On 7/16/20 8:52 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

>> It is, and it looks nice. But from an economic POV, it's not a good
>> move.
>>
>
> Many things we buy are not worth the actual price yet we buy an
> expensive dinner or bottle of wine.Â* Same thing but on a larger scale.
> The owner wants it and is willing to pay for the satisfaction of having it.
>
> Been to an art museum?Â* I've seen paintings worth a million bucks and
> I'd pay you $10 to take out of my house.

Kuthe doesn't have expensive dinner or wine money. He is gilding a pig
and can't afford it. When the property goes to tax lien foreclosure
someone will get a nice roof though. People who buy expensive art have
the wherewithal to do so. There is zero wherewithal in this case.

On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 07:01:13 -0400, Gary wrote:

> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> Most Americans would replace that tile with asphalt shingles.
>> ISTR that's the most common residential roofing material in the
>> U.S. And the cheapest. Instead of $113,000, that job might cost
>> $5000 (including getting rid of the tiles).
>
> Not for $5000. Maybe for 15 or 20. Those tiles could be saved
> for other jobs that Old World does, so maybe a cost reduction
> to let them have them.

That roof with a 30-year shingle (medium quality) would cost no more
than $6,500. The used tiles would be taken to a tile yard to do
repairs or small jobs. OWR probably has a stash of their own. Even
those "new" tiles they used for this job aren't new. They're used
tiles that came from other tear-offs.

> And not new copper gutters either. Those are also only
> for historic houses.

Copper was a really cheap metal way back when, cost less than
aluminum. That's why we made pennies out of it. Nowadays it cost
400X times more than that. The gutters alone on John's house cost
more than a 30-year shingle tear-off/re-roof with aluminum gutters.
Or 3 years worth of rental payments from 1 tenant.

And you don't make gutters and downspouts out of it then paint them
black (duh).

Net up he's gotta repair the driveway. All the runoff from his
neighbors house and his drains into his driveway (not even
splashblocks) and into his foundation, which has also created small
sinkholes in his driveway and he has cracks in several spots. And
probably more now that's they've driven roofing trucks back there.
I'm sure he signed a driveway disclaimer as part of the job.

-sw

On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 10:09:50 +0100, Janet wrote:

> John, the bargeboard above the top window is in a terrible rotten
> state. Before retiling the roof, you should have had that wood
> replaced, or cleaned off and repainted.

I looked at that And I think it may just need some new stain. They
look like solid 5x5's, but probably cracked if they're that old.

-sw

On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 10:29:31 +0100, Janet wrote:

> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 3:30:56 PM UTC-5, Jeßus wrote:
>>> On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 10:02:24 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> >https://i.postimg.cc/fbbd5ZGx/Tiles-...-16-2020-2.jpg
>>> >
>>> >https://i.postimg.cc/dt8GV5RT/Tiles-...-16-2020-1.jpg
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Courtesy of Old World Roofing, doing in the Right Way! :-)
>>>
>>> I still can't believe how much this is costing you, it's not even a
>>> large house.
>>
>> Me too, but I know quality work when I see it. No not large, only 1500 sqft and now it will have a renewed red clay tile roof, which is a 100 year roof. House was completed in 1930, so just shy of 100 years on the old one.
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>
> No, John. The original tiles you've allowed them to refit, are at the
> end of their 100 year life, that's why so many of them became
> weatherworn and absorbent, broke or leaked.

Which is why you don't use clay tile in central TX. We usually have
at least 1X/year incident where it goes from 80'sF to 30's in less
than 36 hours w/sleet and rain. That wreaks havoc on tile.

> The roofing company must be laughing all the way to the bank.

For sure. I even sent them a threatening letter way back when this
started claiming to be a member of his family and that's he's not
exactly unmedicated and sane.

<clickety click>

OK, it's looks like I implied I was an attorney of some sort. As
well as the Guiness Book World Record holder of the number of
Mcdonald's Big Macs eaten! (Don Gorske).


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At the request of the family, John Kuthe's mental status is
currently being reviewed by the courts. If he is deemed mentally
unfit to care for his estate, the first thing that will be reviewed
will be if and to what extent Old World Roofing Company knowingly
took advantage of a mentally ill person by offering to fix his roof
for more than house itself is worth. This is not a fair contract
and the family WILL sue to recoup all the losses incurred by your
actions. To save everybody a lot of time and trouble, we highly
advise that you rethink your contract and scope of work, IF ANY.

-DG

See? I use my superpowers for good AND evil. I'm not sure how
Spiderman will see that, but **** him.

They never got back to me, FWIW. Maybe they looked up who "Don
Gorske" was <shrug>. That was sent right after john said he paid
the $28K deposit; which is about what this job should have cost
(maybe $37K with the new gutters).

I'm wondering who's getting the old gutters? They're probably worth
$400+

-sw

On 7/17/2020 6:51 AM, Janet wrote:
> In article >, says...
>>
>> On 7/16/20 2:30 PM, Je?us wrote:
>>> On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 10:02:24 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> https://i.postimg.cc/fbbd5ZGx/Tiles-...-16-2020-2.jpg
>>>>
>>>> https://i.postimg.cc/dt8GV5RT/Tiles-...-16-2020-1.jpg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Courtesy of Old World Roofing, doing in the Right Way! :-)
>>>
>>> I still can't believe how much this is costing you, it's not even a
>>> large house.
>>>
>>
>> Yes it's a 100K+ courtesy .. a moving fee. Moving the tile out of the
>> way refelting and moving it back. They will use very few new tiles.
>
> They've reused 100 year old clay tiles. 100 years is the lifespan of
> a clay tile. John has already seen many of those 100 yr old clay tiles
> weather, fracture, become brittle, leak; but he's dim enough to believe
> the worn out tiles are now newborn and will last another 100 years.
>
> Thats a bit like a heart surgeon implanting a 90 year patient
> "Good news; the donor heart is 90 years old so it's good for
> another 90 years".
>
> Janet UK
>
>
That's a great analogy, Janet!

Jill

On 7/16/2020 10:52 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> Been to an art museum?Â* I've seen paintings worth a million bucks and
> I'd pay you $10 to take out of my house.

You mean like Jackson Pollock paintings?

Jill

On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 07:42:08 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:

> Which is why you don't use clay tile in central TX. We usually have
> at least 1X/year incident where it goes from 80'sF to 30's in less
> than 36 hours w/sleet and rain. That wreaks havoc on tile.

I should say "clay or concrete tile".

We have plenty of places with lightweight and stronger
synthetic/composite tile.

John's house was not historically, architecturally, or culturally
significant to warrant this level of restoration.

Unless he becomes a serial killer. Or assassinates Trump (is Trump
campaigning within Leaf-range of Bel Nor this year?_he going to
Missouri this year?)

-sw

On Friday, July 17, 2020 at 7:01:11 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > Most Americans would replace that tile with asphalt shingles.
> > ISTR that's the most common residential roofing material in the
> > U.S. And the cheapest. Instead of $113,000, that job might cost
> > $5000 (including getting rid of the tiles).
>
> Not for $5000. Maybe for 15 or 20. Those tiles could be saved
> for other jobs that Old World does, so maybe a cost reduction
> to let them have them.

Most people would call Mr. Roof, who would throw those tiles off the
roof into a dumpster.

My $5000 considered that prices are probably lower where he is. ISTR
I paid $3000 to re-roof my 1200 sq ft ranch. No dormers, one
cross gable, and a very modest slope (which I cannot recall at the
moment).

Cindy Hamilton

On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 06:11:54 -0600, jay wrote:


> Recently spent $18 K [...] and most all of y'all chipped in.

Wow, I must have missed that! I need to do a roofing job any day now, and
would be extremely interested in how to make the rabble here help pay.

On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 07:01:13 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> Most Americans would replace that tile with asphalt shingles.
>> ISTR that's the most common residential roofing material in the
>> U.S. And the cheapest. Instead of $113,000, that job might cost
>> $5000 (including getting rid of the tiles).
>
>Not for $5000. Maybe for 15 or 20. Those tiles could be saved
>for other jobs that Old World does, so maybe a cost reduction
>to let them have them.
>
>They probably specialize in restoring historic house roofs,
>not a plain old house like John has.
>
>My father had an old giant Black Walnut tree removed
>from his yard once. They wanted several thousand dollars
>to cut it down and remove the wood.
>
>Dad knew the value of Black Walnut wood though. He bartered
>with them and ended up getting the tree and wood removed,
>and they got to keep the wood.
>
>An equal trade. No money exchanged.
>
>Like you, I think I would have opted for the asphalt shingles.
>They do come in a nice dark red too. Maybe only 20 year
>life but a big savings now and in the long term.

There are several types of asphalt shingles, from cheapos with a 15
year warranty to archetectural asphalt with a 25-50 year warranty.
When I bought this house it had recently installed 50 year warranty
archetextural asphalt shingles.... after about 20 years they still
look brand new. Kootchie is mentally retarded to pay more than that
entire house is worth for a roof REPAIR that will likely well outlive
him, except for a hail storm that those tiles won't survive.
There are many styles of archetextural tiles and many companies that
produce them:
https://www.iko.com/na/learning-cent...ural-shingles/

>And not new copper gutters either. Those are also only
>for historic houses.
Copper gutters and leaders turn splotchy green (verdigris) and won't
look good on all houses... also quite pricey. I recently had new
gutters and leaders installed because those that were there were too
small to carry the water from such a large roof... those were only 3
1/2", I had 5" installed, easily carries all the water from heavy
rains... all the schmutz too, winds blow pine cones onto the roof from
50' away, now they wash down the 5" leaders. BTW putting those
screens over gutters is a waste, then you'll need to constantly clean
the screens, which requires removing and replacing.

On Friday, July 17, 2020 at 10:02:32 AM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
> BTW putting those
> screens over gutters is a waste, then you'll need to constantly clean
> the screens, which requires removing and replacing.

Ours don't. Twice a year we attach the snorkel that my husband made out
of Schedule 80 PVC to the leaf blower and walk around the house getting
the maple tree seeds (spring) or leaves (fall) off the gutter screens.
Much easier than cleaning 10x the debris out of the gutters.

Cindy Hamilton

On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 07:15:18 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Friday, July 17, 2020 at 10:02:32 AM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
>> BTW putting those
>> screens over gutters is a waste, then you'll need to constantly clean
>> the screens, which requires removing and replacing.
>
>Ours don't. Twice a year we attach the snorkel that my husband made out
>of Schedule 80 PVC to the leaf blower and walk around the house getting
>the maple tree seeds (spring) or leaves (fall) off the gutter screens.
>Much easier than cleaning 10x the debris out of the gutters.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

Blowing schmutz is still a lot of work... larger gutters solves the
cleaning problem completely, and ended the water overflowing the small
gutters during heavy rains.

Sheldon Martin wrote:
>
> On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 07:15:18 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> >On Friday, July 17, 2020 at 10:02:32 AM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
> >> BTW putting those
> >> screens over gutters is a waste, then you'll need to constantly clean
> >> the screens, which requires removing and replacing.
> >
> >Ours don't. Twice a year we attach the snorkel that my husband made out
> >of Schedule 80 PVC to the leaf blower and walk around the house getting
> >the maple tree seeds (spring) or leaves (fall) off the gutter screens.
> >Much easier than cleaning 10x the debris out of the gutters.
> >
> >Cindy Hamilton
>
> Blowing schmutz is still a lot of work... larger gutters solves the
> cleaning problem completely, and ended the water overflowing the small
> gutters during heavy rains.

Come on people. Everyone needs to clean out their gutters once or
twice a year. If you have pine trees near the house, do it 3
times a year. Pine cones aren't the problem, it's the needles
that constantly fall.

jay wrote:
>
> On 7/17/20 5:01 AM, Gary wrote:
> > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>
> >> Most Americans would replace that tile with asphalt shingles.
> >> ISTR that's the most common residential roofing material in the
> >> U.S. And the cheapest. Instead of $113,000, that job might cost
> >> $5000 (including getting rid of the tiles).
> >
> > Not for $5000. Maybe for 15 or 20.
>
> Yes. 5K would be a dog house with bottom of the line 3 tab shingle.
> Recently spent 18k on a not so large one and most all of y'all chipped
> in. Roofing contractors pay an exorbitant amount for insurance just like
> tree trimmers.

I have no doubt that roofing liability insurance is high.
Especially when they do a flat roof. One little missed spot
could cause much damage below and inside.

Talk about high insurance. I read that just a GP doctor
paid about 100K per year for insurance 30 years ago.
I don't doubt it.

On 7/17/20 8:49 AM, Gary wrote:
> jay wrote:
>>
>> On 7/17/20 5:01 AM, Gary wrote:
>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Most Americans would replace that tile with asphalt shingles.
>>>> ISTR that's the most common residential roofing material in the
>>>> U.S. And the cheapest. Instead of $113,000, that job might cost
>>>> $5000 (including getting rid of the tiles).
>>>
>>> Not for $5000. Maybe for 15 or 20.
>>
>> Yes. 5K would be a dog house with bottom of the line 3 tab shingle.
>> Recently spent 18k on a not so large one and most all of y'all chipped
>> in. Roofing contractors pay an exorbitant amount for insurance just like
>> tree trimmers.
>
> I have no doubt that roofing liability insurance is high.
> Especially when they do a flat roof. One little missed spot
> could cause much damage below and inside.
>
> Talk about high insurance. I read that just a GP doctor
> paid about 100K per year for insurance 30 years ago.
> I don't doubt it.
>

I think the big risk is someone falling off. Personal injury can cost
them kagillions.

On Friday, July 17, 2020 at 5:49:44 AM UTC-4, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>Most Americans would replace that tile with asphalt shingles.
> ISTR that's the most common residential roofing material in the
> U.S. And the cheapest. Instead of $113,000, that job might cost
> $5000 (including getting rid of the tiles).
>
> Cindy Hamilton

If you did not type that I was going to.
I had new architectural blue shingles last year with rip and 15 sheets of ply $4700.
Small 1000 sq ranch. Looks great, 30 year. I'll be gone by then.
My last 30 lasted 20. I'll still probably be fertilizer.
At 113k I would off myself the next day.

On 7/17/2020 9:51 AM, Thomas wrote:
> On Friday, July 17, 2020 at 5:49:44 AM UTC-4, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> Most Americans would replace that tile with asphalt shingles.
>> ISTR that's the most common residential roofing material in the
>> U.S. And the cheapest. Instead of $113,000, that job might cost
>> $5000 (including getting rid of the tiles).
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
> If you did not type that I was going to.
> I had new architectural blue shingles last year with rip and 15 sheets of ply $4700.
> Small 1000 sq ranch. Looks great, 30 year. I'll be gone by then.
> My last 30 lasted 20. I'll still probably be fertilizer.
> At 113k I would off myself the next day.
>


I would off you for half that.

Send me 56.5k and you can try.

On 2020-07-17 10:15 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Friday, July 17, 2020 at 10:02:32 AM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
>> BTW putting those
>> screens over gutters is a waste, then you'll need to constantly clean
>> the screens, which requires removing and replacing.
>
> Ours don't. Twice a year we attach the snorkel that my husband made out
> of Schedule 80 PVC to the leaf blower and walk around the house getting
> the maple tree seeds (spring) or leaves (fall) off the gutter screens.
> Much easier than cleaning 10x the debris out of the gutters.
>

I installed gutter guards in my eaves troughing years ago. I no longer
have to clean them. I used to have to clean my gutters 2-3 times a
year, and I hated it. I have a lot of big trees on and near my property
and the eaves would be full. That water in there is cold in the fall,
and I usually had to do it at least twice in the fall and then again in
the spring.

One year I was climbing up to do the eaves on the overhang by the living
room. I thought the ladder had been well positioned but it kicked out
and down we went. One leg slid down between two rungs and then my other
leg hit the ladder and pushed it against the shin on the other leg. I
thought I had broken my leg. Four hours in the ER. As soon as my leg
was well enough to climb ladders again I investing in the Allguard.

When a tree fell on my house and I got as new roof, eaves trough, fascia
and soffit courtesy of the insurance company, I pointed out that I had
had Alluguard on the gutters, so they replaced that too.

On 2020-07-17 10:25 a.m., Sheldon Martin wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 07:15:18 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
>> Ours don't. Twice a year we attach the snorkel that my husband made out
>> of Schedule 80 PVC to the leaf blower and walk around the house getting
>> the maple tree seeds (spring) or leaves (fall) off the gutter screens.
>> Much easier than cleaning 10x the debris out of the gutters.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
> Blowing schmutz is still a lot of work... larger gutters solves the
> cleaning problem completely, and ended the water overflowing the small
> gutters during heavy rains.
>

If you have a low pitch roof it is pretty easy to clean out gutters by
walking along the roof with a leaf blower and blast the crap out of
them. The U shaped attachments work, but a lot of that crap falls sown
on top of you and it can be gross.

On 2020-07-17 10:49 a.m., Gary wrote:
> jay wrote:

> I have no doubt that roofing liability insurance is high.
> Especially when they do a flat roof. One little missed spot
> could cause much damage below and inside.
>
> Talk about high insurance. I read that just a GP doctor
> paid about 100K per year for insurance 30 years ago.
> I don't doubt it.

I don't doubt it. A good friend of mine was out family doctor and our
son was the last baby he delivered before he moved down to Texas in
1977. He had done a lot of ob/gyn work here and delivered a lot of
babies. He stopped delivering babies down there because the insurance
was just too expensive.

On 2020-07-17 12:23 p.m., jay wrote:
> On 7/17/20 8:49 AM, Gary wrote:

>> Talk about high insurance.Â* I read that just a GP doctor
>> paid about 100K per year for insurance 30 years ago.
>> I don't doubt it.
>>
>
> I think the big risk is someone falling off.Â* Personal injury can cost
> them kagillions.

A have a neighbour who has a window and siding business and did small
roofing jobs too. He used to hire Stewart, the son of the woman who
used to live across the street from us. Stewart had some mental health
issues and did a lot of self medicating with alcohol and pot. Bill had
to fire Stewart because he had fallen of roofs so often. He figured on
day he would really get hurt.

On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 10:38:15 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Sheldon Martin wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 07:15:18 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Friday, July 17, 2020 at 10:02:32 AM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
>> >> BTW putting those
>> >> screens over gutters is a waste, then you'll need to constantly clean
>> >> the screens, which requires removing and replacing.
>> >
>> >Ours don't. Twice a year we attach the snorkel that my husband made out
>> >of Schedule 80 PVC to the leaf blower and walk around the house getting
>> >the maple tree seeds (spring) or leaves (fall) off the gutter screens.
>> >Much easier than cleaning 10x the debris out of the gutters.
>> >
>> >Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> Blowing schmutz is still a lot of work... larger gutters solves the
>> cleaning problem completely, and ended the water overflowing the small
>> gutters during heavy rains.
>
>Come on people. Everyone needs to clean out their gutters once or
>twice a year. If you have pine trees near the house, do it 3
>times a year. Pine cones aren't the problem, it's the needles
>that constantly fall.

With larger gutters needles are no problem, they wash right out.

On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 10:23:10 -0600, jay > wrote:

>On 7/17/20 8:49 AM, Gary wrote:
>> jay wrote:
>>>
>>> On 7/17/20 5:01 AM, Gary wrote:
>>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Most Americans would replace that tile with asphalt shingles.
>>>>> ISTR that's the most common residential roofing material in the
>>>>> U.S. And the cheapest. Instead of $113,000, that job might cost
>>>>> $5000 (including getting rid of the tiles).
>>>>
>>>> Not for $5000. Maybe for 15 or 20.
>>>
>>> Yes. 5K would be a dog house with bottom of the line 3 tab shingle.
>>> Recently spent 18k on a not so large one and most all of y'all chipped
>>> in. Roofing contractors pay an exorbitant amount for insurance just like
>>> tree trimmers.
>>
>> I have no doubt that roofing liability insurance is high.
>> Especially when they do a flat roof. One little missed spot
>> could cause much damage below and inside.
>>
>> Talk about high insurance. I read that just a GP doctor
>> paid about 100K per year for insurance 30 years ago.
>> I don't doubt it.
>>
>
>I think the big risk is someone falling off. Personal injury can cost
>them kagillions.

Allowing a contractor to climb on your roof it's entirely at their
peril... just don't invite your neighbor on your roof.

On 7/17/20 12:22 PM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 10:23:10 -0600, jay > wrote:
>
>> On 7/17/20 8:49 AM, Gary wrote:
>>> jay wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 7/17/20 5:01 AM, Gary wrote:
>>>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Most Americans would replace that tile with asphalt shingles.
>>>>>> ISTR that's the most common residential roofing material in the
>>>>>> U.S. And the cheapest. Instead of $113,000, that job might cost
>>>>>> $5000 (including getting rid of the tiles).
>>>>>
>>>>> Not for $5000. Maybe for 15 or 20.
>>>>
>>>> Yes. 5K would be a dog house with bottom of the line 3 tab shingle.
>>>> Recently spent 18k on a not so large one and most all of y'all chipped
>>>> in. Roofing contractors pay an exorbitant amount for insurance just like
>>>> tree trimmers.
>>>
>>> I have no doubt that roofing liability insurance is high.
>>> Especially when they do a flat roof. One little missed spot
>>> could cause much damage below and inside.
>>>
>>> Talk about high insurance. I read that just a GP doctor
>>> paid about 100K per year for insurance 30 years ago.
>>> I don't doubt it.
>>>
>>
>> I think the big risk is someone falling off. Personal injury can cost
>> them kagillions.
>
> Allowing a contractor to climb on your roof it's entirely at their
> peril... just don't invite your neighbor on your roof.
>

Maybe. When something happens that looks like a pay day everyone with a
pocket gets fired upon by the lawyers.

Anyway I was referring to a roofing contractors insurance not home
owners insurance. Many contractors will say they are insured and they
are not. Best to get a certificate of insurance from them and also call
the insurance company involved to be sure it is in force and for how long.

Sqwertz wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 14:42:21 -0600, jay wrote:
>
>> On 7/16/20 2:30 PM, Je�us wrote:
>>> On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 10:02:24 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> https://i.postimg.cc/fbbd5ZGx/Tiles-...-16-2020-2.jpg
>>>>
>>>> https://i.postimg.cc/dt8GV5RT/Tiles-...-16-2020-1.jpg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Courtesy of Old World Roofing, doing in the Right Way! :-)
>>> I still can't believe how much this is costing you, it's not even a
>>> large house.
>>>
>> Yes it's a 100K+ courtesy .. a moving fee. Moving the tile out of the
>> way refelting and moving it back. They will use very few new tiles.
> And the old tiles have all sort of cracks tiny cracks in them from
> hail and moisture contraction/expansion. They won't last another 20
> years without replacing them all.
>
> -sw

His contractors are depending on that but they don't know he's broke and
underemployed.

Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>> On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 3:30:56 PM UTC-5, Jeßus wrote:
>>> On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 10:02:24 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> https://i.postimg.cc/fbbd5ZGx/Tiles-...-16-2020-2.jpg
>>>>
>>>> https://i.postimg.cc/dt8GV5RT/Tiles-...-16-2020-1.jpg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Courtesy of Old World Roofing, doing in the Right Way! :-)
>>> I still can't believe how much this is costing you, it's not even a
>>> large house.
>> Me too, but I know quality work when I see it. No not large, only 1500 sqft and now it will have a renewed red clay tile roof, which is a 100 year roof. House was completed in 1930, so just shy of 100 years on the old one.
>>
>> John Kuthe...
> No, John. The original tiles you've allowed them to refit, are at the
> end of their 100 year life, that's why so many of them became
> weatherworn and absorbent, broke or leaked.
>
> For what they charged you the roof company should have fitted a
> whole roof of new tiles throughout. THEN you'd have a hundred-year tiled
> roof.
>
> What you've got now is a roof where the original old tiles will
> continue to deteriorate and fail, and need regular attention, repairs
> and replacements for the rest of your life.
>
> The roofing company must be laughing all the way to the bank.
>
> Janet UK

They started laughing when they saw his porch, I'm sure.

On Friday, July 17, 2020 at 7:44:58 PM UTC-5, Alex wrote:
> Sqwertz wrote:
> > On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 14:42:21 -0600, jay wrote:
> >
> >> On 7/16/20 2:30 PM, Je�us wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 10:02:24 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> >>> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> https://i.postimg.cc/fbbd5ZGx/Tiles-...-16-2020-2.jpg
> >>>>
> >>>> https://i.postimg.cc/dt8GV5RT/Tiles-...-16-2020-1.jpg
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Courtesy of Old World Roofing, doing in the Right Way! :-)
> >>> I still can't believe how much this is costing you, it's not even a
> >>> large house.
> >>>
> >> Yes it's a 100K+ courtesy .. a moving fee. Moving the tile out of the
> >> way refelting and moving it back. They will use very few new tiles.
> > And the old tiles have all sort of cracks tiny cracks in them from
> > hail and moisture contraction/expansion. They won't last another 20
> > years without replacing them all.
> >
> > -sw
>
> His contractors are depending on that but they don't know he's broke and
> underemployed.

I am far from broke and I still have plenty invested to cover the whole Old World Roofing contract for $117,671+ if needed. And when I was talking with Lance the foreman and I mentioned the total amount I still have he seemed to feel I'd not need near that much to finish this contract. :-)

John Kuthe...

On 2020-07-17 8:44 p.m., Alex wrote:
> Sqwertz wrote:
>> On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 14:42:21 -0600, jay wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/16/20 2:30 PM, Je�us wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 10:02:24 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> https://i.postimg.cc/fbbd5ZGx/Tiles-...-16-2020-2.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>> https://i.postimg.cc/dt8GV5RT/Tiles-...-16-2020-1.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Courtesy of Old World Roofing, doing in the Right Way! :-)
>>>> I still can't believe how much this is costing you, it's not even a
>>>> large house.
>>>>
>>> Yes it's a 100K+ courtesy .. a moving fee.Â* Moving the tile out of the
>>> way refelting and moving it back.Â* They will use very few new tiles.
>> And the old tiles have all sort of cracks tiny cracks in them from
>> hail and moisture contraction/expansion. They won't last another 20
>> years without replacing them all.
>>
>> -sw
>
> His contractors are depending on that but they don't know he's broke and
> underemployed.


It's a safe bet that they were reluctant to pick up the coins on the
driveway, or that they were careful to bend at the knees and no at the
waist.

Sheldon Martin wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 10:23:10 -0600, jay > wrote:
>
>> On 7/17/20 8:49 AM, Gary wrote:
>>> jay wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 7/17/20 5:01 AM, Gary wrote:
>>>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Most Americans would replace that tile with asphalt shingles.
>>>>>> ISTR that's the most common residential roofing material in the
>>>>>> U.S. And the cheapest. Instead of $113,000, that job might cost
>>>>>> $5000 (including getting rid of the tiles).
>>>>>
>>>>> Not for $5000. Maybe for 15 or 20.
>>>>
>>>> Yes. 5K would be a dog house with bottom of the line 3 tab shingle.
>>>> Recently spent 18k on a not so large one and most all of y'all chipped
>>>> in. Roofing contractors pay an exorbitant amount for insurance just like
>>>> tree trimmers.
>>>
>>> I have no doubt that roofing liability insurance is high.
>>> Especially when they do a flat roof. One little missed spot
>>> could cause much damage below and inside.
>>>
>>> Talk about high insurance. I read that just a GP doctor
>>> paid about 100K per year for insurance 30 years ago.
>>> I don't doubt it.
>>>
>>
>> I think the big risk is someone falling off. Personal injury can cost
>> them kagillions.
>
> Allowing a contractor to climb on your roof it's entirely at their
> peril... just don't invite your neighbor on your roof.
>

Dikbreath, if yoose fell off, nobody would report it.

Just grab a shovel and clean up the mess.

jay wrote:

> Anyway I was referring to a roofing contractors insurance not home
> owners insurance. Many contractors will say they are insured and they
> are not. Best to get a certificate of insurance from them and also call
> the insurance company involved to be sure it is in force and for how long.

Yes. That's business libility insurance. Private homeowners not
so much but most condo associations require proof. I always
carried a current copy with me for looking at a job.

For employee injuries, that's covered by Workmen's Comp which
all companies are required to have. If they don't have that,
the company owner is the one to get sued.

On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 18:16:00 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe wrote:

> I am far from broke and I still have plenty invested to cover the
> whole Old World Roofing contract for $117,671+ if needed. And
> when I was talking with Lance the foreman and I mentioned the
> total amount I still have he seemed to feel I'd not need near
> that much to finish this contract. :-)

Wait..... you told the people who are ripping you off how much money
you have left?!?!?

-sw

On 7/18/2020 12:05 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 18:16:00 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe wrote:
>
>> I am far from broke and I still have plenty invested to cover the
>> whole Old World Roofing contract for $117,671+ if needed. And
>> when I was talking with Lance the foreman and I mentioned the
>> total amount I still have he seemed to feel I'd not need near
>> that much to finish this contract. :-)
>
> Wait..... you told the people who are ripping you off how much money
> you have left?!?!?
>
> -sw
>
I don't know why you find that surprising. He blabs to everyone who
will listen about how much money he has.

Jill

On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 11:05:15 AM UTC-5, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 18:16:00 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe wrote:
>
> > I am far from broke and I still have plenty invested to cover the
> > whole Old World Roofing contract for $117,671+ if needed. And
> > when I was talking with Lance the foreman and I mentioned the
> > total amount I still have he seemed to feel I'd not need near
> > that much to finish this contract. :-)
>
> Wait..... you told the people who are ripping you off how much money
> you have left?!?!?
>
> -sw

No one is ripping me off. And how much money I have left is rather personal. None of YOUR BUSINESS!

John Kuthe...

On 7/18/2020 9:33 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 11:05:15 AM UTC-5, Sqwertz wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 18:16:00 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe wrote:
>>
>>> I am far from broke and I still have plenty invested to cover the
>>> whole Old World Roofing contract for $117,671+ if needed. And
>>> when I was talking with Lance the foreman and I mentioned the
>>> total amount I still have he seemed to feel I'd not need near
>>> that much to finish this contract. :-)
>>
>> Wait..... you told the people who are ripping you off how much money
>> you have left?!?!?
>>
>> -sw
>
> No one is ripping me off. And how much money I have left is rather personal. None of YOUR BUSINESS!
>
> John Kuthe...
>


I am a roofer. Will you tell me?

On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 11:38:15 AM UTC-5, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> On 7/18/2020 9:33 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
> > On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 11:05:15 AM UTC-5, Sqwertz wrote:
> >> On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 18:16:00 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe wrote:
> >>
> >>> I am far from broke and I still have plenty invested to cover the
> >>> whole Old World Roofing contract for $117,671+ if needed. And
> >>> when I was talking with Lance the foreman and I mentioned the
> >>> total amount I still have he seemed to feel I'd not need near
> >>> that much to finish this contract. :-)
> >>
> >> Wait..... you told the people who are ripping you off how much money
> >> you have left?!?!?
> >>
> >> -sw
> >
> > No one is ripping me off. And how much money I have left is rather personal. None of YOUR BUSINESS!
> >
> > John Kuthe...
> >
>
>
> I am a roofer. Will you tell me?

Tell you what?

John Kuthe...

On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 11:33:12 AM UTC-5, John Kuthe wrote:
>
> No one is ripping me off. And how much money I have left is rather personal. None of YOUR BUSINESS!
>
> John Kuthe...
>
How is how much money you have left personal information when you've blabbed
everything about your finances except for the account numbers???

On 7/18/2020 9:54 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 11:38:15 AM UTC-5, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>> On 7/18/2020 9:33 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
>>> On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 11:05:15 AM UTC-5, Sqwertz wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 18:16:00 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am far from broke and I still have plenty invested to cover the
>>>>> whole Old World Roofing contract for $117,671+ if needed. And
>>>>> when I was talking with Lance the foreman and I mentioned the
>>>>> total amount I still have he seemed to feel I'd not need near
>>>>> that much to finish this contract. :-)
>>>>
>>>> Wait..... you told the people who are ripping you off how much money
>>>> you have left?!?!?
>>>>
>>>> -sw
>>>
>>> No one is ripping me off. And how much money I have left is rather personal. None of YOUR BUSINESS!
>>>
>>> John Kuthe...
>>>
>>
>>
>> I am a roofer. Will you tell me?
>
> Tell you what?
>
> John Kuthe...
>


What you got to tell?

On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 09:33:08 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe wrote:

> On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 11:05:15 AM UTC-5, Sqwertz wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 18:16:00 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe wrote:
>>
>> Wait..... you told the people who are ripping you off how much money
>> you have left?!?!
>
> No one is ripping me off. And how much money I have left is
> rather personal. None of YOUR BUSINESS!

You told us how much you inherited and how much you've spent on
practically *everything* you've bought since your windfall. You're
broke. If you don't want us to know, then DON'T TELL US!

-sew

On Sat, 18 Jul 2020 09:33:08 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> wrote:

>On Saturday, July 18, 2020 at 11:05:15 AM UTC-5, Sqwertz wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 18:16:00 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe wrote:
>>
>> > I am far from broke and I still have plenty invested to cover the
>> > whole Old World Roofing contract for $117,671+ if needed. And
>> > when I was talking with Lance the foreman and I mentioned the
>> > total amount I still have he seemed to feel I'd not need near
>> > that much to finish this contract. :-)
>>
>> Wait..... you told the people who are ripping you off how much money
>> you have left?!?!?
>>
>> -sw
>
>No one is ripping me off. And how much money I have left is rather personal. None of YOUR BUSINESS!

I guess that explains the hundreds of your posts providing those
details on a weekly basis.