On Wed, 02 Dec 2020 10:24:25 +1100, Bruce wrote:

> On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 16:19:19 -0700, Graham > wrote:
>
>>On 2020-12-01 4:28 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 9:45:06 PM UTC-5, wrote:
>>>> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 8:25:04 PM UTC-6, Hank Rogers wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>> I just emptied a dead mouse from a trap and re-baited it with
>>>>> cheddar cheese.
>>>>>
>>>> Get a cat, no need to bait and empty traps.
>>>
>>> I can't speak for Hank, but I'd rather bait and empty traps than own a cat. My
>>> policy is that I won't own anything that craps.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>>I couldn't agree more!!
>
> Cats are great. They're affectionate, funny and beautiful. A rare
> combination.

AFAIAC they are bird-killing vermin!

On 12/1/2020 6:37 PM, Graham wrote:
> On Wed, 02 Dec 2020 10:24:25 +1100, Bruce wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 16:19:19 -0700, Graham > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2020-12-01 4:28 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 9:45:06 PM UTC-5, wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 8:25:04 PM UTC-6, Hank Rogers wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just emptied a dead mouse from a trap and re-baited it with
>>>>>> cheddar cheese.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Get a cat, no need to bait and empty traps.
>>>>
>>>> I can't speak for Hank, but I'd rather bait and empty traps than own a cat. My
>>>> policy is that I won't own anything that craps.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>
>>> I couldn't agree more!!
>>
>> Cats are great. They're affectionate, funny and beautiful. A rare
>> combination.
>
> AFAIAC they are bird-killing vermin!
>
Not if you don't let the cat(s) outside.

Jill

On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 4:40:19 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> https://i.postimg.cc/gkvTWpKQ/Kitche...helf-rails.jpg
>
> Gotta start somewhere! :-)
>
> John Kuthe...
I have a fold out ironing board in my old house. Tossed the board and added 8 shelves on pins.
I now have a huge spice rack with 100 items. Good job JK.

Graham wrote:
> On Wed, 02 Dec 2020 10:24:25 +1100, Bruce wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 16:19:19 -0700, Graham > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2020-12-01 4:28 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 9:45:06 PM UTC-5, wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 8:25:04 PM UTC-6, Hank Rogers wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just emptied a dead mouse from a trap and re-baited it with
>>>>>> cheddar cheese.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Get a cat, no need to bait and empty traps.
>>>>
>>>> I can't speak for Hank, but I'd rather bait and empty traps than own a cat. My
>>>> policy is that I won't own anything that craps.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>
>>> I couldn't agree more!!
>>
>> Cats are great. They're affectionate, funny and beautiful. A rare
>> combination.
>
> AFAIAC they are bird-killing vermin!
>

Mine rarely kills a bird. Collateral damage. But she kills every
mouse, rat, squirrel or rabbit she can find.

On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 16:37:29 -0700, Graham > wrote:

>On Wed, 02 Dec 2020 10:24:25 +1100, Bruce wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 16:19:19 -0700, Graham > wrote:
>>
>>>On 2020-12-01 4:28 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 9:45:06 PM UTC-5, wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 8:25:04 PM UTC-6, Hank Rogers wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just emptied a dead mouse from a trap and re-baited it with
>>>>>> cheddar cheese.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Get a cat, no need to bait and empty traps.
>>>>
>>>> I can't speak for Hank, but I'd rather bait and empty traps than own a cat. My
>>>> policy is that I won't own anything that craps.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>
>>>I couldn't agree more!!
>>
>> Cats are great. They're affectionate, funny and beautiful. A rare
>> combination.
>
>AFAIAC they are bird-killing vermin!

Our cats are indoor cats. Besides you, as a carnivore, are a bird
killer yourself.

On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 18:50:10 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 12/1/2020 6:37 PM, Graham wrote:
>> On Wed, 02 Dec 2020 10:24:25 +1100, Bruce wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 16:19:19 -0700, Graham > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2020-12-01 4:28 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 9:45:06 PM UTC-5, wrote:
>>>>>> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 8:25:04 PM UTC-6, Hank Rogers wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just emptied a dead mouse from a trap and re-baited it with
>>>>>>> cheddar cheese.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Get a cat, no need to bait and empty traps.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can't speak for Hank, but I'd rather bait and empty traps than own a cat. My
>>>>> policy is that I won't own anything that craps.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>
>>>> I couldn't agree more!!
>>>
>>> Cats are great. They're affectionate, funny and beautiful. A rare
>>> combination.
>>
>> AFAIAC they are bird-killing vermin!
>>
>Not if you don't let the cat(s) outside.

Yes. Responsible people keep them inside.

John Kuthe wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 12:55:56 AM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 13:40:14 -0800 (PST), John Kuthe wrote:
>>
>>> https://i.postimg.cc/gkvTWpKQ/Kitche...helf-rails.jpg
>> Wasted space. What do you do with the front half of the closet?
>>
>> -sw
> All the stuff I don't do with the back of the Kitchen Closet! DUH!
>
>
> John Kuthe....

You realized you didn't think this one out well - again, eh?

On 12/1/2020 5:38 PM, wrote:
> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 9:55:08 PM UTC-6, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>> On 11/30/2020 6:46 PM, wrote:
>>
>>> I washed, dried, and folded sheets this morning. I also finished hemming
>>> a pair of pants and pressed them.
>>>
>> Impressive. Quite a set of skills you have. I wash and dry and my
>> cleaning lady does the folding.
>>
> _I_ am the cleaning lady. But I miss not being able to hang sheets out. They're
> a dang site easier to fold and put away than ones coming out of the dryer.
>

I got a cleaning service when my wife needed more attention and now it
is just a little luxury I keep. She comes every other Wednesday.
On Tuesday, I do a load of whites, mostly sweat socks and underwear,
then Wednesday morning I strip the bed and do everything else. I choose
the sheets I want and put them out so they will make the bed.

It was not part of the deal to fold clothes but they may have seen my
pathetic folding and took pity. Sometimes I have one woman come for
four hours, other times she comes with the owner and they do it in two
hours. I pay them well and they do a fantastic job. Things are cleaned
every visit that I'd probably do once a year. When they leave, the
kitchen and baths looks the same as the day we moved in just shy of two
years ago.

On 12/1/2020 7:25 PM, Bruce wrote:

>> AFAIAC they are bird-killing vermin!
>
> Our cats are indoor cats. Besides you, as a carnivore, are a bird
> killer yourself.
>

Do your cats eat a vegetarian diet?

On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 5:24:58 PM UTC-6, Hank Rogers wrote:
>
> wrote:
> >
> > Cats can be
> > trained to use a toilet, truly they can, they just can't manage the flushing.
> >
> Mine ****es dead center in the shower drain. I didn't teach her that.
>
I had a Maine Coon cat that would squat over the bathtub drain and pee.
I didn't teach him to do that either.

On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 5:37:36 PM UTC-6, Graham wrote:
>
> On Wed, 02 Dec 2020 10:24:25 +1100, Bruce wrote:
>
> > Cats are great. They're affectionate, funny and beautiful. A rare
> > combination.
> >
> AFAIAC they are bird-killing vermin!
>
Well yes, they do kill birds and snakes and mice, and spiders.

On 12/1/2020 7:55 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 12/1/2020 7:25 PM, Bruce wrote:
>
>> Our cats are indoor cats. Besides you, as a carnivore, are a bird
>> killer yourself.
>>
>
> Do your cats eat a vegetarian diet?

If they do they can't be very healthy cats. Of course, Bruce isn't
opposed to fish so maybe his cats are pescatarians.

Jill

On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 19:55:55 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 12/1/2020 7:25 PM, Bruce wrote:
>
>>> AFAIAC they are bird-killing vermin!
>>
>> Our cats are indoor cats. Besides you, as a carnivore, are a bird
>> killer yourself.
>>
>
>Do your cats eat a vegetarian diet?

No, they eat meat and fish.

On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 03:28:08 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 9:45:06 PM UTC-5, wrote:
>> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 8:25:04 PM UTC-6, Hank Rogers wrote:
>> > >
>> > I just emptied a dead mouse from a trap and re-baited it with
>> > cheddar cheese.
>> >
>> Get a cat, no need to bait and empty traps.
>
>I can't speak for Hank, but I'd rather bait and empty traps than own a cat. My
>policy is that I won't own anything that craps.

You don't have to fear your cold climate. Your climate has to fear
you.

On 12/1/2020 8:08 PM, wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 5:37:36 PM UTC-6, Graham wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 02 Dec 2020 10:24:25 +1100, Bruce wrote:
>>
>>> Cats are great. They're affectionate, funny and beautiful. A rare
>>> combination.
>>>
>> AFAIAC they are bird-killing vermin!
>>
> Well yes, they do kill birds and snakes and mice, and spiders.
>
Here's the weird thing. I owned birds when my first cat Persia showed up
at my back door and demanded to be let inside. She lived side by side
with my caged parakeets and later my Fischer lovebird. Yes, I had to
teach her those birds were not food or toys. I also knew, for at least
the first 6 months, to keep them apart in separate rooms when I was away
at work. Then to have them in the same room when I was home. Persia
did quickly learn the birds were like her. Pets, not cat food.

Buffy is different. She pays absolutely no attention to the birds at
the year round bird bath or at the feeder (hummingbird in the warm
months, seed feeders in cold weather.) She couldn't care less about birds.

She does spot lizards and snakes and spiders.

Jill

On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 6:39:06 PM UTC-6, Alex wrote:
> John Kuthe wrote:
> > On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 12:55:56 AM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
> >> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 13:40:14 -0800 (PST), John Kuthe wrote:
> >>
> >>> https://i.postimg.cc/gkvTWpKQ/Kitche...helf-rails.jpg
> >> Wasted space. What do you do with the front half of the closet?
> >>
> >> -sw
> > All the stuff I don't do with the back of the Kitchen Closet! DUH!
> >
> >
> > John Kuthe....
>
> You realized you didn't think this one out well - again, eh?

I thought it out very well, and figured I had to get everything out of the bottom of the Kitchen Closet (done) and mount some shelf rails, which I've done. See pic.

And today, I went Home Depot and bought a 4x4ft piece of almost 1/2" plywood and will cut 18"x30.5" shelves from and use my remaining 2x2s to mount a stiffener under them, then lay them on the rails, and voila! New shelves at 20" and 40", 18"x30.5" to put the stuff on!

John Kuthe...

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 12/1/2020 7:25 PM, Bruce wrote:
>
>>> AFAIAC they are bird-killing vermin!
>>
>> Our cats are indoor cats. Besides you, as a carnivore, are a bird
>> killer yourself.
>>
>
> Do your cats eat a vegetarian diet?

Hahahahaha. Vegetarian cats.

wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 5:24:58 PM UTC-6, Hank Rogers wrote:
>>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Cats can be
>>> trained to use a toilet, truly they can, they just can't manage the flushing.
>>>
>> Mine ****es dead center in the shower drain. I didn't teach her that.
>>
> I had a Maine Coon cat that would squat over the bathtub drain and pee.
> I didn't teach him to do that either.
>

I guess some cats just know

On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 18:16:29 -0800 (PST), John Kuthe wrote:

> And today, I went Home Depot and bought a 4x4ft piece of almost
> 1/2" plywood and will cut 18"x30.5" shelves from and use my
> remaining 2x2s to mount a stiffener under them, then lay them on
> the rails, and voila! New shelves at 20" and 40", 18"x30.5" to
> put the stuff on!

$50 says they're wobbly.

-sw

On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 9:14:44 PM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 18:16:29 -0800 (PST), John Kuthe wrote:
>
> > And today, I went Home Depot and bought a 4x4ft piece of almost
> > 1/2" plywood and will cut 18"x30.5" shelves from and use my
> > remaining 2x2s to mount a stiffener under them, then lay them on
> > the rails, and voila! New shelves at 20" and 40", 18"x30.5" to
> > put the stuff on!
> $50 says they're wobbly.
>
> -sw

I am 60 years old and have MS! But I can rip an hour (20-20-20mins) on my Nordictrack!

Not bad eh?

And I just bought an almost 1/2 thick piece of plywood and will use 2x2 stiffeners to make the shelves NOT wobbly!

John Kuthe...

On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 5:41:55 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 5:28:13 AM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 9:45:06 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> >
> > > Get a cat, no need to bait and empty traps.
> >
> > I can't speak for Hank, but I'd rather bait and empty traps than own a cat. My
> > policy is that I won't own anything that craps.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> >
> Awwwwww, just think of all that purring and cuddling you are missing. Cats can be
> trained to use a toilet, truly they can, they just can't manage the flushing.

I have my husband for purring and cuddling.

Since we don't have mice in the house, we don't need traps. We use poison in the
outbuildings.

Cindy Hamilton

On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 02:51:23 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 5:41:55 PM UTC-5, wrote:
>> On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 5:28:13 AM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >
>> > On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 9:45:06 PM UTC-5, wrote:
>> >
>> > > Get a cat, no need to bait and empty traps.
>> >
>> > I can't speak for Hank, but I'd rather bait and empty traps than own a cat. My
>> > policy is that I won't own anything that craps.
>> >
>> > Cindy Hamilton
>> >
>> Awwwwww, just think of all that purring and cuddling you are missing. Cats can be
>> trained to use a toilet, truly they can, they just can't manage the flushing.
>
>I have my husband for purring and cuddling.
>
>Since we don't have mice in the house, we don't need traps. We use poison in the
>outbuildings.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

That's very sad to put down poison.

On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 Sqwertz wrote:
>On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 John Kuthe wrote:
>
>> And today, I went Home Depot and bought a 4x4ft piece of almost
>> 1/2" plywood and will cut 18"x30.5" shelves from and use my
>> remaining 2x2s to mount a stiffener under them, then lay them on
>> the rails, and voila! New shelves at 20" and 40", 18"x30.5" to
>> put the stuff on!
>
>$50 says they're wobbly.
>
>-sw

What is 'almost' 1/2" plywood, do you mean some specialty thickness
like 7/16"?
Plywood makes for lousy shelving, especially if it's interior plywood
with a rough knotty exterior ply. The different plys are of different
woods so absorb moisture at different rates making it warp and
twist... much better to use 5/8" clear pine shelving lumber... looks
richer too... plywood shelving is for poor hippie's book shelves that
they lay across c-ment blocks.
Save that half sheet of plywood for something else, good for crawling
under your vehicle... may be good for parking your riding mower on to
deter dry rotted tires.

On 2020-12-02 9:11 a.m., Sheldon Martin wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 02:51:23 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> <
>>
>> Since we don't have mice in the house, we don't need traps. We use poison in the
>> outbuildings.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
> That's very sad to put down poison.
>

Sad, but sometimes necessary. Rodents can get out of hand. My son had a
problem with rats in his house after he complained to the city about the
absentee landlord owner of the house next door having a huge pile of
crap in the yard. Then the mess was cleaned up the rats when looking for
a new home sad got into his. They got into his cupboards and ate his
food. They chewed holes in the walls. They were quite brazen and seemed
to have no fear of him. He had to hire an exterminator.

On 12/2/2020 10:54 AM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
> On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 Sqwertz wrote:
>> On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 John Kuthe wrote:
>>
>>> And today, I went Home Depot and bought a 4x4ft piece of almost
>>> 1/2" plywood and will cut 18"x30.5" shelves from and use my
>>> remaining 2x2s to mount a stiffener under them, then lay them on
>>> the rails, and voila! New shelves at 20" and 40", 18"x30.5" to
>>> put the stuff on!
>>
>> $50 says they're wobbly.
>>
>> -sw
>
> What is 'almost' 1/2" plywood, do you mean some specialty thickness
> like 7/16"?

https://parr.com/PDFs/PG_plywoodthickness.pdf 12" nominal is 15/32"

Much of the plywood now is metric too so it could be 12.5 mm.

On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 10:54:41 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
> On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 Sqwertz wrote:
> >On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 John Kuthe wrote:
> >
> >> And today, I went Home Depot and bought a 4x4ft piece of almost
> >> 1/2" plywood and will cut 18"x30.5" shelves from and use my
> >> remaining 2x2s to mount a stiffener under them, then lay them on
> >> the rails, and voila! New shelves at 20" and 40", 18"x30.5" to
> >> put the stuff on!
> >
> >$50 says they're wobbly.
> >
> >-sw
> What is 'almost' 1/2" plywood, do you mean some specialty thickness
> like 7/16"?

Half-inch plywood is 15/32".

Cindy Hamilton

On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 11:48:06 AM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 10:54:41 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
....
> > What is 'almost' 1/2" plywood, do you mean some specialty thickness
> > like 7/16"?
> Half-inch plywood is 15/32".
>
> Cindy Hamilton

And that's almost 1/2 inch! 16/32" = 1/2 inch!


John Kuthe...

On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 10:10:54 -0800 (PST), John Kuthe
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 11:48:06 AM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 10:54:41 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>...
>> > What is 'almost' 1/2" plywood, do you mean some specialty thickness
>> > like 7/16"?
>> Half-inch plywood is 15/32".
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
>And that's almost 1/2 inch! 16/32" = 1/2 inch!
>
>John Kuthe

FAKE WOOD! All plywood is fake wood... plywood is only a **** hair
closer to lumber than partical board. I never bought any plywood, I
never will. I just went looking with a micrometer so I could measure
and there's not one bit of plywood in this house. Every stick of
lumber used to build this house was made from trees growing on this
property, and all is full nominal size, a 2" X 4" stud measures a full
2" X 4"s... some used to build the barn is over sized and still has
some bark on it. Years ago lumber here was milled from buttonwood,
aka sycamore. All the sheathing is 3/4" tongue and groove nailed on a
bias. one thing I must say about those square headed Norwegians is
they are great carpenters. I'll bet yoose don't know that the
Norwegians and Swedes invented the chainsaw.
https://www.jonsered.com/us/

On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 3:10:08 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 10:10:54 -0800 (PST), John Kuthe
> > wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 11:48:06 AM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 10:54:41 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
> >...
> >> > What is 'almost' 1/2" plywood, do you mean some specialty thickness
> >> > like 7/16"?
> >> Half-inch plywood is 15/32".
> >>
> >> Cindy Hamilton
> >
> >And that's almost 1/2 inch! 16/32" = 1/2 inch!
> >
> >John Kuthe
> FAKE WOOD! All plywood is fake wood... plywood is only a **** hair
> closer to lumber than partical board. I never bought any plywood, I
> never will. I just went looking with a micrometer so I could measure
> and there's not one bit of plywood in this house.

What are your kitchen cabinet carcasses made from?

Cindy Hamilton

On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 12:58:16 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 3:10:08 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>> On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 10:10:54 -0800 (PST), John Kuthe
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 11:48:06 AM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >> On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 10:54:41 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>> >...
>> >> > What is 'almost' 1/2" plywood, do you mean some specialty thickness
>> >> > like 7/16"?
>> >> Half-inch plywood is 15/32".
>> >>
>> >> Cindy Hamilton
>> >
>> >And that's almost 1/2 inch! 16/32" = 1/2 inch!
>> >
>> >John Kuthe
>> FAKE WOOD! All plywood is fake wood... plywood is only a **** hair
>> closer to lumber than partical board. I never bought any plywood, I
>> never will. I just went looking with a micrometer so I could measure
>> and there's not one bit of plywood in this house.
>
>What are your kitchen cabinet carcasses made from?
>
>Cindy Hamilton

Real lumber... there's no plywood here. The cabinets themselves are
made of real lumber.

On Wed, 02 Dec 2020 15:10:01 -0500, Sheldon Martin wrote:

> Every stick of
> lumber used to build this house was made from trees growing on this
> property,

TBS. Total bullshit. For one, you don't know that. And 2, you
don't biuld a modern house from fresh wood unless it's a log cabin.
That wood was harvested, milled, and cured far from your house. And
you have plywood in your walls.

-sw

On Wed, 02 Dec 2020 15:10:01 -0500, Sheldon Martin wrote:

> Every stick of
> lumber used to build this house was made from trees growing on this
> property, and all is full nominal size, a 2" X 4" stud measures a full
> 2" X 4"s...

"My house is 100% solid wood". HEH! I can't roll my eyes wide
enough.

-sw

On Wed, 02 Dec 2020 16:43:44 -0500, Sheldon Martin wrote:

> On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 12:58:16 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
>>On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 3:10:08 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>>> On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 10:10:54 -0800 (PST), John Kuthe
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> >On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 11:48:06 AM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> >> On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 10:54:41 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>>> >...
>>> >> > What is 'almost' 1/2" plywood, do you mean some specialty thickness
>>> >> > like 7/16"?
>>> >> Half-inch plywood is 15/32".
>>> >>
>>> >> Cindy Hamilton
>>> >
>>> >And that's almost 1/2 inch! 16/32" = 1/2 inch!
>>> >
>>> >John Kuthe
>>> FAKE WOOD! All plywood is fake wood... plywood is only a **** hair
>>> closer to lumber than partical board. I never bought any plywood, I
>>> never will. I just went looking with a micrometer so I could measure
>>> and there's not one bit of plywood in this house.
>>
>>What are your kitchen cabinet carcasses made from?
>>
>>Cindy Hamilton
>
> Real lumber... there's no plywood here. The cabinets themselves are
> made of real lumber.

Yeah, I believe that (rolling eyes)

-sw

On 2020-12-02 5:27 p.m., Sqwertz wrote:
> On Wed, 02 Dec 2020 15:10:01 -0500, Sheldon Martin wrote:
>
>> Every stick of
>> lumber used to build this house was made from trees growing on this
>> property, and all is full nominal size, a 2" X 4" stud measures a full
>> 2" X 4"s...
>
> "My house is 100% solid wood". HEH! I can't roll my eyes wide
> enough.
>
>

He had special cedar from the back forty to make the basement.

John Kuthe wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 9:14:44 PM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
>> On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 18:16:29 -0800 (PST), John Kuthe wrote:
>>
>>> And today, I went Home Depot and bought a 4x4ft piece of almost
>>> 1/2" plywood and will cut 18"x30.5" shelves from and use my
>>> remaining 2x2s to mount a stiffener under them, then lay them on
>>> the rails, and voila! New shelves at 20" and 40", 18"x30.5" to
>>> put the stuff on!
>> $50 says they're wobbly.
>>
>> -sw
> I am 60 years old and have MS! But I can rip an hour (20-20-20mins) on my Nordictrack!
>
> Not bad eh?
>
> And I just bought an almost 1/2 thick piece of plywood and will use 2x2 stiffeners to make the shelves NOT wobbly!
>
> John Kuthe...

Limit the load to marshmallows and you will be fine.Â* 3/4" plywood and
deeper shelves would have been a better choice.

John Kuthe wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 11:48:06 AM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 10:54:41 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
> ...
>>> What is 'almost' 1/2" plywood, do you mean some specialty thickness
>>> like 7/16"?
>> Half-inch plywood is 15/32".
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
> And that's almost 1/2 inch! 16/32" = 1/2 inch!
>
>
> John Kuthe...

No kidding...

On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 19:00:19 -0500, Alex wrote:

> John Kuthe wrote:
>> On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 9:14:44 PM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
>>> On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 18:16:29 -0800 (PST), John Kuthe wrote:
>>>
>>>> And today, I went Home Depot and bought a 4x4ft piece of almost
>>>> 1/2" plywood and will cut 18"x30.5" shelves from and use my
>>>> remaining 2x2s to mount a stiffener under them, then lay them on
>>>> the rails, and voila! New shelves at 20" and 40", 18"x30.5" to
>>>> put the stuff on!
>>> $50 says they're wobbly.
>>>
>>> -sw
>> I am 60 years old and have MS! But I can rip an hour (20-20-20mins) on my Nordictrack!
>>
>> Not bad eh?
>>
>> And I just bought an almost 1/2 thick piece of plywood and will use 2x2 stiffeners to make the shelves NOT wobbly!
>>
>> John Kuthe...
>
> Limit the load to marshmallows and you will be fine.* 3/4" plywood and
> deeper shelves would have been a better choice.

Note the bottom shelf is already sagging and the upper shelf is
bowed upward.

-sw

Sheldon Martin wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 10:10:54 -0800 (PST), John Kuthe
> > wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 11:48:06 AM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 at 10:54:41 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>> ...
>>>> What is 'almost' 1/2" plywood, do you mean some specialty thickness
>>>> like 7/16"?
>>> Half-inch plywood is 15/32".
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> And that's almost 1/2 inch! 16/32" = 1/2 inch!
>>
>> John Kuthe
>
> FAKE WOOD! All plywood is fake wood... plywood is only a **** hair
> closer to lumber than partical board. I never bought any plywood, I
> never will. I just went looking with a micrometer so I could measure
> and there's not one bit of plywood in this house. Every stick of
> lumber used to build this house was made from trees growing on this
> property, and all is full nominal size, a 2" X 4" stud measures a full
> 2" X 4"s... some used to build the barn is over sized and still has
> some bark on it. Years ago lumber here was milled from buttonwood,
> aka sycamore. All the sheathing is 3/4" tongue and groove nailed on a
> bias. one thing I must say about those square headed Norwegians is
> they are great carpenters. I'll bet yoose don't know that the
> Norwegians and Swedes invented the chainsaw.
> https://www.jonsered.com/us/
>

I bet yoose on the second case of crystal palace.

John Kuthe wrote:

> On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 6:39:06 PM UTC-6, Alex wrote:
> > John Kuthe wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 12:55:56 AM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
> > >> On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 13:40:14 -0800 (PST), John Kuthe wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> https://i.postimg.cc/gkvTWpKQ/Kitche...helf-rails.jpg
> > >> Wasted space. What do you do with the front half of the closet?
> > >>
> > >> -sw
> > > All the stuff I don't do with the back of the Kitchen Closet!
> > > DUH!
> > >
> > >
> > > John Kuthe....
> >
> > You realized you didn't think this one out well - again, eh?
>
> I thought it out very well, and figured I had to get everything out
> of the bottom of the Kitchen Closet (done) and mount some shelf
> rails, which I've done. See pic.
>
> And today, I went Home Depot and bought a 4x4ft piece of almost 1/2"
> plywood and will cut 18"x30.5" shelves from and use my remaining 2x2s
> to mount a stiffener under them, then lay them on the rails, and
> voila! New shelves at 20" and 40", 18"x30.5" to put the stuff on!
>
> John Kuthe...

I had no dimensions before of the total unit. The camera can be tricky
in how it scales things but if the total depth (to back wall from the
open front) in 36-38inches and the wide (side to side) is 30.5, then
about right and leave room for brooms and stuff if you need that.

The problem is the visual appears to be more like 50-60 inches. That
might be camera related though.

If it is a lot deeper, you can add more rail later and extend out along
it 12 more inches with little trouble later.

Lots of ideas though if as it seems, it's 30.5 side to side in there.
It almost looks at the base like people stepped in there to get at
things?

Leo wrote:

> On 2020 Dec 1, , Cindy Hamilton wrote
> (in >):
>
> > I bought a new snowblower.
> >
> > <https://www.google.com/shopping/product/17230743279693905550>
>
> Ya know, I just may do that too. I´ve been shoveling snow for 40
> years on my driveway and sidewalk, and I ain´t as young as I used to
> be. I was a Yamaha man with motorcycles, but that Honda looks great.
>
> leo

We have a simpler unit, but yeah, it's handy.