https://i.postimg.cc/fbbd5ZGx/Tiles-...-16-2020-2.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/dt8GV5RT/Tiles-...-16-2020-1.jpg


Courtesy of Old World Roofing, doing in the Right Way! :-)


John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist, Suburban Renewalist and Vegetarian

What perecent is new tile?

On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 1:57:26 PM UTC-5, Thomas wrote:
> What perecent is new tile?

Some. They intermixed the old and new in a very regular planned pattern. By hand!

John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist, Suburban Renewalist and very well fed Vegetarian

John Kuthe wrote:
> On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 1:57:26 PM UTC-5, Thomas wrote:
>> What perecent is new tile?
>
> Some. They intermixed the old and new in a very regular planned pattern. By hand!
>
> John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist, Suburban Renewalist and very well fed Vegetarian
>

Like a patchwork quilt?

On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 10:02:24 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> wrote:

>https://i.postimg.cc/fbbd5ZGx/Tiles-...-16-2020-2.jpg
>
>https://i.postimg.cc/dt8GV5RT/Tiles-...-16-2020-1.jpg
>
>
>Courtesy of Old World Roofing, doing in the Right Way! :-)

I still can't believe how much this is costing you, it's not even a
large house.

On 7/16/20 1:04 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 1:57:26 PM UTC-5, Thomas wrote:
>> What perecent is new tile?
>
> Some. They intermixed the old and new in a very regular planned pattern. By hand!
>
> John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist, Suburban Renewalist and very well fed Vegetarian
>

Did they put bird stop on the first tile row to keep rats and birds from
nesting there? Don't see it in the photos.

On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 3:09:35 PM UTC-5, Hank Rogers wrote:
> John Kuthe wrote:
> > On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 1:57:26 PM UTC-5, Thomas wrote:
> >> What perecent is new tile?
> >
> > Some. They intermixed the old and new in a very regular planned pattern. By hand!
> >
> > John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist, Suburban Renewalist and very well fed Vegetarian
> >
>
> Like a patchwork quilt?

A regular planned patchwork of old and new, just slightly. After the final acid wash will be the big reveal! :-)

John Kuthe...

On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 3:30:56 PM UTC-5, Jeßus wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 10:02:24 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> > wrote:
>
> >https://i.postimg.cc/fbbd5ZGx/Tiles-...-16-2020-2.jpg
> >
> >https://i.postimg.cc/dt8GV5RT/Tiles-...-16-2020-1.jpg
> >
> >
> >Courtesy of Old World Roofing, doing in the Right Way! :-)
>
> I still can't believe how much this is costing you, it's not even a
> large house.

Me too, but I know quality work when I see it. No not large, only 1500 sqft and now it will have a renewed red clay tile roof, which is a 100 year roof. House was completed in 1930, so just shy of 100 years on the old one.

John Kuthe...

On 7/16/20 2:30 PM, Je�us wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 10:02:24 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> > wrote:
>
>> https://i.postimg.cc/fbbd5ZGx/Tiles-...-16-2020-2.jpg
>>
>> https://i.postimg.cc/dt8GV5RT/Tiles-...-16-2020-1.jpg
>>
>>
>> Courtesy of Old World Roofing, doing in the Right Way! :-)
>
> I still can't believe how much this is costing you, it's not even a
> large house.
>

Yes it's a 100K+ courtesy .. a moving fee. Moving the tile out of the
way refelting and moving it back. They will use very few new tiles.

On 7/16/20 2:38 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 3:30:56 PM UTC-5, Jeßus wrote:
>> On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 10:02:24 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> https://i.postimg.cc/fbbd5ZGx/Tiles-...-16-2020-2.jpg
>>>
>>> https://i.postimg.cc/dt8GV5RT/Tiles-...-16-2020-1.jpg
>>>
>>>
>>> Courtesy of Old World Roofing, doing in the Right Way! :-)
>>
>> I still can't believe how much this is costing you, it's not even a
>> large house.
>
> Me too, but I know quality work when I see it. No not large, only 1500 sqft and now it will have a renewed red clay tile roof, which is a 100 year roof. House was completed in 1930, so just shy of 100 years on the old one.
>
> John Kuthe...
>

Total bullshit. It is not a 100 year roof. The tile is may last a
hundred years the felt will not. The felt is what keeps the water out
not the tile.

On 7/16/20 2:38 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 3:30:56 PM UTC-5, Jeßus wrote:
>> On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 10:02:24 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> https://i.postimg.cc/fbbd5ZGx/Tiles-...-16-2020-2.jpg
>>>
>>> https://i.postimg.cc/dt8GV5RT/Tiles-...-16-2020-1.jpg
>>>
>>>
>>> Courtesy of Old World Roofing, doing in the Right Way! :-)
>>
>> I still can't believe how much this is costing you, it's not even a
>> large house.
>
> Me too, but I know quality work when I see it.

And you no nothing about roofing or quality work or anything else for
that matter. ahahahaha

John Kuthe wrote:
> On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 3:30:56 PM UTC-5, Jeßus wrote:
>> On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 10:02:24 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> https://i.postimg.cc/fbbd5ZGx/Tiles-...-16-2020-2.jpg
>>>
>>> https://i.postimg.cc/dt8GV5RT/Tiles-...-16-2020-1.jpg
>>>
>>>
>>> Courtesy of Old World Roofing, doing in the Right Way! :-)
>>
>> I still can't believe how much this is costing you, it's not even a
>> large house.
>
> Me too, but I know quality work when I see it. No not large, only 1500 sqft and now it will have a renewed red clay tile roof, which is a 100 year roof. House was completed in 1930, so just shy of 100 years on the old one.
>
> John Kuthe...
>

Kuth, would you be interested in some magic beans? Only $120,000. I
guarantee they won't bring you in contact with any giants, or evil
capitalists. And they are 100% mother gaiia approved.

Act now, and I'll send you TWO bags of magic beans ... just pay
extra fee.

On 7/16/2020 4:30 PM, Je�us wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 10:02:24 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> > wrote:
>
>> https://i.postimg.cc/fbbd5ZGx/Tiles-...-16-2020-2.jpg
>>
>> https://i.postimg.cc/dt8GV5RT/Tiles-...-16-2020-1.jpg
>>
>>
>> Courtesy of Old World Roofing, doing in the Right Way! :-)
>
> I still can't believe how much this is costing you, it's not even a
> large house.
>

Not a question of size bit have you actually seen the roof? Dormers,
peaks, it is far more intricate than the typical A frame roof. Very
labor intensive. Four dormers, an peak in the front, four corners the
full length.

This roof is more complex than you will find on most large buildings,
not just banging some nails in shingles. Take a look on Google earth.

There are few roofing companies that have the ability to do work like
this. Not sure what I would do if my house but I applaud John for doing
a genuine restoration of the roof. It is a big part of the character of
the house.

jay wrote:
> On 7/16/20 2:38 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
>> On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 3:30:56 PM UTC-5, Jeßus wrote:
>>> On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 10:02:24 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> https://i.postimg.cc/fbbd5ZGx/Tiles-...-16-2020-2.jpg
>>>>
>>>> https://i.postimg.cc/dt8GV5RT/Tiles-...-16-2020-1.jpg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Courtesy of Old World Roofing, doing in the Right Way! :-)
>>>
>>> I still can't believe how much this is costing you, it's not even a
>>> large house.
>>
>> Me too, but I know quality work when I see it.
>
> And you no nothing about roofing or quality work or anything else
> for that matter. ahahahaha

How dare yoose? He's a degreed, certified genuine cannabis nurse
and computer and electrical engineer ... and so much more!

In good standing with mother giaua too.

John Kuthe wrote:
> On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 3:09:35 PM UTC-5, Hank Rogers wrote:
>> John Kuthe wrote:
>>> On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 1:57:26 PM UTC-5, Thomas wrote:
>>>> What perecent is new tile?
>>>
>>> Some. They intermixed the old and new in a very regular planned pattern. By hand!
>>>
>>> John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist, Suburban Renewalist and very well fed Vegetarian
>>>
>>
>> Like a patchwork quilt?
>
> A regular planned patchwork of old and new, just slightly. After the final acid wash will be the big reveal! :-)
>
> John Kuthe...
>

What type of acid will they use? (and what strength?)
I want to learn because I never had a tile roof. I have had leaky
roofs, so I'm watching how you make out.

I hope it works out well and you still have a little money left.

On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 3:45:34 PM UTC-5, jay wrote:
> On 7/16/20 2:38 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
> > On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 3:30:56 PM UTC-5, Jeßus wrote:
> >> On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 10:02:24 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> https://i.postimg.cc/fbbd5ZGx/Tiles-...-16-2020-2.jpg
> >>>
> >>> https://i.postimg.cc/dt8GV5RT/Tiles-...-16-2020-1.jpg
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Courtesy of Old World Roofing, doing in the Right Way! :-)
> >>
> >> I still can't believe how much this is costing you, it's not even a
> >> large house.
> >
> > Me too, but I know quality work when I see it. No not large, only 1500 sqft and now it will have a renewed red clay tile roof, which is a 100 year roof. House was completed in 1930, so just shy of 100 years on the old one..
> >
> > John Kuthe...
> >
>
> Total bullshit. It is not a 100 year roof. The tile is may last a
> hundred years the felt will not. The felt is what keeps the water out
> not the tile.

I did a lot of roofing subcontractor research back in 2017Â*and an asphalt shingle roof is considered a 20 year roof, clay tile or slate a 100 year roof.

John Kuthe...

On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 4:14:59 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 7/16/2020 4:30 PM, Je�us wrote:
> > On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 10:02:24 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> https://i.postimg.cc/fbbd5ZGx/Tiles-...-16-2020-2.jpg
> >>
> >> https://i.postimg.cc/dt8GV5RT/Tiles-...-16-2020-1.jpg
> >>
> >>
> >> Courtesy of Old World Roofing, doing in the Right Way! :-)
> >
> > I still can't believe how much this is costing you, it's not even a
> > large house.
> >
>
> Not a question of size bit have you actually seen the roof? Dormers,
> peaks, it is far more intricate than the typical A frame roof. Very
> labor intensive. Four dormers, an peak in the front, four corners the
> full length.
>
> This roof is more complex than you will find on most large buildings,
> not just banging some nails in shingles. Take a look on Google earth.

Old World Roofing flew a drone up there to get the final measurements


> There are few roofing companies that have the ability to do work like
> this. Not sure what I would do if my house but I applaud John for doing
> a genuine restoration of the roof. It is a big part of the character of
> the house.

Old World Roofing a business down in The Hill in the tile, concrete, etc. part of an old neighborhood of very skilled craftsmen an Old World Roofing is one:

http://www.oldworldroofingco.com/Testimonials.php

They are doing a very professional job! I saw a pickup traveling south on Kingshighway just north of the Earl Sheib on Manchester in 2017 when I was shopping for roof subcontractors and I thought "I can remember that!" and when I got home looked them up on the Internet and said "Yep! Clay Tile Roofing Professionals!" And they are!

https://i.postimg.cc/dt8GV5RT/Tiles-...-16-2020-1.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/fbbd5ZGx/Tiles-...-16-2020-2.jpg

John Kuthe...

On 2020-07-16 4:49 p.m., jay wrote:
> On 7/16/20 2:38 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
>> On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 3:30:56 PM UTC-5, Jeßus wrote:
>>> On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 10:02:24 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> https://i.postimg.cc/fbbd5ZGx/Tiles-...-16-2020-2.jpg
>>>>
>>>> https://i.postimg.cc/dt8GV5RT/Tiles-...-16-2020-1.jpg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Courtesy of Old World Roofing, doing in the Right Way! :-)
>>>
>>> I still can't believe how much this is costing you, it's not even a
>>> large house.
>>
>> Me too, but I know quality work when I see it.
>
> And you no nothing about roofing or quality work or anything else for
> that matter. ahahahaha


He knows enough that he spent a lot of money buying a house that now
needs more than $113,000 in roof repairs.

John Kuthe wrote:
> On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 1:57:26 PM UTC-5, Thomas wrote:
>> What perecent is new tile?
> Some. They intermixed the old and new in a very regular planned pattern. By hand!
>
> John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist, Suburban Renewalist and very well fed Vegetarian

By hand?Â* Nice!Â* No robots on your job, eh?

John Kuthe wrote:
> On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 3:30:56 PM UTC-5, Jeßus wrote:
>> On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 10:02:24 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> https://i.postimg.cc/fbbd5ZGx/Tiles-...-16-2020-2.jpg
>>>
>>> https://i.postimg.cc/dt8GV5RT/Tiles-...-16-2020-1.jpg
>>>
>>>
>>> Courtesy of Old World Roofing, doing in the Right Way! :-)
>> I still can't believe how much this is costing you, it's not even a
>> large house.
> Me too, but I know quality work when I see it. No not large, only 1500 sqft and now it will have a renewed red clay tile roof, which is a 100 year roof. House was completed in 1930, so just shy of 100 years on the old one.
>
> John Kuthe...

With new tiles mixed in.Â* Dumb.

jay wrote:
> On 7/16/20 2:38 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
>> On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 3:30:56 PM UTC-5, Jeßus wrote:
>>> On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 10:02:24 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> https://i.postimg.cc/fbbd5ZGx/Tiles-...-16-2020-2.jpg
>>>>
>>>> https://i.postimg.cc/dt8GV5RT/Tiles-...-16-2020-1.jpg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Courtesy of Old World Roofing, doing in the Right Way! :-)
>>>
>>> I still can't believe how much this is costing you, it's not even a
>>> large house.
>>
>> Me too, but I know quality work when I see it. No not large, only
>> 1500 sqft and now it will have a renewed red clay tile roof, which is
>> a 100 year roof. House was completed in 1930, so just shy of 100
>> years on the old one.
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>>
>
> Total bullshit.Â* It is not a 100 year roof.Â* The tile is may last a
> hundred years the felt will not. The felt is what keeps the water out
> not the tile.

I tried to point that out to him with facts but he ignored them. They
aren't even using their best underlayment for this overpriced project.

John Kuthe wrote:
> On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 3:45:34 PM UTC-5, jay wrote:
>> On 7/16/20 2:38 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
>>> On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 3:30:56 PM UTC-5, Jeßus wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 10:02:24 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> https://i.postimg.cc/fbbd5ZGx/Tiles-...-16-2020-2.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>> https://i.postimg.cc/dt8GV5RT/Tiles-...-16-2020-1.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Courtesy of Old World Roofing, doing in the Right Way! :-)
>>>> I still can't believe how much this is costing you, it's not even a
>>>> large house.
>>> Me too, but I know quality work when I see it. No not large, only 1500 sqft and now it will have a renewed red clay tile roof, which is a 100 year roof. House was completed in 1930, so just shy of 100 years on the old one.
>>>
>>> John Kuthe...
>>>
>> Total bullshit. It is not a 100 year roof. The tile is may last a
>> hundred years the felt will not. The felt is what keeps the water out
>> not the tile.
> I did a lot of roofing subcontractor research back in 2017Â*and an asphalt shingle roof is considered a 20 year roof, clay tile or slate a 100 year roof.
>
> John Kuthe...
Clay and slate are for decoration and for protecting the underlayment
from the sun.

Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2020-07-16 4:49 p.m., jay wrote:
>> On 7/16/20 2:38 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
>>> On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 3:30:56 PM UTC-5, Jeßus wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 10:02:24 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> https://i.postimg.cc/fbbd5ZGx/Tiles-...-16-2020-2.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>> https://i.postimg.cc/dt8GV5RT/Tiles-...-16-2020-1.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Courtesy of Old World Roofing, doing in the Right Way! :-)
>>>>
>>>> I still can't believe how much this is costing you, it's not
>>>> even a
>>>> large house.
>>>
>>> Me too, but I know quality work when I see it.
>>
>> And you no nothing about roofing or quality work or anything else
>> for that matter. ahahahaha
>
>
> He knows enough that he spent a lot of money buying a house that
> now needs more than $113,000 in roof repairs.

Maybe, but it's in da LOO. 5 min to anywhere. Location Location
Location.

And, he grabbed it back from evil, cheap chinese!

On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 14:33:23 -0600, jay wrote:

> On 7/16/20 1:04 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
>> On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 1:57:26 PM UTC-5, Thomas wrote:
>>> What perecent is new tile?
>>
>> Some. They intermixed the old and new in a very regular planned pattern. By hand!
>>
>> John Kuthe, Climate Anarchist, Suburban Renewalist and very well fed Vegetarian
>>
>
> Did they put bird stop on the first tile row to keep rats and birds from
> nesting there? Don't see it in the photos.

And bats.

-sww

On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 13:38:58 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> wrote:

>On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 3:30:56 PM UTC-5, Jeßus wrote:
>> On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 10:02:24 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >https://i.postimg.cc/fbbd5ZGx/Tiles-...-16-2020-2.jpg
>> >
>> >https://i.postimg.cc/dt8GV5RT/Tiles-...-16-2020-1.jpg
>> >
>> >
>> >Courtesy of Old World Roofing, doing in the Right Way! :-)
>>
>> I still can't believe how much this is costing you, it's not even a
>> large house.
>
>Me too, but I know quality work when I see it. No not large, only 1500 sqft and now it will have a renewed red clay tile roof, which is a 100 year roof. House was completed in 1930, so just shy of 100 years on the old one.

In my experience, paying a premium is no guarantee of quality. But I
assume they'll do a good job of it. I'm not in the same country, but
in all seriousness just can't see the value in spending so much on a
roof for what is a small and unremarkable house (that's not intended
to be an insult, nothing wrong with such a house). Anyway, it's your
money...

On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 14:42:21 -0600, jay wrote:

> On 7/16/20 2:30 PM, Je�us wrote:
>> On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 10:02:24 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> https://i.postimg.cc/fbbd5ZGx/Tiles-...-16-2020-2.jpg
>>>
>>> https://i.postimg.cc/dt8GV5RT/Tiles-...-16-2020-1.jpg
>>>
>>>
>>> Courtesy of Old World Roofing, doing in the Right Way! :-)
>>
>> I still can't believe how much this is costing you, it's not even a
>> large house.
>>
>
> Yes it's a 100K+ courtesy .. a moving fee. Moving the tile out of the
> way refelting and moving it back. They will use very few new tiles.

And the old tiles have all sort of cracks tiny cracks in them from
hail and moisture contraction/expansion. They won't last another 20
years without replacing them all.

-sw

On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 17:14:55 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 7/16/2020 4:30 PM, Je?us wrote:
>> On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 10:02:24 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> https://i.postimg.cc/fbbd5ZGx/Tiles-...-16-2020-2.jpg
>>>
>>> https://i.postimg.cc/dt8GV5RT/Tiles-...-16-2020-1.jpg
>>>
>>>
>>> Courtesy of Old World Roofing, doing in the Right Way! :-)
>>
>> I still can't believe how much this is costing you, it's not even a
>> large house.
>>
>
>Not a question of size bit have you actually seen the roof? Dormers,
>peaks, it is far more intricate than the typical A frame roof. Very
>labor intensive. Four dormers, an peak in the front, four corners the
>full length.

I've seen a few pics. I'm not in the U.S, but I'm still stunned at the
cost, irrespective of the work involved. The house looks like a fairly
typical bungalow style house, John is obviously a rare exception to be
willing to spend what is arguably more than the house itself is worth
- what would other Americans do if faced with such a sitation? I would
assume they'd go for an iron or similar material?


>This roof is more complex than you will find on most large buildings,
>not just banging some nails in shingles. Take a look on Google earth.
>
>There are few roofing companies that have the ability to do work like
>this. Not sure what I would do if my house but I applaud John for doing
>a genuine restoration of the roof. It is a big part of the character of
>the house.

It is, and it looks nice. But from an economic POV, it's not a good
move.

On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 17:14:55 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> There are few roofing companies that have the ability to do work like
> this. Not sure what I would do if my house but I applaud John for doing
> a genuine restoration of the roof. It is a big part of the character of
> the house.

So are the purple porches and the odd stained glass.

=sw

On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 14:42:21 -0600, jay > wrote:

>On 7/16/20 2:30 PM, Je?us wrote:
>> On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 10:02:24 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> https://i.postimg.cc/fbbd5ZGx/Tiles-...-16-2020-2.jpg
>>>
>>> https://i.postimg.cc/dt8GV5RT/Tiles-...-16-2020-1.jpg
>>>
>>>
>>> Courtesy of Old World Roofing, doing in the Right Way! :-)
>>
>> I still can't believe how much this is costing you, it's not even a
>> large house.
>>
>
>Yes it's a 100K+ courtesy .. a moving fee. Moving the tile out of the
>way refelting and moving it back. They will use very few new tiles.

Damn, 100K. Gone, just like that. You could have a hell of a good
holiday for a couple of years with that money.

On 7/16/2020 10:42 PM, Je�us wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 17:14:55 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 7/16/2020 4:30 PM, Je?us wrote:
>>> On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 10:02:24 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> https://i.postimg.cc/fbbd5ZGx/Tiles-...-16-2020-2.jpg
>>>>
>>>> https://i.postimg.cc/dt8GV5RT/Tiles-...-16-2020-1.jpg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Courtesy of Old World Roofing, doing in the Right Way! :-)
>>>
>>> I still can't believe how much this is costing you, it's not even a
>>> large house.
>>>
>>
>> Not a question of size bit have you actually seen the roof? Dormers,
>> peaks, it is far more intricate than the typical A frame roof. Very
>> labor intensive. Four dormers, an peak in the front, four corners the
>> full length.
>
> I've seen a few pics. I'm not in the U.S, but I'm still stunned at the
> cost, irrespective of the work involved. The house looks like a fairly
> typical bungalow style house, John is obviously a rare exception to be
> willing to spend what is arguably more than the house itself is worth
> - what would other Americans do if faced with such a sitation? I would
> assume they'd go for an iron or similar material?
>
>
>> This roof is more complex than you will find on most large buildings,
>> not just banging some nails in shingles. Take a look on Google earth.
>>
>> There are few roofing companies that have the ability to do work like
>> this. Not sure what I would do if my house but I applaud John for doing
>> a genuine restoration of the roof. It is a big part of the character of
>> the house.
>
> It is, and it looks nice. But from an economic POV, it's not a good
> move.
>

Many things we buy are not worth the actual price yet we buy an
expensive dinner or bottle of wine. Same thing but on a larger scale.
The owner wants it and is willing to pay for the satisfaction of having it.

Been to an art museum? I've seen paintings worth a million bucks and
I'd pay you $10 to take out of my house.

John, the bargeboard above the top window is in a terrible rotten
state. Before retiling the roof, you should have had that wood
replaced, or cleaned off and repainted.

It still needs to be done, but now someone will have to walk on the
new tiles and will probably drip paint on them too.

Janet UK

In article >,
says...
>
> On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 3:30:56 PM UTC-5, Jeßus wrote:
> > On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 10:02:24 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >https://i.postimg.cc/fbbd5ZGx/Tiles-...-16-2020-2.jpg
> > >
> > >https://i.postimg.cc/dt8GV5RT/Tiles-...-16-2020-1.jpg
> > >
> > >
> > >Courtesy of Old World Roofing, doing in the Right Way! :-)
> >
> > I still can't believe how much this is costing you, it's not even a
> > large house.
>
> Me too, but I know quality work when I see it. No not large, only 1500 sqft and now it will have a renewed red clay tile roof, which is a 100 year roof. House was completed in 1930, so just shy of 100 years on the old one.
>
> John Kuthe...

No, John. The original tiles you've allowed them to refit, are at the
end of their 100 year life, that's why so many of them became
weatherworn and absorbent, broke or leaked.

For what they charged you the roof company should have fitted a
whole roof of new tiles throughout. THEN you'd have a hundred-year tiled
roof.

What you've got now is a roof where the original old tiles will
continue to deteriorate and fail, and need regular attention, repairs
and replacements for the rest of your life.

The roofing company must be laughing all the way to the bank.

Janet UK

On Fri, 17 Jul 2020 10:29:31 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article >,
says...
>>
>> Me too, but I know quality work when I see it. No not large, only 1500 sqft and now it will have a renewed red clay tile roof, which is a 100 year roof. House was completed in 1930, so just shy of 100 years on the old one.
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>
> No, John. The original tiles you've allowed them to refit, are at the
>end of their 100 year life, that's why so many of them became
>weatherworn and absorbent, broke or leaked.
>
> For what they charged you the roof company should have fitted a
>whole roof of new tiles throughout. THEN you'd have a hundred-year tiled
>roof.
>
> What you've got now is a roof where the original old tiles will
>continue to deteriorate and fail, and need regular attention, repairs
>and replacements for the rest of your life.
>
> The roofing company must be laughing all the way to the bank.

Do you also have advice for people who want to start a B&B?

On Thursday, July 16, 2020 at 10:43:00 PM UTC-4, Jeßus wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 17:14:55 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
> >On 7/16/2020 4:30 PM, Je?us wrote:
> >> On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 10:02:24 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> https://i.postimg.cc/fbbd5ZGx/Tiles-...-16-2020-2.jpg
> >>>
> >>> https://i.postimg.cc/dt8GV5RT/Tiles-...-16-2020-1.jpg
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Courtesy of Old World Roofing, doing in the Right Way! :-)
> >>
> >> I still can't believe how much this is costing you, it's not even a
> >> large house.
> >>
> >
> >Not a question of size bit have you actually seen the roof? Dormers,
> >peaks, it is far more intricate than the typical A frame roof. Very
> >labor intensive. Four dormers, an peak in the front, four corners the
> >full length.
>
> I've seen a few pics. I'm not in the U.S, but I'm still stunned at the
> cost, irrespective of the work involved. The house looks like a fairly
> typical bungalow style house, John is obviously a rare exception to be
> willing to spend what is arguably more than the house itself is worth
> - what would other Americans do if faced with such a sitation? I would
> assume they'd go for an iron or similar material?

Most Americans would replace that tile with asphalt shingles.
ISTR that's the most common residential roofing material in the
U.S. And the cheapest. Instead of $113,000, that job might cost
$5000 (including getting rid of the tiles).

Cindy Hamilton

John Kuthe wrote:
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/dt8GV5RT/Tiles-...-16-2020-1.jpg
>
> Courtesy of Old World Roofing, doing in the Right Way! :-)

Time to tell us a story, John.

In addition to restoring your roof, looks like they are
restoring your dormers too. I do think it's a good idea
right while they're up there.
They've taken off the shingles and put new felt paper
on the sides. They've also scraped
off all the peeling paint on the white trim up there.

Rather than repaint that top trim, vinyl siding would
be smart to use. That way, nobody will ever need to
go up on your roof again. Looks like your windows there
have already been replaced with vinyl or aluminum
years ago.

Is this included in the contract price or does that
come under the "additional work" part?

In article >, says...
>
> On 7/16/2020 10:42 PM, Je?us wrote:

> > It is, and it looks nice. But from an economic POV, it's not a good
> > move.
> >
>
> Many things we buy are not worth the actual price yet we buy an
> expensive dinner or bottle of wine.

That's fine for those who can afford it. Not for someone who
emptied their bank account for one meal, leaving nothing to buy food
with for the next month.

Janet UK

In article >, says...
>
> On 7/16/20 2:30 PM, Je?us wrote:
> > On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 10:02:24 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> https://i.postimg.cc/fbbd5ZGx/Tiles-...-16-2020-2.jpg
> >>
> >> https://i.postimg.cc/dt8GV5RT/Tiles-...-16-2020-1.jpg
> >>
> >>
> >> Courtesy of Old World Roofing, doing in the Right Way! :-)
> >
> > I still can't believe how much this is costing you, it's not even a
> > large house.
> >
>
> Yes it's a 100K+ courtesy .. a moving fee. Moving the tile out of the
> way refelting and moving it back. They will use very few new tiles.

They've reused 100 year old clay tiles. 100 years is the lifespan of
a clay tile. John has already seen many of those 100 yr old clay tiles
weather, fracture, become brittle, leak; but he's dim enough to believe
the worn out tiles are now newborn and will last another 100 years.

Thats a bit like a heart surgeon implanting a 90 year patient
"Good news; the donor heart is 90 years old so it's good for
another 90 years".

Janet UK

Janet wrote:
>
> John, the bargeboard above the top window is in a terrible rotten
> state. Before retiling the roof, you should have had that wood
> replaced, or cleaned off and repainted.
>
> It still needs to be done, but now someone will have to walk on the
> new tiles and will probably drip paint on them too.

I just wrote him about that, Janet. I'm assuming that's
part of the job...or extra's that they told him about.

Interesting...Never heard that called "bargeboard" before.
Must be a UK term. In the usa, the top board is usually
referred to as the "facia" the entire top would be called
the "cornice"

I've just always referred to it all as the top trim
around the dormer.

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> Most Americans would replace that tile with asphalt shingles.
> ISTR that's the most common residential roofing material in the
> U.S. And the cheapest. Instead of $113,000, that job might cost
> $5000 (including getting rid of the tiles).

Not for $5000. Maybe for 15 or 20. Those tiles could be saved
for other jobs that Old World does, so maybe a cost reduction
to let them have them.

They probably specialize in restoring historic house roofs,
not a plain old house like John has.

My father had an old giant Black Walnut tree removed
from his yard once. They wanted several thousand dollars
to cut it down and remove the wood.

Dad knew the value of Black Walnut wood though. He bartered
with them and ended up getting the tree and wood removed,
and they got to keep the wood.

An equal trade. No money exchanged.

Like you, I think I would have opted for the asphalt shingles.
They do come in a nice dark red too. Maybe only 20 year
life but a big savings now and in the long term.

And not new copper gutters either. Those are also only
for historic houses.

On 7/17/20 5:01 AM, Gary wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> Most Americans would replace that tile with asphalt shingles.
>> ISTR that's the most common residential roofing material in the
>> U.S. And the cheapest. Instead of $113,000, that job might cost
>> $5000 (including getting rid of the tiles).
>
> Not for $5000. Maybe for 15 or 20.

Yes. 5K would be a dog house with bottom of the line 3 tab shingle.
Recently spent 18k on a not so large one and most all of y'all chipped
in. Roofing contractors pay an exorbitant amount for insurance just like
tree trimmers.