That's how they say it in some places in the south ... today I
extracted 15 frames of honey , 5 and 10 each from my two strongest hives
.. The yield was 10 quarts and 10 pints , six of each have chunks of comb
.. I didn't check them frequently enough and there was a *cross-comb mess
in both hives . Both had tons of honey even after I robbed them - and I
didn't mind cutting that comb out of the frames and jarring it , I can
charge a premium for "chunk honey" . At my asking price that's nearly
400 bucks worth of product . The tourist season is on and they're coming
in droves , and this is the kind of stuff they look for ...
*Each box , or "super" has 10 frames for the bees to draw out their
comb , and usually they draw it out straight down the frames . Sometimes
they jump from frame to frame , putting the comb crosswise to the frames
.. Makes harvesting difficult , because you have to cut the frames apart
to extract the honey . And when you cut it , all the sweet goodness runs
out all over the place . It's going to take me a month to find all the
sticky and wipe it down .
--
Snag
Illegitimi non
carborundum

On 7/7/2020 7:36 PM, Snag wrote:
> Â* That's how they say it in some places in the south ... today I
> extracted 15 frames of honey , 5 and 10 each from my two strongest hives
> . The yield was 10 quarts and 10 pints , six of each have chunks of comb
> . I didn't check them frequently enough and there was a *cross-comb mess
> in both hives . Both had tons of honey even after I robbed them - and I
> didn't mind cutting that comb out of the frames and jarring it , I can
> charge a premium for "chunk honey" . At my asking price that's nearly
> 400 bucks worth of product . The tourist season is on and they're coming
> in droves , and this is the kind of stuff they look for ...
> Â* *Each box , or "super" has 10 frames for the bees to draw out their
> comb , and usually they draw it out straight down the frames . Sometimes
> they jump from frame to frame , putting the comb crosswise to the frames
> . Makes harvesting difficult , because you have to cut the frames apart
> to extract the honey . And when you cut it , all the sweet goodness runs
> out all over the place . It's going to take me a month to find all the
> sticky and wipe it down .

Sounds wonderful, Terry! I sure do wish I had a use for honey. I've
got a jar in the pantry dated 2006 and have yet to open it. But I'm
glad you're getting some money from those hives.

Jill

On 7/7/2020 8:06 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 7/7/2020 7:36 PM, Snag wrote:
>> Â*Â* That's how they say it in some places in the south ... today I
>> extracted 15 frames of honey , 5 and 10 each from my two strongest
>> hives . The yield was 10 quarts and 10 pints , six of each have chunks
>> of comb . I didn't check them frequently enough and there was a
>> *cross-comb mess in both hives . Both had tons of honey even after I
>> robbed them - and I didn't mind cutting that comb out of the frames
>> and jarring it , I can charge a premium for "chunk honey" . At my
>> asking price that's nearly 400 bucks worth of product . The tourist
>> season is on and they're coming in droves , and this is the kind of
>> stuff they look for ...
>> Â*Â* *Each box , or "super" has 10 frames for the bees to draw out their
>> comb , and usually they draw it out straight down the frames .
>> Sometimes they jump from frame to frame , putting the comb crosswise
>> to the frames . Makes harvesting difficult , because you have to cut
>> the frames apart to extract the honey . And when you cut it , all the
>> sweet goodness runs out all over the place . It's going to take me a
>> month to find all the sticky and wipe it down .
>
> Sounds wonderful, Terry!Â* I sure do wish I had a use for honey.Â* I've
> got a jar in the pantry dated 2006 and have yet to open it.Â* But I'm
> glad you're getting some money from those hives.
>
> Jill

I like honey but use little. Great on toasted rye bread and butter. If
you eat plain yogurt, drizzle some in. When I was younger and less
concerned with calories I'd just eat a spoonful because it tasted good.

On 2020-07-07 10:02 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 7/7/2020 8:06 PM, jmcquown wrote:

>> Sounds wonderful, Terry!Â* I sure do wish I had a use for honey.Â* I've
>> got a jar in the pantry dated 2006 and have yet to open it.Â* But I'm
>> glad you're getting some money from those hives.
>>
>> Jill
>
> I like honey but use little.Â* Great on toasted rye bread and butter.Â* If
> you eat plain yogurt, drizzle some in.Â* When I was younger and less
> concerned with calories I'd just eat a spoonful because it tasted good.

I go on honey sprees. I had a two pound jar of it that I used up over a
period of a month or so. As soon as I was out I bought another two pond
jar and I have not yet opened it.


It is great on lightly toasted rye and even better on very well
toasted white bread. I have a little problem eating straight yogurt,
but a little drizzle of honey, about 1/4 tsp) makes it quite tasty.

My father in law used to love honey. We would rip off a piece of toast
and put a big spoonful of honey on it. We figured that he ate about
2pounds of honey per week.

On Tuesday, July 7, 2020 at 7:06:29 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
>
> I've
> got a jar in the pantry dated 2006 and have yet to open it. But I'm
> glad you're getting some money from those hives.
>
> Jill
>
The wonderful thing about honey is it never goes bad. If it should get a
bit grainy just put the jar in a pan of very warm to hot water. Presto!
In just a little while you've got smooth honey again.

On Tuesday, July 7, 2020 at 9:12:18 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> It is great on lightly toasted rye and even better on very well
> toasted white bread.
>
Psst! Buttered hot biscuits.

wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 7, 2020 at 9:12:18 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> It is great on lightly toasted rye and even better on very well
>> toasted white bread.
>>
> Psst! Buttered hot biscuits.
>

And corn bread. Just as good as a piece of cake.

On Tuesday, July 7, 2020 at 10:00:46 PM UTC-5, Hank Rogers wrote:
>
> wrote:
> >
> > Psst! Buttered hot biscuits.
> >
>
> And corn bread. Just as good as a piece of cake.
>
I've never eaten honey on cornbread but have molasses several times.

On 2020-07-07 8:20 p.m., wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 7, 2020 at 7:06:29 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> I've
>> got a jar in the pantry dated 2006 and have yet to open it. But I'm
>> glad you're getting some money from those hives.
>>
>> Jill
>>
> The wonderful thing about honey is it never goes bad. If it should get a
> bit grainy just put the jar in a pan of very warm to hot water. Presto!
> In just a little while you've got smooth honey again.
>
Easier to nuke it in the MW.

On 7/7/2020 10:05 PM, wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 7, 2020 at 10:00:46 PM UTC-5, Hank Rogers wrote:
>>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Psst! Buttered hot biscuits.
>>>
>>
>> And corn bread. Just as good as a piece of cake.
>>
> I've never eaten honey on cornbread but have molasses several times.
>

You've missed a treat ... first you slather it with butter , then you
pour on the honey - if it doesn't dribble on your chin (or beard ...)
you didn't put enough on . We've got 2 kinds of honey , fall and
spring/early summer . The fall has a more pronounced flavor and is
darker . The stuff I extracted today has a very light delicate flavor
and is very pale in color . I have no idea what they forage on , but
there's only woods and grass hay fields and clearings full of
wildflowers in the direction they go . There is zero mono-crop farming
here and this is as organic as it gets but I can't label it as such .
--
Snag
Illegitimi non
carborundum

On Tue, 7 Jul 2020 23:42:18 -0500, Snag > wrote:

>On 7/7/2020 10:05 PM, wrote:
>> On Tuesday, July 7, 2020 at 10:00:46 PM UTC-5, Hank Rogers wrote:
>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Psst! Buttered hot biscuits.
>>>>
>>>
>>> And corn bread. Just as good as a piece of cake.
>>>
>> I've never eaten honey on cornbread but have molasses several times.
>>
>
> You've missed a treat ... first you slather it with butter , then you
>pour on the honey - if it doesn't dribble on your chin (or beard ...)
>you didn't put enough on . We've got 2 kinds of honey , fall and
>spring/early summer . The fall has a more pronounced flavor and is
>darker . The stuff I extracted today has a very light delicate flavor
>and is very pale in color . I have no idea what they forage on , but
>there's only woods and grass hay fields and clearings full of
>wildflowers in the direction they go . There is zero mono-crop farming
>here and this is as organic as it gets but I can't label it as such .

Would be cool to mount a tiny camera on a few bees to see where they
go.

On Tuesday, July 7, 2020 at 10:14:02 PM UTC-5, graham wrote:
>
> On 2020-07-07 8:20 p.m., wrote:
> >
> > The wonderful thing about honey is it never goes bad. If it should get a
> > bit grainy just put the jar in a pan of very warm to hot water. Presto!
> > In just a little while you've got smooth honey again.
> >
> Easier to nuke it in the MW.
>
Hmmmmmm, I've never thought of that!

On Tuesday, July 7, 2020 at 11:42:21 PM UTC-5, Snag wrote:
>
> The stuff I extracted today has a very light delicate flavor
> and is very pale in color . I have no idea what they forage on , but
> there's only woods and grass hay fields and clearings full of
> wildflowers in the direction they go . There is zero mono-crop farming
> here and this is as organic as it gets but I can't label it as such .
> --
> Snag
>
If only bees could talk.

)

On 7/7/2020 10:13 PM, graham wrote:
> On 2020-07-07 8:20 p.m., wrote:
>> On Tuesday, July 7, 2020 at 7:06:29 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>> I've
>>> got a jar in the pantry dated 2006 and have yet to open it.Â* But I'm
>>> glad you're getting some money from those hives.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>>
>> The wonderful thing about honey is it never goes bad.Â* If it should get a
>> bit grainy just put the jar in a pan of very warm to hot water.Â* Presto!
>> In just a little while you've got smooth honey again.
>>
> Easier to nuke it in the MW.

SHRIEK !! Never never never nuke honey ! You kill all the microflora
that give it it's unique properties . Many big operations heat their
honey to thin it so it's easier to filter . And filtering takes out all
the microfragments of pollen and the heating kills all the microflora .
I process cold and the only filtration is 4 layers of cheesecloth to
strain out the big stuff like wax fragments and the occasional wing or
leg . But then I'm not running 1000 hives either ...
I also do not treat my hives with chemicals . My bees were bred to be
resistant to Varroa Destructor mites . Apparently those genetics are
dominant in my immediate area because their resistance has remained
unchanged for 6 years now .
--
Snag
Illegitimi non
carborundum

On Tue, 7 Jul 2020 23:55:12 -0500, Snag > wrote:

>On 7/7/2020 10:13 PM, graham wrote:
>>>
>> Easier to nuke it in the MW.
>
> SHRIEK !! Never never never nuke honey ! You kill all the microflora
>that give it it's unique properties . Many big operations heat their
>honey to thin it so it's easier to filter . And filtering takes out all
>the microfragments of pollen and the heating kills all the microflora .
>I process cold and the only filtration is 4 layers of cheesecloth to
>strain out the big stuff like wax fragments and the occasional wing or
>leg . But then I'm not running 1000 hives either ...
> I also do not treat my hives with chemicals . My bees were bred to be
>resistant to Varroa Destructor mites . Apparently those genetics are
>dominant in my immediate area because their resistance has remained
>unchanged for 6 years now .

There's an unexpected laudable hippie element in you.

On Tuesday, July 7, 2020 at 11:59:28 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>
> On Tue, 7 Jul 2020 23:55:12 -0500, Snag > wrote:
>
> > SHRIEK !! Never never never nuke honey ! You kill all the microflora
> >that give it it's unique properties . Many big operations heat their
> >honey to thin it so it's easier to filter . And filtering takes out all
> >the microfragments of pollen and the heating kills all the microflora .
> >I process cold and the only filtration is 4 layers of cheesecloth to
> >strain out the big stuff like wax fragments and the occasional wing or
> >leg . But then I'm not running 1000 hives either ...
> > I also do not treat my hives with chemicals . My bees were bred to be
> >resistant to Varroa Destructor mites . Apparently those genetics are
> >dominant in my immediate area because their resistance has remained
> >unchanged for 6 years now .
>
> There's an unexpected laudable hippie element in you.
>
He's probably processing his honey as beekeepers have always done.

On Tue, 7 Jul 2020 22:39:46 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, July 7, 2020 at 11:59:28 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 7 Jul 2020 23:55:12 -0500, Snag > wrote:
>>
>> > SHRIEK !! Never never never nuke honey ! You kill all the microflora
>> >that give it it's unique properties . Many big operations heat their
>> >honey to thin it so it's easier to filter . And filtering takes out all
>> >the microfragments of pollen and the heating kills all the microflora .
>> >I process cold and the only filtration is 4 layers of cheesecloth to
>> >strain out the big stuff like wax fragments and the occasional wing or
>> >leg . But then I'm not running 1000 hives either ...
>> > I also do not treat my hives with chemicals . My bees were bred to be
>> >resistant to Varroa Destructor mites . Apparently those genetics are
>> >dominant in my immediate area because their resistance has remained
>> >unchanged for 6 years now .
>>
>> There's an unexpected laudable hippie element in you.
>>
>He's probably processing his honey as beekeepers have always done.

Yes, and he doesn't add foam suppressant.

Bruce wrote:
>
> On Tue, 7 Jul 2020 23:42:18 -0500, Snag > wrote:
>
> >On 7/7/2020 10:05 PM, wrote:
> >> On Tuesday, July 7, 2020 at 10:00:46 PM UTC-5, Hank Rogers wrote:
> >>>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Psst! Buttered hot biscuits.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> And corn bread. Just as good as a piece of cake.
> >>>
> >> I've never eaten honey on cornbread but have molasses several times.
> >>
> >
> > You've missed a treat ... first you slather it with butter , then you
> >pour on the honey - if it doesn't dribble on your chin (or beard ...)
> >you didn't put enough on . We've got 2 kinds of honey , fall and
> >spring/early summer . The fall has a more pronounced flavor and is
> >darker . The stuff I extracted today has a very light delicate flavor
> >and is very pale in color . I have no idea what they forage on , but
> >there's only woods and grass hay fields and clearings full of
> >wildflowers in the direction they go . There is zero mono-crop farming
> >here and this is as organic as it gets but I can't label it as such .
>
> Would be cool to mount a tiny camera on a few bees to see where they
> go.

A "bee cam" I love the idea!

" wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, July 7, 2020 at 11:42:21 PM UTC-5, Snag wrote:
> >
> > The stuff I extracted today has a very light delicate flavor
> > and is very pale in color . I have no idea what they forage on , but
> > there's only woods and grass hay fields and clearings full of
> > wildflowers in the direction they go . There is zero mono-crop farming
> > here and this is as organic as it gets but I can't label it as such .
> > --
> > Snag
> >
> If only bees could talk.
>
> )

They probably do. Not until my 4th ferret did I learn much of
their language. Almost silent sounds and lots of gestures.

On Wed, 08 Jul 2020 07:19:22 -0400, Gary wrote:

> A "bee cam" I love the idea!

Of course, a bee could never support the weight of even the smallest
camera.

However, if you could affix a small retro-reflective matrix onto the
upper-rear abdomen, a small fleet of scanning laser arduino co-ordinated
drones might be able to track a bee. Throw in a few heavier camera
platforms and you have the makings of a university-level robotics project.

On 2020-07-07 10:55 p.m., Snag wrote:
> On 7/7/2020 10:13 PM, graham wrote:
>> On 2020-07-07 8:20 p.m., wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, July 7, 2020 at 7:06:29 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I've
>>>> got a jar in the pantry dated 2006 and have yet to open it.Â* But I'm
>>>> glad you're getting some money from those hives.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>>
>>> The wonderful thing about honey is it never goes bad.Â* If it should
>>> get a
>>> bit grainy just put the jar in a pan of very warm to hot water.Â* Presto!
>>> In just a little while you've got smooth honey again.
>>>
>> Easier to nuke it in the MW.
>
> Â*Â* SHRIEK !! Never never never nuke honey ! You kill all the microflora
> that give it it's unique properties . Many big operations heat their
> honey to thin it so it's easier to filter . And filtering takes out all
> the microfragments of pollen and the heating kills all the microflora .
> I process cold and the only filtration is 4 layers of cheesecloth to
> strain out the big stuff like wax fragments and the occasional wing or
> leg . But then I'm not running 1000 hives either ...
> Â* I also do not treat my hives with chemicals . My bees were bred to be
> resistant to Varroa Destructor mites . Apparently those genetics are
> dominant in my immediate area because their resistance has remained
> unchanged for 6 years now .
The way I do it, the temperature doesn't get any higher than the warm
water method. It just saves the bother of heating a pan of water.

On 2020-07-07 10:42 p.m., Snag wrote:
> On 7/7/2020 10:05 PM, wrote:
>> On Tuesday, July 7, 2020 at 10:00:46 PM UTC-5, Hank Rogers wrote:
>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Psst!Â* Buttered hot biscuits.
>>>>
>>>
>>> AndÂ* corn bread. Just as good as a piece of cake.
>>>
>> I've never eaten honey on cornbread but have molasses several times.
>>
>
> Â* You've missed a treat ... first you slather it with butter , then you
> pour on the honey - if it doesn't dribble on your chin (or beard ...)
> you didn't put enough on . We've got 2 kinds of honey , fall and
> spring/early summer . The fall has a more pronounced flavor and is
> darker . The stuff I extracted today has a very light delicate flavor
> and is very pale in color . I have no idea what they forage on , but
> there's only woods and grass hay fields and clearings full of
> wildflowers in the direction they go . There is zero mono-crop farming
> here and this is as organic as it gets but I can't label it as such .

Can you get away without feeding them drugs to keep AFB at bay?

On 7/8/2020 9:57 AM, graham wrote:
> On 2020-07-07 10:42 p.m., Snag wrote:
>> On 7/7/2020 10:05 PM, wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, July 7, 2020 at 10:00:46 PM UTC-5, Hank Rogers wrote:
>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Psst!Â* Buttered hot biscuits.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> AndÂ* corn bread. Just as good as a piece of cake.
>>>>
>>> I've never eaten honey on cornbread but have molasses several times.
>>>
>>
>> Â*Â* You've missed a treat ... first you slather it with butter , then
>> you pour on the honey - if it doesn't dribble on your chin (or beard
>> ...) you didn't put enough on . We've got 2 kinds of honey , fall and
>> spring/early summer . The fall has a more pronounced flavor and is
>> darker . The stuff I extracted today has a very light delicate flavor
>> and is very pale in color . I have no idea what they forage on , but
>> there's only woods and grass hay fields and clearings full of
>> wildflowers in the direction they go . There is zero mono-crop farming
>> here and this is as organic as it gets but I can't label it as such .
>
> Can you get away without feeding them drugs to keep AFB at bay?

Are you referring to foul brood ? I've never had that in my hives nor
have I heard of anyone in our area that has . AFAIK if your hives get
infected you kill the bees and burn the equipment .
--
Snag
Illegitimi non
carborundum

On 7/8/2020 9:56 AM, graham wrote:
> On 2020-07-07 10:55 p.m., Snag wrote:
>> On 7/7/2020 10:13 PM, graham wrote:
>>> On 2020-07-07 8:20 p.m., wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, July 7, 2020 at 7:06:29 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I've
>>>>> got a jar in the pantry dated 2006 and have yet to open it.Â* But I'm
>>>>> glad you're getting some money from those hives.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jill
>>>>>
>>>> The wonderful thing about honey is it never goes bad.Â* If it should
>>>> get a
>>>> bit grainy just put the jar in a pan of very warm to hot water.
>>>> Presto!
>>>> In just a little while you've got smooth honey again.
>>>>
>>> Easier to nuke it in the MW.
>>
>> Â*Â*Â* SHRIEK !! Never never never nuke honey ! You kill all the
>> microflora that give it it's unique properties . Many big operations
>> heat their honey to thin it so it's easier to filter . And filtering
>> takes out all the microfragments of pollen and the heating kills all
>> the microflora . I process cold and the only filtration is 4 layers of
>> cheesecloth to strain out the big stuff like wax fragments and the
>> occasional wing or leg . But then I'm not running 1000 hives either ...
>> Â*Â* I also do not treat my hives with chemicals . My bees were bred to
>> be resistant to Varroa Destructor mites . Apparently those genetics
>> are dominant in my immediate area because their resistance has
>> remained unchanged for 6 years now .
> The way I do it, the temperature doesn't get any higher than the warm
> water method. It just saves the bother of heating a pan of water.

It's not so much the temp as it is the microwave RADIATION .
--
Snag
Illegitimi non
carborundum

On Wednesday, July 8, 2020 at 2:56:35 PM UTC-4, Snag wrote:
> On 7/8/2020 9:56 AM, graham wrote:
> > On 2020-07-07 10:55 p.m., Snag wrote:
> >> On 7/7/2020 10:13 PM, graham wrote:
> >>> On 2020-07-07 8:20 p.m., wrote:
> >>>> On Tuesday, July 7, 2020 at 7:06:29 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I've
> >>>>> got a jar in the pantry dated 2006 and have yet to open it.Â* But I'm
> >>>>> glad you're getting some money from those hives.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jill
> >>>>>
> >>>> The wonderful thing about honey is it never goes bad.Â* If it should
> >>>> get a
> >>>> bit grainy just put the jar in a pan of very warm to hot water.
> >>>> Presto!
> >>>> In just a little while you've got smooth honey again.
> >>>>
> >>> Easier to nuke it in the MW.
> >>
> >> Â*Â*Â* SHRIEK !! Never never never nuke honey ! You kill all the
> >> microflora that give it it's unique properties . Many big operations
> >> heat their honey to thin it so it's easier to filter . And filtering
> >> takes out all the microfragments of pollen and the heating kills all
> >> the microflora . I process cold and the only filtration is 4 layers of
> >> cheesecloth to strain out the big stuff like wax fragments and the
> >> occasional wing or leg . But then I'm not running 1000 hives either ....
> >> Â*Â* I also do not treat my hives with chemicals . My bees were bred to
> >> be resistant to Varroa Destructor mites . Apparently those genetics
> >> are dominant in my immediate area because their resistance has
> >> remained unchanged for 6 years now .
> > The way I do it, the temperature doesn't get any higher than the warm
> > water method. It just saves the bother of heating a pan of water.
>
> It's not so much the temp as it is the microwave RADIATION .

Can you provide a citation for this?

Cindy Hamilton

On 7/7/2020 10:02 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 7/7/2020 8:06 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 7/7/2020 7:36 PM, Snag wrote:
>>> Â*Â* That's how they say it in some places in the south ... today I
>>> extracted 15 frames of honey , 5 and 10 each from my two strongest
>>> hives . The yield was 10 quarts and 10 pints , six of each have
>>> chunks of comb . I didn't check them frequently enough and there was
>>> a *cross-comb mess in both hives . Both had tons of honey even after
>>> I robbed them - and I didn't mind cutting that comb out of the frames
>>> and jarring it , I can charge a premium for "chunk honey" . At my
>>> asking price that's nearly 400 bucks worth of product . The tourist
>>> season is on and they're coming in droves , and this is the kind of
>>> stuff they look for ...
>>> Â*Â* *Each box , or "super" has 10 frames for the bees to draw out
>>> their comb , and usually they draw it out straight down the frames .
>>> Sometimes they jump from frame to frame , putting the comb crosswise
>>> to the frames . Makes harvesting difficult , because you have to cut
>>> the frames apart to extract the honey . And when you cut it , all the
>>> sweet goodness runs out all over the place . It's going to take me a
>>> month to find all the sticky and wipe it down .
>>
>> Sounds wonderful, Terry!Â* I sure do wish I had a use for honey.Â* I've
>> got a jar in the pantry dated 2006 and have yet to open it.Â* But I'm
>> glad you're getting some money from those hives.
>>
>> Jill
>
> I like honey but use little.Â* Great on toasted rye bread and butter.Â* If
> you eat plain yogurt, drizzle some in.Â* When I was younger and less
> concerned with calories I'd just eat a spoonful because it tasted good.

I don't eat yogurt but I've been known to cook with plain yogurt in
place of sour cream from time to time. I used to use honey in hot
tea, back when I drank tea, but that was more than 10 years ago.

Jill

On 7/7/2020 10:20 PM, wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 7, 2020 at 7:06:29 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> I've
>> got a jar in the pantry dated 2006 and have yet to open it. But I'm
>> glad you're getting some money from those hives.
>>
>> Jill
>>
> The wonderful thing about honey is it never goes bad. If it should get a
> bit grainy just put the jar in a pan of very warm to hot water. Presto!
> In just a little while you've got smooth honey again.
>
Yep, I've heard that. You mentioned honey on biscuits elsewhere in this
thread. I just never think about that jar of honey. <shrug>

Jill

wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 7, 2020 at 9:12:18 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> It is great on lightly toasted rye and even better on very well
>> toasted white bread.
>>
> Psst! Buttered hot biscuits.

for sure! my favorite way of having both!


songbird

On Wednesday, July 8, 2020 at 2:56:58 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
>
> On 7/7/2020 10:20 PM, wrote:
> >
> > The wonderful thing about honey is it never goes bad. If it should get a
> > bit grainy just put the jar in a pan of very warm to hot water. Presto!
> > In just a little while you've got smooth honey again.
> >
> Yep, I've heard that. You mentioned honey on biscuits elsewhere in this
> thread. I just never think about that jar of honey. <shrug>
>
> Jill
>
Make your Sunday breakfast this week hot buttered biscuits and honey.

On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 12:39:55 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, July 8, 2020 at 2:56:35 PM UTC-4, Snag wrote:
>> On 7/8/2020 9:56 AM, graham wrote:
>> > On 2020-07-07 10:55 p.m., Snag wrote:
>> >> On 7/7/2020 10:13 PM, graham wrote:
>> >>> On 2020-07-07 8:20 p.m., wrote:
>> >>>> On Tuesday, July 7, 2020 at 7:06:29 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I've
>> >>>>> got a jar in the pantry dated 2006 and have yet to open it.Â* But I'm
>> >>>>> glad you're getting some money from those hives.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Jill
>> >>>>>
>> >>>> The wonderful thing about honey is it never goes bad.Â* If it should
>> >>>> get a
>> >>>> bit grainy just put the jar in a pan of very warm to hot water.
>> >>>> Presto!
>> >>>> In just a little while you've got smooth honey again.
>> >>>>
>> >>> Easier to nuke it in the MW.
>> >>
>> >> Â*Â*Â* SHRIEK !! Never never never nuke honey ! You kill all the
>> >> microflora that give it it's unique properties . Many big operations
>> >> heat their honey to thin it so it's easier to filter . And filtering
>> >> takes out all the microfragments of pollen and the heating kills all
>> >> the microflora . I process cold and the only filtration is 4 layers of
>> >> cheesecloth to strain out the big stuff like wax fragments and the
>> >> occasional wing or leg . But then I'm not running 1000 hives either ...
>> >> Â*Â* I also do not treat my hives with chemicals . My bees were bred to
>> >> be resistant to Varroa Destructor mites . Apparently those genetics
>> >> are dominant in my immediate area because their resistance has
>> >> remained unchanged for 6 years now .
>> > The way I do it, the temperature doesn't get any higher than the warm
>> > water method. It just saves the bother of heating a pan of water.
>>
>> It's not so much the temp as it is the microwave RADIATION .
>
>Can you provide a citation for this?

This is the first one I found:

"The microwave will essentially destroy all of the beneficial enzymes
and properties of the honey. Sure it will return it to a liquid state,
but then you can just consider it not much more than a honey colored
sweetener."
<http://www.lincolnlandbeekeepers.com/uploads/1/0/6/4/10649295/how_to_decrystalize_honey.pdf>

On Wednesday, July 8, 2020 at 4:28:44 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 12:39:55 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, July 8, 2020 at 2:56:35 PM UTC-4, Snag wrote:
> >> On 7/8/2020 9:56 AM, graham wrote:
> >> > On 2020-07-07 10:55 p.m., Snag wrote:
> >> >> On 7/7/2020 10:13 PM, graham wrote:
> >> >>> On 2020-07-07 8:20 p.m., wrote:
> >> >>>> On Tuesday, July 7, 2020 at 7:06:29 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> I've
> >> >>>>> got a jar in the pantry dated 2006 and have yet to open it.Â* But I'm
> >> >>>>> glad you're getting some money from those hives.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Jill
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>> The wonderful thing about honey is it never goes bad.Â* If it should
> >> >>>> get a
> >> >>>> bit grainy just put the jar in a pan of very warm to hot water.
> >> >>>> Presto!
> >> >>>> In just a little while you've got smooth honey again.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>> Easier to nuke it in the MW.
> >> >>
> >> >> Â*Â*Â* SHRIEK !! Never never never nuke honey ! You kill all the
> >> >> microflora that give it it's unique properties . Many big operations
> >> >> heat their honey to thin it so it's easier to filter . And filtering
> >> >> takes out all the microfragments of pollen and the heating kills all
> >> >> the microflora . I process cold and the only filtration is 4 layers of
> >> >> cheesecloth to strain out the big stuff like wax fragments and the
> >> >> occasional wing or leg . But then I'm not running 1000 hives either ...
> >> >> Â*Â* I also do not treat my hives with chemicals . My bees were bred to
> >> >> be resistant to Varroa Destructor mites . Apparently those genetics
> >> >> are dominant in my immediate area because their resistance has
> >> >> remained unchanged for 6 years now .
> >> > The way I do it, the temperature doesn't get any higher than the warm
> >> > water method. It just saves the bother of heating a pan of water.
> >>
> >> It's not so much the temp as it is the microwave RADIATION .
> >
> >Can you provide a citation for this?
>
> This is the first one I found:
>
> "The microwave will essentially destroy all of the beneficial enzymes
> and properties of the honey. Sure it will return it to a liquid state,
> but then you can just consider it not much more than a honey colored
> sweetener."
> <http://www.lincolnlandbeekeepers.com/uploads/1/0/6/4/10649295/how_to_decrystalize_honey.pdf>

Here's a more detailed explanation:

<https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28946234/>

Since I don't like the taste of honey, it's all kind of moot for me.

Cindy Hamilton

On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 13:43:59 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, July 8, 2020 at 4:28:44 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 12:39:55 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Wednesday, July 8, 2020 at 2:56:35 PM UTC-4, Snag wrote:
>> >> On 7/8/2020 9:56 AM, graham wrote:
>> >> > On 2020-07-07 10:55 p.m., Snag wrote:
>> >> >> On 7/7/2020 10:13 PM, graham wrote:
>> >> >>> On 2020-07-07 8:20 p.m., wrote:
>> >> >>>> On Tuesday, July 7, 2020 at 7:06:29 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> I've
>> >> >>>>> got a jar in the pantry dated 2006 and have yet to open it.Â* But I'm
>> >> >>>>> glad you're getting some money from those hives.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Jill
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>> The wonderful thing about honey is it never goes bad.Â* If it should
>> >> >>>> get a
>> >> >>>> bit grainy just put the jar in a pan of very warm to hot water.
>> >> >>>> Presto!
>> >> >>>> In just a little while you've got smooth honey again.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>> Easier to nuke it in the MW.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Â*Â*Â* SHRIEK !! Never never never nuke honey ! You kill all the
>> >> >> microflora that give it it's unique properties . Many big operations
>> >> >> heat their honey to thin it so it's easier to filter . And filtering
>> >> >> takes out all the microfragments of pollen and the heating kills all
>> >> >> the microflora . I process cold and the only filtration is 4 layers of
>> >> >> cheesecloth to strain out the big stuff like wax fragments and the
>> >> >> occasional wing or leg . But then I'm not running 1000 hives either ...
>> >> >> Â*Â* I also do not treat my hives with chemicals . My bees were bred to
>> >> >> be resistant to Varroa Destructor mites . Apparently those genetics
>> >> >> are dominant in my immediate area because their resistance has
>> >> >> remained unchanged for 6 years now .
>> >> > The way I do it, the temperature doesn't get any higher than the warm
>> >> > water method. It just saves the bother of heating a pan of water.
>> >>
>> >> It's not so much the temp as it is the microwave RADIATION .
>> >
>> >Can you provide a citation for this?
>>
>> This is the first one I found:
>>
>> "The microwave will essentially destroy all of the beneficial enzymes
>> and properties of the honey. Sure it will return it to a liquid state,
>> but then you can just consider it not much more than a honey colored
>> sweetener."
>> <http://www.lincolnlandbeekeepers.com/uploads/1/0/6/4/10649295/how_to_decrystalize_honey.pdf>
>
>Here's a more detailed explanation:
>
><https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28946234/>
>
>Since I don't like the taste of honey, it's all kind of moot for me.

I never ask for more info about things that are moot to me

On 2020-07-08 4:11 p.m., songbird wrote:
> wrote:
>> On Tuesday, July 7, 2020 at 9:12:18 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>> It is great on lightly toasted rye and even better on very well
>>> toasted white bread.
>>>
>> Psst! Buttered hot biscuits.
>
> for sure! my favorite way of having both!
>

We have biscuits for brunch at least twice a month. My wife puts out an
array of condiments, usually two types of jam, a marmalade and honey. We
both make sure to have at least one with honey.

Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 13:43:59 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, July 8, 2020 at 4:28:44 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 12:39:55 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, July 8, 2020 at 2:56:35 PM UTC-4, Snag wrote:
>>>>> On 7/8/2020 9:56 AM, graham wrote:
>>>>>> On 2020-07-07 10:55 p.m., Snag wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/7/2020 10:13 PM, graham wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2020-07-07 8:20 p.m., wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 7, 2020 at 7:06:29 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I've
>>>>>>>>>> got a jar in the pantry dated 2006 and have yet to open it.Â* But I'm
>>>>>>>>>> glad you're getting some money from those hives.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The wonderful thing about honey is it never goes bad.Â* If it should
>>>>>>>>> get a
>>>>>>>>> bit grainy just put the jar in a pan of very warm to hot water.
>>>>>>>>> Presto!
>>>>>>>>> In just a little while you've got smooth honey again.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Easier to nuke it in the MW.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Â*Â*Â* SHRIEK !! Never never never nuke honey ! You kill all the
>>>>>>> microflora that give it it's unique properties . Many big operations
>>>>>>> heat their honey to thin it so it's easier to filter . And filtering
>>>>>>> takes out all the microfragments of pollen and the heating kills all
>>>>>>> the microflora . I process cold and the only filtration is 4 layers of
>>>>>>> cheesecloth to strain out the big stuff like wax fragments and the
>>>>>>> occasional wing or leg . But then I'm not running 1000 hives either ...
>>>>>>> Â*Â* I also do not treat my hives with chemicals . My bees were bred to
>>>>>>> be resistant to Varroa Destructor mites . Apparently those genetics
>>>>>>> are dominant in my immediate area because their resistance has
>>>>>>> remained unchanged for 6 years now .
>>>>>> The way I do it, the temperature doesn't get any higher than the warm
>>>>>> water method. It just saves the bother of heating a pan of water.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not so much the temp as it is the microwave RADIATION .
>>>>
>>>> Can you provide a citation for this?
>>>
>>> This is the first one I found:
>>>
>>> "The microwave will essentially destroy all of the beneficial enzymes
>>> and properties of the honey. Sure it will return it to a liquid state,
>>> but then you can just consider it not much more than a honey colored
>>> sweetener."
>>> <http://www.lincolnlandbeekeepers.com/uploads/1/0/6/4/10649295/how_to_decrystalize_honey.pdf>
>>
>> Here's a more detailed explanation:
>>
>> <https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28946234/>
>>
>> Since I don't like the taste of honey, it's all kind of moot for me.
>
> I never ask for more info about things that are moot to me
>

That's right, you only sniff around.

On 2020-07-08 12:55 p.m., Snag wrote:
> On 7/8/2020 9:57 AM, graham wrote:
>> On 2020-07-07 10:42 p.m., Snag wrote:
>>> On 7/7/2020 10:05 PM, wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, July 7, 2020 at 10:00:46 PM UTC-5, Hank Rogers wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Psst!Â* Buttered hot biscuits.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> AndÂ* corn bread. Just as good as a piece of cake.
>>>>>
>>>> I've never eaten honey on cornbread but have molasses several times.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Â*Â* You've missed a treat ... first you slather it with butter , then
>>> you pour on the honey - if it doesn't dribble on your chin (or beard
>>> ...) you didn't put enough on . We've got 2 kinds of honey , fall and
>>> spring/early summer . The fall has a more pronounced flavor and is
>>> darker . The stuff I extracted today has a very light delicate flavor
>>> and is very pale in color . I have no idea what they forage on , but
>>> there's only woods and grass hay fields and clearings full of
>>> wildflowers in the direction they go . There is zero mono-crop
>>> farming here and this is as organic as it gets but I can't label it
>>> as such .
>>
>> Can you get away without feeding them drugs to keep AFB at bay?
>
> Â* Are you referring to foul brood ? I've never had that in my hives nor
> have I heard of anyone in our area that has . AFAIK if your hives get
> infected you kill the bees and burn the equipment .
Yes, Foul Brood.
We used to feed ours a sulfa drug in the Spring (I think) but it's so
long ago that I can't remember if it was to prevent AFB.

On 7/8/2020 4:26 PM, wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 8, 2020 at 2:56:58 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> On 7/7/2020 10:20 PM, wrote:
>>>
>>> The wonderful thing about honey is it never goes bad. If it should get a
>>> bit grainy just put the jar in a pan of very warm to hot water. Presto!
>>> In just a little while you've got smooth honey again.
>>>
>> Yep, I've heard that. You mentioned honey on biscuits elsewhere in this
>> thread. I just never think about that jar of honey. <shrug>
>>
>> Jill
>>
> Make your Sunday breakfast this week hot buttered biscuits and honey.
>
The thing is, I don't have much of a sweet tooth.

Jill

On Wednesday, July 8, 2020 at 7:38:38 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
>
> On 7/8/2020 4:26 PM, wrote:
> >
> > Make your Sunday breakfast this week hot buttered biscuits and honey.
> >
> The thing is, I don't have much of a sweet tooth.
>
> Jill
>
A once a year treat.

On Wednesday, July 8, 2020 at 7:38:38 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
> On 7/8/2020 4:26 PM, wrote:
> > On Wednesday, July 8, 2020 at 2:56:58 PM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
> >>
> >> On 7/7/2020 10:20 PM, wrote:
> >>>
> >>> The wonderful thing about honey is it never goes bad. If it should get a
> >>> bit grainy just put the jar in a pan of very warm to hot water. Presto!
> >>> In just a little while you've got smooth honey again.
> >>>
> >> Yep, I've heard that. You mentioned honey on biscuits elsewhere in this
> >> thread. I just never think about that jar of honey. <shrug>
> >>
> >> Jill
> >>
> > Make your Sunday breakfast this week hot buttered biscuits and honey.
> >
> The thing is, I don't have much of a sweet tooth.
>
> Jill

Like Heath Bars? My English Toffee is way better! Made with cream,Â*butter and sugar! In fact I may just go get a piece! BRB...YUM!! Yep, better than a Heath Bar! :-)

John Kuthe...

"Gary" wrote in message ...

Bruce wrote:
>
> On Tue, 7 Jul 2020 23:42:18 -0500, Snag > wrote:
>
> >On 7/7/2020 10:05 PM, wrote:
> >> On Tuesday, July 7, 2020 at 10:00:46 PM UTC-5, Hank Rogers wrote:
> >>>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Psst! Buttered hot biscuits.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> And corn bread. Just as good as a piece of cake.
> >>>
> >> I've never eaten honey on cornbread but have molasses several times.
> >>
> >
> > You've missed a treat ... first you slather it with butter , then you
> >pour on the honey - if it doesn't dribble on your chin (or beard ...)
> >you didn't put enough on . We've got 2 kinds of honey , fall and
> >spring/early summer . The fall has a more pronounced flavor and is
> >darker . The stuff I extracted today has a very light delicate flavor
> >and is very pale in color . I have no idea what they forage on , but
> >there's only woods and grass hay fields and clearings full of
> >wildflowers in the direction they go . There is zero mono-crop farming
> >here and this is as organic as it gets but I can't label it as such .
>
> Would be cool to mount a tiny camera on a few bees to see where they
> go.

A "bee cam" I love the idea!

====

So do I)) Will you do it, Gary?))

"Gary" wrote in message ...

" wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, July 7, 2020 at 11:42:21 PM UTC-5, Snag wrote:
> >
> > The stuff I extracted today has a very light delicate flavor
> > and is very pale in color . I have no idea what they forage on , but
> > there's only woods and grass hay fields and clearings full of
> > wildflowers in the direction they go . There is zero mono-crop farming
> > here and this is as organic as it gets but I can't label it as such .
> > --
> > Snag
> >
> If only bees could talk.
>
> )

They probably do. Not until my 4th ferret did I learn much of
their language. Almost silent sounds and lots of gestures.

==

)))