John Kuthe wrote:
> I know, but electricity CAN be generated many ways!

My electricity comes from a nuke plant about 60 miles
from here.

They just got approval to start a windmill operation
abour 20 some miles offshore.

John Kuthe wrote:
>
> The "Grandma's Lavender" paint on the front porch is being power washed off this weekend and it's going to be painted Shit Brown:
> https://i.postimg.cc/FHFDw0Wq/Shit-BROWN.jpg

That brown doesn't coorinate with anything on your house.
And why in the world are you going to have the lavender
paint powerwashed off your front porch floor?

All you do is wash it and let dry then paint on a new
color. No need to remove it.

You are a ****ing idiot and a loose cannon. You need a
supervisor. Stop trying to play Mr. Decorator and
Mr. Painter. It's not working.

All your painting posts lately are such a fail and
highly disturbing.

On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 16:52:16 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 10:44:47 PM UTC-5, Hank Rogers wrote:
>> John Kuthe wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 3:50:46 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>> >> John Kuthe wrote:
>> >>> https://i.postimg.cc/W11fZdRb/7-13-2020-Finished.jpg
>> >>
>> >> Funny subject line you have here,
>> >> "FINISHED painting interior of front door!'
>> >>
>> >> You actually painted everything *BUT* the front door
>> >> (and the radiator....don't skip the radiator).
>> >>
>> >> Get back to work, you slacker! ;-D
>> >
>> > I painted the surround and inside of the house. I want to paint the door red. I've seen several red doors in Bel Nor and they look great!
>> >
>> > Have some paint cleaning uop to do first, on the stained glass! Sloppy painting on my part! :-( I will get it cleaned off! I have wire brushes!
>> >
>> > John Kuthe...
>> >
>>
>> Won't wire brushes scratch the stained glass and ruin it?
>
>No the glass of the stained glass is not harmed at all with a wire brush. But a wire brush does clean the finish off the veinage which is made to look like vines.
>
>John Kuthe...

If it's real stained glass the color is in the glass and not painted
on but still it will scratch/dull the surface of the glass... and wire
brushing will damage the soft metal that connects the individual
pieces of glass... better to gently scrape the paint runs with a
razor.

On 2020-07-18 7:25 a.m., Gary wrote:
> John Kuthe wrote:
>> I know, but electricity CAN be generated many ways!
>
> My electricity comes from a nuke plant about 60 miles
> from here.
>
> They just got approval to start a windmill operation
> abour 20 some miles offshore.
>
Most of mine comes from Niagara Falls, and there is a wind farm just to
the west of me.

On Wednesday, July 15, 2020 at 4:50:46 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> John Kuthe wrote:
> > https://i.postimg.cc/W11fZdRb/7-13-2020-Finished.jpg
>
> Funny subject line you have here,
> "FINISHED painting interior of front door!'
>
> You actually painted everything *BUT* the front door
> (and the radiator....don't skip the radiator).
>
> Get back to work, you slacker! ;-D

Gary, hang on to your hat:

I applied polyurethane with a roller this morning.*


*To the back of a cabinet onto some fairly rough plywood.

Cindy Hamilton

On 7/17/2020 5:52 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Friday, July 17, 2020 at 8:12:23 AM UTC-5, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 7/14/2020 5:24 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, July 14, 2020 at 3:56:08 PM UTC-5, wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, July 14, 2020 at 3:46:18 PM UTC-5, John Kuthe wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://i.postimg.cc/W11fZdRb/7-13-2020-Finished.jpg
>>>>>
>>>> What I know about radiators would fill a thimble. But why is there one right
>>>> smack at the front door? And if you've gone 100% electric as you've claimed
>>>> why haven't you removed that space-hogging eyesore??
>>>
>>> This is a 1930 built house. STL used to be a big coal town, in fact this house has a coal chute leading to a coal room! Now it's my workshop.
>>>
>>> I kinda like the little table top right next to the door! And removing it would be work.
>>>
>>> John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist, Suburban Renewalist and Vegetarian
>>>
>> Your electricity is still being generated by COAL, John.
>>
>> Jill
>
> I know, but electricity CAN be generated many ways!
>
> John Kuthe...
>
So why do you keep crowing about electricity? You're not doing anything
new or different. You still rely on coal to generate that electricity
and you're certainly not changing the world. No amount of typing in
CAPS will change it.

Jill

On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 wrote:
>On Friday, July 17, 2020 John Kuthe wrote:
>>
>> I see the coal cars on the trains, I'm not stupid! We still do a LOT of STUPID 19th Century things!
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>>
>Why didn't you install solar panels on your roof? You could have generated
>your own electricity and probably sold some back to your local power company.

I doubt his roof has enough area at the correct exposure for solar
panels to produce much. Where I live a lot of people place the solar
panels in their yard on posts that are cemented into the ground so
they're up off the ground so they can mow around them and so they can
brush the snow off. They don't like to place them on their roof as
they will cause the roof to leak... I doubt it would work well on that
tile roof anyway, they'd have to drill a lot of bolt holes.

I thought about installing solar panels here and even had a company do
a survey. I have several acres they could use but I didn't want to
look at those ugly panels and there would be a lot of mowing and snow
removal. Plus more than half the time they'd produce no elctricity,
they produce nothing at night or on cloudy days. Once installed I'd
be responsible for their maintenence and repairs. The panels are
mostly made of plastic, UV light wreaks havoc on those panels so they
don't last long. Solar panels are okay for a few small light bulbs
but would need a lot of panels to run A/C, an electric stove, a
clothes dryer, a fridge/freezer, charge an electric car, fergetabout
it. Solar power is a long way into the future. Solar is good for
powering small electronics, like a calculator, a medical thermometer,
a toothbrush, a clock. The main drawback to solar is transmission.

On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 07:55:52 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>John Kuthe wrote:
>>
>> The "Grandma's Lavender" paint on the front porch is being power washed off this weekend and it's going to be painted Shit Brown:
>> https://i.postimg.cc/FHFDw0Wq/Shit-BROWN.jpg
>
>That brown doesn't coorinate with anything on your house.
>And why in the world are you going to have the lavender
>paint powerwashed off your front porch floor?
>
>All you do is wash it and let dry then paint on a new
>color. No need to remove it.
>
>You are a ****ing idiot and a loose cannon. You need a
>supervisor. Stop trying to play Mr. Decorator and
>Mr. Painter. It's not working.
>
>All your painting posts lately are such a fail and
>highly disturbing.

He want to give up a brand new base coat.

On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 9:57:28 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>
> On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 wrote:
> >
> >Why didn't you install solar panels on your roof? You could have generated
> >your own electricity and probably sold some back to your local power company.
>
> I doubt his roof has enough area at the correct exposure for solar
> panels to produce much.
>
It would depend on the direction his house faces. He's got enough roof
surface he could have several panels plus his garage roof would accomodate
more panels.


> Where I live a lot of people place the solar
> panels in their yard on posts that are cemented into the ground so
> they're up off the ground so they can mow around them and so they can
> brush the snow off. They don't like to place them on their roof as
> they will cause the roof to leak.
>
Properly installed solar panels do not cause leaks. There are some
available that actually open like ladies handheld fan but these open
a full 360° and are mounted on a post. But these are quite expen$ive.
>
> I doubt it would work well on that
> tile roof anyway, they'd have to drill a lot of bolt holes.
>
He was needing a new roof anyway. He could have replaced it with longlife
asphalt shingles and the money he saved on the roofing could have been used
for solar panels.
>
> I thought about installing solar panels here and even had a company do
> a survey. I have several acres they could use but I didn't want to
> look at those ugly panels and there would be a lot of mowing and snow
> removal. Plus more than half the time they'd produce no elctricity,
> they produce nothing at night or on cloudy days.
>
That's why you stay on the electric company's grid to provide you with power
on days with extended cloudiness, snow, or rain.
>
> Once installed I'd
> be responsible for their maintenence and repairs.
>
Just like you are responsible for maintenance on your house and vehicles.
>
> The panels are
> mostly made of plastic, UV light wreaks havoc on those panels so they
> don't last long.
>
That, I don't know. But I don't hear people complaining about replacing
those panels all the time.
>
> Solar panels are okay for a few small light bulbs
> but would need a lot of panels to run A/C, an electric stove, a
> clothes dryer, a fridge/freezer, charge an electric car, fergetabout
> it.
>
Not true. Depending on how many panels you have installed they can power
a large house.
>
> Solar power is a long way into the future. Solar is good for
> powering small electronics, like a calculator, a medical thermometer,
> a toothbrush, a clock. The main drawback to solar is transmission.
>
Again, not true. The one thing that holds people back from installing
the panels is the initial cost.

On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 11:22:43 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>> I thought about installing solar panels here and even had a company do
>> a survey. I have several acres they could use but I didn't want to
>> look at those ugly panels and there would be a lot of mowing and snow
>> removal. Plus more than half the time they'd produce no elctricity,
>> they produce nothing at night or on cloudy days.
>>
>That's why you stay on the electric company's grid to provide you with power
>on days with extended cloudiness, snow, or rain.

Are there still no efficient, affordable batteries that can hold power
during those bad weather days? It's taking forever.

>> The panels are mostly made of plastic, UV light wreaks havoc on those panels so they
>> don't last long.
>>
>That, I don't know. But I don't hear people complaining about replacing
>those panels all the time.

Half of Australia seems to have solar panels. I rarely hear of people
having problems with them. Sheldon is stuck half a century ago, as
usual.

>> Solar panels are okay for a few small light bulbs
>> but would need a lot of panels to run A/C, an electric stove, a
>> clothes dryer, a fridge/freezer, charge an electric car, fergetabout
>> it.
>>
>Not true. Depending on how many panels you have installed they can power
>a large house.

Absolutely. Sheldon talks out of the wrong orifice again.

>> Solar power is a long way into the future. Solar is good for
>> powering small electronics, like a calculator, a medical thermometer,
>> a toothbrush, a clock. The main drawback to solar is transmission.
>>
>Again, not true. The one thing that holds people back from installing
>the panels is the initial cost.

Yes. We only have a panel that provides us with hot water.

On 7/18/20 8:56 AM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 wrote:
>> On Friday, July 17, 2020 John Kuthe wrote:
>>>
>>> I see the coal cars on the trains, I'm not stupid! We still do a LOT of STUPID 19th Century things!
>>>
>>> John Kuthe...
>>>
>> Why didn't you install solar panels on your roof? You could have generated
>> your own electricity and probably sold some back to your local power company.
>
> I doubt his roof has enough area at the correct exposure for solar
> panels to produce much. Where I live a lot of people place the solar
> panels in their yard on posts that are cemented into the ground so
> they're up off the ground so they can mow around them and so they can
> brush the snow off. They don't like to place them on their roof as
> they will cause the roof to leak... I doubt it would work well on that
> tile roof anyway, they'd have to drill a lot of bolt holes.
>
> I thought about installing solar panels here and even had a company do
> a survey. I have several acres they could use but I didn't want to
> look at those ugly panels and there would be a lot of mowing and snow
> removal.
Very inaccurate bullshit snipped.

You are absolutely 100% correct about adding solar panels to ones roof.
It is something Kuthe might do though since he is restoring a tile roof.
He could now go back and drill a lot of holes and install some panels or
maybe add some skylights.

I see acres of solar arrays in areas that I travel. They are NOT a
thing of the future. Guarantee you they are not only powering small
calculators and toothbrushes. Same for wind turbines. You may not see
many around your house though. Transmission lines have been here on this
earth for a long time and they can transmit energy regardless of source
of such energy.

On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 6:13:22 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 6:01:38 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> > > John Kuthe wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I painted the surround and inside of the house. I want to paint the door red. I've seen several red doors in Bel Nor and they look great!
> > >
> > > You need to consider your color combination.
> > > A red door surrounded by that nice blue sounds bad.
> > > You need some white to go with that blue, imo.
> >
> > Don't forget the look of the exterior of the red door up against
> > the "Grandma lavender" porch.
>
> Yeah, that lavender porch floor was a bad choice.
> At least you can't notice it from the street.

That lavender paint on the front porch is being power washed off as I type!

And I have two gallons of Shit Brown to be painted on the power washed porch surface!

John Kuthe...

On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 13:12:41 -0600, jay > wrote:

>On 7/18/20 8:56 AM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
>>
>> I doubt his roof has enough area at the correct exposure for solar
>> panels to produce much. Where I live a lot of people place the solar
>> panels in their yard on posts that are cemented into the ground so
>> they're up off the ground so they can mow around them and so they can
>> brush the snow off. They don't like to place them on their roof as
>> they will cause the roof to leak... I doubt it would work well on that
>> tile roof anyway, they'd have to drill a lot of bolt holes.
>>
>> I thought about installing solar panels here and even had a company do
>> a survey. I have several acres they could use but I didn't want to
>> look at those ugly panels and there would be a lot of mowing and snow
>> removal.
>Very inaccurate bullshit snipped.
>
>You are absolutely 100% correct about adding solar panels to ones roof.
>It is something Kuthe might do though since he is restoring a tile roof.
>He could now go back and drill a lot of holes and install some panels or
>maybe add some skylights.
>
>I see acres of solar arrays in areas that I travel. They are NOT a
>thing of the future. Guarantee you they are not only powering small
>calculators and toothbrushes. Same for wind turbines. You may not see
>many around your house though. Transmission lines have been here on this
>earth for a long time and they can transmit energy regardless of source
>of such energy.

Jay! I mean, Yay!

On 7/18/2020 2:22 PM, wrote:
> On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 9:57:28 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 wrote:
>>>
>>> Why didn't you install solar panels on your roof? You could have generated
>>> your own electricity and probably sold some back to your local power company.
>>
>> I doubt his roof has enough area at the correct exposure for solar
>> panels to produce much.
>>
> It would depend on the direction his house faces. He's got enough roof
> surface he could have several panels plus his garage roof would accomodate
> more panels.
>
>
>> Where I live a lot of people place the solar
>> panels in their yard on posts that are cemented into the ground so
>> they're up off the ground so they can mow around them and so they can
>> brush the snow off. They don't like to place them on their roof as
>> they will cause the roof to leak.
>>
> Properly installed solar panels do not cause leaks. There are some
> available that actually open like ladies handheld fan but these open
> a full 360° and are mounted on a post. But these are quite expen$ive.
>>
>> I doubt it would work well on that
>> tile roof anyway, they'd have to drill a lot of bolt holes.
>>
> He was needing a new roof anyway. He could have replaced it with longlife
> asphalt shingles and the money he saved on the roofing could have been used
> for solar panels.

Doubt his roof was a good candidate for solar panels. They are best on
the side of a typical A frame styles, especially if south facing.
John's roof is four sided and each side has a dormer taking up some of
the space and shading one side. Variation of a hip roof.

Garage roof may be a better option, or even back yard if allowed.

On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 11:22:43 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 9:57:28 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 wrote:
>> >
>> >Why didn't you install solar panels on your roof? You could have generated
>> >your own electricity and probably sold some back to your local power company.
>>
>> I doubt his roof has enough area at the correct exposure for solar
>> panels to produce much.
>>
>It would depend on the direction his house faces. He's got enough roof
>surface he could have several panels plus his garage roof would accomodate
>more panels.
>
>
>> Where I live a lot of people place the solar
>> panels in their yard on posts that are cemented into the ground so
>> they're up off the ground so they can mow around them and so they can
>> brush the snow off. They don't like to place them on their roof as
>> they will cause the roof to leak.
>>
>Properly installed solar panels do not cause leaks. There are some
>available that actually open like ladies handheld fan but these open
>a full 360° and are mounted on a post. But these are quite expen$ive.
>>
>> I doubt it would work well on that
>> tile roof anyway, they'd have to drill a lot of bolt holes.
>>
>He was needing a new roof anyway. He could have replaced it with longlife
>asphalt shingles and the money he saved on the roofing could have been used
>for solar panels.
>>
>> I thought about installing solar panels here and even had a company do
>> a survey. I have several acres they could use but I didn't want to
>> look at those ugly panels and there would be a lot of mowing and snow
>> removal. Plus more than half the time they'd produce no elctricity,
>> they produce nothing at night or on cloudy days.
>>
>That's why you stay on the electric company's grid to provide you with power
>on days with extended cloudiness, snow, or rain.
>>
>> Once installed I'd
>> be responsible for their maintenence and repairs.
>>
>Just like you are responsible for maintenance on your house and vehicles.
>>
>> The panels are
>> mostly made of plastic, UV light wreaks havoc on those panels so they
>> don't last long.
>>
>That, I don't know. But I don't hear people complaining about replacing
>those panels all the time.
>>
>> Solar panels are okay for a few small light bulbs
>> but would need a lot of panels to run A/C, an electric stove, a
>> clothes dryer, a fridge/freezer, charge an electric car, fergetabout
>> it.
>>
>Not true. Depending on how many panels you have installed they can power
>a large house.
>>
>> Solar power is a long way into the future. Solar is good for
>> powering small electronics, like a calculator, a medical thermometer,
>> a toothbrush, a clock. The main drawback to solar is transmission.
>>
>Again, not true. The one thing that holds people back from installing
>the panels is the initial cost.

Those with the money for the installation are typically too old to get
the payback... for me at my age it would be like kootchie at his age
spending more on a roof than his entire house cost. When they did the
survey they quoted me a price for the panels and installation of
$240,000. If we live to be 100 our electric bills won't equal that.
There are better ways to keep one's electric usage low. I've been
frugal with electric all my life, I don't turn on lights on a sunny
day, I open the shades and I automatically turn off lights when I
leave a room. And recently we changed all our lighting to LED, cut
our electric bill to less than half, especially with all outside
lighting LED on at dusk off at dawn fixtures... those lights last a
long time (15-20 years) could easily outlive us, no bulbs to buy and
no climbing ladders to change bulbs. We have all the creature
comforts, more than most... four TVs, two refrigerator freezers, two
cars, all the food we can eat. We're simply not wasteful. We gave up
eating at restaurants, they are all way over priced and their quality
is the lowest possible. I have no problem doing all our cooking.
Makes us ill speding over $100 on a restaurant dinner for two and
leaving very disappointed and hungry, even the service stinks, what
service, there is none. And restaurants are especially rip offs on
bar drinks. Their salads are wilted greens out of those plastic bags.
It reached the point that we couldn't find anything on their menus
that we wanted to eat that I couldn't prepare at home for half the
price or less and of far better quality. For dinner yesterday I made
center cut pork loin chops on the bone, thick cut 1 1/4", seasoned
with fresh ground white pepper, fresh ginger, soy sauce, toasted
sesame seed oil, pan fried. Then in the same pan stir fried slivered
garlic and a big mess of Swiss chard fresh from our garden. We
couldn't finish those huge pork chops so we have half for tonight with
a bigger batch of Swiss chard. When we decide on beef steak I'll make
a quick trip into town and ask the same butcher at Tops whats good, he
never fails to produce high quality steaks, much better than any
so-called fancy schmancy steak house... it's no big deal to cook
steak... probably one of the simplest foods to prepare. And for 1/3
the price of a fancy schmancy steak house. And I never minded pouring
our own booze. My wife has her Belizean rum and coke and I have my
Crystal Palace and sugar free Sprite with a big lemon wedge. The same
butcher prepares our pork chops, also extremely easy to cook. Lately
I prefer pan frying rather than on the outside grill. We're not in
the least concerned about grill marks. I prefer to pan fry meat and
then to immediately stir fry the veggies in the same pan, much more
flavor. The veggie garden is now producing full tilt, yellow and
green summer squash, Kirby Cukes up the kazoo, mixed salad greens, and
tons of Swiss chard... soon tomatoes and peppers... already melons and
pumpkins are set, we have people to gift with ovearge. We grow
pumpkins for decor.

On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 2:57:24 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 7/18/2020 2:22 PM, wrote:
> > On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 9:57:28 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
> >>
> >> On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Why didn't you install solar panels on your roof? You could have generated
> >>> your own electricity and probably sold some back to your local power company.
> >>
> >> I doubt his roof has enough area at the correct exposure for solar
> >> panels to produce much.
> >>
> > It would depend on the direction his house faces. He's got enough roof
> > surface he could have several panels plus his garage roof would accomodate
> > more panels.
> >
> >
> >> Where I live a lot of people place the solar
> >> panels in their yard on posts that are cemented into the ground so
> >> they're up off the ground so they can mow around them and so they can
> >> brush the snow off. They don't like to place them on their roof as
> >> they will cause the roof to leak.
> >>
> > Properly installed solar panels do not cause leaks. There are some
> > available that actually open like ladies handheld fan but these open
> > a full 360° and are mounted on a post. But these are quite expen$ive.
> >>
> >> I doubt it would work well on that
> >> tile roof anyway, they'd have to drill a lot of bolt holes.
> >>
> > He was needing a new roof anyway. He could have replaced it with longlife
> > asphalt shingles and the money he saved on the roofing could have been used
> > for solar panels.
>
> Doubt his roof was a good candidate for solar panels. They are best on
> the side of a typical A frame styles, especially if south facing.
> John's roof is four sided and each side has a dormer taking up some of
> the space and shading one side. Variation of a hip roof.
>
> Garage roof may be a better option, or even back yard if allowed.

3 car detached garage roof is unobstructed sun every morning. Not so much in the evenings.

John Kuthe...

On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 2:57:24 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> On 7/18/2020 2:22 PM, wrote:
> >
> > He was needing a new roof anyway. He could have replaced it with longlife
> > asphalt shingles and the money he saved on the roofing could have been used
> > for solar panels.
>
> Doubt his roof was a good candidate for solar panels. They are best on
> the side of a typical A frame styles, especially if south facing.
> John's roof is four sided and each side has a dormer taking up some of
> the space and shading one side. Variation of a hip roof.
>
That's when the solar power company would come out and say yay or nay
for panels for his roof.
>
> Garage roof may be a better option, or even back yard if allowed.
>
The ones I've seen for backyards are quite large and he would need a
good size lot to accommodate them. Then there is the danger he'd run
into them with his car as he did his house.

On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 16:22:06 -0400, Sheldon Martin >
wrote:

>Those with the money for the installation are typically too old to get
>the payback... for me at my age it would be like kootchie at his age
>spending more on a roof than his entire house cost. When they did the
>survey they quoted me a price for the panels and installation of
>$240,000.

That's insane. Maybe they thought you wanted solar for a whole
village.

<snip waffle about how great he is>

On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 3:22:12 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>
> On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 11:22:43 -0700 (PDT), "
> > wrote:
>
> The one thing that holds people back from installing
> >the panels is the initial cost.
>
> Those with the money for the installation are typically too old to get
> the payback... for me at my age it would be like kootchie at his age
> spending more on a roof than his entire house cost. When they did the
> survey they quoted me a price for the panels and installation of
> $240,000. If we live to be 100 our electric bills won't equal that.
>
That quote seems outrageous. But I don't know how many panels they were
recommending either.
>
>
> There are better ways to keep one's electric usage low. I've been
> frugal with electric all my life, I don't turn on lights on a sunny
> day, I open the shades and I automatically turn off lights when I
> leave a room. And recently we changed all our lighting to LED, cut
> our electric bill to less than half, especially with all outside
> lighting LED on at dusk off at dawn fixtures... those lights last a
> long time (15-20 years) could easily outlive us, no bulbs to buy and
> no climbing ladders to change bulbs.
>
Yes, I only use lights when needed and that's generally in the evening.
I've had those twirly fluorescent bulbs in all my fixtures for years.
As they've begun to burn out they've been replaced with the newer
LED bulbs.

On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 3:30:46 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>
> On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 16:22:06 -0400, Sheldon Martin >
> wrote:
>
> >Those with the money for the installation are typically too old to get
> >the payback... for me at my age it would be like kootchie at his age
> >spending more on a roof than his entire house cost. When they did the
> >survey they quoted me a price for the panels and installation of
> >$240,000.
>
> That's insane. Maybe they thought you wanted solar for a whole
> village.
>
It did seem way off the mark to me, too.

I saw a new type on a home improvement type show a few months ago. It
looks like a giant patio umbrella for the lack of a better explanation.
It was H.U.G.E. and I do mean BIIIIIG and it was $30,000, U.S. dollars.
Somehow I vaguely remember them saying it was like a sunflower and it
turns and follows the suns path. Then again I may have just dreamed
that part.

On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 13:41:43 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 3:30:46 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 16:22:06 -0400, Sheldon Martin >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Those with the money for the installation are typically too old to get
>> >the payback... for me at my age it would be like kootchie at his age
>> >spending more on a roof than his entire house cost. When they did the
>> >survey they quoted me a price for the panels and installation of
>> >$240,000.
>>
>> That's insane. Maybe they thought you wanted solar for a whole
>> village.
>>
>It did seem way off the mark to me, too.
>
>I saw a new type on a home improvement type show a few months ago. It
>looks like a giant patio umbrella for the lack of a better explanation.
>It was H.U.G.E. and I do mean BIIIIIG and it was $30,000, U.S. dollars.
>Somehow I vaguely remember them saying it was like a sunflower and it
>turns and follows the suns path. Then again I may have just dreamed
>that part.

You can probably get solar panels for a 4 person family for half of
that.

Bruce wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 11:22:43 -0700 (PDT), "
> > wrote:
>
>>> I thought about installing solar panels here and even had a company do
>>> a survey. I have several acres they could use but I didn't want to
>>> look at those ugly panels and there would be a lot of mowing and snow
>>> removal. Plus more than half the time they'd produce no elctricity,
>>> they produce nothing at night or on cloudy days.
>>>
>> That's why you stay on the electric company's grid to provide you with power
>> on days with extended cloudiness, snow, or rain.
>
> Are there still no efficient, affordable batteries that can hold power
> during those bad weather days? It's taking forever.
>
>>> The panels are mostly made of plastic, UV light wreaks havoc on those panels so they
>>> don't last long.
>>>
>> That, I don't know. But I don't hear people complaining about replacing
>> those panels all the time.
>
> Half of Australia seems to have solar panels. I rarely hear of people
> having problems with them. Sheldon is stuck half a century ago, as
> usual.
>
>>> Solar panels are okay for a few small light bulbs
>>> but would need a lot of panels to run A/C, an electric stove, a
>>> clothes dryer, a fridge/freezer, charge an electric car, fergetabout
>>> it.
>>>
>> Not true. Depending on how many panels you have installed they can power
>> a large house.
>
> Absolutely. Sheldon talks out of the wrong orifice again.
>

Druce, why not let Popeye sniff yoose for a change?

Never know, he might even lick yoose a little.

Sheldon Martin wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 11:22:43 -0700 (PDT), "
> > wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 9:57:28 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>>>
>>> On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Why didn't you install solar panels on your roof? You could have generated
>>>> your own electricity and probably sold some back to your local power company.
>>>
>>> I doubt his roof has enough area at the correct exposure for solar
>>> panels to produce much.
>>>
>> It would depend on the direction his house faces. He's got enough roof
>> surface he could have several panels plus his garage roof would accomodate
>> more panels.
>>
>>
>>> Where I live a lot of people place the solar
>>> panels in their yard on posts that are cemented into the ground so
>>> they're up off the ground so they can mow around them and so they can
>>> brush the snow off. They don't like to place them on their roof as
>>> they will cause the roof to leak.
>>>
>> Properly installed solar panels do not cause leaks. There are some
>> available that actually open like ladies handheld fan but these open
>> a full 360° and are mounted on a post. But these are quite expen$ive.
>>>
>>> I doubt it would work well on that
>>> tile roof anyway, they'd have to drill a lot of bolt holes.
>>>
>> He was needing a new roof anyway. He could have replaced it with longlife
>> asphalt shingles and the money he saved on the roofing could have been used
>> for solar panels.
>>>
>>> I thought about installing solar panels here and even had a company do
>>> a survey. I have several acres they could use but I didn't want to
>>> look at those ugly panels and there would be a lot of mowing and snow
>>> removal. Plus more than half the time they'd produce no elctricity,
>>> they produce nothing at night or on cloudy days.
>>>
>> That's why you stay on the electric company's grid to provide you with power
>> on days with extended cloudiness, snow, or rain.
>>>
>>> Once installed I'd
>>> be responsible for their maintenence and repairs.
>>>
>> Just like you are responsible for maintenance on your house and vehicles.
>>>
>>> The panels are
>>> mostly made of plastic, UV light wreaks havoc on those panels so they
>>> don't last long.
>>>
>> That, I don't know. But I don't hear people complaining about replacing
>> those panels all the time.
>>>
>>> Solar panels are okay for a few small light bulbs
>>> but would need a lot of panels to run A/C, an electric stove, a
>>> clothes dryer, a fridge/freezer, charge an electric car, fergetabout
>>> it.
>>>
>> Not true. Depending on how many panels you have installed they can power
>> a large house.
>>>
>>> Solar power is a long way into the future. Solar is good for
>>> powering small electronics, like a calculator, a medical thermometer,
>>> a toothbrush, a clock. The main drawback to solar is transmission.
>>>
>> Again, not true. The one thing that holds people back from installing
>> the panels is the initial cost.
>
> Those with the money for the installation are typically too old to get
> the payback... for me at my age it would be like kootchie at his age
> spending more on a roof than his entire house cost. When they did the
> survey they quoted me a price for the panels and installation of
> $240,000. If we live to be 100 our electric bills won't equal that.
> There are better ways to keep one's electric usage low. I've been
> frugal with electric all my life, I don't turn on lights on a sunny
> day, I open the shades and I automatically turn off lights when I
> leave a room. And recently we changed all our lighting to LED, cut
> our electric bill to less than half, especially with all outside
> lighting LED on at dusk off at dawn fixtures... those lights last a
> long time (15-20 years) could easily outlive us, no bulbs to buy and
> no climbing ladders to change bulbs. We have all the creature
> comforts, more than most... four TVs, two refrigerator freezers, two
> cars, all the food we can eat. We're simply not wasteful. We gave up
> eating at restaurants, they are all way over priced and their quality
> is the lowest possible. I have no problem doing all our cooking.
> Makes us ill speding over $100 on a restaurant dinner for two and
> leaving very disappointed and hungry, even the service stinks, what
> service, there is none. And restaurants are especially rip offs on
> bar drinks. Their salads are wilted greens out of those plastic bags.
> It reached the point that we couldn't find anything on their menus
> that we wanted to eat that I couldn't prepare at home for half the
> price or less and of far better quality. For dinner yesterday I made
> center cut pork loin chops on the bone, thick cut 1 1/4", seasoned
> with fresh ground white pepper, fresh ginger, soy sauce, toasted
> sesame seed oil, pan fried. Then in the same pan stir fried slivered
> garlic and a big mess of Swiss chard fresh from our garden. We
> couldn't finish those huge pork chops so we have half for tonight with
> a bigger batch of Swiss chard. When we decide on beef steak I'll make
> a quick trip into town and ask the same butcher at Tops whats good, he
> never fails to produce high quality steaks, much better than any
> so-called fancy schmancy steak house... it's no big deal to cook
> steak... probably one of the simplest foods to prepare. And for 1/3
> the price of a fancy schmancy steak house. And I never minded pouring
> our own booze. My wife has her Belizean rum and coke and I have my
> Crystal Palace and sugar free Sprite with a big lemon wedge. The same
> butcher prepares our pork chops, also extremely easy to cook. Lately
> I prefer pan frying rather than on the outside grill. We're not in
> the least concerned about grill marks. I prefer to pan fry meat and
> then to immediately stir fry the veggies in the same pan, much more
> flavor. The veggie garden is now producing full tilt, yellow and
> green summer squash, Kirby Cukes up the kazoo, mixed salad greens, and
> tons of Swiss chard... soon tomatoes and peppers... already melons and
> pumpkins are set, we have people to gift with ovearge. We grow
> pumpkins for decor.
>

Popeye Yoose sure like to type.

On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 1:25:11 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> John Kuthe wrote:
> > I know, but electricity CAN be generated many ways!
>
> My electricity comes from a nuke plant about 60 miles
> from here.
>
> They just got approval to start a windmill operation
> abour 20 some miles offshore.

You should expect to see electric trucks and SUVs with 400 to 500 mile range in a few years. How much would it cost to charge such monsters? About 24 bucks. On this rock, about twice that.

On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 9:12:46 AM UTC-10, jay wrote:
> On 7/18/20 8:56 AM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
> > On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 wrote:
> >> On Friday, July 17, 2020 John Kuthe wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I see the coal cars on the trains, I'm not stupid! We still do a LOT of STUPID 19th Century things!
> >>>
> >>> John Kuthe...
> >>>
> >> Why didn't you install solar panels on your roof? You could have generated
> >> your own electricity and probably sold some back to your local power company.
> >
> > I doubt his roof has enough area at the correct exposure for solar
> > panels to produce much. Where I live a lot of people place the solar
> > panels in their yard on posts that are cemented into the ground so
> > they're up off the ground so they can mow around them and so they can
> > brush the snow off. They don't like to place them on their roof as
> > they will cause the roof to leak... I doubt it would work well on that
> > tile roof anyway, they'd have to drill a lot of bolt holes.
> >
> > I thought about installing solar panels here and even had a company do
> > a survey. I have several acres they could use but I didn't want to
> > look at those ugly panels and there would be a lot of mowing and snow
> > removal.
> Very inaccurate bullshit snipped.
>
> You are absolutely 100% correct about adding solar panels to ones roof.
> It is something Kuthe might do though since he is restoring a tile roof.
> He could now go back and drill a lot of holes and install some panels or
> maybe add some skylights.
>
> I see acres of solar arrays in areas that I travel. They are NOT a
> thing of the future. Guarantee you they are not only powering small
> calculators and toothbrushes. Same for wind turbines. You may not see
> many around your house though. Transmission lines have been here on this
> earth for a long time and they can transmit energy regardless of source
> of such energy.

I don't know how things are on the mainland, but solar panels are pretty much a thing of the present on this rock where electricity is about 35 cents/kWh.

The college across the street recently installed solar panels in a couple of the parking lots. I can't say how much power it's generating but the important part for me is that it provides shade from the hot Hawaiian sun. Hopefully, the panels can withstand a hot Hawaiian hurricane.

Bruce wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 13:41:43 -0700 (PDT), "
> > wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 3:30:46 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 16:22:06 -0400, Sheldon Martin >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Those with the money for the installation are typically too old to get
>>>> the payback... for me at my age it would be like kootchie at his age
>>>> spending more on a roof than his entire house cost. When they did the
>>>> survey they quoted me a price for the panels and installation of
>>>> $240,000.
>>>
>>> That's insane. Maybe they thought you wanted solar for a whole
>>> village.
>>>
>> It did seem way off the mark to me, too.
>>
>> I saw a new type on a home improvement type show a few months ago. It
>> looks like a giant patio umbrella for the lack of a better explanation.
>> It was H.U.G.E. and I do mean BIIIIIG and it was $30,000, U.S. dollars.
>> Somehow I vaguely remember them saying it was like a sunflower and it
>> turns and follows the suns path. Then again I may have just dreamed
>> that part.
>
> You can probably get solar panels for a 4 person family for half of
> that.
>

Popeye don't have any solar panels. If he ever gets them, he'll be
back, bragging and blowing.

Finest shit since drumpf first ... blah blah.

Saleslady had out of this world "bosoms".

I painted them to match my diesel tank ... blah blah.



Etc.

dsi1 wrote:
> On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 1:25:11 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
>> John Kuthe wrote:
>>> I know, but electricity CAN be generated many ways!
>>
>> My electricity comes from a nuke plant about 60 miles
>> from here.
>>
>> They just got approval to start a windmill operation
>> abour 20 some miles offshore.
>
> You should expect to see electric trucks and SUVs with 400 to 500 mile range in a few years. How much would it cost to charge such monsters? About 24 bucks. On this rock, about twice that.
>

How long before we get those neat flying cars like the Jetsons use?

On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 14:41:44 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> wrote:

>On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 9:12:46 AM UTC-10, jay wrote:

>> I see acres of solar arrays in areas that I travel. They are NOT a
>> thing of the future. Guarantee you they are not only powering small
>> calculators and toothbrushes. Same for wind turbines. You may not see
>> many around your house though. Transmission lines have been here on this
>> earth for a long time and they can transmit energy regardless of source
>> of such energy.
>
>I don't know how things are on the mainland, but solar panels are pretty much a thing of the present on this rock where electricity is about 35 cents/kWh.

That's amazing. Just about everything is more expensive in Australia
than in the US and, probably, Europe. But our kWh price is quite a bit
lower than yours. Solar panels all the way in Hawaii.

On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 12:07:43 PM UTC-10, Hank Rogers wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
> > On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 1:25:11 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> >> John Kuthe wrote:
> >>> I know, but electricity CAN be generated many ways!
> >>
> >> My electricity comes from a nuke plant about 60 miles
> >> from here.
> >>
> >> They just got approval to start a windmill operation
> >> abour 20 some miles offshore.
> >
> > You should expect to see electric trucks and SUVs with 400 to 500 mile range in a few years. How much would it cost to charge such monsters? About 24 bucks. On this rock, about twice that.
> >
>
> How long before we get those neat flying cars like the Jetsons use?

5 years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTJDkSmDf_s

On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 12:08:02 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 14:41:44 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> > wrote:
>
> >On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 9:12:46 AM UTC-10, jay wrote:
>
> >> I see acres of solar arrays in areas that I travel. They are NOT a
> >> thing of the future. Guarantee you they are not only powering small
> >> calculators and toothbrushes. Same for wind turbines. You may not see
> >> many around your house though. Transmission lines have been here on this
> >> earth for a long time and they can transmit energy regardless of source
> >> of such energy.
> >
> >I don't know how things are on the mainland, but solar panels are pretty much a thing of the present on this rock where electricity is about 35 cents/kWh.
>
> That's amazing. Just about everything is more expensive in Australia
> than in the US and, probably, Europe. But our kWh price is quite a bit
> lower than yours. Solar panels all the way in Hawaii.

We no more any natural resources. All we got is sun and soil and water. That's it.

On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 16:37:18 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> wrote:

>On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 12:08:02 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 14:41:44 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 9:12:46 AM UTC-10, jay wrote:
>>
>> >> I see acres of solar arrays in areas that I travel. They are NOT a
>> >> thing of the future. Guarantee you they are not only powering small
>> >> calculators and toothbrushes. Same for wind turbines. You may not see
>> >> many around your house though. Transmission lines have been here on this
>> >> earth for a long time and they can transmit energy regardless of source
>> >> of such energy.
>> >
>> >I don't know how things are on the mainland, but solar panels are pretty much a thing of the present on this rock where electricity is about 35 cents/kWh.
>>
>> That's amazing. Just about everything is more expensive in Australia
>> than in the US and, probably, Europe. But our kWh price is quite a bit
>> lower than yours. Solar panels all the way in Hawaii.
>
>We no more any natural resources. All we got is sun and soil and water. That's it.

I guess it's a bit far to run a power cable from the mainland.

On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 5:15:55 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 6:01:38 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> > John Kuthe wrote:
> > >
> > > I painted the surround and inside of the house. I want to paint the door red. I've seen several red doors in Bel Nor and they look great!
> >
> > You need to consider your color combination.
> > A red door surrounded by that nice blue sounds bad.
> > You need some white to go with that blue, imo.
>
> Don't forget the look of the exterior of the red door up against
> the "Grandma lavender" porch.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

"Lavender" paint on front porch was power washed off today! Gonna paint it the proscribed Shit Brown!

John Kuthe...

On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 3:30:46 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 16:22:06 -0400, Sheldon Martin >
> wrote:
>
> >Those with the money for the installation are typically too old to get
> >the payback... for me at my age it would be like kootchie at his age
> >spending more on a roof than his entire house cost. When they did the
> >survey they quoted me a price for the panels and installation of
> >$240,000.
>
> That's insane. Maybe they thought you wanted solar for a whole
> village.
>
> <snip waffle about how great he is>

$240,000 IS insane!

My electrician installed a trenched 240VAC line to the detached garage to provide electric power to charge three EVs, L2 charging, a new more capacious subpanel and several dedicated 20A breaker fed gFIs. My landlord had some cheap electrician wire to the 120V hot and neutral to the existing wiring and then find any convenient GND, but not via a dedicated 20A breaker which is modern code.

John Kuthe...

On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 7:15:34 PM UTC-5, John Kuthe wrote:
>
> $240,000 IS insane!
>
> My electrician installed a trenched 240VAC line to the detached garage to provide electric power to charge three EVs, L2 charging, a new more capacious subpanel and several dedicated 20A breaker fed gFIs. My landlord had some cheap electrician wire to the 120V hot and neutral to the existing wiring and then find any convenient GND, but not via a dedicated 20A breaker which is modern code.
>
> John Kuthe...
>
Ummmm, you are replying to an entirely different subject than what your
electrician did. Good grief.

Gary wrote:
> John Kuthe wrote:
>> The "Grandma's Lavender" paint on the front porch is being power washed off this weekend and it's going to be painted Shit Brown:
>> https://i.postimg.cc/FHFDw0Wq/Shit-BROWN.jpg
> That brown doesn't coorinate with anything on your house.
> And why in the world are you going to have the lavender
> paint powerwashed off your front porch floor?
>
> All you do is wash it and let dry then paint on a new
> color. No need to remove it.
>
> You are a ****ing idiot and a loose cannon. You need a
> supervisor. Stop trying to play Mr. Decorator and
> Mr. Painter. It's not working.
>
> All your painting posts lately are such a fail and
> highly disturbing.

Enlisting and implementing good advice is foreign to John.

Sheldon Martin wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 wrote:
>> On Friday, July 17, 2020 John Kuthe wrote:
>>> I see the coal cars on the trains, I'm not stupid! We still do a LOT of STUPID 19th Century things!
>>>
>>> John Kuthe...
>>>
>> Why didn't you install solar panels on your roof? You could have generated
>> your own electricity and probably sold some back to your local power company.
> I doubt his roof has enough area at the correct exposure for solar
> panels to produce much. Where I live a lot of people place the solar
> panels in their yard on posts that are cemented into the ground so
> they're up off the ground so they can mow around them and so they can
> brush the snow off. They don't like to place them on their roof as
> they will cause the roof to leak... I doubt it would work well on that
> tile roof anyway, they'd have to drill a lot of bolt holes.
>
> I thought about installing solar panels here and even had a company do
> a survey. I have several acres they could use but I didn't want to
> look at those ugly panels and there would be a lot of mowing and snow
> removal. Plus more than half the time they'd produce no elctricity,
> they produce nothing at night or on cloudy days. Once installed I'd
> be responsible for their maintenence and repairs. The panels are
> mostly made of plastic, UV light wreaks havoc on those panels so they
> don't last long. Solar panels are okay for a few small light bulbs
> but would need a lot of panels to run A/C, an electric stove, a
> clothes dryer, a fridge/freezer, charge an electric car, fergetabout
> it. Solar power is a long way into the future. Solar is good for
> powering small electronics, like a calculator, a medical thermometer,
> a toothbrush, a clock. The main drawback to solar is transmission.

He's got that garage...

On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 8:02:59 PM UTC-4, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 5:15:55 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 6:01:38 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> > > John Kuthe wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I painted the surround and inside of the house. I want to paint the door red. I've seen several red doors in Bel Nor and they look great!
> > >
> > > You need to consider your color combination.
> > > A red door surrounded by that nice blue sounds bad.
> > > You need some white to go with that blue, imo.
> >
> > Don't forget the look of the exterior of the red door up against
> > the "Grandma lavender" porch.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
>
> "Lavender" paint on front porch was power washed off today! Gonna paint it the proscribed Shit Brown!
>
> John Kuthe...

"Prescribed", not "proscribed".

I'm sure you have other colors available that would harmonize better with
your brick house.

Cindy Hamilton

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> I'm sure you have other colors available that would harmonize better with
> your brick house.

He has that nice looking dark red on his front door and on the
dormers. Would be a good color on his back deck too.

His front porch color could be that too or a traditional
medium gray. Not regular house paint though. Should be a
porch and floor enamel that dries much harder and is made
to be walked on.

Hank Rogers wrote:
>
> Sheldon Martin wrote:
> > On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 11:22:43 -0700 (PDT), "
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 9:57:28 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Why didn't you install solar panels on your roof? You could have generated
> >>>> your own electricity and probably sold some back to your local power company.
> >>>
> >>> I doubt his roof has enough area at the correct exposure for solar
> >>> panels to produce much.
> >>>
> >> It would depend on the direction his house faces. He's got enough roof
> >> surface he could have several panels plus his garage roof would accomodate
> >> more panels.
> >>
> >>
> >>> Where I live a lot of people place the solar
> >>> panels in their yard on posts that are cemented into the ground so
> >>> they're up off the ground so they can mow around them and so they can
> >>> brush the snow off. They don't like to place them on their roof as
> >>> they will cause the roof to leak.
> >>>
> >> Properly installed solar panels do not cause leaks. There are some
> >> available that actually open like ladies handheld fan but these open
> >> a full 360° and are mounted on a post. But these are quite expen$ive.
> >>>
> >>> I doubt it would work well on that
> >>> tile roof anyway, they'd have to drill a lot of bolt holes.
> >>>
> >> He was needing a new roof anyway. He could have replaced it with longlife
> >> asphalt shingles and the money he saved on the roofing could have been used
> >> for solar panels.
> >>>
> >>> I thought about installing solar panels here and even had a company do
> >>> a survey. I have several acres they could use but I didn't want to
> >>> look at those ugly panels and there would be a lot of mowing and snow
> >>> removal. Plus more than half the time they'd produce no elctricity,
> >>> they produce nothing at night or on cloudy days.
> >>>
> >> That's why you stay on the electric company's grid to provide you with power
> >> on days with extended cloudiness, snow, or rain.
> >>>
> >>> Once installed I'd
> >>> be responsible for their maintenence and repairs.
> >>>
> >> Just like you are responsible for maintenance on your house and vehicles.
> >>>
> >>> The panels are
> >>> mostly made of plastic, UV light wreaks havoc on those panels so they
> >>> don't last long.
> >>>
> >> That, I don't know. But I don't hear people complaining about replacing
> >> those panels all the time.
> >>>
> >>> Solar panels are okay for a few small light bulbs
> >>> but would need a lot of panels to run A/C, an electric stove, a
> >>> clothes dryer, a fridge/freezer, charge an electric car, fergetabout
> >>> it.
> >>>
> >> Not true. Depending on how many panels you have installed they can power
> >> a large house.
> >>>
> >>> Solar power is a long way into the future. Solar is good for
> >>> powering small electronics, like a calculator, a medical thermometer,
> >>> a toothbrush, a clock. The main drawback to solar is transmission.
> >>>
> >> Again, not true. The one thing that holds people back from installing
> >> the panels is the initial cost.
> >
> > Those with the money for the installation are typically too old to get
> > the payback... for me at my age it would be like kootchie at his age
> > spending more on a roof than his entire house cost. When they did the
> > survey they quoted me a price for the panels and installation of
> > $240,000. If we live to be 100 our electric bills won't equal that.
> > There are better ways to keep one's electric usage low. I've been
> > frugal with electric all my life, I don't turn on lights on a sunny
> > day, I open the shades and I automatically turn off lights when I
> > leave a room. And recently we changed all our lighting to LED, cut
> > our electric bill to less than half, especially with all outside
> > lighting LED on at dusk off at dawn fixtures... those lights last a
> > long time (15-20 years) could easily outlive us, no bulbs to buy and
> > no climbing ladders to change bulbs. We have all the creature
> > comforts, more than most... four TVs, two refrigerator freezers, two
> > cars, all the food we can eat. We're simply not wasteful. We gave up
> > eating at restaurants, they are all way over priced and their quality
> > is the lowest possible. I have no problem doing all our cooking.
> > Makes us ill speding over $100 on a restaurant dinner for two and
> > leaving very disappointed and hungry, even the service stinks, what
> > service, there is none. And restaurants are especially rip offs on
> > bar drinks. Their salads are wilted greens out of those plastic bags.
> > It reached the point that we couldn't find anything on their menus
> > that we wanted to eat that I couldn't prepare at home for half the
> > price or less and of far better quality. For dinner yesterday I made
> > center cut pork loin chops on the bone, thick cut 1 1/4", seasoned
> > with fresh ground white pepper, fresh ginger, soy sauce, toasted
> > sesame seed oil, pan fried. Then in the same pan stir fried slivered
> > garlic and a big mess of Swiss chard fresh from our garden. We
> > couldn't finish those huge pork chops so we have half for tonight with
> > a bigger batch of Swiss chard. When we decide on beef steak I'll make
> > a quick trip into town and ask the same butcher at Tops whats good, he
> > never fails to produce high quality steaks, much better than any
> > so-called fancy schmancy steak house... it's no big deal to cook
> > steak... probably one of the simplest foods to prepare. And for 1/3
> > the price of a fancy schmancy steak house. And I never minded pouring
> > our own booze. My wife has her Belizean rum and coke and I have my
> > Crystal Palace and sugar free Sprite with a big lemon wedge. The same
> > butcher prepares our pork chops, also extremely easy to cook. Lately
> > I prefer pan frying rather than on the outside grill. We're not in
> > the least concerned about grill marks. I prefer to pan fry meat and
> > then to immediately stir fry the veggies in the same pan, much more
> > flavor. The veggie garden is now producing full tilt, yellow and
> > green summer squash, Kirby Cukes up the kazoo, mixed salad greens, and
> > tons of Swiss chard... soon tomatoes and peppers... already melons and
> > pumpkins are set, we have people to gift with ovearge. We grow
> > pumpkins for decor.
> >
>
> Popeye Yoose sure like to type.

Cheri used to call that his "Wall of Text" heheh

On Sunday, July 19, 2020 at 9:15:16 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> Hank Rogers wrote:
> >
> > Sheldon Martin wrote:
> > > On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 11:22:43 -0700 (PDT), "
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 9:57:28 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Why didn't you install solar panels on your roof? You could have generated
> > >>>> your own electricity and probably sold some back to your local power company.
> > >>>
> > >>> I doubt his roof has enough area at the correct exposure for solar
> > >>> panels to produce much.
> > >>>
> > >> It would depend on the direction his house faces. He's got enough roof
> > >> surface he could have several panels plus his garage roof would accomodate
> > >> more panels.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> Where I live a lot of people place the solar
> > >>> panels in their yard on posts that are cemented into the ground so
> > >>> they're up off the ground so they can mow around them and so they can
> > >>> brush the snow off. They don't like to place them on their roof as
> > >>> they will cause the roof to leak.
> > >>>
> > >> Properly installed solar panels do not cause leaks. There are some
> > >> available that actually open like ladies handheld fan but these open
> > >> a full 360° and are mounted on a post. But these are quite expen$ive.
> > >>>
> > >>> I doubt it would work well on that
> > >>> tile roof anyway, they'd have to drill a lot of bolt holes.
> > >>>
> > >> He was needing a new roof anyway. He could have replaced it with longlife
> > >> asphalt shingles and the money he saved on the roofing could have been used
> > >> for solar panels.
> > >>>
> > >>> I thought about installing solar panels here and even had a company do
> > >>> a survey. I have several acres they could use but I didn't want to
> > >>> look at those ugly panels and there would be a lot of mowing and snow
> > >>> removal. Plus more than half the time they'd produce no elctricity,
> > >>> they produce nothing at night or on cloudy days.
> > >>>
> > >> That's why you stay on the electric company's grid to provide you with power
> > >> on days with extended cloudiness, snow, or rain.
> > >>>
> > >>> Once installed I'd
> > >>> be responsible for their maintenence and repairs.
> > >>>
> > >> Just like you are responsible for maintenance on your house and vehicles.
> > >>>
> > >>> The panels are
> > >>> mostly made of plastic, UV light wreaks havoc on those panels so they
> > >>> don't last long.
> > >>>
> > >> That, I don't know. But I don't hear people complaining about replacing
> > >> those panels all the time.
> > >>>
> > >>> Solar panels are okay for a few small light bulbs
> > >>> but would need a lot of panels to run A/C, an electric stove, a
> > >>> clothes dryer, a fridge/freezer, charge an electric car, fergetabout
> > >>> it.
> > >>>
> > >> Not true. Depending on how many panels you have installed they can power
> > >> a large house.
> > >>>
> > >>> Solar power is a long way into the future. Solar is good for
> > >>> powering small electronics, like a calculator, a medical thermometer,
> > >>> a toothbrush, a clock. The main drawback to solar is transmission.
> > >>>
> > >> Again, not true. The one thing that holds people back from installing
> > >> the panels is the initial cost.
> > >
> > > Those with the money for the installation are typically too old to get
> > > the payback... for me at my age it would be like kootchie at his age
> > > spending more on a roof than his entire house cost. When they did the
> > > survey they quoted me a price for the panels and installation of
> > > $240,000. If we live to be 100 our electric bills won't equal that.
> > > There are better ways to keep one's electric usage low. I've been
> > > frugal with electric all my life, I don't turn on lights on a sunny
> > > day, I open the shades and I automatically turn off lights when I
> > > leave a room. And recently we changed all our lighting to LED, cut
> > > our electric bill to less than half, especially with all outside
> > > lighting LED on at dusk off at dawn fixtures... those lights last a
> > > long time (15-20 years) could easily outlive us, no bulbs to buy and
> > > no climbing ladders to change bulbs. We have all the creature
> > > comforts, more than most... four TVs, two refrigerator freezers, two
> > > cars, all the food we can eat. We're simply not wasteful. We gave up
> > > eating at restaurants, they are all way over priced and their quality
> > > is the lowest possible. I have no problem doing all our cooking.
> > > Makes us ill speding over $100 on a restaurant dinner for two and
> > > leaving very disappointed and hungry, even the service stinks, what
> > > service, there is none. And restaurants are especially rip offs on
> > > bar drinks. Their salads are wilted greens out of those plastic bags..
> > > It reached the point that we couldn't find anything on their menus
> > > that we wanted to eat that I couldn't prepare at home for half the
> > > price or less and of far better quality. For dinner yesterday I made
> > > center cut pork loin chops on the bone, thick cut 1 1/4", seasoned
> > > with fresh ground white pepper, fresh ginger, soy sauce, toasted
> > > sesame seed oil, pan fried. Then in the same pan stir fried slivered
> > > garlic and a big mess of Swiss chard fresh from our garden. We
> > > couldn't finish those huge pork chops so we have half for tonight with
> > > a bigger batch of Swiss chard. When we decide on beef steak I'll make
> > > a quick trip into town and ask the same butcher at Tops whats good, he
> > > never fails to produce high quality steaks, much better than any
> > > so-called fancy schmancy steak house... it's no big deal to cook
> > > steak... probably one of the simplest foods to prepare. And for 1/3
> > > the price of a fancy schmancy steak house. And I never minded pouring
> > > our own booze. My wife has her Belizean rum and coke and I have my
> > > Crystal Palace and sugar free Sprite with a big lemon wedge. The same
> > > butcher prepares our pork chops, also extremely easy to cook. Lately
> > > I prefer pan frying rather than on the outside grill. We're not in
> > > the least concerned about grill marks. I prefer to pan fry meat and
> > > then to immediately stir fry the veggies in the same pan, much more
> > > flavor. The veggie garden is now producing full tilt, yellow and
> > > green summer squash, Kirby Cukes up the kazoo, mixed salad greens, and
> > > tons of Swiss chard... soon tomatoes and peppers... already melons and
> > > pumpkins are set, we have people to gift with ovearge. We grow
> > > pumpkins for decor.
> > >
> >
> > Popeye Yoose sure like to type.
>
> Cheri used to call that his "Wall of Text" heheh

Yeah. It's as if he is just dumping his brain to the keyboard as fast
as he is able.

Any of his teachers past 6th grade would mark him down for not
splitting that up into paragraphs.

Cindy Hamilton