On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 09:20:11 -0500, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 1/4/2021 9:07 AM, Gary wrote:
>> Master Bruce wrote:
>>> Without going to Google or Wikipedia, I've never met or even heard of
>>> a woman who was actually called Sheila,
>
>Funny you mention that. I opened a box of very old photos and found my
>8th grade class picture. The folder was signed by some of my
>classmates, including Sheila. Only one I can recall. Had she not
>signed the folder I'd not have recalled her either.

Sheila was a populer girls name in the late 40s early 50s.

On Sunday, January 3, 2021 at 3:33:28 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2021-01-03 7:56 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> > On Sunday, January 3, 2021 at 2:28:44 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> >> It is a touchy topic these days. Goodness knows why, but some
> >> people want to keep their kid's sex a secret these days, maybe they
> >> are really looking for a sense of curiosity. When I go to one of
> >> the Canadian Tire stores in the area I always seem to end up with
> >> the same cashier, an androgynous young person. He was very feminine
> >> looking, or she was quite masculine area. It's dangerous to look at
> >> name tags these days because it may be mistaken for checking out
> >> boobs... Pat!!!!! argh
> >
> > My understanding is that it's a thing these days to have a party
> > before the kid is delivered. The purpose, of which, is to have the
> > baby's gender revealed. That's so goofy!
> > https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/10/s...es-cursed.html
> >
> That is one end of the spectrum At the other end is a Toronto couple who
> went to great lengths to conceal the gender of their child. They named
> the kid Storm.
>
>
> https://www.thestar.com/life/parent/...er_secret.html
The idea of letting a kid choose his/her gender role sounds like a good one. In the end, the kid will choose one anyway. I never raised my daughter to be a girly girl. In the end, she chose it for herself.

On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 12:59:47 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Sunday, January 3, 2021 at 3:33:28 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2021-01-03 7:56 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
>> > On Sunday, January 3, 2021 at 2:28:44 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> >> It is a touchy topic these days. Goodness knows why, but some
>> >> people want to keep their kid's sex a secret these days, maybe they
>> >> are really looking for a sense of curiosity. When I go to one of
>> >> the Canadian Tire stores in the area I always seem to end up with
>> >> the same cashier, an androgynous young person. He was very feminine
>> >> looking, or she was quite masculine area. It's dangerous to look at
>> >> name tags these days because it may be mistaken for checking out
>> >> boobs... Pat!!!!! argh
>> >
>> > My understanding is that it's a thing these days to have a party
>> > before the kid is delivered. The purpose, of which, is to have the
>> > baby's gender revealed. That's so goofy!
>> > https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/10/s...es-cursed.html
>> >
>> That is one end of the spectrum At the other end is a Toronto couple who
>> went to great lengths to conceal the gender of their child. They named
>> the kid Storm.
>>
>>
>> https://www.thestar.com/life/parent/...er_secret.html
>The idea of letting a kid choose his/her gender role sounds like a good one. In the end, the kid will choose one anyway. I never raised my daughter to be a girly girl. In the end, she chose it for herself.
>
Soon you may hear a knock on the door and a low voice saying "Dad?"
>

On 2021-01-04 3:59 p.m., dsi1 wrote:

>> https://www.thestar.com/life/parent/...er_secret.html
>
>>
The idea of letting a kid choose his/her gender role sounds like a good
one. In the end, the kid will choose one anyway. I never raised my
daughter to be a girly girl. In the end, she chose it for herself.
>


It is hard for a lot of people to grow into their sexuality. The very
least a parent can do is to expose then child to appropriate role
models, rather then setting them up for a life of abuse and uncertainty.

On Mon, 4 Jan 2021 16:46:22 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2021-01-04 3:59 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
>
>>> https://www.thestar.com/life/parent/...er_secret.html
>>
>>>
>The idea of letting a kid choose his/her gender role sounds like a good
>one. In the end, the kid will choose one anyway. I never raised my
>daughter to be a girly girl. In the end, she chose it for herself.
>>
>
>
>It is hard for a lot of people to grow into their sexuality. The very
>least a parent can do is to expose then child to appropriate role
>models, rather then setting them up for a life of abuse and uncertainty.

Define "appropriate role models'.

On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 11:44:34 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2021-01-04 3:59 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
>
> >> https://www.thestar.com/life/parent/...er_secret.html
> >
> >>
> The idea of letting a kid choose his/her gender role sounds like a good
> one. In the end, the kid will choose one anyway. I never raised my
> daughter to be a girly girl. In the end, she chose it for herself.
> >
> It is hard for a lot of people to grow into their sexuality. The very
> least a parent can do is to expose then child to appropriate role
> models, rather then setting them up for a life of abuse and uncertainty.
Kids have always been exposed to the roles and expectations appropriate to their gender. That has never been able to prevent lives of abuse or gender uncertainty.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8Y4-gmITT0

On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 4:44:34 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2021-01-04 3:59 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
>
> >> https://www.thestar.com/life/parent/...er_secret.html
> >
> >>
> The idea of letting a kid choose his/her gender role sounds like a good
> one. In the end, the kid will choose one anyway. I never raised my
> daughter to be a girly girl. In the end, she chose it for herself.
> >
> It is hard for a lot of people to grow into their sexuality. The very
> least a parent can do is to expose then child to appropriate role
> models, rather then setting them up for a life of abuse and uncertainty.

I'll admit I'd rather see my (theoretical) son playing with baby dolls than
Barbies. Baby dolls would at least provide some groundwork for future
fatherhood.

Actually, similar for a (theoretical) child of either sex. Barbies are corrosive.
Better a little tool kit. Or a chemistry set. Or other STEM activities.

One of my best toys was a set of wooden blocks where no two were the
same size or shape.

Cindy Hamilton

On 2021-01-05 6:13 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 4:44:34 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2021-01-04 3:59 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
>>
>>>> https://www.thestar.com/life/parent/...er_secret.html
>>>
>>>>
>> The idea of letting a kid choose his/her gender role sounds like a good
>> one. In the end, the kid will choose one anyway. I never raised my
>> daughter to be a girly girl. In the end, she chose it for herself.
>>>
>> It is hard for a lot of people to grow into their sexuality. The very
>> least a parent can do is to expose then child to appropriate role
>> models, rather then setting them up for a life of abuse and uncertainty.
>
> I'll admit I'd rather see my (theoretical) son playing with baby dolls than
> Barbies. Baby dolls would at least provide some groundwork for future
> fatherhood.
>

Ok, since it is admission time, I will admit that playing with Barbie
and buying into all that womanly appearance is more likely to increase
his chances of fathering a child ;-)


> Actually, similar for a (theoretical) child of either sex. Barbies are corrosive.
> Better a little tool kit. Or a chemistry set. Or other STEM activities.

Do they still sell chemistry sets? I almost burned the house down with
mine. At least I learned how to make gunpowder.



> One of my best toys was a set of wooden blocks where no two were the
> same size or shape.


Meccano sets were the ultimate when I was a kid. We started with Lincoln
Logs and Mini Bricks and worked our way up.

On Tuesday, January 5, 2021 at 10:14:36 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2021-01-05 6:13 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 4:44:34 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> On 2021-01-04 3:59 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> >>
> >>>> https://www.thestar.com/life/parent/...er_secret.html
> >>>
> >>>>
> >> The idea of letting a kid choose his/her gender role sounds like a good
> >> one. In the end, the kid will choose one anyway. I never raised my
> >> daughter to be a girly girl. In the end, she chose it for herself.
> >>>
> >> It is hard for a lot of people to grow into their sexuality. The very
> >> least a parent can do is to expose then child to appropriate role
> >> models, rather then setting them up for a life of abuse and uncertainty.
> >
> > I'll admit I'd rather see my (theoretical) son playing with baby dolls than
> > Barbies. Baby dolls would at least provide some groundwork for future
> > fatherhood.
> >
> Ok, since it is admission time, I will admit that playing with Barbie
> and buying into all that womanly appearance is more likely to increase
> his chances of fathering a child ;-)

Heh. Good one. Too bad the species had so much difficulty propagating itself
before the invention of the Barbie.

> > Actually, similar for a (theoretical) child of either sex. Barbies are corrosive.
> > Better a little tool kit. Or a chemistry set. Or other STEM activities.
> Do they still sell chemistry sets? I almost burned the house down with
> mine. At least I learned how to make gunpowder.
> > One of my best toys was a set of wooden blocks where no two were the
> > same size or shape.
> Meccano sets were the ultimate when I was a kid. We started with Lincoln
> Logs and Mini Bricks and worked our way up.

The great advantage to my mismatched blocks was that it required a lot
more engineering to actually build anything, since nothing fit together neatly.

Cindy Hamilton

On 1/5/2021 10:30 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 5, 2021 at 10:14:36 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2021-01-05 6:13 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Monday, January 4, 2021 at 4:44:34 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 2021-01-04 3:59 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.thestar.com/life/parent/...er_secret.html
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> The idea of letting a kid choose his/her gender role sounds like a good
>>>> one. In the end, the kid will choose one anyway. I never raised my
>>>> daughter to be a girly girl. In the end, she chose it for herself.
>>>>>
>>>> It is hard for a lot of people to grow into their sexuality. The very
>>>> least a parent can do is to expose then child to appropriate role
>>>> models, rather then setting them up for a life of abuse and uncertainty.
>>>
>>> I'll admit I'd rather see my (theoretical) son playing with baby dolls than
>>> Barbies. Baby dolls would at least provide some groundwork for future
>>> fatherhood.
>>>
>> Ok, since it is admission time, I will admit that playing with Barbie
>> and buying into all that womanly appearance is more likely to increase
>> his chances of fathering a child ;-)
>
> Heh. Good one. Too bad the species had so much difficulty propagating itself
> before the invention of the Barbie.
>
>>> Actually, similar for a (theoretical) child of either sex. Barbies are corrosive.
>>> Better a little tool kit. Or a chemistry set. Or other STEM activities.
>> Do they still sell chemistry sets? I almost burned the house down with
>> mine. At least I learned how to make gunpowder.
>>> One of my best toys was a set of wooden blocks where no two were the
>>> same size or shape.
>> Meccano sets were the ultimate when I was a kid. We started with Lincoln
>> Logs and Mini Bricks and worked our way up.
>
> The great advantage to my mismatched blocks was that it required a lot
> more engineering to actually build anything, since nothing fit together neatly.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

No wonder why you do so well here. You have lots of practice dealing
with misfits.

On 1/3/2021 5:52 PM, Graham wrote:
> On Sun, 3 Jan 2021 17:33:14 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> On 1/3/2021 5:07 PM, Leo wrote:
>>> On 2021 Jan 2, , Ed Pawlowski wrote
>>> (in article >):
>>>
>>>> https://datayze.com/name-uniqueness-analyzer
>>> Well, that´s a fun site! My name is just as popular as I thought it
>>> was.
>>>
>>
>> You came in 40 to my 348. (Edwin)
>
> Also my son's name.
>
According to that site, there were only 22 baby girls named Jill in 2019
in the US. Came in 5572nd.

I had an immediate supervisor whose name was Jill and there were two
other co-workers named Jill who worked in branch offices in other parts
of the country. My supervisor and I worked in the main office.
Sometimes the other two Jill's came to town for meetings. That could
get pretty confusing.

Jill

On 1/5/2021 10:30 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 5, 2021 at 10:14:36 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> Ok, since it is admission time, I will admit that playing with Barbie
>> and buying into all that womanly appearance is more likely to increase
>> his chances of fathering a child ;-)
>
> Heh. Good one. Too bad the species had so much difficulty propagating itself
> before the invention of the Barbie.
>
LOL somehow they managed. It wasn't so terribly long ago (most
recently, say the turn of the 20th century) the thought of a woman
showing her ankles in public was considered daring and sometimes
downright scandalous. Ooooh, she let me see her ankle!

>> Meccano sets were the ultimate when I was a kid. We started with Lincoln
>> Logs and Mini Bricks and worked our way up.
>
> The great advantage to my mismatched blocks was that it required a lot
> more engineering to actually build anything, since nothing fit together neatly.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
I liked Tinker Toys. I once built a Clipper Ship using Tinker Toys and
tied thread between them to show where the sails would be rigged. That
was fun.

Jill

On 1/3/2021 3:48 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
> On 03/01/2021 20:38, Ophelia wrote:
>> "S Viemeister"Â* wrote in message ...
>> On 03/01/2021 18:10, Master Bruce wrote:
>>> On Sat, 2 Jan 2021 19:18:47 +0000, S Viemeister
>>>> On 02/01/2021 19:02, Sheldon Martin wrote:
>>>>> first name for males, but not in the US.Â* In the US Graham is often a
>>>>> middle name as in Alexander Graham Bell.
>>>>>
>>>> Alexander Graham Bell was a Scotsman, born in Edinburgh.
>>>
>>> I wouldn't hold it against him. We have no control over where we're
>>> born.
>>>
>> Pfft.
>> I was born in Edinburgh!
>>
>> ===
>>
>> Â*Â*How long have you lived in USA?
>>
> More years than I've lived in Scotland - I married an American, and was
> away from Scotland for 25 years. Fortunately, he loves it here!
>
>
Do you still travel back and forth? I remember you were separated for a
time due to Covid so I'm going to guess the answer is yes.

Jill

On 06/01/2021 00:16, jmcquown wrote:

> Do you still travel back and forth?Â* I remember you were separated for a
> time due to Covid so I'm going to guess the answer is yes.
>
Neither of us has been able to travel, so we're still relying on Skype,
with Zoom for family holiday get-togethers.