Steve Calvin wrote:

> Actually, it's not really all that difficult to get "turned around" in
> most stands of timber, especially if it's very thick. That's why I
> bought a good GPS and always carry spare/fresh batteries. I haven't
> *had* to rely on it yet but it's nice to know I have it. (with waypoints
> marked of course)

I love all this high tech stuff. Whatever happened to a good old compass? It's a
lot easier to learn to read a compass than a GPS system, a hell of a lot cheaper.
The batteries don't die and they don't die when they get wet.

Barbtail wrote:

> > I wonder how long a vegetarian would stay a vegetarian if a
> >> savage dog attacked him/her, or they were out camping miles
> >> from nowhere, or their plane went down and it was in the
> >> middle of nowhere.
>
> I don't know but this comes to mind--
>
> "Ever eat a Pine tree-- some parts are edible" Who was this guy again?(I'm so
> bad with names *laughs*)
>
> Ever climb a pine tree? Comes in handy when savage dogs attack.

A word of advice.... do not climb pine trees to chase raccoons. The creature has
no where else to go and their bladders let go when you get too close. Just my
personal childhood experience :-)

> (Barbtail)
>
>> I wonder how long a vegetarian would stay a vegetarian if a
>>> savage dog attacked him/her, or they were out camping miles
>>> from nowhere, or their plane went down and it was in the
>>> middle of nowhere.
>
>I don't know but this comes to mind--
>
>"Ever eat a Pine tree-- some parts are edible" Who was this guy again?(I'm
>so bad with names *laughs*)

http://www.wildfoodadventures.com/euellgibbons.html


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> (Barbtail)
>
>> I wonder how long a vegetarian would stay a vegetarian if a
>>> savage dog attacked him/her, or they were out camping miles
>>> from nowhere, or their plane went down and it was in the
>>> middle of nowhere.
>
>I don't know but this comes to mind--
>
>"Ever eat a Pine tree-- some parts are edible" Who was this guy again?(I'm
>so bad with names *laughs*)

http://www.wildfoodadventures.com/euellgibbons.html


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Dave Smith wrote:
> Steve Calvin wrote:
>
>
>>Actually, it's not really all that difficult to get "turned around" in
>>most stands of timber, especially if it's very thick. That's why I
>>bought a good GPS and always carry spare/fresh batteries. I haven't
>>*had* to rely on it yet but it's nice to know I have it. (with waypoints
>>marked of course)
>
>
> I love all this high tech stuff. Whatever happened to a good old compass? It's a
> lot easier to learn to read a compass than a GPS system, a hell of a lot cheaper.
> The batteries don't die and they don't die when they get wet.
>
>
Grew up with a compass and topo maps (which I still carry btw) but why
not go easy if ya can. Besides that, I use it for route mapping (both in
woods and on roads) and a host of other things. To each their own, I'll
keep carryin' the GPS.

--
Steve

Every job is a self-portrait of the person who did it.
Autograph your work with excellence.

Dave Smith wrote:
> Steve Calvin wrote:
>
>
>>Actually, it's not really all that difficult to get "turned around" in
>>most stands of timber, especially if it's very thick. That's why I
>>bought a good GPS and always carry spare/fresh batteries. I haven't
>>*had* to rely on it yet but it's nice to know I have it. (with waypoints
>>marked of course)
>
>
> I love all this high tech stuff. Whatever happened to a good old compass? It's a
> lot easier to learn to read a compass than a GPS system, a hell of a lot cheaper.
> The batteries don't die and they don't die when they get wet.
>
>
Grew up with a compass and topo maps (which I still carry btw) but why
not go easy if ya can. Besides that, I use it for route mapping (both in
woods and on roads) and a host of other things. To each their own, I'll
keep carryin' the GPS.

--
Steve

Every job is a self-portrait of the person who did it.
Autograph your work with excellence.

"PENMART01" > wrote in message
...
>> "C. James Strutz"
>>
>>It's actually pretty hard
>>these days to find a place where you are truely lost to the point where
>>survivability is an issue.
>
> You're not an outdoorsman... only outdoors you've ever seen is in a
> Natural
> Geographic magazine.

Oh, I get outdoors a lot. I never get lost AND I never make stupid
assumptions about people I don't know.

> It's actually very easy to get lost in the woods, don't need any large
> wooded
> area either, people become disoriented in relatively small wooded areas
> all the
> time, even very experienced outdoors types. especially those because they
> think
> they know it all. And doesn't have to be any big wilderness area
> either...folks get lost in the Long Island, NY Pine Barrens all the time,
> often
> within a couple hundred yards of major populated areas and/or major
> roadways...
> quite a few are found years later, well, their bones.

Sorry, I don't buy it. There's no way anyone with reasonable intelligence
and awareness couldn't find their way "a couple hundred yards" away to some
kind of civilization. Anyone who can't follow the noise of traffic or the
lights of the city must be incapacitated somehow. MOST places are
sufficiently developed now that it's not hard to walk in a straight line and
run into something or someone.

"PENMART01" > wrote in message
...
>> "C. James Strutz"
>>
>>It's actually pretty hard
>>these days to find a place where you are truely lost to the point where
>>survivability is an issue.
>
> You're not an outdoorsman... only outdoors you've ever seen is in a
> Natural
> Geographic magazine.

Oh, I get outdoors a lot. I never get lost AND I never make stupid
assumptions about people I don't know.

> It's actually very easy to get lost in the woods, don't need any large
> wooded
> area either, people become disoriented in relatively small wooded areas
> all the
> time, even very experienced outdoors types. especially those because they
> think
> they know it all. And doesn't have to be any big wilderness area
> either...folks get lost in the Long Island, NY Pine Barrens all the time,
> often
> within a couple hundred yards of major populated areas and/or major
> roadways...
> quite a few are found years later, well, their bones.

Sorry, I don't buy it. There's no way anyone with reasonable intelligence
and awareness couldn't find their way "a couple hundred yards" away to some
kind of civilization. Anyone who can't follow the noise of traffic or the
lights of the city must be incapacitated somehow. MOST places are
sufficiently developed now that it's not hard to walk in a straight line and
run into something or someone.

>"C. James Strunz" claims:
>
>>"PENMART01" wrote:
>>> "C. James Strunz" claims:
>>>
>>>It's actually pretty hard
>>>these days to find a place where you are truely lost to the point where
>>>survivability is an issue.
>>
>> You're not an outdoorsman... only outdoors you've ever seen is in a
>> Natural Geographic magazine.
>
>Oh, I get outdoors a lot. I never get lost AND I never make stupid
>assumptions about people I don't know.

Not an assumption... read your own post... you are extremely stupid and a liar.
It's very easy to get lost on this planet, considering the vast portion is
uninhabited and extremely hostile. I seriously doubt your entire hillybilly
world is no wider than three miles from your front door... you are also a
jerk... not an assumption, fact.


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>"C. James Strunz" claims:
>
>>"PENMART01" wrote:
>>> "C. James Strunz" claims:
>>>
>>>It's actually pretty hard
>>>these days to find a place where you are truely lost to the point where
>>>survivability is an issue.
>>
>> You're not an outdoorsman... only outdoors you've ever seen is in a
>> Natural Geographic magazine.
>
>Oh, I get outdoors a lot. I never get lost AND I never make stupid
>assumptions about people I don't know.

Not an assumption... read your own post... you are extremely stupid and a liar.
It's very easy to get lost on this planet, considering the vast portion is
uninhabited and extremely hostile. I seriously doubt your entire hillybilly
world is no wider than three miles from your front door... you are also a
jerk... not an assumption, fact.


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PENMART01 wrote:
> <S>Five<S/> Six Dead, Three Hurt in Wisconsin Hunting Dispute
>
> <STRONG>Excellent!<STRONG/>
>
>
>
>
>
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Nice to know, in addition to all your other shortcomings, that you
endorse murder. Real good neighbor you are. How about a child molester
next door to you for company?


jim

"PENCILDICK" wrote in message
...
> >"C. James Strunz" claims:

>>Oh, I get outdoors a lot. I never get lost AND I never make stupid
>>assumptions about people I don't know.
>
> Not an assumption... read your own post... you are extremely stupid and a
> liar.
> It's very easy to get lost on this planet, considering the vast portion is
> uninhabited and extremely hostile. I seriously doubt your entire
> hillybilly
> world is no wider than three miles from your front door... you are also a
> jerk... not an assumption, fact.

Sure, there are lots of places where people can easily get lost. I'm sure
any of you can drop me in a place where I'd have a hard time finding my way
out of - no doubt. I'm not argueing that. I'm saying that most places in the
United States are close enough to civilization that most people could find
their way out and survive.

Now, about your attitude. You are one of those people who hide behind the
internet and abuse people with insults and bad language. There's nothing you
can write that can be taken seriously. Everyone sees through your rude,
obnoxious behavior and knows you for who you are; an angry coward with way
too much time on your hands. Your words have no power - go knock yourself
out.

"PENCILDICK" wrote in message
...
> >"C. James Strunz" claims:

>>Oh, I get outdoors a lot. I never get lost AND I never make stupid
>>assumptions about people I don't know.
>
> Not an assumption... read your own post... you are extremely stupid and a
> liar.
> It's very easy to get lost on this planet, considering the vast portion is
> uninhabited and extremely hostile. I seriously doubt your entire
> hillybilly
> world is no wider than three miles from your front door... you are also a
> jerk... not an assumption, fact.

Sure, there are lots of places where people can easily get lost. I'm sure
any of you can drop me in a place where I'd have a hard time finding my way
out of - no doubt. I'm not argueing that. I'm saying that most places in the
United States are close enough to civilization that most people could find
their way out and survive.

Now, about your attitude. You are one of those people who hide behind the
internet and abuse people with insults and bad language. There's nothing you
can write that can be taken seriously. Everyone sees through your rude,
obnoxious behavior and knows you for who you are; an angry coward with way
too much time on your hands. Your words have no power - go knock yourself
out.

>"C. James Strutz"
>
>I'm saying that most places in the
United States are close enough to civilization that most people could find
their way out and survive.

Wrong.


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>From: Dave Smith

>A word of advice.... do not climb pine trees to chase raccoons. The creature
>has
>no where else to go and their bladders let go when you get too close. Just
>my
>personal childhood experience :-)
>

*laughs!* I'll remember that piece of asvice, for sure!

*smiles*

Barb Anne

>From: Dave Smith

>A word of advice.... do not climb pine trees to chase raccoons. The creature
>has
>no where else to go and their bladders let go when you get too close. Just
>my
>personal childhood experience :-)
>

*laughs!* I'll remember that piece of asvice, for sure!

*smiles*

Barb Anne

Steve Calvin wrote:

> Actually, it's not really all that difficult to get "turned around" in
> most stands of timber, especially if it's very thick. That's why I
> bought a good GPS and always carry spare/fresh batteries. I haven't
> *had* to rely on it yet but it's nice to know I have it. (with waypoints
> marked of course)

Man, one time I missed a marker on Mt. Washington. No trees, just
rock piles you're supposed to follow. We were hiking down and
wound up on the road above treeline. (bad words deleted) Had to
hike back up to the last marker (I know they have a name). Bad
enough we had miles to go to the bottom, I sure didn't need the
extra mile/whatever. But at least I knew, head down. Little
different in the forest. Still, I'd just read the list of names
of people who'd died hiking on the mountain due to sudden bad
weather, and sure enough, it got a little shaky for a while.

I also once got completely turned around in a state park. How
embarrassing is that. It was getting dark, that was scary.
Where's a park ranger when you need them? (laugh) I coulda
used a good Mounty.

nancy

Steve Calvin wrote:

> Actually, it's not really all that difficult to get "turned around" in
> most stands of timber, especially if it's very thick. That's why I
> bought a good GPS and always carry spare/fresh batteries. I haven't
> *had* to rely on it yet but it's nice to know I have it. (with waypoints
> marked of course)

Man, one time I missed a marker on Mt. Washington. No trees, just
rock piles you're supposed to follow. We were hiking down and
wound up on the road above treeline. (bad words deleted) Had to
hike back up to the last marker (I know they have a name). Bad
enough we had miles to go to the bottom, I sure didn't need the
extra mile/whatever. But at least I knew, head down. Little
different in the forest. Still, I'd just read the list of names
of people who'd died hiking on the mountain due to sudden bad
weather, and sure enough, it got a little shaky for a while.

I also once got completely turned around in a state park. How
embarrassing is that. It was getting dark, that was scary.
Where's a park ranger when you need them? (laugh) I coulda
used a good Mounty.

nancy

"C. James Strutz" wrote:

> Sorry, I don't buy it. There's no way anyone with reasonable intelligence
> and awareness couldn't find their way "a couple hundred yards" away to some
> kind of civilization. Anyone who can't follow the noise of traffic or the
> lights of the city must be incapacitated somehow. MOST places are
> sufficiently developed now that it's not hard to walk in a straight line and
> run into something or someone.

You might be surprised how inept some reasonably intelligent people are when it
comes to getting lost in the woods. It is not always easy to determine the
direction of traffic noise in the woods, especially if it is hilly. The forest
can absorb sound, or deflect it. The places where a lot of people go deer
hunting are often not well developed. In fact, many developed places have
restrictions on the types of guns that can be used. Rifles, due to their range
are usually restricted to the undeveloped areas. To someone who is not used to
the forest, a tree is a tree, and remembering land markets by the species of
tree or the shape of a tree or clump of trees is difficult. The in this area is
hilly, with a lot of trees and streams. It is virtually impossible to walk a
straight line in any distance in the woods. If the sky is clear you can figure
out which way is north and south, but not if it is overcast, and during the
fall the sun is a lot further south than it is in the summer. Assuming the sun
is directly east or west can throw you off course enough over a mile or so that
you can get really discombobulated.

"C. James Strutz" wrote:

> Sorry, I don't buy it. There's no way anyone with reasonable intelligence
> and awareness couldn't find their way "a couple hundred yards" away to some
> kind of civilization. Anyone who can't follow the noise of traffic or the
> lights of the city must be incapacitated somehow. MOST places are
> sufficiently developed now that it's not hard to walk in a straight line and
> run into something or someone.

You might be surprised how inept some reasonably intelligent people are when it
comes to getting lost in the woods. It is not always easy to determine the
direction of traffic noise in the woods, especially if it is hilly. The forest
can absorb sound, or deflect it. The places where a lot of people go deer
hunting are often not well developed. In fact, many developed places have
restrictions on the types of guns that can be used. Rifles, due to their range
are usually restricted to the undeveloped areas. To someone who is not used to
the forest, a tree is a tree, and remembering land markets by the species of
tree or the shape of a tree or clump of trees is difficult. The in this area is
hilly, with a lot of trees and streams. It is virtually impossible to walk a
straight line in any distance in the woods. If the sky is clear you can figure
out which way is north and south, but not if it is overcast, and during the
fall the sun is a lot further south than it is in the summer. Assuming the sun
is directly east or west can throw you off course enough over a mile or so that
you can get really discombobulated.

zxcvbob > wrote in message
>
> It's too bad that Mr. Vang didn't resist arrest when he was apprehended.
>
> In a report I read this afternoon, a Minnesota newspaper (I think it was
> the St. Paul _Pioneer Press_) tried to excuse the massacre because S.E.
> Asian immigrants are not used to the concept of private property.
>
> I predict signs will be going up in rural MN and WI, saying something
> like "POSTED: Armed Trespassers will be Shot on Sight"

The man has been in the U.S. for 20 years and served in the Army -
hard to believe he doesn't recognize the concept of private property.
In addition, he was hunting in Wisconsin with a Minnesota license.

Now he's saying that (1) someone shot at him first, and (2) it was an
ethnic thing ... convenient, isn't it, and isn't it funny how fast
someone figures out they can play a discrimination or hate card
without even thinking about it, and officials and victims figuratively
back off. The survivors' take on the incident will be interesting.

N.

zxcvbob > wrote in message
>
> It's too bad that Mr. Vang didn't resist arrest when he was apprehended.
>
> In a report I read this afternoon, a Minnesota newspaper (I think it was
> the St. Paul _Pioneer Press_) tried to excuse the massacre because S.E.
> Asian immigrants are not used to the concept of private property.
>
> I predict signs will be going up in rural MN and WI, saying something
> like "POSTED: Armed Trespassers will be Shot on Sight"

The man has been in the U.S. for 20 years and served in the Army -
hard to believe he doesn't recognize the concept of private property.
In addition, he was hunting in Wisconsin with a Minnesota license.

Now he's saying that (1) someone shot at him first, and (2) it was an
ethnic thing ... convenient, isn't it, and isn't it funny how fast
someone figures out they can play a discrimination or hate card
without even thinking about it, and officials and victims figuratively
back off. The survivors' take on the incident will be interesting.

N.

Dog3 > wrote in message >...
> (PENMART01) wrote in
> :
>
> > <S>Five<S/> Six Dead, Three Hurt in Wisconsin Hunting Dispute
> >
> > <STRONG>Excellent!<STRONG/>
>
> Sheldon, do you ever get poachers on your farm? I'm sure you probably
> don't allow hunting on your property. Inexperienced hunters can be very
> dangerous.
>
> Michael

Farm? I thought Shel lived in an apartment. In any event, none of
these hunters were amateurs - and if Sheldon let any hunters on his
property, they'd likely mistake him for a beast of some kind and take
a few potshots. ;-)

N.

Dog3 > wrote in message >...
> (PENMART01) wrote in
> :
>
> > <S>Five<S/> Six Dead, Three Hurt in Wisconsin Hunting Dispute
> >
> > <STRONG>Excellent!<STRONG/>
>
> Sheldon, do you ever get poachers on your farm? I'm sure you probably
> don't allow hunting on your property. Inexperienced hunters can be very
> dangerous.
>
> Michael

Farm? I thought Shel lived in an apartment. In any event, none of
these hunters were amateurs - and if Sheldon let any hunters on his
property, they'd likely mistake him for a beast of some kind and take
a few potshots. ;-)

N.

Nancy Dooley wrote:

> The man has been in the U.S. for 20 years and served in the Army -
> hard to believe he doesn't recognize the concept of private property.
> In addition, he was hunting in Wisconsin with a Minnesota license.
>
> Now he's saying that (1) someone shot at him first, and (2) it was an
> ethnic thing ... convenient, isn't it, and isn't it funny how fast
> someone figures out they can play a discrimination or hate card
> without even thinking about it, and officials and victims figuratively
> back off. The survivors' take on the incident will be interesting.

I don't think he did it. His brother told reporters that he would not have
done anything like that.

Nancy Dooley wrote:

> The man has been in the U.S. for 20 years and served in the Army -
> hard to believe he doesn't recognize the concept of private property.
> In addition, he was hunting in Wisconsin with a Minnesota license.
>
> Now he's saying that (1) someone shot at him first, and (2) it was an
> ethnic thing ... convenient, isn't it, and isn't it funny how fast
> someone figures out they can play a discrimination or hate card
> without even thinking about it, and officials and victims figuratively
> back off. The survivors' take on the incident will be interesting.

I don't think he did it. His brother told reporters that he would not have
done anything like that.

Nancy Dooley wrote:

> The man has been in the U.S. for 20 years and served in the Army -
> hard to believe he doesn't recognize the concept of private property.
> In addition, he was hunting in Wisconsin with a Minnesota license.
>
> Now he's saying that (1) someone shot at him first, and (2) it was an
> ethnic thing ... convenient, isn't it, and isn't it funny how fast
> someone figures out they can play a discrimination or hate card
> without even thinking about it, and officials and victims figuratively
> back off. The survivors' take on the incident will be interesting.
>
> N.

not to mention that he was 'deer hunting' with an assault rifle

Nancy Dooley wrote:

> The man has been in the U.S. for 20 years and served in the Army -
> hard to believe he doesn't recognize the concept of private property.
> In addition, he was hunting in Wisconsin with a Minnesota license.
>
> Now he's saying that (1) someone shot at him first, and (2) it was an
> ethnic thing ... convenient, isn't it, and isn't it funny how fast
> someone figures out they can play a discrimination or hate card
> without even thinking about it, and officials and victims figuratively
> back off. The survivors' take on the incident will be interesting.
>
> N.

not to mention that he was 'deer hunting' with an assault rifle

zxcvbob wrote:

> Let's say (ridiculously) that he's right and they did shoot first. With
> the one gun in the party. That makes one justifiable homicide and 5
> first degree murders (plus tresspassing, and probably a bunch of other
> lesser violations.) It's especially difficult to justify shooting the
> unarmed folks that came later to try to rescue the first victims.
>
> I still wish he'd pointed that empty rifle at one of the game wardens or
> sheriff's deputies when they caught him. It could have saved the
> taxpayers a lot of money.

Nothing about the whole story makes any sense whatsoever unless it's
accepted that the guy must be FLAT OUT crazy.

nancy

zxcvbob wrote:

> Let's say (ridiculously) that he's right and they did shoot first. With
> the one gun in the party. That makes one justifiable homicide and 5
> first degree murders (plus tresspassing, and probably a bunch of other
> lesser violations.) It's especially difficult to justify shooting the
> unarmed folks that came later to try to rescue the first victims.
>
> I still wish he'd pointed that empty rifle at one of the game wardens or
> sheriff's deputies when they caught him. It could have saved the
> taxpayers a lot of money.

Nothing about the whole story makes any sense whatsoever unless it's
accepted that the guy must be FLAT OUT crazy.

nancy

A.C. wrote:

> Nancy Dooley wrote:
>
>
>>The man has been in the U.S. for 20 years and served in the Army -
>>hard to believe he doesn't recognize the concept of private property.
>>In addition, he was hunting in Wisconsin with a Minnesota license.
>>
>>Now he's saying that (1) someone shot at him first, and (2) it was an
>>ethnic thing ... convenient, isn't it, and isn't it funny how fast
>>someone figures out they can play a discrimination or hate card
>>without even thinking about it, and officials and victims figuratively
>>back off. The survivors' take on the incident will be interesting.
>>
>>N.
>
>
> not to mention that he was 'deer hunting' with an assault rifle
>
>


That's not all that unusual. Despite all the "high-powered assault
rifle" hype you've been hearing, the SKS uses the 7.62x39 cartridge,
which is very similar ballistically to the good ol' American .30-30.
It's actually between the .30 M1 carbine (which is not legal for big
game) and the .30-30 -- but closer to the .30-30.

The only thing that makes it an "assault rifle" is that it uses a Warsaw
Pact cartridge. I believe all the major ammo companies sell hunting
rounds for the 7.62x39. You wouldn't want to use military bullets to
hunt deer, but a military rifle works just fine. And the SKS didn't
even fit the legal definition of an "assault weapon" under the dubious
1994 ban that recently sunset.

Best regards,
Bob

A.C. wrote:

> Nancy Dooley wrote:
>
>
>>The man has been in the U.S. for 20 years and served in the Army -
>>hard to believe he doesn't recognize the concept of private property.
>>In addition, he was hunting in Wisconsin with a Minnesota license.
>>
>>Now he's saying that (1) someone shot at him first, and (2) it was an
>>ethnic thing ... convenient, isn't it, and isn't it funny how fast
>>someone figures out they can play a discrimination or hate card
>>without even thinking about it, and officials and victims figuratively
>>back off. The survivors' take on the incident will be interesting.
>>
>>N.
>
>
> not to mention that he was 'deer hunting' with an assault rifle
>
>


That's not all that unusual. Despite all the "high-powered assault
rifle" hype you've been hearing, the SKS uses the 7.62x39 cartridge,
which is very similar ballistically to the good ol' American .30-30.
It's actually between the .30 M1 carbine (which is not legal for big
game) and the .30-30 -- but closer to the .30-30.

The only thing that makes it an "assault rifle" is that it uses a Warsaw
Pact cartridge. I believe all the major ammo companies sell hunting
rounds for the 7.62x39. You wouldn't want to use military bullets to
hunt deer, but a military rifle works just fine. And the SKS didn't
even fit the legal definition of an "assault weapon" under the dubious
1994 ban that recently sunset.

Best regards,
Bob

On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:48:36 -0500, "A.C." > wrote:

>
>Nancy Dooley wrote:
>
>> The man has been in the U.S. for 20 years and served in the Army -
>> hard to believe he doesn't recognize the concept of private property.
>> In addition, he was hunting in Wisconsin with a Minnesota license.
>>
>> Now he's saying that (1) someone shot at him first, and (2) it was an
>> ethnic thing ... convenient, isn't it, and isn't it funny how fast
>> someone figures out they can play a discrimination or hate card
>> without even thinking about it, and officials and victims figuratively
>> back off. The survivors' take on the incident will be interesting.
>>
>> N.
>
>not to mention that he was 'deer hunting' with an assault rifle

That's not so strange as you think. You can purchase an SKS and fit
with a scope for about $200 as opposed to the $800 or so you'd spend
on a "real" deer rifle; it's a pretty common substitution around these
parts. I know this because I owe the venision in my freezer to an SKS
fitted with a scope. <obligatory food reference>

Regards,
Tracy R.

On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:48:36 -0500, "A.C." > wrote:

>
>Nancy Dooley wrote:
>
>> The man has been in the U.S. for 20 years and served in the Army -
>> hard to believe he doesn't recognize the concept of private property.
>> In addition, he was hunting in Wisconsin with a Minnesota license.
>>
>> Now he's saying that (1) someone shot at him first, and (2) it was an
>> ethnic thing ... convenient, isn't it, and isn't it funny how fast
>> someone figures out they can play a discrimination or hate card
>> without even thinking about it, and officials and victims figuratively
>> back off. The survivors' take on the incident will be interesting.
>>
>> N.
>
>not to mention that he was 'deer hunting' with an assault rifle

That's not so strange as you think. You can purchase an SKS and fit
with a scope for about $200 as opposed to the $800 or so you'd spend
on a "real" deer rifle; it's a pretty common substitution around these
parts. I know this because I owe the venision in my freezer to an SKS
fitted with a scope. <obligatory food reference>

Regards,
Tracy R.

zxcvbob wrote:

> I had some Hmoung neighbors a few years ago. We got along fine with
> them, and I took pictures at one of their weddings when I found out at
> the last minute that they couldn't afford a photographer.
>
> And I can't think of any ethnic slurs for Laosians. But maybe
> Wisconsinites are more articulate than I am.

I don't know of ant Hmong communities in this part of Canada, or any other part
of the country for that matter, and I don't recall ever hearing about any sort
of problems with that particular ethnic group.

> Let's say (ridiculously) that he's right and they did shoot first. With
> the one gun in the party. That makes one justifiable homicide and 5
> first degree murders (plus tresspassing, and probably a bunch of other
> lesser violations.) It's especially difficult to justify shooting the
> unarmed folks that came later to try to rescue the first victims.

It is incidents like this one and the one in which I was shot by a stupid
hunter, as opposed to a responsible hunter, that I am in favor of gun control
regulations.

> I still wish he'd pointed that empty rifle at one of the game wardens or
> sheriff's deputies when they caught him. It could have saved the
> taxpayers a lot of money.

Better down there than here. The last big profile shooting by a cop around here
saw the usual second guessing by the Special Investigations Unit, and some
tried to make a big deal of the fact that the guy's gun was jammed. He had
already shot one woman and was holding another hostage. And then there is the
race issue, since so many of those who get shot by cops are non-whites.

zxcvbob wrote:

> I had some Hmoung neighbors a few years ago. We got along fine with
> them, and I took pictures at one of their weddings when I found out at
> the last minute that they couldn't afford a photographer.
>
> And I can't think of any ethnic slurs for Laosians. But maybe
> Wisconsinites are more articulate than I am.

I don't know of ant Hmong communities in this part of Canada, or any other part
of the country for that matter, and I don't recall ever hearing about any sort
of problems with that particular ethnic group.

> Let's say (ridiculously) that he's right and they did shoot first. With
> the one gun in the party. That makes one justifiable homicide and 5
> first degree murders (plus tresspassing, and probably a bunch of other
> lesser violations.) It's especially difficult to justify shooting the
> unarmed folks that came later to try to rescue the first victims.

It is incidents like this one and the one in which I was shot by a stupid
hunter, as opposed to a responsible hunter, that I am in favor of gun control
regulations.

> I still wish he'd pointed that empty rifle at one of the game wardens or
> sheriff's deputies when they caught him. It could have saved the
> taxpayers a lot of money.

Better down there than here. The last big profile shooting by a cop around here
saw the usual second guessing by the Special Investigations Unit, and some
tried to make a big deal of the fact that the guy's gun was jammed. He had
already shot one woman and was holding another hostage. And then there is the
race issue, since so many of those who get shot by cops are non-whites.

Nancy Dooley wrote:
> Dog3 > wrote in message >...
>
(PENMART01) wrote in
:
>>
>>
>>><S>Five<S/> Six Dead, Three Hurt in Wisconsin Hunting Dispute
>>>
>>><STRONG>Excellent!<STRONG/>
>>
>>Sheldon, do you ever get poachers on your farm? I'm sure you probably
>>don't allow hunting on your property. Inexperienced hunters can be very
>>dangerous.
>>
>>Michael
>
>
> Farm? I thought Shel lived in an apartment. In any event, none of
> these hunters were amateurs - and if Sheldon let any hunters on his
> property, they'd likely mistake him for a beast of some kind and take
> a few potshots. ;-)
>
> N.

Mistake? If they've encountered him here, that would be doubtful.


jim

Nancy Dooley wrote:
> Dog3 > wrote in message >...
>
(PENMART01) wrote in
:
>>
>>
>>><S>Five<S/> Six Dead, Three Hurt in Wisconsin Hunting Dispute
>>>
>>><STRONG>Excellent!<STRONG/>
>>
>>Sheldon, do you ever get poachers on your farm? I'm sure you probably
>>don't allow hunting on your property. Inexperienced hunters can be very
>>dangerous.
>>
>>Michael
>
>
> Farm? I thought Shel lived in an apartment. In any event, none of
> these hunters were amateurs - and if Sheldon let any hunters on his
> property, they'd likely mistake him for a beast of some kind and take
> a few potshots. ;-)
>
> N.

Mistake? If they've encountered him here, that would be doubtful.


jim

>Nancy Dooley wrote:
>> Dog3 wrote:
>>
>>>(PENMART01) wrote:
>>>
>>>>Six Dead, Three Hurt in Wisconsin Hunting Dispute
>>>>
>>>>Excellent!
>>>
>>>Sheldon, do you ever get poachers on your farm? I'm sure you probably
>>>don't allow hunting on your property. Inexperienced hunters can be very
>>>dangerous.

My property is well POSTED, as are all my neighbors, no one permits hunting
along this entire road.

>> Farm? I thought Shel lived in an apartment.

Hmm, sure sounds like you're putting down appartment dwellers... tsk tsk

Last hunting season I spotted a few people from my kitchen window way out in in
my back hayfield... the funniest thing you ever saw is fat *******s all decked
out in hunting gear bogged down in frozen hay trying to outrun a Landcruiser...
one of them even begged me to let him retrieve the rifle he dropped.
Ahahahahahahaha. . . .


---= BOYCOTT FRANCE (belgium) GERMANY--SPAIN =---
---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =---
*********
"Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation."
Sheldon
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>Nancy Dooley wrote:
>> Dog3 wrote:
>>
>>>(PENMART01) wrote:
>>>
>>>>Six Dead, Three Hurt in Wisconsin Hunting Dispute
>>>>
>>>>Excellent!
>>>
>>>Sheldon, do you ever get poachers on your farm? I'm sure you probably
>>>don't allow hunting on your property. Inexperienced hunters can be very
>>>dangerous.

My property is well POSTED, as are all my neighbors, no one permits hunting
along this entire road.

>> Farm? I thought Shel lived in an apartment.

Hmm, sure sounds like you're putting down appartment dwellers... tsk tsk

Last hunting season I spotted a few people from my kitchen window way out in in
my back hayfield... the funniest thing you ever saw is fat *******s all decked
out in hunting gear bogged down in frozen hay trying to outrun a Landcruiser...
one of them even begged me to let him retrieve the rifle he dropped.
Ahahahahahahaha. . . .


---= BOYCOTT FRANCE (belgium) GERMANY--SPAIN =---
---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =---
*********
"Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation."
Sheldon
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