I read something a few month back, can't recall the source,
warning about tainted mussels.

Said first, toss out any which open before cooking Â*
(steaming). Â* Then, discard any which fail to open as
they ought, ~ 5 minutes.

I don't get this. Isn't steam antiseptic? Are there microscopic
critters that would survive?

--
Rich

On 10/6/2020 2:13 PM, RichD wrote:
> I read something a few month back, can't recall the source,
> warning about tainted mussels.
>
> Said first, toss out any which open before cooking
> (steaming). Â* Then, discard any which fail to open as
> they ought, ~ 5 minutes.
>
> I don't get this. Isn't steam antiseptic? Are there microscopic
> critters that would survive?
>
> --
> Rich
>


microbes emit poisons which remain toxic despite heat treatment.

On Tue, 6 Oct 2020 14:30:01 -0700, Taxed and Spent wrote:

> On 10/6/2020 2:13 PM, RichD wrote:
>> I read something a few month back, can't recall the source,
>> warning about tainted mussels.
>>
>> Said first, toss out any which open before cooking
>> (steaming). * Then, discard any which fail to open as
>> they ought, ~ 5 minutes.
>>
>> I don't get this. Isn't steam antiseptic? Are there microscopic
>> critters that would survive?
>>
>> --
>> Rich
>>
>
>
> microbes emit poisons which remain toxic despite heat treatment.

The instruction to toss those that fail to open is apparently wrong and it
was started by Jane Grigson back in the 60s. ISTR it was some research in
Australia that pooh-poohed the idea.

On Tue, 6 Oct 2020 15:37:30 -0600, Graham wrote:

> The instruction to toss those that fail to open is apparently wrong and it
> was started by Jane Grigson back in the 60s. ISTR it was some research in
> Australia that pooh-poohed the idea.

Jane Grigson, really? I got a boo by here right here. It's kinda
oddly written: Charcuterie and French Pork Cookery.

-sw

On Tue, 6 Oct 2020 16:49:01 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:

> On Tue, 6 Oct 2020 15:37:30 -0600, Graham wrote:
>
>> The instruction to toss those that fail to open is apparently wrong and it
>> was started by Jane Grigson back in the 60s. ISTR it was some research in
>> Australia that pooh-poohed the idea.
>
> Jane Grigson, really? I got a boo by here right here. It's kinda
> oddly written: Charcuterie and French Pork Cookery.
>
> -sw

I can't remember where I read that but it was a sort of "off the cuff"
comment that she made and everyone followed it without question, usually
not even knowing its source.
It became one of those "shouldisms" like the "8 cups of water per day"
myth.

On Tue, 6 Oct 2020 18:59:27 -0600, Graham > wrote:

>On Tue, 6 Oct 2020 16:49:01 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 6 Oct 2020 15:37:30 -0600, Graham wrote:
>>
>>> The instruction to toss those that fail to open is apparently wrong and it
>>> was started by Jane Grigson back in the 60s. ISTR it was some research in
>>> Australia that pooh-poohed the idea.
>>
>> Jane Grigson, really? I got a boo by here right here. It's kinda
>> oddly written: Charcuterie and French Pork Cookery.
>>
>> -sw
>
>I can't remember where I read that but it was a sort of "off the cuff"
>comment that she made and everyone followed it without question, usually
>not even knowing its source.
>It became one of those "shouldisms" like the "8 cups of water per day"
>myth.

There's plenty of info on the net about discarding dead bivalves.
https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-tha...-eat-If-so-why

On Tuesday, October 6, 2020 at 4:13:56 PM UTC-5, RichD wrote:
>
> I read something a few month back, can't recall the source,
> warning about tainted mussels.
>
> Said first, toss out any which open before cooking
> (steaming). Then, discard any which fail to open as
> they ought, ~ 5 minutes.
>
> I don't get this. Isn't steam antiseptic? Are there microscopic
> critters that would survive?
>
> Rich
>
That mussel or clam may have been dead for a couple of days.
Do you want to eat it, even after it's been cooked, and it been
laying dead in its' shell that long? Ewwww.

On 2020-10-06 5:13 p.m., RichD wrote:
> I read something a few month back, can't recall the source,
> warning about tainted mussels.
>
> Said first, toss out any which open before cooking
> (steaming). Â* Then, discard any which fail to open as
> they ought, ~ 5 minutes.
>
> I don't get this. Isn't steam antiseptic? Are there microscopic
> critters that would survive?

Steam may kill the bacteria but not toxins.

On October 6, Dave Smith wrote:
>> I read something a few month back, can't recall the source,
>> warning about tainted mussels.
>> Said first, toss out any which open before cooking
>> (steaming). Then, discard any which fail to open as
>> they ought, ~ 5 minutes.
> > Isn't steam antiseptic? Are there microscopic
>> critters that would survive?
>
> Steam may kill the bacteria but not toxins.

The toxins would be non-biological?
Like lead or mercury?
I don't see how that would affect mouth action.

--
Rich

On 2020-10-08 3:12 p.m., RichD wrote:
> On October 6, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> I read something a few month back, can't recall the source,
>>> warning about tainted mussels.
>>> Said first, toss out any which open before cooking
>>> (steaming). Then, discard any which fail to open as
>>> they ought, ~ 5 minutes.
>>> Isn't steam antiseptic? Are there microscopic
>>> critters that would survive?
>>
>> Steam may kill the bacteria but not toxins.
>
> The toxins would be non-biological?
> Like lead or mercury?
> I don't see how that would affect mouth action.
>
>

Feel free to be a guinea pig.

On Tue, 6 Oct 2020 14:13:50 -0700 (PDT), RichD wrote:

> I read something a few month back, can't recall the source,
> warning about tainted mussels.
>
> Said first, toss out any which open before cooking *
> (steaming). * Then, discard any which fail to open as
> they ought, ~ 5 minutes.

Kitchen Myth.

-sw

On 10/6/2020 5:13 PM, RichD wrote:
> I read something a few month back, can't recall the source,
> warning about tainted mussels.
>
> Said first, toss out any which open before cooking
> (steaming). Â* Then, discard any which fail to open as
> they ought, ~ 5 minutes.
>
> I don't get this. Isn't steam antiseptic? Are there microscopic
> critters that would survive?
>
> --
> Rich
>
Dead mussels aren't a good thing to eat. Mussels with open shells
should always be thrown out before cooking. Similarly, those which
don't open after cooking are also likely dead. IOW, not fresh.

Jill

On Thu, 8 Oct 2020 15:20:20 -0400, jmcquown wrote:

> On 10/6/2020 5:13 PM, RichD wrote:
>> I read something a few month back, can't recall the source,
>> warning about tainted mussels.
>>
>> Said first, toss out any which open before cooking
>> (steaming). * Then, discard any which fail to open as
>> they ought, ~ 5 minutes.
>>
>> I don't get this. Isn't steam antiseptic? Are there microscopic
>> critters that would survive?
>>
>> --
>> Rich
>>
> Dead mussels aren't a good thing to eat. Mussels with open shells
> should always be thrown out before cooking. Similarly, those which
> don't open after cooking are also likely dead. IOW, not fresh.
>
> Jill

Apparently a myth!
https://tinyurl.com/y39y5sec

On 10/8/2020 3:39 PM, Graham wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Oct 2020 15:20:20 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> On 10/6/2020 5:13 PM, RichD wrote:
>>> I read something a few month back, can't recall the source,
>>> warning about tainted mussels.
>>>
>>> Said first, toss out any which open before cooking
>>> (steaming). Â* Then, discard any which fail to open as
>>> they ought, ~ 5 minutes.
>>>
>>> I don't get this. Isn't steam antiseptic? Are there microscopic
>>> critters that would survive?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Rich
>>>
>> Dead mussels aren't a good thing to eat. Mussels with open shells
>> should always be thrown out before cooking. Similarly, those which
>> don't open after cooking are also likely dead. IOW, not fresh.
>>
>> Jill
>
> Apparently a myth!
> https://tinyurl.com/y39y5sec
>
Perhaps, but having gotten sick from eating allegedly "fresh" mussels
that were already opened when I steamed them, I'd rather not take the
chance. Better safe than sorry.

Jill

On Thu, 8 Oct 2020 15:48:22 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 10/8/2020 3:39 PM, Graham wrote:
>> On Thu, 8 Oct 2020 15:20:20 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>> Dead mussels aren't a good thing to eat. Mussels with open shells
>>> should always be thrown out before cooking. Similarly, those which
>>> don't open after cooking are also likely dead. IOW, not fresh.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> Apparently a myth!
>> https://tinyurl.com/y39y5sec
>>
>Perhaps, but having gotten sick from eating allegedly "fresh" mussels
>that were already opened when I steamed them, I'd rather not take the
>chance. Better safe than sorry.

You didn't read the article, not even the first lines.

On 2020-10-08 3:48 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
> On 10/8/2020 3:39 PM, Graham wrote:

>> Apparently a myth!
>> https://tinyurl.com/y39y5sec
>>
> Perhaps, but having gotten sick from eating allegedly "fresh" mussels
> that were already opened when I steamed them, I'd rather not take the
> chance.Â* Better safe than sorry.


I agree. It is not something you want to go through again.

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> On 2020-10-08 3:48 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
> > On 10/8/2020 3:39 PM, Graham wrote:
>
> >> Apparently a myth!
> >> https://tinyurl.com/y39y5sec
> >>
> > Perhaps, but having gotten sick from eating allegedly "fresh" mussels
> > that were already opened when I steamed them, I'd rather not take the
> > chance. Better safe than sorry.
>
> I agree. It is not something you want to go through again.

I got sick once from food poisoning. Not shellfish.
I always err on the side of caution since then.
If something doesn't seem right, better to lose a few
dollars worth of food than risk that again.

Graham wrote:

> On Thu, 8 Oct 2020 15:20:20 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
>
> > On 10/6/2020 5:13 PM, RichD wrote:
> >> I read something a few month back, can't recall the source,
> >> warning about tainted mussels.
> >>
> >> Said first, toss out any which open before cooking
> >> (steaming). Then, discard any which fail to open as
> >> they ought, ~ 5 minutes.
> >>
> >> I don't get this. Isn't steam antiseptic? Are there microscopic
> >> critters that would survive?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Rich
> >>
> > Dead mussels aren't a good thing to eat. Mussels with open shells
> > should always be thrown out before cooking. Similarly, those which
> > don't open after cooking are also likely dead. IOW, not fresh.
> >
> > Jill
> Apparently a myth!
> https://tinyurl.com/y39y5sec


Matthew 13:48

"And when the net was filled, they drew it up on the beach; and they sat down and gathered the good fish into containers, but the bad they threw away..."

--
Best
Greg

GM wrote:
> Graham wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 8 Oct 2020 15:20:20 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/6/2020 5:13 PM, RichD wrote:
>>>> I read something a few month back, can't recall the source,
>>>> warning about tainted mussels.
>>>>
>>>> Said first, toss out any which open before cooking
>>>> (steaming). Then, discard any which fail to open as
>>>> they ought, ~ 5 minutes.
>>>>
>>>> I don't get this. Isn't steam antiseptic? Are there microscopic
>>>> critters that would survive?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Rich
>>>>
>>> Dead mussels aren't a good thing to eat. Mussels with open shells
>>> should always be thrown out before cooking. Similarly, those which
>>> don't open after cooking are also likely dead. IOW, not fresh.
>>>
>>> Jill
>> Apparently a myth!
>> https://tinyurl.com/y39y5sec
>
>
> Matthew 13:48
>
> "And when the net was filled, they drew it up on the beach; and they sat down and gathered the good fish into containers, but the bad they threw away..."
>

Benjamin 13:49

"And it came to pass that Jack Spriggins hath tradeth his family's
cow for some magic beans, which greweth up into the Lord God's sky.
Yea, verily, even unto a giant's castle ... I shiteth thee not."

Hank Rogers wrote:

> GM wrote:
> > Graham wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 8 Oct 2020 15:20:20 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 10/6/2020 5:13 PM, RichD wrote:
> >>>> I read something a few month back, can't recall the source,
> >>>> warning about tainted mussels.
> >>>>
> >>>> Said first, toss out any which open before cooking
> >>>> (steaming). Then, discard any which fail to open as
> >>>> they ought, ~ 5 minutes.
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't get this. Isn't steam antiseptic? Are there microscopic
> >>>> critters that would survive?
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Rich
> >>>>
> >>> Dead mussels aren't a good thing to eat. Mussels with open shells
> >>> should always be thrown out before cooking. Similarly, those which
> >>> don't open after cooking are also likely dead. IOW, not fresh.
> >>>
> >>> Jill
> >> Apparently a myth!
> >> https://tinyurl.com/y39y5sec
> >
> >
> > Matthew 13:48
> >
> > "And when the net was filled, they drew it up on the beach; and they sat down and gathered the good fish into containers, but the bad they threw away..."
> >
> Benjamin 13:49
>
> "And it came to pass that Jack Spriggins hath tradeth his family's
> cow for some magic beans, which greweth up into the Lord God's sky.
> Yea, verily, even unto a giant's castle ... I shiteth thee not."


;=D

--
Best
Greg

On 2020-10-08 2:32 p.m., GM wrote:
> Graham wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 8 Oct 2020 15:20:20 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/6/2020 5:13 PM, RichD wrote:
>>>> I read something a few month back, can't recall the source,
>>>> warning about tainted mussels.
>>>>
>>>> Said first, toss out any which open before cooking
>>>> (steaming). Then, discard any which fail to open as
>>>> they ought, ~ 5 minutes.
>>>>
>>>> I don't get this. Isn't steam antiseptic? Are there microscopic
>>>> critters that would survive?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Rich
>>>>
>>> Dead mussels aren't a good thing to eat. Mussels with open shells
>>> should always be thrown out before cooking. Similarly, those which
>>> don't open after cooking are also likely dead. IOW, not fresh.
>>>
>>> Jill
>> Apparently a myth!
>> https://tinyurl.com/y39y5sec
>
>
> Matthew 13:48
>
> "And when the net was filled, they drew it up on the beach; and they sat down and gathered the good fish into containers, but the bad they threw away..."
>
Matthew 27:5
"And he went and hanged himself."

Luke 10:37
"Go and do thou likewise."

Graham wrote:

> On 2020-10-08 2:32 p.m., GM wrote:
> > Graham wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 8 Oct 2020 15:20:20 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 10/6/2020 5:13 PM, RichD wrote:
> >>>> I read something a few month back, can't recall the source,
> >>>> warning about tainted mussels.
> >>>>
> >>>> Said first, toss out any which open before cooking
> >>>> (steaming). Then, discard any which fail to open as
> >>>> they ought, ~ 5 minutes.
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't get this. Isn't steam antiseptic? Are there microscopic
> >>>> critters that would survive?
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Rich
> >>>>
> >>> Dead mussels aren't a good thing to eat. Mussels with open shells
> >>> should always be thrown out before cooking. Similarly, those which
> >>> don't open after cooking are also likely dead. IOW, not fresh.
> >>>
> >>> Jill
> >> Apparently a myth!
> >> https://tinyurl.com/y39y5sec
> >
> >
> > Matthew 13:48
> >
> > "And when the net was filled, they drew it up on the beach; and they sat down and gathered the good fish into containers, but the bad they threw away..."
> >
> Matthew 27:5
> "And he went and hanged himself."
>
> Luke 10:37
> "Go and do thou likewise."


See, graham, I am teaching you The Holy Bible...!!!

;-D

--
Best
Greg

Graham wrote:
> On 2020-10-08 2:32 p.m., GM wrote:
>> Graham wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 8 Oct 2020 15:20:20 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 10/6/2020 5:13 PM, RichD wrote:
>>>>> I read something a few month back, can't recall the source,
>>>>> warning about tainted mussels.
>>>>>
>>>>> Said first, toss out any which open before cooking
>>>>> (steaming). Then, discard any which fail to open as
>>>>> they ought, ~ 5 minutes.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't get this. Isn't steam antiseptic? Are there microscopic
>>>>> critters that would survive?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Rich
>>>>>
>>>> Dead mussels aren't a good thing to eat. Mussels with open shells
>>>> should always be thrown out before cooking. Similarly, those which
>>>> don't open after cooking are also likely dead. IOW, not fresh.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>> Apparently a myth!
>>> https://tinyurl.com/y39y5sec
>>
>>
>> Matthew 13:48
>>
>> "And when the net was filled, they drew it up on the beach; and
>> they sat down and gathered the good fish into containers, but the
>> bad they threw away..."
>>
> Matthew 27:5
> "And he went and hanged himself."
>
> Luke 10:37
> "Go and do thou likewise."

Marvin 2:14
"Jeasus lifted up his robes and blew a great fart toward the
multitude."

On 2020-10-08 3:20 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
> > Dead mussels aren't a good thing to eat.Â* Mussels with open shells
> should always be thrown out before cooking.Â* Similarly, those which
> don't open after cooking are also likely dead.Â* IOW, not fresh.
>
>

Apparently failure to open does not mean that they absolutely have to be
thrown out. If they had just died they could be okay, but you don't know
if they just died or have been dead long enough to have become toxic.
My wife once got very sick on mussels. We were not sure if it was bad
mussels or an allergy. It doesn't matter to me. If you can get that sick
on them I am not interested in eating them.

On Thu, 8 Oct 2020 17:24:28 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:

> On 2020-10-08 3:20 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>>> Dead mussels aren't a good thing to eat.* Mussels with open shells
>> should always be thrown out before cooking.* Similarly, those which
>> don't open after cooking are also likely dead.* IOW, not fresh.
>>
>
> Apparently failure to open does not mean that they absolutely have to be
> thrown out. If they had just died they could be okay, but you don't know
> if they just died or have been dead long enough to have become toxic.
> My wife once got very sick on mussels. We were not sure if it was bad
> mussels or an allergy. It doesn't matter to me. If you can get that sick
> on them I am not interested in eating them.

If you cook a dead/rotten clam or mussel in a batch, believe me -
you'll know before you eat them. It will ruin the whole batch.

-sw

On Thu, 8 Oct 2020 17:41:45 -0500, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>On Thu, 8 Oct 2020 17:24:28 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> On 2020-10-08 3:20 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>>>> Dead mussels aren't a good thing to eat.Â* Mussels with open shells
>>> should always be thrown out before cooking.Â* Similarly, those which
>>> don't open after cooking are also likely dead.Â* IOW, not fresh.
>>>
>>
>> Apparently failure to open does not mean that they absolutely have to be
>> thrown out. If they had just died they could be okay, but you don't know
>> if they just died or have been dead long enough to have become toxic.
>> My wife once got very sick on mussels. We were not sure if it was bad
>> mussels or an allergy. It doesn't matter to me. If you can get that sick
>> on them I am not interested in eating them.
>
>If you cook a dead/rotten clam or mussel in a batch, believe me -
>you'll know before you eat them.

Jill didn't know.

On Tuesday, October 6, 2020 at 11:13:56 AM UTC-10, RichD wrote:
> I read something a few month back, can't recall the source,
> warning about tainted mussels.
>
> Said first, toss out any which open before cooking Â*
> (steaming). Â* Then, discard any which fail to open as
> they ought, ~ 5 minutes.
>
> I don't get this. Isn't steam antiseptic? Are there microscopic
> critters that would survive?
>
> --
> Rich

That's a good question. All the mussels sold here are dead and frozen so we're living on borrowed time. They're also sold only on the half shell. Mussels are like the tilapia of the bivalves. They're cheap and tasteless. OTOH, Mussels with dynamite sauce are tasty. I'd eat a couple of them.

https://www.kewpieshop.com/blogs/rec...dynamite-sauce

On Thu, 8 Oct 2020 13:05:29 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Tuesday, October 6, 2020 at 11:13:56 AM UTC-10, RichD wrote:
>> I read something a few month back, can't recall the source,
>> warning about tainted mussels.
>>
>> Said first, toss out any which open before cooking Â*
>> (steaming). Â* Then, discard any which fail to open as
>> they ought, ~ 5 minutes.
>>
>> I don't get this. Isn't steam antiseptic? Are there microscopic
>> critters that would survive?
>>
>> --
>> Rich
>
>That's a good question. All the mussels sold here are dead and frozen so we're living on borrowed time. They're also sold only on the half shell. Mussels are like the tilapia of the bivalves. They're cheap and tasteless.

Frozen mussels maybe. Who eats frozen mussels?

On Fri, 09 Oct 2020 07:08:45 +1100, Bruce > wrote:

>On Thu, 8 Oct 2020 13:05:29 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
>wrote:
>
>>On Tuesday, October 6, 2020 at 11:13:56 AM UTC-10, RichD wrote:
>>> I read something a few month back, can't recall the source,
>>> warning about tainted mussels.
>>>
>>> Said first, toss out any which open before cooking Â*
>>> (steaming). Â* Then, discard any which fail to open as
>>> they ought, ~ 5 minutes.
>>>
>>> I don't get this. Isn't steam antiseptic? Are there microscopic
>>> critters that would survive?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Rich
>>
>>That's a good question. All the mussels sold here are dead and frozen so we're living on borrowed time. They're also sold only on the half shell. Mussels are like the tilapia of the bivalves. They're cheap and tasteless.
>
>Frozen mussels maybe. Who eats frozen mussels?

Actually, I have. I've eaten ex-frozen New Zealand mussels. They were
long and green and good, but would probably be even better fresh.
Except, I'd have to go to New Zealand first.

On Thursday, October 8, 2020 at 10:08:52 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Oct 2020 13:05:29 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
> wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, October 6, 2020 at 11:13:56 AM UTC-10, RichD wrote:
> >> I read something a few month back, can't recall the source,
> >> warning about tainted mussels.
> >>
> >> Said first, toss out any which open before cooking Â*
> >> (steaming). Â* Then, discard any which fail to open as
> >> they ought, ~ 5 minutes.
> >>
> >> I don't get this. Isn't steam antiseptic? Are there microscopic
> >> critters that would survive?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Rich
> >
> >That's a good question. All the mussels sold here are dead and frozen so we're living on borrowed time. They're also sold only on the half shell. Mussels are like the tilapia of the bivalves. They're cheap and tasteless.
>
> Frozen mussels maybe. Who eats frozen mussels?

The Hawaiians. I believe that all the mussels sold here are previously frozen. I think they might be already cooked too. Why is that? I do not know. I don't care much about mussels - unless they've got dynamite sauce on them! Yahoo!

On Thu, 8 Oct 2020 13:16:25 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Thursday, October 8, 2020 at 10:08:52 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> On Thu, 8 Oct 2020 13:05:29 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Tuesday, October 6, 2020 at 11:13:56 AM UTC-10, RichD wrote:
>> >> I read something a few month back, can't recall the source,
>> >> warning about tainted mussels.
>> >>
>> >> Said first, toss out any which open before cooking Â*
>> >> (steaming). Â* Then, discard any which fail to open as
>> >> they ought, ~ 5 minutes.
>> >>
>> >> I don't get this. Isn't steam antiseptic? Are there microscopic
>> >> critters that would survive?
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Rich
>> >
>> >That's a good question. All the mussels sold here are dead and frozen so we're living on borrowed time. They're also sold only on the half shell. Mussels are like the tilapia of the bivalves. They're cheap and tasteless.
>>
>> Frozen mussels maybe. Who eats frozen mussels?
>
>The Hawaiians. I believe that all the mussels sold here are previously frozen. I think they might be already cooked too. Why is that? I do not know. I don't care much about mussels - unless they've got dynamite sauce on them! Yahoo!

Maybe you can try some fresh nahawele 'ili 'ili.

On 2020-10-08 4:16 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> On Thursday, October 8, 2020 at 10:08:52 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:

>> Frozen mussels maybe. Who eats frozen mussels?
>
> The Hawaiians. I believe that all the mussels sold here are
> previously frozen. I think they might be already cooked too. Why is
> that? I do not know. I don't care much about mussels - unless they've
> got dynamite sauce on them! Yahoo!

You can get frozen mussels here in southern Ontario.

On Thu, 8 Oct 2020 17:28:52 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2020-10-08 4:16 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
>> On Thursday, October 8, 2020 at 10:08:52 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>
>>> Frozen mussels maybe. Who eats frozen mussels?
>>
>> The Hawaiians. I believe that all the mussels sold here are
>> previously frozen. I think they might be already cooked too. Why is
>> that? I do not know. I don't care much about mussels - unless they've
>> got dynamite sauce on them! Yahoo!
>
>You can get frozen mussels here in southern Ontario.

Is there any place in the world where you can't get frozen mussels?

On Thursday, October 8, 2020 at 11:27:47 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2020-10-08 4:16 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> > On Thursday, October 8, 2020 at 10:08:52 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>
> >> Frozen mussels maybe. Who eats frozen mussels?
> >
> > The Hawaiians. I believe that all the mussels sold here are
> > previously frozen. I think they might be already cooked too. Why is
> > that? I do not know. I don't care much about mussels - unless they've
> > got dynamite sauce on them! Yahoo!
>
> You can get frozen mussels here in southern Ontario.

What we can't get is fresh mussels. At least, I've never seen any. Perhaps you can't get any fresh mussels either. I don't know a thing about the mussel situation in North America.

On Thursday, October 8, 2020 at 4:16:30 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> On Thursday, October 8, 2020 at 10:08:52 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> > On Thu, 8 Oct 2020 13:05:29 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
> > wrote:
> >
> > >On Tuesday, October 6, 2020 at 11:13:56 AM UTC-10, RichD wrote:
> > >> I read something a few month back, can't recall the source,
> > >> warning about tainted mussels.
> > >>
> > >> Said first, toss out any which open before cooking
> > >> (steaming). Then, discard any which fail to open as
> > >> they ought, ~ 5 minutes.
> > >>
> > >> I don't get this. Isn't steam antiseptic? Are there microscopic
> > >> critters that would survive?
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Rich
> > >
> > >That's a good question. All the mussels sold here are dead and frozen so we're living on borrowed time. They're also sold only on the half shell. Mussels are like the tilapia of the bivalves. They're cheap and tasteless.
> >
> > Frozen mussels maybe. Who eats frozen mussels?
> The Hawaiians. I believe that all the mussels sold here are previously frozen. I think they might be already cooked too. Why is that? I do not know. I don't care much about mussels - unless they've got dynamite sauce on them! Yahoo!

So you like them best when you can't actually taste them.

I like mussels a variety of ways, but I think my favorite is with fermented black beans.

Cindy Hamilton

On Fri, 9 Oct 2020 02:55:29 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Thursday, October 8, 2020 at 4:16:30 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Thursday, October 8, 2020 at 10:08:52 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> > On Thu, 8 Oct 2020 13:05:29 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > >On Tuesday, October 6, 2020 at 11:13:56 AM UTC-10, RichD wrote:
>> > >> I read something a few month back, can't recall the source,
>> > >> warning about tainted mussels.
>> > >>
>> > >> Said first, toss out any which open before cooking
>> > >> (steaming). Then, discard any which fail to open as
>> > >> they ought, ~ 5 minutes.
>> > >>
>> > >> I don't get this. Isn't steam antiseptic? Are there microscopic
>> > >> critters that would survive?
>> > >>
>> > >> --
>> > >> Rich
>> > >
>> > >That's a good question. All the mussels sold here are dead and frozen so we're living on borrowed time. They're also sold only on the half shell. Mussels are like the tilapia of the bivalves. They're cheap and tasteless.
>> >
>> > Frozen mussels maybe. Who eats frozen mussels?
>> The Hawaiians. I believe that all the mussels sold here are previously frozen. I think they might be already cooked too. Why is that? I do not know. I don't care much about mussels - unless they've got dynamite sauce on them! Yahoo!
>
>So you like them best when you can't actually taste them.
>
>I like mussels a variety of ways, but I think my favorite is with fermented black beans.

When you can't taste them either.

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> dsi1 wrote:
> I don't care much about mussels - unless they've got
> dynamite sauce on them! Yahoo!
>
> So you like them best when you can't actually taste them.

Yep, that's what I thought too.

> I like mussels a variety of ways, but I think my favorite
> is with fermented black beans.

I've only had mussels once. As always with first time
food, cook fairly plain to get the actual taste.

I just steamed them. Good but I wasn't impressed.
Tastes kind of like a mild flavored clam.
I'll stick with clams.

On Thursday, October 8, 2020 at 11:55:33 PM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Thursday, October 8, 2020 at 4:16:30 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Thursday, October 8, 2020 at 10:08:52 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> > > On Thu, 8 Oct 2020 13:05:29 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >On Tuesday, October 6, 2020 at 11:13:56 AM UTC-10, RichD wrote:
> > > >> I read something a few month back, can't recall the source,
> > > >> warning about tainted mussels.
> > > >>
> > > >> Said first, toss out any which open before cooking
> > > >> (steaming). Then, discard any which fail to open as
> > > >> they ought, ~ 5 minutes.
> > > >>
> > > >> I don't get this. Isn't steam antiseptic? Are there microscopic
> > > >> critters that would survive?
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> Rich
> > > >
> > > >That's a good question. All the mussels sold here are dead and frozen so we're living on borrowed time. They're also sold only on the half shell. Mussels are like the tilapia of the bivalves. They're cheap and tasteless.
> > >
> > > Frozen mussels maybe. Who eats frozen mussels?
> > The Hawaiians. I believe that all the mussels sold here are previously frozen. I think they might be already cooked too. Why is that? I do not know. I don't care much about mussels - unless they've got dynamite sauce on them! Yahoo!
>
> So you like them best when you can't actually taste them.
>
> I like mussels a variety of ways, but I think my favorite is with fermented black beans.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

That would be true. I don't really like mussels.