Julie Bove wrote:

>
> "Master Bruce" > wrote in message
> news > 2020 10:52:45 -0000, Janet > wrote:
> >
> > > In article >,
> > > says...
> > > > Subject: Cuisine of Tanzania?
> > > > From: Julie Bove >
> > > > Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking
> > > >
> > > >
> >>>"Hank Rogers" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> >>>> [quoted text muted]
> > > > > >
> >>>>> Not expensive. I've only bought a few things. He has two cats.
> Not >>>>> allergic.
> > > > >
> >>>> Just curious ... which tribe in Tanzania does he come from?
> > > >
> > > > I know nothing of tribes. He just said he is from there. He has
> > > > been here for 20 years and has family here.
> > > >
> > >
> > > More to the point, has he left a wife and children back there?
> >
> >
> > That's none of your business, crazy old coot
>
> You know what's funny in a sad sort of way? This post was made about
> food. Wasn't me who veered. Many others took this to nasty land.
>
> Soon it will all be a moot point as I highly doubt I'll put a news
> server on my new computer. And the day I take this one offline will
> be soon.

It has been pretty stupid on the questions.

On 2020 Dec 29, , Gary wrote
(in article >):

> This is why I always defended Trump for not warning everyone to wear
> masks and stay home every chance you get. Not fair to blame him for the
> many deaths in this country. Even if he had done that...still so many
> idiots would have ignored the warnings just like they do now.

As much as the Democrat Party wanted President Trump to enact nationwide
executive orders regarding the social aspect of covid, he didn´t. Anyone
with a modicum of intelligence can either blame the whims of a previously
unknown virus or the governors and mayors in each state. Congress could have
enacted emergency laws. They didn´t.
Nobody wanted to touch covid legislation unless they felt they had to.
True science, something that moves slowly and methodically, is finally making
inroads. There´s a dim light at the end of the tunnel.
Social science, and all the other pseudo-sciences that drive politics, are
blindly fumbling forward, still not knowing sh*t but pretending that they do.
Politicians bleat their nonsense to people who know no better, just as the
politicians don´t.
I´m old. I wear a mask, wash my hands well after going to the grocery store
and social distance. Whether it works or not, it makes sense to me.

On Tue, 29 Dec 2020 17:19:26 -0800, Leo >
wrote:

>As much as the Democrat Party wanted President Trump to enact nationwide
>executive orders regarding the social aspect of covid, he didn´t. Anyone
>with a modicum of intelligence can either blame the whims of a previously
>unknown virus or the governors and mayors in each state. Congress could have
>enacted emergency laws. They didn´t.
>Nobody wanted to touch covid legislation unless they felt they had to.
>True science, something that moves slowly and methodically, is finally making
>inroads. There´s a dim light at the end of the tunnel.
>Social science, and all the other pseudo-sciences that drive politics, are
>blindly fumbling forward, still not knowing sh*t but pretending that they do.
>Politicians bleat their nonsense to people who know no better, just as the
>politicians don´t.
>I´m old. I wear a mask, wash my hands well after going to the grocery store
>and social distance. Whether it works or not, it makes sense to me.

So you're smarter than your president. Next time, you might consider
voting for a president who's as smart as you.

On Tue, 29 Dec 2020 16:27:51 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:


>> No wonder you laugh at stupid Americans. So many of us are.
>>
>> This is why I always defended Trump for not warning everyone to wear masks
>> and stay home every chance you get. Not fair to blame him for the many
>> deaths in this country. Even if he had done that...still so many idiots
>> would have ignored the warnings just like they do now.
>>
>> In a fair world, it's the idiots that ignore the warnings that should be
>> the ones that die, not the "collateral damage" that they cause by
>> spreading the virus.
>
> Right. Personally I don't think the masks do a damned bit of good. One of my
> Drs. said he found that people were wearing worn out ones with holes or even
> poking holes in them so they could breathe better. I do wear them though.
> Not going to risk being punched or shot at.

GAWD! You really are incredibly stupid!!!! You really are QAninny fodder!

Leo wrote:
> On 2020 Dec 29, , Gary wrote
> (in article >):
> > This is why I always defended Trump for not warning everyone to wear
> > masks and stay home every chance you get. Not fair to blame him for the
> > many deaths in this country. Even if he had done that...still so many
> > idiots would have ignored the warnings just like they do now.
> As much as the Democrat Party wanted President Trump to enact nationwide
> executive orders regarding the social aspect of covid, he didn´t. Anyone
> with a modicum of intelligence can either blame the whims of a previously
> unknown virus or the governors and mayors in each state. Congress could have
> enacted emergency laws. They didn´t.
> Nobody wanted to touch covid legislation unless they felt they had to.
> True science, something that moves slowly and methodically, is finally making
> inroads. There´s a dim light at the end of the tunnel.
> Social science, and all the other pseudo-sciences that drive politics, are
> blindly fumbling forward, still not knowing sh*t but pretending that they do.
> Politicians bleat their nonsense to people who know no better, just as the
> politicians don´t.
> I´m old. I wear a mask, wash my hands well after going to the grocery store
> and social distance. Whether it works or not, it makes sense to me.


Well said...

And as far as "blaming" for Covid deaths, we can start right off with the likes of NY Governor Cuomo, who has blood on his hands for his debacle of Covid patients in nursing homes...

This first link is from Pro Publica, a liberal group; the second link after is from a NY Times reporter, her father died in one of the NY nursing homes, her words are very powerful:

"ProPublica is a nonprofit newsroom that investigates abuses of power. Sign up to receive our biggest stories as soon as theyre published..."

https://www.propublica.org/article/n...ed-in-new-york

Not Mentioned in Cuomos Coronavirus Book: How Many Nursing Home Residents Died in New York

by Joe Sexton Oct. 23, 10:25 a.m. EDT

Cuomos new book on leadership, published as the pandemic continues to ravage America, touts his willingness to speak hard truths about the pandemic. Why then has he still not said how many nursing home residents perished on his watch?

"New York Gov. Andrew Cuomos latest book, €œAmerican Crisis: Leadership Lessons From the COVID-19 Pandemic,€� went on sale this month. Its publisher has hailed the governors courageous honesty.

€œReal leadership, he shows, requires clear communication, compassion for others, and a commitment to truth-telling €” no matter how frightening the facts may be,€� one bit of advertising for the book reads.

Heres one hard truth Cuomo has still yet to tell: how many New York nursing home residents have died of COVID-19.

Nine months into the pandemic, and three months after his health commissioner testified that he was hard at work counting nursing home deaths, Cuomo has not announced the grim total.

€œThe governor has time, in the middle of a pandemic, to write a book on the COVID-19 crisis, but after months of delay he has not delivered on his word to provide the legislature with the accurate numbers of nursing home deaths,€� said Ron Kim, a Democratic state legislator from Queens. €œAs a result, we are squandering away an opportunity to demonstrate how his government can be there to respond to this crisis.€�

To date, Cuomo has only publicly acknowledged nursing home residents who died of COVID-19 inside their residences, some 6,500 people. While other states have all along combined those deaths with those of nursing home residents who died at hospitals, and made those totals public, New York has not.

....

The question of nursing home deaths has dogged Cuomo virtually since the outbreak of the pandemic. He announced that protecting the states roughly 600 facilities was his top priority. But under a policy he enacted in late March, more than 6,400 patients sick with COVID-19 were sent from hospitals to nursing homes without being tested to see if they were still contagious.

The policy was adopted out of a fear that hospitals would become overwhelmed during the initial surge of infections and deaths. As a result, the policy allowed patients deemed €œmedically stable€� to be sent to nursing home facilities.

The policy enraged families, home administrators, epidemiologists and politicians of both major parties. Historically, nursing homes have struggled to limit outbreaks of infectious disease, in part because they have large staffs that come and go and often work at other facilities. Admitting sick COVID-19 patients, to many, seemed a needless added risk.

.....

He (Cuomo) writes that the states efforts to better protect the homes were undermined by how widely the virus had spread even early on and how limited the state was in its ability to conduct aggressive testing of staff and residents. He writes that criticism of his performance on nursing homes was the organized and cynical work of Republicans looking to avoid accountability for their own failures in the face of the crisis.

In October, ProPublica asked the Health Department to account for the time the count was taking.

Cuomo, in his book, was as he has been in public €” withering in his criticism of President Donald Trump and his administration. He portrays the administration as ignorant, incompetent, dishonest and more concerned with public relations spin than saving lives.

His administration was different.

€œDonald Trump did not have the only microphone,€� Cuomo wrote. €œI had one, too. And I had something else €” credibility.€�

So far, Cuomo has not used that microphone to deliver the hard truth of the states tragic loss of life..."


----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


https://www.propublica.org/article/c...ce-to-save-him

Coronavirus Entered My Fathers Nursing Home and Nobody Warned Me. I Did Not Get the Chance to Save Him.

Reporter Jan Ransoms father was the fourth resident of his nursing home to get COVID-19. Nobody told her about the first, so she couldnt move him before he got sick. €œI think thats very unfair,€� her father told her a week before he died.

by Jan Ransom for ProPublica April 21, 6 a.m. EDT

....

"...Shortly after being admitted to the hospital, he tested positive for COVID-19. Hours later, I called the nursing home to alert the staff. A nursing home staffer told me that my father was not the first resident to test positive. He was the fourth. I was stunned.

Im a reporter for The New York Times and have been covering the pandemics impact on New York City jails, including Rikers Island, and the states prison system.

Other journalists at the Times and elsewhere have been writing about the toll the virus was taking on nursing homes, killing hundreds of residents and infecting thousands more. As I read those harrowing stories, my dad was never far from my thoughts.

After realizing my dads nursing home had left me in the dark, I started to make some calls. I thought about my fathers roommate and the families of other residents at the facility who were unaware of the storm brewing inside.

I was certain I should have been alerted that the virus had been detected in the home they shared. I was wrong.

When I called the state Department of Health to complain on my familys behalf, I was informed that nursing homes in New York €” the epicenter of the crisis in the United States €” were not obligated to tell families when the virus is detected in other residents.

€œGuidelines require nursing home operators to notify a residents family of illness, they do not require notification to relatives of other residents,€� a Department of Health spokesman later said in a statement.

That left me even more puzzled, and not just as a daughter but as a journalist. So I emailed the state asking if the agency was weighing whether to change the policy in response to the growing crisis..."

</>

On 12/29/2020 7:54 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> The last guy wasn't even the guy with the cat allergy. But both of those
> two put in zero effort as far as I'm concerned. The last one started out
> well, giving me roses on our first date. If you can call it a date. We
> had to meet in the Central Market parking lot as so much is closed here.
>
Do you have any idea how that sounds? So much is closed there, you had
to meet some guy in the Central Market parking lot for your first date.
In the middle of a pandemic. And ooh, he brought supermarket roses!

> Would you continue on with a guy who dropped out of your life for three
> months, then came back said, "You're probably pretty mad at me..."

No.

> Or
> another who you haven't seen in person for two months, makes no effort
> to see you, but every 2-3 weeks, sends a "Wyd?" message.

No.

> They've had
> enough chances. Cat allergy guy is trying to get me back now. Nope.
> Don't need that.
>
I've had more than one man try to get back into my life. That was after
having had actual (in person) relationships that lasted several years.
Amicable break-ups. It sounds like you're bouncing around with online
guys trying to find someone to fill a vacancy.

> New guy made promises to me at the start and so far has kept all of them.
>
Promises? What kind of promises? It would never occur to me to ask for
promises at the start of a new relationship. I would, however, ask the
guy what kind of food he likes to eat.

> I know people here are going to make all sorts of things out of this.
> Nothing I can do about that. That's the way you are.

You put it out there, I replied. That's the way I am.

Jill

On 2020 Dec 29, , Master Bruce wrote
(in >):

> So you're smarter than your president. Next time, you might consider
> voting for a president who's as smart as you.

Good Lord Bruce, that would be impossible. Have you learned nothing under my
tutelage?

On 12/29/2020 8:19 PM, Leo wrote:
> I´m old. I wear a mask, wash my hands well after going to the grocery store
> and social distance. Whether it works or not, it makes sense to me.

Makes sense to me, too, Leo. Discussing politics and pointing political
fingers at this point is useless. Covid-19 doesn't care about the election.

Jill

On Tue, 29 Dec 2020 21:09:23 -0500, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 12/29/2020 8:19 PM, Leo wrote:
>> I´m old. I wear a mask, wash my hands well after going to the grocery store
>> and social distance. Whether it works or not, it makes sense to me.
>
>Makes sense to me, too, Leo. Discussing politics and pointing political
>fingers at this point is useless. Covid-19 doesn't care about the election.

Nevertheless, at least in the US, right-wingers tend to be covid
spreaders.

Julie Bove wrote:

>
> "cshenk" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Sqwertz wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun, 27 Dec 2020 21:22:26 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
> > >
> >>> "cshenk" > wrote in message
> >>> ...
> >>>> Sqwertz wrote:
> >>> >
> >>>>> On Sat, 26 Dec 2020 20:16:40 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
> >>> > >
> >>>>> > some kind of cooked greens or a salad that's very similar to
> >>>>> > Pico De Gallo.
> >>> > >
> >>>>> Say WHAT!?!?
> >>> > >
> >>>>> You have the worst Google on earth.
> >>> > >
> >>>>> -sw
> >>> >
> >>>> No, actually I saw that too. Both are served with Ugali, which I
> >>>> referenced as the cornmeal sort of mush made to a ball.
> > > >
> >>> Yes. I did order the flour for the Ugali. The greens are usually
> >>> Kale or Collard but sometimes Spinach.
> > >
> > > Aren't you on a severely limited budget, but now supporting two
> > > mooches?
> > >
> > > News Flash: You're not his only victim.
> > >
> > > -0sw
> >
> > Steve, if you scratch cook, a few extra shelf stable items that fit
> > close to her own uses, is not very expensive. Her budget isn't that
> > limited.
> >
> > Scratch cooks feed families at 1/3 to 1/2 the cost of folks who
> > can't (or don't) actually cook. Example: I make bread at 47cents
> > per 1lb loaf. It's not only better than store crap, I can vary it
> > for a few more cents more but even my most expensive ones are way
> > cheaper than store versions.
> >
> > I don't do it for cost, but because I like to cook. I of course
> > notice the cost is less because it's hard to not notice when others
> > mention it costs them 100$ a week to feed 1 adult... That's insane.
>
> My food tastes tend towards cheap to begin with. Beans, rice,
> vegetables in season.

I'm with ya in understanding. My cooking is more Asian influnced but
there's plenty of other things and rices and beans are a good bit of
it. We just like them!


> I put carrots, onions and celery in most things

French trinity or something like that? I seem to recall that's a bit of
how many recipes there go.


> and bell peppers too if they are cheap. They're not cheap now. I just

I get 2 smallish green bell peppers for 1.29 at Harris Teeter, 'sale
that never ends'. Best though is most years I container garden enough
to have them much of the growing season.

> got a big can of dried red and green mixed from Augston (sp?) Farms.
> I prefer to buy the red and green separately but my long time source
> stopped making them and these were inexpensive. I also have a bag of
> frozen, mixed strips.I got some dried on clearance at Walmart online
> that have an orange color. I seem to have to use twice as much as
> they don't have a lot of flavor. It's a small bag and mostly gone now.

Works!

For me, add potatoes, cabbage, mustard greens, broccoli etc. and a lot
of seafood. Other meats sure, but not that much.


> When Angela and I were here alone, I spent $130 a week at Winco, but
> that included paper and cleaning supplies, magazines and books,
> school supplies, seeds and plants, cat stuff, vitamins, batteries and
> what not.

Reasonable.


> I rarely get any coupons these days. She still shops the way I taught
> her. Look for the coupon item first, then compare the price to the
> others. If not cheaper then get something else unless you really want
> that particular brand. Next, look for sale and marked down signs.
> Again, compare the price to others. Don't assume it is cheaper. If
> it's way cheaper and you know you like it, stock up. Always keep
> extra things you like.

Same here. Came from when money was tight in our lean years. I still
sometimes coupon shop, but more for pure fun.

> There are some things each of us are picky about. I won't drink Pepsi
> no matter the price.She only likes red bell peppers. She only eats
> whole grain bread.

LOL, we won't eat any regular crackers but saltines. Cream of Mushroom
if canned, has to be campbells. Acme for creamed herring please!

Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Gary" > wrote in message
> ...
>> jmcquown wrote:
>> > The only African
>>> food I've had was some really nice homemade Ethoipian Injera
>>> bread with
>>> a nicely spiced lamb and vegetable stew.* Delicious!
>>
>> I've had Ethiopian lunch here a few times. Generally known as
>> "fasting" here in Virginia.
>
> Ethiopian cuisine is not the same as Tanzanian.

Yep, and each tribe in tanzania cooks up different vittles.

On 2020-12-29 8:57 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
> On 12/29/2020 7:54 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> The last guy wasn't even the guy with the cat allergy. But both of
>> those two put in zero effort as far as I'm concerned. The last one
>> started out well, giving me roses on our first date. If you can call
>> it a date. We had to meet in the Central Market parking lot as so much
>> is closed here.
>>
> Do you have any idea how that sounds?Â* So much is closed there, you had
> to meet some guy in the Central Market parking lot for your first date.
> Â*In the middle of a pandemic.Â* And ooh, he brought supermarket roses!

Maybe he was actually inviting her to his place.... the car he lives in.
>

Master Bruce wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Dec 2020 17:19:26 -0800, Leo >
> wrote:
>
>> As much as the Democrat Party wanted President Trump to enact nationwide
>> executive orders regarding the social aspect of covid, he didn´t. Anyone
>> with a modicum of intelligence can either blame the whims of a previously
>> unknown virus or the governors and mayors in each state. Congress could have
>> enacted emergency laws. They didn´t.
>> Nobody wanted to touch covid legislation unless they felt they had to.
>> True science, something that moves slowly and methodically, is finally making
>> inroads. There´s a dim light at the end of the tunnel.
>> Social science, and all the other pseudo-sciences that drive politics, are
>> blindly fumbling forward, still not knowing sh*t but pretending that they do.
>> Politicians bleat their nonsense to people who know no better, just as the
>> politicians don´t.
>> I´m old. I wear a mask, wash my hands well after going to the grocery store
>> and social distance. Whether it works or not, it makes sense to me.
>
> So you're smarter than your president. Next time, you might consider
> voting for a president who's as smart as you.
>

Druce for president!

jmcquown wrote:
> On 12/29/2020 7:54 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> The last guy wasn't even the guy with the cat allergy. But both
>> of those two put in zero effort as far as I'm concerned. The last
>> one started out well, giving me roses on our first date. If you
>> can call it a date. We had to meet in the Central Market parking
>> lot as so much is closed here.
>>
> Do you have any idea how that sounds?* So much is closed there, you
> had to meet some guy in the Central Market parking lot for your
> first date. *In the middle of a pandemic.* And ooh, he brought
> supermarket roses!
>
>> Would you continue on with a guy who dropped out of your life for
>> three months, then came back said, "You're probably pretty mad at
>> me..."
>
> No.
>
>> Or another who you haven't seen in person for two months, makes
>> no effort to see you, but every 2-3 weeks, sends a "Wyd?" message.
>
> No.
>
>> They've had enough chances. Cat allergy guy is trying to get me
>> back now. Nope. Don't need that.
>>
> I've had more than one man try to get back into my life.* That was
> after having had actual (in person) relationships that lasted
> several years. Amicable break-ups.* It sounds like you're bouncing
> around with online guys trying to find someone to fill a vacancy.
>
>> New guy made promises to me at the start and so far has kept all
>> of them.
>>
> Promises?* What kind of promises?* It would never occur to me to
> ask for promises at the start of a new relationship.* I would,
> however, ask the guy what kind of food he likes to eat.
>
>> I know people here are going to make all sorts of things out of
>> this. Nothing I can do about that. That's the way you are.
>
> You put it out there, I replied.* That's the way I am.
>
> Jill

Cue master druce ...

On 12/29/2020 8:01 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 12/28/2020 12:44 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> " > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Friday, December 25, 2020 at 8:50:29 PM UTC-5,
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Yes, I will research this online.
>>>>
>>>> Etc.
>>>>
>>>> And I thought, "Cool! I know quite a bit about Tanzanian cuisine,
>>>> including home-cooking, street/fast, and restaurant food. Personal
>>>> experiences. I'll be happy to share what I know and I look forward
>>>> to a discussion about it!"
>>>>
>>>> But of course, this being RFC in 2020, the thread immediately took a
>>>> dive into the sewer and stayed there.
>>>>
>>>> Jesus F'ing Christ, people.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Silvar Beitel
>>>
>>> I would appreciate the discussion. I know there used to be an African
>>> poster here. Carol? I think. Haven't seen a post from her in a while.
>>
>> Are you thinking of Chatty Cathy?Â* The woman who participated in chat
>> and used to post fun RFC survey questions here?Â* She wasn't "African".
>
> Ah yes! I thought she lived in Africa.

She lives in South Africa, which is a country on the continent of Africa
which was once a Dutch and also a British colony.

Your guy might like this:

http://www.recfoodcooking.org/sigs/C...n%20Satay.html

You'd have to cook it on a braii.

Jill

Jill

On 12/29/2020 8:00 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 12/27/2020 5:13 PM, wrote:
>>> On Friday, December 25, 2020 at 8:50:29 PM UTC-5,
>>> wrote:
>>>> Yes, I will research this online.
>>>
>>> Etc.
>>>
>>> And I thought, "Cool!Â* I know quite a bit about Tanzanian cuisine,
>>> including home-cooking, street/fast, and restaurant food.Â* Personal
>>> experiences.Â* I'll be happy to share what I know and I look forward
>>> to a discussion about it!"
>>>
>>> But of course, this being RFC in 2020, the thread immediately took a
>>> dive into the sewer and stayed there.
>>>
>>> Jesus F'ing Christ, people.
>>>
>> Please do tell her about it, Silvar.
>>
>> I would love to see some of those Tanzania recipes.Â* The only African
>> food I've had was some really nice homemade Ethoipian Injera bread
>> with a nicely spiced lamb and vegetable stew.Â* Delicious!
>>
>> Julie is trying to impress someonw she barely knows.Â* Her last
>> "boyfriend" was allergic to cats.Â* This is a new guy.Â* Gotta wonder
>> where she's finding them during a pandemic lockdown.
>
> I found who I refer to as "The Three Amigos" on the Facebook dating app.
> D. found me on Plenty Of Fish. I reactivated my account because I was
> bored and thought I'd find someone to talk to. I did. A guy whose dad
> worked with my dad. I found him to be boring though. Then D. contacted
> me. We met the next day in a parking lot. Again, because so few places
> were open. We hit it off right away. Lots of stuff in common. He has two
> cats. Great personality. Makes me laugh. I make him laugh. Couldn't be
> better.
>
> Yes, there is a pandemic but... People who are married or live with
> their BF/GF can see their other half every day. Kind of un fair to the
> rest of us who are supposed to stay home and see no one. I got sick of
> it. People aren't meant to be hermits.

Some of us are comfortable enough to not need constant company. I talk
with my SO on the phone at least once a day. I enjoy solice in reading
and having my cat curl up next to me while I do so. I enjoy watching
and feeding birds. I take surveys. I watch silly movies on TV. I cook
whatever I want to when I feel like and don't need to have someone else
there to approve the ingredients.

I sure as hell don't feel like I need to be out meeting and greeting
strangers in parking lots hoping for a bouquet of roses the middle of a
pandemic. That's just sad.

Jill

On 2020 Dec 29, , GM wrote
(in >):

> And as far as "blaming" for Covid deaths, we can start right off with the
> likes of NY Governor Cuomo, who has blood on his hands for his debacle of
> Covid patients in nursing homes...

Let´s not forget how Cuomo railed about a lack of ventilators and the
possibility of running out of hospital rooms. President Trump booted
ventilator production up so quickly that it became a nonissue for the World
in a month or so. Then he immediately sent a hospital ship to NYC. Cuomo
thanked him publicly but never used the ship for even one patient.
Using the ship would have aided President Trump politically, and Cuomo
couldn´t have that. Maybe it was the dope who pretends to run NYC who
refused to use the ship. Maybe it was both of them. I don´t care, but it
happened. One can look it up if they have a short memory.

On 2020 Dec 29, , jmcquown wrote
(in article >):

> Makes sense to me, too, Leo. Discussing politics and pointing political
> fingers at this point is useless. Covid-19 doesn't care about the election.

Damn! I just went on a rant. I couldn´t help myself, but you´re
right.

leo

On 2020 Dec 29, , Master Bruce wrote
(in >):

> Nevertheless, at least in the US, right-wingers tend to be covid
> spreaders.

Cite a non-leftist publication that states that.

On 2020 Dec 29, , cshenk wrote
(in >):

> French trinity or something like that? I seem to recall that's a bit of
> how many recipes there go.

I like it! That´s easier to say than mirror paw.

Julie Bove wrote:

>
> "cshenk" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Julie Bove wrote:
> >
> > >
> >>"cshenk" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> >>> Sqwertz wrote:
> > > >
> >>> > On Sat, 26 Dec 2020 20:16:40 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
> >>> >
> >>>>> some kind of cooked greens or a salad that's very similar to
> >>>>> Pico De Gallo.
> >>> >
> >>> > Say WHAT!?!?
> >>> >
> >>> > You have the worst Google on earth.
> >>> >
> >>> > -sw
> > > >
> >>> No, actually I saw that too. Both are served with Ugali, which I
> >>> referenced as the cornmeal sort of mush made to a ball.
> > >
> > > Yes. I did order the flour for the Ugali. The greens are usually
> > > Kale or Collard but sometimes Spinach.
> >
> > I saw. If you were here, I could have pointed you to 3 places that
> > have the right flour at a good price. We have a big hispanic
> > element and no, few are actually from Mexico (but some are).
> >
> > <referring to Steve below>
> >>> Did you even try looking up foods from there or are you just
> >>> assuming?
> > >
> > > He must be assuming.
> >
> > I'd say so. I think he's not used to you googling as it's not
> > mentioned often but obviously you do like everone else.
> >
> >
> > > I didn't find a lot of stuff online for this. But I was mainly
> > > trying to figure out what source of heat he might want when he
> > > said he wanted to add heat to the dish. I didn't even realize
> > > that I had the chile/garlic sauce when he asked. I don't remember
> > > buying it. I do have asst. Mexican type salsas but the food he
> > > had came from an Asian/Indian fusion type place some I don't
> > > think that would have worked.
> >
> > It is a different 'heat' yes. Most of my peeks didn't lead to
> > 'bland' when you combined to a meal. It seemed there was always
> > something that was fairly 'hot' in the mix.
> >
> > Did you catch much on lentils in your looks? I saw a few so that
> > might be wortch looking into since often handy at your place. They
> > cook quick.
>
> I saw bweans but not lentils. I would assume the Dal type of lentils
> might be eaten. I have only done maybe an hour of research. I will
> look more later.

Thats what I saw. Dhal or like enough to it.


> > Want me to pass some possibles there? I'm looking up recipes close
> > to that anyways for me so it's just saving a link of any that might
> > be of interest.
>
> Thanks!

Ok! Too late tonight but I've been looking at them for a fun variation
for us.

BTW, I see it as Dhal and Dal, not sure if both are right or just one.

> My flour arrived today. My friend in Canada said it is Maize
> flour and not corn. I always assumed that maize and corn were the
> same. He said they are not. He's my biggest cooking expert but he's
> not familiar with this type of food.

I'll check. Could be some places distinct them as different. Meantime,
bed for me.

On 12/29/2020 10:17 PM, Leo wrote:
> On 2020 Dec 29, , cshenk wrote
> (in >):
>
>> French trinity or something like that? I seem to recall that's a bit of
>> how many recipes there go.
>
> I like it! That´s easier to say than mirror paw.
>
>
LOLOL! Easier to spell, too.

Jill

On 12/29/2020 9:16 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2020-12-29 8:57 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>> On 12/29/2020 7:54 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> The last guy wasn't even the guy with the cat allergy. But both of
>>> those two put in zero effort as far as I'm concerned. The last one
>>> started out well, giving me roses on our first date. If you can call
>>> it a date. We had to meet in the Central Market parking lot as so
>>> much is closed here.
>>>
>> Do you have any idea how that sounds?Â* So much is closed there, you
>> had to meet some guy in the Central Market parking lot for your first
>> date. Â*Â*In the middle of a pandemic.Â* And ooh, he brought supermarket
>> roses!
>
> Maybe he was actually inviting her to his place.... the car he lives in.
>>
LOL but he brought roses!

Jill

On Tue, 29 Dec 2020 19:05:57 -0800, Leo >
wrote:

>On 2020 Dec 29, , Master Bruce wrote
>(in >):
>
>> Nevertheless, at least in the US, right-wingers tend to be covid
>> spreaders.
>
>Cite a non-leftist publication that states that.

The majority of people who walk around without a face mask, are
right-wingers. The Liberty/Amendment fanatics are right-wingers. The
QAnon ramblers are right wingers. There's a lot of mental illness and
delusion among right wingers.

On Tue, 29 Dec 2020 19:04:42 -0800, Leo >
wrote:

>On 2020 Dec 29, , jmcquown wrote
>(in article >):
>
>> Makes sense to me, too, Leo. Discussing politics and pointing political
>> fingers at this point is useless. Covid-19 doesn't care about the election.
>
>Damn! I just went on a rant. I couldn´t help myself, but you´re
>right.

Covid is a very political topic, especially in the US. Maybe
right-wingers don't mind dying as much. They're only right-wingers,
after all.

On 12/29/2020 9:58 PM, Leo wrote:
> On 2020 Dec 29, , GM wrote
> (in >):
>
>> And as far as "blaming" for Covid deaths, we can start right off with the
>> likes of NY Governor Cuomo, who has blood on his hands for his debacle of
>> Covid patients in nursing homes...
>
> Let´s not forget how Cuomo railed about a lack of ventilators and the
> possibility of running out of hospital rooms. President Trump booted
> ventilator production up so quickly that it became a nonissue for the World
> in a month or so. Then he immediately sent a hospital ship to NYC. Cuomo
> thanked him publicly but never used the ship for even one patient.
> Using the ship would have aided President Trump politically, and Cuomo
> couldn´t have that. Maybe it was the dope who pretends to run NYC who
> refused to use the ship. Maybe it was both of them. I don´t care, but it
> happened. One can look it up if they have a short memory.
>
>

I did. The ship was used but very little. You could not take a patient
in an ambulance there directly. Looks like it was good intentions but
not the right tool for the job. Sounds like it was a decision made by a
politician instead of a medical expert. It did not work well in Puerto
Rico either.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/n...s-comfort.html

also
https://news.usni.org/2020/04/27/hos...g-182-patients

Medical teams aboard Comfort, which last month quickly activated and
deployed from Norfolk, Va., treated a total of 182 patients over a
three-and-a-half week period in support of the domestic coronavirus
mission intended to ease pressures on local hospitals. That was far
fewer than public assumptions and expectations for the floating
1,000-bed hospital, which arrived just as the New York City region saw
surges in infections and patients requiring intensive-care-level treatment.

On Tue, 29 Dec 2020 20:18:04 -0600, Hank Rogers wrote:

> Druce for president!

He's the US president in my failed e-book, Hank.

On 2020 Dec 29, , Master Bruce wrote
(in >):

> On Tue, 29 Dec 2020 19:05:57 -0800, >
> wrote:
>
> > On 2020 Dec 29, , Master Bruce wrote
> > (in >):
> >
> > > Nevertheless, at least in the US, right-wingers tend to be covid
> > > spreaders.
> >
> > Cite a non-leftist publication that states that.
>
> The majority of people who walk around without a face mask, are
> right-wingers. The Liberty/Amendment fanatics are right-wingers. The
> QAnon ramblers are right wingers. There's a lot of mental illness and
> delusion among right wingers.

So you can´t produce anything but your opinion. What´s that
worth?

On 2020 Dec 29, , Master Bruce wrote
(in >):

> Covid is a very political topic, especially in the US. Maybe
> right-wingers don't mind dying as much. They're only right-wingers,
> after all.

Covid should only be a medical topic. You sound like a parrot.
Right-wing!Right-wing! Awk! Right-wing! Awk!

On 2020 Dec 29, , Ed Pawlowski wrote
(in article >):

> Medical teams aboard Comfort, which last month quickly activated and
> deployed from Norfolk, Va., treated a total of 182 patients over a
> three-and-a-half week period in support of the domestic coronavirus
> mission intended to ease pressures on local hospitals. That was far
> fewer than public assumptions and expectations for the floating
> 1,000-bed hospital, which arrived just as the New York City region saw
> surges in infections and patients requiring intensive-care-level treatment.

I´ll be damned. I didn´t think anyone made it. So there were only 818
beds available when elderly covid patients were shoveled into nursing homes.
It seems the Comfort sailed into a sea of red tape, local, state and
national.
Red tape is what bureaucrats produce best.

On Tue, 29 Dec 2020 21:42:38 -0800, Leo >
wrote:

>On 2020 Dec 29, , Master Bruce wrote
>(in >):
>
>> On Tue, 29 Dec 2020 19:05:57 -0800, >
>> wrote:
>>
>> > On 2020 Dec 29, , Master Bruce wrote
>> > (in >):
>> >
>> > > Nevertheless, at least in the US, right-wingers tend to be covid
>> > > spreaders.
>> >
>> > Cite a non-leftist publication that states that.
>>
>> The majority of people who walk around without a face mask, are
>> right-wingers. The Liberty/Amendment fanatics are right-wingers. The
>> QAnon ramblers are right wingers. There's a lot of mental illness and
>> delusion among right wingers.
>
>So you can´t produce anything but your opinion. What´s that
>worth?

Is there anything more priceless?

On Tue, 29 Dec 2020 21:46:44 -0800, Leo >
wrote:

>On 2020 Dec 29, , Master Bruce wrote
>(in >):
>
>> Covid is a very political topic, especially in the US. Maybe
>> right-wingers don't mind dying as much. They're only right-wingers,
>> after all.
>
>Covid should only be a medical topic.

I agree that it should be. But you can't deny that it has become very
political in your country. In my countries the left and the right
pretty much agree with what their governments are doing. It's mainly
the kooks from both sides who disagree.

(I realise that you might never read this.)

"Hank Rogers" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>> I believe very little that the mainstream media reports.
>
> Do you believe it if trump tweets it?

I've used Twitter maybe three times.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 12/29/2020 7:29 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 12/27/2020 6:29 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>>> Sqwertz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 27 Dec 2020 13:39:07 -0600, cshenk wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sqwertz wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Get lost Steve. LOTS of people have to piecemeal more than 1 job
>>>>>> today.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> His 3rd is apt to be some sort of on demand seasonal sort that fits
>>>>>> in on the edges of the 2.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you sure about that or just guessing like me? (rhetorical
>>>>> question)
>>>>>
>>>>> -sw
>>>>
>>>> Lots of people don't live in a hole in the ground and know how things
>>>> are for the younger generations. You might find it interesting to wake
>>>> up and look around.
>>>>
>>> Younger generations? Julie is 61. You appear to be assuming Julie's "new
>>> guy" is a lot younger than she is.
>>
>> He's 56. So close to my age.
>
> Thus, in this context, Carol's statement about "younger generations"
> doesn't really mean anything.

Right.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 12/29/2020 7:54 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> The last guy wasn't even the guy with the cat allergy. But both of those
>> two put in zero effort as far as I'm concerned. The last one started out
>> well, giving me roses on our first date. If you can call it a date. We
>> had to meet in the Central Market parking lot as so much is closed here.
>>
> Do you have any idea how that sounds? So much is closed there, you had to
> meet some guy in the Central Market parking lot for your first date. In
> the middle of a pandemic. And ooh, he brought supermarket roses!

I didn't say they were supermarket roses. I have no clue where they came
from. I don't care how it sounds. We were supposed to meet to look at
plants, but that didn't happen because they had precious few plants.

>> Would you continue on with a guy who dropped out of your life for three
>> months, then came back said, "You're probably pretty mad at me..."
>
> No.
>
>> Or another who you haven't seen in person for two months, makes no effort
>> to see you, but every 2-3 weeks, sends a "Wyd?" message.
>
> No.
>
>> They've had enough chances. Cat allergy guy is trying to get me back now.
>> Nope. Don't need that.
>>
> I've had more than one man try to get back into my life. That was after
> having had actual (in person) relationships that lasted several years.
> Amicable break-ups. It sounds like you're bouncing around with online
> guys trying to find someone to fill a vacancy.
>
>> New guy made promises to me at the start and so far has kept all of them.
>>
> Promises? What kind of promises? It would never occur to me to ask for
> promises at the start of a new relationship. I would, however, ask the
> guy what kind of food he likes to eat.

I didn't ask for anything. Our first date was 3.5 hours long and was all
talking. Food did not come up except for my mentioning that I was stopping
at Taco Time on the way home. We mostly talked about what we wanted in a
relationship. Really, what we talked about was between the two of us.
>
>> I know people here are going to make all sorts of things out of this.
>> Nothing I can do about that. That's the way you are.
>
> You put it out there, I replied. That's the way I am.
>
> Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 12/29/2020 9:16 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2020-12-29 8:57 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 12/29/2020 7:54 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>> The last guy wasn't even the guy with the cat allergy. But both of
>>>> those two put in zero effort as far as I'm concerned. The last one
>>>> started out well, giving me roses on our first date. If you can call it
>>>> a date. We had to meet in the Central Market parking lot as so much is
>>>> closed here.
>>>>
>>> Do you have any idea how that sounds? So much is closed there, you had
>>> to meet some guy in the Central Market parking lot for your first date.
>>> In the middle of a pandemic. And ooh, he brought supermarket roses!
>>
>> Maybe he was actually inviting her to his place.... the car he lives in.
>>>
> LOL but he brought roses!

No, he didn't. That was the one before him.

On 2020 Dec 29, , Master Bruce wrote
(in >):

> I agree that it should be. But you can't deny that it has become very
> political in your country. In my countries the left and the right
> pretty much agree with what their governments are doing. It's mainly
> the kooks from both sides who disagree.

It´s a shame that we are where we are. Both sides are to blame. I can´t
foresee a solution. My social, culinary and political thoughts haven´t
changed a whit since 1970, so you know where I stand.

> (I realise that you might never read this.)

I´m hanging in there for the time being, but I´ve been up for 17 hours,
and I´m old. I could blink out at any time and in any way

On Tue, 29 Dec 2020 23:13:03 -0800, Leo >
wrote:

>On 2020 Dec 29, , Master Bruce wrote
>(in >):
>
>> I agree that it should be. But you can't deny that it has become very
>> political in your country. In my countries the left and the right
>> pretty much agree with what their governments are doing. It's mainly
>> the kooks from both sides who disagree.
>
>It´s a shame that we are where we are. Both sides are to blame. I can´t
>foresee a solution. My social, culinary and political thoughts haven´t
>changed a whit since 1970, so you know where I stand.

Hopefully, vaccines are the solution. But then you get kooks who'll
refuse it. Anyway, that's alright if they can't infect people who've
taken it.

>> (I realise that you might never read this.)
>
>I´m hanging in there for the time being, but I´ve been up for 17 hours,
>and I´m old. I could blink out at any time and in any way

Under 80 is young these days

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 12/29/2020 8:00 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 12/27/2020 5:13 PM, wrote:
>>>> On Friday, December 25, 2020 at 8:50:29 PM UTC-5,
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Yes, I will research this online.
>>>>
>>>> Etc.
>>>>
>>>> And I thought, "Cool! I know quite a bit about Tanzanian cuisine,
>>>> including home-cooking, street/fast, and restaurant food. Personal
>>>> experiences. I'll be happy to share what I know and I look forward to a
>>>> discussion about it!"
>>>>
>>>> But of course, this being RFC in 2020, the thread immediately took a
>>>> dive into the sewer and stayed there.
>>>>
>>>> Jesus F'ing Christ, people.
>>>>
>>> Please do tell her about it, Silvar.
>>>
>>> I would love to see some of those Tanzania recipes. The only African
>>> food I've had was some really nice homemade Ethoipian Injera bread with
>>> a nicely spiced lamb and vegetable stew. Delicious!
>>>
>>> Julie is trying to impress someonw she barely knows. Her last
>>> "boyfriend" was allergic to cats. This is a new guy. Gotta wonder where
>>> she's finding them during a pandemic lockdown.
>>
>> I found who I refer to as "The Three Amigos" on the Facebook dating app.
>> D. found me on Plenty Of Fish. I reactivated my account because I was
>> bored and thought I'd find someone to talk to. I did. A guy whose dad
>> worked with my dad. I found him to be boring though. Then D. contacted
>> me. We met the next day in a parking lot. Again, because so few places
>> were open. We hit it off right away. Lots of stuff in common. He has two
>> cats. Great personality. Makes me laugh. I make him laugh. Couldn't be
>> better.
>>
>> Yes, there is a pandemic but... People who are married or live with their
>> BF/GF can see their other half every day. Kind of un fair to the rest of
>> us who are supposed to stay home and see no one. I got sick of it. People
>> aren't meant to be hermits.
>
> Some of us are comfortable enough to not need constant company. I talk
> with my SO on the phone at least once a day. I enjoy solice in reading
> and having my cat curl up next to me while I do so. I enjoy watching and
> feeding birds. I take surveys. I watch silly movies on TV. I cook
> whatever I want to when I feel like and don't need to have someone else
> there to approve the ingredients.

I don't need constant company but aside from Justin, I haven't much of
anyone during the pandemic. Saw one friend one time, just to take her a
book. Saw my mom twice, for about two minutes each time. My brother once,
his wife twice. And the various BFs a few times. Saw Angela more than
anyone, but didn't even see her once a week. You might not be a social
person. I am. I like seeing people. I can't stand watchint TV or movies.
There is nothing more mind numbing. I do read. I read very fast so buying
books is expensive!

I don't know what you mean about someone else approving ingredients. I did
show him some of what I bought. Peri Peri and Piri Piri. He said those were
the wrong things and the correct term in Swahili is Pili Pili. A search
turned up a musical group. A couple of foods did show up as Peri Pweri.
Dunno.
>
> I sure as hell don't feel like I need to be out meeting and greeting
> strangers in parking lots hoping for a bouquet of roses the middle of a
> pandemic. That's just sad.

I don't really like cut flowers. I certainly wasn't looking for those.
Meeting in a parking lot was really our only choice. Worked for me. Don't
care if you don't like it or found it sad. We had a lot of laughs. Nothing
sad about that.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 12/29/2020 8:01 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 12/28/2020 12:44 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>> " > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Friday, December 25, 2020 at 8:50:29 PM UTC-5,
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Yes, I will research this online.
>>>>>
>>>>> Etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> And I thought, "Cool! I know quite a bit about Tanzanian cuisine,
>>>>> including home-cooking, street/fast, and restaurant food. Personal
>>>>> experiences. I'll be happy to share what I know and I look forward to
>>>>> a discussion about it!"
>>>>>
>>>>> But of course, this being RFC in 2020, the thread immediately took a
>>>>> dive into the sewer and stayed there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jesus F'ing Christ, people.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Silvar Beitel
>>>>
>>>> I would appreciate the discussion. I know there used to be an African
>>>> poster here. Carol? I think. Haven't seen a post from her in a while.
>>>
>>> Are you thinking of Chatty Cathy? The woman who participated in chat and
>>> used to post fun RFC survey questions here? She wasn't "African".
>>
>> Ah yes! I thought she lived in Africa.
>
> She lives in South Africa, which is a country on the continent of Africa
> which was once a Dutch and also a British colony.
>
> Your guy might like this:
>
> http://www.recfoodcooking.org/sigs/C...n%20Satay.html
>
> You'd have to cook it on a braii.

He dies love chicken. I will look for something with a similar flavor
profile that can be done indoors. I don't BBQ.