T wrote:

> We allow hunters only by written permssion and only those we have
> known for a long time.NO drinking allowed,do it and lose it.
>

Ever had one of them shoot you (and your daughter and a bunch of your
other friends and relatives) when you told them to leave? That appears
to be what happened in WI. The landowner was the first one shot by the
tresspasser.

Bob

zxcvbob wrote:
> T wrote:
>
>> We allow hunters only by written permssion and only those we have
>> known for a long time.NO drinking allowed,do it and lose it.
>>
>
> Ever had one of them shoot you (and your daughter and a bunch of your
> other friends and relatives) when you told them to leave? That appears
> to be what happened in WI. The landowner was the first one shot by the
> tresspasser.
>
> Bob

Now he's saying that they shot at him first. Anyone buy that one?
Somehow I think if they had shot at him first, he'd probably be the
one in the morgue or hospital.

--
Steve

Who was the first person to say, "See that chicken there... I'm gonna
eat the next thing that comes outta it's ass?"

zxcvbob wrote:
> T wrote:
>
>> We allow hunters only by written permssion and only those we have
>> known for a long time.NO drinking allowed,do it and lose it.
>>
>
> Ever had one of them shoot you (and your daughter and a bunch of your
> other friends and relatives) when you told them to leave? That appears
> to be what happened in WI. The landowner was the first one shot by the
> tresspasser.
>
> Bob

Now he's saying that they shot at him first. Anyone buy that one?
Somehow I think if they had shot at him first, he'd probably be the
one in the morgue or hospital.

--
Steve

Who was the first person to say, "See that chicken there... I'm gonna
eat the next thing that comes outta it's ass?"

Melba's Jammin' > wrote in message >...
> In article > ,
> (Nancy Dooley) wrote:
>
> > In addition, he was hunting in Wisconsin with a Minnesota license.
>
> You sure about that?

That's what the early news reports said - I didn't meet the guy,
myself. For what it's worth, he is from St. Paul and was in a deer
stand in Wisconsin.

N.

Melba's Jammin' > wrote in message >...
> In article > ,
> (Nancy Dooley) wrote:
>
> > In addition, he was hunting in Wisconsin with a Minnesota license.
>
> You sure about that?

That's what the early news reports said - I didn't meet the guy,
myself. For what it's worth, he is from St. Paul and was in a deer
stand in Wisconsin.

N.

Melba's Jammin' > wrote in message >...
> In article > ,
> (Nancy Dooley) wrote:
>
> > In addition, he was hunting in Wisconsin with a Minnesota license.
>
> You sure about that?

That would be what the news reports said...didn't see the guy, myself
;-) (He is from St. Paul - he was in a deer stand in Wisconsin, for
what that's worth.)

N.

Melba's Jammin' > wrote in message >...
> In article > ,
> (Nancy Dooley) wrote:
>
> > In addition, he was hunting in Wisconsin with a Minnesota license.
>
> You sure about that?

That would be what the news reports said...didn't see the guy, myself
;-) (He is from St. Paul - he was in a deer stand in Wisconsin, for
what that's worth.)

N.

Steve Calvin wrote:

>
> > Ever had one of them shoot you (and your daughter and a bunch of your
> > other friends and relatives) when you told them to leave? That appears
> > to be what happened in WI. The landowner was the first one shot by the
> > tresspasser.
> >
> > Bob
>
> Now he's saying that they shot at him first. Anyone buy that one?
> Somehow I think if they had shot at him first, he'd probably be the
> one in the morgue or hospital.
>

Yeah. I would buy it. I have heard enough talk about using a gun to chase
off intruders to think that they might have fired a warning shot, and that
shot might have been enough to set the guy off. It doesn't justify what the
guy said, but it might have pushed him over the edge.

(Nancy Dooley) writes:
> That's what the early news reports said - I didn't meet the guy,
> myself. For what it's worth, he is from St. Paul and was in a deer
> stand in Wisconsin.

Everything I've seen suggests his license was from Wisconsin. I'm
sure if he didn't have a legit Wisconsin license the incident report
would have mentioned that...

--
Richard W Kaszeta

http://www.kaszeta.org/rich

(Nancy Dooley) writes:
> That's what the early news reports said - I didn't meet the guy,
> myself. For what it's worth, he is from St. Paul and was in a deer
> stand in Wisconsin.

Everything I've seen suggests his license was from Wisconsin. I'm
sure if he didn't have a legit Wisconsin license the incident report
would have mentioned that...

--
Richard W Kaszeta

http://www.kaszeta.org/rich

Dave Smith > wrote:

> Steve Calvin wrote:
>
> >
> > > Ever had one of them shoot you (and your daughter and a bunch of your
> > > other friends and relatives) when you told them to leave? That appears
> > > to be what happened in WI. The landowner was the first one shot by the
> > > tresspasser.
> > >
> > > Bob
> >
> > Now he's saying that they shot at him first. Anyone buy that one?
> > Somehow I think if they had shot at him first, he'd probably be the
> > one in the morgue or hospital.
> >
>
> Yeah. I would buy it. I have heard enough talk about using a gun to chase
> off intruders to think that they might have fired a warning shot, and that
> shot might have been enough to set the guy off. It doesn't justify what the
> guy said, but it might have pushed him over the edge.

Well Dave,

The dead hunters and their families better HOPE the perp is lying about
them taking the first shot. Because IF the authorities find proof that
they did. Johnny Cochran may be able to get him off. All he would need
to do is seat you and 11 other libs.................

Dave Smith > wrote:

> Steve Calvin wrote:
>
> >
> > > Ever had one of them shoot you (and your daughter and a bunch of your
> > > other friends and relatives) when you told them to leave? That appears
> > > to be what happened in WI. The landowner was the first one shot by the
> > > tresspasser.
> > >
> > > Bob
> >
> > Now he's saying that they shot at him first. Anyone buy that one?
> > Somehow I think if they had shot at him first, he'd probably be the
> > one in the morgue or hospital.
> >
>
> Yeah. I would buy it. I have heard enough talk about using a gun to chase
> off intruders to think that they might have fired a warning shot, and that
> shot might have been enough to set the guy off. It doesn't justify what the
> guy said, but it might have pushed him over the edge.

Well Dave,

The dead hunters and their families better HOPE the perp is lying about
them taking the first shot. Because IF the authorities find proof that
they did. Johnny Cochran may be able to get him off. All he would need
to do is seat you and 11 other libs.................

The Wolf wrote:

>
> > > Now he's saying that they shot at him first. Anyone buy that one?
> > > Somehow I think if they had shot at him first, he'd probably be the
> > > one in the morgue or hospital.
> > >
> >
> > Yeah. I would buy it. I have heard enough talk about using a gun to chase
> > off intruders to think that they might have fired a warning shot, and that
> > shot might have been enough to set the guy off. It doesn't justify what the
> > guy said, but it might have pushed him over the edge.
>
> Well Dave,
>
> The dead hunters and their families better HOPE the perp is lying about
> them taking the first shot. Because IF the authorities find proof that
> they did. Johnny Cochran may be able to get him off. All he would need
> to do is seat you and 11 other libs.................

There you go again Wolf. You managed to read only the first sentence, and then
you short attention span let you down.

The Wolf wrote:

>
> > > Now he's saying that they shot at him first. Anyone buy that one?
> > > Somehow I think if they had shot at him first, he'd probably be the
> > > one in the morgue or hospital.
> > >
> >
> > Yeah. I would buy it. I have heard enough talk about using a gun to chase
> > off intruders to think that they might have fired a warning shot, and that
> > shot might have been enough to set the guy off. It doesn't justify what the
> > guy said, but it might have pushed him over the edge.
>
> Well Dave,
>
> The dead hunters and their families better HOPE the perp is lying about
> them taking the first shot. Because IF the authorities find proof that
> they did. Johnny Cochran may be able to get him off. All he would need
> to do is seat you and 11 other libs.................

There you go again Wolf. You managed to read only the first sentence, and then
you short attention span let you down.

The Wolf wrote:

> Dave Smith > wrote:
>
>
>>Steve Calvin wrote:
>>
>>>Now he's saying that they shot at him first. Anyone buy that one?
>>>Somehow I think if they had shot at him first, he'd probably be the
>>>one in the morgue or hospital.
>>>
>>
>>Yeah. I would buy it. I have heard enough talk about using a gun to chase
>>off intruders to think that they might have fired a warning shot, and that
>>shot might have been enough to set the guy off. It doesn't justify what the
>>guy said, but it might have pushed him over the edge.
>
>
> Well Dave,
>
> The dead hunters and their families better HOPE the perp is lying about
> them taking the first shot. Because IF the authorities find proof that
> they did. Johnny Cochran may be able to get him off. All he would need
> to do is seat you and 11 other libs.................

Well, given the hypothetical that they did shoot first. If I were in
the woods and someone took a shot in my direction on purpose you can
but your sweet *** that I'm firing back, but not warning shots. I'd
defy any court to convict me under those circumstances, assuming of
course that it could be proved who took the first shots which would be
extremely difficult.

--
Steve

Who was the first person to say, "See that chicken there... I'm gonna
eat the next thing that comes outta it's ass?"

The Wolf wrote:

> Dave Smith > wrote:
>
>
>>Steve Calvin wrote:
>>
>>>Now he's saying that they shot at him first. Anyone buy that one?
>>>Somehow I think if they had shot at him first, he'd probably be the
>>>one in the morgue or hospital.
>>>
>>
>>Yeah. I would buy it. I have heard enough talk about using a gun to chase
>>off intruders to think that they might have fired a warning shot, and that
>>shot might have been enough to set the guy off. It doesn't justify what the
>>guy said, but it might have pushed him over the edge.
>
>
> Well Dave,
>
> The dead hunters and their families better HOPE the perp is lying about
> them taking the first shot. Because IF the authorities find proof that
> they did. Johnny Cochran may be able to get him off. All he would need
> to do is seat you and 11 other libs.................

Well, given the hypothetical that they did shoot first. If I were in
the woods and someone took a shot in my direction on purpose you can
but your sweet *** that I'm firing back, but not warning shots. I'd
defy any court to convict me under those circumstances, assuming of
course that it could be proved who took the first shots which would be
extremely difficult.

--
Steve

Who was the first person to say, "See that chicken there... I'm gonna
eat the next thing that comes outta it's ass?"

Dave Smith > wrote:

> The Wolf wrote:
>
> >
> > > > Now he's saying that they shot at him first. Anyone buy that one?
> > > > Somehow I think if they had shot at him first, he'd probably be the
> > > > one in the morgue or hospital.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Yeah. I would buy it. I have heard enough talk about using a gun to
> > > chase off intruders to think that they might have fired a warning
> > > shot, and that shot might have been enough to set the guy off. It
> > > doesn't justify what the guy said, but it might have pushed him over
> > > the edge.
> >
> > Well Dave,
> >
> > The dead hunters and their families better HOPE the perp is lying about
> > them taking the first shot. Because IF the authorities find proof that
> > they did. Johnny Cochran may be able to get him off. All he would need
> > to do is seat you and 11 other libs.................
>
> There you go again Wolf. You managed to read only the first sentence, and
> then you short attention span let you down.

Didn't want to disapoint you

Dave Smith > wrote:

> The Wolf wrote:
>
> >
> > > > Now he's saying that they shot at him first. Anyone buy that one?
> > > > Somehow I think if they had shot at him first, he'd probably be the
> > > > one in the morgue or hospital.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Yeah. I would buy it. I have heard enough talk about using a gun to
> > > chase off intruders to think that they might have fired a warning
> > > shot, and that shot might have been enough to set the guy off. It
> > > doesn't justify what the guy said, but it might have pushed him over
> > > the edge.
> >
> > Well Dave,
> >
> > The dead hunters and their families better HOPE the perp is lying about
> > them taking the first shot. Because IF the authorities find proof that
> > they did. Johnny Cochran may be able to get him off. All he would need
> > to do is seat you and 11 other libs.................
>
> There you go again Wolf. You managed to read only the first sentence, and
> then you short attention span let you down.

Didn't want to disapoint you

Richard Kaszeta > wrote in message >...
> (Nancy Dooley) writes:
> > That's what the early news reports said - I didn't meet the guy,
> > myself. For what it's worth, he is from St. Paul and was in a deer
> > stand in Wisconsin.
>
> Everything I've seen suggests his license was from Wisconsin. I'm
> sure if he didn't have a legit Wisconsin license the incident report
> would have mentioned that...

Like I said, the early report I saw said he had a Minnesota license.
I don't really know.

N.

Richard Kaszeta > wrote in message >...
> (Nancy Dooley) writes:
> > That's what the early news reports said - I didn't meet the guy,
> > myself. For what it's worth, he is from St. Paul and was in a deer
> > stand in Wisconsin.
>
> Everything I've seen suggests his license was from Wisconsin. I'm
> sure if he didn't have a legit Wisconsin license the incident report
> would have mentioned that...

Like I said, the early report I saw said he had a Minnesota license.
I don't really know.

N.

On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 07:54:32 -0500, (T) wrote:

> A terrible tragedy,we should take a very close look at our
>immigration policies.

You need to learn the history of the Hmong. I'd say they have earned
a place in our country. We have a number of Hmong students at my
school.

Tara

On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 07:54:32 -0500, (T) wrote:

> A terrible tragedy,we should take a very close look at our
>immigration policies.

You need to learn the history of the Hmong. I'd say they have earned
a place in our country. We have a number of Hmong students at my
school.

Tara

Graphic Queen wrote:

>
> >Now he's saying that they shot at him first. Anyone buy that one?
> >Somehow I think if they had shot at him first, he'd probably be the
> >one in the morgue or hospital.
>
> The news says that there was only rifle between the people who got
> shot and it hadn't been fired. Another lie of the accused.

That's curious because a recent report says that the survivor claims that one
of the victims did fire, but that he shot after the trespasser shot first.

Graphic Queen wrote:

>
> >Now he's saying that they shot at him first. Anyone buy that one?
> >Somehow I think if they had shot at him first, he'd probably be the
> >one in the morgue or hospital.
>
> The news says that there was only rifle between the people who got
> shot and it hadn't been fired. Another lie of the accused.

That's curious because a recent report says that the survivor claims that one
of the victims did fire, but that he shot after the trespasser shot first.

Graphic Queen wrote:

> On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:29:19 -0500, Steve Calvin
> > wrote:
>
>
>>zxcvbob wrote:
>>
>>>T wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> We allow hunters only by written permssion and only those we have
>>>>known for a long time.NO drinking allowed,do it and lose it.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Ever had one of them shoot you (and your daughter and a bunch of your
>>>other friends and relatives) when you told them to leave? That appears
>>>to be what happened in WI. The landowner was the first one shot by the
>>>tresspasser.
>>>
>>>Bob
>>
>>Now he's saying that they shot at him first. Anyone buy that one?
>>Somehow I think if they had shot at him first, he'd probably be the
>>one in the morgue or hospital.
>
>
> The news says that there was only rifle between the people who got
> shot and it hadn't been fired. Another lie of the accused.

I hadn't heard that but I'd sure believe that as oppposed to the other
version.

--
Steve

Who was the first person to say, "See that chicken there... I'm gonna
eat the next thing that comes outta it's ass?"

Graphic Queen wrote:

> On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:29:19 -0500, Steve Calvin
> > wrote:
>
>
>>zxcvbob wrote:
>>
>>>T wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> We allow hunters only by written permssion and only those we have
>>>>known for a long time.NO drinking allowed,do it and lose it.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Ever had one of them shoot you (and your daughter and a bunch of your
>>>other friends and relatives) when you told them to leave? That appears
>>>to be what happened in WI. The landowner was the first one shot by the
>>>tresspasser.
>>>
>>>Bob
>>
>>Now he's saying that they shot at him first. Anyone buy that one?
>>Somehow I think if they had shot at him first, he'd probably be the
>>one in the morgue or hospital.
>
>
> The news says that there was only rifle between the people who got
> shot and it hadn't been fired. Another lie of the accused.

I hadn't heard that but I'd sure believe that as oppposed to the other
version.

--
Steve

Who was the first person to say, "See that chicken there... I'm gonna
eat the next thing that comes outta it's ass?"

Graphic Queen wrote:

> On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:40:47 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>
>>Graphic Queen wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>Now he's saying that they shot at him first. Anyone buy that one?
>>>>Somehow I think if they had shot at him first, he'd probably be the
>>>>one in the morgue or hospital.
>>>
>>>The news says that there was only rifle between the people who got
>>>shot and it hadn't been fired. Another lie of the accused.
>>
>>That's curious because a recent report says that the survivor claims that one
>>of the victims did fire, but that he shot after the trespasser shot first.
>>
>
> Well, it wouldn't be the first time an accused person lied! I have no
> idea since I wasn't there, but I heard the last news report they had
> here said that the rifle hadn't been shot. I am sure that the cops
> there would check to see if the rifle had been fired. Doesn't take a
> college education to figure that one out. I suppose we will hear more
> later after the police have done their investigation.
>

Well, it could take some investigation. For example, before I go into
the field I always fire a round at a target to "dirty" the barrel and
recreate the barrel conditions as closely as possible to when I
sighted it it. I don't clean the inside of the barrel out until the
end of the season after that so at any point if someone looked down
the barrel their initial opinion would be that it had been fired.
Which of course it has but not necessarily that particular day.

--
Steve

Who was the first person to say, "See that chicken there... I'm gonna
eat the next thing that comes outta it's ass?"

Graphic Queen wrote:

> On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 15:40:47 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>
>>Graphic Queen wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>Now he's saying that they shot at him first. Anyone buy that one?
>>>>Somehow I think if they had shot at him first, he'd probably be the
>>>>one in the morgue or hospital.
>>>
>>>The news says that there was only rifle between the people who got
>>>shot and it hadn't been fired. Another lie of the accused.
>>
>>That's curious because a recent report says that the survivor claims that one
>>of the victims did fire, but that he shot after the trespasser shot first.
>>
>
> Well, it wouldn't be the first time an accused person lied! I have no
> idea since I wasn't there, but I heard the last news report they had
> here said that the rifle hadn't been shot. I am sure that the cops
> there would check to see if the rifle had been fired. Doesn't take a
> college education to figure that one out. I suppose we will hear more
> later after the police have done their investigation.
>

Well, it could take some investigation. For example, before I go into
the field I always fire a round at a target to "dirty" the barrel and
recreate the barrel conditions as closely as possible to when I
sighted it it. I don't clean the inside of the barrel out until the
end of the season after that so at any point if someone looked down
the barrel their initial opinion would be that it had been fired.
Which of course it has but not necessarily that particular day.

--
Steve

Who was the first person to say, "See that chicken there... I'm gonna
eat the next thing that comes outta it's ass?"

Never anonymous Bud wrote:
>
> Trying to steal the thunder from Arnold, Allan Matthews > on Wed, 24 Nov 2004 12:55:43
> GMT spoke:
>
>
> WHAT does this thread have to do with cooking??
>
>

Oh, shut up.

nancy (what did you say have to do with cooking?)

Never anonymous Bud wrote:
>
> Trying to steal the thunder from Arnold, Allan Matthews > on Wed, 24 Nov 2004 12:55:43
> GMT spoke:
>
>
> WHAT does this thread have to do with cooking??
>
>

Oh, shut up.

nancy (what did you say have to do with cooking?)

Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> In article > ,
> (Nancy Dooley) wrote:
>
>
>>In addition, he was hunting in Wisconsin with a Minnesota license.
>
>
> You sure about that?


He had his WI hunting license number on his back. That's how he was
identified. He may have had a MN hunting license too, but that is
irrelevant.

A few other facts that I looked up at the WI DNR that people have been
speculating about:

http://www.dnr.state.wi.us/org/land/...egs/Deer04.pdf

It is illegal to:
• hunt with a fully automatic firearm.
• hunt with any means other than a gun discharged from the shoulder or a
bow and arrow. Handguns may be used as described under the “handgun
section” (page 9). Crossbows may be used as described under the “bows,
arrows, and crossbows section” (page 9).
• possess any firearm from 12:00 midnight - 11:59 p.m. on November 19,
2004 unless the firearm is unloaded and enclosed within a carrying case.
Exceptions: Regulations 8 Deer Firearm Restricted Areas Map (see page 28
for CWD Areas) target shooting at established target ranges, and on
private lands by landowners and family members, CWD zones (see page 38),
waterfowl hunting during open season, and hunting on licensed bird
hunting preserves. Note: An established target range means an existing
location that is set up for target shooting with firearms as its major
purpose.
• shoot a firearm within 100 yards of a building devoted to human
occupancy while on lands you do not own without the permission of the
owner or occupant of that building.
• hunt deer or bear with ammunition loaded with full metal jacket,
nonexpanding type bullets.
• possess or control any shotshell loaded with single slug or ball while
hunting, except during the gun season for deer or bear.
• possess while hunting, shotshells loaded with shot larger than No. BB
from June 1 - Nov. 30 (or June 1- Dec. 14 in Zone T and EAB units).


I couldn't find anything about magazine capacity being limited to 5 rounds:

Rifles:
• Must have an overall 26" minimum length with 16" minimum barrel length.
• Are legal for hunting deer in areas not restricted to shotgun,
muzzleloaders and handguns only as indicated by non-shaded areas on map
below.
• It is illegal to posses a rifle larger than .22 rimfire during any gun
deer season in shotgun only areas unless it is unloaded and enclosed
within a carrying case.
• It is illegal to hunt deer with a .22 or 5mm rimfire rifle or .177
caliber centerfire rifle.
• Any .22 caliber or larger centerfire rifle is legal to use to hunt deer.

Handguns:
• To be legal for deer, centerfire handguns must use cartridges of .22
caliber or larger and have a 5 1/2 inch minimum barrel, measured from
the firing pin to the muzzle with the action closed.
• You must be 18 years old to hunt with or possess a handgun.
Note: Target shooting with handguns by persons under the age of 18 years
is allowed only when supervised by an adult.
• You may not possess a concealed handgun.
• Muzzleloading handguns, see “Muzzleloaders” above.


So whatever Chinese rifle the guy had, it was a legal and appropriate
hunting rifle as long as it was not capable of fully-automatic fire, and
he was not using non-expanding (military) ammo.

Also (different than I thought), the folks that he gunned down *could*
have legally carried pistols as long as they were not concealed.

No one has yet been able to tell me an ethnic slur for Hmongs. I'm not
sure there is one. (I'm going for the credibility of his account of
what happened.) The closest thing I can find (from
thefreedictionary.com) is "Choong" or "rice picker." I guess they could
have called him the wrong thing, but wouldn't that be embarrassing?

Best regards,
Bob

Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> In article > ,
> (Nancy Dooley) wrote:
>
>
>>In addition, he was hunting in Wisconsin with a Minnesota license.
>
>
> You sure about that?


He had his WI hunting license number on his back. That's how he was
identified. He may have had a MN hunting license too, but that is
irrelevant.

A few other facts that I looked up at the WI DNR that people have been
speculating about:

http://www.dnr.state.wi.us/org/land/...egs/Deer04.pdf

It is illegal to:
• hunt with a fully automatic firearm.
• hunt with any means other than a gun discharged from the shoulder or a
bow and arrow. Handguns may be used as described under the “handgun
section” (page 9). Crossbows may be used as described under the “bows,
arrows, and crossbows section” (page 9).
• possess any firearm from 12:00 midnight - 11:59 p.m. on November 19,
2004 unless the firearm is unloaded and enclosed within a carrying case.
Exceptions: Regulations 8 Deer Firearm Restricted Areas Map (see page 28
for CWD Areas) target shooting at established target ranges, and on
private lands by landowners and family members, CWD zones (see page 38),
waterfowl hunting during open season, and hunting on licensed bird
hunting preserves. Note: An established target range means an existing
location that is set up for target shooting with firearms as its major
purpose.
• shoot a firearm within 100 yards of a building devoted to human
occupancy while on lands you do not own without the permission of the
owner or occupant of that building.
• hunt deer or bear with ammunition loaded with full metal jacket,
nonexpanding type bullets.
• possess or control any shotshell loaded with single slug or ball while
hunting, except during the gun season for deer or bear.
• possess while hunting, shotshells loaded with shot larger than No. BB
from June 1 - Nov. 30 (or June 1- Dec. 14 in Zone T and EAB units).


I couldn't find anything about magazine capacity being limited to 5 rounds:

Rifles:
• Must have an overall 26" minimum length with 16" minimum barrel length.
• Are legal for hunting deer in areas not restricted to shotgun,
muzzleloaders and handguns only as indicated by non-shaded areas on map
below.
• It is illegal to posses a rifle larger than .22 rimfire during any gun
deer season in shotgun only areas unless it is unloaded and enclosed
within a carrying case.
• It is illegal to hunt deer with a .22 or 5mm rimfire rifle or .177
caliber centerfire rifle.
• Any .22 caliber or larger centerfire rifle is legal to use to hunt deer.

Handguns:
• To be legal for deer, centerfire handguns must use cartridges of .22
caliber or larger and have a 5 1/2 inch minimum barrel, measured from
the firing pin to the muzzle with the action closed.
• You must be 18 years old to hunt with or possess a handgun.
Note: Target shooting with handguns by persons under the age of 18 years
is allowed only when supervised by an adult.
• You may not possess a concealed handgun.
• Muzzleloading handguns, see “Muzzleloaders” above.


So whatever Chinese rifle the guy had, it was a legal and appropriate
hunting rifle as long as it was not capable of fully-automatic fire, and
he was not using non-expanding (military) ammo.

Also (different than I thought), the folks that he gunned down *could*
have legally carried pistols as long as they were not concealed.

No one has yet been able to tell me an ethnic slur for Hmongs. I'm not
sure there is one. (I'm going for the credibility of his account of
what happened.) The closest thing I can find (from
thefreedictionary.com) is "Choong" or "rice picker." I guess they could
have called him the wrong thing, but wouldn't that be embarrassing?

Best regards,
Bob

On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:48:36 -0500, "A.C." > wrote:

>
>Nancy Dooley wrote:
>
>> The man has been in the U.S. for 20 years and served in the Army -
>> hard to believe he doesn't recognize the concept of private property.
>> In addition, he was hunting in Wisconsin with a Minnesota license.
>>
>> Now he's saying that (1) someone shot at him first, and (2) it was an
>> ethnic thing ... convenient, isn't it, and isn't it funny how fast
>> someone figures out they can play a discrimination or hate card
>> without even thinking about it, and officials and victims figuratively
>> back off. The survivors' take on the incident will be interesting.
>>
>> N.
>
>not to mention that he was 'deer hunting' with an assault rifle
>
Yes, one of them dangerous looking guns.
Pan Ohco

On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 16:48:36 -0500, "A.C." > wrote:

>
>Nancy Dooley wrote:
>
>> The man has been in the U.S. for 20 years and served in the Army -
>> hard to believe he doesn't recognize the concept of private property.
>> In addition, he was hunting in Wisconsin with a Minnesota license.
>>
>> Now he's saying that (1) someone shot at him first, and (2) it was an
>> ethnic thing ... convenient, isn't it, and isn't it funny how fast
>> someone figures out they can play a discrimination or hate card
>> without even thinking about it, and officials and victims figuratively
>> back off. The survivors' take on the incident will be interesting.
>>
>> N.
>
>not to mention that he was 'deer hunting' with an assault rifle
>
Yes, one of them dangerous looking guns.
Pan Ohco

Nancy Young wrote:

> Never anonymous Bud wrote:
>
>>Trying to steal the thunder from Arnold, Allan Matthews > on Wed, 24 Nov 2004 12:55:43
>>GMT spoke:
>>
>>
>>WHAT does this thread have to do with cooking??
>>
>>
>
>
> Oh, shut up.
>
> nancy (what did you say have to do with cooking?)

ok... I wanna challenge this post. I don't believe that the real Nancy
Young posted this. ;-D

--
Steve

Who was the first person to say, "See that chicken there... I'm gonna
eat the next thing that comes outta it's ass?"

Nancy Young wrote:

> Never anonymous Bud wrote:
>
>>Trying to steal the thunder from Arnold, Allan Matthews > on Wed, 24 Nov 2004 12:55:43
>>GMT spoke:
>>
>>
>>WHAT does this thread have to do with cooking??
>>
>>
>
>
> Oh, shut up.
>
> nancy (what did you say have to do with cooking?)

ok... I wanna challenge this post. I don't believe that the real Nancy
Young posted this. ;-D

--
Steve

Who was the first person to say, "See that chicken there... I'm gonna
eat the next thing that comes outta it's ass?"

Steve Calvin wrote:
>
> Nancy Young wrote:
>
> > Never anonymous Bud wrote:

> >>WHAT does this thread have to do with cooking??
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > Oh, shut up.
> >
> > nancy (what did you say have to do with cooking?)
>
> ok... I wanna challenge this post. I don't believe that the real Nancy
> Young posted this. ;-D

(laughing) I'm reminded of that Far Side (?) comic strip with the
barking dog and the owners tells it to SHUT UP! and the dog says,
shut up yourself.

You shut up, wiseguy. (smile)

nancy

Steve Calvin wrote:
>
> Nancy Young wrote:
>
> > Never anonymous Bud wrote:

> >>WHAT does this thread have to do with cooking??
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > Oh, shut up.
> >
> > nancy (what did you say have to do with cooking?)
>
> ok... I wanna challenge this post. I don't believe that the real Nancy
> Young posted this. ;-D

(laughing) I'm reminded of that Far Side (?) comic strip with the
barking dog and the owners tells it to SHUT UP! and the dog says,
shut up yourself.

You shut up, wiseguy. (smile)

nancy

Graphic Queen wrote:
>>
>>Yes, one of them dangerous looking guns.
>>Pan Ohco
>
>
> It was not an assault weapon. It is a SKS and I have one that I hunt
> with. It is a smaller rifle that is less barrel heavy and quite
> balanced.

True, the SKS *can* be fitted to be a great hunting rifle. But, it can
also be fitted to be a pretty darn good "sniper"/assault rifle as well.

I "heard" that he had it outfitted in more of an assault rifle style
but like everything else, we really don't know.

--
Steve

Who was the first person to say, "See that chicken there... I'm gonna
eat the next thing that comes outta it's ass?"

Graphic Queen wrote:
>>
>>Yes, one of them dangerous looking guns.
>>Pan Ohco
>
>
> It was not an assault weapon. It is a SKS and I have one that I hunt
> with. It is a smaller rifle that is less barrel heavy and quite
> balanced.

True, the SKS *can* be fitted to be a great hunting rifle. But, it can
also be fitted to be a pretty darn good "sniper"/assault rifle as well.

I "heard" that he had it outfitted in more of an assault rifle style
but like everything else, we really don't know.

--
Steve

Who was the first person to say, "See that chicken there... I'm gonna
eat the next thing that comes outta it's ass?"