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DEAR MISS MANNERS: I know it is considered impolite to ask for something that is not on the dinner table. I was wondering, however, if it were permitted to ask for routine things, such as salt or water.

Is it OK to ask for tea when coffee is offered, or should one just refuse a drink? Cream cheese is routinely offered with bagels, but I prefer butter. Is it acceptable to ask if they have such, or do I eat my bagel dry?

GENTLE READER: Naked bagels and beverage abstinence are not required, as long as requests are polite and reasonable. Miss Manners allows one usually available substitution per item, if no more than two words are used to modify it: €œI wonder if you might have beer instead of wine€� is acceptable. €œSomething hoppy in a locally sourced, sustainable craft lager€� is not.

And two comments that caught my eye:

Karen K: "Growing up, we never had drinks with our meals, only after. The reason? My brother "Paul", who, when he was little, managed to spill his freaking milk every. single. night. Our kitchen table was one of those that you could extend by pulling out and putting in an extra "leaf" to make it bigger, and the milk would always go right into/through the damn gap in the middle. Mom got sick of it and so we got our milk or whatever after dinner."

JC77: "My mother had the odd belief that you should be able to chew and swallow your food without ever taking a drink. She must have had higher saliva levels than I do. Most of the time, she didn't make an issue of it, but when she did, I struggled."


MY late mother had a similar rule, that I'm pretty sure I've seen MIss Manners advocate as well. That is, no sipping from any beverage until one's mouth was empty. The idea was to promote slow, genteel chewing - and the preventing of choking, of course. It also happened to be a practice within the macrobiotic diet, so the saying was "chew your soup and drink your food."



Lenona.

On 6/20/2020 10:09 PM, wrote:
> And two comments that caught my eye:
>
> Karen K: "Growing up, we never had drinks with our meals, only after. The reason? My brother "Paul", who, when he was little, managed to spill his freaking milk every. single. night. Our kitchen table was one of those that you could extend by pulling out and putting in an extra "leaf" to make it bigger, and the milk would always go right into/through the damn gap in the middle. Mom got sick of it and so we got our milk or whatever after dinner."
>
> JC77: "My mother had the odd belief that you should be able to chew and swallow your food without ever taking a drink. She must have had higher saliva levels than I do. Most of the time, she didn't make an issue of it, but when she did, I struggled."
>
>
> MY late mother had a similar rule, that I'm pretty sure I've seen MIss Manners advocate as well. That is, no sipping from any beverage until one's mouth was empty. The idea was to promote slow, genteel chewing - and the preventing of choking, of course. It also happened to be a practice within the macrobiotic diet, so the saying was "chew your soup and drink your food."
>
>
>
> Lenona.
>
I always disliked milk and as a kid would often wait until after the
meal a guzzle it down as fast as I could.
Beer with pizza and sometime a sandwich
Wine with a nice dinner
Water is appropriate any time. with any meal.

On Saturday, June 20, 2020 at 9:40:56 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 6/20/2020 10:09 PM, wrote:
> > And two comments that caught my eye:
> >
> > Karen K: "Growing up, we never had drinks with our meals, only after. The reason? My brother "Paul", who, when he was little, managed to spill his freaking milk every. single. night. Our kitchen table was one of those that you could extend by pulling out and putting in an extra "leaf" to make it bigger, and the milk would always go right into/through the damn gap in the middle. Mom got sick of it and so we got our milk or whatever after dinner."
> >
> > JC77: "My mother had the odd belief that you should be able to chew and swallow your food without ever taking a drink. She must have had higher saliva levels than I do. Most of the time, she didn't make an issue of it, but when she did, I struggled."
> >
> >
> > MY late mother had a similar rule, that I'm pretty sure I've seen MIss Manners advocate as well. That is, no sipping from any beverage until one's mouth was empty. The idea was to promote slow, genteel chewing - and the preventing of choking, of course. It also happened to be a practice within the macrobiotic diet, so the saying was "chew your soup and drink your food."
> >
> >
> >
> > Lenona.
> >
> I always disliked milk and as a kid would often wait until after the
> meal a guzzle it down as fast as I could.
> Beer with pizza and sometime a sandwich
> Wine with a nice dinner
> Water is appropriate any time. with any meal.

Room temp H2O! :-)

John Kuthe...

On 6/20/2020 10:40 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 6/20/2020 10:09 PM, wrote:
>> And two comments that caught my eye:
>>
>> Karen K: "Growing up, we never had drinks with our meals, only after.
>> The reason? My brother "Paul", who, when he was little, managed to
>> spill his freaking milk every. single. night. Our kitchen table was
>> one of those that you could extend by pulling out and putting in an
>> extra "leaf" to make it bigger, and the milk would always go right
>> into/through the damn gap in the middle. Mom got sick of it and so we
>> got our milk or whatever after dinner."
>>
>> JC77: "My mother had the odd belief that you should be able to chew
>> and swallow your food without ever taking a drink. She must have had
>> higher saliva levels than I do. Most of the time, she didn't make an
>> issue of it, but when she did, I struggled."
>>
>>
>> MY late mother had a similar rule, that I'm pretty sure I've seen MIss
>> Manners advocate as well. That is, no sipping from any beverage until
>> one's mouth was empty. The idea was to promote slow, genteel chewing -
>> and the preventing of choking, of course. It also happened to be a
>> practice within the macrobiotic diet, so the saying was "chew your
>> soup and drink your food."
>>
>>
>>
>> Lenona.
>>
> I always disliked milk and as a kid would often wait until after the
> meal a guzzle it down as fast as I could.
> Beer with pizza and sometime a sandwich
> Wine with a nice dinner
> Water is appropriate any time. with any meal.

I like milk. No bones about it. Thing is, I agree with not using a
beverage to wash down your food. I don't know about "genteel" since I
wasn't raised in a 'Miss Manners' type household. It does make sense to
chew and swallow before taking a sip of the beverage of choice.

Jill

On Sat, 20 Jun 2020 19:47:14 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> wrote:

>On Saturday, June 20, 2020 at 9:40:56 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 6/20/2020 10:09 PM, wrote:
>> > And two comments that caught my eye:
>> >
>> > Karen K: "Growing up, we never had drinks with our meals, only after. The reason? My brother "Paul", who, when he was little, managed to spill his freaking milk every. single. night. Our kitchen table was one of those that you could extend by pulling out and putting in an extra "leaf" to make it bigger, and the milk would always go right into/through the damn gap in the middle. Mom got sick of it and so we got our milk or whatever after dinner."
>> >
>> > JC77: "My mother had the odd belief that you should be able to chew and swallow your food without ever taking a drink. She must have had higher saliva levels than I do. Most of the time, she didn't make an issue of it, but when she did, I struggled."
>> >
>> >
>> > MY late mother had a similar rule, that I'm pretty sure I've seen MIss Manners advocate as well. That is, no sipping from any beverage until one's mouth was empty. The idea was to promote slow, genteel chewing - and the preventing of choking, of course. It also happened to be a practice within the macrobiotic diet, so the saying was "chew your soup and drink your food."
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Lenona.
>> >
>> I always disliked milk and as a kid would often wait until after the
>> meal a guzzle it down as fast as I could.
>> Beer with pizza and sometime a sandwich
>> Wine with a nice dinner
>> Water is appropriate any time. with any meal.
>
>Room temp H2O! :-)
>
>John Kuthe...

Growing up there was always a large pitcher of ice water on the table,
with a slice of lemon in it to kill the NYC chlorine flavor. NYC
water comes from upstate resevoirs, so would contain living organisms.

Sheldon Martin wrote:
>
> Growing up there was always a large pitcher of ice water on the table,
> with a slice of lemon in it to kill the NYC chlorine flavor. NYC
> water comes from upstate resevoirs, so would contain living organisms.

That lemon didn't eliminate the chlorine just covered it up.
Easy with city water (with chlorine) to let it sit out over
night and let it dissipate. Or you can just boil it then
cool it down in the fridge.

Gary wrote:
....
> That lemon didn't eliminate the chlorine just covered it up.
> Easy with city water (with chlorine) to let it sit out over
> night and let it dissipate. Or you can just boil it then
> cool it down in the fridge.

we were always used to well water without any
stuff added to it at all.

when we visited Grandma in the city her water
tasted sweet to me and i'd drink several glasses
of water when getting there (it was a few hour
drive too).

the well water here has a bit of iron and
calcium in it and not everyone will drink it
but i am ok. it's good and cold.


songbird

On 2020-06-21 11:07 a.m., Gary wrote:
> Sheldon Martin wrote:
>>
>> Growing up there was always a large pitcher of ice water on the table,
>> with a slice of lemon in it to kill the NYC chlorine flavor. NYC
>> water comes from upstate resevoirs, so would contain living organisms.
>
> That lemon didn't eliminate the chlorine just covered it up.
> Easy with city water (with chlorine) to let it sit out over
> night and let it dissipate. Or you can just boil it then
> cool it down in the fridge.
>

Chlorine taste will disappear if you just lest the water sit for a
while. You can boil it, let it sit for a couple hours, or just pour it
back and forth a few times.

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> On 2020-06-21 11:07 a.m., Gary wrote:
> > Sheldon Martin wrote:
> >>
> >> Growing up there was always a large pitcher of ice water on the table,
> >> with a slice of lemon in it to kill the NYC chlorine flavor. NYC
> >> water comes from upstate resevoirs, so would contain living organisms.
> >
> > That lemon didn't eliminate the chlorine just covered it up.
> > Easy with city water (with chlorine) to let it sit out over
> > night and let it dissipate. Or you can just boil it then
> > cool it down in the fridge.
> >
>
> Chlorine taste will disappear if you just lest the water sit for a
> while. You can boil it, let it sit for a couple hours, or just pour it
> back and forth a few times.

One interesting thing I learned once. People that add a Jacuzzi
or
those walk in tubs with jets to massage you....

You'll never hear this in the sales pitch but once you have one
installed, they have a warning sticker on the new units to only
be removed by the customers.

They warn you that if you use chlorinated city water, don't stay
in the tubs for more than a few minutes. Those jets aerate the
water and release all the chlorine and you're relaxing there and
breathing in a high concentration of chlorine gas. Not good
for you.

On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 8:58:22 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
> >
> > On 2020-06-21 11:07 a.m., Gary wrote:
> > > Sheldon Martin wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Growing up there was always a large pitcher of ice water on the table,
> > >> with a slice of lemon in it to kill the NYC chlorine flavor. NYC
> > >> water comes from upstate resevoirs, so would contain living organisms.
> > >
> > > That lemon didn't eliminate the chlorine just covered it up.
> > > Easy with city water (with chlorine) to let it sit out over
> > > night and let it dissipate. Or you can just boil it then
> > > cool it down in the fridge.
> > >
> >
> > Chlorine taste will disappear if you just lest the water sit for a
> > while. You can boil it, let it sit for a couple hours, or just pour it
> > back and forth a few times.
>
> One interesting thing I learned once. People that add a Jacuzzi
> or
> those walk in tubs with jets to massage you....
>
> You'll never hear this in the sales pitch but once you have one
> installed, they have a warning sticker on the new units to only
> be removed by the customers.
>
> They warn you that if you use chlorinated city water, don't stay
> in the tubs for more than a few minutes. Those jets aerate the
> water and release all the chlorine and you're relaxing there and
> breathing in a high concentration of chlorine gas. Not good
> for you.

"They"?

Millions of hot tubs are meant to be kept filled at all times. These
use chlorine or bromine to keep the water from turning green and slimy.
It's entirely up to the owner to regulate the amount of disinfectant
in the tub.

If it were a health hazard, people would be suing hot tub manufacturers
right, left, and center. The industry would dry up and blow away.

Cindy Hamilton

On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 7:58:22 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>
> One interesting thing I learned once. People that add a Jacuzzi
> or
> those walk in tubs with jets to massage you....
>
> You'll never hear this in the sales pitch but once you have one
> installed, they have a warning sticker on the new units to only
> be removed by the customers.
>
Really? No such warning sticker on my walk-in tub I had installed
about 2½ years ago.
>
> They warn you that if you use chlorinated city water, don't stay
> in the tubs for more than a few minutes. Those jets aerate the
> water and release all the chlorine and you're relaxing there and
> breathing in a high concentration of chlorine gas. Not good
> for you.
>
No such sticker on my tub.

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> Gary wrote:
> > They warn you that if you use chlorinated city water, don't stay
> > in the tubs for more than a few minutes. Those jets aerate the
> > water and release all the chlorine and you're relaxing there and
> > breathing in a high concentration of chlorine gas. Not good
> > for you.
>
> "They"?

"They" as in the manufacturers of those things. I didn't
make that up. I've seen the warning sticker on them when
I did a remodeled bathroom a few times.

I suppose it's a disclaimer to protect the company from
a future lawsuit. Those warning stickers say to leave
on and let owner read them and remove.

I'm not going to look it up for you but you can.
Google will show a mention about this concern.

If your outdoor hot tub has water jets, you might
want to read all about it.

" wrote:
>
> On Monday, June 22, 2020 at 7:58:22 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> >
> > One interesting thing I learned once. People that add a Jacuzzi
> > or
> > those walk in tubs with jets to massage you....
> >
> > You'll never hear this in the sales pitch but once you have one
> > installed, they have a warning sticker on the new units to only
> > be removed by the customers.
> >
> Really? No such warning sticker on my walk-in tub I had installed
> about 2½ years ago.
> >
> > They warn you that if you use chlorinated city water, don't stay
> > in the tubs for more than a few minutes. Those jets aerate the
> > water and release all the chlorine and you're relaxing there and
> > breathing in a high concentration of chlorine gas. Not good
> > for you.
> >
> No such sticker on my tub.

Perhaps your installer removed all stickers. They shouldn't have.

BTW - how do you like that walk-in tub? Glad you bought it?
I see the commercials often.

On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 8:26:08 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > Gary wrote:
> > > They warn you that if you use chlorinated city water, don't stay
> > > in the tubs for more than a few minutes. Those jets aerate the
> > > water and release all the chlorine and you're relaxing there and
> > > breathing in a high concentration of chlorine gas. Not good
> > > for you.
> >
> > "They"?
>
> "They" as in the manufacturers of those things. I didn't
> make that up. I've seen the warning sticker on them when
> I did a remodeled bathroom a few times.
>
> I suppose it's a disclaimer to protect the company from
> a future lawsuit. Those warning stickers say to leave
> on and let owner read them and remove.
>
> I'm not going to look it up for you but you can.
> Google will show a mention about this concern.
>
> If your outdoor hot tub has water jets, you might
> want to read all about it.

Or, possibly after 30 years of hot tub ownership, I'll just keep
doing what I'm doing.

Don't forget, ordinary play sand is known to be a carcinogen to the
State of California.

Cindy Hamilton

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> Don't forget, ordinary play sand is known to be a carcinogen to the
> State of California.

Tim Allen: "God Bless America, except for California."

Even ferrets are illegal there.

On Tue, 23 Jun 2020 09:13:42 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> Don't forget, ordinary play sand is known to be a carcinogen to the
>> State of California.
>
>Tim Allen: "God Bless America, except for California."

You're a typical fly-over state man, even though you're on the coast.

On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 2:56:17 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Jun 2020 09:13:42 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
> >Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>
> >> Don't forget, ordinary play sand is known to be a carcinogen to the
> >> State of California.
> >
> >Tim Allen: "God Bless America, except for California."
>
> You're a typical fly-over state man, even though you're on the coast.

It balances out. I'm a typical coastal elite, even though I live in
a flyover state.

Cindy Hamilton

On Tue, 23 Jun 2020 12:36:02 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 2:56:17 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> On Tue, 23 Jun 2020 09:13:42 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>
>> >Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Don't forget, ordinary play sand is known to be a carcinogen to the
>> >> State of California.
>> >
>> >Tim Allen: "God Bless America, except for California."
>>
>> You're a typical fly-over state man, even though you're on the coast.
>
>It balances out. I'm a typical coastal elite, even though I live in
>a flyover state.

At least you live in a university city in a fly-over state, not in
Hicksville Alabama.

On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 8:09:11 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>
> Perhaps your installer removed all stickers. They shouldn't have.
>
Nope, no such sticker. I was there when it was delivered.
>
> BTW - how do you like that walk-in tub? Glad you bought it?
> I see the commercials often.
>
Although I have no trouble accessing a regular tub I love this walk-in
tub. When I remodeled I took into consideration if I should have any
mobility problems years down the road.

Yeah, I see the commercials as well and there is a showroom about 10 miles
north of me with these tubs. I stopped in once just to get a ballpark
figure of a tub. Nope, nada, ain't gonna give out that information, they
MUST come to your house to quote a price. I interpreted that into "MUST
come to my house to talk me into buying a tub." Btw, I'm talking about
a Safe-Step tub.

I have since learned from several people and several forums the lowest,
rock bottom price is $11,000. I had my entire bathroom remodeled for
$12,578 and that included some other small projects around the house.

On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 2:49:05 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>
> At least you live in a university city in a fly-over state, not in
> Hicksville Alabama.
>
Gary doesn't live in Alabama.

On Tue, 23 Jun 2020 14:43:44 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 2:49:05 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>
>> At least you live in a university city in a fly-over state, not in
>> Hicksville Alabama.
>>
>Gary doesn't live in Alabama.

And not in Hicksville either?

On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 4:47:28 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>
> On Tue, 23 Jun 2020 14:43:44 -0700 (PDT), "
> > wrote:
>
> >Gary doesn't live in Alabama.
>
> And not in Hicksville either?
>
He lives in Virginia Beach, Virginia on the east coast of the USA.

https://i.postimg.cc/mDPymBm1/USA-Map.jpg

See the highlighted area on the right of the picture.

On Tue, 23 Jun 2020 15:27:11 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 4:47:28 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 23 Jun 2020 14:43:44 -0700 (PDT), "
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >Gary doesn't live in Alabama.
>>
>> And not in Hicksville either?
>>
>He lives in Virginia Beach, Virginia on the east coast of the USA.
>
>https://i.postimg.cc/mDPymBm1/USA-Map.jpg
>
>See the highlighted area on the right of the picture.

I knew that, although I thought it was further to the south. It's
basically North North Carolina.

On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 5:43:47 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 2:49:05 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> >
> > At least you live in a university city in a fly-over state, not in
> > Hicksville Alabama.
> >
> Gary doesn't live in Alabama.

He was drawing a distinction between the Athens of the Midwest
(Ann Arbor)--where I live--and Hicksville, Alabama.

Although if I had to live in Alabama, I'd choose Huntsville.

Cindy Hamilton

In article >,
says...
>
> On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 8:09:11 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> >
> > Perhaps your installer removed all stickers. They shouldn't have.
> >
> Nope, no such sticker. I was there when it was delivered.
> >
> > BTW - how do you like that walk-in tub? Glad you bought it?
> > I see the commercials often.
> >
> Although I have no trouble accessing a regular tub I love this walk-in
> tub.

Just curious; if you have to get in the emppty tub, close the door
and sit, before you turn on the water...isn't there a nasty time when
it's coming out of the tap either too hot or too cold? How do you get
round that?


Janet UK

On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 10:07:50 AM UTC-4, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
> >
> > On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 8:09:11 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> > >
> > > Perhaps your installer removed all stickers. They shouldn't have.
> > >
> > Nope, no such sticker. I was there when it was delivered.
> > >
> > > BTW - how do you like that walk-in tub? Glad you bought it?
> > > I see the commercials often.
> > >
> > Although I have no trouble accessing a regular tub I love this walk-in
> > tub.
>
> Just curious; if you have to get in the emppty tub, close the door
> and sit, before you turn on the water...isn't there a nasty time when
> it's coming out of the tap either too hot or too cold? How do you get
> round that?

Run the water first with the stopper out until it's a comfortable temperature,
then get in the tub, close the door, and fill the tub.

Cindy Hamilton

In article >,
says...
>
> On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 10:07:50 AM UTC-4, Janet wrote:
> > In article >,
> > says...
> > >
> > > On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 8:09:11 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps your installer removed all stickers. They shouldn't have.
> > > >
> > > Nope, no such sticker. I was there when it was delivered.
> > > >
> > > > BTW - how do you like that walk-in tub? Glad you bought it?
> > > > I see the commercials often.
> > > >
> > > Although I have no trouble accessing a regular tub I love this walk-in
> > > tub.
> >
> > Just curious; if you have to get in the emppty tub, close the door
> > and sit, before you turn on the water...isn't there a nasty time when
> > it's coming out of the tap either too hot or too cold? How do you get
> > round that?
>
> Run the water first with the stopper out until it's a comfortable temperature,
> then get in the tub, close the door, and fill the tub.

Logical as ever ;-) But then when you've finished, you have to sit
there until the tide goes out.

Janet UK

Janet

On Wed, 24 Jun 2020 07:13:14 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 10:07:50 AM UTC-4, Janet wrote:
>> In article >,
>> says...
>> >
>> > On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 8:09:11 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Perhaps your installer removed all stickers. They shouldn't have.
>> > >
>> > Nope, no such sticker. I was there when it was delivered.
>> > >
>> > > BTW - how do you like that walk-in tub? Glad you bought it?
>> > > I see the commercials often.
>> > >
>> > Although I have no trouble accessing a regular tub I love this walk-in
>> > tub.
>>
>> Just curious; if you have to get in the emppty tub, close the door
>> and sit, before you turn on the water...isn't there a nasty time when
>> it's coming out of the tap either too hot or too cold? How do you get
>> round that?
>
>Run the water first with the stopper out until it's a comfortable temperature,
>then get in the tub, close the door, and fill the tub.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

When I shower I do the same, I let the water run until it's a
comfortable temperature, then I get in, takes less than a minute. I
do laundry in hot water, I let the closest sink run for a minute
before turning on the washer.

On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 12:11:13 PM UTC-4, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
> >
> > On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 10:07:50 AM UTC-4, Janet wrote:
> > > In article >,
> > > says...
> > > >
> > > > On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 8:09:11 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Perhaps your installer removed all stickers. They shouldn't have.
> > > > >
> > > > Nope, no such sticker. I was there when it was delivered.
> > > > >
> > > > > BTW - how do you like that walk-in tub? Glad you bought it?
> > > > > I see the commercials often.
> > > > >
> > > > Although I have no trouble accessing a regular tub I love this walk-in
> > > > tub.
> > >
> > > Just curious; if you have to get in the emppty tub, close the door
> > > and sit, before you turn on the water...isn't there a nasty time when
> > > it's coming out of the tap either too hot or too cold? How do you get
> > > round that?
> >
> > Run the water first with the stopper out until it's a comfortable temperature,
> > then get in the tub, close the door, and fill the tub.
>
> Logical as ever ;-) But then when you've finished, you have to sit
> there until the tide goes out.

No argument from me. I don't like tub baths. I've been taking
showers since I was 12 or 13 years old.

Cindy Hamilton

On Wed, 24 Jun 2020 15:07:48 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article >,
says...
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 8:09:11 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>> >
>> > Perhaps your installer removed all stickers. They shouldn't have.
>> >
>> Nope, no such sticker. I was there when it was delivered.
>> >
>> > BTW - how do you like that walk-in tub? Glad you bought it?
>> > I see the commercials often.
>> >
>> Although I have no trouble accessing a regular tub I love this walk-in
>> tub.
>
> Just curious; if you have to get in the emppty tub, close the door
>and sit, before you turn on the water...isn't there a nasty time when
>it's coming out of the tap either too hot or too cold? How do you get
>round that?
>
>
> Janet UK

I have a couple of friends who have walk in tubs - it's not the
getting in, it's the getting out they dislike, having to sit there
while it drains.

On 6/24/2020 12:11 PM, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 10:07:50 AM UTC-4, Janet wrote:
>>> In article >,
>>> says...
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, June 23, 2020 at 8:09:11 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps your installer removed all stickers. They shouldn't have.
>>>>>
>>>> Nope, no such sticker. I was there when it was delivered.
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW - how do you like that walk-in tub? Glad you bought it?
>>>>> I see the commercials often.
>>>>>
>>>> Although I have no trouble accessing a regular tub I love this walk-in
>>>> tub.
>>>
>>> Just curious; if you have to get in the emppty tub, close the door
>>> and sit, before you turn on the water...isn't there a nasty time when
>>> it's coming out of the tap either too hot or too cold? How do you get
>>> round that?
>>
>> Run the water first with the stopper out until it's a comfortable temperature,
>> then get in the tub, close the door, and fill the tub.
>
> Logical as ever ;-) But then when you've finished, you have to sit
> there until the tide goes out.
>
> Janet UK
>
> Janet
>
Some of the tubs have a pump to drain them faster. Fast is 65 to 90
seconds.

About 20 years ago we stayed at a B and B with a Jaccuzi tub. Only time
I was in a tub for a bath is over 60 years. No tubs here, spent extra
for good shower stuff though.

On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 4:49:55 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> Although if I had to live in Alabama, I'd choose Huntsville.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
For the space camp?

I've only been through Huntsville on my way to Birmingham.

On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 9:07:50 AM UTC-5, Janet wrote:
>
> In article >,
> says...
> >
> > Although I have no trouble accessing a regular tub I love this walk-in
> > tub.
>
> Just curious; if you have to get in the emppty tub, close the door
> and sit, before you turn on the water...isn't there a nasty time when
> it's coming out of the tap either too hot or too cold? How do you get
> round that?
>
>
> Janet UK
>
I spray the tub seat and back with scalding hot water before I get in
and close the door. That warm seat feels good on a naked butt, hahahaha.
Mostly though I use the tub as a sit-down shower but do use the water
jets when I've done something super strenuous and know I'll be sore.

It takes 65 gallons of water to fill it completely. Now whether that is
to top of tub, I don't know. But it does take quite a bit to fill it and
you need a good size water heater to accommodate it.

On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 11:11:13 AM UTC-5, Janet wrote:
>
> Logical as ever ;-) But then when you've finished, you have to sit
> there until the tide goes out.
>
> Janet UK
>
My tub drains fairly quickly but you can buy a pump to attach to the drain
that will empty the tub in about 2½ minutes.

On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 12:13:15 PM UTC-5, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>
> I have a couple of friends who have walk in tubs - it's not the
> getting in, it's the getting out they dislike, having to sit there
> while it drains.
>
I take a shower 95% of the time. But if my previous tub had been a slow
drainer I would have opted for the pump to drain this one fast.

On 2020-06-24 12:26 p.m., Sheldon Martin wrote:

>> Run the water first with the stopper out until it's a comfortable temperature,
>> then get in the tub, close the door, and fill the tub.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
> When I shower I do the same, I let the water run until it's a
> comfortable temperature, then I get in, takes less than a minute. I
> do laundry in hot water, I let the closest sink run for a minute
> before turning on the washer.


For a while I used to start work at 6 am, so I learned to shower really
quickly in the morning. I would jump into the shower and turn on the
water cranked over to hot. I would wet the soap enough to start getting
lathered up. By the time I was soaped up the water was hot and I would
adjust it and start rinsing. I usually managed to shower in about a minute.

On 2020-06-24 1:39 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 6/24/2020 12:11 PM, Janet wrote:

> Some of the tubs have a pump to drain them faster.Â* Fast is 65 to 90
> seconds.
>
> About 20 years ago we stayed at a B and B with a Jaccuzi tub.Â* Only time
> I was in a tub for a bath is over 60 years.Â* No tubs here, spent extra
> for good shower stuff though.


Jacuzis are nice once in a while. Once in a while I like to have a bath
and sit in a tub full of hot water. I find it quite therapeutic.

The times I went to Denmark I had a little trouble dealing with their
showers. Hotel rooms typically had a floor that sloped to one side or
corner with a drain at the low point, a very low lip on the floor around
the shower area and a curtain hanging down. On the first day of my
first trip I had a quick shower before meeting my friends for a meal.
There were no hooks on the wall so I tossed my clothes on the floor.
Apparently they were too close the the inadequately enclosed showed
area, and everything got wet. After that I learned to take my clothes
off before going to the washroom to shower.

On Wed, 24 Jun 2020 10:42:41 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 4:49:55 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> Although if I had to live in Alabama, I'd choose Huntsville.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>For the space camp?
>
>I've only been through Huntsville on my way to Birmingham.

I believe I saw something about Huntsville, as the center of the death
penalty, in a documentary. But maybe that was another Huntsville.

On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 1:42:46 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 4:49:55 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > Although if I had to live in Alabama, I'd choose Huntsville.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> >
> For the space camp?

For the jobs. I'm also reliably informed that it has
restaurants that cater to the engineers that work there.
Meat-and-three isn't what I'm looking for.

Cindy Hamilton