https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MT3S2CK/

Don loves it!

We will keep the manual hydrolic as he likes the exercise but this one
will be used for larger batches or larger logs. A bit ago we gave away
possibly 50 logs just over our ability to split down but this will
handle them.

On 12/25/2020 11:21 AM, cshenk wrote:
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MT3S2CK/
>
> Don loves it!
>
> We will keep the manual hydrolic as he likes the exercise but this one
> will be used for larger batches or larger logs. A bit ago we gave away
> possibly 50 logs just over our ability to split down but this will
> handle them.
>

Nice. There were days using a maul I wished for something like that.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> On 12/25/2020 11:21 AM, cshenk wrote:
> > https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MT3S2CK/
> >
> > Don loves it!
> >
> > We will keep the manual hydrolic as he likes the exercise but this
> > one will be used for larger batches or larger logs. A bit ago we
> > gave away possibly 50 logs just over our ability to split down but
> > this will handle them.
> >
>
> Nice. There were days using a maul I wished for something like that.

It is nice! What we like is it stores upright too so takes up less
shed space. I know it's too small for some here who get larger logs in
larger quantities, but for us, it's our speed.

On 12/25/2020 11:23 AM, cshenk wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> On 12/25/2020 11:21 AM, cshenk wrote:
>>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MT3S2CK/
>>>
>>> Don loves it!
>>>
>>> We will keep the manual hydrolic as he likes the exercise but this
>>> one will be used for larger batches or larger logs. A bit ago we
>>> gave away possibly 50 logs just over our ability to split down but
>>> this will handle them.
>>>
>>
>> Nice. There were days using a maul I wished for something like that.
>
> It is nice! What we like is it stores upright too so takes up less
> shed space. I know it's too small for some here who get larger logs in
> larger quantities, but for us, it's our speed.
>

If it fits your needs ... be happy with it ! The one I have fits my
needs and I'm happy with it .
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On Friday, December 25, 2020 at 6:21:12 AM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MT3S2CK/
>
> Don loves it!
>
> We will keep the manual hydrolic as he likes the exercise but this one
> will be used for larger batches or larger logs. A bit ago we gave away
> possibly 50 logs just over our ability to split down but this will
> handle them.
That looks like a whole lot of fun, dammit!

On 12/26/2020 4:27 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Friday, December 25, 2020 at 6:21:12 AM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MT3S2CK/
>>
>> Don loves it!
>>
>> We will keep the manual hydrolic as he likes the exercise but this one
>> will be used for larger batches or larger logs. A bit ago we gave away
>> possibly 50 logs just over our ability to split down but this will
>> handle them.
> That looks like a whole lot of fun, dammit!
>

It's cold here in Virginia Beach this weekend. Here comes that
neighborhood second-hand fireplace smoke again.

On 2020 Dec 25, , Ed Pawlowski wrote
(in article >):

> On 12/25/2020 11:21 AM, cshenk wrote:
> > https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MT3S2CK/
> >
> > Don loves it!
> >
> > We will keep the manual hydrolic as he likes the exercise but this one
> > will be used for larger batches or larger logs. A bit ago we gave away
> > possibly 50 logs just over our ability to split down but this will
> > handle them.
>
> Nice. There were days using a maul I wished for something like that.

I have a sledgehammer, a wedge, an axe and something called a wood grenade in
the garage. The only one of them that I have used in the last thirty years is
the axe. I found that paying a power bill is more efficient to me than what
they do.
I also have a five foot by one inch diameter iron rod with a chisel tip, a
hand winch and a crowbar. What the hell was I thinking?

On 12/26/2020 8:46 PM, Leo wrote:

>> Nice. There were days using a maul I wished for something like that.
>
> I have a sledgehammer, a wedge, an axe and something called a wood grenade in
> the garage. The only one of them that I have used in the last thirty years is
> the axe. I found that paying a power bill is more efficient to me than what
> they do.
> I also have a five foot by one inch diameter iron rod with a chisel tip, a
> hand winch and a crowbar. What the hell was I thinking?
>
>
When I was younger heating with wood was good exercise and using the
stove to cook at times was fun. Famil room was always nice and warm too.
Not sure how much money I actually saved but at some point I found it
easier to write checks for oil than split and haul wood.

On 2020-12-26 9:53 p.m., Bob wrote:
> On 12/26/2020 8:46 PM, Leo wrote:
>
>>> Nice. There were days using a maul I wished for something like that.
>>
>> I have a sledgehammer, a wedge, an axe and something called a wood
>> grenade in
>> the garage. The only one of them that I have used in the last thirty
>> years is
>> the axe. I found that paying a power bill is more efficient to me than
>> what
>> they do.
>> I also have a five foot by one inch diameter iron rod with a chisel
>> tip, a
>> hand winch and a crowbar. What the hell was I thinking?
>>
>>
> When I was younger heating with wood was good exercise and using the
> stove to cook at times was fun. Famil room was always nice and warm too.
> Â*Not sure how much money I actually saved but at some point I found it
> easier to write checks for oil than split and haul wood.

Not to mention the problem of most fireplaces sucking all that warm air
out of the rest of the house to feed the fire. The house next door had
an oil furnace but the former owner heated primarily with wood. He had a
brother who owned a wood lot a few miles from here. He worked steady
midnights and spent most of his time cutting, splitting and lugging work.

He worked at a GM plant and his wife was a loans officer at a local
bank, so they were making pretty good money between them and could
easily afford to pay for oil.


The guy who bought the house from him got rid of the wood stove and
replaced the oil furnace with natural gas. He later sold the house and
built a place about 250 miles north of here and heats that place. They
got one of those hi tech exterior units that uses a coolant to transfer
the heat from the wood powered heater to the house. His wife usually
comes back this way to visit every christmas, bit he has to stay there
to feed the fire. She is not very happy with the arrangement.

On Sat, 26 Dec 2020 22:11:13 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2020-12-26 9:53 p.m., Bob wrote:
>>>
>> When I was younger heating with wood was good exercise and using the
>> stove to cook at times was fun. Famil room was always nice and warm too.
>> Â*Not sure how much money I actually saved but at some point I found it
>> easier to write checks for oil than split and haul wood.
>
>Not to mention the problem of most fireplaces sucking all that warm air
>out of the rest of the house to feed the fire.

So fireplaces make the room colder instead of warmer. Damn, I should
have known!

Master Bruce wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Dec 2020 22:11:13 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2020-12-26 9:53 p.m., Bob wrote:
>>>>
>>> When I was younger heating with wood was good exercise and using the
>>> stove to cook at times was fun. Famil room was always nice and warm too.
>>> Â*Not sure how much money I actually saved but at some point I found it
>>> easier to write checks for oil than split and haul wood.
>>
>> Not to mention the problem of most fireplaces sucking all that warm air
>> out of the rest of the house to feed the fire.
>
> So fireplaces make the room colder instead of warmer. Damn, I should
> have known!
>

I call it the "Popeye effect". A weird result of navy thermodynamics.

On Saturday, December 26, 2020 at 3:20:08 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> On 12/26/2020 4:27 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Friday, December 25, 2020 at 6:21:12 AM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
> >> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MT3S2CK/
> >>
> >> Don loves it!
> >>
> >> We will keep the manual hydrolic as he likes the exercise but this one
> >> will be used for larger batches or larger logs. A bit ago we gave away
> >> possibly 50 logs just over our ability to split down but this will
> >> handle them.
> > That looks like a whole lot of fun, dammit!
> >
> It's cold here in Virginia Beach this weekend. Here comes that
> neighborhood second-hand fireplace smoke again.
You should see our neighborhood second-hand smoke. Kilauea erupted back in 1983 and didn't stop until 2018. Hawaii had to put up with vog from that smoker for 35 years. It stopped a couple of years ago which was a great relief. Now it started up again. I was hoping that it would be dormant for a little while longer - say 500 years.
https://img.volcanodiscovery.com/upl...5-16-33-21.jpg

On 2020 Dec 26, , dsi1 wrote
(in >):

> You should see our neighborhood second-hand smoke. Kilauea erupted back in
> 1983 and didn't stop until 2018. Hawaii had to put up with vog from that
> smoker for 35 years. It stopped a couple of years ago which was a great
> relief. Now it started up again. I was hoping that it would be dormant for a
> little while longer - say 500 years.

Have you discussed the issue with Pele?

On Saturday, December 26, 2020 at 9:50:22 PM UTC-10, Leo wrote:
> On 2020 Dec 26, , dsi1 wrote
> (in >):
> > You should see our neighborhood second-hand smoke. Kilauea erupted back in
> > 1983 and didn't stop until 2018. Hawaii had to put up with vog from that
> > smoker for 35 years. It stopped a couple of years ago which was a great
> > relief. Now it started up again. I was hoping that it would be dormant for a
> > little while longer - say 500 years.
> Have you discussed the issue with Pele?
Heck no! Humans cannot discuss "things" with the spirits. We have to be happy with whatever the gods and spirits decide to do with us.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpXz6rw-di8

On Sun, 27 Dec 2020 00:43:10 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> wrote:

>On Saturday, December 26, 2020 at 9:50:22 PM UTC-10, Leo wrote:
>> On 2020 Dec 26, , dsi1 wrote
>> (in >):
>> > You should see our neighborhood second-hand smoke. Kilauea erupted back in
>> > 1983 and didn't stop until 2018. Hawaii had to put up with vog from that
>> > smoker for 35 years. It stopped a couple of years ago which was a great
>> > relief. Now it started up again. I was hoping that it would be dormant for a
>> > little while longer - say 500 years.
>> Have you discussed the issue with Pele?
..
>Heck no! Humans cannot discuss "things" with the spirits. We have to be happy with whatever the gods and spirits decide to do with us.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpXz6rw-di8
..
What? Pele's a football (played with the feet and with a ball) player
and he's still alive.
..

On 27/12/2020 09:44, Master Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Dec 2020 00:43:10 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> > wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, December 26, 2020 at 9:50:22 PM UTC-10, Leo wrote:
>>> On 2020 Dec 26, , dsi1 wrote
>>> (in >):
>>>> You should see our neighborhood second-hand smoke. Kilauea erupted back in
>>>> 1983 and didn't stop until 2018. Hawaii had to put up with vog from that
>>>> smoker for 35 years. It stopped a couple of years ago which was a great
>>>> relief. Now it started up again. I was hoping that it would be dormant for a
>>>> little while longer - say 500 years.
>>> Have you discussed the issue with Pele?
> .
>> Heck no! Humans cannot discuss "things" with the spirits. We have to be happy with whatever the gods and spirits decide to do with us.
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpXz6rw-di8
> .
> What? Pele's a football (played with the feet and with a ball) player
> and he's still alive.
> .
Not that Pele. The Polynesian goddess.

On Sun, 27 Dec 2020 10:38:33 +0000, S Viemeister
> wrote:

>On 27/12/2020 09:44, Master Bruce wrote:
>> On Sun, 27 Dec 2020 00:43:10 -0800 (PST), dsi1
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Saturday, December 26, 2020 at 9:50:22 PM UTC-10, Leo wrote:
>>>> On 2020 Dec 26, , dsi1 wrote
>>>> (in >):
>>>>> You should see our neighborhood second-hand smoke. Kilauea erupted back in
>>>>> 1983 and didn't stop until 2018. Hawaii had to put up with vog from that
>>>>> smoker for 35 years. It stopped a couple of years ago which was a great
>>>>> relief. Now it started up again. I was hoping that it would be dormant for a
>>>>> little while longer - say 500 years.
>>>> Have you discussed the issue with Pele?
>> .
>>> Heck no! Humans cannot discuss "things" with the spirits. We have to be happy with whatever the gods and spirits decide to do with us.
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpXz6rw-di8
>> .
>> What? Pele's a football (played with the feet and with a ball) player
>> and he's still alive.
>> .
>Not that Pele. The Polynesian goddess.
..
I wonder why they named her after a football player.
..

"Master Bruce" wrote in message
...

On Sun, 27 Dec 2020 10:38:33 +0000, S Viemeister
> wrote:

>On 27/12/2020 09:44, Master Bruce wrote:
>> On Sun, 27 Dec 2020 00:43:10 -0800 (PST), dsi1
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Saturday, December 26, 2020 at 9:50:22 PM UTC-10, Leo wrote:
>>>> On 2020 Dec 26, , dsi1 wrote
>>>> (in >):
>>>>> You should see our neighborhood second-hand smoke. Kilauea erupted
>>>>> back in
>>>>> 1983 and didn't stop until 2018. Hawaii had to put up with vog from
>>>>> that
>>>>> smoker for 35 years. It stopped a couple of years ago which was a
>>>>> great
>>>>> relief. Now it started up again. I was hoping that it would be dormant
>>>>> for a
>>>>> little while longer - say 500 years.
>>>> Have you discussed the issue with Pele?
>> .
>>> Heck no! Humans cannot discuss "things" with the spirits. We have to be
>>> happy with whatever the gods and spirits decide to do with us.
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpXz6rw-di8
>> .
>> What? Pele's a football (played with the feet and with a ball) player
>> and he's still alive.
>> .
>Not that Pele. The Polynesian goddess.
..
I wonder why they named her after a football player.

==

<g>

..

On Saturday, December 26, 2020 at 11:44:44 PM UTC-10, Master Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Dec 2020 00:43:10 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> > wrote:
>
> >On Saturday, December 26, 2020 at 9:50:22 PM UTC-10, Leo wrote:
> >> On 2020 Dec 26, , dsi1 wrote
> >> (in >):
> >> > You should see our neighborhood second-hand smoke. Kilauea erupted back in
> >> > 1983 and didn't stop until 2018. Hawaii had to put up with vog from that
> >> > smoker for 35 years. It stopped a couple of years ago which was a great
> >> > relief. Now it started up again. I was hoping that it would be dormant for a
> >> > little while longer - say 500 years.
> >> Have you discussed the issue with Pele?
> .
> >Heck no! Humans cannot discuss "things" with the spirits. We have to be happy with whatever the gods and spirits decide to do with us.
> >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpXz6rw-di8
> .
> What? Pele's a football (played with the feet and with a ball) player
> and he's still alive.
> .
Playing football with your feet? That's the most ridiculous thing I ever herd.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4Qlk7sfZfQ

On 12/26/2020 10:22 PM, Master Bruce wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Dec 2020 22:11:13 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2020-12-26 9:53 p.m., Bob wrote:
>>>>
>>> When I was younger heating with wood was good exercise and using the
>>> stove to cook at times was fun. Famil room was always nice and warm too.
>>> Not sure how much money I actually saved but at some point I found it
>>> easier to write checks for oil than split and haul wood.
>>
>> Not to mention the problem of most fireplaces sucking all that warm air
>> out of the rest of the house to feed the fire.
>
> So fireplaces make the room colder instead of warmer. Damn, I should
> have known!

A plain fireplace is pretty but quite inefficient for heating. Most of
the heat goes right up the chimney.

A free standing wood stove does a much better job for heating.

On Sunday, December 27, 2020 at 4:45:55 AM UTC-6, Master Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Dec 2020 10:38:33 +0000, S Viemeister
> > wrote:
>
> >On 27/12/2020 09:44, Master Bruce wrote:
> >> On Sun, 27 Dec 2020 00:43:10 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Saturday, December 26, 2020 at 9:50:22 PM UTC-10, Leo wrote:
> >>>> On 2020 Dec 26, , dsi1 wrote
> >>>> (in >):
> >>>>> You should see our neighborhood second-hand smoke. Kilauea erupted back in
> >>>>> 1983 and didn't stop until 2018. Hawaii had to put up with vog from that
> >>>>> smoker for 35 years. It stopped a couple of years ago which was a great
> >>>>> relief. Now it started up again. I was hoping that it would be dormant for a
> >>>>> little while longer - say 500 years.
> >>>> Have you discussed the issue with Pele?
> >> .
> >>> Heck no! Humans cannot discuss "things" with the spirits. We have to be happy with whatever the gods and spirits decide to do with us.
> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpXz6rw-di8
> >> .
> >> What? Pele's a football (played with the feet and with a ball) player
> >> and he's still alive.
> >> .
> >Not that Pele. The Polynesian goddess.
> .
> I wonder why they named her after a football player.
> .
I think they named her *before* a football player.

--Bryan

On Sun, 27 Dec 2020 08:29:53 -0500, Gary wrote:

> On 12/26/2020 10:22 PM, Master Bruce wrote:
>> On Sat, 26 Dec 2020 22:11:13 -0500, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2020-12-26 9:53 p.m., Bob wrote:
>>>>>
>>>> When I was younger heating with wood was good exercise and using the
>>>> stove to cook at times was fun. Famil room was always nice and warm too.
>>>> Not sure how much money I actually saved but at some point I found it
>>>> easier to write checks for oil than split and haul wood.
>>>
>>> Not to mention the problem of most fireplaces sucking all that warm air
>>> out of the rest of the house to feed the fire.
>>
>> So fireplaces make the room colder instead of warmer. Damn, I should
>> have known!
>
> A plain fireplace is pretty but quite inefficient for heating. Most of
> the heat goes right up the chimney.
>
> A free standing wood stove does a much better job for heating.

They used to advertise a "Physicist"s firegrate" in Scientific American. It
held the logs to create black box readiation.

Leo wrote:

> On 2020 Dec 25, , Ed Pawlowski wrote
> (in article >):
>
> > On 12/25/2020 11:21 AM, cshenk wrote:
> > > https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MT3S2CK/
> > >
> > > Don loves it!
> > >
> > > We will keep the manual hydrolic as he likes the exercise but
> > > this one will be used for larger batches or larger logs. A bit
> > > ago we gave away possibly 50 logs just over our ability to split
> > > down but this will handle them.
> >
> > Nice. There were days using a maul I wished for something like that.
>
> I have a sledgehammer, a wedge, an axe and something called a wood
> grenade in the garage. The only one of them that I have used in the
> last thirty years is the axe. I found that paying a power bill is
> more efficient to me than what they do.
> I also have a five foot by one inch diameter iron rod with a chisel
> tip, a hand winch and a crowbar. What the hell was I thinking?

LOL!

Anyways, igoring all the folks who don't have or never have had an
efficient fireplace and think all the heat 'goes up the chimney'.

We kept the living room and kitchen a nice toasty 78 for 2 days of the
mid-upper 30's and the side rooms were at 72F. Only the sun room
needed help and it's the furthest corner fom the fireplace. HVAC
didn't kick in any except at night when the fire was banked.

I wouldn't want to heat only with it, too much work and would have to
get up to tend at night. Now we are in a warming trend where it will
be near 50's or low 60's for a few days.

Meantime, Don is really liking the electric one.

On Sun, 27 Dec 2020 08:29:53 -0500, Gary > wrote:

>On 12/26/2020 10:22 PM, Master Bruce wrote:
>> On Sat, 26 Dec 2020 22:11:13 -0500, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2020-12-26 9:53 p.m., Bob wrote:
>>>>>
>>>> When I was younger heating with wood was good exercise and using the
>>>> stove to cook at times was fun. Famil room was always nice and warm too.
>>>> Not sure how much money I actually saved but at some point I found it
>>>> easier to write checks for oil than split and haul wood.
>>>
>>> Not to mention the problem of most fireplaces sucking all that warm air
>>> out of the rest of the house to feed the fire.
>>
>> So fireplaces make the room colder instead of warmer. Damn, I should
>> have known!
>
>A plain fireplace is pretty but quite inefficient for heating. Most of
>the heat goes right up the chimney.
>
>A free standing wood stove does a much better job for heating.

I remember an awful lot of heat coming from our fireplace in our
previous house. Much more than we ever get from an airco. The horsing
around with wood was a pain, though. And it's very polluting.

On Sun, 27 Dec 2020 02:51:25 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> wrote:

>On Saturday, December 26, 2020 at 11:44:44 PM UTC-10, Master Bruce wrote:
>> On Sun, 27 Dec 2020 00:43:10 -0800 (PST), dsi1
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Saturday, December 26, 2020 at 9:50:22 PM UTC-10, Leo wrote:
>> >> On 2020 Dec 26, , dsi1 wrote
>> >> (in >):
>> >> > You should see our neighborhood second-hand smoke. Kilauea erupted back in
>> >> > 1983 and didn't stop until 2018. Hawaii had to put up with vog from that
>> >> > smoker for 35 years. It stopped a couple of years ago which was a great
>> >> > relief. Now it started up again. I was hoping that it would be dormant for a
>> >> > little while longer - say 500 years.
>> >> Have you discussed the issue with Pele?
>> .
>> >Heck no! Humans cannot discuss "things" with the spirits. We have to be happy with whatever the gods and spirits decide to do with us.
>> >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpXz6rw-di8
>> .
>> What? Pele's a football (played with the feet and with a ball) player
>> and he's still alive.
>> .
>Playing football with your feet? That's the most ridiculous thing I ever herd.

Whole herds of people do it!

Sheldon Martin wrote:

> On Sun, 27 Dec 2020 08:29:53 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>
> > On 12/26/2020 10:22 PM, Master Bruce wrote:
> >> On Sat, 26 Dec 2020 22:11:13 -0500, Dave Smith
> >> > wrote:
> > >
> >>> On 2020-12-26 9:53 p.m., Bob wrote:
> > > > > >
> >>>> When I was younger heating with wood was good exercise and using
> the >>>> stove to cook at times was fun. Famil room was always nice
> and warm too. >>>> Not sure how much money I actually saved but at
> some point I found it >>>> easier to write checks for oil than split
> and haul wood.
> > > >
> >>> Not to mention the problem of most fireplaces sucking all that
> warm air >>> out of the rest of the house to feed the fire.
> > >
> >> So fireplaces make the room colder instead of warmer. Damn, I
> should >> have known!
> >
> > A plain fireplace is pretty but quite inefficient for heating. Most
> > of the heat goes right up the chimney.
> >
> > A free standing wood stove does a much better job for heating.
>
> No matter which type of wood stove/fireplace/outdoor fire pit, burning
> wood does more damage to the respiratory system than smoking
> cigarettes.

You lost everyone right there with your rant.

cshenk wrote:
> Sheldon Martin wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 27 Dec 2020 08:29:53 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/26/2020 10:22 PM, Master Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 26 Dec 2020 22:11:13 -0500, Dave Smith
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2020-12-26 9:53 p.m., Bob wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> When I was younger heating with wood was good exercise and using
>> the >>>> stove to cook at times was fun. Famil room was always nice
>> and warm too. >>>> Not sure how much money I actually saved but at
>> some point I found it >>>> easier to write checks for oil than split
>> and haul wood.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not to mention the problem of most fireplaces sucking all that
>> warm air >>> out of the rest of the house to feed the fire.
>>>>
>>>> So fireplaces make the room colder instead of warmer. Damn, I
>> should >> have known!
>>>
>>> A plain fireplace is pretty but quite inefficient for heating. Most
>>> of the heat goes right up the chimney.
>>>
>>> A free standing wood stove does a much better job for heating.
>>
>> No matter which type of wood stove/fireplace/outdoor fire pit, burning
>> wood does more damage to the respiratory system than smoking
>> cigarettes.
>
> You lost everyone right there with your rant.
>

You have to give him some credit though. He didn't get sidetracked
off on a long winded spiel about enormous squirting pussy.

On Sunday, December 27, 2020 at 3:30:05 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> On 12/26/2020 10:22 PM, Master Bruce wrote:
> > On Sat, 26 Dec 2020 22:11:13 -0500, Dave Smith
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> On 2020-12-26 9:53 p.m., Bob wrote:
> >>>>
> >>> When I was younger heating with wood was good exercise and using the
> >>> stove to cook at times was fun. Famil room was always nice and warm too.
> >>> Not sure how much money I actually saved but at some point I found it
> >>> easier to write checks for oil than split and haul wood.
> >>
> >> Not to mention the problem of most fireplaces sucking all that warm air
> >> out of the rest of the house to feed the fire.
> >
> > So fireplaces make the room colder instead of warmer. Damn, I should
> > have known!
> A plain fireplace is pretty but quite inefficient for heating. Most of
> the heat goes right up the chimney.
>
> A free standing wood stove does a much better job for heating.
A free standing wood stove does radiate a lot of heat but my guess is that most of the heat still goes up the chimney.

On 12/27/2020 1:31 PM, Master Bruce wrote:

>> A free standing wood stove does a much better job for heating.
>
> I remember an awful lot of heat coming from our fireplace in our
> previous house. Much more than we ever get from an airco. The horsing
> around with wood was a pain, though. And it's very polluting.
>

Regulations, both federal and local are helping. Many locales have days
that prohibit use of burning and new equipment has to meet standards.
Of course, much old equipment is still in use and will be for a long time.

EPA's mandatory smoke emission limit for wood stoves is now 4.5 grams of
smoke per hour (g/h) under Step 1 of the revised standards of
performance for wood burning room heaters; Step 2 will take effect on
May 15, 2020, when the standard will be lowered to 2.0 g/h.

On Sun, 27 Dec 2020 16:01:14 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 12/27/2020 1:31 PM, Master Bruce wrote:
>
>>> A free standing wood stove does a much better job for heating.
>>
>> I remember an awful lot of heat coming from our fireplace in our
>> previous house. Much more than we ever get from an airco. The horsing
>> around with wood was a pain, though. And it's very polluting.
>>
>
>Regulations, both federal and local are helping. Many locales have days
>that prohibit use of burning and new equipment has to meet standards.
>Of course, much old equipment is still in use and will be for a long time.
>
>EPA's mandatory smoke emission limit for wood stoves is now 4.5 grams of
>smoke per hour (g/h) under Step 1 of the revised standards of
>performance for wood burning room heaters; Step 2 will take effect on
>May 15, 2020, when the standard will be lowered to 2.0 g/h.

In the Australian countryside, everybody does what they want. There
are even lots of people who can use garbage pickup, but choose not to.
Instead, they burn all their household rubbish. I think they're
ferals.

On 12/27/2020 3:58 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Sunday, December 27, 2020 at 3:30:05 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
>> On 12/26/2020 10:22 PM, Master Bruce wrote:
>>> On Sat, 26 Dec 2020 22:11:13 -0500, Dave Smith
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2020-12-26 9:53 p.m., Bob wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>> When I was younger heating with wood was good exercise and using the
>>>>> stove to cook at times was fun. Famil room was always nice and warm too.
>>>>> Not sure how much money I actually saved but at some point I found it
>>>>> easier to write checks for oil than split and haul wood.
>>>>
>>>> Not to mention the problem of most fireplaces sucking all that warm air
>>>> out of the rest of the house to feed the fire.
>>>
>>> So fireplaces make the room colder instead of warmer. Damn, I should
>>> have known!
>> A plain fireplace is pretty but quite inefficient for heating. Most of
>> the heat goes right up the chimney.
>>
>> A free standing wood stove does a much better job for heating.
> A free standing wood stove does radiate a lot of heat but my guess is that most of the heat still goes up the chimney.
>

Old stoves were 50% efficient on a good day, but now they are about 85%

On Sunday, December 27, 2020 at 11:14:42 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 12/27/2020 3:58 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Sunday, December 27, 2020 at 3:30:05 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> >> On 12/26/2020 10:22 PM, Master Bruce wrote:
> >>> On Sat, 26 Dec 2020 22:11:13 -0500, Dave Smith
> >>> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 2020-12-26 9:53 p.m., Bob wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> When I was younger heating with wood was good exercise and using the
> >>>>> stove to cook at times was fun. Famil room was always nice and warm too.
> >>>>> Not sure how much money I actually saved but at some point I found it
> >>>>> easier to write checks for oil than split and haul wood.
> >>>>
> >>>> Not to mention the problem of most fireplaces sucking all that warm air
> >>>> out of the rest of the house to feed the fire.
> >>>
> >>> So fireplaces make the room colder instead of warmer. Damn, I should
> >>> have known!
> >> A plain fireplace is pretty but quite inefficient for heating. Most of
> >> the heat goes right up the chimney.
> >>
> >> A free standing wood stove does a much better job for heating.
> > A free standing wood stove does radiate a lot of heat but my guess is that most of the heat still goes up the chimney.
> >
> Old stoves were 50% efficient on a good day, but now they are about 85%
I might be wrong but my guess is that a stove won't be getting an 85% percent efficiency rating unless it has refinements such as an outside air intake and/or catalytic converter and/or heat exchangers.

On 12/26/2020 9:11 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2020-12-26 9:53 p.m., Bob wrote:
>> On 12/26/2020 8:46 PM, Leo wrote:
>>
>>>> Nice. There were days using a maul I wished for something like that.
>>>
>>> I have a sledgehammer, a wedge, an axe and something called a wood
>>> grenade in
>>> the garage. The only one of them that I have used in the last thirty
>>> years is
>>> the axe. I found that paying a power bill is more efficient to me
>>> than what
>>> they do.
>>> I also have a five foot by one inch diameter iron rod with a chisel
>>> tip, a
>>> hand winch and a crowbar. What the hell was I thinking?
>>>
>>>
>> When I was younger heating with wood was good exercise and using the
>> stove to cook at times was fun. Famil room was always nice and warm
>> too. Â*Â*Not sure how much money I actually saved but at some point I
>> found it easier to write checks for oil than split and haul wood.
>
> Not to mention the problem of most fireplaces sucking all that warm air
> out of the rest of the house to feed the fire.Â* The house next door had
> an oil furnace but the former owner heated primarily with wood. He had a
> brother who owned a wood lot a few miles from here. He worked steady
> midnights and spent most of his time cutting, splitting and lugging work.
>
> He worked at a GM plant and his wife was a loans officer at a local
> bank, so they were making pretty good money between them and could
> easily afford to pay for oil.
>
>
> The guy who bought the house from him got rid of the wood stove and
> replaced the oil furnace with natural gas. He later sold the house and
> built a place about 250 miles north of here and heats that place. They
> got one of those hi tech exterior units that uses a coolant to transfer
> the heat from the wood powered heater to the house. His wife usually
> comes back this way to visit every christmas, bit he has to stay there
> to feed the fire. She is not very happy with the arrangement.

We heat with wood ... which I cut split and stack with the help of
modern (sorta) technology . BUT we also have a propane (too far out in
the country for natgas to be profitable) heater for those times when we
want to go out of town in the winter . Like the last 3 days that we
spent in Memphis . I only turn the gas heater to about 50° , it's job is
to keep the pipes from freezing . Took almost an hour to warm the house
up (with the wood stove) after we got home !
--
Snag
Illegitimi non
carborundum

On 12/27/2020 4:54 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Sunday, December 27, 2020 at 11:14:42 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 12/27/2020 3:58 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Sunday, December 27, 2020 at 3:30:05 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
>>>> On 12/26/2020 10:22 PM, Master Bruce wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 26 Dec 2020 22:11:13 -0500, Dave Smith
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2020-12-26 9:53 p.m., Bob wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When I was younger heating with wood was good exercise and using the
>>>>>>> stove to cook at times was fun. Famil room was always nice and warm too.
>>>>>>> Not sure how much money I actually saved but at some point I found it
>>>>>>> easier to write checks for oil than split and haul wood.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not to mention the problem of most fireplaces sucking all that warm air
>>>>>> out of the rest of the house to feed the fire.
>>>>>
>>>>> So fireplaces make the room colder instead of warmer. Damn, I should
>>>>> have known!
>>>> A plain fireplace is pretty but quite inefficient for heating. Most of
>>>> the heat goes right up the chimney.
>>>>
>>>> A free standing wood stove does a much better job for heating.
>>> A free standing wood stove does radiate a lot of heat but my guess is that most of the heat still goes up the chimney.
>>>
>> Old stoves were 50% efficient on a good day, but now they are about 85%
> I might be wrong but my guess is that a stove won't be getting an 85% percent efficiency rating unless it has refinements such as an outside air intake and/or catalytic converter and/or heat exchangers.
>
They've been using catalytic converters for about 25 years now.

dsi1 wrote:

> On Sunday, December 27, 2020 at 3:30:05 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> > On 12/26/2020 10:22 PM, Master Bruce wrote:
> > > On Sat, 26 Dec 2020 22:11:13 -0500, Dave Smith
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> On 2020-12-26 9:53 p.m., Bob wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>> When I was younger heating with wood was good exercise and
> > using the >>> stove to cook at times was fun. Famil room was always
> > nice and warm too. >>> Not sure how much money I actually saved
> > but at some point I found it >>> easier to write checks for oil
> > than split and haul wood. >>
> > >> Not to mention the problem of most fireplaces sucking all that
> > warm air >> out of the rest of the house to feed the fire.
> > >
> > > So fireplaces make the room colder instead of warmer. Damn, I
> > > should have known!
> > A plain fireplace is pretty but quite inefficient for heating. Most
> > of the heat goes right up the chimney.
> >
> > A free standing wood stove does a much better job for heating.
> A free standing wood stove does radiate a lot of heat but my guess is
> that most of the heat still goes up the chimney.

No. actually there it heats inside better. I gather cleaning the pipe
is more problematic though.

On 12/27/2020 10:55 AM, cshenk wrote:
> Leo wrote:
>
>> On 2020 Dec 25, , Ed Pawlowski wrote
>> (in article >):
>>
>>> On 12/25/2020 11:21 AM, cshenk wrote:
>>>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MT3S2CK/
>>>>
>>>> Don loves it!
>>>>
>>>> We will keep the manual hydrolic as he likes the exercise but
>>>> this one will be used for larger batches or larger logs. A bit
>>>> ago we gave away possibly 50 logs just over our ability to split
>>>> down but this will handle them.
>>>
>>> Nice. There were days using a maul I wished for something like that.
>>
>> I have a sledgehammer, a wedge, an axe and something called a wood
>> grenade in the garage. The only one of them that I have used in the
>> last thirty years is the axe. I found that paying a power bill is
>> more efficient to me than what they do.
>> I also have a five foot by one inch diameter iron rod with a chisel
>> tip, a hand winch and a crowbar. What the hell was I thinking?
>
> LOL!
>
> Anyways, igoring all the folks who don't have or never have had an
> efficient fireplace and think all the heat 'goes up the chimney'.
>
> We kept the living room and kitchen a nice toasty 78 for 2 days of the
> mid-upper 30's and the side rooms were at 72F. Only the sun room
> needed help and it's the furthest corner fom the fireplace. HVAC
> didn't kick in any except at night when the fire was banked.
>
> I wouldn't want to heat only with it, too much work and would have to
> get up to tend at night. Now we are in a warming trend where it will
> be near 50's or low 60's for a few days.
>
> Meantime, Don is really liking the electric one.
>
I haven't had to get up in the night and feed the stove yet this year
and we've had overnight lows in the low teens .
Some of us elderly folk welcome the exercise that harvesting and
processing firewood gives us . You may think I'm kidding , but I've seen
too many people that retire to the couch and the front porch rocking
chair . And die within a year or two . As long as I can , I will . And
as long as I do , I can . I try to do at least 3-4 hours of "meaningful
work" every day , whether it's processing firewood or making something
out in the shop .
--
Snag
Illegitimi non
carborundum

dsi1 wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> Old stoves were 50% efficient on a good day, but now they are about 85%

> I might be wrong but my guess is that a stove won't be getting an
> 85% percent efficiency rating unless it has refinements such as an
> outside air intake and/or catalytic converter and/or heat exchangers.

Just putting a fan next to a radiant heat stove to circulate air greatly
increases the efficiency.

I once had a very old free standing kerosene heat stove for a small
place. By itself, it heated the living room fairly well but the bedroom
and kitchen remained much colder.

By setting a box fan near it, blowing on it, my entire place stayed
evenly warm just like having central heat.

On Monday, December 28, 2020 at 3:02:06 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
> > Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >> Old stoves were 50% efficient on a good day, but now they are about 85%
>
> > I might be wrong but my guess is that a stove won't be getting an
> > 85% percent efficiency rating unless it has refinements such as an
> > outside air intake and/or catalytic converter and/or heat exchangers.
> Just putting a fan next to a radiant heat stove to circulate air greatly
> increases the efficiency.
>
> I once had a very old free standing kerosene heat stove for a small
> place. By itself, it heated the living room fairly well but the bedroom
> and kitchen remained much colder.
>
> By setting a box fan near it, blowing on it, my entire place stayed
> evenly warm just like having central heat.
My brother-in-law's wood stove worked great when we stayed at his house. A fan might have made it work even better but he never pulled a fan out. He had a high ceiling so I suppose the hot air would go straight to the top of the cabin.

On Mon, 28 Dec 2020 09:42:25 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> wrote:

>On Monday, December 28, 2020 at 3:02:06 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
>> dsi1 wrote:
>> > Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> >> Old stoves were 50% efficient on a good day, but now they are about 85%
>>
>> > I might be wrong but my guess is that a stove won't be getting an
>> > 85% percent efficiency rating unless it has refinements such as an
>> > outside air intake and/or catalytic converter and/or heat exchangers.
>> Just putting a fan next to a radiant heat stove to circulate air greatly
>> increases the efficiency.
>>
>> I once had a very old free standing kerosene heat stove for a small
>> place. By itself, it heated the living room fairly well but the bedroom
>> and kitchen remained much colder.
>>
>> By setting a box fan near it, blowing on it, my entire place stayed
>> evenly warm just like having central heat.
>My brother-in-law's wood stove worked great when we stayed at his house. A fan might have made it work even better but he never pulled a fan out. He had a high ceiling so I suppose the hot air would go straight to the top of the cabin.

Just circulating the pollution. Wood stoves cause emphexema and other
respiratory diseases... there is no health benefit to chopping wood,
burning that wood will kill you the same as smoking tobacco. If you
need exercise ride a bicycle, jump rope, do pushups. Using chopping
firewood as an excuse for exercise is bullshit. I don't even want to
live close to someone with a woodstove, and fortunately I don't. When
we feel like exercising we go ten, fifteen miles on our bikes, or
better we **** for 30 minutes... and at my age I last longer which at
our age my wife greatly appreciates, she takes longer too. Sometimes
all she gets is a couple small squirts, but sometimes she gets a huge
overflowing creampie... we both enjoy the drama. We both enjoy a
great sex life with each other, that's why we're so happily married
for so many years. Long ago we've both concluded that divorse is a
product of a lousy sex life... and not every couple is equaly matched
sexually, but unfortunately they don't find out soon enough.

Sheldon Martin wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Dec 2020 09:42:25 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> > wrote:
>
>> On Monday, December 28, 2020 at 3:02:06 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
>>> dsi1 wrote:
>>>> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>> Old stoves were 50% efficient on a good day, but now they are about 85%
>>>
>>>> I might be wrong but my guess is that a stove won't be getting an
>>>> 85% percent efficiency rating unless it has refinements such as an
>>>> outside air intake and/or catalytic converter and/or heat exchangers.
>>> Just putting a fan next to a radiant heat stove to circulate air greatly
>>> increases the efficiency.
>>>
>>> I once had a very old free standing kerosene heat stove for a small
>>> place. By itself, it heated the living room fairly well but the bedroom
>>> and kitchen remained much colder.
>>>
>>> By setting a box fan near it, blowing on it, my entire place stayed
>>> evenly warm just like having central heat.
>> My brother-in-law's wood stove worked great when we stayed at his house. A fan might have made it work even better but he never pulled a fan out. He had a high ceiling so I suppose the hot air would go straight to the top of the cabin.
>
> Just circulating the pollution. Wood stoves cause emphexema and other
> respiratory diseases... there is no health benefit to chopping wood,
> burning that wood will kill you the same as smoking tobacco. If you
> need exercise ride a bicycle, jump rope, do pushups. Using chopping
> firewood as an excuse for exercise is bullshit. I don't even want to
> live close to someone with a woodstove, and fortunately I don't. When
> we feel like exercising we go ten, fifteen miles on our bikes, or
> better we **** for 30 minutes... and at my age I last longer which at
> our age my wife greatly appreciates, she takes longer too. Sometimes
> all she gets is a couple small squirts, but sometimes she gets a huge
> overflowing creampie... we both enjoy the drama. We both enjoy a
> great sex life with each other, that's why we're so happily married
> for so many years. Long ago we've both concluded that divorse is a
> product of a lousy sex life... and not every couple is equaly matched
> sexually, but unfortunately they don't find out soon enough.
>

Popeye, yoose an expert on everything from wood stoves to creampies
to ****ing old ladies!