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<STRONG>Five Dead, Three Hurt in Wisconsin Hunting Dispute</STRONG>
Excellent! ---= BOYCOTT FRANCE (belgium) GERMANY--SPAIN =--- ---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =--- ********* "Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation." Sheldon ```````````` |
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Xenophobia might not be such a bad thing...
The dumbest part of the reporters story was "We do not know who shot first"... Take a wild guess... "PENMART01" > wrote in message ... > Five Dead, Three Hurt in Wisconsin Hunting Dispute > > Excellent! > ---= BOYCOTT FRANCE (belgium) GERMANY--SPAIN =--- > ---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =--- > ********* > "Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation." > Sheldon > |
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Xenophobia might not be such a bad thing...
The dumbest part of the reporters story was "We do not know who shot first"... Take a wild guess... "PENMART01" > wrote in message ... > Five Dead, Three Hurt in Wisconsin Hunting Dispute > > Excellent! > ---= BOYCOTT FRANCE (belgium) GERMANY--SPAIN =--- > ---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =--- > ********* > "Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation." > Sheldon > |
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Internet Traveler wrote:
> Xenophobia might not be such a bad thing... > The dumbest part of the reporters story was "We do not know who shot > first"... > Take a wild guess... A guess is as good as you can do. Would it be the guy in the blind or the guys who though it was their blind and had the right to shoot a trespasser? Not to make light of this tragedy but there is an old joke about an incident like this. An immigrant bought a house out in the country next to a large farm with a duck pond. The farmer shot a duck and Th. duck landed on the immigrant's property. We walked over to get it but the immigrant ran out and grabbed the duck. The owner of the pond said"Hey, that's my duck", but the immigrant said "No, it is my duck, it is on my property." The farmer said "It doesn't matter where it landed. I shot it on my property and it's mine" After much arguing back and forth the former said"Look, you are new year, but you should know that there is a traditional way of settling disputes like that here" He went on to explain that the person making the claim could kick the other person in the nuts, and then the other person got to kick him in the nuts and they keep doing it until someone gives in. The immigrant agreed to go through this traditional arbitration process. The farmer gathered up all his strength and kicked the immigrant as hard as he could. The immigrant went down like a sack of bricks. He laid on the ground writhing in pain for a few minutes, but he gathered his strength, stood up and said "Okay, now it is my turn" The farmer said "Naw. Keep the damn duck" |
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Dave Smith wrote:
> Internet Traveler wrote: > > >>Xenophobia might not be such a bad thing... >>The dumbest part of the reporters story was "We do not know who shot >>first"... >>Take a wild guess... > > > A guess is as good as you can do. Would it be the guy in the blind or > the guys who though it was their blind and had the right to shoot a > trespasser? > From what I can tell from numerous news accounts, a tresspasser opened fire without warning on a hunting party when they told him he had to leave. When their buddies came to investigate, he shot them too. It's pretty obvious that the hunters didn't return fire because they would have had longer-ranged and more accurate rifles. If the hunters had started it, or if they had returned fire, the tresspasser would be dead and at most 1 or 2 of the hunters would have been shot. Bob |
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Dave Smith wrote:
> Internet Traveler wrote: > > >>Xenophobia might not be such a bad thing... >>The dumbest part of the reporters story was "We do not know who shot >>first"... >>Take a wild guess... > > > A guess is as good as you can do. Would it be the guy in the blind or > the guys who though it was their blind and had the right to shoot a > trespasser? > From what I can tell from numerous news accounts, a tresspasser opened fire without warning on a hunting party when they told him he had to leave. When their buddies came to investigate, he shot them too. It's pretty obvious that the hunters didn't return fire because they would have had longer-ranged and more accurate rifles. If the hunters had started it, or if they had returned fire, the tresspasser would be dead and at most 1 or 2 of the hunters would have been shot. Bob |
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zxcvbob wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote: > >> Internet Traveler wrote: >> >> >>> Xenophobia might not be such a bad thing... >>> The dumbest part of the reporters story was "We do not know who shot >>> first"... >>> Take a wild guess... >> >> >> >> A guess is as good as you can do. Would it be the guy in the blind or >> the guys who though it was their blind and had the right to shoot a >> trespasser? >> > > From what I can tell from numerous news accounts, a tresspasser opened > fire without warning on a hunting party when they told him he had to > leave. When their buddies came to investigate, he shot them too. > > It's pretty obvious that the hunters didn't return fire because they > would have had longer-ranged and more accurate rifles. If the hunters > had started it, or if they had returned fire, the tresspasser would be > dead and at most 1 or 2 of the hunters would have been shot. > > Bob http://www.startribune.com/stories/462/5098233.html Bob |
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zxcvbob wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote: > >> Internet Traveler wrote: >> >> >>> Xenophobia might not be such a bad thing... >>> The dumbest part of the reporters story was "We do not know who shot >>> first"... >>> Take a wild guess... >> >> >> >> A guess is as good as you can do. Would it be the guy in the blind or >> the guys who though it was their blind and had the right to shoot a >> trespasser? >> > > From what I can tell from numerous news accounts, a tresspasser opened > fire without warning on a hunting party when they told him he had to > leave. When their buddies came to investigate, he shot them too. > > It's pretty obvious that the hunters didn't return fire because they > would have had longer-ranged and more accurate rifles. If the hunters > had started it, or if they had returned fire, the tresspasser would be > dead and at most 1 or 2 of the hunters would have been shot. > > Bob http://www.startribune.com/stories/462/5098233.html Bob |
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The Ranger wrote:
> On 22 Nov 2004 15:43:43 GMT, (PENMART01) wrote: > >><STRONG>Five Dead, Three Hurt in Wisconsin Hunting >>Dispute</STRONG> >> >>Excellent! > > > Only if you're the one left standing (or still sitting in the > perch) bullet-free. > > The Ranger It's too bad that Mr. Vang didn't resist arrest when he was apprehended. In a report I read this afternoon, a Minnesota newspaper (I think it was the St. Paul _Pioneer Press_) tried to excuse the massacre because S.E. Asian immigrants are not used to the concept of private property. I predict signs will be going up in rural MN and WI, saying something like "POSTED: Armed Trespassers will be Shot on Sight" Best regards, Bob |
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The Ranger wrote:
> On 22 Nov 2004 15:43:43 GMT, (PENMART01) wrote: > >><STRONG>Five Dead, Three Hurt in Wisconsin Hunting >>Dispute</STRONG> >> >>Excellent! > > > Only if you're the one left standing (or still sitting in the > perch) bullet-free. > > The Ranger It's too bad that Mr. Vang didn't resist arrest when he was apprehended. In a report I read this afternoon, a Minnesota newspaper (I think it was the St. Paul _Pioneer Press_) tried to excuse the massacre because S.E. Asian immigrants are not used to the concept of private property. I predict signs will be going up in rural MN and WI, saying something like "POSTED: Armed Trespassers will be Shot on Sight" Best regards, Bob |
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Howard Larson wrote:
> > Sheldon, when I was growing up in rural Wisconsin, we were poor. I > hunted deer every season since I was 12. For me, this wasn't sport. > Bagging a buck meant there would be meat on the table for the rest of > the year. > > I quit hunting when I was 20. The woods was too crowded with people > who didn't know what they were doing or didn't give a damn. When I > heard the sound of a bullet whistling over head, I decided enough was > enough. > Heck, some hunters are so stupid that you don't even have to go into the bush to get shot. I caught a blast of No. 5 shot once while driving down the road. Some idiot hunting blackbirds in a cherry orchard mistook my truck for game. No,5 shot just puts a small hole in your hide, but it sure does smart and it leaves a huge bruise. |
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Howard Larson wrote:
> > Sheldon, when I was growing up in rural Wisconsin, we were poor. I > hunted deer every season since I was 12. For me, this wasn't sport. > Bagging a buck meant there would be meat on the table for the rest of > the year. > > I quit hunting when I was 20. The woods was too crowded with people > who didn't know what they were doing or didn't give a damn. When I > heard the sound of a bullet whistling over head, I decided enough was > enough. > Heck, some hunters are so stupid that you don't even have to go into the bush to get shot. I caught a blast of No. 5 shot once while driving down the road. Some idiot hunting blackbirds in a cherry orchard mistook my truck for game. No,5 shot just puts a small hole in your hide, but it sure does smart and it leaves a huge bruise. |
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Andrew H. Carter wrote:
> On 22 Nov 2004 15:43:43 GMT, (PENMART01) > scribbled some thoughts: > > >> <STRONG>Five Dead, Three Hurt in Wisconsin Hunting Dispute</STRONG> >> >> Excellent! >> ---= BOYCOTT FRANCE (belgium) GERMANY--SPAIN =--- >> ---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =--- >> ********* >> "Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation." >> Sheldon >> ```````````` > I wonder how long a vegetarian would stay a vegetarian if a > savage dog attacked him/her What the hell is *this* rant about? You got a problem with vegetarians? (No, I'm not one.) I doubt seriously if getting attacked by a savage dog would bring about a change to a vegetarian's diet. Just how much have you had to drink? Jill |
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Andrew H. Carter wrote:
> On 22 Nov 2004 15:43:43 GMT, (PENMART01) > scribbled some thoughts: > > >> <STRONG>Five Dead, Three Hurt in Wisconsin Hunting Dispute</STRONG> >> >> Excellent! >> ---= BOYCOTT FRANCE (belgium) GERMANY--SPAIN =--- >> ---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =--- >> ********* >> "Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation." >> Sheldon >> ```````````` > I wonder how long a vegetarian would stay a vegetarian if a > savage dog attacked him/her What the hell is *this* rant about? You got a problem with vegetarians? (No, I'm not one.) I doubt seriously if getting attacked by a savage dog would bring about a change to a vegetarian's diet. Just how much have you had to drink? Jill |
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<S>Five<S/> Six Dead, Three Hurt in Wisconsin Hunting Dispute
<STRONG>Excellent!<STRONG/> ---= BOYCOTT FRANCE (belgium) GERMANY--SPAIN =--- ---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =--- ********* "Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation." Sheldon ```````````` |
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On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:43:43 +0000, PENMART01 wrote:
> <STRONG>Five Dead, Three Hurt in Wisconsin Hunting Dispute</STRONG> > > Excellent! you are not too bright... |
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On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 05:06:19 -0600, "jmcquown"
> scribbled some thoughts: >Andrew H. Carter wrote: >> On 22 Nov 2004 15:43:43 GMT, (PENMART01) >> scribbled some thoughts: >> >> >>> <STRONG>Five Dead, Three Hurt in Wisconsin Hunting Dispute</STRONG> >>> >>> Excellent! >>> ---= BOYCOTT FRANCE (belgium) GERMANY--SPAIN =--- >>> ---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =--- >>> ********* >>> "Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation." >>> Sheldon >>> ```````````` >> > I wonder how long a vegetarian would stay a vegetarian if a >> savage dog attacked him/her > >What the hell is *this* rant about? You got a problem with vegetarians? >(No, I'm not one.) I doubt seriously if getting attacked by a savage dog >would bring about a change to a vegetarian's diet. Just how much have you >had to drink? > >Jill > Nothing against vegetarians, but from the post it appeared as though they have an anti-hunting stance. So, if one has an anti-hunting stance, there must be a reason? Vegetarian? BTW, nothing to drink. I just see the connexion without supplying the path. The reader must arrive at the conclusion themselves. -- Sincerely, | NOTE: Best viewed in a fixed pitch font | (©) (©) Andrew H. Carter | ------ooo--(_)--ooo------ d(-_-)b | /// \\\ |
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On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 05:06:19 -0600, "jackassmcquown"
> brayed at Andrew H. Carter: > > I wonder how long a vegetarian would stay a > > vegetarian if a savage dog attacked him/her > > What the hell is *this* rant about? [snip remaining braying] I see you've missed an application of Prince Valium. You've snipped his opening line "Time to play devil's advocate" but creative cutting's never stopped you from blathering aimlessly. The Ranger ObFood: Venison medallions in a port reduction, smothered in sautéed spring onions, and garlic potatoes. |
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On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 05:06:19 -0600, "jackassmcquown"
> brayed at Andrew H. Carter: > > I wonder how long a vegetarian would stay a > > vegetarian if a savage dog attacked him/her > > What the hell is *this* rant about? [snip remaining braying] I see you've missed an application of Prince Valium. You've snipped his opening line "Time to play devil's advocate" but creative cutting's never stopped you from blathering aimlessly. The Ranger ObFood: Venison medallions in a port reduction, smothered in sautéed spring onions, and garlic potatoes. |
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"Internet Traveler" > wrote in message >...
> Xenophobia might not be such a bad thing... > The dumbest part of the reporters story was "We do not know who shot > first"... > Take a wild guess... > Among the 8 killed & wounded, there was only one gun. The Hmong came down out of the tree stand, when asked, started to walk away, and then whirled around and shot everything within range with his semi-automatic. He must have thought he was playing a video game. Tragic, and I think unprecedented. N. |
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"Internet Traveler" > wrote in message >...
> Xenophobia might not be such a bad thing... > The dumbest part of the reporters story was "We do not know who shot > first"... > Take a wild guess... > Among the 8 killed & wounded, there was only one gun. The Hmong came down out of the tree stand, when asked, started to walk away, and then whirled around and shot everything within range with his semi-automatic. He must have thought he was playing a video game. Tragic, and I think unprecedented. N. |
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"Andrew H. Carter" > wrote in message ... > On 22 Nov 2004 15:43:43 GMT, (PENMART01) > Time to play the Devil's Advocate: Wouldn't it be > hillarious if your spouse/mother/father/brother/sister/child > was shot in just such a manner? Why is it excellent? When > an issue like this does not hit close to home, people make > light of it, but when it hits close to home, or home, > feelings change. True. > I wonder how long a vegetarian would stay a vegetarian if a > savage dog attacked him/her, or they were out camping miles > from nowhere, or their plane went down and it was in the > middle of nowhere. You need to know that there are different kinds of vegetarians. Not all vegetarians are vegan (strict "ethical" vegetarians who choose not to support animal exploitation through diet and lifestyle). Some vegetarians choose not to eat meat and/or dairy and/or eggs for health, environmental, or religious reasons among others. Please do not generalize all vegetarians together. > Some vegetation can kill a person, some > animals can kill a person if bitten, but rarely if eaten, > the possible exception being rabbit as eating too much in a > survival situation would cause one to be dehydrated. Does > the vegetarian try to find edible plants? What if there > aren't any that they can find? Wait it out, or does the > gene that makes the self preservation kick in and one > devises a way to trap an animal, kill it then eat it? Smart people usually don't put themselves in that sort of situation. When I go to the backwoods I usually take the necessary precautions to get me through safely, including enough food and water. It's actually pretty hard these days to find a place where you are truely lost to the point where survivability is an issue. However, it could happen and if it did then the circumstances and will of the persons involved will dictate the outcome. It's too hard to speculate on something like that. > Plants "eat" animals when the animals die, via their roots, > so even vegetarians are true vegetarians, for they are > eating animals once removed. Sigh, please THINK about what you're writing. > Personally, I see no reason to go hunting, when there are > farms which raise animals to be slaughtered. How about the severe deer overpopulations all over the country? Or some less fortunate people who find it difficult to afford meat from a grocery store? Or the increasing threats of food-borne illnesses from commercial food processing/handling? Or the antibiotics, steroids, growth hormones, etc. that factory farms typically feed to grain-fed cattle? Or the increasing evidence linking saturated fats found in commercial meats to heart disease and cancer? There are a few reasons for you. > Still, in a > survival situation, I'd trap an animal, or if lucky enough > find some black walnuts in husks and find a pool off a creek > with fish in it and to save the energy of expending to catch > the fish, drop a walnut and husk in the water: the fish from > what I've read will rise the the surface ready to be caught > and eaten, the husk has a toxin which will kill fish. So > ideally one would not want to go overboard, or one could > design a fish trap that funnels the fish in, but they don't > seem to find the way out at the center. More than likely you'll be eating insects, worms, inner tree bark and any other food source you can find. Walnuts and trout streams aren't always convenient. :^) |
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"Andrew H. Carter" > wrote in message ... > On 22 Nov 2004 15:43:43 GMT, (PENMART01) > Time to play the Devil's Advocate: Wouldn't it be > hillarious if your spouse/mother/father/brother/sister/child > was shot in just such a manner? Why is it excellent? When > an issue like this does not hit close to home, people make > light of it, but when it hits close to home, or home, > feelings change. True. > I wonder how long a vegetarian would stay a vegetarian if a > savage dog attacked him/her, or they were out camping miles > from nowhere, or their plane went down and it was in the > middle of nowhere. You need to know that there are different kinds of vegetarians. Not all vegetarians are vegan (strict "ethical" vegetarians who choose not to support animal exploitation through diet and lifestyle). Some vegetarians choose not to eat meat and/or dairy and/or eggs for health, environmental, or religious reasons among others. Please do not generalize all vegetarians together. > Some vegetation can kill a person, some > animals can kill a person if bitten, but rarely if eaten, > the possible exception being rabbit as eating too much in a > survival situation would cause one to be dehydrated. Does > the vegetarian try to find edible plants? What if there > aren't any that they can find? Wait it out, or does the > gene that makes the self preservation kick in and one > devises a way to trap an animal, kill it then eat it? Smart people usually don't put themselves in that sort of situation. When I go to the backwoods I usually take the necessary precautions to get me through safely, including enough food and water. It's actually pretty hard these days to find a place where you are truely lost to the point where survivability is an issue. However, it could happen and if it did then the circumstances and will of the persons involved will dictate the outcome. It's too hard to speculate on something like that. > Plants "eat" animals when the animals die, via their roots, > so even vegetarians are true vegetarians, for they are > eating animals once removed. Sigh, please THINK about what you're writing. > Personally, I see no reason to go hunting, when there are > farms which raise animals to be slaughtered. How about the severe deer overpopulations all over the country? Or some less fortunate people who find it difficult to afford meat from a grocery store? Or the increasing threats of food-borne illnesses from commercial food processing/handling? Or the antibiotics, steroids, growth hormones, etc. that factory farms typically feed to grain-fed cattle? Or the increasing evidence linking saturated fats found in commercial meats to heart disease and cancer? There are a few reasons for you. > Still, in a > survival situation, I'd trap an animal, or if lucky enough > find some black walnuts in husks and find a pool off a creek > with fish in it and to save the energy of expending to catch > the fish, drop a walnut and husk in the water: the fish from > what I've read will rise the the surface ready to be caught > and eaten, the husk has a toxin which will kill fish. So > ideally one would not want to go overboard, or one could > design a fish trap that funnels the fish in, but they don't > seem to find the way out at the center. More than likely you'll be eating insects, worms, inner tree bark and any other food source you can find. Walnuts and trout streams aren't always convenient. :^) |
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"Andrew H. Carter" > wrote in message ... > On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 05:06:19 -0600, "jmcquown" > Nothing against vegetarians, but from the post it appeared > as though they have an anti-hunting stance. So, if one has > an anti-hunting stance, there must be a reason? Vegetarian? I think the OP was commenting on the tragedy of the story with an odd sense of humor. > BTW, nothing to drink. I just see the connexion without > supplying the path. The reader must arrive at the > conclusion themselves. Hopefully they will arrive at a different conclusion than you have... |
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> "C. James Strutz"
> >It's actually pretty hard >these days to find a place where you are truely lost to the point where >survivability is an issue. You're not an outdoorsman... only outdoors you've ever seen is in a Natural Geographic magazine. It's actually very easy to get lost in the woods, don't need any large wooded area either, people become disoriented in relatively small wooded areas all the time, even very experienced outdoors types. especially those because they think they know it all. And doesn't have to be any big wilderness area either...folks get lost in the Long Island, NY Pine Barrens all the time, often within a couple hundred yards of major populated areas and/or major roadways... quite a few are found years later, well, their bones. Especially for C. James Strunz: http://www.tutorials.com/04/0434/0434.asp ---= BOYCOTT FRANCE (belgium) GERMANY--SPAIN =--- ---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =--- ********* "Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation." Sheldon ```````````` |
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C. James Strutz wrote:
> > Smart people usually don't put themselves in that sort of situation. When I > go to the backwoods I usually take the necessary precautions to get me > through safely, including enough food and water. It's actually pretty hard > these days to find a place where you are truely lost to the point where > survivability is an issue. However, it could happen and if it did then the > circumstances and will of the persons involved will dictate the outcome. > It's too hard to speculate on something like that. > Actually, it's not really all that difficult to get "turned around" in most stands of timber, especially if it's very thick. That's why I bought a good GPS and always carry spare/fresh batteries. I haven't *had* to rely on it yet but it's nice to know I have it. (with waypoints marked of course) -- Steve Every job is a self-portrait of the person who did it. Autograph your work with excellence. |
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C. James Strutz wrote:
> > Smart people usually don't put themselves in that sort of situation. When I > go to the backwoods I usually take the necessary precautions to get me > through safely, including enough food and water. It's actually pretty hard > these days to find a place where you are truely lost to the point where > survivability is an issue. However, it could happen and if it did then the > circumstances and will of the persons involved will dictate the outcome. > It's too hard to speculate on something like that. > Actually, it's not really all that difficult to get "turned around" in most stands of timber, especially if it's very thick. That's why I bought a good GPS and always carry spare/fresh batteries. I haven't *had* to rely on it yet but it's nice to know I have it. (with waypoints marked of course) -- Steve Every job is a self-portrait of the person who did it. Autograph your work with excellence. |
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>Not to make light of this tragedy but there is an old joke about an
>incident like this (snipped for brevity) *laughing perty dang hard* That was cute! |
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> I wonder how long a vegetarian would stay a vegetarian if a
>> savage dog attacked him/her, or they were out camping miles >> from nowhere, or their plane went down and it was in the >> middle of nowhere. I don't know but this comes to mind-- "Ever eat a Pine tree-- some parts are edible" Who was this guy again?(I'm so bad with names *laughs*) Ever climb a pine tree? Comes in handy when savage dogs attack. *evil grin* Barb |
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> I wonder how long a vegetarian would stay a vegetarian if a
>> savage dog attacked him/her, or they were out camping miles >> from nowhere, or their plane went down and it was in the >> middle of nowhere. I don't know but this comes to mind-- "Ever eat a Pine tree-- some parts are edible" Who was this guy again?(I'm so bad with names *laughs*) Ever climb a pine tree? Comes in handy when savage dogs attack. *evil grin* Barb |
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Barbtail wrote:
>>I wonder how long a vegetarian would stay a vegetarian if a >> >>>savage dog attacked him/her, or they were out camping miles >>>from nowhere, or their plane went down and it was in the >>>middle of nowhere. > > > I don't know but this comes to mind-- > > "Ever eat a Pine tree-- some parts are edible" Who was this guy again?(I'm so > bad with names *laughs*) > Euell Gibbons. (I had to look up the spelling) Best regards, Bob |
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Barbtail wrote:
>>I wonder how long a vegetarian would stay a vegetarian if a >> >>>savage dog attacked him/her, or they were out camping miles >>>from nowhere, or their plane went down and it was in the >>>middle of nowhere. > > > I don't know but this comes to mind-- > > "Ever eat a Pine tree-- some parts are edible" Who was this guy again?(I'm so > bad with names *laughs*) > Euell Gibbons. (I had to look up the spelling) Best regards, Bob |
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PENMART01 wrote:
> It's actually very easy to get lost in the woods, don't need any large wooded > area either, people become disoriented in relatively small wooded areas all the > time, even very experienced outdoors types. especially those because they think > they know it all. And doesn't have to be any big wilderness area > either...folks get lost in the Long Island, NY Pine Barrens all the time, often > within a couple hundred yards of major populated areas and/or major roadways... > quite a few are found years later, well, their bones. Some people can get lost in their backyard. Some people just don't have a good sense of direction and others are so unaccustomed to wildlife that they cannot distinguish one type of tree from another, never mind trees of the same species. I have spent a lot of time in the woods and never been lost, but on some of my treks the people I was with were totally disoriented. Some people's definition of heavy bush is a lot different My personal definition of heavy bush is one that includes thick underbrush. It is thick and at eye level, obstructing your view and your movement. When bush is too thick to walk through you have to keep changing direction, making you walk farther and increases the probability of losing your bearings. The pictures I saw of the site of this incident were described as being heavy bush, but what I was was large well spaced hardwood trees and no apparent underbrush. That is not a thick forest or dense brush in my books, just a bunch of big trees. |
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PENMART01 wrote:
> It's actually very easy to get lost in the woods, don't need any large wooded > area either, people become disoriented in relatively small wooded areas all the > time, even very experienced outdoors types. especially those because they think > they know it all. And doesn't have to be any big wilderness area > either...folks get lost in the Long Island, NY Pine Barrens all the time, often > within a couple hundred yards of major populated areas and/or major roadways... > quite a few are found years later, well, their bones. Some people can get lost in their backyard. Some people just don't have a good sense of direction and others are so unaccustomed to wildlife that they cannot distinguish one type of tree from another, never mind trees of the same species. I have spent a lot of time in the woods and never been lost, but on some of my treks the people I was with were totally disoriented. Some people's definition of heavy bush is a lot different My personal definition of heavy bush is one that includes thick underbrush. It is thick and at eye level, obstructing your view and your movement. When bush is too thick to walk through you have to keep changing direction, making you walk farther and increases the probability of losing your bearings. The pictures I saw of the site of this incident were described as being heavy bush, but what I was was large well spaced hardwood trees and no apparent underbrush. That is not a thick forest or dense brush in my books, just a bunch of big trees. |
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