On 2021-01-01 5:38 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
> On 01/01/2021 22:18, wrote:
>
>> My mom was within two weeks of being 39 when I was born and my dad was
>> within two weeks of being 49.Â* My oldest brother was 19 years and 7
>> months
>> old when I was born, second brother was 15 when I popped out.Â* Other
>> brothers
>> were 4 and 5 years old when I made my appearance.
>>
> My Granny was in her 40s when my youngest uncle was born. I'm only 5
> years younger than he is - he's the youngest of seven children, my
> mother was the oldest.

My nephew fathered a daughter when he was young. His father had recently
married a younger woman and they had a baby. I forget which is older but
they were born within a month of each other.

On Friday, January 1, 2021 at 1:21:28 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2021-01-01 5:38 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
> > On 01/01/2021 22:18, wrote:
> >
> >> My mom was within two weeks of being 39 when I was born and my dad was
> >> within two weeks of being 49. My oldest brother was 19 years and 7
> >> months
> >> old when I was born, second brother was 15 when I popped out. Other
> >> brothers
> >> were 4 and 5 years old when I made my appearance.
> >>
> > My Granny was in her 40s when my youngest uncle was born. I'm only 5
> > years younger than he is - he's the youngest of seven children, my
> > mother was the oldest.
> My nephew fathered a daughter when he was young. His father had recently
> married a younger woman and they had a baby. I forget which is older but
> they were born within a month of each other.

In Filipino culture, it's quite common for old guys to marry young girls. You'll see young kids with really old dudes for dads. I can't figure out how that works on a genealogical, societal, or anthropological, level but somehow it works.

Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2021-01-01 5:38 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
>> On 01/01/2021 22:18, wrote:
>>
>>> My mom was within two weeks of being 39 when I was born and my
>>> dad was
>>> within two weeks of being 49.Â* My oldest brother was 19 years
>>> and 7 months
>>> old when I was born, second brother was 15 when I popped out.Â
>>> Other brothers
>>> were 4 and 5 years old when I made my appearance.
>>>
>> My Granny was in her 40s when my youngest uncle was born. I'm
>> only 5 years younger than he is - he's the youngest of seven
>> children, my mother was the oldest.
>
> My nephew fathered a daughter when he was young. His father had
> recently married a younger woman and they had a baby. I forget
> which is older but they were born within a month of each other.

Don't canadian tire stores sell ****ing rubbers?

On Fri, 1 Jan 2021 15:32:40 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Friday, January 1, 2021 at 1:21:28 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2021-01-01 5:38 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
>> > On 01/01/2021 22:18, wrote:
>> >
>> >> My mom was within two weeks of being 39 when I was born and my dad was
>> >> within two weeks of being 49. My oldest brother was 19 years and 7
>> >> months
>> >> old when I was born, second brother was 15 when I popped out. Other
>> >> brothers
>> >> were 4 and 5 years old when I made my appearance.
>> >>
>> > My Granny was in her 40s when my youngest uncle was born. I'm only 5
>> > years younger than he is - he's the youngest of seven children, my
>> > mother was the oldest.
>> My nephew fathered a daughter when he was young. His father had recently
>> married a younger woman and they had a baby. I forget which is older but
>> they were born within a month of each other.
>
>In Filipino culture, it's quite common for old guys to marry young girls. You'll see
>young kids with really old dudes for dads. I can't figure out how that works on
>a genealogical, societal, or anthropological, level but somehow it works.

I'll explain it to you: money.

On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 11:43:12 PM UTC-6, Alex wrote:
> John Kuthe wrote:
> > On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 7:02:39 PM UTC-6, wrote:
> > ...
> >> I swore off 80 proof liquor more than 21 years ago, and never backslid, not even
> >> once. Today is exactly 21 years since I smoked my last cigarette on New Year's
> >> Eve of 1999.
> > ...
> >
> > You still chewing Nicorette, or you off nicotine finally?
> >
Equate brand nicotine gum from WalMart.
> >
> > Try going vegetarian! I lost a few lbs going vegetarian, and I still have enough energy to Nordictrack an hour a day (20+20+20mins)
> >
Try the $3.99/# t-bone steaks at Save-a-Lot.
https://savealot.com/weeklyad
> >
> > John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
>
> ...and post lies in Usenet!
>
It's not the lies that are problematic.

--Bryan

On Friday, January 1, 2021 at 5:11:46 AM UTC-6, Ophelia wrote:
> "Leo" wrote in message
> ...
> On 2020 Dec 31, , songbird wrote
> (in article >):
>
> > i feel lucky and happy with what i went through and how i did
> > things. i never cheated on anyone and i never got anyone
> > pregnant. when my last relationship broke up i took a few years
> > to just get back to normal and then i figured out that i was
> > happier and didn't want the drama of dating. i did try to find
> > someone else, but people wanted to talk, but not to do things or
> > to go on actual dates. i wanted to get out and do some things
> > since most of my time i am here at home so to have a buddy to
> > go find some new places to explore and to eat at and such was
> > what i was hoping for. but it was just a bit too much drama for
> > me so that was it and i've not really looked at all since then.
>
> Dad was forty five when he got married for the first and only time. Mom had
> been married once but believed she was barren. I´m the glorious
> result!
> Be careful what you wish for. You could end up with a "me".
>
> leo
> ==
>
> lololol

He used the word, barren. That made me laugh too.

--Bryan

On Fri, 1 Jan 2021 15:54:46 -0800 (PST), Bryan Simmons
> wrote:

>On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 11:43:12 PM UTC-6, Alex wrote:
>> John Kuthe wrote:
>> > On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 7:02:39 PM UTC-6, wrote:
>> > ...
>> >> I swore off 80 proof liquor more than 21 years ago, and never backslid, not even
>> >> once. Today is exactly 21 years since I smoked my last cigarette on New Year's
>> >> Eve of 1999.
>> > ...
>> >
>> > You still chewing Nicorette, or you off nicotine finally?
>> >
>Equate brand nicotine gum from WalMart.

You quit smoking 21 years ago and you still chew nicotine chewing gum?

Sheldon Martin wrote:

> On Thu, 31 Dec 2020 Leo wrote:
> > On 2020 Dec 31, , songbird wrote:
> >
> >> i feel lucky and happy with what i went through and how i did
> >> things. i never cheated on anyone and i never got anyone
> >> pregnant. when my last relationship broke up i took a few years
> >> to just get back to normal and then i figured out that i was
> >> happier and didn't want the drama of dating. i did try to find
> >> someone else, but people wanted to talk, but not to do things or
> >> to go on actual dates. i wanted to get out and do some things
> >> since most of my time i am here at home so to have a buddy to
> >> go find some new places to explore and to eat at and such was
> >> what i was hoping for. but it was just a bit too much drama for
> >> me so that was it and i've not really looked at all since then.
> >
> > Dad was forty five when he got married for the first and only time.
> > Mom had been married once but believed she was barren. I´m the
> > glorious result!
> > Be careful what you wish for. You could end up with a "me".
> >
> > leo
>
> All this time I thought Song Bird was a gal, I wouldn't have thought
> males would choose that handle.

It always made me think Native American. No particular sex indicated
but a general feeling of male fits the posts.

> It's not easy for men to find male friends, most attempts will be
<rest of your sad drivel on why you have no friends and never have had,
deleted>

On Friday, January 1, 2021 at 6:09:05 PM UTC-6, Master Bruce wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Jan 2021 15:54:46 -0800 (PST), Bryan Simmons
> > wrote:
>
> >On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 11:43:12 PM UTC-6, Alex wrote:
> >> John Kuthe wrote:
> >> > On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 7:02:39 PM UTC-6, wrote:
> >> > ...
> >> >> I swore off 80 proof liquor more than 21 years ago, and never backslid, not even
> >> >> once. Today is exactly 21 years since I smoked my last cigarette on New Year's
> >> >> Eve of 1999.
> >> > ...
> >> >
> >> > You still chewing Nicorette, or you off nicotine finally?
> >> >
> >Equate brand nicotine gum from WalMart.
> You quit smoking 21 years ago and you still chew nicotine chewing gum?

Yes. There's a nice synergy between alcohol and nicotine. I never use it before my
third beer. I know my neurological quirks. The only drugs I still use are alcohol,
nicotine, caffeine, and alprazolam if, and only if, I'm getting on an airplane. I'd
also use opiates for severe pain, and I have almost zero risk of addiction because
I dislike everything about the way they make me feel, other than the pain relief.

Think about this, Bruce, do I seem like a drunk? Do I ever have *covfefe*
moments here? Do I post more *out there* posts in the evenings, where I pretty
much always drink beer? I acknowledge that I am addicted to alcohol, but I use
it pretty much only in the evenings, and drink less and less as I grow older. I have
a handle on my substance use, and I'm not in any sense in denial that it is less
than ideal. It's a work in progress.

--Bryan

On Fri, 1 Jan 2021 17:02:31 -0800 (PST), Bryan Simmons
> wrote:

>On Friday, January 1, 2021 at 6:09:05 PM UTC-6, Master Bruce wrote:
>> On Fri, 1 Jan 2021 15:54:46 -0800 (PST), Bryan Simmons
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >Equate brand nicotine gum from WalMart.
>
>> You quit smoking 21 years ago and you still chew nicotine chewing gum?
>
>Yes. There's a nice synergy between alcohol and nicotine. I never use it before my
>third beer. I know my neurological quirks. The only drugs I still use are alcohol,
>nicotine, caffeine, and alprazolam if, and only if, I'm getting on an airplane. I'd
>also use opiates for severe pain, and I have almost zero risk of addiction because
>I dislike everything about the way they make me feel, other than the pain relief.
>
>Think about this, Bruce, do I seem like a drunk? Do I ever have *covfefe*
>moments here? Do I post more *out there* posts in the evenings, where I pretty
>much always drink beer? I acknowledge that I am addicted to alcohol, but I use
>it pretty much only in the evenings, and drink less and less as I grow older. I have
>a handle on my substance use, and I'm not in any sense in denial that it is less
>than ideal. It's a work in progress.
>
Maybe you could start smoking to help get you of the nicotine gum.
>
I don't know what time it is when you post, so I also don't know if
there's a link between your beer drinking and your nastiest posts.
>
In terms of relevant "drugs", you only drink beer. The rest is
negligible.
>

cshenk wrote:

....male vs. female...

> It always made me think Native American. No particular sex indicated
> but a general feeling of male fits the posts.

i have had to be more notably male on usenet over the years
because of the number of people who assumed i was female.

i'm sure a lot of it is that i don't particularly care much
for male stereotypical things (drinking, guns, team sports,
cars, hunting) and i also mostly write without considering
including the obvious references to gender roles or actions
which would mark me as male. i do consider myself fairly
gender neutral in how i think and feel and i do tend to get
along a lot better with women than men (thanks Dad! ).

and of course, that i know how to cook, clean, garden,
put up food, sew, do laundry, etc. i was raised to be able
to take care of myself (thanks Mom! ).

i'm not Native American to any large degree that i know of,
but we're not sure about Grandma on Mom's side - still i
doubt it is any significant portion. trace perhaps.

as for the rest of Sheldon's odd remarks, i've learned to
ignore whatever isn't worth commenting upon.


songbird

Master Bruce wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Jan 2021 17:02:31 -0800 (PST), Bryan Simmons
> > wrote:
>
>> On Friday, January 1, 2021 at 6:09:05 PM UTC-6, Master Bruce wrote:
>>> On Fri, 1 Jan 2021 15:54:46 -0800 (PST), Bryan Simmons
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Equate brand nicotine gum from WalMart.
>>
>>> You quit smoking 21 years ago and you still chew nicotine chewing gum?
>>
>> Yes. There's a nice synergy between alcohol and nicotine. I never use it before my
>> third beer. I know my neurological quirks. The only drugs I still use are alcohol,
>> nicotine, caffeine, and alprazolam if, and only if, I'm getting on an airplane. I'd
>> also use opiates for severe pain, and I have almost zero risk of addiction because
>> I dislike everything about the way they make me feel, other than the pain relief.
>>
>> Think about this, Bruce, do I seem like a drunk? Do I ever have *covfefe*
>> moments here? Do I post more *out there* posts in the evenings, where I pretty
>> much always drink beer? I acknowledge that I am addicted to alcohol, but I use
>> it pretty much only in the evenings, and drink less and less as I grow older. I have
>> a handle on my substance use, and I'm not in any sense in denial that it is less
>> than ideal. It's a work in progress.
>>
> Maybe you could start smoking to help get you of the nicotine gum.
>>
> I don't know what time it is when you post, so I also don't know if
> there's a link between your beer drinking and your nastiest posts.
>>
> In terms of relevant "drugs", you only drink beer. The rest is
> negligible.

<*SNIFF*>

Bryan Simmons wrote:
> On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 11:43:12 PM UTC-6, Alex wrote:
>> John Kuthe wrote:
>>> On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 7:02:39 PM UTC-6, wrote:
>>> ...
>>>> I swore off 80 proof liquor more than 21 years ago, and never backslid, not even
>>>> once. Today is exactly 21 years since I smoked my last cigarette on New Year's
>>>> Eve of 1999.
>>> ...
>>>
>>> You still chewing Nicorette, or you off nicotine finally?
>>>
> Equate brand nicotine gum from WalMart.
>>> Try going vegetarian! I lost a few lbs going vegetarian, and I still have enough energy to Nordictrack an hour a day (20+20+20mins)
>>>
> Try the $3.99/# t-bone steaks at Save-a-Lot.
> https://savealot.com/weeklyad
>>> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
>> ...and post lies in Usenet!
>>
> It's not the lies that are problematic.
>
> --Bryan

Bragging about having sex with underage girls would be worse.

"songbird" wrote in message ...

Ophelia wrote:
....
> I am sorry to hear that, but at least you are happy and really, that
> is
> all that matters .. to me anyway))

yes. we'll see what happens is my attitude about such things.


songbird

===

OK pop back and inform us if it does )

songbird wrote:

> cshenk wrote:
>
> ...male vs. female...
>
> > It always made me think Native American. No particular sex
> > indicated but a general feeling of male fits the posts.
>
> i have had to be more notably male on usenet over the years
> because of the number of people who assumed i was female.

Yes, I have to remind folks now and again as 'cshenk' isn't obvious.
Graham isn't either. Frankly, most of us don't really care.


> i'm sure a lot of it is that i don't particularly care much
> for male stereotypical things (drinking, guns, team sports,
> cars, hunting) and i also mostly write without considering
> including the obvious references to gender roles or actions
> which would mark me as male. i do consider myself fairly
> gender neutral in how i think and feel and i do tend to get
> along a lot better with women than men (thanks Dad! ).

Smile, and I've worked so long in a predominantly male career field
(and still do) that subconciously I probably seem to project a 'male
attitude' to many. Some do not like that. It's weird but it's also
like some men expect me to be apologetic for being good at what I do?
Shrug.

> and of course, that i know how to cook, clean, garden,
> put up food, sew, do laundry, etc. i was raised to be able
> to take care of myself (thanks Mom! ).


I can't sew worth a damn...Don does the laundry (but I know how at
need). Conversly I'm good at woodworking, detail painting,
refinishing, most handyman jobs, basic plumbing, building decks and
wheelchair ramps, hanging doors, intalling windows, wallpapering,
refinishing wood floors and replacing wood stairs plus other handy
things. Don holds my hand in the woodworking tools section so I can
only fill the cart one hand at a time (grin).

> i'm not Native American to any large degree that i know of,
> but we're not sure about Grandma on Mom's side - still i
> doubt it is any significant portion. trace perhaps.

I'm more than a trace but not raised in it so it doesn't matter.

>
> as for the rest of Sheldon's odd remarks, i've learned to
> ignore whatever isn't worth commenting upon.
>

Same. I just snip the drivel out or ignore him completely.

On Friday, January 1, 2021 at 9:55:07 PM UTC-6, songbird wrote:
> cshenk wrote:
>
> ...male vs. female...
> > It always made me think Native American. No particular sex indicated
> > but a general feeling of male fits the posts.

I am what First Americans call a Two Spirit. I carry Two Spirits within my Spirit, Male and Female. Sexually I'm %99.44 Heterosexual but I DO like my self sexually too, so the %0.59 part!


John Kuthe, RN, BSN...


....

wrote:
> On Friday, January 1, 2021 at 9:55:07 PM UTC-6, songbird wrote:
> > cshenk wrote:
> >
> > ...male vs. female...
> > > It always made me think Native American. No particular sex indicated
> > > but a general feeling of male fits the posts.
> I am what First Americans call a Two Spirit. I carry Two Spirits within my Spirit, Male and Female. Sexually I'm %99.44 Heterosexual but I DO like my self sexually too, so the %0.59 part!
>


Your STEALING of "First American" concepts is "WHITE Cultural Appropriation"...you are a cultural THIEF...!!!

And "sexually", you are simply a CHRONIC masturbator...and 1000% so...

--
Best
Greg

On 2021-01-02 7:46 a.m., cshenk wrote:
> songbird wrote:
>
>> cshenk wrote:
>>
>> ...male vs. female...
>>
>>> It always made me think Native American. No particular sex
>>> indicated but a general feeling of male fits the posts.
>>
>> i have had to be more notably male on usenet over the years
>> because of the number of people who assumed i was female.
>
> Yes, I have to remind folks now and again as 'cshenk' isn't obvious.
> Graham isn't either.

What the **** do you mean by that?

On Saturday, January 2, 2021 at 11:21:26 AM UTC-6, Graham wrote:
> On 2021-01-02 7:46 a.m., cshenk wrote:
> > songbird wrote:
> >
> >> cshenk wrote:
> >>
> >> ...male vs. female...
> >>
> >>> It always made me think Native American. No particular sex
> >>> indicated but a general feeling of male fits the posts.
> >>
> >> i have had to be more notably male on usenet over the years
> >> because of the number of people who assumed i was female.
> >
> > Yes, I have to remind folks now and again as 'cshenk' isn't obvious.
> > Graham isn't either.
> What the **** do you mean by that?

Yeah, what the ****?

--Bryan

John Kuthe wrote:
> On Friday, January 1, 2021 at 9:55:07 PM UTC-6, songbird wrote:
>> cshenk wrote:
>>
>> ...male vs. female...
>>> It always made me think Native American. No particular sex indicated
>>> but a general feeling of male fits the posts.
>
> I am what First Americans call a Two Spirit. I carry Two Spirits within my Spirit, Male and Female. Sexually I'm %99.44 Heterosexual but I DO like my self sexually too, so the %0.59 part!
>
>
> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
>
>
> ...
>

Nope, yoose a morphydite!

Hank Rogers wrote:
> John Kuthe wrote:
> > On Friday, January 1, 2021 at 9:55:07 PM UTC-6, songbird wrote:
> >> cshenk wrote:
> >>
> >> ...male vs. female...
> >>> It always made me think Native American. No particular sex indicated
> >>> but a general feeling of male fits the posts.
> >
> > I am what First Americans call a Two Spirit. I carry Two Spirits within my Spirit, Male and Female. Sexually I'm %99.44 Heterosexual but I DO like my self sexually too, so the %0.59 part!
> >
> >
> > John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
> >
> >
> > ...
> >
> Nope, yoose a morphydite!


Or even a MorLOCK...!!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morlock

"In The Time Machine

The Morlocks are at first a mysterious presence in the book, in so far as the protagonist initially believes the Eloi are the sole descendants of humanity. Later, the Morlocks are made the story's antagonists. They dwell underground in the English countryside of AD 802,701, maintaining ancient machines that they may or may not remember how to build. Their only access to the surface world is through a series of well-like structures that dot the countryside of future England...

After thousands of generations of living without sunlight, the Morlocks have dull grey-to-white skin, chinless faces, large greyish-red eyes with a capacity for reflecting light, and flaxen hair on the head and back..."

On 1/2/2021 9:46 AM, cshenk wrote:

> Smile, and I've worked so long in a predominantly male career field
> (and still do) that subconciously I probably seem to project a 'male
> attitude' to many. Some do not like that. It's weird but it's also
> like some men expect me to be apologetic for being good at what I do?
> Shrug.
>
>> and of course, that i know how to cook, clean, garden,
>> put up food, sew, do laundry, etc. i was raised to be able
>> to take care of myself (thanks Mom! ).
>
>
> I can't sew worth a damn...Don does the laundry (but I know how at
> need). Conversly I'm good at woodworking, detail painting,
> refinishing, most handyman jobs, basic plumbing, building decks and
> wheelchair ramps, hanging doors, intalling windows, wallpapering,
> refinishing wood floors and replacing wood stairs plus other handy
> things. Don holds my hand in the woodworking tools section so I can
> only fill the cart one hand at a time (grin).

I've been in probably 100 different manufacturing plants. Some in the
same business as I was. I'd go in the plant and see machines and a crew
of about 10 men taking care of them. I'd ask the manager if they ever
had women and he'd say "no, women can't handle this at all, to heavy for
them" Then a few weeks later I'd be in another plant with same exact
machines making pretty much the same items, but this time, all women.
I'd ask the manager, ever try men for this job? No, this requires a lot
of detail and women are much better suited for it. Fact is, it is a low
skilled job any 14 year old could do if they had a 30 second attention
span.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 1/2/2021 9:46 AM, cshenk wrote:
>
> > Smile, and I've worked so long in a predominantly male career field
> > (and still do) that subconciously I probably seem to project a 'male
> > attitude' to many. Some do not like that. It's weird but it's also
> > like some men expect me to be apologetic for being good at what I do?
> > Shrug.
> >
> >> and of course, that i know how to cook, clean, garden,
> >> put up food, sew, do laundry, etc. i was raised to be able
> >> to take care of myself (thanks Mom! ).
> >
> >
> > I can't sew worth a damn...Don does the laundry (but I know how at
> > need). Conversly I'm good at woodworking, detail painting,
> > refinishing, most handyman jobs, basic plumbing, building decks and
> > wheelchair ramps, hanging doors, intalling windows, wallpapering,
> > refinishing wood floors and replacing wood stairs plus other handy
> > things. Don holds my hand in the woodworking tools section so I can
> > only fill the cart one hand at a time (grin).
> I've been in probably 100 different manufacturing plants. Some in the
> same business as I was. I'd go in the plant and see machines and a crew
> of about 10 men taking care of them. I'd ask the manager if they ever
> had women and he'd say "no, women can't handle this at all, to heavy for
> them" Then a few weeks later I'd be in another plant with same exact
> machines making pretty much the same items, but this time, all women.
> I'd ask the manager, ever try men for this job? No, this requires a lot
> of detail and women are much better suited for it. Fact is, it is a low
> skilled job any 14 year old could do if they had a 30 second attention
> span.


Women make the best welders, good hand - eye coordination. How many times have I heard a welding instructor say "She laid down the perfect bead - and on the first try..."

--
Best
Greg

On 1/2/2021 12:21 PM, Graham wrote:
> On 2021-01-02 7:46 a.m., cshenk wrote:
>> songbird wrote:
>>
>>> cshenk wrote:
>>>
>>> ...male vs. female...
>>>
>>>> It always made me think Native American.Â* No particular sex
>>>> indicated but a general feeling of male fits the posts.
>>>
>>> Â*Â* i have had to be more notably male on usenet over the years
>>> because of the number of people who assumed i was female.
>>
>> Yes, I have to remind folks now and again as 'cshenk' isn't obvious.
>> Graham isn't either.
>
> What the **** do you mean by that?

It can be female, can also be the name of a cracker.

The forename Graham is considered to be an English and Scottish given
name. Its origin as a surname has led to its occasional use as a female
given name, as for example in the case of Graham Cockburn, a daughter of
Henry Cockburn, Lord Cockburn

On Sat, 2 Jan 2021 10:21:20 -0700, Graham > wrote:

>On 2021-01-02 7:46 a.m., cshenk wrote:
>> songbird wrote:
>>
>>> cshenk wrote:
>>>
>>> ...male vs. female...
>>>
>>>> It always made me think Native American. No particular sex
>>>> indicated but a general feeling of male fits the posts.
>>>
>>> i have had to be more notably male on usenet over the years
>>> because of the number of people who assumed i was female.
>>
>> Yes, I have to remind folks now and again as 'cshenk' isn't obvious.
>> Graham isn't either.
>
>What the **** do you mean by that?

To my knowledge in the US Graham is always a male name, I've never met
a female named Graham unless it was her last name. I asked my wife as
she grew up in London, England, she agreed that all Grahams there she
knew of were male. She said that in the UK Graham is a rather common
first name for males, but not in the US. In the US Graham is often a
middle name as in Alexander Graham Bell.

On 02/01/2021 19:02, Sheldon Martin wrote:


> first name for males, but not in the US. In the US Graham is often a
> middle name as in Alexander Graham Bell.
>
Alexander Graham Bell was a Scotsman, born in Edinburgh.

On Sat, 2 Jan 2021 13:57:08 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 1/2/2021 12:21 PM, Graham wrote:
>> On 2021-01-02 7:46 a.m., cshenk wrote:
>>> songbird wrote:
>>>
>>>> cshenk wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ...male vs. female...
>>>>
>>>>> It always made me think Native American.Â* No particular sex
>>>>> indicated but a general feeling of male fits the posts.
>>>>
>>>> Â*Â* i have had to be more notably male on usenet over the years
>>>> because of the number of people who assumed i was female.
>>>
>>> Yes, I have to remind folks now and again as 'cshenk' isn't obvious.
>>> Graham isn't either.
>>
>> What the **** do you mean by that?
>
>It can be female, can also be the name of a cracker.
>
>The forename Graham is considered to be an English and Scottish given
>name. Its origin as a surname has led to its occasional use as a female
>given name, as for example in the case of Graham Cockburn, a daughter of
>Henry Cockburn, Lord Cockburn

Are you saying Graham's a man? Graham, are you a man?

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 1/2/2021 12:21 PM, Graham wrote:
>> On 2021-01-02 7:46 a.m., cshenk wrote:
>>> songbird wrote:
>>>
>>>> cshenk wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ...male vs. female...
>>>>
>>>>> It always made me think Native American.Â* No particular sex
>>>>> indicated but a general feeling of male fits the posts.
>>>>
>>>> Â*Â* i have had to be more notably male on usenet over the years
>>>> because of the number of people who assumed i was female.
>>>
>>> Yes, I have to remind folks now and again as 'cshenk' isn't
>>> obvious.
>>> Graham isn't either.
>>
>> What the **** do you mean by that?
>
> It can be female, can also be the name of a cracker.
>
> The forename Graham is considered to be an English and Scottish
> given name. Its origin as a surname has led to its occasional use
> as a female given name, as for example in the case of Graham
> Cockburn, a daughter of Henry Cockburn, Lord Cockburn

Ya gotta love a name like "Cockburn". That one is new to me.

Lord Gonorrhea LOL.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> On 1/2/2021 12:21 PM, Graham wrote:
> > On 2021-01-02 7:46 a.m., cshenk wrote:
> > > songbird wrote:
> > >
> > > > cshenk wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ...male vs. female...
> > > >
> > > > > It always made me think Native American.Â* No particular sex
> > > > > indicated but a general feeling of male fits the posts.
> > > >
> > > > Â*Â* i have had to be more notably male on usenet over the years
> > > > because of the number of people who assumed i was female.
> > >
> > > Yes, I have to remind folks now and again as 'cshenk' isn't
> > > obvious. Graham isn't either.
> >
> > What the **** do you mean by that?
>
> It can be female, can also be the name of a cracker.
>
> The forename Graham is considered to be an English and Scottish given
> name. Its origin as a surname has led to its occasional use as a
> female given name, as for example in the case of Graham Cockburn, a
> daughter of Henry Cockburn, Lord Cockburn

It's ambiguious to USA. Nothing wrong with that, but no obvious
conntation of sex.

On Sat, 02 Jan 2021 18:07:32 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:

>Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> On 1/2/2021 12:21 PM, Graham wrote:
>> > On 2021-01-02 7:46 a.m., cshenk wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Yes, I have to remind folks now and again as 'cshenk' isn't
>> > > obvious. Graham isn't either.
>> >
>> > What the **** do you mean by that?
>>
>> It can be female, can also be the name of a cracker.
>>
>> The forename Graham is considered to be an English and Scottish given
>> name. Its origin as a surname has led to its occasional use as a
>> female given name, as for example in the case of Graham Cockburn, a
>> daughter of Henry Cockburn, Lord Cockburn
>
>It's ambiguious to USA. Nothing wrong with that, but no obvious
>conntation of sex.

Maybe someone can ask cshenk for an example of a living American woman
with the first name Graham.

cshenk wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> On 1/2/2021 12:21 PM, Graham wrote:
>>> On 2021-01-02 7:46 a.m., cshenk wrote:
>>>> songbird wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> cshenk wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ...male vs. female...
>>>>>
>>>>>> It always made me think Native American.Â* No particular sex
>>>>>> indicated but a general feeling of male fits the posts.
>>>>>
>>>>> Â*Â* i have had to be more notably male on usenet over the years
>>>>> because of the number of people who assumed i was female.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I have to remind folks now and again as 'cshenk' isn't
>>>> obvious. Graham isn't either.
>>>
>>> What the **** do you mean by that?
>>
>> It can be female, can also be the name of a cracker.
>>
>> The forename Graham is considered to be an English and Scottish given
>> name. Its origin as a surname has led to its occasional use as a
>> female given name, as for example in the case of Graham Cockburn, a
>> daughter of Henry Cockburn, Lord Cockburn
>
> It's ambiguious to USA. Nothing wrong with that, but no obvious
> conntation of sex.
>

SEX? Popeye will be here in 2 seconds!

SEX Popeye ...gigity gigity.

Enormous titties and squirting pussies!

100% mayan mexican whores!

Master Bruce wrote:
> On Sat, 02 Jan 2021 18:07:32 -0600, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
>> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/2/2021 12:21 PM, Graham wrote:
>>>> On 2021-01-02 7:46 a.m., cshenk wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I have to remind folks now and again as 'cshenk' isn't
>>>>> obvious. Graham isn't either.
>>>>
>>>> What the **** do you mean by that?
>>>
>>> It can be female, can also be the name of a cracker.
>>>
>>> The forename Graham is considered to be an English and Scottish given
>>> name. Its origin as a surname has led to its occasional use as a
>>> female given name, as for example in the case of Graham Cockburn, a
>>> daughter of Henry Cockburn, Lord Cockburn
>>
>> It's ambiguious to USA. Nothing wrong with that, but no obvious
>> conntation of sex.
>
> Maybe someone can ask cshenk for an example of a living American woman
> with the first name Graham.
>

Gawd... will you ever get enough asses to sniff druce?

On 2021-01-02 11:57 a.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 1/2/2021 12:21 PM, Graham wrote:
>> On 2021-01-02 7:46 a.m., cshenk wrote:
>>> songbird wrote:
>>>
>>>> cshenk wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ...male vs. female...
>>>>
>>>>> It always made me think Native American.Â* No particular sex
>>>>> indicated but a general feeling of male fits the posts.
>>>>
>>>> Â*Â* i have had to be more notably male on usenet over the years
>>>> because of the number of people who assumed i was female.
>>>
>>> Yes, I have to remind folks now and again as 'cshenk' isn't obvious.
>>> Graham isn't either.
>>
>> What the **** do you mean by that?
>
> It can be female, can also be the name of a cracker.
>
> The forename Graham is considered to be an English and Scottish given
> name. Its origin as a surname has led to its occasional use as a female
> given name, as for example in the case of Graham Cockburn, a daughter of
> Henry Cockburn, Lord Cockburn

That was back in the Nineteenth Century FFS!

On 1/2/2021 12:21 PM, Graham wrote:
> On 2021-01-02 7:46 a.m., cshenk wrote:
>> songbird wrote:
>>
>>> cshenk wrote:
>>>
>>> ...male vs. female...
>>>
>>>> It always made me think Native American.Â* No particular sex
>>>> indicated but a general feeling of male fits the posts.
>>>
>>> Â*Â* i have had to be more notably male on usenet over the years
>>> because of the number of people who assumed i was female.
>>
>> Yes, I have to remind folks now and again as 'cshenk' isn't obvious.
>> Graham isn't either.
>
> What the **** do you mean by that?

While there are some ambiguous names, Graham certainly isn't one of them.

Jill

On Sat, 2 Jan 2021 20:40:23 -0500, jmcquown wrote:

> On 1/2/2021 12:21 PM, Graham wrote:
>> On 2021-01-02 7:46 a.m., cshenk wrote:
>>> songbird wrote:
>>>
>>>> cshenk wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ...male vs. female...
>>>>
>>>>> It always made me think Native American.* No particular sex
>>>>> indicated but a general feeling of male fits the posts.
>>>>
>>>> ** i have had to be more notably male on usenet over the years
>>>> because of the number of people who assumed i was female.
>>>
>>> Yes, I have to remind folks now and again as 'cshenk' isn't obvious.
>>> Graham isn't either.
>>
>> What the **** do you mean by that?
>
> While there are some ambiguous names, Graham certainly isn't one of them.
>
> Jill

For the educated it is often a matter of spelling, for example:
Francis - male
Frances - female

Goodness knows how his parents thought Evelyn was ok for Waugh, even if it
was a second name.

On Sat, 2 Jan 2021 18:48:43 -0700, Graham > wrote:

>On Sat, 2 Jan 2021 20:40:23 -0500, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> On 1/2/2021 12:21 PM, Graham wrote:
>>> On 2021-01-02 7:46 a.m., cshenk wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I have to remind folks now and again as 'cshenk' isn't obvious.
>>>> Graham isn't either.
>>>
>>> What the **** do you mean by that?
>>
>> While there are some ambiguous names, Graham certainly isn't one of them.
>>
>> Jill
>
>For the educated it is often a matter of spelling, for example:
>Francis - male
>Frances - female

George/Georges, René/Renée. But what about Graham? Graham/Grahamme?

On 2021-01-02 8:48 p.m., Graham wrote:

>> While there are some ambiguous names, Graham certainly isn't one of them.
>>
>> Jill
>
> For the educated it is often a matter of spelling, for example:
> Francis - male
> Frances - female


FWIW.... Francis the Mule was female.



> Goodness knows how his parents thought Evelyn was ok for Waugh, even if it
> was a second name.
>

On Saturday, January 2, 2021 at 8:18:22 PM UTC-6, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2021-01-02 8:48 p.m., Graham wrote:
>
> >> While there are some ambiguous names, Graham certainly isn't one of them.
> >>
> >> Jill
> >
> > For the educated it is often a matter of spelling, for example:
> > Francis - male
> > Frances - female
> FWIW.... Francis the Mule was female.

Because the show's producers didn't want any mule penises showing!

John Kuthe...

Graham wrote:
> On 2021-01-02 11:57 a.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 1/2/2021 12:21 PM, Graham wrote:
>>> On 2021-01-02 7:46 a.m., cshenk wrote:
>>>> songbird wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> cshenk wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ...male vs. female...
>>>>>
>>>>>> It always made me think Native American.Â* No particular sex
>>>>>> indicated but a general feeling of male fits the posts.
>>>>>
>>>>> Â*Â* i have had to be more notably male on usenet over the years
>>>>> because of the number of people who assumed i was female.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I have to remind folks now and again as 'cshenk' isn't
>>>> obvious.
>>>> Graham isn't either.
>>>
>>> What the **** do you mean by that?
>>
>> It can be female, can also be the name of a cracker.
>>
>> The forename Graham is considered to be an English and Scottish
>> given name. Its origin as a surname has led to its occasional use
>> as a female given name, as for example in the case of Graham
>> Cockburn, a daughter of Henry Cockburn, Lord Cockburn
>
> That was back in the Nineteenth Century FFS!

Oh shit ... yoose got cockburn?

On Saturday, January 2, 2021 at 3:48:48 PM UTC-10, Graham wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Jan 2021 20:40:23 -0500, jmcquown wrote:
>
> > On 1/2/2021 12:21 PM, Graham wrote:
> >> On 2021-01-02 7:46 a.m., cshenk wrote:
> >>> songbird wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> cshenk wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> ...male vs. female...
> >>>>
> >>>>> It always made me think Native American. No particular sex
> >>>>> indicated but a general feeling of male fits the posts.
> >>>>
> >>>> i have had to be more notably male on usenet over the years
> >>>> because of the number of people who assumed i was female.
> >>>
> >>> Yes, I have to remind folks now and again as 'cshenk' isn't obvious.
> >>> Graham isn't either.
> >>
> >> What the **** do you mean by that?
> >
> > While there are some ambiguous names, Graham certainly isn't one of them.
> >
> > Jill
> For the educated it is often a matter of spelling, for example:
> Francis - male
> Frances - female
>
> Goodness knows how his parents thought Evelyn was ok for Waugh, even if it
> was a second name.
That guy wrote the novel that was made into one of my favorite movies. I always thought the guy was a lady. Too bad!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjxUtL5xdyE