butterworth too. I'm thinking that might not be possible since the bottle is the product. I never thought Mrs. B was a black lady anyway. Her name should be your first clue about that matter. I'd be agreeable to changing the name to Mrs. Doubtfire and altering the bottle a little. In fact, that would be awesome!

"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 7:44:07 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 6/17/2020 1:01 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 6:27:07 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >> Is nothing sacred? After 130 years an old friend is gone. We grew up
> >> with Aunt Jemima for breakfast but she is going away.
> >>
> >> Some have considered the familiar figure racists but to me, she was
> >> just
> >> a familiar face, a nice lady that just wanted you to have a good
> >> breakfast. IMO, the world would be a better place if everyone had an
> >> Aunt like her.
> >
> > The call her "aunt" but she's not really your auntie. She'd be your
> > mammy - a low-paid hired help that raised you from a baby. That concept
> > is a pretty weird one in this day and age. Perhaps they can change her
> > into a nice white lady. Then she'd be like a real aunt.
> >
>
> No, she is not my Aunt but no different that the Hawaiian Uncle.
>
> Growing up, as a toddler our neighbor had a helper a few days a week,
> Miss Beulah. She looked much like the old Aunt Jemima and sometimes she
> made us lunch or a snack. We just thought she was a nice lady that
> looked after a half dozen of us that played together. Color made no
> difference.

On this rock, people that are older than you are called "aunty" or "uncle."
They're not usually paid to raise the kids, though. Extended families are
common so it's usually the grandparents that help raise the grand-kids. The
most famous auntie on this rock is Aunty Genoa Keawe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb-E78ItDo4

==

Awww lovely ))

On 6/17/2020 3:29 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 7:31:48 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 6/17/2020 12:54 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2020-06-17 12:27 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>> Is nothing sacred?Â* After 130 years an old friend is gone.Â* We grew up
>>>> with Aunt Jemima for breakfast but she is going away.
>>>>
>>>> Some have considered the familiar figure racists but to me, she was
>>>> just a familiar face, a nice lady that just wanted you to have a good
>>>> breakfast.Â* IMO, the world would be a better place if everyone had an
>>>> Aunt like her.
>>>
>>>
>>> Never underestimate the need for some people to feel the need to be
>>> offended.Â* Granted, the old image of Aunt Jemima did have that
>>> antebellum air about it, but it had been updated years ago and simply
>>> showed a black woman. I agree that she was just a familiar face.
>>> Companies will be afraid to use black people as their spokespeople for
>>> fear that someone will feel a need to whine about, and then they will
>>> complain that the are not represented in commercial placement.
>>>
>>
>> I see commercials all the time that have token minorities in them. It
>> will be more racist if they replace her with a white woman.
>>
>> Is Uncle Ben next?
>
> You better believe it! They want to get rid of Mrs. Butterworth too. I'm thinking that might not be possible since the bottle is the product. I never thought Mrs. B was a black lady anyway. Her name should be your first clue about that matter. I'd be agreeable to changing the name to Mrs. Doubtfire and altering the bottle a little. In fact, that would be awesome!
>

Looks like Uncle Ben is going away too. The name comes from a rice
farmer known as Uncle Ben, back in 1943. Seems like they are honoring
the guy, not disparaging him.

Is there a real Uncle Ben?
According to Mars, Uncle Ben was an African-American rice grower known
for the quality of his rice. Gordon L. Harwell, an entrepreneur who had
supplied rice to the armed forces in World War II, chose the name Uncle
Ben's as a means to expand his marketing efforts to the general public.

On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 3:27:07 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> Looks like Uncle Ben is going away too. The name comes from a rice
> farmer known as Uncle Ben, back in 1943. Seems like they are honoring
> the guy, not disparaging him.
>
> Is there a real Uncle Ben?
> According to Mars, Uncle Ben was an African-American rice grower known
> for the quality of his rice. Gordon L. Harwell, an entrepreneur who had
> supplied rice to the armed forces in World War II, chose the name Uncle
> Ben's as a means to expand his marketing efforts to the general public.
>
In the South, the title uncle or aunt was applied to either black or white
elderly folks as a matter of respect.

On 6/17/2020 4:27 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 6/17/2020 3:29 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 7:31:48 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 6/17/2020 12:54 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 2020-06-17 12:27 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>> Is nothing sacred?Â* After 130 years an old friend is gone.Â* We grew up
>>>>> with Aunt Jemima for breakfast but she is going away.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some have considered the familiar figure racists but to me, she was
>>>>> just a familiar face, a nice lady that just wanted you to have a good
>>>>> breakfast.Â* IMO, the world would be a better place if everyone had an
>>>>> Aunt like her.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Never underestimate the need for some people to feel the need to be
>>>> offended.Â* Granted, the old image of Aunt Jemima did have that
>>>> antebellum air about it, but it had been updated years ago and simply
>>>> showed a black woman. I agree that she was just a familiar face.
>>>> Companies will be afraid to use black people as their spokespeople for
>>>> fear that someone will feel a need to whine about, and then they will
>>>> complain that the are not represented in commercial placement.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I see commercials all the time that have token minorities in them.Â* It
>>> will be more racist if they replace her with a white woman.
>>>
>>> Is Uncle Ben next?
>>
>> You better believe it! They want to get rid of Mrs. Butterworth too.
>> I'm thinking that might not be possible since the bottle is the
>> product. I never thought Mrs. B was a black lady anyway. Her name
>> should be your first clue about that matter. I'd be agreeable to
>> changing the name to Mrs. Doubtfire and altering the bottle a little.
>> In fact, that would be awesome!
>>
>
> Looks like Uncle Ben is going away too.Â* The name comes from a rice
> farmer known as Uncle Ben, back in 1943.Â* Seems like they are honoring
> the guy, not disparaging him.
>
> Is there a real Uncle Ben?
> According to Mars, Uncle Ben was an African-American rice grower known
> for the quality of his rice. Gordon L. Harwell, an entrepreneur who had
> supplied rice to the armed forces in World War II, chose the name Uncle
> Ben's as a means to expand his marketing efforts to the general public.
>
I think the whole situation is getting out of hand.

Jill

On 2020-06-17 1:31 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 6/17/2020 12:54 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>>
>> Never underestimate the need for some people to feel the need to be
>> offended.Â* Granted, the old image of Aunt Jemima did have that
>> antebellum air about it, but it had been updated years ago and simply
>> showed a black woman. I agree that she was just a familiar face.
>> Companies will be afraid to use black people as their spokespeople for
>> fear that someone will feel a need to whine about, and then they will
>> complain that the are not represented in commercial placement.
>>
>
> I see commercials all the time that have token minorities in them.Â* It
> will be more racist if they replace her with a white woman.
>
> Is Uncle Ben next?

I don't know if it was Uncle Ben or Mrs. Butterworth, you blinked and it
happened.


Funny how these things happen. A while ago they got rid of the
stereotyped south Asian Apu on the Simpsons, but there was no complaint
about the stereotyped Scotsman.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQHpCBEIFMA

On 2020-06-17 3:29 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 7:31:48 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski
> wrote:
>> On 6/17/2020 12:54 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2020-06-17 12:27 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>> Is nothing sacred? After 130 years an old friend is gone. We
>>>> grew up with Aunt Jemima for breakfast but she is going away.
>>>>
>>>> Some have considered the familiar figure racists but to me, she
>>>> was just a familiar face, a nice lady that just wanted you to
>>>> have a good breakfast. IMO, the world would be a better place
>>>> if everyone had an Aunt like her.
>>>
>>>
>>> Never underestimate the need for some people to feel the need to
>>> be offended. Granted, the old image of Aunt Jemima did have
>>> that antebellum air about it, but it had been updated years ago
>>> and simply showed a black woman. I agree that she was just a
>>> familiar face. Companies will be afraid to use black people as
>>> their spokespeople for fear that someone will feel a need to
>>> whine about, and then they will complain that the are not
>>> represented in commercial placement.
>>>
>>
>> I see commercials all the time that have token minorities in them.
>> It will be more racist if they replace her with a white woman.
>>
>> Is Uncle Ben next?
>
> You better believe it! They want to get rid of Mrs. Butterworth too.
> I'm thinking that might not be possible since the bottle is the
> product. I never thought Mrs. B was a black lady anyway. Her name
> should be your first clue about that matter. I'd be agreeable to
> changing the name to Mrs. Doubtfire and altering the bottle a little.
> In fact, that would be awesome!
>
Next to go is Eskimo Pie, a chocolate covered hunk of ice cream on a
stick. We grew up thinking if Eskimo only as the name for the people in
the far north. We were also under the impression that it was the term
that the northern Indians used for them and that it meant eaters of raw
meat. Now it is seen as a pejora
tive.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 6/17/2020 3:29 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 7:31:48 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski
>> wrote:
>>> On 6/17/2020 12:54 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 2020-06-17 12:27 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>> Is nothing sacred?Â* After 130 years an old friend is gone.Â
>>>>> We grew up
>>>>> with Aunt Jemima for breakfast but she is going away.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some have considered the familiar figure racists but to me,
>>>>> she was
>>>>> just a familiar face, a nice lady that just wanted you to have
>>>>> a good
>>>>> breakfast.Â* IMO, the world would be a better place if
>>>>> everyone had an
>>>>> Aunt like her.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Never underestimate the need for some people to feel the need
>>>> to be
>>>> offended.Â* Granted, the old image of Aunt Jemima did have that
>>>> antebellum air about it, but it had been updated years ago and
>>>> simply
>>>> showed a black woman. I agree that she was just a familiar face.
>>>> Companies will be afraid to use black people as their
>>>> spokespeople for
>>>> fear that someone will feel a need to whine about, and then
>>>> they will
>>>> complain that the are not represented in commercial placement.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I see commercials all the time that have token minorities in
>>> them.* It
>>> will be more racist if they replace her with a white woman.
>>>
>>> Is Uncle Ben next?
>>
>> You better believe it! They want to get rid of Mrs. Butterworth
>> too. I'm thinking that might not be possible since the bottle is
>> the product. I never thought Mrs. B was a black lady anyway. Her
>> name should be your first clue about that matter. I'd be
>> agreeable to changing the name to Mrs. Doubtfire and altering the
>> bottle a little. In fact, that would be awesome!
>>
>
> Looks like Uncle Ben is going away too.* The name comes from a rice
> farmer known as Uncle Ben, back in 1943.* Seems like they are
> honoring the guy, not disparaging him.
>
> Is there a real Uncle Ben?
> According to Mars, Uncle Ben was an African-American rice grower
> known for the quality of his rice. Gordon L. Harwell, an
> entrepreneur who had supplied rice to the armed forces in World War
> II, chose the name Uncle Ben's as a means to expand his marketing
> efforts to the general public.
>

Will Frank White (cream of wheat guy who replaced Rastus on the
package in 1920's) be gone too?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_L._White

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rastus

On 6/17/2020 1:18 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2020-06-17 1:01 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
>> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 6:27:07 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski
>> wrote:
>>> Is nothing sacred?Â* After 130 years an old friend is gone.Â* We grew
>>> up with Aunt Jemima for breakfast but she is going away.
>>>
>>> Some have considered the familiar figure racists but to me, she was
>>> just a familiar face, a nice lady that just wanted you to have a
>>> good breakfast.Â* IMO, the world would be a better place if everyone
>>> had an Aunt like her.
>>
>> The call her "aunt" but she's not really your auntie. She'd be your
>> mammy - a low-paid hired help that raised you from a baby. That
>> concept is a pretty weird one in this day and age. Perhaps they can
>> change her into a nice white lady. Then she'd be like a real aunt.
>>
>
> Sure. It could be a white lady. That would be the cue for people to
> complain that black people are under represented in public images. In
> Canada the low paid nanny that is making pancakes for breakfast for
> little kids would be more likely to be Filipino.

Thing is, Aunt Jemima is syrup and boxed pancake mix. A marketing
concept which underwent a lot of changes through the 131 year history,
according to the article in the New York Times:

"In magazine advertisements throughout much of the 20th century, the
character was shown serving white families. Aunt Jemima went through
several redesigns over the decades. In 1989, Quaker Oats substantially
revised the characters look, adding pearl earrings and a lace collar."

I do not understand why her drawn image is suddenly a horrific insult to
anyone. It's *marketing*. Same thing with Uncle Ben, who apparently
lent his image and his name to sell his own brand of rice. He was a
real person who made money as a result. Would he be happy to see his
face taken off those boxes of rice?

Jill

On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 10:15:58 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 7:44:07 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 6/17/2020 1:01 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 6:27:07 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > >> Is nothing sacred? After 130 years an old friend is gone. We grew up
> > >> with Aunt Jemima for breakfast but she is going away.
> > >>
> > >> Some have considered the familiar figure racists but to me, she was
> > >> just
> > >> a familiar face, a nice lady that just wanted you to have a good
> > >> breakfast. IMO, the world would be a better place if everyone had an
> > >> Aunt like her.
> > >
> > > The call her "aunt" but she's not really your auntie. She'd be your
> > > mammy - a low-paid hired help that raised you from a baby. That concept
> > > is a pretty weird one in this day and age. Perhaps they can change her
> > > into a nice white lady. Then she'd be like a real aunt.
> > >
> >
> > No, she is not my Aunt but no different that the Hawaiian Uncle.
> >
> > Growing up, as a toddler our neighbor had a helper a few days a week,
> > Miss Beulah. She looked much like the old Aunt Jemima and sometimes she
> > made us lunch or a snack. We just thought she was a nice lady that
> > looked after a half dozen of us that played together. Color made no
> > difference.
>
> On this rock, people that are older than you are called "aunty" or "uncle."
> They're not usually paid to raise the kids, though. Extended families are
> common so it's usually the grandparents that help raise the grand-kids. The
> most famous auntie on this rock is Aunty Genoa Keawe.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb-E78ItDo4
>
> ==
>
> Awww lovely ))

Aunty Genoa Keawe's legacy lives on in the younger generation. This guy is singing one of her signature falsetto meles. It's quite a wonderful thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvm08mtVJ0A

On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 10:27:07 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 6/17/2020 3:29 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 7:31:48 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >> On 6/17/2020 12:54 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> >>> On 2020-06-17 12:27 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>>> Is nothing sacred?Â* After 130 years an old friend is gone.Â* We grew up
> >>>> with Aunt Jemima for breakfast but she is going away.
> >>>>
> >>>> Some have considered the familiar figure racists but to me, she was
> >>>> just a familiar face, a nice lady that just wanted you to have a good
> >>>> breakfast.Â* IMO, the world would be a better place if everyone had an
> >>>> Aunt like her.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Never underestimate the need for some people to feel the need to be
> >>> offended.Â* Granted, the old image of Aunt Jemima did have that
> >>> antebellum air about it, but it had been updated years ago and simply
> >>> showed a black woman. I agree that she was just a familiar face.
> >>> Companies will be afraid to use black people as their spokespeople for
> >>> fear that someone will feel a need to whine about, and then they will
> >>> complain that the are not represented in commercial placement.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I see commercials all the time that have token minorities in them. It
> >> will be more racist if they replace her with a white woman.
> >>
> >> Is Uncle Ben next?
> >
> > You better believe it! They want to get rid of Mrs. Butterworth too. I'm thinking that might not be possible since the bottle is the product. I never thought Mrs. B was a black lady anyway. Her name should be your first clue about that matter. I'd be agreeable to changing the name to Mrs. Doubtfire and altering the bottle a little. In fact, that would be awesome!
> >
>
> Looks like Uncle Ben is going away too. The name comes from a rice
> farmer known as Uncle Ben, back in 1943. Seems like they are honoring
> the guy, not disparaging him.
>
> Is there a real Uncle Ben?
> According to Mars, Uncle Ben was an African-American rice grower known
> for the quality of his rice. Gordon L. Harwell, an entrepreneur who had
> supplied rice to the armed forces in World War II, chose the name Uncle
> Ben's as a means to expand his marketing efforts to the general public.

That's fine, if the idea of your mom being forced to work for slave wages cleaning up other people's houses and raising other people's kids appeals to you. It's great if you think putting a grinning picture of your mom or aunt on a box of product to sell to generations of people that called her "mammy" because economic and societal conditions forced her to raise them instead of raising you is a good thing.

On 6/17/2020 6:59 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 6/17/2020 1:18 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2020-06-17 1:01 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 6:27:07 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski
>>> wrote:
>>>> Is nothing sacred?Â* After 130 years an old friend is gone.Â* We grew
>>>> up with Aunt Jemima for breakfast but she is going away.
>>>>
>>>> Some have considered the familiar figure racists but to me, she was
>>>> just a familiar face, a nice lady that just wanted you to have a
>>>> good breakfast.Â* IMO, the world would be a better place if everyone
>>>> had an Aunt like her.
>>>
>>> The call her "aunt" but she's not really your auntie. She'd be your
>>> mammy - a low-paid hired help that raised you from a baby. That
>>> concept is a pretty weird one in this day and age. Perhaps they can
>>> change her into a nice white lady. Then she'd be like a real aunt.
>>>
>>
>> Sure. It could be a white lady. That would be the cue for people to
>> complain that black people are under represented in public images. In
>> Canada the low paid nanny that is making pancakes for breakfast for
>> little kids would be more likely to be Filipino.
>
> Thing is, Aunt Jemima is syrup and boxed pancake mix.Â* A marketing
> concept which underwent a lot of changes through the 131 year history,
> according to the article in the New York Times:
>
> "In magazine advertisements throughout much of the 20th century, the
> character was shown serving white families. Aunt Jemima went through
> several redesigns over the decades. In 1989, Quaker Oats substantially
> revised the characters look, adding pearl earrings and a lace collar."
>
> I do not understand why her drawn image is suddenly a horrific insult to
> anyone.Â* It's *marketing*.Â* Same thing with Uncle Ben, who apparently
> lent his image and his name to sell his own brand of rice.Â* He was a
> real person who made money as a result.Â* Would he be happy to see his
> face taken off those boxes of rice?
>
> Jill

There is nothing derogatory with the name Jemima and seems to be used by
people of other countries too. The original drawings did depict her as
kitchen help, not so much the updated.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jemima

Taking Uncle Ben off the rice is an insult to him. He was a hard
working farmer and achieved a bit of recognition for his skills.

On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 12:27:03 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>Is nothing sacred? After 130 years an old friend is gone. We grew up
>with Aunt Jemima for breakfast but she is going away.
>
>Some have considered the familiar figure racists but to me, she was just
>a familiar face, a nice lady that just wanted you to have a good
>breakfast. IMO, the world would be a better place if everyone had an
>Aunt like her.


yeah the white people feel they are being racist because some black
people are actually being racist

--

____/~~~sine qua non~~~\____

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 6/17/2020 6:59 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 6/17/2020 1:18 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2020-06-17 1:01 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 6:27:07 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Is nothing sacred?ÂÂ* After 130 years an old friend is gone.Â
>>>>> We grew
>>>>> up with Aunt Jemima for breakfast but she is going away.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some have considered the familiar figure racists but to me,
>>>>> she was
>>>>> just a familiar face, a nice lady that just wanted you to have a
>>>>> good breakfast.ÂÂ* IMO, the world would be a better place if
>>>>> everyone
>>>>> had an Aunt like her.
>>>>
>>>> The call her "aunt" but she's not really your auntie. She'd be
>>>> your
>>>> mammy - a low-paid hired help that raised you from a baby. That
>>>> concept is a pretty weird one in this day and age. Perhaps they
>>>> can
>>>> change her into a nice white lady. Then she'd be like a real aunt.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Sure. It could be a white lady. That would be the cue for people
>>> to complain that black people are under represented in public
>>> images. In Canada the low paid nanny that is making pancakes for
>>> breakfast for little kids would be more likely to be Filipino.
>>
>> Thing is, Aunt Jemima is syrup and boxed pancake mix.ÂÂ* A
>> marketing concept which underwent a lot of changes through the
>> 131 year history, according to the article in the New York Times:
>>
>> "In magazine advertisements throughout much of the 20th century,
>> the character was shown serving white families. Aunt Jemima went
>> through several redesigns over the decades. In 1989, Quaker Oats
>> substantially revised the character€„¢s look, adding pearl
>> earrings and a lace collar."
>>
>> I do not understand why her drawn image is suddenly a horrific
>> insult to anyone.ÂÂ* It's *marketing*.ÂÂ* Same thing with Uncle
>> Ben, who apparently lent his image and his name to sell his own
>> brand of rice.ÂÂ* He was a real person who made money as a
>> result.ÂÂ* Would he be happy to see his face taken off those boxes
>> of rice?
>>
>> Jill
>
> There is nothing derogatory with the name Jemima and seems to be
> used by people of other countries too.Â* The original drawings did
> depict her as kitchen help, not so much the updated.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jemima
>
> Taking Uncle Ben off the rice is an insult to him.Â* He was a hard
> working farmer and achieved a bit of recognition for his skills.

Maybe it's best to take these images off. We wouldn't want more
riots over pancake syrup.

On 6/17/2020 9:21 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 10:27:07 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 6/17/2020 3:29 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 7:31:48 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>> On 6/17/2020 12:54 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>> On 2020-06-17 12:27 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>>> Is nothing sacred?Â* After 130 years an old friend is gone.Â* We grew up
>>>>>> with Aunt Jemima for breakfast but she is going away.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some have considered the familiar figure racists but to me, she was
>>>>>> just a familiar face, a nice lady that just wanted you to have a good
>>>>>> breakfast.Â* IMO, the world would be a better place if everyone had an
>>>>>> Aunt like her.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Never underestimate the need for some people to feel the need to be
>>>>> offended.Â* Granted, the old image of Aunt Jemima did have that
>>>>> antebellum air about it, but it had been updated years ago and simply
>>>>> showed a black woman. I agree that she was just a familiar face.
>>>>> Companies will be afraid to use black people as their spokespeople for
>>>>> fear that someone will feel a need to whine about, and then they will
>>>>> complain that the are not represented in commercial placement.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I see commercials all the time that have token minorities in them. It
>>>> will be more racist if they replace her with a white woman.
>>>>
>>>> Is Uncle Ben next?
>>>
>>> You better believe it! They want to get rid of Mrs. Butterworth too. I'm thinking that might not be possible since the bottle is the product. I never thought Mrs. B was a black lady anyway. Her name should be your first clue about that matter. I'd be agreeable to changing the name to Mrs. Doubtfire and altering the bottle a little. In fact, that would be awesome!
>>>
>>
>> Looks like Uncle Ben is going away too. The name comes from a rice
>> farmer known as Uncle Ben, back in 1943. Seems like they are honoring
>> the guy, not disparaging him.
>>
>> Is there a real Uncle Ben?
>> According to Mars, Uncle Ben was an African-American rice grower known
>> for the quality of his rice. Gordon L. Harwell, an entrepreneur who had
>> supplied rice to the armed forces in World War II, chose the name Uncle
>> Ben's as a means to expand his marketing efforts to the general public.
>
> That's fine, if the idea of your mom being forced to work for slave wages cleaning up other people's houses and raising other people's kids appeals to you. It's great if you think putting a grinning picture of your mom or aunt on a box of product to sell to generations of people that called her "mammy" because economic and societal conditions forced her to raise them instead of raising you is a good thing.
>

We evolved away from that years ago. I know people that make a very
good wage cleaning houses. You problem if you want to live with old
stereotypes and not move on.

On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 12:27:03 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>Is nothing sacred? After 130 years an old friend is gone. We grew up
>with Aunt Jemima for breakfast but she is going away.
>
>Some have considered the familiar figure racists but to me, she was just
>a familiar face, a nice lady that just wanted you to have a good
>breakfast. IMO, the world would be a better place if everyone had an
>Aunt like her.

Australian cheese brand Coon, named after American Edward William Coon
is on the radar of the Permanently Offended:
<https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/90634acf0e02011a8f5615e65091d805>

On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 13:31:18 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 3:27:07 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>> Looks like Uncle Ben is going away too. The name comes from a rice
>> farmer known as Uncle Ben, back in 1943. Seems like they are honoring
>> the guy, not disparaging him.
>>
>> Is there a real Uncle Ben?
>> According to Mars, Uncle Ben was an African-American rice grower known
>> for the quality of his rice. Gordon L. Harwell, an entrepreneur who had
>> supplied rice to the armed forces in World War II, chose the name Uncle
>> Ben's as a means to expand his marketing efforts to the general public.
>>
>In the South, the title uncle or aunt was applied to either black or white
>elderly folks as a matter of respect.

That's proof that Hawaiians can swim.

On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 4:37:05 PM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 6/17/2020 9:21 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 10:27:07 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >> On 6/17/2020 3:29 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 7:31:48 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>>> On 6/17/2020 12:54 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> >>>>> On 2020-06-17 12:27 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>>>>> Is nothing sacred?Â* After 130 years an old friend is gone.Â* We grew up
> >>>>>> with Aunt Jemima for breakfast but she is going away.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Some have considered the familiar figure racists but to me, she was
> >>>>>> just a familiar face, a nice lady that just wanted you to have a good
> >>>>>> breakfast.Â* IMO, the world would be a better place if everyone had an
> >>>>>> Aunt like her.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Never underestimate the need for some people to feel the need to be
> >>>>> offended.Â* Granted, the old image of Aunt Jemima did have that
> >>>>> antebellum air about it, but it had been updated years ago and simply
> >>>>> showed a black woman. I agree that she was just a familiar face.
> >>>>> Companies will be afraid to use black people as their spokespeople for
> >>>>> fear that someone will feel a need to whine about, and then they will
> >>>>> complain that the are not represented in commercial placement.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I see commercials all the time that have token minorities in them. It
> >>>> will be more racist if they replace her with a white woman.
> >>>>
> >>>> Is Uncle Ben next?
> >>>
> >>> You better believe it! They want to get rid of Mrs. Butterworth too. I'm thinking that might not be possible since the bottle is the product. I never thought Mrs. B was a black lady anyway. Her name should be your first clue about that matter. I'd be agreeable to changing the name to Mrs. Doubtfire and altering the bottle a little. In fact, that would be awesome!
> >>>
> >>
> >> Looks like Uncle Ben is going away too. The name comes from a rice
> >> farmer known as Uncle Ben, back in 1943. Seems like they are honoring
> >> the guy, not disparaging him.
> >>
> >> Is there a real Uncle Ben?
> >> According to Mars, Uncle Ben was an African-American rice grower known
> >> for the quality of his rice. Gordon L. Harwell, an entrepreneur who had
> >> supplied rice to the armed forces in World War II, chose the name Uncle
> >> Ben's as a means to expand his marketing efforts to the general public..
> >
> > That's fine, if the idea of your mom being forced to work for slave wages cleaning up other people's houses and raising other people's kids appeals to you. It's great if you think putting a grinning picture of your mom or aunt on a box of product to sell to generations of people that called her "mammy" because economic and societal conditions forced her to raise them instead of raising you is a good thing.
> >
>
> We evolved away from that years ago. I know people that make a very
> good wage cleaning houses. You problem if you want to live with old
> stereotypes and not move on.

It's not really my problem. Yoose folks on the mainland can keep your vestiges of the old South that yoose so desperately cling to. Us guys on this rock have our own problems to tend to. I was just trying to get people to see what it looks like from the other guy's point of view. Oh well, we can't all be Gregory Peck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b05CMl4hwcc

On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 23:03:02 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 4:37:05 PM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 6/17/2020 9:21 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 10:27:07 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> >> On 6/17/2020 3:29 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> >>> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 7:31:48 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> >>>> On 6/17/2020 12:54 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> >>>>> On 2020-06-17 12:27 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> >>>>>> Is nothing sacred?Â* After 130 years an old friend is gone.Â* We grew up
>> >>>>>> with Aunt Jemima for breakfast but she is going away.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Some have considered the familiar figure racists but to me, she was
>> >>>>>> just a familiar face, a nice lady that just wanted you to have a good
>> >>>>>> breakfast.Â* IMO, the world would be a better place if everyone had an
>> >>>>>> Aunt like her.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Never underestimate the need for some people to feel the need to be
>> >>>>> offended.Â* Granted, the old image of Aunt Jemima did have that
>> >>>>> antebellum air about it, but it had been updated years ago and simply
>> >>>>> showed a black woman. I agree that she was just a familiar face.
>> >>>>> Companies will be afraid to use black people as their spokespeople for
>> >>>>> fear that someone will feel a need to whine about, and then they will
>> >>>>> complain that the are not represented in commercial placement.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I see commercials all the time that have token minorities in them. It
>> >>>> will be more racist if they replace her with a white woman.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Is Uncle Ben next?
>> >>>
>> >>> You better believe it! They want to get rid of Mrs. Butterworth too. I'm thinking that might not be possible since the bottle is the product. I never thought Mrs. B was a black lady anyway. Her name should be your first clue about that matter. I'd be agreeable to changing the name to Mrs. Doubtfire and altering the bottle a
little. In fact, that would be awesome!
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> Looks like Uncle Ben is going away too. The name comes from a rice
>> >> farmer known as Uncle Ben, back in 1943. Seems like they are honoring
>> >> the guy, not disparaging him.
>> >>
>> >> Is there a real Uncle Ben?
>> >> According to Mars, Uncle Ben was an African-American rice grower known
>> >> for the quality of his rice. Gordon L. Harwell, an entrepreneur who had
>> >> supplied rice to the armed forces in World War II, chose the name Uncle
>> >> Ben's as a means to expand his marketing efforts to the general public.
>> >
>> > That's fine, if the idea of your mom being forced to work for slave wages cleaning up other people's houses and raising other people's kids appeals to you. It's great if you think putting a grinning picture of your mom or aunt on a box of product to sell to generations of people that called her "mammy" because economic and
societal conditions forced her to raise them instead of raising you is a good thing.
>> >
>>
>> We evolved away from that years ago. I know people that make a very
>> good wage cleaning houses. You problem if you want to live with old
>> stereotypes and not move on.
>
>It's not really my problem. Yoose folks on the mainland can keep your vestiges of the old South that yoose so desperately cling to. Us guys on this rock have our own problems to tend to. I was just trying to get people to see what it looks like from the other guy's point of view. Oh well, we can't all be Gregory Peck.
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b05CMl4hwcc

A mouse and an elephant are crossing a bridge. The mouse says to the
elephant: "We're making the whole bridge shake."

That's dsi1's rock versus the mainland.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> Is nothing sacred? After 130 years an old friend is gone. We grew up
> with Aunt Jemima for breakfast but she is going away.
>
> Some have considered the familiar figure racists but to me, she was just a
> familiar face, a nice lady that just wanted you to have a good breakfast.
> IMO, the world would be a better place if everyone had an Aunt like her.

Not only that, SHE founded that brand name, herself. She was the first black
millionaire in this country, Sad.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/17/2020 12:54 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2020-06-17 12:27 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> Is nothing sacred? After 130 years an old friend is gone. We grew up
>>> with Aunt Jemima for breakfast but she is going away.
>>>
>>> Some have considered the familiar figure racists but to me, she was just
>>> a familiar face, a nice lady that just wanted you to have a good
>>> breakfast. IMO, the world would be a better place if everyone had an
>>> Aunt like her.
>>
>>
>> Never underestimate the need for some people to feel the need to be
>> offended. Granted, the old image of Aunt Jemima did have that antebellum
>> air about it, but it had been updated years ago and simply showed a black
>> woman. I agree that she was just a familiar face. Companies will be
>> afraid to use black people as their spokespeople for fear that someone
>> will feel a need to whine about, and then they will complain that the are
>> not represented in commercial placement.
>>
>
> I see commercials all the time that have token minorities in them. It
> will be more racist if they replace her with a white woman.
>
> Is Uncle Ben next?

Yep. I heard that's going too.

On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 8:36:10 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 23:03:02 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> > wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 4:37:05 PM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >> On 6/17/2020 9:21 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> >> > On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 10:27:07 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >> >> On 6/17/2020 3:29 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> >> >>> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 7:31:48 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >> >>>> On 6/17/2020 12:54 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> >>>>> On 2020-06-17 12:27 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >> >>>>>> Is nothing sacred?Â* After 130 years an old friend is gone.Â* We grew up
> >> >>>>>> with Aunt Jemima for breakfast but she is going away.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Some have considered the familiar figure racists but to me, she was
> >> >>>>>> just a familiar face, a nice lady that just wanted you to have a good
> >> >>>>>> breakfast.Â* IMO, the world would be a better place if everyone had an
> >> >>>>>> Aunt like her.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Never underestimate the need for some people to feel the need to be
> >> >>>>> offended.Â* Granted, the old image of Aunt Jemima did have that
> >> >>>>> antebellum air about it, but it had been updated years ago and simply
> >> >>>>> showed a black woman. I agree that she was just a familiar face.
> >> >>>>> Companies will be afraid to use black people as their spokespeople for
> >> >>>>> fear that someone will feel a need to whine about, and then they will
> >> >>>>> complain that the are not represented in commercial placement.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I see commercials all the time that have token minorities in them.. It
> >> >>>> will be more racist if they replace her with a white woman.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Is Uncle Ben next?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> You better believe it! They want to get rid of Mrs. Butterworth too. I'm thinking that might not be possible since the bottle is the product. I never thought Mrs. B was a black lady anyway. Her name should be your first clue about that matter. I'd be agreeable to changing the name to Mrs. Doubtfire and altering the bottle a
> little. In fact, that would be awesome!
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >> Looks like Uncle Ben is going away too. The name comes from a rice
> >> >> farmer known as Uncle Ben, back in 1943. Seems like they are honoring
> >> >> the guy, not disparaging him.
> >> >>
> >> >> Is there a real Uncle Ben?
> >> >> According to Mars, Uncle Ben was an African-American rice grower known
> >> >> for the quality of his rice. Gordon L. Harwell, an entrepreneur who had
> >> >> supplied rice to the armed forces in World War II, chose the name Uncle
> >> >> Ben's as a means to expand his marketing efforts to the general public.
> >> >
> >> > That's fine, if the idea of your mom being forced to work for slave wages cleaning up other people's houses and raising other people's kids appeals to you. It's great if you think putting a grinning picture of your mom or aunt on a box of product to sell to generations of people that called her "mammy" because economic and
> societal conditions forced her to raise them instead of raising you is a good thing.
> >> >
> >>
> >> We evolved away from that years ago. I know people that make a very
> >> good wage cleaning houses. You problem if you want to live with old
> >> stereotypes and not move on.
> >
> >It's not really my problem. Yoose folks on the mainland can keep your vestiges of the old South that yoose so desperately cling to. Us guys on this rock have our own problems to tend to. I was just trying to get people to see what it looks like from the other guy's point of view. Oh well, we can't all be Gregory Peck.
> >
> >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b05CMl4hwcc
>
> A mouse and an elephant are crossing a bridge. The mouse says to the
> elephant: "We're making the whole bridge shake."
>
> That's dsi1's rock versus the mainland.

My uncle Charlie used to say "Mouse should never cross shaky bridge with elephant." Now that's some damn good advice.

We ate in a real restaurant this evening. My wife had ahi poke nachos. Now that's some damn good eats.

https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared...B6RtSVcPGrOSLj

On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 5:49:41 AM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 8:36:10 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> > On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 23:03:02 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 4:37:05 PM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > >> On 6/17/2020 9:21 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > >> > On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 10:27:07 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > >> >> On 6/17/2020 3:29 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > >> >>> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 7:31:48 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > >> >>>> On 6/17/2020 12:54 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> > >> >>>>> On 2020-06-17 12:27 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > >> >>>>>> Is nothing sacred?Â* After 130 years an old friend is gone.Â* We grew up
> > >> >>>>>> with Aunt Jemima for breakfast but she is going away.
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>> Some have considered the familiar figure racists but to me, she was
> > >> >>>>>> just a familiar face, a nice lady that just wanted you to have a good
> > >> >>>>>> breakfast.Â* IMO, the world would be a better place if everyone had an
> > >> >>>>>> Aunt like her.
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> Never underestimate the need for some people to feel the need to be
> > >> >>>>> offended.Â* Granted, the old image of Aunt Jemima did have that
> > >> >>>>> antebellum air about it, but it had been updated years ago and simply
> > >> >>>>> showed a black woman. I agree that she was just a familiar face.
> > >> >>>>> Companies will be afraid to use black people as their spokespeople for
> > >> >>>>> fear that someone will feel a need to whine about, and then they will
> > >> >>>>> complain that the are not represented in commercial placement.
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> I see commercials all the time that have token minorities in them. It
> > >> >>>> will be more racist if they replace her with a white woman.
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> Is Uncle Ben next?
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> You better believe it! They want to get rid of Mrs. Butterworth too. I'm thinking that might not be possible since the bottle is the product. I never thought Mrs. B was a black lady anyway. Her name should be your first clue about that matter. I'd be agreeable to changing the name to Mrs. Doubtfire and altering the bottle a
> > little. In fact, that would be awesome!
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Looks like Uncle Ben is going away too. The name comes from a rice
> > >> >> farmer known as Uncle Ben, back in 1943. Seems like they are honoring
> > >> >> the guy, not disparaging him.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Is there a real Uncle Ben?
> > >> >> According to Mars, Uncle Ben was an African-American rice grower known
> > >> >> for the quality of his rice. Gordon L. Harwell, an entrepreneur who had
> > >> >> supplied rice to the armed forces in World War II, chose the name Uncle
> > >> >> Ben's as a means to expand his marketing efforts to the general public.
> > >> >
> > >> > That's fine, if the idea of your mom being forced to work for slave wages cleaning up other people's houses and raising other people's kids appeals to you. It's great if you think putting a grinning picture of your mom or aunt on a box of product to sell to generations of people that called her "mammy" because economic and
> > societal conditions forced her to raise them instead of raising you is a good thing.
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> We evolved away from that years ago. I know people that make a very
> > >> good wage cleaning houses. You problem if you want to live with old
> > >> stereotypes and not move on.
> > >
> > >It's not really my problem. Yoose folks on the mainland can keep your vestiges of the old South that yoose so desperately cling to. Us guys on this rock have our own problems to tend to. I was just trying to get people to see what it looks like from the other guy's point of view. Oh well, we can't all be Gregory Peck.
> > >
> > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b05CMl4hwcc
> >
> > A mouse and an elephant are crossing a bridge. The mouse says to the
> > elephant: "We're making the whole bridge shake."
> >
> > That's dsi1's rock versus the mainland.
>
> My uncle Charlie used to say "Mouse should never cross shaky bridge with elephant." Now that's some damn good advice.
>
> We ate in a real restaurant this evening. My wife had ahi poke nachos. Now that's some damn good eats.
>
> https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared...B6RtSVcPGrOSLj

Are the chips corn or wheat?

Cindy Hamilton

On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 2:03:05 AM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 4:37:05 PM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> It's not really my problem. Yoose folks on the mainland can keep your vestiges of the old South that yoose so desperately cling to.

You're right. Here we sit, plaintively singing Dixie, wishing that
brown people still knew their place.

> Us guys on this rock have our own problems to tend to. I was just trying to get people to see what it looks like from the other guy's point of view. Oh well, we can't all be Gregory Peck.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b05CMl4hwcc

David, Gregory Peck was an actor. He spoke other people's words in
a convincing manner.

Cindy Hamilton

On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 02:49:37 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 8:36:10 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 23:03:02 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >It's not really my problem. Yoose folks on the mainland can keep your vestiges of the old South that yoose so desperately cling to. Us guys on this rock have our own problems to tend to. I was just trying to get people to see what it looks like from the other guy's point of view. Oh well, we can't all be Gregory Peck.
>> >
>> >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b05CMl4hwcc
>>
>> A mouse and an elephant are crossing a bridge. The mouse says to the
>> elephant: "We're making the whole bridge shake."
>>
>> That's dsi1's rock versus the mainland.
>
>My uncle Charlie used to say "Mouse should never cross shaky bridge with elephant." Now that's some damn good advice.

Your uncle was a wise man.

>We ate in a real restaurant this evening. My wife had ahi poke nachos. Now that's some damn good eats.
>
>https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared...B6RtSVcPGrOSLj

I think I see tortilla chips, green onion, corn (of course, we're in
America), tomato and avocado?

On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 11:55:09 PM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 5:49:41 AM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 8:36:10 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> > > On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 23:03:02 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 4:37:05 PM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > > >> On 6/17/2020 9:21 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > > >> > On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 10:27:07 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > > >> >> On 6/17/2020 3:29 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > > >> >>> On Wednesday, June 17, 2020 at 7:31:48 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > > >> >>>> On 6/17/2020 12:54 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> > > >> >>>>> On 2020-06-17 12:27 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > > >> >>>>>> Is nothing sacred?Â* After 130 years an old friend is gone.Â* We grew up
> > > >> >>>>>> with Aunt Jemima for breakfast but she is going away.
> > > >> >>>>>>
> > > >> >>>>>> Some have considered the familiar figure racists but to me, she was
> > > >> >>>>>> just a familiar face, a nice lady that just wanted you to have a good
> > > >> >>>>>> breakfast.Â* IMO, the world would be a better place if everyone had an
> > > >> >>>>>> Aunt like her.
> > > >> >>>>>
> > > >> >>>>>
> > > >> >>>>> Never underestimate the need for some people to feel the need to be
> > > >> >>>>> offended.Â* Granted, the old image of Aunt Jemima did have that
> > > >> >>>>> antebellum air about it, but it had been updated years ago and simply
> > > >> >>>>> showed a black woman. I agree that she was just a familiar face.
> > > >> >>>>> Companies will be afraid to use black people as their spokespeople for
> > > >> >>>>> fear that someone will feel a need to whine about, and then they will
> > > >> >>>>> complain that the are not represented in commercial placement.

Bruce wrote:
>
> dsi1 wrote:
> > We ate in a real restaurant this evening. My wife had
> > ahi poke nachos. Now that's some damn good eats.
> >
> >https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared...B6RtSVcPGrOSLj


> I think I see tortilla chips, green onion, corn (of course, we're in
> America), tomato and avocado?

What's your issue with corn?

On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 07:00:46 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Bruce wrote:
>>
>> dsi1 wrote:
>> > We ate in a real restaurant this evening. My wife had
>> > ahi poke nachos. Now that's some damn good eats.
>> >
>> >https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared...B6RtSVcPGrOSLj
>
>
>> I think I see tortilla chips, green onion, corn (of course, we're in
>> America), tomato and avocado?
>
>What's your issue with corn?

Nothing, I'm just surprised that y'all love it so much, GM or not.
Sorry, make that GM.

Bruce wrote:
>
> On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 07:00:46 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
> >Bruce wrote:
> >>
> >> dsi1 wrote:
> >> > We ate in a real restaurant this evening. My wife had
> >> > ahi poke nachos. Now that's some damn good eats.
> >> >
> >> >https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared...B6RtSVcPGrOSLj
> >
> >
> >> I think I see tortilla chips, green onion, corn (of course, we're in
> >> America), tomato and avocado?
> >
> >What's your issue with corn?
>
> Nothing, I'm just surprised that y'all love it so much, GM or not.
> Sorry, make that GM.

For some reason, many are terrified of genetically modified food.
It's just modern science at work and moving on. I notice that
vegetarians love the idea of fake meat grown from stem cells
though.

On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 08:00:36 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Bruce wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 07:00:46 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>
>> >Bruce wrote:
>> >>
>> >> dsi1 wrote:
>> >> > We ate in a real restaurant this evening. My wife had
>> >> > ahi poke nachos. Now that's some damn good eats.
>> >> >
>> >> >https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared...B6RtSVcPGrOSLj
>> >
>> >
>> >> I think I see tortilla chips, green onion, corn (of course, we're in
>> >> America), tomato and avocado?
>> >
>> >What's your issue with corn?
>>
>> Nothing, I'm just surprised that y'all love it so much, GM or not.
>> Sorry, make that GM.
>
>For some reason, many are terrified of genetically modified food.
>It's just modern science at work and moving on. I notice that
>vegetarians love the idea of fake meat grown from stem cells
>though.

There's so much wrong with GM food that I'll just refer you to Google.

On Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 6:23:19 AM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:

> > > We ate in a real restaurant this evening. My wife had ahi poke nachos. Now that's some damn good eats.
> > >
> > > https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared...B6RtSVcPGrOSLj
> >
> > Are the chips corn or wheat?
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
>
> They are wonton pi sheets so they're are flour and egg pasta. The sheets are cut in half and deep fried.

Oh, good. Corn chips didn't sound like they'd go well at all with ahi
poke. I'd eat those ahi poke nachos in a Kaneohe minute (appreciably more
leisurely than a New York minute).

I should have asked earlier:
What are the yellow things that Bruce identified as corn? They look too
oblong to be corn.

Cindy Hamilton