On 2020-12-16 2:35 p.m., Graham wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 13:39:42 -0500, Dave Smith wrote:

>> Then there are vegetarians like my nephew and his wife who always have
>> to be catered to. They would make the trip home for Thanksgiving,
>> Christmas and Easter, the three main North American meat feasts, and
>> want there to be only vegetarian dishes.
>>
> Again, it's a power trip!
>

Exactly. There were lots of opportunities for them to come down for
visits, but they seemed to limit them to the three yearly events that
featured large roasts of meat. One of the best I heard was a couple
years ago when they came down for Easter. SiL had just had knee surgery
and could not cook a big meal so they decided to order Chinese food and
that each person should select a dish they liked. The vegetarians
insisted that everyone should order only vegetarian dishes.So much for
everyone selecting a dish they wanted. Apparently only the vegetarians
could choose what they wanted and everyone else was supposed to order
what the vegetarians wanted.

On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 15:07:57 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2020-12-16 2:35 p.m., Graham wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 13:39:42 -0500, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>>> Then there are vegetarians like my nephew and his wife who always have
>>> to be catered to. They would make the trip home for Thanksgiving,
>>> Christmas and Easter, the three main North American meat feasts, and
>>> want there to be only vegetarian dishes.
>>>
>> Again, it's a power trip!
>>
>
>Exactly. There were lots of opportunities for them to come down for
>visits, but they seemed to limit them to the three yearly events that
>featured large roasts of meat.

Yeah, people tend to make trips like that during holidays. Strange
that.

>One of the best I heard was a couple years ago

Nooooooooooooooooooooooo!

On Wednesday, December 16, 2020 at 2:11:42 PM UTC-5, Master Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 10:39:33 -0800 (PST), Bryan Simmons
> > wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, December 16, 2020 at 12:27:36 PM UTC-6, Master Bruce wrote:
> >> On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 09:54:30 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:
> >>
> >> >Bryan Simmons wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 7:59:50 PM UTC-6, cshenk wrote:
> >>
> >> >> > No it isn't Sheldon, any more than your comments about all Asian
> >> >> > rice being grown that way.
> >> >>
> >> >> Would it be fun to have a contest on rfc where every time that
> >> >> Sheldon, a person of Jewish lineage, used a racist slur or wrote
> >> >> anything demeaning or dehumanizing toward other cultures?
> >> >>
> >> >> --Bryan
> >> >
> >> >He'd be neck-n-neck with some others....
> >> But what's the contest?
> >
> >First one to notice posts a reply. Person with the most firsts wins
> >bragging rights.
> Ok. One only has to see Sheldon as the author and one knows the post
> will be racist, bigoted or homophobe. Or all 3 if the Crystal Palace
> has landed.

Don't forget sexist.

Cindy Hamilton

On Wednesday, December 16, 2020 at 2:30:08 PM UTC-5, Graham wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 10:45:21 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday, December 16, 2020 at 1:36:46 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
> >> On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 16:47:29 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>"cshenk" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>>> Julie Bove wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "cshenk" > wrote in message
> >>>>> ...
> >>>>> > Gary wrote:
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > > On 12/13/2020 10:30 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> >>>>> >>> Mexican/Spanish rice all the time. Can a rice cooker do that?
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > > Sure it can but you don't need any rice cooker to make good rice.
> >>>>> > > I would only consider one if I cooked rice for many people often.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Chuckle, agreed. For us, it's 5 times a week at least. Makes sense
> >>>>> > here.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> But how do you do the Mexican rice in it?
> >>>>
> >>>> Depends on what you mean by 'Mexican rice'. If it's just rice grown in
> >>>> Mexico, it' the same as any other. If you mean with tomatoes and
> >>>> chiles, same as you would on a stove, just added to the rice maker
> >>>> instead.
> >>>
> >>>*Sigh* No. When you make Mexican or Spanish rice on the stove, you toast the
> >>>rice for about 3 miutes in butter or olive oil before adding the rest of the
> >>>ingredients. What you add after that, depends on the recipe. My last batch
> >>>had some dried peppers, dried tomatoes and dried onions as well as Knorr
> >>>tomato and rice boullion.
> >> WTF is rice boullion and why when cooking rice anyway?
> >
> > She means Knorr tomato bouillon:
> >
> > <https://www.walmart.com/grocery/ip/Knorr-Tomato-Bouillon-with-Chicken-Flavor-Granulated-7-9-oz/10291836>
> >
> > She's making "Mexican rice". Do try to pay attention, rather than just reading
> > the subject line and winding up for your rant.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> There's a very annoying Knorr ad on the tv at the moment. The voice-over
> refers to it as "booleeon". I'm surprised that they let such ignorance
> pass.

How do you pronounce it? I say bull-yən.

Cindy Hamilton

On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 12:42:20 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, December 16, 2020 at 2:11:42 PM UTC-5, Master Bruce wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 10:39:33 -0800 (PST), Bryan Simmons
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Wednesday, December 16, 2020 at 12:27:36 PM UTC-6, Master Bruce wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 09:54:30 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Bryan Simmons wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 7:59:50 PM UTC-6, cshenk wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >> > No it isn't Sheldon, any more than your comments about all Asian
>> >> >> > rice being grown that way.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Would it be fun to have a contest on rfc where every time that
>> >> >> Sheldon, a person of Jewish lineage, used a racist slur or wrote
>> >> >> anything demeaning or dehumanizing toward other cultures?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --Bryan
>> >> >
>> >> >He'd be neck-n-neck with some others....
>> >> But what's the contest?
>> >
>> >First one to notice posts a reply. Person with the most firsts wins
>> >bragging rights.
>> Ok. One only has to see Sheldon as the author and one knows the post
>> will be racist, bigoted or homophobe. Or all 3 if the Crystal Palace
>> has landed.
>
>Don't forget sexist.

Oh yes!

On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 12:44:59 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> On Wednesday, December 16, 2020 at 2:30:08 PM UTC-5, Graham wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 10:45:21 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 16, 2020 at 1:36:46 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 16:47:29 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "cshenk" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> > Gary wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > > On 12/13/2020 10:30 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>> >>> Mexican/Spanish rice all the time. Can a rice cooker do that?
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > Sure it can but you don't need any rice cooker to make good rice.
>>>>>>> > > I would only consider one if I cooked rice for many people often.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Chuckle, agreed. For us, it's 5 times a week at least. Makes sense
>>>>>>> > here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But how do you do the Mexican rice in it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Depends on what you mean by 'Mexican rice'. If it's just rice grown in
>>>>>> Mexico, it' the same as any other. If you mean with tomatoes and
>>>>>> chiles, same as you would on a stove, just added to the rice maker
>>>>>> instead.
>>>>>
>>>>>*Sigh* No. When you make Mexican or Spanish rice on the stove, you toast the
>>>>>rice for about 3 miutes in butter or olive oil before adding the rest of the
>>>>>ingredients. What you add after that, depends on the recipe. My last batch
>>>>>had some dried peppers, dried tomatoes and dried onions as well as Knorr
>>>>>tomato and rice boullion.
>>>> WTF is rice boullion and why when cooking rice anyway?
>>>
>>> She means Knorr tomato bouillon:
>>>
>>> <https://www.walmart.com/grocery/ip/Knorr-Tomato-Bouillon-with-Chicken-Flavor-Granulated-7-9-oz/10291836>
>>>
>>> She's making "Mexican rice". Do try to pay attention, rather than just reading
>>> the subject line and winding up for your rant.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>> There's a very annoying Knorr ad on the tv at the moment. The voice-over
>> refers to it as "booleeon". I'm surprised that they let such ignorance
>> pass.
>
> How do you pronounce it? I say bull-yən.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

Boo(ee)yon
Just a hint of "ee"
And the "n" in French is not pronounced.

On Wednesday, December 16, 2020 at 4:25:51 PM UTC-5, Graham wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 12:44:59 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday, December 16, 2020 at 2:30:08 PM UTC-5, Graham wrote:
> >> On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 10:45:21 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Wednesday, December 16, 2020 at 1:36:46 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
> >>>> On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 16:47:29 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> >>>> > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>"cshenk" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "cshenk" > wrote in message
> >>>>>>> ...
> >>>>>>> > Gary wrote:
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > > On 12/13/2020 10:30 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> >>>>>>> >>> Mexican/Spanish rice all the time. Can a rice cooker do that?
> >>>>>>> > >
> >>>>>>> > > Sure it can but you don't need any rice cooker to make good rice.
> >>>>>>> > > I would only consider one if I cooked rice for many people often.
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > Chuckle, agreed. For us, it's 5 times a week at least. Makes sense
> >>>>>>> > here.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> But how do you do the Mexican rice in it?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Depends on what you mean by 'Mexican rice'. If it's just rice grown in
> >>>>>> Mexico, it' the same as any other. If you mean with tomatoes and
> >>>>>> chiles, same as you would on a stove, just added to the rice maker
> >>>>>> instead.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>*Sigh* No. When you make Mexican or Spanish rice on the stove, you toast the
> >>>>>rice for about 3 miutes in butter or olive oil before adding the rest of the
> >>>>>ingredients. What you add after that, depends on the recipe. My last batch
> >>>>>had some dried peppers, dried tomatoes and dried onions as well as Knorr
> >>>>>tomato and rice boullion.
> >>>> WTF is rice boullion and why when cooking rice anyway?
> >>>
> >>> She means Knorr tomato bouillon:
> >>>
> >>> <https://www.walmart.com/grocery/ip/Knorr-Tomato-Bouillon-with-Chicken-Flavor-Granulated-7-9-oz/10291836>
> >>>
> >>> She's making "Mexican rice". Do try to pay attention, rather than just reading
> >>> the subject line and winding up for your rant.
> >>>
> >>> Cindy Hamilton
> >> There's a very annoying Knorr ad on the tv at the moment. The voice-over
> >> refers to it as "booleeon". I'm surprised that they let such ignorance
> >> pass.
> >
> > How do you pronounce it? I say bull-yən.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> Boo(ee)yon
> Just a hint of "ee"
> And the "n" in French is not pronounced.

Meh. I treat it as an English word, not a French one. I think bull-yən is the most
common pronunciation in the U.S.

Cindy Hamilton

On 2020-12-16 3:44 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 16, 2020 at 2:30:08 PM UTC-5, Graham wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 10:45:21 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 16, 2020 at 1:36:46 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 16:47:29 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "cshenk" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "cshenk" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> Gary wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 12/13/2020 10:30 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Mexican/Spanish rice all the time. Can a rice cooker do that?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sure it can but you don't need any rice cooker to make good rice.
>>>>>>>>> I would only consider one if I cooked rice for many people often.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chuckle, agreed. For us, it's 5 times a week at least. Makes sense
>>>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But how do you do the Mexican rice in it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Depends on what you mean by 'Mexican rice'. If it's just rice grown in
>>>>>> Mexico, it' the same as any other. If you mean with tomatoes and
>>>>>> chiles, same as you would on a stove, just added to the rice maker
>>>>>> instead.
>>>>>
>>>>> *Sigh* No. When you make Mexican or Spanish rice on the stove, you toast the
>>>>> rice for about 3 miutes in butter or olive oil before adding the rest of the
>>>>> ingredients. What you add after that, depends on the recipe. My last batch
>>>>> had some dried peppers, dried tomatoes and dried onions as well as Knorr
>>>>> tomato and rice boullion.
>>>> WTF is rice boullion and why when cooking rice anyway?
>>>
>>> She means Knorr tomato bouillon:
>>>
>>> <https://www.walmart.com/grocery/ip/Knorr-Tomato-Bouillon-with-Chicken-Flavor-Granulated-7-9-oz/10291836>
>>>
>>> She's making "Mexican rice". Do try to pay attention, rather than just reading
>>> the subject line and winding up for your rant.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>> There's a very annoying Knorr ad on the tv at the moment. The voice-over
>> refers to it as "booleeon". I'm surprised that they let such ignorance
>> pass.
>
> How do you pronounce it? I say bull-yən.
>

Most people do. Ask them to pronounce buoy. You can count on most
people pronouncing it the same as boy.

On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 16:46:29 -0500, Dave Smith wrote:

> On 2020-12-16 3:44 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Wednesday, December 16, 2020 at 2:30:08 PM UTC-5, Graham wrote:
>>> On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 10:45:21 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, December 16, 2020 at 1:36:46 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 16:47:29 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "cshenk" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "cshenk" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>> Gary wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 12/13/2020 10:30 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Mexican/Spanish rice all the time. Can a rice cooker do that?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sure it can but you don't need any rice cooker to make good rice.
>>>>>>>>>> I would only consider one if I cooked rice for many people often.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chuckle, agreed. For us, it's 5 times a week at least. Makes sense
>>>>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But how do you do the Mexican rice in it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Depends on what you mean by 'Mexican rice'. If it's just rice grown in
>>>>>>> Mexico, it' the same as any other. If you mean with tomatoes and
>>>>>>> chiles, same as you would on a stove, just added to the rice maker
>>>>>>> instead.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Sigh* No. When you make Mexican or Spanish rice on the stove, you toast the
>>>>>> rice for about 3 miutes in butter or olive oil before adding the rest of the
>>>>>> ingredients. What you add after that, depends on the recipe. My last batch
>>>>>> had some dried peppers, dried tomatoes and dried onions as well as Knorr
>>>>>> tomato and rice boullion.
>>>>> WTF is rice boullion and why when cooking rice anyway?
>>>>
>>>> She means Knorr tomato bouillon:
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.walmart.com/grocery/ip/Knorr-Tomato-Bouillon-with-Chicken-Flavor-Granulated-7-9-oz/10291836>
>>>>
>>>> She's making "Mexican rice". Do try to pay attention, rather than just reading
>>>> the subject line and winding up for your rant.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>> There's a very annoying Knorr ad on the tv at the moment. The voice-over
>>> refers to it as "booleeon". I'm surprised that they let such ignorance
>>> pass.
>>
>> How do you pronounce it? I say bull-yən.
>>
>
> Most people do. Ask them to pronounce buoy. You can count on most
> people pronouncing it the same as boy.

Certainly in the UK but I've yet to hear it that way in this part of Canada
where it's pronounced "boo-ee"

Dave Smith wrote:

> On 2020-12-16 10:54 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Wednesday, December 16, 2020 at 10:44:20 AM UTC-5, GM wrote:
>
> > > > > Why? Picky eaters are usually happy to be picky.
> > > > It can be a power trip!
> > > And severely highly annoying to those around them...!!!
> >
> > Yes, extremely picky eaters can be annoying. "Oh, I can't eat
> > gluten, even though I've never been tested for gluten sensitivity!"
> > Heh. I don't often think about it, but maybe 25 years ago I sat
> > next to a young woman in a restaurant who proclaimed she was
> > "allergic to all fats". Apparently not her own lipids, though.
>
>
> They sure can be annoying. I was at the corner bakery having a coffee
> and the owner was at the next table with a woman who was ordering
> food for a family gathering. Holey crap, she should have just made
> it pot luck and let the self centered granddaughters and nieces bring
> whatever diet makes them proud to be special. Of the young women
> attending there was at least one vegetarian, one vegan, one gluten
> intolerant and one lactose intolerant.
>
> On our kayaking trip down to Georgia a couple years ago we were
> limited in the restaurants we could go to as a group because one of
> the members is vegan. A couple of the women were semi vegetarian and
> were adamant that we had to cater to the vegan. We were supposed to
> take turns cooking and were expected to provide vegan and vegetarian
> options. Pain in the ass.

I remember that. The Vegan and Vegetarians should have fronted a
second cook to help out.

> Then there are vegetarians like my nephew and his wife who always
> have to be catered to. They would make the trip home for
> Thanksgiving, Christmas and Easter, the three main North American
> meat feasts, and want there to be only vegetarian dishes.

Lovely... I suspect they KNOW they are being a PITA and don't care.


> > But people who simply prefer Parmagiano-Reggiano to green-box parm
> > usually are tolerable. There's a difference between picky and
> > selective.


Yes. I don't worry about it either way.


> If I were in a restaurant or at a function where there was only the
> green box pseudo parmesan I would have it but with low expections.
> Freshly grated is so much better. I have to admit that my wife buys
> small bags of preground. It is real cheese. Is not quite as good as
> freshly grate PR, but it is handy.

Eat what you like.


> > I prefer Parm-Reg, but for some reason I like a shot of green-box
> > parm in French onion soup. (I feel much shame ;-)
> >
>
> Doesn't it clash with the Gryere?

No.

On 2020-12-16 4:25 p.m., Graham wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 12:44:59 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, December 16, 2020 at 2:30:08 PM UTC-5, Graham wrote:
>>> On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 10:45:21 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, December 16, 2020 at 1:36:46 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 16:47:29 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "cshenk" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "cshenk" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>> Gary wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 12/13/2020 10:30 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Mexican/Spanish rice all the time. Can a rice cooker do that?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sure it can but you don't need any rice cooker to make good rice.
>>>>>>>>>> I would only consider one if I cooked rice for many people often.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chuckle, agreed. For us, it's 5 times a week at least. Makes sense
>>>>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But how do you do the Mexican rice in it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Depends on what you mean by 'Mexican rice'. If it's just rice grown in
>>>>>>> Mexico, it' the same as any other. If you mean with tomatoes and
>>>>>>> chiles, same as you would on a stove, just added to the rice maker
>>>>>>> instead.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Sigh* No. When you make Mexican or Spanish rice on the stove, you toast the
>>>>>> rice for about 3 miutes in butter or olive oil before adding the rest of the
>>>>>> ingredients. What you add after that, depends on the recipe. My last batch
>>>>>> had some dried peppers, dried tomatoes and dried onions as well as Knorr
>>>>>> tomato and rice boullion.
>>>>> WTF is rice boullion and why when cooking rice anyway?
>>>>
>>>> She means Knorr tomato bouillon:
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.walmart.com/grocery/ip/Knorr-Tomato-Bouillon-with-Chicken-Flavor-Granulated-7-9-oz/10291836>
>>>>
>>>> She's making "Mexican rice". Do try to pay attention, rather than just reading
>>>> the subject line and winding up for your rant.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>> There's a very annoying Knorr ad on the tv at the moment. The voice-over
>>> refers to it as "booleeon". I'm surprised that they let such ignorance
>>> pass.
>>
>> How do you pronounce it? I say bull-yən.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
> Boo(ee)yon
> Just a hint of "ee"
> And the "n" in French is not pronounced.


I tried several online sites for pronunciation and they seem to go from
the Boo to the yon without the e.

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/pro.../bouillon-cube

Orlando Enrique Fiol wrote:

> In article >,
> writes:
> > I make Mexican/Spanish
> > rice all the time. Can a rice cooker do that?
>
> Of course! You can brown your chilis, aromatics and spices on the
> stove, add tomato sauce or paste and chicken broth, then transfer
> that mixture along with uncooked rice to a rice cooker. A rice cooker
> has distinct advantages over a stovetop, particularly regarding brown
> rice. Not only is its cooking time programmed, its warm mode allows
> the brown rice to dry out completely, resembling the texture of most
> Hispanic rice.

Smile, sorry but she doesn't want to hear it.

On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 17:01:55 -0500, Dave Smith wrote:

> On 2020-12-16 4:25 p.m., Graham wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 12:44:59 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 16, 2020 at 2:30:08 PM UTC-5, Graham wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 10:45:21 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, December 16, 2020 at 1:36:46 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 16:47:29 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "cshenk" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "cshenk" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>> Gary wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/13/2020 10:30 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mexican/Spanish rice all the time. Can a rice cooker do that?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sure it can but you don't need any rice cooker to make good rice.
>>>>>>>>>>> I would only consider one if I cooked rice for many people often.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Chuckle, agreed. For us, it's 5 times a week at least. Makes sense
>>>>>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But how do you do the Mexican rice in it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Depends on what you mean by 'Mexican rice'. If it's just rice grown in
>>>>>>>> Mexico, it' the same as any other. If you mean with tomatoes and
>>>>>>>> chiles, same as you would on a stove, just added to the rice maker
>>>>>>>> instead.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Sigh* No. When you make Mexican or Spanish rice on the stove, you toast the
>>>>>>> rice for about 3 miutes in butter or olive oil before adding the rest of the
>>>>>>> ingredients. What you add after that, depends on the recipe. My last batch
>>>>>>> had some dried peppers, dried tomatoes and dried onions as well as Knorr
>>>>>>> tomato and rice boullion.
>>>>>> WTF is rice boullion and why when cooking rice anyway?
>>>>>
>>>>> She means Knorr tomato bouillon:
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.walmart.com/grocery/ip/Knorr-Tomato-Bouillon-with-Chicken-Flavor-Granulated-7-9-oz/10291836>
>>>>>
>>>>> She's making "Mexican rice". Do try to pay attention, rather than just reading
>>>>> the subject line and winding up for your rant.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>> There's a very annoying Knorr ad on the tv at the moment. The voice-over
>>>> refers to it as "booleeon". I'm surprised that they let such ignorance
>>>> pass.
>>>
>>> How do you pronounce it? I say bull-yən.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> Boo(ee)yon
>> Just a hint of "ee"
>> And the "n" in French is not pronounced.
>
>
> I tried several online sites for pronunciation and they seem to go from
> the Boo to the yon without the e.
>
> https://dictionary.cambridge.org/pro.../bouillon-cube

I did say it was a hint. I have a French dictionary on my desktop and it
has soundbites.

On 2020-12-16 4:54 p.m., Graham wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 16:46:29 -0500, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> On 2020-12-16 3:44 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, December 16, 2020 at 2:30:08 PM UTC-5, Graham wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 10:45:21 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, December 16, 2020 at 1:36:46 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 16:47:29 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "cshenk" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "cshenk" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>> Gary wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/13/2020 10:30 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mexican/Spanish rice all the time. Can a rice cooker do that?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sure it can but you don't need any rice cooker to make good rice.
>>>>>>>>>>> I would only consider one if I cooked rice for many people often.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Chuckle, agreed. For us, it's 5 times a week at least. Makes sense
>>>>>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But how do you do the Mexican rice in it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Depends on what you mean by 'Mexican rice'. If it's just rice grown in
>>>>>>>> Mexico, it' the same as any other. If you mean with tomatoes and
>>>>>>>> chiles, same as you would on a stove, just added to the rice maker
>>>>>>>> instead.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Sigh* No. When you make Mexican or Spanish rice on the stove, you toast the
>>>>>>> rice for about 3 miutes in butter or olive oil before adding the rest of the
>>>>>>> ingredients. What you add after that, depends on the recipe. My last batch
>>>>>>> had some dried peppers, dried tomatoes and dried onions as well as Knorr
>>>>>>> tomato and rice boullion.
>>>>>> WTF is rice boullion and why when cooking rice anyway?
>>>>>
>>>>> She means Knorr tomato bouillon:
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.walmart.com/grocery/ip/Knorr-Tomato-Bouillon-with-Chicken-Flavor-Granulated-7-9-oz/10291836>
>>>>>
>>>>> She's making "Mexican rice". Do try to pay attention, rather than just reading
>>>>> the subject line and winding up for your rant.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>> There's a very annoying Knorr ad on the tv at the moment. The voice-over
>>>> refers to it as "booleeon". I'm surprised that they let such ignorance
>>>> pass.
>>>
>>> How do you pronounce it? I say bull-yən.
>>>
>>
>> Most people do. Ask them to pronounce buoy. You can count on most
>> people pronouncing it the same as boy.
>
> Certainly in the UK but I've yet to hear it that way in this part of Canada
> where it's pronounced "boo-ee"
>

I always heard it here as boy. Apparently that is the English
pronunciation, but the boo-ee pronunciation is American.

On 2020-12-16 4:56 p.m., cshenk wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:

>> Then there are vegetarians like my nephew and his wife who always
>> have to be catered to. They would make the trip home for
>> Thanksgiving, Christmas and Easter, the three main North American
>> meat feasts, and want there to be only vegetarian dishes.
>
> Lovely... I suspect they KNOW they are being a PITA and don't care.

I am not sure that they know they are a PITA. They just figure they are
somehow superior. The mother enabled it. My mother always had a really
good spread for those events. She did not do vegetarian. She had the
roast, pototoes, three or four vegetables and salad. If someone was
vegetarian they could eat vegetables.

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 16, 2020 at 2:30:08 PM UTC-5, Graham wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 10:45:21 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 16, 2020 at 1:36:46 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 16:47:29 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "cshenk" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "cshenk" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> Gary wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 12/13/2020 10:30 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Mexican/Spanish rice all the time. Can a rice cooker do that?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sure it can but you don't need any rice cooker to make good rice.
>>>>>>>>> I would only consider one if I cooked rice for many people often.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chuckle, agreed. For us, it's 5 times a week at least. Makes sense
>>>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But how do you do the Mexican rice in it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Depends on what you mean by 'Mexican rice'. If it's just rice grown in
>>>>>> Mexico, it' the same as any other. If you mean with tomatoes and
>>>>>> chiles, same as you would on a stove, just added to the rice maker
>>>>>> instead.
>>>>>
>>>>> *Sigh* No. When you make Mexican or Spanish rice on the stove, you toast the
>>>>> rice for about 3 miutes in butter or olive oil before adding the rest of the
>>>>> ingredients. What you add after that, depends on the recipe. My last batch
>>>>> had some dried peppers, dried tomatoes and dried onions as well as Knorr
>>>>> tomato and rice boullion.
>>>> WTF is rice boullion and why when cooking rice anyway?
>>>
>>> She means Knorr tomato bouillon:
>>>
>>> <https://www.walmart.com/grocery/ip/Knorr-Tomato-Bouillon-with-Chicken-Flavor-Granulated-7-9-oz/10291836>
>>>
>>> She's making "Mexican rice". Do try to pay attention, rather than just reading
>>> the subject line and winding up for your rant.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>> There's a very annoying Knorr ad on the tv at the moment. The voice-over
>> refers to it as "booleeon". I'm surprised that they let such ignorance
>> pass.
>
> How do you pronounce it? I say bull-yən.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

graham is very sooty upper class. To-mahto you american idiot, not
tomato.

He talks like he has a golf ball stuck in his throat. Just standard
British bluster old boy, or mate.

On 12/16/2020 4:25 PM, Graham wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 12:44:59 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, December 16, 2020 at 2:30:08 PM UTC-5, Graham wrote:
>>> On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 10:45:21 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, December 16, 2020 at 1:36:46 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 16:47:29 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "cshenk" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "cshenk" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>> Gary wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 12/13/2020 10:30 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Mexican/Spanish rice all the time. Can a rice cooker do that?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sure it can but you don't need any rice cooker to make good rice.
>>>>>>>>>> I would only consider one if I cooked rice for many people often.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chuckle, agreed. For us, it's 5 times a week at least. Makes sense
>>>>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But how do you do the Mexican rice in it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Depends on what you mean by 'Mexican rice'. If it's just rice grown in
>>>>>>> Mexico, it' the same as any other. If you mean with tomatoes and
>>>>>>> chiles, same as you would on a stove, just added to the rice maker
>>>>>>> instead.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Sigh* No. When you make Mexican or Spanish rice on the stove, you toast the
>>>>>> rice for about 3 miutes in butter or olive oil before adding the rest of the
>>>>>> ingredients. What you add after that, depends on the recipe. My last batch
>>>>>> had some dried peppers, dried tomatoes and dried onions as well as Knorr
>>>>>> tomato and rice boullion.
>>>>> WTF is rice boullion and why when cooking rice anyway?
>>>>
>>>> She means Knorr tomato bouillon:
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.walmart.com/grocery/ip/Knorr-Tomato-Bouillon-with-Chicken-Flavor-Granulated-7-9-oz/10291836>
>>>>
>>>> She's making "Mexican rice". Do try to pay attention, rather than just reading
>>>> the subject line and winding up for your rant.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>> There's a very annoying Knorr ad on the tv at the moment. The voice-over
>>> refers to it as "booleeon". I'm surprised that they let such ignorance
>>> pass.
>>
>> How do you pronounce it? I say bull-yən.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
> Boo(ee)yon
> Just a hint of "ee"
> And the "n" in French is not pronounced.
>

Nah, a waste of good letters if you don't pronounce them. Just think of
the environmental impact of the ink used to print them for naught.

I go with bull-yan

Graham wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 12:44:59 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, December 16, 2020 at 2:30:08 PM UTC-5, Graham wrote:
>>> On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 10:45:21 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, December 16, 2020 at 1:36:46 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 16:47:29 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "cshenk" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "cshenk" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>> Gary wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 12/13/2020 10:30 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Mexican/Spanish rice all the time. Can a rice cooker do that?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sure it can but you don't need any rice cooker to make good rice.
>>>>>>>>>> I would only consider one if I cooked rice for many people often.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chuckle, agreed. For us, it's 5 times a week at least. Makes sense
>>>>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But how do you do the Mexican rice in it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Depends on what you mean by 'Mexican rice'. If it's just rice grown in
>>>>>>> Mexico, it' the same as any other. If you mean with tomatoes and
>>>>>>> chiles, same as you would on a stove, just added to the rice maker
>>>>>>> instead.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Sigh* No. When you make Mexican or Spanish rice on the stove, you toast the
>>>>>> rice for about 3 miutes in butter or olive oil before adding the rest of the
>>>>>> ingredients. What you add after that, depends on the recipe. My last batch
>>>>>> had some dried peppers, dried tomatoes and dried onions as well as Knorr
>>>>>> tomato and rice boullion.
>>>>> WTF is rice boullion and why when cooking rice anyway?
>>>>
>>>> She means Knorr tomato bouillon:
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.walmart.com/grocery/ip/Knorr-Tomato-Bouillon-with-Chicken-Flavor-Granulated-7-9-oz/10291836>
>>>>
>>>> She's making "Mexican rice". Do try to pay attention, rather than just reading
>>>> the subject line and winding up for your rant.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>> There's a very annoying Knorr ad on the tv at the moment. The voice-over
>>> refers to it as "booleeon". I'm surprised that they let such ignorance
>>> pass.
>>
>> How do you pronounce it? I say bull-yən.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
> Boo(ee)yon
> Just a hint of "ee"
> And the "n" in French is not pronounced.
>

I say pompous bullshit.

How do you pronounce ASSHOLE, Graham?

On Wednesday, December 16, 2020 at 12:12:53 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2020-12-16 4:54 p.m., Graham wrote:
> > On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 16:46:29 -0500, Dave Smith wrote:
> >
> >> On 2020-12-16 3:44 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, December 16, 2020 at 2:30:08 PM UTC-5, Graham wrote:
> >>>> On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 10:45:21 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Wednesday, December 16, 2020 at 1:36:46 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
> >>>>>> On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 16:47:29 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> >>>>>> > wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "cshenk" > wrote in message
> >>>>>>> ...
> >>>>>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> "cshenk" > wrote in message
> >>>>>>>>> ...
> >>>>>>>>>> Gary wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On 12/13/2020 10:30 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Mexican/Spanish rice all the time. Can a rice cooker do that?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Sure it can but you don't need any rice cooker to make good rice.
> >>>>>>>>>>> I would only consider one if I cooked rice for many people often.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Chuckle, agreed. For us, it's 5 times a week at least. Makes sense
> >>>>>>>>>> here.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> But how do you do the Mexican rice in it?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Depends on what you mean by 'Mexican rice'. If it's just rice grown in
> >>>>>>>> Mexico, it' the same as any other. If you mean with tomatoes and
> >>>>>>>> chiles, same as you would on a stove, just added to the rice maker
> >>>>>>>> instead.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> *Sigh* No. When you make Mexican or Spanish rice on the stove, you toast the
> >>>>>>> rice for about 3 miutes in butter or olive oil before adding the rest of the
> >>>>>>> ingredients. What you add after that, depends on the recipe. My last batch
> >>>>>>> had some dried peppers, dried tomatoes and dried onions as well as Knorr
> >>>>>>> tomato and rice boullion.
> >>>>>> WTF is rice boullion and why when cooking rice anyway?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> She means Knorr tomato bouillon:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> <https://www.walmart.com/grocery/ip/Knorr-Tomato-Bouillon-with-Chicken-Flavor-Granulated-7-9-oz/10291836>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> She's making "Mexican rice". Do try to pay attention, rather than just reading
> >>>>> the subject line and winding up for your rant.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cindy Hamilton
> >>>> There's a very annoying Knorr ad on the tv at the moment. The voice-over
> >>>> refers to it as "booleeon". I'm surprised that they let such ignorance
> >>>> pass.
> >>>
> >>> How do you pronounce it? I say bull-yən.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Most people do. Ask them to pronounce buoy. You can count on most
> >> people pronouncing it the same as boy.
> >
> > Certainly in the UK but I've yet to hear it that way in this part of Canada
> > where it's pronounced "boo-ee"
> >
> I always heard it here as boy. Apparently that is the English
> pronunciation, but the boo-ee pronunciation is American.
There's all kinds of ways to pronounce English words. I change my pronunciation, tone, and speed, of my speech depending on who I'm talking to. I try to mimic the person i'm communicating with.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWAUrHODRWM

On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 13:45:30 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, December 16, 2020 at 4:25:51 PM UTC-5, Graham wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 12:44:59 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> > On Wednesday, December 16, 2020 at 2:30:08 PM UTC-5, Graham wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 10:45:21 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On Wednesday, December 16, 2020 at 1:36:46 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>> >>>> On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 16:47:29 -0800, "Julie Bove"
>> >>>> > wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>"cshenk" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >>>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> "cshenk" > wrote in message
>> >>>>>>> ...
>> >>>>>>> > Gary wrote:
>> >>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>> > > On 12/13/2020 10:30 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> >>>>>>> >>> Mexican/Spanish rice all the time. Can a rice cooker do that?
>> >>>>>>> > >
>> >>>>>>> > > Sure it can but you don't need any rice cooker to make good rice.
>> >>>>>>> > > I would only consider one if I cooked rice for many people often.
>> >>>>>>> >
>> >>>>>>> > Chuckle, agreed. For us, it's 5 times a week at least. Makes sense
>> >>>>>>> > here.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> But how do you do the Mexican rice in it?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Depends on what you mean by 'Mexican rice'. If it's just rice grown in
>> >>>>>> Mexico, it' the same as any other. If you mean with tomatoes and
>> >>>>>> chiles, same as you would on a stove, just added to the rice maker
>> >>>>>> instead.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>*Sigh* No. When you make Mexican or Spanish rice on the stove, you toast the
>> >>>>>rice for about 3 miutes in butter or olive oil before adding the rest of the
>> >>>>>ingredients. What you add after that, depends on the recipe. My last batch
>> >>>>>had some dried peppers, dried tomatoes and dried onions as well as Knorr
>> >>>>>tomato and rice boullion.
>> >>>> WTF is rice boullion and why when cooking rice anyway?
>> >>>
>> >>> She means Knorr tomato bouillon:
>> >>>
>> >>> <https://www.walmart.com/grocery/ip/Knorr-Tomato-Bouillon-with-Chicken-Flavor-Granulated-7-9-oz/10291836>
>> >>>
>> >>> She's making "Mexican rice". Do try to pay attention, rather than just reading
>> >>> the subject line and winding up for your rant.
>> >>>
>> >>> Cindy Hamilton
>> >> There's a very annoying Knorr ad on the tv at the moment. The voice-over
>> >> refers to it as "booleeon". I'm surprised that they let such ignorance
>> >> pass.
>> >
>> > How do you pronounce it? I say bull-y?n.
>> >
>> > Cindy Hamilton
>> Boo(ee)yon
>> Just a hint of "ee"
>> And the "n" in French is not pronounced.
>
>Meh. I treat it as an English word, not a French one. I think bull-y?n is the most
>common pronunciation in the U.S.

This is how the French say it:
https://forvo.com/word/bouillon/#fr

But nobody would understand you

On 12/16/2020 4:56 PM, cshenk wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> On our kayaking trip down to Georgia a couple years ago we were
>> limited in the restaurants we could go to as a group because one of
>> the members is vegan. A couple of the women were semi vegetarian and
>> were adamant that we had to cater to the vegan. We were supposed to
>> take turns cooking and were expected to provide vegan and vegetarian
>> options. Pain in the ass.
>
> I remember that. The Vegan and Vegetarians should have fronted a
> second cook to help out.
>
I remember it, too. It got very cold here a month or so before that
kayak trip and I posted a pic of an icicle on one of my back gutters
just to freak Dave out.

It was an organized group trip. Where were they supposed to find this
other cook who would bend to the solitary vegans' will? I think I
suggested at the time Dave first posted about it those who didn't want
to cater to her whims had plenty of restaurants to choose from. Sorry,
she knew who she was going on this trip with. Most of them were
interested in eating some of the lowcountry Georgia cuisine. If she
didn't like it, let her fend for herself. Thing is, most restaurants
these days (especially those who cater to tourist groups) are able to
accomodate vegans in some way, shape or form. Gluten free, lactose
intolerant, too. They probably wouldn't get to sample any authentic to
the region food but they wouldn't starve. Might have to go it alone,
though.

Jill

On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 15:56:50 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:

>I remember that. The Vegan and Vegetarians should have fronted a
>second cook to help out.

I know what to confront a cook means, but to front a cook?

>> Then there are vegetarians like my nephew and his wife who always
>> have to be catered to. They would make the trip home for
>> Thanksgiving, Christmas and Easter, the three main North American
>> meat feasts, and want there to be only vegetarian dishes.
>
>Lovely... I suspect they KNOW they are being a PITA and don't care.

Don't you mean PETA?

On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 17:20:12 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2020-12-16 4:56 p.m., cshenk wrote:
>> Dave Smith wrote:
>
>>> Then there are vegetarians like my nephew and his wife who always
>>> have to be catered to. They would make the trip home for
>>> Thanksgiving, Christmas and Easter, the three main North American
>>> meat feasts, and want there to be only vegetarian dishes.
>>
>> Lovely... I suspect they KNOW they are being a PITA and don't care.
>
>I am not sure that they know they are a PITA. They just figure they are
>somehow superior.

They are.

On 2020-12-16 6:08 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
> On 12/16/2020 4:56 PM, cshenk wrote:
>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>> On our kayaking trip down to Georgia a couple years ago we were
>>> limited in the restaurants we could go to as a group because one of
>>> the members is vegan. A couple of the women were semi vegetarian and
>>> were adamant that we had to cater to the vegan. We were supposed to
>>> take turns cooking and were expected to provide vegan and vegetarian
>>> options. Pain in the ass.
>>
>> I remember that.Â* The Vegan and Vegetarians should have fronted a
>> second cook to help out.
>>
> I remember it, too.Â* It got very cold here a month or so before that
> kayak trip and I posted a pic of an icicle on one of my back gutters
> just to freak Dave out.
>
> It was an organized group trip.Â* Where were they supposed to find this
> other cook who would bend to the solitary vegans' will?Â* I think I
> suggested at the time Dave first posted about it those who didn't want
> to cater to her whims had plenty of restaurants to choose from.Â* Sorry,
> she knew who she was going on this trip with.Â* Most of them were
> interested in eating some of the lowcountry Georgia cuisine.Â* If she
> didn't like it, let her fend for herself.Â* Thing is, most restaurants
> these days (especially those who cater to tourist groups) are able to
> accomodate vegans in some way, shape or form.Â* Gluten free, lactose
> intolerant, too.Â* They probably wouldn't get to sample any authentic to
> the region food but they wouldn't starve.Â* Might have to go it alone,
> though.
>

We survived. Breakfasts and lunches were not a problem. We all took
care of ourselves. We only had two group meals. One was a pasta dish
with a fish option. There other one was a vegan chili. It was pretty
tasty, but a couple of us undermined the total vegan thing. I bought a
bunch of shrimp to marinate and grill on the BBQ and another guy bought
some sausages. The rest of our dinners were in restaurants. I had soft
shell cram a couple times and a crab and shrimp feast at the more or
less famous Crab Shack, shrimp tacos another night.

I saw soft shell crab on a local menu last month. My son brought Thai
food for my birthday because we could not go out to a restaurant. My
wife ordered the soft shell crab. Rather than a whole crab breaded and
fried it had been but into a number of pieces, heavily breaded and very
well cooked, kind of disappointing compared to what we had in Georgia.

"Gary" > wrote in message
...
> On 12/15/2020 7:48 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "Gary" wrote:
>>> I feel for the picky eaters here. I'm easily satisfied.
>>
>> Why? Picky eaters are usually happy to be picky.
>
> Picky eaters have a very limited menu.

So? They eat what they like!

On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 17:28:48 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:

> "Gary" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 12/15/2020 7:48 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> "Gary" wrote:
>>>> I feel for the picky eaters here. I'm easily satisfied.
>>>
>>> Why? Picky eaters are usually happy to be picky.
>>
>> Picky eaters have a very limited menu.
>
> So? They eat what they like!

They need to be kicked up the arse and told to eat what's put in front of
them!

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 2020-12-16 4:56 p.m., cshenk wrote:
>> Dave Smith wrote:
>
>>> Then there are vegetarians like my nephew and his wife who always
>>> have to be catered to. They would make the trip home for
>>> Thanksgiving, Christmas and Easter, the three main North American
>>> meat feasts, and want there to be only vegetarian dishes.
>>
>> Lovely... I suspect they KNOW they are being a PITA and don't care.
>
> I am not sure that they know they are a PITA. They just figure they are
> somehow superior. The mother enabled it. My mother always had a really
> good spread for those events. She did not do vegetarian. She had the
> roast, pototoes, three or four vegetables and salad. If someone was
> vegetarian they could eat vegetables.

That's ridiculous! I've never met a picky eater who thought they were
superior based on their eating. Many are even embarrassed about it and try
not to dine out eat at other people's houses.

Both of my parents were/are picky and so is my brother. But we are not all
picky in the same way. My dad was wary of spices and seasonings. And he
thought margarine was superior to butter. My mom won't eat a whole variety
of things. My brother has a severely limited diet.

On Wednesday, December 16, 2020 at 7:38:37 PM UTC-6, Graham wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 17:28:48 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> > "Gary" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> On 12/15/2020 7:48 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> >>>
> >>> "Gary" wrote:
> >>>> I feel for the picky eaters here. I'm easily satisfied.
> >>>
> >>> Why? Picky eaters are usually happy to be picky.
> >>
> >> Picky eaters have a very limited menu.
> >
> > So? They eat what they like!
> They need to be kicked up the arse and told to eat what's put in front of
> them!


Send 'em back in a time machine to WW II UK, Graham...see how the whingers do on rations of snoek, Woolton Pie, weak beer, and National Loaf...!!!

--
Best
Greg

On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 17:41:31 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:

> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 2020-12-16 4:56 p.m., cshenk wrote:
>>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>>> Then there are vegetarians like my nephew and his wife who always
>>>> have to be catered to. They would make the trip home for
>>>> Thanksgiving, Christmas and Easter, the three main North American
>>>> meat feasts, and want there to be only vegetarian dishes.
>>>
>>> Lovely... I suspect they KNOW they are being a PITA and don't care.
>>
>> I am not sure that they know they are a PITA. They just figure they are
>> somehow superior. The mother enabled it. My mother always had a really
>> good spread for those events. She did not do vegetarian. She had the
>> roast, pototoes, three or four vegetables and salad. If someone was
>> vegetarian they could eat vegetables.
>
> That's ridiculous! I've never met a picky eater who thought they were
> superior based on their eating. Many are even embarrassed about it and try
> not to dine out eat at other people's houses.
>
> Both of my parents were/are picky and so is my brother. But we are not all
> picky in the same way. My dad was wary of spices and seasonings. And he
> thought margarine was superior to butter. My mom won't eat a whole variety
> of things. My brother has a severely limited diet.

The apple doesn't fall far from the tree!

On 2020-12-16 9:37 p.m., Graham wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 17:41:31 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 2020-12-16 4:56 p.m., cshenk wrote:
>>>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Then there are vegetarians like my nephew and his wife who always
>>>>> have to be catered to. They would make the trip home for
>>>>> Thanksgiving, Christmas and Easter, the three main North American
>>>>> meat feasts, and want there to be only vegetarian dishes.
>>>>
>>>> Lovely... I suspect they KNOW they are being a PITA and don't care.
>>>
>>> I am not sure that they know they are a PITA. They just figure they are
>>> somehow superior. The mother enabled it. My mother always had a really
>>> good spread for those events. She did not do vegetarian. She had the
>>> roast, pototoes, three or four vegetables and salad. If someone was
>>> vegetarian they could eat vegetables.
>>
>> That's ridiculous! I've never met a picky eater who thought they were
>> superior based on their eating. Many are even embarrassed about it and try
>> not to dine out eat at other people's houses.
>>
>> Both of my parents were/are picky and so is my brother. But we are not all
>> picky in the same way. My dad was wary of spices and seasonings. And he
>> thought margarine was superior to butter. My mom won't eat a whole variety
>> of things. My brother has a severely limited diet.
>
> The apple doesn't fall far from the tree!
>

I realize that she likes to draw attention to herself but I was not
talking about picky eaters. It was about people with fad diets and
afflictions demanding that everyone accommodate them. I have my own
food issues and their are foods that I have trouble with. |I figure that
it is my responsibility to avoid them whenever I can. I like enough
different foods that I am not going to starve if I have a small serving
of the things that bother me.

"Orlando Enrique Fiol" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, writes:
>>I make Mexican/Spanish
>>rice all the time. Can a rice cooker do that?
>
> Of course! You can brown your chilis, aromatics and spices on the stove,
> add
> tomato sauce or paste and chicken broth, then transfer that mixture along
> with
> uncooked rice to a rice cooker. A rice cooker has distinct advantages over
> a
> stovetop, particularly regarding brown rice. Not only is its cooking time
> programmed, its warm mode allows the brown rice to dry out completely,
> resembling the texture of most Hispanic rice.

Okay. Still probably not going to get one though.

"Orlando Enrique Fiol" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, writes:
>>
>>But how do you do the Mexican rice in it?
> Mexican rice is similar to most other Latino pilafs in which rice's flavor
> is
> enhanced with toasted spices, aromatics and broth or water. The rice
> cooker
> only comes into play when rice meets liquid. Before that liquid, you must
> toast
> your spices and sauté your aromatics, then add a small quantity of tomato
> sauce
> or paste. Once this mixture is nicely browned and caramelized, it's ready
> to be
> combined with raw rice in a cooker, with enough liquid to cover the rice
> and
> come up a finger above that line.

Thanks!

In article >, writes:
>Here's the weird thing. With the rice I usually buy, one cup raw makes two
>cups cooked. This stuff said that one cup raw makes two cups cooked. But no.
>It made far more than that!
>I will carefully use up the rest of what I have, but never buy this again!

Let's get this straight: This rice yields more cooked than the brand you
usually buy, but you think that's a reason never to buy it again? If this
"magic" rice really does yield more than two cups cooked to one cup raw, use
less.


Orlando Enrique Fiol
Charlotte, North Carolina
Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist and Pedagogue
Ph.D. in Music theory
University of Pennsylvania: November, 2018

On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 18:38:30 -0700, Graham > wrote:

>On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 17:28:48 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
>
>> "Gary" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 12/15/2020 7:48 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Gary" wrote:
>>>>> I feel for the picky eaters here. I'm easily satisfied.
>>>>
>>>> Why? Picky eaters are usually happy to be picky.
>>>
>>> Picky eaters have a very limited menu.
>>
>> So? They eat what they like!
>
>They need to be kicked up the arse and told to eat what's put in front of
>them!

Even if they find it too salty?

On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 22:12:15 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>I realize that she likes to draw attention to herself but I was not
>talking about picky eaters. It was about people with fad diets and
>afflictions demanding that everyone accommodate them. I have my own
>food issues and their are foods that I have trouble with. |I figure that
>it is my responsibility to avoid them whenever I can. I like enough
>different foods that I am not going to starve if I have a small serving
>of the things that bother me.

Have you ever had dinner with people who were Dave Smith intolerant?

jmcquown wrote:

> On 12/16/2020 4:56 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > Dave Smith wrote:
> >
> > > On our kayaking trip down to Georgia a couple years ago we were
> > > limited in the restaurants we could go to as a group because one
> > > of the members is vegan. A couple of the women were semi
> > > vegetarian and were adamant that we had to cater to the vegan. We
> > > were supposed to take turns cooking and were expected to provide
> > > vegan and vegetarian options. Pain in the ass.
> >
> > I remember that. The Vegan and Vegetarians should have fronted a
> > second cook to help out.
> >
> I remember it, too. It got very cold here a month or so before that
> kayak trip and I posted a pic of an icicle on one of my back gutters
> just to freak Dave out.
>
> It was an organized group trip. Where were they supposed to find
> this other cook who would bend to the solitary vegans' will? I think
> I suggested at the time Dave first posted about it those who didn't
> want to cater to her whims had plenty of restaurants to choose from.
> Sorry, she knew who she was going on this trip with. Most of them
> were interested in eating some of the lowcountry Georgia cuisine. If
> she didn't like it, let her fend for herself. Thing is, most
> restaurants these days (especially those who cater to tourist groups)
> are able to accomodate vegans in some way, shape or form. Gluten
> free, lactose intolerant, too. They probably wouldn't get to sample
> any authentic to the region food but they wouldn't starve. Might
> have to go it alone, though.
>
> Jill

Smile, I was referring to when the team took turns cooking. The
Vegan/vegetarians should have pitched in some help to make a secondary
dish.

"Orlando Enrique Fiol" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, writes:
>>Here's the weird thing. With the rice I usually buy, one cup raw makes two
>>cups cooked. This stuff said that one cup raw makes two cups cooked. But
>>no.
>>It made far more than that!
>>I will carefully use up the rest of what I have, but never buy this again!
>
> Let's get this straight: This rice yields more cooked than the brand you
> usually buy, but you think that's a reason never to buy it again? If this
> "magic" rice really does yield more than two cups cooked to one cup raw,
> use
> less.

The reason I don't want to buy it again is that I don't always like the
finished product. It was fine when I made it as Mexican rice. But then I
made more white rice with just a little butter and some salt. I measured and
cooked it correctly. But at 20 minutes, it was not done and there was about
2" of water sitting on top.

Perhaps the toasting allows the liquid to seep in better? I don't know. I
cooked this last batch for a total of 40 minutes. At that point I gave up.
Took the lid off, turned the heat up and cooked off the rest of the water.
That was about another 10 minutes. The rice was not as soft as I would have
liked, and it was oddly sticky. Long grain rice should never be sticky.

Justin ate the rest of it. I got no complaints. But I think the rest of it
will go in soup or be made into Mexican rice. As white rice, the finished
product left something to be desired.

"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
> jmcquown wrote:
>
>> On 12/16/2020 4:56 PM, cshenk wrote:
>> > Dave Smith wrote:
>> >
>> > > On our kayaking trip down to Georgia a couple years ago we were
>> > > limited in the restaurants we could go to as a group because one
>> > > of the members is vegan. A couple of the women were semi
>> > > vegetarian and were adamant that we had to cater to the vegan. We
>> > > were supposed to take turns cooking and were expected to provide
>> > > vegan and vegetarian options. Pain in the ass.
>> >
>> > I remember that. The Vegan and Vegetarians should have fronted a
>> > second cook to help out.
>> >
>> I remember it, too. It got very cold here a month or so before that
>> kayak trip and I posted a pic of an icicle on one of my back gutters
>> just to freak Dave out.
>>
>> It was an organized group trip. Where were they supposed to find
>> this other cook who would bend to the solitary vegans' will? I think
>> I suggested at the time Dave first posted about it those who didn't
>> want to cater to her whims had plenty of restaurants to choose from.
>> Sorry, she knew who she was going on this trip with. Most of them
>> were interested in eating some of the lowcountry Georgia cuisine. If
>> she didn't like it, let her fend for herself. Thing is, most
>> restaurants these days (especially those who cater to tourist groups)
>> are able to accomodate vegans in some way, shape or form. Gluten
>> free, lactose intolerant, too. They probably wouldn't get to sample
>> any authentic to the region food but they wouldn't starve. Might
>> have to go it alone, though.
>>
>> Jill
>
> Smile, I was referring to when the team took turns cooking. The
> Vegan/vegetarians should have pitched in some help to make a secondary
> dish.

Any time I've had to make food for a large group, I always do a salad bar
with asst. breads on the side. Maybe some soup as well. That would work for
most people as they can take what they want. Would not work for Jill as she
doesn't eat salad.

"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 6:50:45 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 11:25:08 -0500, Sheldon Martin >
> wrote:
> >On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 03:37:15 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
> >
> >>On Monday, December 14, 2020 at 9:40:40 PM UTC-5, cshenk wrote:
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > On Monday, December 14, 2020 at 3:14:05 PM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton
> >>> > wrote:
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Perhaps Julie was trying to warn us about Blue Ribbon Rice. At any
> >>> > > rate, rice is so inexpensive I don't worry about buying the
> >>> > > rock-bottom cheapest stuff. Riceland or Mahatma for me.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Cindy Hamilton
> >>> > >
> >>> > When have you ever read a post from Julie that she hasn't screwed up
> >>> > a dish, it doesn't taste right, it didn't cook up correctly, I don't
> >>> > like that, I can't eat that, that is not available here, we had to
> >>> > wait in line for a year for a table, I can't get my mail?
> >>> >
> >>> > Riceland and Mahatma works for me, too. Even the stuff from Dollar
> >>> > Tree cooks up perfect every time.
> >>> I'm a self admitted rice snob. I like the better stuff.
> >>
> >>What's "better stuff"? We favor plain, long-grain rice. My husband
> >>typically
> >>cooks it with salt and a dab of butter, then eats it with reduced
> >>chicken or
> >>turkey stock in lieu of gravy. Jasmine, basmati, or other fragrant rice
> >>would be intrusive to the flavor profile he's looking for.
> >>
> >>We use basmati for Indian cooking, though.
> >>
> >>Cindy Hamilton
> >
> >You'd be much better off eating Texmati.. real Basmati is grown in
> >paddys filled with human waste.
> You have a point. Avoid Asian produce. They have no standards.
That's hardly true. The Japanese and the Koreans give out fruits as
presents. The fruits are the most beautiful and most awesome produce ever.
My guess is that the Chinese and other Asians will have something similar.
https://digjapan.travel/en/blog/id=12324

==

Oh my goodness. I had never heard of anything like that) It looks
wonderful though)

"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Wednesday, December 16, 2020 at 12:12:53 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2020-12-16 4:54 p.m., Graham wrote:
> > On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 16:46:29 -0500, Dave Smith wrote:
> >
> >> On 2020-12-16 3:44 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, December 16, 2020 at 2:30:08 PM UTC-5, Graham wrote:
> >>>> On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 10:45:21 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Wednesday, December 16, 2020 at 1:36:46 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
> >>>>>> On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 16:47:29 -0800, "Julie Bove"
> >>>>>> > wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "cshenk" > wrote in message
> >>>>>>> ...
> >>>>>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> "cshenk" > wrote in message
> >>>>>>>>> ...
> >>>>>>>>>> Gary wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On 12/13/2020 10:30 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Mexican/Spanish rice all the time. Can a rice cooker do that?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Sure it can but you don't need any rice cooker to make good
> >>>>>>>>>>> rice.
> >>>>>>>>>>> I would only consider one if I cooked rice for many people
> >>>>>>>>>>> often.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Chuckle, agreed. For us, it's 5 times a week at least. Makes
> >>>>>>>>>> sense
> >>>>>>>>>> here.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> But how do you do the Mexican rice in it?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Depends on what you mean by 'Mexican rice'. If it's just rice
> >>>>>>>> grown in
> >>>>>>>> Mexico, it' the same as any other. If you mean with tomatoes and
> >>>>>>>> chiles, same as you would on a stove, just added to the rice
> >>>>>>>> maker
> >>>>>>>> instead.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> *Sigh* No. When you make Mexican or Spanish rice on the stove, you
> >>>>>>> toast the
> >>>>>>> rice for about 3 miutes in butter or olive oil before adding the
> >>>>>>> rest of the
> >>>>>>> ingredients. What you add after that, depends on the recipe. My
> >>>>>>> last batch
> >>>>>>> had some dried peppers, dried tomatoes and dried onions as well as
> >>>>>>> Knorr
> >>>>>>> tomato and rice boullion.
> >>>>>> WTF is rice boullion and why when cooking rice anyway?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> She means Knorr tomato bouillon:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> <https://www.walmart.com/grocery/ip/Knorr-Tomato-Bouillon-with-Chicken-Flavor-Granulated-7-9-oz/10291836>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> She's making "Mexican rice". Do try to pay attention, rather than
> >>>>> just reading
> >>>>> the subject line and winding up for your rant.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cindy Hamilton
> >>>> There's a very annoying Knorr ad on the tv at the moment. The
> >>>> voice-over
> >>>> refers to it as "booleeon". I'm surprised that they let such
> >>>> ignorance
> >>>> pass.
> >>>
> >>> How do you pronounce it? I say bull-yÉ„¢n.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Most people do. Ask them to pronounce buoy. You can count on most
> >> people pronouncing it the same as boy.
> >
> > Certainly in the UK but I've yet to hear it that way in this part of
> > Canada
> > where it's pronounced "boo-ee"
> >
> I always heard it here as boy. Apparently that is the English
> pronunciation, but the boo-ee pronunciation is American.
There's all kinds of ways to pronounce English words. I change my
pronunciation, tone, and speed, of my speech depending on who I'm talking
to. I try to mimic the person i'm communicating with.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWAUrHODRWM

====

LOL My pronunciation has change over the years. I started off Yorkshire
but I have lived in so many places over so many years ... nobody would
recognise that now

It feels to me that the Yorkshire way of speaking has changed and I don't
recognise it(