On 21:44 2 Sep 2020, Bryan Simmons said:
> On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 3:24:00 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> On Wed, 2 Sep 2020 13:19:07 -0700 (PDT), Bryan Simmons
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 12:08:49 PM UTC-5, Pamela wrote:
>>
>> >> No doubt but what about Bryan getting assistance with coming to
>> >> terms with a difficult relationship. It surfaces quite frequently in
>> >> his posts.
>> >
>> >
>> >Because I'm a mean-ass, and would like to see my enemies die? I have
>> >contempt for the ****ing weaklings who need "assistance."
>> If you break a leg, you need assistance too.
>
> Hey, I'm down with psychiatry, but a 59 YO getting ****ing "counseling"
> about his relationship with his father?

You certainly have unresolved issues about that relationship. If not
counselling then what will you do to stop complaining about the past and
seeking sympathy in cookery group? I mean, who here really is interested
about your father one way or the other?

On 20:50 2 Sep 2020, Bryan Simmons said:

> On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 6:37:36 AM UTC-5, Pamela wrote:
>> On 02:08 2 Sep 2020, Bryan Simmons said:
>> >
>> > I didn't even know about canned spaghetti until I saw Spagettios
>> > commercials. We have a vibrant Italian community in St. Louis. It's
>> > called, "The Hill," but my father called it, "Dago Hill." Even
>> > Italians
>
>> > weren't White enough for his White supremacist ass.
>> >
>> > --Bryan
>> I don't know the background but the way you put it, you make him sound
>> like a member of the KKK. I've only read a few of your posts but have
>> already sevrral references to your relationship with your father. Do
>> you think counselling would help?
>
> He admired the KKK, but was never a member or participant. I don't need
> counseling. Shit, I pretty much wrote that ****er off very early. He
> didn't mess with me much. I think he was kind of scared of me. He quit
> hitting me before I turned 5, after I told him that he could beat me to
> death, but I wouldn't cry for him because I knew he didn't love me.
> When I was about 8, he fell off a ladder and hurt himself, and he told
> me that he thought that I had "wished it on him." At the time I just
> thought that he was acknowledging that I had animosity toward him, but
> ****, who knows? When the ****er died, I wasn't the only one of his
> kids who thought, "good riddance." He died when my son was 13 months
> old, and he never saw his grandson.
>
> Maybe somehow he sensed that I knew that I could kill him in his sleep
> and get away with it. I'm glad it didn't come to that because it would
> have had a devastating economic effect on my family. Yes, at the age of
> five I knew that I could kill him and then tell the police that he would
> "never beat me with a belt again."
>
> Haha. Counseling.
>
> --Bryan

If you are beyond counselling then how about medication. I'm assuming you
don't want to be bitter for the rest of your life. It's sad to see you
inject rage and self-pity in almost every post. Perhaps those early drugs
messed with you permanently and this is your norm.

On 20:27 2 Sep 2020, dsi1 said:
>
> Most Americans are racists and they don't even know it. If you think
> that somebody, even if they're an American, should go back to the
> country where they belong, yeah - you're a racist alright. OTOH, you
> don't want to know what the Chinese think about white people.

Gweilo and all the rest. I like the Chinese for being so unaffected.
"Politically correct" has a very different meaning in China.

On 20:27 2 Sep 2020, GM said:
> Bryan Simmons wrote:
>>
>>
>> About 16-17 years ago worked with a guy from central Africa who said
>> that Black Americans are lazy, and that Hutus are hardly even human.
>
> Used to have many immigrant/refugee black clients from Africa,
> Caribbean, etc. Many too thought US blacks were lazy, and a number of
> African - Americans I've met thought these immigrant blacks were
> "uppity". Basically, these are two groups who do *not* like each
> other...the immigrants used *really* racist language when referring to
> African - Americans...
>
> Several times during our first meetings, the immigrants would say stuff
> like, "Please understand, I am NOT like these lazy stupid American
> blacks", etc...

That seems to be a common outlook and surpised me the first time.

Similarly, the casual observer might equate Pakistanis and Indians (we have
as many of each in the UK as we have blacks of any origin). As it happens
Pakistanis and Indians in the UK hate each other with a vengeance.

And both hate blacks.

All three resent whites. I need a Venn diagram!

Pamela wrote:

> On 20:50 2 Sep 2020, Bryan Simmons said:
>
> > On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 6:37:36 AM UTC-5, Pamela wrote:
> >> On 02:08 2 Sep 2020, Bryan Simmons said:
> >> >
> >> > I didn't even know about canned spaghetti until I saw Spagettios
> >> > commercials. We have a vibrant Italian community in St. Louis. It's
> >> > called, "The Hill," but my father called it, "Dago Hill." Even
> >> > Italians
> >
> >> > weren't White enough for his White supremacist ass.
> >> >
> >> > --Bryan
> >> I don't know the background but the way you put it, you make him sound
> >> like a member of the KKK. I've only read a few of your posts but have
> >> already sevrral references to your relationship with your father. Do
> >> you think counselling would help?
> >
> > He admired the KKK, but was never a member or participant. I don't need
> > counseling. Shit, I pretty much wrote that ****er off very early. He
> > didn't mess with me much. I think he was kind of scared of me. He quit
> > hitting me before I turned 5, after I told him that he could beat me to
> > death, but I wouldn't cry for him because I knew he didn't love me.
> > When I was about 8, he fell off a ladder and hurt himself, and he told
> > me that he thought that I had "wished it on him." At the time I just
> > thought that he was acknowledging that I had animosity toward him, but
> > ****, who knows? When the ****er died, I wasn't the only one of his
> > kids who thought, "good riddance." He died when my son was 13 months
> > old, and he never saw his grandson.
> >
> > Maybe somehow he sensed that I knew that I could kill him in his sleep
> > and get away with it. I'm glad it didn't come to that because it would
> > have had a devastating economic effect on my family. Yes, at the age of
> > five I knew that I could kill him and then tell the police that he would
> > "never beat me with a belt again."
> >
> > Haha. Counseling.
> >
> > --Bryan
>
> If you are beyond counselling then how about medication. I'm assuming you
> don't want to be bitter for the rest of your life. It's sad to see you
> inject rage and self-pity in almost every post. Perhaps those early drugs
> messed with you permanently and this is your norm.


Bugger off with your shite Agony Aunt mewlings, you hare - brained ****.

On 20:22 2 Sep 2020, Bruce said:

> On Wed, 2 Sep 2020 14:05:40 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>
>>In article >,
says...
>>> Subject: Sqwertzstyle Slioppy Joes
>>> From: dsi1 >
>>> Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 1, 2020 at 8:44:52 AM UTC-10, Pamela wrote:
>>> > [quoted text muted]
>>> >
>>> > So "spaghetti sauce" in America is another name for tomato sauce
>>> > which is also called "marinara sauce"? That's an interesting use of
>>> > terms I haven't met before. I'm more familiar with the Italian
>>> > meaning and, of course, British meaning.
>>>
>>> My guess it's because spaghetti is more popular in America than in
>>> Europe.
>>
>> You guessed hopelessly wrong, again
>
> Spaghetti's popular in the entire western world. You have a carb and
> you can add to it everything you have laying around. What's not to
> like?

I find it strange to hear Americans talk of long pasta as "noodles" which
many Brits consider to be only Asian. For us, the characteristics of noodles
and pasta are different.

On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 12:03:08 PM UTC-10, Pamela wrote:
> On 20:27 2 Sep 2020, dsi1 said:
> >
> > Most Americans are racists and they don't even know it. If you think
> > that somebody, even if they're an American, should go back to the
> > country where they belong, yeah - you're a racist alright. OTOH, you
> > don't want to know what the Chinese think about white people.
>
> Gweilo and all the rest. I like the Chinese for being so unaffected.
> "Politically correct" has a very different meaning in China.

Like most people, the Chinese won't hassle you if you treat them with respect and don't dis them - at least to their face. OTOH, my brother was in Beijing during the anti-American protests/riots. He's a pilot and while his co-workers were stuck in their hotel, he was able to roam the streets freely.

Dirty little secret: Asians, for the most part, can't tell other kinds of Asians apart from each other. They pretty much look all the same to us. Just remember to make short eye contact with other people and don't open your mouth. <];O

On Wed, 02 Sep 2020 23:12:00 +0100, Pamela >
wrote:

>On 20:22 2 Sep 2020, Bruce said:
>
>> On Wed, 2 Sep 2020 14:05:40 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>>
>>>In article >,
says...
>>>> Subject: Sqwertzstyle Slioppy Joes
>>>> From: dsi1 >
>>>> Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, September 1, 2020 at 8:44:52 AM UTC-10, Pamela wrote:
>>>> > [quoted text muted]
>>>> >
>>>> > So "spaghetti sauce" in America is another name for tomato sauce
>>>> > which is also called "marinara sauce"? That's an interesting use of
>>>> > terms I haven't met before. I'm more familiar with the Italian
>>>> > meaning and, of course, British meaning.
>>>>
>>>> My guess it's because spaghetti is more popular in America than in
>>>> Europe.
>>>
>>> You guessed hopelessly wrong, again
>>
>> Spaghetti's popular in the entire western world. You have a carb and
>> you can add to it everything you have laying around. What's not to
>> like?
>
>I find it strange to hear Americans talk of long pasta as "noodles" which
>many Brits consider to be only Asian. For us, the characteristics of noodles
>and pasta are different.

Americans are easily confused. For one thing, they don't believe there
are countries where people don't speak English. "If English was good
enough for Jesus, it's good enough for us."

On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 12:12:04 PM UTC-10, Pamela wrote:
> On 20:22 2 Sep 2020, Bruce said:
>
> > On Wed, 2 Sep 2020 14:05:40 +0100, Janet > wrote:
> >
> >>In article >,
> says...
> >>> Subject: Sqwertzstyle Slioppy Joes
> >>> From: dsi1 >
> >>> Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking
> >>>
> >>> On Tuesday, September 1, 2020 at 8:44:52 AM UTC-10, Pamela wrote:
> >>> > [quoted text muted]
> >>> >
> >>> > So "spaghetti sauce" in America is another name for tomato sauce
> >>> > which is also called "marinara sauce"? That's an interesting use of
> >>> > terms I haven't met before. I'm more familiar with the Italian
> >>> > meaning and, of course, British meaning.
> >>>
> >>> My guess it's because spaghetti is more popular in America than in
> >>> Europe.
> >>
> >> You guessed hopelessly wrong, again
> >
> > Spaghetti's popular in the entire western world. You have a carb and
> > you can add to it everything you have laying around. What's not to
> > like?
>
> I find it strange to hear Americans talk of long pasta as "noodles" which
> many Brits consider to be only Asian. For us, the characteristics of noodles
> and pasta are different.

That's good to know. Thanks. My dad was in Sweden and a chef said he could make a real bowl of Hawaiian saimin. This greatly excited my dad. So he says "Shots man!" The Swede gave him some spaghetti in chicken soup. That makes me just want to cry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtZZYhCCfKo

On 9/2/2020 3:12 PM, Pamela wrote:
> On 20:22 2 Sep 2020, Bruce said:
>
>> On Wed, 2 Sep 2020 14:05:40 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>>
>>> In article >,
>>> says...
>>>> Subject: Sqwertzstyle Slioppy Joes
>>>> From: dsi1 >
>>>> Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, September 1, 2020 at 8:44:52 AM UTC-10, Pamela wrote:
>>>>> [quoted text muted]
>>>>>
>>>>> So "spaghetti sauce" in America is another name for tomato sauce
>>>>> which is also called "marinara sauce"? That's an interesting use of
>>>>> terms I haven't met before. I'm more familiar with the Italian
>>>>> meaning and, of course, British meaning.
>>>>
>>>> My guess it's because spaghetti is more popular in America than in
>>>> Europe.
>>>
>>> You guessed hopelessly wrong, again
>>
>> Spaghetti's popular in the entire western world. You have a carb and
>> you can add to it everything you have laying around. What's not to
>> like?
>
> I find it strange to hear Americans talk of long pasta as "noodles" which
> many Brits consider to be only Asian. For us, the characteristics of noodles
> and pasta are different.
>


That is odd too.

On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 4:59:53 PM UTC-5, Pamela wrote:
> On 20:50 2 Sep 2020, Bryan Simmons said:
>
> > On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 6:37:36 AM UTC-5, Pamela wrote:
> >> On 02:08 2 Sep 2020, Bryan Simmons said:
> >> >
> >> > I didn't even know about canned spaghetti until I saw Spagettios
> >> > commercials. We have a vibrant Italian community in St. Louis. It's
> >> > called, "The Hill," but my father called it, "Dago Hill." Even
> >> > Italians
> >
> >> > weren't White enough for his White supremacist ass.
> >> >
> >> > --Bryan
> >> I don't know the background but the way you put it, you make him sound
> >> like a member of the KKK. I've only read a few of your posts but have
> >> already sevrral references to your relationship with your father. Do
> >> you think counselling would help?
> >
> > He admired the KKK, but was never a member or participant. I don't need
> > counseling. Shit, I pretty much wrote that ****er off very early. He
> > didn't mess with me much. I think he was kind of scared of me. He quit
> > hitting me before I turned 5, after I told him that he could beat me to
> > death, but I wouldn't cry for him because I knew he didn't love me.
> > When I was about 8, he fell off a ladder and hurt himself, and he told
> > me that he thought that I had "wished it on him." At the time I just
> > thought that he was acknowledging that I had animosity toward him, but
> > ****, who knows? When the ****er died, I wasn't the only one of his
> > kids who thought, "good riddance." He died when my son was 13 months
> > old, and he never saw his grandson.
> >
> > Maybe somehow he sensed that I knew that I could kill him in his sleep
> > and get away with it. I'm glad it didn't come to that because it would
> > have had a devastating economic effect on my family. Yes, at the age of
> > five I knew that I could kill him and then tell the police that he would
> > "never beat me with a belt again."
> >
> > Haha. Counseling.
> >
> > --Bryan
> If you are beyond counselling then how about medication. I'm assuming you
> don't want to be bitter for the rest of your life. It's sad to see you
> inject rage and self-pity in almost every post. Perhaps those early drugs
> messed with you permanently and this is your norm.

You believe that hate and anger are unhealthful emotions because that's the *conventional wisdom* of mainstream culture. Part of it is based on some stupid goatherd religion from 200 years ago, that "love thy enemy" crap. Don't be sad for me. That's ****ing stupid, and you're a member of the more intelligent race, right? Even those who don't buy into the mythology follow a secular version of the hate is evil mindset, where *psychologically unhealthful* takes the place of evil. Either way, it's slave morality.

You seem awfully obsessed with drugs. Bad experiences in your own life? Did someone use drugs and then hurt you? Come on Pamela, show me on the doll where he hurt you. I'm laughing at you, and it's not bitter at all. It's laughable to say that I exhibit self-pity. Other than being surrounded by fools, what could I have to complain about? Heck, I'm lucky. I have the privileges that come with being a White, middle-class male heterosexual in the goddamned United States of America. I've got a wife whom I am very physically attracted to, and who likes sex as much as I do. I can retire economically secure when I'm 64 years old. Self-pity? I don't deserve to have it that good. Sure, I worked hard and was frugal, but I was the recipient of luck, and part of that luck was just being born White, middle-class male heterosexual in the goddamned United States of America.

You ask, "how about medication," but you don't include a "?" You assume that whatever psychiatric drugs are going to be better than beer. I've even tried that route, only because I do understand the physiological damage of self-medication with alcohol. I openly admitted that it has rendered me less intelligent (as have some of the other substances that I've used for pleasure or self-medication), but most medications have undesirable side effects, and whether or not you choose to believe it, in my case, alcohol has been pretty benign, and in any case, my alcohol use has declined over the years--I haven't taken a shot of 80 proof in over 21 years. I never (and I mean never) consume alcohol outside a window of early-mid evening, and it is a rather healthful few hours of respite from the intensity--both good and bad--that I feel the rest of the day. I've seldom been passive to what I see as bad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-70JyDBVSz8

--Bryan

On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 5:12:04 PM UTC-5, Pamela wrote:
> On 20:22 2 Sep 2020, Bruce said:
>
> > On Wed, 2 Sep 2020 14:05:40 +0100, Janet > wrote:
> >
> >>In article >,
> says...
> >>> Subject: Sqwertzstyle Slioppy Joes
> >>> From: dsi1 >
> >>> Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking
> >>>
> >>> On Tuesday, September 1, 2020 at 8:44:52 AM UTC-10, Pamela wrote:
> >>> > [quoted text muted]
> >>> >
> >>> > So "spaghetti sauce" in America is another name for tomato sauce
> >>> > which is also called "marinara sauce"? That's an interesting use of
> >>> > terms I haven't met before. I'm more familiar with the Italian
> >>> > meaning and, of course, British meaning.
> >>>
> >>> My guess it's because spaghetti is more popular in America than in
> >>> Europe.
> >>
> >> You guessed hopelessly wrong, again
> >
> > Spaghetti's popular in the entire western world. You have a carb and
> > you can add to it everything you have laying around. What's not to
> > like?
> I find it strange to hear Americans talk of long pasta as "noodles" which
> many Brits consider to be only Asian. For us, the characteristics of noodles
> and pasta are different.

In the USA, noodles usually means egg noodles. Asian noodles are Asian noodles, and are typically rice, not wheat. I have Asian rice noodles in my pantry, but I make egg noodles for soup..


--Bryan

On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 7:40:38 PM UTC-5, Bryan Simmons wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 4:59:53 PM UTC-5, Pamela wrote:
> > On 20:50 2 Sep 2020, Bryan Simmons said:
> >
> > > On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 6:37:36 AM UTC-5, Pamela wrote:
> > >> On 02:08 2 Sep 2020, Bryan Simmons said:
> > >> >
> > >> > I didn't even know about canned spaghetti until I saw Spagettios
> > >> > commercials. We have a vibrant Italian community in St. Louis. It's
> > >> > called, "The Hill," but my father called it, "Dago Hill." Even
> > >> > Italians
> > >
> > >> > weren't White enough for his White supremacist ass.
> > >> >
> > >> > --Bryan
> > >> I don't know the background but the way you put it, you make him sound
> > >> like a member of the KKK. I've only read a few of your posts but have
> > >> already sevrral references to your relationship with your father. Do
> > >> you think counselling would help?
> > >
> > > He admired the KKK, but was never a member or participant. I don't need
> > > counseling. Shit, I pretty much wrote that ****er off very early. He
> > > didn't mess with me much. I think he was kind of scared of me. He quit
> > > hitting me before I turned 5, after I told him that he could beat me to
> > > death, but I wouldn't cry for him because I knew he didn't love me.
> > > When I was about 8, he fell off a ladder and hurt himself, and he told
> > > me that he thought that I had "wished it on him." At the time I just
> > > thought that he was acknowledging that I had animosity toward him, but
> > > ****, who knows? When the ****er died, I wasn't the only one of his
> > > kids who thought, "good riddance." He died when my son was 13 months
> > > old, and he never saw his grandson.
> > >
> > > Maybe somehow he sensed that I knew that I could kill him in his sleep
> > > and get away with it. I'm glad it didn't come to that because it would
> > > have had a devastating economic effect on my family. Yes, at the age of
> > > five I knew that I could kill him and then tell the police that he would
> > > "never beat me with a belt again."
> > >
> > > Haha. Counseling.
> > >
> > > --Bryan
> > If you are beyond counselling then how about medication. I'm assuming you
> > don't want to be bitter for the rest of your life. It's sad to see you
> > inject rage and self-pity in almost every post. Perhaps those early drugs
> > messed with you permanently and this is your norm.
> You believe that hate and anger are unhealthful emotions because that's the *conventional wisdom* of mainstream culture. Part of it is based on some stupid goatherd religion from 200 years ago, that "love thy enemy" crap. Don't be sad for me. That's ****ing stupid, and you're a member of the more intelligent race, right? Even those who don't buy into the mythology follow a secular version of the hate is evil mindset, where *psychologically unhealthful* takes the place of evil. Either way, it's slave morality.
>
> You seem awfully obsessed with drugs. Bad experiences in your own life? Did someone use drugs and then hurt you? Come on Pamela, show me on the doll where he hurt you. I'm laughing at you, and it's not bitter at all. It's laughable to say that I exhibit self-pity. Other than being surrounded by fools, what could I have to complain about? Heck, I'm lucky. I have the privileges that come with being a White, middle-class male heterosexual in the goddamned United States of America. I've got a wife whom I am very physically attracted to, and who likes sex as much as I do. I can retire economically secure when I'm 64 years old. Self-pity? I don't deserve to have it that good. Sure, I worked hard and was frugal, but I was the recipient of luck, and part of that luck was just being born White, middle-class male heterosexual in the goddamned United States of America.
>
> You ask, "how about medication," but you don't include a "?" You assume that whatever psychiatric drugs are going to be better than beer. I've even tried that route, only because I do understand the physiological damage of self-medication with alcohol. I openly admitted that it has rendered me less intelligent (as have some of the other substances that I've used for pleasure or self-medication), but most medications have undesirable side effects, and whether or not you choose to believe it, in my case, alcohol has been pretty benign, and in any case, my alcohol use has declined over the years--I haven't taken a shot of 80 proof in over 21 years. I never (and I mean never) consume alcohol outside a window of early-mid evening, and it is a rather healthful few hours of respite from the intensity--both good and bad--that I feel the rest of the day. I've seldom been passive to what I see as bad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-70JyDBVSz8
>
> --Bryan

2000, not 200

--Bryan

On Wed, 2 Sep 2020 17:50:09 -0700 (PDT), Bryan Simmons
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 5:12:04 PM UTC-5, Pamela wrote:
>> On 20:22 2 Sep 2020, Bruce said:
>>
>> > On Wed, 2 Sep 2020 14:05:40 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>> >
>> >>In article >,
>> says...
>> >>> Subject: Sqwertzstyle Slioppy Joes
>> >>> From: dsi1 >
>> >>> Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking
>> >>>
>> >>> On Tuesday, September 1, 2020 at 8:44:52 AM UTC-10, Pamela wrote:
>> >>> > [quoted text muted]
>> >>> >
>> >>> > So "spaghetti sauce" in America is another name for tomato sauce
>> >>> > which is also called "marinara sauce"? That's an interesting use of
>> >>> > terms I haven't met before. I'm more familiar with the Italian
>> >>> > meaning and, of course, British meaning.
>> >>>
>> >>> My guess it's because spaghetti is more popular in America than in
>> >>> Europe.
>> >>
>> >> You guessed hopelessly wrong, again
>> >
>> > Spaghetti's popular in the entire western world. You have a carb and
>> > you can add to it everything you have laying around. What's not to
>> > like?
>> I find it strange to hear Americans talk of long pasta as "noodles" which
>> many Brits consider to be only Asian. For us, the characteristics of noodles
>> and pasta are different.
>
>In the USA, noodles usually means egg noodles. Asian noodles are Asian noodles, and are typically rice, not wheat. I have Asian rice noodles in my pantry, but I make egg noodles for soup..

To me noodles are made from flour.

"Noodles are a type of food made from unleavened dough which is rolled
flat and cut, stretched or extruded, into long strips or strings."
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noodle>

On 9/2/2020 5:50 PM, Bryan Simmons wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 5:12:04 PM UTC-5, Pamela wrote:
>> On 20:22 2 Sep 2020, Bruce said:
>>
>>> On Wed, 2 Sep 2020 14:05:40 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article >,
>>>> says...
>>>>> Subject: Sqwertzstyle Slioppy Joes
>>>>> From: dsi1 >
>>>>> Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, September 1, 2020 at 8:44:52 AM UTC-10, Pamela wrote:
>>>>>> [quoted text muted]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So "spaghetti sauce" in America is another name for tomato sauce
>>>>>> which is also called "marinara sauce"? That's an interesting use of
>>>>>> terms I haven't met before. I'm more familiar with the Italian
>>>>>> meaning and, of course, British meaning.
>>>>>
>>>>> My guess it's because spaghetti is more popular in America than in
>>>>> Europe.
>>>>
>>>> You guessed hopelessly wrong, again
>>>
>>> Spaghetti's popular in the entire western world. You have a carb and
>>> you can add to it everything you have laying around. What's not to
>>> like?
>> I find it strange to hear Americans talk of long pasta as "noodles" which
>> many Brits consider to be only Asian. For us, the characteristics of noodles
>> and pasta are different.
>
> In the USA, noodles usually means egg noodles. Asian noodles are Asian noodles, and are typically rice, not wheat. I have Asian rice noodles in my pantry, but I make egg noodles for soup..
>
>
> --Bryan
>


Rubbish.

Noodle is a generic term.

There are Asian noodles made with wheat, not just rice noodles.

Noodles need not have egg.

Noodles can be made of potato, mung bean, sweat potato, tapioca starch etc.

On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 6:12:04 PM UTC-4, Pamela wrote:
> On 20:22 2 Sep 2020, Bruce said:
>
> > On Wed, 2 Sep 2020 14:05:40 +0100, Janet > wrote:
> >
> >>In article >,
> says...
> >>> Subject: Sqwertzstyle Slioppy Joes
> >>> From: dsi1 >
> >>> Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking
> >>>
> >>> On Tuesday, September 1, 2020 at 8:44:52 AM UTC-10, Pamela wrote:
> >>> > [quoted text muted]
> >>> >
> >>> > So "spaghetti sauce" in America is another name for tomato sauce
> >>> > which is also called "marinara sauce"? That's an interesting use of
> >>> > terms I haven't met before. I'm more familiar with the Italian
> >>> > meaning and, of course, British meaning.
> >>>
> >>> My guess it's because spaghetti is more popular in America than in
> >>> Europe.
> >>
> >> You guessed hopelessly wrong, again
> >
> > Spaghetti's popular in the entire western world. You have a carb and
> > you can add to it everything you have laying around. What's not to
> > like?
> I find it strange to hear Americans talk of long pasta as "noodles" which
> many Brits consider to be only Asian. For us, the characteristics of noodles
> and pasta are different.

We had the word "noodles" before we had "pasta". Of course we applied
"noodles" to long pasta. It's what we were familiar with. We didn't
have to adept a foreign word.

The same reason we call Italian red sauce "spaghetti sauce". Our first
introduction to Italian food was spaghetti with red sauce. Clearly, the
sauce was spaghetti sauce.

Don't get me started on "spag bol".

Cindy Hamilton

On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 8:50:14 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 5:12:04 PM UTC-5, Pamela wrote:
> > On 20:22 2 Sep 2020, Bruce said:
> >
> > > On Wed, 2 Sep 2020 14:05:40 +0100, Janet > wrote:
> > >
> > >>In article >,
> > says...
> > >>> Subject: Sqwertzstyle Slioppy Joes
> > >>> From: dsi1 >
> > >>> Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking
> > >>>
> > >>> On Tuesday, September 1, 2020 at 8:44:52 AM UTC-10, Pamela wrote:
> > >>> > [quoted text muted]
> > >>> >
> > >>> > So "spaghetti sauce" in America is another name for tomato sauce
> > >>> > which is also called "marinara sauce"? That's an interesting use of
> > >>> > terms I haven't met before. I'm more familiar with the Italian
> > >>> > meaning and, of course, British meaning.
> > >>>
> > >>> My guess it's because spaghetti is more popular in America than in
> > >>> Europe.
> > >>
> > >> You guessed hopelessly wrong, again
> > >
> > > Spaghetti's popular in the entire western world. You have a carb and
> > > you can add to it everything you have laying around. What's not to
> > > like?
> > I find it strange to hear Americans talk of long pasta as "noodles" which
> > many Brits consider to be only Asian. For us, the characteristics of noodles
> > and pasta are different.
> In the USA, noodles usually means egg noodles. Asian noodles are Asian noodles, and are typically rice, not wheat. I have Asian rice noodles in my pantry, but I make egg noodles for soup..
>
>
> --Bryan

I use Chinese wheat noodles for sesame noodles. There are several kinds of
Chinese noodles made with wheat. Japanese udon are also made with wheat.

Cindy Hamilton

On Thu, 3 Sep 2020 03:18:38 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 6:12:04 PM UTC-4, Pamela wrote:
>> On 20:22 2 Sep 2020, Bruce said:
>>
>> > On Wed, 2 Sep 2020 14:05:40 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>> >
>> >>In article >,
>> says...
>> >>> Subject: Sqwertzstyle Slioppy Joes
>> >>> From: dsi1 >
>> >>> Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking
>> >>>
>> >>> On Tuesday, September 1, 2020 at 8:44:52 AM UTC-10, Pamela wrote:
>> >>> > [quoted text muted]
>> >>> >
>> >>> > So "spaghetti sauce" in America is another name for tomato sauce
>> >>> > which is also called "marinara sauce"? That's an interesting use of
>> >>> > terms I haven't met before. I'm more familiar with the Italian
>> >>> > meaning and, of course, British meaning.
>> >>>
>> >>> My guess it's because spaghetti is more popular in America than in
>> >>> Europe.
>> >>
>> >> You guessed hopelessly wrong, again
>> >
>> > Spaghetti's popular in the entire western world. You have a carb and
>> > you can add to it everything you have laying around. What's not to
>> > like?
>> I find it strange to hear Americans talk of long pasta as "noodles" which
>> many Brits consider to be only Asian. For us, the characteristics of noodles
>> and pasta are different.
>
>We had the word "noodles" before we had "pasta". Of course we applied
>"noodles" to long pasta. It's what we were familiar with. We didn't
>have to adept a foreign word.
>
>The same reason we call Italian red sauce "spaghetti sauce". Our first
>introduction to Italian food was spaghetti with red sauce. Clearly, the
>sauce was spaghetti sauce.

You're such quaint, clueless people

On 01:40 3 Sep 2020, Bryan Simmons said:
> On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 4:59:53 PM UTC-5, Pamela wrote:
>>
>>
>> If you are beyond counselling then how about medication. I'm assuming
>> you
>
>> don't want to be bitter for the rest of your life. It's sad to see you
>> inject rage and self-pity in almost every post. Perhaps those early
>> drugs messed with you permanently and this is your norm.
>
> You believe that hate and anger are unhealthful emotions because that's
> the *conventional wisdom* of mainstream culture.

You appear to revel in your hate and anger. Okay. Don't let me spoil your
party but don't expect others to flock to it.

> Part of it is based on
> some stupid goatherd religion from 200 years ago, that "love thy enemy"
> crap. Don't be sad for me. That's ****ing stupid, and you're a member
> of the more intelligent race, right? Even those who don't buy into the
> mythology follow a secular version of the hate is evil mindset, where
> *psychologically unhealthful* takes the place of evil. Either way, it's
> slave morality.
>
> You seem awfully obsessed with drugs. Bad experiences in your own life?
> Did someone use drugs and then hurt you? Come on Pamela, show me on
> the doll where he hurt you. I'm laughing at you, and it's not bitter at
> all. It's laughable to say that I exhibit self-pity. Other than being
> surrounded by fools, what could I have to complain about? Heck, I'm
> lucky. I have the privileges that come with being a White, middle-class
> male heterosexual in the goddamned United States of America. I've got a
> wife whom I am very physically attracted to, and who likes sex as much
> as I do. I can retire economically secure when I'm 64 years old.
> Self-pity? I don't deserve to have it that good. Sure, I worked hard
> and was frugal, but I was the recipient of luck, and part of that luck
> was just being born White, middle-class male heterosexual in the
> goddamned United States of America.
>
> You ask, "how about medication," but you don't include a "?" You assume
> that whatever psychiatric drugs are going to be better than beer. I've
> even tried that route, only because I do understand the physiological
> damage of self-medication with alcohol. I openly admitted that it has
> rendered me less intelligent (as have some of the other substances that
> I've used for pleasure or self-medication), but most medications have
> undesirable side effects, and whether or not you choose to believe it,
> in my case, alcohol has been pretty benign, and in any case, my alcohol
> use has declined over the years--I haven't taken a shot of 80 proof in
> over 21 years. I never (and I mean never) consume alcohol outside a
> window of early-mid evening, and it is a rather healthful few hours of
> respite from the intensity--both good and bad--that I feel the rest of
> the day. I've seldom been passive to what I see as bad.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-70JyDBVSz8
>
> --Bryan

By the way, I found Winters Present is very nicely written but the sexual
tones of the first chapter and from glancing through the remainder tell me
it's not my sort of thing. Thanks for the link.

On 23:21 2 Sep 2020, dsi1 said:

> On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 12:03:08 PM UTC-10, Pamela wrote:
>> On 20:27 2 Sep 2020, dsi1 said:
>> >
>> > Most Americans are racists and they don't even know it. If you think
>> > that somebody, even if they're an American, should go back to the
>> > country where they belong, yeah - you're a racist alright. OTOH, you
>> > don't want to know what the Chinese think about white people.
>>
>> Gweilo and all the rest. I like the Chinese for being so unaffected.
>> "Politically correct" has a very different meaning in China.
>
> Like most people, the Chinese won't hassle you if you treat them with
> respect and don't dis them - at least to their face. OTOH, my brother
> was in Beijing during the anti-American protests/riots. He's a pilot and
> while his co-workers were stuck in their hotel, he was able to roam the
> streets freely.

That must have been quite some experience and one to tell the grandkids.

> Dirty little secret: Asians, for the most part, can't tell other kinds
> of Asians apart from each other. They pretty much look all the same to
> us. Just remember to make short eye contact with other people and don't
> open your mouth. <];O

Is that so? I can tell Asians apart better than that and that's despite the
so called "other-race effect".

On Thu, 03 Sep 2020 12:39:46 +0100, Pamela >
wrote:

>On 23:21 2 Sep 2020, dsi1 said:
>
>> On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 12:03:08 PM UTC-10, Pamela wrote:
>>> On 20:27 2 Sep 2020, dsi1 said:
>>> >
>>> > Most Americans are racists and they don't even know it. If you think
>>> > that somebody, even if they're an American, should go back to the
>>> > country where they belong, yeah - you're a racist alright. OTOH, you
>>> > don't want to know what the Chinese think about white people.
>>>
>>> Gweilo and all the rest. I like the Chinese for being so unaffected.
>>> "Politically correct" has a very different meaning in China.
>>
>> Like most people, the Chinese won't hassle you if you treat them with
>> respect and don't dis them - at least to their face. OTOH, my brother
>> was in Beijing during the anti-American protests/riots. He's a pilot and
>> while his co-workers were stuck in their hotel, he was able to roam the
>> streets freely.
>
>That must have been quite some experience and one to tell the grandkids.
>
>> Dirty little secret: Asians, for the most part, can't tell other kinds
>> of Asians apart from each other. They pretty much look all the same to
>> us. Just remember to make short eye contact with other people and don't
>> open your mouth. <];O
>
>Is that so? I can tell Asians apart better than that and that's despite the
>so called "other-race effect".

Maybe white people are more intelligent than Asian people? That could
explain why we all live in great countries, but China's a hellhole.

On 11:25 3 Sep 2020, Cindy Hamilton said:

> On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 8:50:14 PM UTC-4,
> wrote:
>> On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 5:12:04 PM UTC-5, Pamela wrote:
>> > On 20:22 2 Sep 2020, Bruce said:
>> >
>> > > On Wed, 2 Sep 2020 14:05:40 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >>In article >,
>> > says...
>> > >>> Subject: Sqwertzstyle Slioppy Joes
>> > >>> From: dsi1 >
>> > >>> Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking
>> > >>>
>> > >>> On Tuesday, September 1, 2020 at 8:44:52 AM UTC-10, Pamela wrote:
>> > >>> > [quoted text muted]
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > So "spaghetti sauce" in America is another name for tomato
>> > >>> > sauce which is also called "marinara sauce"? That's an
>> > >>> > interesting use of terms I haven't met before. I'm more
>> > >>> > familiar with the Italian meaning and, of course, British
>> > >>> > meaning.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> My guess it's because spaghetti is more popular in America than
>> > >>> in Europe.
>> > >>
>> > >> You guessed hopelessly wrong, again
>> > >
>> > > Spaghetti's popular in the entire western world. You have a carb
>> > > and you can add to it everything you have laying around. What's not
>> > > to like?
>> > I find it strange to hear Americans talk of long pasta as "noodles"
>> > which many Brits consider to be only Asian. For us, the
>> > characteristics of noodles and pasta are different.
>> In the USA, noodles usually means egg noodles. Asian noodles are Asian
>> noodles, and are typically rice, not wheat. I have Asian rice noodles
>> in my pantry, but I make egg noodles for soup..
>>
>>
>> --Bryan
>
> I use Chinese wheat noodles for sesame noodles. There are several kinds
> of Chinese noodles made with wheat. Japanese udon are also made with
> wheat.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

What I found interesting is that Italian pasta and the Asian noodles we get
here in the UK are both made from wheat (one soft and the other hard) and
often nothing else.

Yet they cook very differently. Pasta soon turns to mush if overcooked but
our Asian noodles are very resistent. I don't mean the pre-gelatinised quick
cook Asian noodles.

Italian and Asian comes in variants sometimes containing egg but my
comparison is between the purely wheat types.

On 11:18 3 Sep 2020, Cindy Hamilton said:

> On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 6:12:04 PM UTC-4, Pamela wrote:
>> On 20:22 2 Sep 2020, Bruce said:
>>
>> > On Wed, 2 Sep 2020 14:05:40 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>> >
>> >>In article >,
>> says...
>> >>> Subject: Sqwertzstyle Slioppy Joes
>> >>> From: dsi1 >
>> >>> Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking
>> >>>
>> >>> On Tuesday, September 1, 2020 at 8:44:52 AM UTC-10, Pamela wrote:
>> >>> > [quoted text muted]
>> >>> >
>> >>> > So "spaghetti sauce" in America is another name for tomato sauce
>> >>> > which is also called "marinara sauce"? That's an interesting use
>> >>> > of terms I haven't met before. I'm more familiar with the Italian
>> >>> > meaning and, of course, British meaning.
>> >>>
>> >>> My guess it's because spaghetti is more popular in America than in
>> >>> Europe.
>> >>
>> >> You guessed hopelessly wrong, again
>> >
>> > Spaghetti's popular in the entire western world. You have a carb and
>> > you can add to it everything you have laying around. What's not to
>> > like?
>>
>> I find it strange to hear Americans talk of long pasta as "noodles"
>> which many Brits consider to be only Asian. For us, the characteristics
>> of noodles and pasta are different.
>
> We had the word "noodles" before we had "pasta". Of course we applied
> "noodles" to long pasta. It's what we were familiar with. We didn't
> have to adept a foreign word.
>
> The same reason we call Italian red sauce "spaghetti sauce". Our first
> introduction to Italian food was spaghetti with red sauce. Clearly, the
> sauce was spaghetti sauce.
>
> Don't get me started on "spag bol".
>
> Cindy Hamilton

"Noodles" must come from the non-Italian population as Italians typically
veer away from any suggestion Italian pasta was invented after Marco Polo
brought noodles from Asia.

For years I never much liked spaghetti but later came to like it. I now
keep two foot long spaghetti as it has a certain ritual when cooked and
eaten unbroken. For convenience I eat the shorter stuff.

"Spag bol". Ha ha! Same for spaghetti with meatballs. The hopelessly
messy way they have to be eaten says they can't possibly be right but
millions love it -- probably with a knife and fork. Good for them. You
don't have to be a purist to see it's wrong. Intuition alone says it
doesn't work at the table.

Of course canned spaghetti belongs in the dustbin or maybe a food bank.

On 12:42 3 Sep 2020, Bruce said:

> On Thu, 03 Sep 2020 12:39:46 +0100, Pamela >
> wrote:
>
>>On 23:21 2 Sep 2020, dsi1 said:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 12:03:08 PM UTC-10, Pamela wrote:
>>>> On 20:27 2 Sep 2020, dsi1 said:
>>>> >
>>>> > Most Americans are racists and they don't even know it. If you
>>>> > think that somebody, even if they're an American, should go back to
>>>> > the country where they belong, yeah - you're a racist alright.
>>>> > OTOH, you don't want to know what the Chinese think about white
>>>> > people.
>>>>
>>>> Gweilo and all the rest. I like the Chinese for being so unaffected.
>>>> "Politically correct" has a very different meaning in China.
>>>
>>> Like most people, the Chinese won't hassle you if you treat them with
>>> respect and don't dis them - at least to their face. OTOH, my brother
>>> was in Beijing during the anti-American protests/riots. He's a pilot
>>> and while his co-workers were stuck in their hotel, he was able to
>>> roam the streets freely.
>>
>>That must have been quite some experience and one to tell the grandkids.
>>
>>> Dirty little secret: Asians, for the most part, can't tell other kinds
>>> of Asians apart from each other. They pretty much look all the same to
>>> us. Just remember to make short eye contact with other people and
>>> don't open your mouth. <];O
>>
>>Is that so? I can tell Asians apart better than that and that's despite
>>the so called "other-race effect".
>
> Maybe white people are more intelligent than Asian people? That could
> explain why we all live in great countries, but China's a hellhole.

I find most east Asians are frequently smarter than whites. They
certainly score better on IQ tests.

Bruce wrote:
>
> Bryan Simmon wrote:

> I was 100% glad that Andy offed himself. He was a
> >piece of shit.
>
> How do you know he offed himself?

Speculation and gossip.

Here's some of the same from me...
I often suspected Andy-Panda was in the federal
witness protection program and stupidly posted on
Usenet.

Only because of his pictures. Never a pic of his face,
only a pic of his ass, thankfully with pants on.

Given enough time, your real personality
can be spotted. Maybe the bad guys finally found him.

Bruce wrote:
>
> Americans are easily confused. For one thing, they don't believe there
> are countries where people don't speak English.

You really *are* turning into Dsi1

On 2020-09-03 8:43 a.m., Gary wrote:
> Bruce wrote:
>>
>> Bryan Simmon wrote:
>
>> I was 100% glad that Andy offed himself. He was a
>>> piece of shit.
>>
>> How do you know he offed himself?
>
> Speculation and gossip.
>
> Here's some of the same from me...
> I often suspected Andy-Panda was in the federal
> witness protection program and stupidly posted on
> Usenet.
>
> Only because of his pictures. Never a pic of his face,
> only a pic of his ass, thankfully with pants on.
>
> Given enough time, your real personality
> can be spotted. Maybe the bad guys finally found him.
>

He was an oddball. I used to join in the RFC chat once in a while and he
would show up once in a while and make an ass of himself. He would start
hitting on the women and get increasingly objective. The women
decided to simply ignore him. That frustrated the hell out of him and he
would start creaming obscenities at them.

On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 6:47:12 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Sep 2020 03:18:38 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 6:12:04 PM UTC-4, Pamela wrote:
> >> On 20:22 2 Sep 2020, Bruce said:
> >>
> >> > On Wed, 2 Sep 2020 14:05:40 +0100, Janet > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>In article >,
> >> says...
> >> >>> Subject: Sqwertzstyle Slioppy Joes
> >> >>> From: dsi1 >
> >> >>> Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Tuesday, September 1, 2020 at 8:44:52 AM UTC-10, Pamela wrote:
> >> >>> > [quoted text muted]
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > So "spaghetti sauce" in America is another name for tomato sauce
> >> >>> > which is also called "marinara sauce"? That's an interesting use of
> >> >>> > terms I haven't met before. I'm more familiar with the Italian
> >> >>> > meaning and, of course, British meaning.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> My guess it's because spaghetti is more popular in America than in
> >> >>> Europe.
> >> >>
> >> >> You guessed hopelessly wrong, again
> >> >
> >> > Spaghetti's popular in the entire western world. You have a carb and
> >> > you can add to it everything you have laying around. What's not to
> >> > like?
> >> I find it strange to hear Americans talk of long pasta as "noodles" which
> >> many Brits consider to be only Asian. For us, the characteristics of noodles
> >> and pasta are different.
> >
> >We had the word "noodles" before we had "pasta". Of course we applied
> >"noodles" to long pasta. It's what we were familiar with. We didn't
> >have to adept a foreign word.
> >
> >The same reason we call Italian red sauce "spaghetti sauce". Our first
> >introduction to Italian food was spaghetti with red sauce. Clearly, the
> >sauce was spaghetti sauce.
> You're such quaint, clueless people

We can get a clue. You will always be an asshole.

Cindy Hamilton

On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 8:06:16 AM UTC-4, Pamela wrote:
> On 11:18 3 Sep 2020, Cindy Hamilton said:
>
> > On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 6:12:04 PM UTC-4, Pamela wrote:
> >> On 20:22 2 Sep 2020, Bruce said:
> >>
> >> > On Wed, 2 Sep 2020 14:05:40 +0100, Janet > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>In article >,
> >> says...
> >> >>> Subject: Sqwertzstyle Slioppy Joes
> >> >>> From: dsi1 >
> >> >>> Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Tuesday, September 1, 2020 at 8:44:52 AM UTC-10, Pamela wrote:
> >> >>> > [quoted text muted]
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > So "spaghetti sauce" in America is another name for tomato sauce
> >> >>> > which is also called "marinara sauce"? That's an interesting use
> >> >>> > of terms I haven't met before. I'm more familiar with the Italian
> >> >>> > meaning and, of course, British meaning.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> My guess it's because spaghetti is more popular in America than in
> >> >>> Europe.
> >> >>
> >> >> You guessed hopelessly wrong, again
> >> >
> >> > Spaghetti's popular in the entire western world. You have a carb and
> >> > you can add to it everything you have laying around. What's not to
> >> > like?
> >>
> >> I find it strange to hear Americans talk of long pasta as "noodles"
> >> which many Brits consider to be only Asian. For us, the characteristics
> >> of noodles and pasta are different.
> >
> > We had the word "noodles" before we had "pasta". Of course we applied
> > "noodles" to long pasta. It's what we were familiar with. We didn't
> > have to adept a foreign word.
> >
> > The same reason we call Italian red sauce "spaghetti sauce". Our first
> > introduction to Italian food was spaghetti with red sauce. Clearly, the
> > sauce was spaghetti sauce.
> >
> > Don't get me started on "spag bol".
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> "Noodles" must come from the non-Italian population as Italians typically
> veer away from any suggestion Italian pasta was invented after Marco Polo
> brought noodles from Asia.

The Italians must have forgotten everything the ancient Romans
knew, because they had something very much like pasta.

Pasta was invented independently in multiple locations.

Cindy Hamilton

On Thu, 3 Sep 2020 08:58:26 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2020-09-03 8:43 a.m., Gary wrote:
>> Bruce wrote:
>>>
>>> Bryan Simmon wrote:
>>
>>> I was 100% glad that Andy offed himself. He was a
>>>> piece of shit.
>>>
>>> How do you know he offed himself?
>>
>> Speculation and gossip.
>>
>> Here's some of the same from me...
>> I often suspected Andy-Panda was in the federal
>> witness protection program and stupidly posted on
>> Usenet.
>>
>> Only because of his pictures. Never a pic of his face,
>> only a pic of his ass, thankfully with pants on.
>>
>> Given enough time, your real personality
>> can be spotted. Maybe the bad guys finally found him.
>>
>
>He was an oddball. I used to join in the RFC chat once in a while and he
>would show up once in a while and make an ass of himself. He would start
>hitting on the women and get increasingly objective. The women
>decided to simply ignore him. That frustrated the hell out of him and he
>would start creaming obscenities at them.

I never had a problem with him.
No obscenities, nothing rude or angry.
I missed his breakfast reports.
Janet US

On Wed, 2 Sep 2020 17:40:32 -0700 (PDT), Bryan Simmons
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 4:59:53 PM UTC-5, Pamela wrote:
>> On 20:50 2 Sep 2020, Bryan Simmons said:
>>
>> > On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 6:37:36 AM UTC-5, Pamela wrote:
>> >> On 02:08 2 Sep 2020, Bryan Simmons said:
>> >> >
>> >> > I didn't even know about canned spaghetti until I saw Spagettios
>> >> > commercials. We have a vibrant Italian community in St. Louis. It's
>> >> > called, "The Hill," but my father called it, "Dago Hill." Even
>> >> > Italians
>> >
>> >> > weren't White enough for his White supremacist ass.
>> >> >
>> >> > --Bryan
>> >> I don't know the background but the way you put it, you make him sound
>> >> like a member of the KKK. I've only read a few of your posts but have
>> >> already sevrral references to your relationship with your father. Do
>> >> you think counselling would help?
>> >
>> > He admired the KKK, but was never a member or participant. I don't need
>> > counseling. Shit, I pretty much wrote that ****er off very early. He
>> > didn't mess with me much. I think he was kind of scared of me. He quit
>> > hitting me before I turned 5, after I told him that he could beat me to
>> > death, but I wouldn't cry for him because I knew he didn't love me.
>> > When I was about 8, he fell off a ladder and hurt himself, and he told
>> > me that he thought that I had "wished it on him." At the time I just
>> > thought that he was acknowledging that I had animosity toward him, but
>> > ****, who knows? When the ****er died, I wasn't the only one of his
>> > kids who thought, "good riddance." He died when my son was 13 months
>> > old, and he never saw his grandson.
>> >
>> > Maybe somehow he sensed that I knew that I could kill him in his sleep
>> > and get away with it. I'm glad it didn't come to that because it would
>> > have had a devastating economic effect on my family. Yes, at the age of
>> > five I knew that I could kill him and then tell the police that he would
>> > "never beat me with a belt again."
>> >
>> > Haha. Counseling.
>> >
>> > --Bryan
>> If you are beyond counselling then how about medication. I'm assuming you
>> don't want to be bitter for the rest of your life. It's sad to see you
>> inject rage and self-pity in almost every post. Perhaps those early drugs
>> messed with you permanently and this is your norm.
>
>You believe that hate and anger are unhealthful emotions because that's the *conventional wisdom* of mainstream culture. Part of it is based on some stupid goatherd religion from 200 years ago, that "love thy enemy" crap. Don't be sad for me. That's ****ing stupid, and you're a member of the more intelligent race, right? Even those who don't buy into the mythology follow a secular version of the hate is evil mindset, where *psychologically unhealthful* takes the place of evil. Either way, it's slave morality.
>
>You seem awfully obsessed with drugs. Bad experiences in your own life? Did someone use drugs and then hurt you? Come on Pamela, show me on the doll where he hurt you. I'm laughing at you, and it's not bitter at all. It's laughable to say that I exhibit self-pity. Other than being surrounded by fools, what could I have to complain about? Heck, I'm lucky. I have the privileges that come with being a White, middle-class male heterosexual in the goddamned United States of America. I've got a wife whom I am very physically attracted to, and who likes sex as much as I do. I can retire economically secure when I'm 64 years old. Self-pity? I don't deserve to have it that good. Sure, I worked hard and was frugal, but I was the recipient of luck, and part of that luck was just being born White, middle-class male heterosexual in the goddamned United States of America.
>
>You ask, "how about medication," but you don't include a "?" You assume that whatever psychiatric drugs are going to be better than beer. I've even tried that route, only because I do understand the physiological damage of self-medication with alcohol. I openly admitted that it has rendered me less intelligent (as have some of the other substances that I've used for pleasure or self-medication), but most medications have undesirable side effects, and whether or not you choose to believe it, in my case, alcohol has been pretty benign, and in any case, my alcohol use has declined over the years--I haven't taken a shot of 80 proof in over 21 years. I never (and I mean never) consume alcohol outside a window of early-mid evening, and it is a rather healthful few hours of respite from the intensity--both good and bad--that I feel the rest of the day. I've seldom been passive to what I see as bad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-70JyDBVSz8
>
>--Bryan

Obviously anger doesn't bother you the same way it does me. I get
all churned up, my chest gets tight and I chew on my tongue. I have
to make a special effort to dump those feelings or I feel physically
awful. It's a chemical response the body has. It's not good for you.
Janet US

Bruce wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Sep 2020 03:18:38 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 6:12:04 PM UTC-4, Pamela wrote:
>>> On 20:22 2 Sep 2020, Bruce said:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 2 Sep 2020 14:05:40 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article >,
>>>>> says...
>>>>>> Subject: Sqwertzstyle Slioppy Joes
>>>>>> From: dsi1 >
>>>>>> Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, September 1, 2020 at 8:44:52 AM UTC-10, Pamela wrote:
>>>>>>> [quoted text muted]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So "spaghetti sauce" in America is another name for tomato sauce
>>>>>>> which is also called "marinara sauce"? That's an interesting use of
>>>>>>> terms I haven't met before. I'm more familiar with the Italian
>>>>>>> meaning and, of course, British meaning.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My guess it's because spaghetti is more popular in America than in
>>>>>> Europe.
>>>>>
>>>>> You guessed hopelessly wrong, again
>>>>
>>>> Spaghetti's popular in the entire western world. You have a carb and
>>>> you can add to it everything you have laying around. What's not to
>>>> like?
>>> I find it strange to hear Americans talk of long pasta as "noodles" which
>>> many Brits consider to be only Asian. For us, the characteristics of noodles
>>> and pasta are different.
>>
>> We had the word "noodles" before we had "pasta". Of course we applied
>> "noodles" to long pasta. It's what we were familiar with. We didn't
>> have to adept a foreign word.
>>
>> The same reason we call Italian red sauce "spaghetti sauce". Our first
>> introduction to Italian food was spaghetti with red sauce. Clearly, the
>> sauce was spaghetti sauce.
>
> You're such quaint, clueless people
>

Is that why you love their aroma Druce?

On Wed, 2 Sep 2020 15:21:38 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote:


>Dirty little secret: Asians, for the most part, can't tell other kinds of Asians apart from each other. They pretty much look all the same to us.

What absolute crap. It's astonishing how ****ing stupid you are.

On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 12:19:42 PM UTC-5, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Sep 2020 17:40:32 -0700 (PDT), Bryan Simmons
> > wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 4:59:53 PM UTC-5, Pamela wrote:
> >> On 20:50 2 Sep 2020, Bryan Simmons said:
> >>
> >> > On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 6:37:36 AM UTC-5, Pamela wrote:
> >> >> On 02:08 2 Sep 2020, Bryan Simmons said:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I didn't even know about canned spaghetti until I saw Spagettios
> >> >> > commercials. We have a vibrant Italian community in St. Louis. It's
> >> >> > called, "The Hill," but my father called it, "Dago Hill." Even
> >> >> > Italians
> >> >
> >> >> > weren't White enough for his White supremacist ass.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --Bryan
> >> >> I don't know the background but the way you put it, you make him sound
> >> >> like a member of the KKK. I've only read a few of your posts but have
> >> >> already sevrral references to your relationship with your father. Do
> >> >> you think counselling would help?
> >> >
> >> > He admired the KKK, but was never a member or participant. I don't need
> >> > counseling. Shit, I pretty much wrote that ****er off very early. He
> >> > didn't mess with me much. I think he was kind of scared of me. He quit
> >> > hitting me before I turned 5, after I told him that he could beat me to
> >> > death, but I wouldn't cry for him because I knew he didn't love me.
> >> > When I was about 8, he fell off a ladder and hurt himself, and he told
> >> > me that he thought that I had "wished it on him." At the time I just
> >> > thought that he was acknowledging that I had animosity toward him, but
> >> > ****, who knows? When the ****er died, I wasn't the only one of his
> >> > kids who thought, "good riddance." He died when my son was 13 months
> >> > old, and he never saw his grandson.
> >> >
> >> > Maybe somehow he sensed that I knew that I could kill him in his sleep
> >> > and get away with it. I'm glad it didn't come to that because it would
> >> > have had a devastating economic effect on my family. Yes, at the age of
> >> > five I knew that I could kill him and then tell the police that he would
> >> > "never beat me with a belt again."
> >> >
> >> > Haha. Counseling.
> >> >
> >> > --Bryan
> >> If you are beyond counselling then how about medication. I'm assuming you
> >> don't want to be bitter for the rest of your life. It's sad to see you
> >> inject rage and self-pity in almost every post. Perhaps those early drugs
> >> messed with you permanently and this is your norm.
> >
> >You believe that hate and anger are unhealthful emotions because that's the *conventional wisdom* of mainstream culture. Part of it is based on some stupid goatherd religion from 200 years ago, that "love thy enemy" crap. Don't be sad for me. That's ****ing stupid, and you're a member of the more intelligent race, right? Even those who don't buy into the mythology follow a secular version of the hate is evil mindset, where *psychologically unhealthful* takes the place of evil. Either way, it's slave morality.
> >
> >You seem awfully obsessed with drugs. Bad experiences in your own life? Did someone use drugs and then hurt you? Come on Pamela, show me on the doll where he hurt you. I'm laughing at you, and it's not bitter at all. It's laughable to say that I exhibit self-pity. Other than being surrounded by fools, what could I have to complain about? Heck, I'm lucky. I have the privileges that come with being a White, middle-class male heterosexual in the goddamned United States of America. I've got a wife whom I am very physically attracted to, and who likes sex as much as I do. I can retire economically secure when I'm 64 years old. Self-pity? I don't deserve to have it that good. Sure, I worked hard and was frugal, but I was the recipient of luck, and part of that luck was just being born White, middle-class male heterosexual in the goddamned United States of America.
> >
> >You ask, "how about medication," but you don't include a "?" You assume that whatever psychiatric drugs are going to be better than beer. I've even tried that route, only because I do understand the physiological damage of self-medication with alcohol. I openly admitted that it has rendered me less intelligent (as have some of the other substances that I've used for pleasure or self-medication), but most medications have undesirable side effects, and whether or not you choose to believe it, in my case, alcohol has been pretty benign, and in any case, my alcohol use has declined over the years--I haven't taken a shot of 80 proof in over 21 years. I never (and I mean never) consume alcohol outside a window of early-mid evening, and it is a rather healthful few hours of respite from the intensity--both good and bad--that I feel the rest of the day. I've seldom been passive to what I see as bad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-70JyDBVSz8
> >
> >--Bryan
> Obviously anger doesn't bother you the same way it does me. I get
> all churned up, my chest gets tight and I chew on my tongue. I have
> to make a special effort to dump those feelings or I feel physically
> awful. It's a chemical response the body has. It's not good for you.

It really doesn't bother me.

> Janet US

--Bryan

Je�us wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Sep 2020 15:21:38 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
> wrote:
>
>
>> Dirty little secret: Asians, for the most part, can't tell other kinds of Asians apart from each other. They pretty much look all the same to us.
>
> What absolute crap. It's astonishing how ****ing stupid you are.
>

Well hell, what do you expect? He couldn't even find any asians in
florida. I guess they are all there on the rock.

On Thu, 03 Sep 2020 13:17:29 +0100, Pamela >
wrote:

>On 12:42 3 Sep 2020, Bruce said:
>
>> On Thu, 03 Sep 2020 12:39:46 +0100, Pamela >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>That must have been quite some experience and one to tell the grandkids.
>>>
>>>> Dirty little secret: Asians, for the most part, can't tell other kinds
>>>> of Asians apart from each other. They pretty much look all the same to
>>>> us. Just remember to make short eye contact with other people and
>>>> don't open your mouth. <];O
>>>
>>>Is that so? I can tell Asians apart better than that and that's despite
>>>the so called "other-race effect".
>>
>> Maybe white people are more intelligent than Asian people? That could
>> explain why we all live in great countries, but China's a hellhole.
>
>I find most east Asians are frequently smarter than whites. They
>certainly score better on IQ tests.

Just take out Trump's results and we're even.

On Thu, 03 Sep 2020 08:43:18 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Bruce wrote:
>>
>> Bryan Simmon wrote:
>
>> I was 100% glad that Andy offed himself. He was a
>> >piece of shit.
>>
>> How do you know he offed himself?
>
>Speculation and gossip.
>
>Here's some of the same from me...
>I often suspected Andy-Panda was in the federal
>witness protection program and stupidly posted on
>Usenet.
>
>Only because of his pictures. Never a pic of his face,
>only a pic of his ass, thankfully with pants on.
>
>Given enough time, your real personality
>can be spotted. Maybe the bad guys finally found him.

Bad guys can barely read. They may look for a person on Facebook, but
Usenet?

On Thu, 03 Sep 2020 11:14:15 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
wrote:

>On Thu, 3 Sep 2020 08:58:26 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:
>
>>On 2020-09-03 8:43 a.m., Gary wrote:
>>> Bruce wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Bryan Simmon wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was 100% glad that Andy offed himself. He was a
>>>>> piece of shit.
>>>>
>>>> How do you know he offed himself?
>>>
>>> Speculation and gossip.
>>>
>>> Here's some of the same from me...
>>> I often suspected Andy-Panda was in the federal
>>> witness protection program and stupidly posted on
>>> Usenet.
>>>
>>> Only because of his pictures. Never a pic of his face,
>>> only a pic of his ass, thankfully with pants on.
>>>
>>> Given enough time, your real personality
>>> can be spotted. Maybe the bad guys finally found him.
>>>
>>
>>He was an oddball. I used to join in the RFC chat once in a while and he
>>would show up once in a while and make an ass of himself. He would start
>>hitting on the women and get increasingly objective. The women
>>decided to simply ignore him. That frustrated the hell out of him and he
>>would start creaming obscenities at them.
>
>I never had a problem with him.
>No obscenities, nothing rude or angry.
>I missed his breakfast reports.

Yes, they were funny. That's the only thing I ever saw him do.

On Thu, 03 Sep 2020 08:43:34 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Bruce wrote:
>>
>> Americans are easily confused. For one thing, they don't believe there
>> are countries where people don't speak English.
>
>You really *are* turning into Dsi1

But... but... but... that's a big compliment!

On Thu, 3 Sep 2020 06:53:41 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 6:47:12 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> On Thu, 3 Sep 2020 03:18:38 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 6:12:04 PM UTC-4, Pamela wrote:
>> >> On 20:22 2 Sep 2020, Bruce said:
>> >>
>> >> > Spaghetti's popular in the entire western world. You have a carb and
>> >> > you can add to it everything you have laying around. What's not to
>> >> > like?
>> >> I find it strange to hear Americans talk of long pasta as "noodles" which
>> >> many Brits consider to be only Asian. For us, the characteristics of noodles
>> >> and pasta are different.
>> >
>> >We had the word "noodles" before we had "pasta". Of course we applied
>> >"noodles" to long pasta. It's what we were familiar with. We didn't
>> >have to adept a foreign word.
>> >
>> >The same reason we call Italian red sauce "spaghetti sauce". Our first
>> >introduction to Italian food was spaghetti with red sauce. Clearly, the
>> >sauce was spaghetti sauce.
>> You're such quaint, clueless people
>
>We can get a clue. You will always be an asshole.

What an uncharacteristic reaction. Did I press a special button? I
didn't even realise.