I have been stuck in the hospital for a few days and hope to get out
tomorrow. I had contacted doctor because I was having some issues, but
he is not seeing patients. He referred me to a cardiologist and sent me
for blood work and EKG.

When they did the EKG they would not let me drive him. My pulse was 186.
I went to the ER and the held me there until there was a room in the
cardiac unit. They worked to bring down the heart rate but when it
refuse to cooperate they opted for cardiac inversion. I first had to go
through an eosophical cardio echogram and that meant fasting.


Not a pleasant procedure to get that down, but I was frozen and well
sedated. once they determined there was no risk of clots they pulled out
the scope, knocked me out with with the crdiologist clled his Michael
Jackson drug. The idea was to shock my heart stop it and then another
shock to restart it at a normal rhythm. They tried three times....
so...another day of intervenous drugs and now I am on pills and plan o
be home tomorrow.

It looks like I will have to learn to live with congestive heart failure.

On Sunday, August 23, 2020 at 2:43:24 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> I have been stuck in the hospital for a few days and hope to get out
> tomorrow. I had contacted doctor because I was having some issues, but
> he is not seeing patients. He referred me to a cardiologist and sent me
> for blood work and EKG.
>
> When they did the EKG they would not let me drive him. My pulse was 186.
> I went to the ER and the held me there until there was a room in the
> cardiac unit. They worked to bring down the heart rate but when it
> refuse to cooperate they opted for cardiac inversion. I first had to go
> through an eosophical cardio echogram and that meant fasting.
>
> Not a pleasant procedure to get that down, but I was frozen and well
> sedated. once they determined there was no risk of clots they pulled out
> the scope, knocked me out with with the crdiologist clled his Michael
> Jackson drug. The idea was to shock my heart stop it and then another
> shock to restart it at a normal rhythm. They tried three times....
> so...another day of intervenous drugs and now I am on pills and plan o
> be home tomorrow.
>
> It looks like I will have to learn to live with congestive heart failure.
>
Oh, Dave, I am sorry to read this!! Hopefully, they will send you home with
some good medications to help combat this problem. Stay safe, do what the
doctor says, and keep us informed.

On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 15:43:20 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:

> I first had to go
> through an eosophical cardio echogram and that meant fasting.
>
> Not a pleasant procedure to get that down, but I was frozen and well
> sedated.

I had the egg-on-a-rope dropped down into my throat. No sedation,
ate about 2 hours earlier, and drank about a pint of rum beforehand.
It was still inconclusive and they went up in me with the wires
anyway.

And I also just had a CT echocardiogram Tuesday after heat stroke.
Who-hoo! 5.1 centimeter aorta! My kidneys still aren't working
right and I've gained 22 pounds not eating anything from Tuesday to
Friday.

And worst of all, my toe to hurts :-(

-sw

On Sunday, August 23, 2020 at 3:43:24 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> I have been stuck in the hospital for a few days and hope to get out
> tomorrow. I had contacted doctor because I was having some issues, but
> he is not seeing patients. He referred me to a cardiologist and sent me
> for blood work and EKG.
>
> When they did the EKG they would not let me drive him. My pulse was 186.
> I went to the ER and the held me there until there was a room in the
> cardiac unit. They worked to bring down the heart rate but when it
> refuse to cooperate they opted for cardiac inversion. I first had to go
> through an eosophical cardio echogram and that meant fasting.
>
>
> Not a pleasant procedure to get that down, but I was frozen and well
> sedated. once they determined there was no risk of clots they pulled out
> the scope, knocked me out with with the crdiologist clled his Michael
> Jackson drug. The idea was to shock my heart stop it and then another
> shock to restart it at a normal rhythm. They tried three times....
> so...another day of intervenous drugs and now I am on pills and plan o
> be home tomorrow.
>
> It looks like I will have to learn to live with congestive heart failure.

Sorry about your being in hospital.

Your symptoms and treatment sounds like AFib (atrial fibrillation). Did they mention/diagnose that? Or is it something else?

--
Silvar Beitel

On 8/23/2020 3:43 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> I have been stuck in the hospital for a few days and hope to get out
> tomorrow. I had contactedÂ* doctor because I was having some issues, but
> he is not seeing patients. He referred me to a cardiologistÂ* and sent me
> for blood work and EKG.
>
> When they did the EKG they would not let me drive him. My pulse was 186.
> I went to the ERÂ* and the held me there until there was a room in the
> cardiac unit. They worked to bring down the heart rate but when it
> refuse to cooperate they opted for cardiac inversion. I first had to go
> through an eosophical cardio echogram and that meant fasting.
>
>
> Not a pleasant procedure to get that down, but I was frozen and well
> sedated. once they determined there was no risk of clots they pulled out
> the scope, knocked me out with with the crdiologist clled his Michael
> Jackson drug.Â* The idea was to shock my heart stop it and then another
> shock to restart it at a normal rhythm. They tried three times....
> so...another day of intervenous drugs and now I am on pills and plan o
> be home tomorrow.
>
> It looks like I will have to learn to live with congestive heart failure.

Anything with the heart is serious as you only have one. You can live
with CHF though, mostly with medication. My wife had it for 20 years.
Her pulse was 192 when first diagnosed. I'm sure you will be monitored
as needed.

Good luck with it. Take the meds, make any recommended lifestyle
changes and you will get along just fine.

On 8/23/2020 3:43 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> I have been stuck in the hospital for a few days and hope to get out
> tomorrow. I had contactedÂ* doctor because I was having some issues, but
> he is not seeing patients. He referred me to a cardiologistÂ* and sent me
> for blood work and EKG.
>
> When they did the EKG they would not let me drive him. My pulse was 186.
> I went to the ERÂ* and the held me there until there was a room in the
> cardiac unit. They worked to bring down the heart rate but when it
> refuse to cooperate they opted for cardiac inversion. I first had to go
> through an eosophical cardio echogram and that meant fasting.
>
>
> Not a pleasant procedure to get that down, but I was frozen and well
> sedated. once they determined there was no risk of clots they pulled out
> the scope, knocked me out with with the crdiologist clled his Michael
> Jackson drug.Â* The idea was to shock my heart stop it and then another
> shock to restart it at a normal rhythm. They tried three times....
> so...another day of intervenous drugs and now I am on pills and plan o
> be home tomorrow.
>
> It looks like I will have to learn to live with congestive heart failure.

I'm sorry to hear it. This isn't your first rodeo with heart problems.
Please follow the doctors orders and take care of yourself.

Jill

On 2020-08-23 4:12 p.m., Sqwertz wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 15:43:20 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> I first had to go
>> through an eosophical cardio echogram and that meant fasting.
>>
>> Not a pleasant procedure to get that down, but I was frozen and well
>> sedated.
>
> I had the egg-on-a-rope dropped down into my throat. No sedation,
> ate about 2 hours earlier, and drank about a pint of rum beforehand.
> It was still inconclusive and they went up in me with the wires
> anyway.
>
> And I also just had a CT echocardiogram Tuesday after heat stroke.
> Who-hoo! 5.1 centimeter aorta! My kidneys still aren't working
> right and I've gained 22 pounds not eating anything from Tuesday to
> Friday.

Bummer. That is a lot of retention. I have dropped about 8 pounds since
Thursday.... all retained fluids.

i had things backwards. I thought my weakness was because I was
congested and not getting enough air. It turned out the congestion was
retained fluid.


> And worst of all, my toe to hurts :-(
>

Put your foot up and relax.

On 2020-08-23 4:54 p.m., Silvar Beitel wrote:
> On Sunday, August 23, 2020 at 3:43:24 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
>> I have been stuck in the hospital for a few days and hope to get out
>> tomorrow. I had contacted doctor because I was having some issues, but
>> he is not seeing patients. He referred me to a cardiologist and sent me
>> for blood work and EKG.
>>
>> When they did the EKG they would not let me drive him. My pulse was 186.
>> I went to the ER and the held me there until there was a room in the
>> cardiac unit. They worked to bring down the heart rate but when it
>> refuse to cooperate they opted for cardiac inversion. I first had to go
>> through an eosophical cardio echogram and that meant fasting.
>>
>>
>> Not a pleasant procedure to get that down, but I was frozen and well
>> sedated. once they determined there was no risk of clots they pulled out
>> the scope, knocked me out with with the crdiologist clled his Michael
>> Jackson drug. The idea was to shock my heart stop it and then another
>> shock to restart it at a normal rhythm. They tried three times....
>> so...another day of intervenous drugs and now I am on pills and plan o
>> be home tomorrow.
>>
>> It looks like I will have to learn to live with congestive heart failure.
>
> Sorry about your being in hospital.
>
> Your symptoms and treatment sounds like AFib (atrial fibrillation). Did they mention/diagnose that? Or is it something else?
>

That's what the pros say. Prognosis is pretty good but it means a big
changes. 1.5 l of liquid per day, low sodium diet.

On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 15:43:20 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>I have been stuck in the hospital for a few days and hope to get out
>tomorrow. I had contacted doctor because I was having some issues, but
>he is not seeing patients. He referred me to a cardiologist and sent me
>for blood work and EKG.
>
>When they did the EKG they would not let me drive him. My pulse was 186.
>I went to the ER and the held me there until there was a room in the
>cardiac unit. They worked to bring down the heart rate but when it
>refuse to cooperate they opted for cardiac inversion. I first had to go
>through an eosophical cardio echogram and that meant fasting.
>
>
>Not a pleasant procedure to get that down, but I was frozen and well
>sedated. once they determined there was no risk of clots they pulled out
>the scope, knocked me out with with the crdiologist clled his Michael
>Jackson drug. The idea was to shock my heart stop it and then another
>shock to restart it at a normal rhythm. They tried three times....
>so...another day of intervenous drugs and now I am on pills and plan o
>be home tomorrow.
>
>It looks like I will have to learn to live with congestive heart failure.

I am really, really sorry to hear this about you. Please mind the
doctors and instructions. We want you around for awhile yet.
Hugs
Janet US

On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 15:12:51 -0500, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 15:43:20 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> I first had to go
>> through an eosophical cardio echogram and that meant fasting.
>>
>> Not a pleasant procedure to get that down, but I was frozen and well
>> sedated.
>
>I had the egg-on-a-rope dropped down into my throat. No sedation,
>ate about 2 hours earlier, and drank about a pint of rum beforehand.
>It was still inconclusive and they went up in me with the wires
>anyway.
>
>And I also just had a CT echocardiogram Tuesday after heat stroke.
>Who-hoo! 5.1 centimeter aorta! My kidneys still aren't working
>right and I've gained 22 pounds not eating anything from Tuesday to
>Friday.
>
>And worst of all, my toe to hurts :-(
>
>-sw

Steve, I am very sorry to hear this about you. Heat stroke is
insidious, one minute you are fine and then you're not. It is
serious, take care. Are you on a diuretic?
Janet US

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
>I have been stuck in the hospital for a few days and hope to get out
>tomorrow. I had contacted doctor because I was having some issues, but he
>is not seeing patients. He referred me to a cardiologist and sent me for
>blood work and EKG.
>
> When they did the EKG they would not let me drive him. My pulse was 186. I
> went to the ER and the held me there until there was a room in the
> cardiac unit. They worked to bring down the heart rate but when it refuse
> to cooperate they opted for cardiac inversion. I first had to go through
> an eosophical cardio echogram and that meant fasting.
>
>
> Not a pleasant procedure to get that down, but I was frozen and well
> sedated. once they determined there was no risk of clots they pulled out
> the scope, knocked me out with with the crdiologist clled his Michael
> Jackson drug. The idea was to shock my heart stop it and then another
> shock to restart it at a normal rhythm. They tried three times....
> so...another day of intervenous drugs and now I am on pills and plan o be
> home tomorrow.
>
> It looks like I will have to learn to live with congestive heart failure.

Wow. Very sorry.

On 23/08/2020 21:54, Silvar Beitel wrote:

>> It looks like I will have to learn to live with congestive heart failure.
>
> Sorry about your being in hospital.
>
> Your symptoms and treatment sounds like AFib (atrial fibrillation). Did they mention/diagnose that? Or is it something else?
>
I thought the same. There are some remarkable new treatments for AFib,
if the shock treatment doesn't work.

Sqwertz wrote:
>
> On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 15:43:20 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> > I first had to go
> > through an eosophical cardio echogram and that meant fasting.
> >
> > Not a pleasant procedure to get that down, but I was frozen and well
> > sedated.
>
> I had the egg-on-a-rope dropped down into my throat. No sedation,
> ate about 2 hours earlier, and drank about a pint of rum beforehand.
> It was still inconclusive and they went up in me with the wires
> anyway.
>
> And I also just had a CT echocardiogram Tuesday after heat stroke.
> Who-hoo! 5.1 centimeter aorta! My kidneys still aren't working
> right and I've gained 22 pounds not eating anything from Tuesday to
> Friday.
>
> And worst of all, my toe to hurts :-(

Dammit Steve, I do wish you well.

On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 15:43:20 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>I have been stuck in the hospital for a few days and hope to get out
>tomorrow. I had contacted doctor because I was having some issues, but
>he is not seeing patients. He referred me to a cardiologist and sent me
>for blood work and EKG.
>
>When they did the EKG they would not let me drive him. My pulse was 186.
>I went to the ER and the held me there until there was a room in the
>cardiac unit. They worked to bring down the heart rate but when it
>refuse to cooperate they opted for cardiac inversion. I first had to go
>through an eosophical cardio echogram and that meant fasting.
>
>
>Not a pleasant procedure to get that down, but I was frozen and well
>sedated. once they determined there was no risk of clots they pulled out
>the scope, knocked me out with with the crdiologist clled his Michael
>Jackson drug. The idea was to shock my heart stop it and then another
>shock to restart it at a normal rhythm. They tried three times....
>so...another day of intervenous drugs and now I am on pills and plan o
>be home tomorrow.
>
>It looks like I will have to learn to live with congestive heart failure.

Not good. I'm sorry to hear this. My only advice is to follow your
doctors orders.

On 8/24/2020 9:41 AM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 15:43:20 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> I have been stuck in the hospital for a few days and hope to get out
>> tomorrow. I had contacted doctor because I was having some issues, but
>> he is not seeing patients. He referred me to a cardiologist and sent me
>> for blood work and EKG.
>>
>> When they did the EKG they would not let me drive him. My pulse was 186.
>> I went to the ER and the held me there until there was a room in the
>> cardiac unit. They worked to bring down the heart rate but when it
>> refuse to cooperate they opted for cardiac inversion. I first had to go
>> through an eosophical cardio echogram and that meant fasting.
>>
>>
>> Not a pleasant procedure to get that down, but I was frozen and well
>> sedated. once they determined there was no risk of clots they pulled out
>> the scope, knocked me out with with the crdiologist clled his Michael
>> Jackson drug. The idea was to shock my heart stop it and then another
>> shock to restart it at a normal rhythm. They tried three times....
>> so...another day of intervenous drugs and now I am on pills and plan o
>> be home tomorrow.
>>
>> It looks like I will have to learn to live with congestive heart failure.
>
> Not good. I'm sorry to hear this. My only advice is to follow your
> doctors orders.
>


As long as your doctor's name isn't Fauci.

In article >,
says...
> On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 15:43:20 -0400, Dave Smith
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> I have been stuck in the hospital for a few days and hope to get out
> >> tomorrow. I had contacted doctor because I was having some issues, but
> >> he is not seeing patients. He referred me to a cardiologist and sent me
> >> for blood work and EKG.
> >>
> >> When they did the EKG they would not let me drive him. My pulse was 186.
> >> I went to the ER and the held me there until there was a room in the
> >> cardiac unit. They worked to bring down the heart rate but when it
> >> refuse to cooperate they opted for cardiac inversion. I first had to go
> >> through an eosophical cardio echogram and that meant fasting.
> >>
> >>
> >> Not a pleasant procedure to get that down, but I was frozen and well
> >> sedated. once they determined there was no risk of clots they pulled out
> >> the scope, knocked me out with with the crdiologist clled his Michael
> >> Jackson drug. The idea was to shock my heart stop it and then another
> >> shock to restart it at a normal rhythm. They tried three times....
> >> so...another day of intervenous drugs and now I am on pills and plan o
> >> be home tomorrow.
> >>
> >> It looks like I will have to learn to live with congestive heart failure.
>
>
Sorry to hear that David. Take care.

Janet UK

On Sunday, August 23, 2020 at 6:40:31 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2020-08-23 4:54 p.m., Silvar Beitel wrote:
> > On Sunday, August 23, 2020 at 3:43:24 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> I have been stuck in the hospital for a few days and hope to get out
> >> tomorrow. I had contacted doctor because I was having some issues, but
> >> he is not seeing patients. He referred me to a cardiologist and sent me
> >> for blood work and EKG.
> >>
> >> When they did the EKG they would not let me drive him. My pulse was 186.
> >> I went to the ER and the held me there until there was a room in the
> >> cardiac unit. They worked to bring down the heart rate but when it
> >> refuse to cooperate they opted for cardiac inversion. I first had to go
> >> through an eosophical cardio echogram and that meant fasting.
> >>
> >>
> >> Not a pleasant procedure to get that down, but I was frozen and well
> >> sedated. once they determined there was no risk of clots they pulled out
> >> the scope, knocked me out with with the crdiologist clled his Michael
> >> Jackson drug. The idea was to shock my heart stop it and then another
> >> shock to restart it at a normal rhythm. They tried three times....
> >> so...another day of intervenous drugs and now I am on pills and plan o
> >> be home tomorrow.
> >>
> >> It looks like I will have to learn to live with congestive heart failure.
> >
> > Sorry about your being in hospital.
> >
> > Your symptoms and treatment sounds like AFib (atrial fibrillation). Did they mention/diagnose that? Or is it something else?
> >
>
> That's what the pros say. Prognosis is pretty good but it means a big
> changes. 1.5 l of liquid per day, low sodium diet.

I developed persistent Afib 4 1/2 years ago. And, at the time, I was fat, had high BP, bad cholesterol numbers, gout, and an arthritic knee to boot.

Today I am lean, healthy, and fit, haven't had a heart blip in the past 3 years, I walk/hike pain-free, and am not taking *any* drugs. I feel great. I'm probably in better physical shape than I was at age 30.

It has been a long journey, but I planned it out, and it was feasible and not as much work as I worried it might be. No informercial. :-) Just letting you know that there is hope.

Good luck on *your* recovery.

--
Silvar Beitel

U.S. Janet B. wrote:

> On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 15:43:20 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
> > I have been stuck in the hospital for a few days and hope to get
> > out tomorrow. I had contacted doctor because I was having some
> > issues, but he is not seeing patients. He referred me to a
> > cardiologist and sent me for blood work and EKG.
> >
> > When they did the EKG they would not let me drive him. My pulse was
> > 186. I went to the ER and the held me there until there was a
> > room in the cardiac unit. They worked to bring down the heart rate
> > but when it refuse to cooperate they opted for cardiac inversion. I
> > first had to go through an eosophical cardio echogram and that
> > meant fasting.
> >
> >
> > Not a pleasant procedure to get that down, but I was frozen and
> > well sedated. once they determined there was no risk of clots they
> > pulled out the scope, knocked me out with with the crdiologist
> > clled his Michael Jackson drug. The idea was to shock my heart
> > stop it and then another shock to restart it at a normal rhythm.
> > They tried three times.... so...another day of intervenous drugs
> > and now I am on pills and plan o be home tomorrow.
> >
> > It looks like I will have to learn to live with congestive heart
> > failure.
>
> I am really, really sorry to hear this about you. Please mind the
> doctors and instructions. We want you around for awhile yet.
> Hugs
> Janet US

Same here. Take care Dave.

On 2020-08-24 9:07 p.m., cshenk wrote:
> U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>
>
>>> It looks like I will have to learn to live with congestive heart
>>> failure.
>>
>> I am really, really sorry to hear this about you. Please mind the
>> doctors and instructions. We want you around for awhile yet.
>> Hugs
>> Janet US
>
> Same here. Take care Dave.
>

Thanks Carol. There was a different cardiologist on duty today. They are
planning on two more days here and if they can get my heart rate a
little lower they will try another inversion. Thanks good drugs I will
be out of it for couple minutes and not feel thing. That part of the
procedure on Saturday was a breeze. The eosophical ecohcardiogran OTOW
is something I would be happy to never every have to go through again.

On 8/24/2020 9:42 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2020-08-24 9:07 p.m., cshenk wrote:

>> Same here.Â* Take care Dave.
>>
>
> Thanks Carol. There was a different cardiologist on duty today. They are
> planning on two more days here andÂ* if they can get my heart rateÂ* a
> little lower they will try another inversion. Thanks good drugs I will
> be out of it forÂ* couple minutes and not feelÂ* thing. That part of the
> procedure on Saturday was a breeze. The eosophical ecohcardiogran OTOW
> is something I would be happy to never every have to go through again.

Some of the drugs like Amiodarone require in hospital monitoring for
three days. They probably want to see what the drugs do before a
cardioversion.

Everyone is different but they still have more tricks to get you fixed
up. Ablation and implant devices can help too. The worst part is the
frequent follow up doctor visits initially.

Meantime, rest and let them do their thing. Won't be too long to be back
to a normal routine.

Dave Smith wrote:
....
> Not a pleasant procedure to get that down, but I was frozen and well
> sedated. once they determined there was no risk of clots they pulled out
> the scope, knocked me out with with the crdiologist clled his Michael
> Jackson drug. The idea was to shock my heart stop it and then another
> shock to restart it at a normal rhythm. They tried three times....
> so...another day of intervenous drugs and now I am on pills and plan o
> be home tomorrow.
>
> It looks like I will have to learn to live with congestive heart failure.

i've never heard of such a thing before and i have
always thought that was what pacemakers were for to
control the heart rate.

i hope the meds/docs can help! it's pretty amazing
what they can do these days.


songbird

On 8/25/2020 8:31 AM, songbird wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
> ...
>> Not a pleasant procedure to get that down, but I was frozen and well
>> sedated. once they determined there was no risk of clots they pulled out
>> the scope, knocked me out with with the crdiologist clled his Michael
>> Jackson drug. The idea was to shock my heart stop it and then another
>> shock to restart it at a normal rhythm. They tried three times....
>> so...another day of intervenous drugs and now I am on pills and plan o
>> be home tomorrow.
>>
>> It looks like I will have to learn to live with congestive heart failure.
>
> i've never heard of such a thing before and i have
> always thought that was what pacemakers were for to
> control the heart rate.
>
> i hope the meds/docs can help! it's pretty amazing
> what they can do these days.
>
>
> songbird
>
Pacemakers are for slow heartbeat. Most CHF has very fast.

Many of us never heard of Congestive Heart Failure and when the doctor
says "you have heart failure" is is a moment of panic. It just means
the heart is not functioning properly. Very treatable and you can live
with it for many years.

Dave Smith wrote:

> On 2020-08-24 9:07 p.m., cshenk wrote:
> > U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> >
> >
> > > > It looks like I will have to learn to live with congestive heart
> > > > failure.
> > >
> > > I am really, really sorry to hear this about you. Please mind the
> > > doctors and instructions. We want you around for awhile yet.
> > > Hugs
> > > Janet US
> >
> > Same here. Take care Dave.
> >
>
> Thanks Carol. There was a different cardiologist on duty today. They
> are planning on two more days here and if they can get my heart rate
> a little lower they will try another inversion. Thanks good drugs I
> will be out of it for couple minutes and not feel thing. That part
> of the procedure on Saturday was a breeze. The eosophical
> ecohcardiogran OTOW is something I would be happy to never every have
> to go through again.

Good luck Dave.

You will get dietician assistance but the inital may be so 'mainstream
USA' that they don't work very well for you. It's very common.

The Doctor may not know how to see if papaya or eels (just a random
thing you may or may not like I typed in) are good for you.

The recommended diet is apt to be just 4-6 vegetables, 3-4 fruits, 3
meats, and 3 'dairy'. 2-4 grains. Until you get with the dietician,
you can't get enough specifics for your MG sodium, protein, potassium
etc. per day. Once you have them, you can look up a about 10K worth of
items for those details.

Then you take them (probably email) to your dietician and they validate.

It's probably not recalled well, but I helped a kidney cancer and
stomach cancer patient out here in the newsgroup. Both were told to
run my findings through medical to make sure I was right and they
panned out from medical.

Now to find that link again.... Win10 is being a little akward but I'll
find it and have posted it before.

On 8/25/2020 11:09 PM, cshenk wrote:

> You will get dietician assistance but the inital may be so 'mainstream
> USA' that they don't work very well for you. It's very common.
>
> The Doctor may not know how to see if papaya or eels (just a random
> thing you may or may not like I typed in) are good for you.
>
> The recommended diet is apt to be just 4-6 vegetables, 3-4 fruits, 3
> meats, and 3 'dairy'. 2-4 grains. Until you get with the dietician,
> you can't get enough specifics for your MG sodium, protein, potassium
> etc. per day. Once you have them, you can look up a about 10K worth of
> items for those details.
>
> Then you take them (probably email) to your dietician and they validate.
>
> It's probably not recalled well, but I helped a kidney cancer and
> stomach cancer patient out here in the newsgroup. Both were told to
> run my findings through medical to make sure I was right and they
> panned out from medical.
>
> Now to find that link again.... Win10 is being a little akward but I'll
> find it and have posted it before.
>

I have little regard for dieticians. When my wife had CHF they had her
go to a Dietician meeting with a handful of others in similar situation.

Dietician said do not eat sausage as it is bad for you. So, I asked,
"is it OK to eat ground pork?" Yes. OK to season it with oregano,
rosemary, pepper and a few other herbs? Yes, that is OK.

Don't drink milkshakes, bad for you. So I asked is milk OK? Sure that
is OK. Is a little ice cream OK? Yes, that is OK.

Hamburgers? No bad. Ground beef? Sure, lean is OK.

A couple of the others caught on but the professional dietician never
did.

On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 23:36:09 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 8/25/2020 11:09 PM, cshenk wrote:
>
>> You will get dietician assistance but the inital may be so 'mainstream
>> USA' that they don't work very well for you. It's very common.
>>
>> The Doctor may not know how to see if papaya or eels (just a random
>> thing you may or may not like I typed in) are good for you.
>>
>> The recommended diet is apt to be just 4-6 vegetables, 3-4 fruits, 3
>> meats, and 3 'dairy'. 2-4 grains. Until you get with the dietician,
>> you can't get enough specifics for your MG sodium, protein, potassium
>> etc. per day. Once you have them, you can look up a about 10K worth of
>> items for those details.
>>
>> Then you take them (probably email) to your dietician and they validate.
>>
>> It's probably not recalled well, but I helped a kidney cancer and
>> stomach cancer patient out here in the newsgroup. Both were told to
>> run my findings through medical to make sure I was right and they
>> panned out from medical.
>>
>> Now to find that link again.... Win10 is being a little akward but I'll
>> find it and have posted it before.
>>
>
>I have little regard for dieticians. When my wife had CHF they had her
>go to a Dietician meeting with a handful of others in similar situation.
>
>Dietician said do not eat sausage as it is bad for you. So, I asked,
>"is it OK to eat ground pork?" Yes. OK to season it with oregano,
>rosemary, pepper and a few other herbs? Yes, that is OK.

They add chemicals to sausages that you wouldn't add when you have
ground pork with herbs at home. Stuff that made the WHO say sausage is
as bad for you as smoking.

>Don't drink milkshakes, bad for you. So I asked is milk OK? Sure that
>is OK. Is a little ice cream OK? Yes, that is OK.

Maybe milk PLUS ice cream is too much of otherwise ok stuff?

>Hamburgers? No bad. Ground beef? Sure, lean is OK.

I didn't think hamburgers were made of only lean meat.

>A couple of the others caught on but the professional dietician never
>did.

Maybe they caught on better than you realised

On 25/08/2020 17:52, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> Pacemakers are for slow heartbeat.Â* Most CHF has very fast.
>
Pacemakers can also be used for uncontrolled rapid heartbeat in atrial
fibrillation- the AV node is ablated, and a pacemaker then sets the
heartrate.

On Tuesday, August 25, 2020 at 11:36:15 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 8/25/2020 11:09 PM, cshenk wrote:
>
> > You will get dietician assistance but the inital may be so 'mainstream
> > USA' that they don't work very well for you. It's very common.
> >
> > The Doctor may not know how to see if papaya or eels (just a random
> > thing you may or may not like I typed in) are good for you.
> >
> > The recommended diet is apt to be just 4-6 vegetables, 3-4 fruits, 3
> > meats, and 3 'dairy'. 2-4 grains. Until you get with the dietician,
> > you can't get enough specifics for your MG sodium, protein, potassium
> > etc. per day. Once you have them, you can look up a about 10K worth of
> > items for those details.
> >
> > Then you take them (probably email) to your dietician and they validate.
> >
> > It's probably not recalled well, but I helped a kidney cancer and
> > stomach cancer patient out here in the newsgroup. Both were told to
> > run my findings through medical to make sure I was right and they
> > panned out from medical.
> >
> > Now to find that link again.... Win10 is being a little akward but I'll
> > find it and have posted it before.
> >
> I have little regard for dieticians. When my wife had CHF they had her
> go to a Dietician meeting with a handful of others in similar situation.
>
> Dietician said do not eat sausage as it is bad for you. So, I asked,
> "is it OK to eat ground pork?" Yes. OK to season it with oregano,
> rosemary, pepper and a few other herbs? Yes, that is OK.

It's worth mentioning that that USDA standard for ground pork is leaner
than the standard for pork sausage.

Not that I expected the dietician knew that. Nor that it applies to Dave.

Cindy Hamilton

On Wed, 26 Aug 2020 02:58:01 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, August 25, 2020 at 11:36:15 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> >
>> I have little regard for dieticians. When my wife had CHF they had her
>> go to a Dietician meeting with a handful of others in similar situation.
>>
>> Dietician said do not eat sausage as it is bad for you. So, I asked,
>> "is it OK to eat ground pork?" Yes. OK to season it with oregano,
>> rosemary, pepper and a few other herbs? Yes, that is OK.
>
>It's worth mentioning that that USDA standard for ground pork is leaner
>than the standard for pork sausage.

All in all, I think Ed was a bit out of his depth when he thought he
knew better than the dietician

On Wed, 26 Aug 2020 07:57:11 +0100, S Viemeister
> wrote:

> Pacemakers can also be used for uncontrolled rapid heartbeat in atrial
> fibrillation- the AV node is ablated, and a pacemaker then sets the
> heartrate.

I am a case in point and have been since mid-January 2019.
--
Bob

--
Bob
St Francis would have done better to preach to the cats

On 8/26/2020 12:28 AM, Bruce wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 23:36:09 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 8/25/2020 11:09 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>
>>> You will get dietician assistance but the inital may be so 'mainstream
>>> USA' that they don't work very well for you. It's very common.
>>>
>>> The Doctor may not know how to see if papaya or eels (just a random
>>> thing you may or may not like I typed in) are good for you.
>>>
>>> The recommended diet is apt to be just 4-6 vegetables, 3-4 fruits, 3
>>> meats, and 3 'dairy'. 2-4 grains. Until you get with the dietician,
>>> you can't get enough specifics for your MG sodium, protein, potassium
>>> etc. per day. Once you have them, you can look up a about 10K worth of
>>> items for those details.
>>>
>>> Then you take them (probably email) to your dietician and they validate.
>>>
>>> It's probably not recalled well, but I helped a kidney cancer and
>>> stomach cancer patient out here in the newsgroup. Both were told to
>>> run my findings through medical to make sure I was right and they
>>> panned out from medical.
>>>
>>> Now to find that link again.... Win10 is being a little akward but I'll
>>> find it and have posted it before.
>>>
>>
>> I have little regard for dieticians. When my wife had CHF they had her
>> go to a Dietician meeting with a handful of others in similar situation.
>>
>> Dietician said do not eat sausage as it is bad for you. So, I asked,
>> "is it OK to eat ground pork?" Yes. OK to season it with oregano,
>> rosemary, pepper and a few other herbs? Yes, that is OK.
>
> They add chemicals to sausages that you wouldn't add when you have
> ground pork with herbs at home. Stuff that made the WHO say sausage is
> as bad for you as smoking.

I even mentioned homemade, still a no. What I make is far leaner and
less sodium that commercial stuff but she was just hung up on "sausage"

>
>> Don't drink milkshakes, bad for you. So I asked is milk OK? Sure that
>> is OK. Is a little ice cream OK? Yes, that is OK.
>
> Maybe milk PLUS ice cream is too much of otherwise ok stuff?

Moderation.
>
>> Hamburgers? No bad. Ground beef? Sure, lean is OK.
>
> I didn't think hamburgers were made of only lean meat.

Depends. Commercial stuff often fatty but homemade can be lean.

>
>> A couple of the others caught on but the professional dietician never
>> did.
>
> Maybe they caught on better than you realised
>
If not in her book she had no clue.

On Wed, 26 Aug 2020 11:49:46 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 8/26/2020 12:28 AM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 23:36:09 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/25/2020 11:09 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>>
>>>> You will get dietician assistance but the inital may be so 'mainstream
>>>> USA' that they don't work very well for you. It's very common.
>>>>
>>>> The Doctor may not know how to see if papaya or eels (just a random
>>>> thing you may or may not like I typed in) are good for you.
>>>>
>>>> The recommended diet is apt to be just 4-6 vegetables, 3-4 fruits, 3
>>>> meats, and 3 'dairy'. 2-4 grains. Until you get with the dietician,
>>>> you can't get enough specifics for your MG sodium, protein, potassium
>>>> etc. per day. Once you have them, you can look up a about 10K worth of
>>>> items for those details.
>>>>
>>>> Then you take them (probably email) to your dietician and they validate.
>>>>
>>>> It's probably not recalled well, but I helped a kidney cancer and
>>>> stomach cancer patient out here in the newsgroup. Both were told to
>>>> run my findings through medical to make sure I was right and they
>>>> panned out from medical.
>>>>
>>>> Now to find that link again.... Win10 is being a little akward but I'll
>>>> find it and have posted it before.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I have little regard for dieticians. When my wife had CHF they had her
>>> go to a Dietician meeting with a handful of others in similar situation.
>>>
>>> Dietician said do not eat sausage as it is bad for you. So, I asked,
>>> "is it OK to eat ground pork?" Yes. OK to season it with oregano,
>>> rosemary, pepper and a few other herbs? Yes, that is OK.
>>
>> They add chemicals to sausages that you wouldn't add when you have
>> ground pork with herbs at home. Stuff that made the WHO say sausage is
>> as bad for you as smoking.
>
>I even mentioned homemade, still a no. What I make is far leaner and
>less sodium that commercial stuff but she was just hung up on "sausage"

What you make at home is better than commercial sausages, since you
probably don't add the same chemicals. So he or she said yes to what
you make at home and no to commercial sausages. Doesn't that make
sense?

>>> Don't drink milkshakes, bad for you. So I asked is milk OK? Sure that
>>> is OK. Is a little ice cream OK? Yes, that is OK.
>>
>> Maybe milk PLUS ice cream is too much of otherwise ok stuff?
>
>Moderation.
>>
>>> Hamburgers? No bad. Ground beef? Sure, lean is OK.
>>
>> I didn't think hamburgers were made of only lean meat.
>
>Depends. Commercial stuff often fatty but homemade can be lean.

And therefore yes to home made and no to store bought again.

On 8/26/2020 2:59 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Aug 2020 11:49:46 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 8/26/2020 12:28 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 23:36:09 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 8/25/2020 11:09 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You will get dietician assistance but the inital may be so 'mainstream
>>>>> USA' that they don't work very well for you. It's very common.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Doctor may not know how to see if papaya or eels (just a random
>>>>> thing you may or may not like I typed in) are good for you.
>>>>>
>>>>> The recommended diet is apt to be just 4-6 vegetables, 3-4 fruits, 3
>>>>> meats, and 3 'dairy'. 2-4 grains. Until you get with the dietician,
>>>>> you can't get enough specifics for your MG sodium, protein, potassium
>>>>> etc. per day. Once you have them, you can look up a about 10K worth of
>>>>> items for those details.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then you take them (probably email) to your dietician and they validate.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's probably not recalled well, but I helped a kidney cancer and
>>>>> stomach cancer patient out here in the newsgroup. Both were told to
>>>>> run my findings through medical to make sure I was right and they
>>>>> panned out from medical.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now to find that link again.... Win10 is being a little akward but I'll
>>>>> find it and have posted it before.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have little regard for dieticians. When my wife had CHF they had her
>>>> go to a Dietician meeting with a handful of others in similar situation.
>>>>
>>>> Dietician said do not eat sausage as it is bad for you. So, I asked,
>>>> "is it OK to eat ground pork?" Yes. OK to season it with oregano,
>>>> rosemary, pepper and a few other herbs? Yes, that is OK.
>>>
>>> They add chemicals to sausages that you wouldn't add when you have
>>> ground pork with herbs at home. Stuff that made the WHO say sausage is
>>> as bad for you as smoking.
>>
>> I even mentioned homemade, still a no. What I make is far leaner and
>> less sodium that commercial stuff but she was just hung up on "sausage"
>
> What you make at home is better than commercial sausages, since you
> probably don't add the same chemicals. So he or she said yes to what
> you make at home and no to commercial sausages. Doesn't that make
> sense?
>
>>>> Don't drink milkshakes, bad for you. So I asked is milk OK? Sure that
>>>> is OK. Is a little ice cream OK? Yes, that is OK.
>>>
>>> Maybe milk PLUS ice cream is too much of otherwise ok stuff?
>>
>> Moderation.
>>>
>>>> Hamburgers? No bad. Ground beef? Sure, lean is OK.
>>>
>>> I didn't think hamburgers were made of only lean meat.
>>
>> Depends. Commercial stuff often fatty but homemade can be lean.
>
> And therefore yes to home made and no to store bought again.
>

Except she said no to any of it. There is much more to the conversation
than practical to put here.

Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Aug 2020 11:49:46 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 8/26/2020 12:28 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 23:36:09 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 8/25/2020 11:09 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You will get dietician assistance but the inital may be so 'mainstream
>>>>> USA' that they don't work very well for you. It's very common.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Doctor may not know how to see if papaya or eels (just a random
>>>>> thing you may or may not like I typed in) are good for you.
>>>>>
>>>>> The recommended diet is apt to be just 4-6 vegetables, 3-4 fruits, 3
>>>>> meats, and 3 'dairy'. 2-4 grains. Until you get with the dietician,
>>>>> you can't get enough specifics for your MG sodium, protein, potassium
>>>>> etc. per day. Once you have them, you can look up a about 10K worth of
>>>>> items for those details.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then you take them (probably email) to your dietician and they validate.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's probably not recalled well, but I helped a kidney cancer and
>>>>> stomach cancer patient out here in the newsgroup. Both were told to
>>>>> run my findings through medical to make sure I was right and they
>>>>> panned out from medical.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now to find that link again.... Win10 is being a little akward but I'll
>>>>> find it and have posted it before.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have little regard for dieticians. When my wife had CHF they had her
>>>> go to a Dietician meeting with a handful of others in similar situation.
>>>>
>>>> Dietician said do not eat sausage as it is bad for you. So, I asked,
>>>> "is it OK to eat ground pork?" Yes. OK to season it with oregano,
>>>> rosemary, pepper and a few other herbs? Yes, that is OK.
>>>
>>> They add chemicals to sausages that you wouldn't add when you have
>>> ground pork with herbs at home. Stuff that made the WHO say sausage is
>>> as bad for you as smoking.
>>
>> I even mentioned homemade, still a no. What I make is far leaner and
>> less sodium that commercial stuff but she was just hung up on "sausage"
>
> What you make at home is better than commercial sausages, since you
> probably don't add the same chemicals. So he or she said yes to what
> you make at home and no to commercial sausages. Doesn't that make
> sense?
>
>>>> Don't drink milkshakes, bad for you. So I asked is milk OK? Sure that
>>>> is OK. Is a little ice cream OK? Yes, that is OK.
>>>
>>> Maybe milk PLUS ice cream is too much of otherwise ok stuff?
>>
>> Moderation.
>>>
>>>> Hamburgers? No bad. Ground beef? Sure, lean is OK.
>>>
>>> I didn't think hamburgers were made of only lean meat.
>>
>> Depends. Commercial stuff often fatty but homemade can be lean.
>
> And therefore yes to home made and no to store bought again.
>

Druce, it's still industry tortured dead pigs or cows.
And the people involved are evil americans.
What were you thinking?

On 8/25/2020 11:36 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 8/25/2020 11:09 PM, cshenk wrote:
>
>> You will get dietician assistance but the inital may be so 'mainstream
>> USA' that they don't work very well for you.Â* It's very common.
>>
>> The Doctor may not know how to see if papaya or eels (just a random
>> thing you may or may not like I typed in) are good for you.
>>
>> The recommended diet is apt to be just 4-6 vegetables, 3-4 fruits, 3
>> meats, and 3 'dairy'. 2-4 grains.Â* Until you get with the dietician,
>> you can't get enough specifics for your MG sodium, protein, potassium
>> etc. per day.Â* Once you have them, you can look up a about 10K worth of
>> items for those details.
>>
>> Then you take them (probably email) to your dietician and they validate.
>>
>> It's probably not recalled well, but I helped a kidney cancer and
>> stomach cancer patient out here in the newsgroup.Â* Both were told to
>> run my findings through medical to make sure I was right and they
>> panned out from medical.
>>
>> Now to find that link again.... Win10 is being a little akward but I'll
>> find it and have posted it before.
>>
>
> I have little regard for dieticians.Â* When my wife had CHF they had her
> go to a Dietician meeting with a handful of others in similar situation.
>
> Dietician said do not eat sausage as it is bad for you.Â*Â* So, I asked,
> "is it OK to eat ground pork?"Â* Yes.Â* OK to season it with oregano,
> rosemary, pepper and a few other herbs?Â* Yes, that is OK.
>
> Don't drink milkshakes, bad for you.Â* So I asked is milk OK?Â* Sure that
> is OK.Â* Is a little ice cream OK?Â* Yes, that is OK.
>
> Hamburgers?Â* No bad.Â* Ground beef?Â* Sure, lean is OK.
>
> A couple of the others caught on but the professional dietician never did.

That's true, Ed! Besides, this isn't Dave's first rodeo with heart
problems. This is a different diagnosis but I'm sure he's already quite
familiar with what he should and shouldn't eat.

Jill

On 2020-08-26 11:49 a.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 8/26/2020 12:28 AM, Bruce wrote:

>>> A couple of the others caught on but the professional dietician never
>>> did.
>>
>> Maybe they caught on better than you realised
>>
> If not in her book she had no clue.

The dietitian I spoke with today was pretty clueless. She was pretty
good at her normal presentation but it was really hard to get her to
answer. For instance, she talked about using skim milk instead of
homo. My son has issues with me using homo, so she suggested 1%. I told
her I use it only on cereal. Oh, well if that's all you use it on and
don't sit around drinking milk a little homo should be okay.

On Wed, 26 Aug 2020 18:11:47 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2020-08-26 11:49 a.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 8/26/2020 12:28 AM, Bruce wrote:
>
>>>> A couple of the others caught on but the professional dietician never
>>>> did.
>>>
>>> Maybe they caught on better than you realised
>>>
>> If not in her book she had no clue.
>
>The dietitian I spoke with today was pretty clueless. She was pretty
>good at her normal presentation but it was really hard to get her to
>answer. For instance, she talked about using skim milk instead of
>homo. My son has issues with me using homo, so she suggested 1%. I told
>her I use it only on cereal. Oh, well if that's all you use it on and
>don't sit around drinking milk a little homo should be okay.

We might have to delve a bit more into the meaning of "homo".

Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> On 8/25/2020 11:09 PM, cshenk wrote:
>
> > You will get dietician assistance but the inital may be so
> > 'mainstream USA' that they don't work very well for you. It's very
> > common.
> >
> > The Doctor may not know how to see if papaya or eels (just a random
> > thing you may or may not like I typed in) are good for you.
> >
> > The recommended diet is apt to be just 4-6 vegetables, 3-4 fruits, 3
> > meats, and 3 'dairy'. 2-4 grains. Until you get with the dietician,
> > you can't get enough specifics for your MG sodium, protein,
> > potassium etc. per day. Once you have them, you can look up a
> > about 10K worth of items for those details.
> >
> > Then you take them (probably email) to your dietician and they
> > validate.
> >
> > It's probably not recalled well, but I helped a kidney cancer and
> > stomach cancer patient out here in the newsgroup. Both were told to
> > run my findings through medical to make sure I was right and they
> > panned out from medical.
> >
> > Now to find that link again.... Win10 is being a little akward but
> > I'll find it and have posted it before.
> >
>
> I have little regard for dieticians. When my wife had CHF they had
> her go to a Dietician meeting with a handful of others in similar
> situation.
>
> Dietician said do not eat sausage as it is bad for you. So, I
> asked, "is it OK to eat ground pork?" Yes. OK to season it with
> oregano, rosemary, pepper and a few other herbs? Yes, that is OK.
>
> Don't drink milkshakes, bad for you. So I asked is milk OK? Sure
> that is OK. Is a little ice cream OK? Yes, that is OK.
>
> Hamburgers? No bad. Ground beef? Sure, lean is OK.
>
> A couple of the others caught on but the professional dietician never
> did.

Sad smile, sometimes, you get a bad one. Lets hope Dave gets a good one.

On 8/26/2020 9:40 PM, cshenk wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> On 8/25/2020 11:09 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>
>>> You will get dietician assistance but the inital may be so
>>> 'mainstream USA' that they don't work very well for you. It's very
>>> common.
>>>
>>> The Doctor may not know how to see if papaya or eels (just a random
>>> thing you may or may not like I typed in) are good for you.
>>>
>>> The recommended diet is apt to be just 4-6 vegetables, 3-4 fruits, 3
>>> meats, and 3 'dairy'. 2-4 grains. Until you get with the dietician,
>>> you can't get enough specifics for your MG sodium, protein,
>>> potassium etc. per day. Once you have them, you can look up a
>>> about 10K worth of items for those details.
>>>
>>> Then you take them (probably email) to your dietician and they
>>> validate.
>>>
>>> It's probably not recalled well, but I helped a kidney cancer and
>>> stomach cancer patient out here in the newsgroup. Both were told to
>>> run my findings through medical to make sure I was right and they
>>> panned out from medical.
>>>
>>> Now to find that link again.... Win10 is being a little akward but
>>> I'll find it and have posted it before.
>>>
>>
>> I have little regard for dieticians. When my wife had CHF they had
>> her go to a Dietician meeting with a handful of others in similar
>> situation.
>>
>> Dietician said do not eat sausage as it is bad for you. So, I
>> asked, "is it OK to eat ground pork?" Yes. OK to season it with
>> oregano, rosemary, pepper and a few other herbs? Yes, that is OK.
>>
>> Don't drink milkshakes, bad for you. So I asked is milk OK? Sure
>> that is OK. Is a little ice cream OK? Yes, that is OK.
>>
>> Hamburgers? No bad. Ground beef? Sure, lean is OK.
>>
>> A couple of the others caught on but the professional dietician never
>> did.
>
> Sad smile, sometimes, you get a bad one. Lets hope Dave gets a good one.
>
I don't think Dave needs a dietitian. He's had bypass surgery in the
past and has been through a gamut of "what not to eat" scenarios.

Jill

Dave Smith wrote:

> On 2020-08-26 11:49 a.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 8/26/2020 12:28 AM, Bruce wrote:
>
> > > > A couple of the others caught on but the professional dietician
> > > > never did.
> > >
> > > Maybe they caught on better than you realised
> > >
> > If not in her book she had no clue.
>
> The dietitian I spoke with today was pretty clueless. She was pretty
> good at her normal presentation but it was really hard to get her to
> answer. For instance, she talked about using skim milk instead of
> homo. My son has issues with me using homo, so she suggested 1%. I
> told her I use it only on cereal. Oh, well if that's all you use it
> on and don't sit around drinking milk a little homo should be okay.

What you will need is the actual dietary limits per day you are
supposed to hit. A dietician is supposed to make a diet based on
those. The whole reason for a dietician, is to have a tailored diet
that fits your needs.

If it gets where you can't get answers, FIRE her and ask for another
who knows the job and specify, you need the values of sodium,
potassium, cholestrol, other fats, and sugars split by glucose and
fructose. If you had kidney issues, you'd need protien allowances
badly because depending on type, that value varies wildly.

This link is not in depth but webmd is pretty reputable.

https://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/...-heart-failure

My comments:
Limit salt to 1500mg a day. Most people with actual congestive heart
issues seem to be salt reactive. A simple check to see if your
dietician is an idiot is to ask if you can eat tomatoes. If they say
no, they are an idiot. Tomatoes themselves are low sodium. Many
preserved tomato products are high sodium but check for the larger cans
at the bottom shelves. Some of the off brands are as low as 25mg per
1/2c.

Watch all canned goods. Often the lowest ones are not even marked 'low
sodium'. Be sure to check portion size. Manufacturers try to lowball
there by pretending something is 3-4 servings when you know it's 1.

Specific recipe made today:
1 cup dry rice, 2c water, 1 bullion cube (1100mg sodium in that one),
Vadouvan curry blend. Yield, 3 cups or 12 1/4c servings which is what
Don uses. 91mg sodium per 1/4c. He had 182mg worth with dinner and
will make a 'fried rice patty' of 1/2c with his eggs tomorrow morning.

Test for Dietician: Is MSG bad for you? If answer is unqualifed yes,
FIRE them. If answer is in moderation, ok. If answer is: yes and used
in moderation can assist in reducing sodium intake, that's a keeper
dietician most likely.

Thats a start.

Are you used to label reading? It can be consusing at the start.
Don't be bashful if you want a more in depth run down on it.
Otherwise, I will assume you know this one.

On 2020-08-26 9:40 p.m., cshenk wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:

>> Don't drink milkshakes, bad for you. So I asked is milk OK? Sure
>> that is OK. Is a little ice cream OK? Yes, that is OK.
>>
>> Hamburgers? No bad. Ground beef? Sure, lean is OK.
>>
>> A couple of the others caught on but the professional dietician never
>> did.
>
> Sad smile, sometimes, you get a bad one. Lets hope Dave gets a good one.
>
I was not impressed with this one. She had a good script but had a
hard time answering questions.

I am going to have to get used to being hungry. I damned near starved
in the hospital. I was missed a number of meals due to fasting for tests
and miscommunication. When I did get meal they were tiny portions,
typically 3-4 oz of meat and a large serving of one vegetable. In night
it was peas, one night corn and one night a mixture of broccoli and
cauliflower, sometimes a small bowl of applesauce or Jello.