On Sunday, January 17, 2021 at 9:50:43 AM UTC-5, wrote:
> On Saturday, January 16, 2021 at 10:35:25 AM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Saturday, January 16, 2021 at 11:15:04 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> > > On 2021-01-16 8:32 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > > Yep... 2 women vs one Leo. Best to go with the majority. heheh
> > > >
> > > > Apart from a possible Lysistrata gambit from one of the two, I don't
> > > > see why their gender comes into it. My husband hates peas so I
> > > > never put them in anything he's going to eat. Because I love him and
> > > > I want him to be happy.
> > > >
> > > There are some vegetables that I can understand people not liking. Peas
> > > is not one of them. Turnip, parnsip, chard.... sure. But not peas.
> > I'm not all that fond of peas. A few in something are fine. A whole serving
> > is just too much. Thus, it's not a big sacrifice to refrain from cooking with
> > them.
> >
> When I was a kid, I used to eat Campbell's Beef with Barley soup, and I
> always picked out every pea before heating it. I pick the peas out of
> Mexican rice too.

I hated peas when I was a child, mainly because they were always served
overcooked. I might pick them out of Campbell's soup if I ate it. (I don't
put them in my homemade soups.)

When we get peas in the rice at Indian restaurants my husband picks them
out and gives them to me. Same with mushrooms, which he also hates.

Cindy Hamilton

On 17/01/2021 13:50, songbird wrote:
> S Viemeister wrote:
>> On 17/01/2021 01:00, songbird wrote:
>>> i'm going on my 2nd year with a new type of pea pod i'd not
>>> grown before. my previous attempts i'd always gotten poor
>>> results, either the peas didn't even grow, or if they did they
>>> didn't get many pods on them, or if they got pods they didn'tn
>>> get enough seeds so i'd not have enough to replant.
>>> https://www.anthive.com/img/edibles/...d_Peas_thm.jpg
>>> these were large crunchy pods, plenty of pods and plenty of
>>> seeds.
>>> i had to send some of my seed crop back to the person who
>>> sent me the seeds because he had a crop failure last season
>>> so i was happy to be able to send him some back.
>>> hope to have a nice big patch of them this season and we'll
>>> see how it goes.
>> They are amazingly big! Someday, I'd love to try them.
>> I've always preferred to grow the edible pods - traditional peas seem
>> such a waste, although their pods make good compost...
> they're called Green Beauty, the pods are thin, but crunchy
> and juicy even when the seeds get larger, the plants can grow
> 6-8ft tall. you can see in the background some of the other
> pods and how thin they are, but they are good eats, i was
> having a hard time not eating them all when they showed up on
> the plants. the other nice things about them was that they
> were about 60 days and very productive in our heavy clay
> soils so i was very happy with them. really, just to have
> any snow pea work for me was great.
>
I've saved this post, for future use. Thank you.

dsi1 wrote:
> My suggestion is that you make your famous Karo pecan pie with
> or without a homemade crust but use Spam cubes instead of pecans.

A pecan pie using spam cubes instead of pecans? arrrgh
Was that a Twilight Zone episode that I've missed?

On Sun, 17 Jan 2021 09:35:18 +0000, S Viemeister wrote:

> On 17/01/2021 01:00, songbird wrote:
>>
>> i'm going on my 2nd year with a new type of pea pod i'd not
>> grown before. my previous attempts i'd always gotten poor
>> results, either the peas didn't even grow, or if they did they
>> didn't get many pods on them, or if they got pods they didn't
>> get enough seeds so i'd not have enough to replant.
>>
>> https://www.anthive.com/img/edibles/...d_Peas_thm.jpg
>>
>> these were large crunchy pods, plenty of pods and plenty of
>> seeds.
>>
>> i had to send some of my seed crop back to the person who
>> sent me the seeds because he had a crop failure last season
>> so i was happy to be able to send him some back.
>>
>> hope to have a nice big patch of them this season and we'll
>> see how it goes.
>>
> They are amazingly big! Someday, I'd love to try them.
> I've always preferred to grow the edible pods - traditional peas seem
> such a waste, although their pods make good compost...

When I was a teen, a local farmer made silage from pea plants (presumably
the peas went to Birds-Eye). The smell was unbelievable when a cart-load of
that stuff was driven through the village.

On Sun, 17 Jan 2021 06:50:39 -0800 (PST), Bryan Simmons
> wrote:

>On Saturday, January 16, 2021 at 10:35:25 AM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Saturday, January 16, 2021 at 11:15:04 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>> > On 2021-01-16 8:32 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> > > Yep... 2 women vs one Leo. Best to go with the majority. heheh
>> > >
>> > > Apart from a possible Lysistrata gambit from one of the two, I don't
>> > > see why their gender comes into it. My husband hates peas so I
>> > > never put them in anything he's going to eat. Because I love him and
>> > > I want him to be happy.
>> > >
>> > There are some vegetables that I can understand people not liking. Peas
>> > is not one of them. Turnip, parnsip, chard.... sure. But not peas.
>> I'm not all that fond of peas. A few in something are fine. A whole serving
>> is just too much. Thus, it's not a big sacrifice to refrain from cooking with
>> them.
>>
>When I was a kid, I used to eat Campbell's Beef with Barley soup, and I
>always picked out every pea before heating it. I pick the peas out of
>Mexican rice too.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
>--Bryan

You're fussy about eating peas but you savor canned soups.

I make beef barley shroom soup often but never with peas, never seen
such a concoction canned. Never seen Mexican rice with peas either,
usually with gandules.

Graham wrote:
....
> When I was a teen, a local farmer made silage from pea plants (presumably
> the peas went to Birds-Eye). The smell was unbelievable when a cart-load of
> that stuff was driven through the village.

hehe, i bet, fermenting greens can give off a reek, but properly
done sileage smells very sweet and good. the cows sure love it.

i grew up kitty corner from the neighbor's small
dairy farm, to me fresh country air always smells a
bit of cow poo. one year he tried to grow pigs
but the entire neighborhood told him that was the
first and last time for that, they stunk way too
much.

where we are at now one of the neighbors has pigs
but they are to the NE of us so rarely do we smell
them at all. i'd hate to be on the other side of
them.


songbird

On Sunday, January 17, 2021 at 6:12:50 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
> > My suggestion is that you make your famous Karo pecan pie with
> > or without a homemade crust but use Spam cubes instead of pecans.
> A pecan pie using spam cubes instead of pecans? arrrgh
> Was that a Twilight Zone episode that I've missed?

It's more "Outer Limits" than "Twilight Zone." You could always use cubed, canned, yams instead. You could use a lot of stuff.

On Sunday, January 17, 2021 at 10:13:05 AM UTC-6, Graham wrote:
>
> When I was a teen, a local farmer made silage from pea plants (presumably
> the peas went to Birds-Eye). The smell was unbelievable when a cart-load of
> that stuff was driven through the village.
>
Sorry, city girl here with trips to my grandfather's farm who by that time had pretty
much stopped farming. Was this smell of silage good or bad??

On Sun, 17 Jan 2021 09:47:38 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> wrote:

>On Sunday, January 17, 2021 at 6:12:50 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
>> dsi1 wrote:
>> > My suggestion is that you make your famous Karo pecan pie with
>> > or without a homemade crust but use Spam cubes instead of pecans.
>> A pecan pie using spam cubes instead of pecans? arrrgh
>> Was that a Twilight Zone episode that I've missed?
>
>It's more "Outer Limits" than "Twilight Zone." You could always use cubed, canned, yams instead.
>You could use a lot of stuff.

Cubed SPAM makes it Ukelele style... I'll eat a can of SPAM at least
once a week... I must be part Ukelele... I enjoy a graham cracker
crust pie filled with ground SPAM and crushed pineapple held together
with lime Jello.
Yesterday's lunch was chicken eggdrop soup with diced SPAM and crispy
Chinky noodles... was gonna open a can of Lychees for dessert but
thought I'd wait for a holiday occasion. Yoose gals want to know the
closest thing to oral sex with a woman eat fresh Lychee... but use
caution or yoose may turn ******* in under five minutes. LOL

On 2021-01-17 12:07 p.m., songbird wrote:
> Graham wrote:

> hehe, i bet, fermenting greens can give off a reek, but properly
> done sileage smells very sweet and good. the cows sure love it.
>
> i grew up kitty corner from the neighbor's small
> dairy farm, to me fresh country air always smells a
> bit of cow poo. one year he tried to grow pigs
> but the entire neighborhood told him that was the
> first and last time for that, they stunk way too
> much.

Cow manure is a common smell at my place. Living in a rural area you
have to get used to the smell of it. The nursery behind us uses large
quantities of manure, much if it being pretty fresh. They bring tons and
tons of it and dump it in the back and within a couple weeks they will
be back there spreading it.

> where we are at now one of the neighbors has pigs
> but they are to the NE of us so rarely do we smell
> them at all. i'd hate to be on the other side of
> them.
>

The first few years that we lived here our neighbours had chickens,
geese and pigs. It was only really bad on still, hot summer nights and
that smell would settle like a toxic fog.


Thank goodness he only had a half dozen pigs. I used to drive past a pig
farm to one of my jobs. In the warm weather (pre A/C) I had to remember
to roll my car windows up before I passed that farm because it would
take another 5 miles of driving to get the stick out of car.


If you want a really bad stench check out a chicken farm when they are
preparing for a new batch of chicks. Hatchlings are brought in my the
thousands. They go into big open barns with heat lamps, water and feed.
They eat, shit and grow for about two months before it is time for
slaughter. The chicken catchers go in, catch the birds and stick them
into cages to be loaded onto trucks.

Then it is time to clean the barn for the next batch. They send in front
end loaders to scrap up all the shit. I don't know how those guys do it
because you can smell a barn cleaning from miles away.


The agricultural stink that people complain about most around here is
the pot farms. Personally, I don't find the smell of pot to be
particularly offensive, but it is pretty strong. I can smell it
frequently at my house and the closest grow ups are at least two miles
from me.
>

On Sun, 17 Jan 2021 11:25:29 -0800 (PST), wrote:

> On Sunday, January 17, 2021 at 10:13:05 AM UTC-6, Graham wrote:
>>
>> When I was a teen, a local farmer made silage from pea plants (presumably
>> the peas went to Birds-Eye). The smell was unbelievable when a cart-load of
>> that stuff was driven through the village.
>>
> Sorry, city girl here with trips to my grandfather's farm who by that time had pretty
> much stopped farming. Was this smell of silage good or bad??

It would take your breath away!

On Sunday, January 17, 2021 at 1:39:54 PM UTC-6, Graham wrote:
>
> On Sun, 17 Jan 2021 11:25:29 -0800 (PST), wrote:
>
> >> When I was a teen, a local farmer made silage from pea plants (presumably
> >> the peas went to Birds-Eye). The smell was unbelievable when a cart-load of
> >> that stuff was driven through the village.
> >>
> > Sorry, city girl here with trips to my grandfather's farm who by that time had pretty
> > much stopped farming. Was this smell of silage good or bad??
> >
> It would take your breath away!
>
Ok, I'll take your word for it!

On Sun, 17 Jan 2021 14:36:16 -0500, Dave Smith wrote:

> On 2021-01-17 12:07 p.m., songbird wrote:
>> Graham wrote:
>
>> hehe, i bet, fermenting greens can give off a reek, but properly
>> done sileage smells very sweet and good. the cows sure love it.
>>
>> i grew up kitty corner from the neighbor's small
>> dairy farm, to me fresh country air always smells a
>> bit of cow poo. one year he tried to grow pigs
>> but the entire neighborhood told him that was the
>> first and last time for that, they stunk way too
>> much.
>
> Cow manure is a common smell at my place. Living in a rural area you
> have to get used to the smell of it. The nursery behind us uses large
> quantities of manure, much if it being pretty fresh. They bring tons and
> tons of it and dump it in the back and within a couple weeks they will
> be back there spreading it.
>
>> where we are at now one of the neighbors has pigs
>> but they are to the NE of us so rarely do we smell
>> them at all. i'd hate to be on the other side of
>> them.
>>
>
> The first few years that we lived here our neighbours had chickens,
> geese and pigs. It was only really bad on still, hot summer nights and
> that smell would settle like a toxic fog.
>
>
> Thank goodness he only had a half dozen pigs. I used to drive past a pig
> farm to one of my jobs. In the warm weather (pre A/C) I had to remember
> to roll my car windows up before I passed that farm because it would
> take another 5 miles of driving to get the stick out of car.
>
>
> If you want a really bad stench check out a chicken farm when they are
> preparing for a new batch of chicks. Hatchlings are brought in my the
> thousands. They go into big open barns with heat lamps, water and feed.
> They eat, shit and grow for about two months before it is time for
> slaughter. The chicken catchers go in, catch the birds and stick them
> into cages to be loaded onto trucks.
>
> Then it is time to clean the barn for the next batch. They send in front
> end loaders to scrap up all the shit. I don't know how those guys do it
> because you can smell a barn cleaning from miles away.
>
>
> The agricultural stink that people complain about most around here is
> the pot farms. Personally, I don't find the smell of pot to be
> particularly offensive, but it is pretty strong. I can smell it
> frequently at my house and the closest grow ups are at least two miles
> from me.
>>

My son lives in a rural area and can't drink his well water. The
groundwater for miles around has been contaminated by leaching of pig
manure spread on the fields by major pig operations, all run by Mennonites
it seems.

On Sunday, January 17, 2021 at 9:27:02 AM UTC-10, Sheldon wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Jan 2021 09:47:38 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> > wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, January 17, 2021 at 6:12:50 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> >> dsi1 wrote:
> >> > My suggestion is that you make your famous Karo pecan pie with
> >> > or without a homemade crust but use Spam cubes instead of pecans.
> >> A pecan pie using spam cubes instead of pecans? arrrgh
> >> Was that a Twilight Zone episode that I've missed?
> >
> >It's more "Outer Limits" than "Twilight Zone." You could always use cubed, canned, yams instead.
> >You could use a lot of stuff.
> Cubed SPAM makes it Ukelele style... I'll eat a can of SPAM at least
> once a week... I must be part Ukelele... I enjoy a graham cracker
> crust pie filled with ground SPAM and crushed pineapple held together
> with lime Jello.
> Yesterday's lunch was chicken eggdrop soup with diced SPAM and crispy
> Chinky noodles... was gonna open a can of Lychees for dessert but
> thought I'd wait for a holiday occasion. Yoose gals want to know the
> closest thing to oral sex with a woman eat fresh Lychee... but use
> caution or yoose may turn ******* in under five minutes. LOL
Eccch... that's pretty awful!

On Sunday, January 17, 2021 at 10:27:26 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Sunday, January 17, 2021 at 9:50:43 AM UTC-5, wrote:
> > On Saturday, January 16, 2021 at 10:35:25 AM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > On Saturday, January 16, 2021 at 11:15:04 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> > > > On 2021-01-16 8:32 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > > > Yep... 2 women vs one Leo. Best to go with the majority. heheh
> > > > >
> > > > > Apart from a possible Lysistrata gambit from one of the two, I don't
> > > > > see why their gender comes into it. My husband hates peas so I
> > > > > never put them in anything he's going to eat. Because I love him and
> > > > > I want him to be happy.
> > > > >
> > > > There are some vegetables that I can understand people not liking. Peas
> > > > is not one of them. Turnip, parnsip, chard.... sure. But not peas.
> > > I'm not all that fond of peas. A few in something are fine. A whole serving
> > > is just too much. Thus, it's not a big sacrifice to refrain from cooking with
> > > them.
> > >
> > When I was a kid, I used to eat Campbell's Beef with Barley soup, and I
> > always picked out every pea before heating it. I pick the peas out of
> > Mexican rice too.
>
> I hated peas when I was a child, mainly because they were always served
> overcooked. I might pick them out of Campbell's soup if I ate it. (I don't
> put them in my homemade soups.)
>
> When we get peas in the rice at Indian restaurants my husband picks them
> out and gives them to me. Same with mushrooms, which he also hates.

Peas soaked overnight and slow cooked all day with smoked ham bits is great!

On 2021 Jan 16, , Dave Smith wrote
(in article >):

> I always despised parsnips but had only had them boiled. My wife tried
> roasting then it is a whole new vegetable. I quite enjoy roasted
> turnips. After a few years of eating them roasted I tried then boiled
> again. Yuck. They were just as bad as I remembered them being.

Five or ten years ago, almost certainly from a parsnip thread here, I bought
some parsnips and cooked them in an uninspired way. They tasted like wannabe,
quarter-way there in flavor, carrots.
Hmm...maybe it was something else. Does anything else have the flavor of a
carrot that has been simmered all day?

On 2021 Jan 16, , dsi1 wrote
(in >):

> My suggestion is that you make your famous Karo pecan pie with or without a
> homemade crust but use Spam cubes instead of pecans. What could be better? Ha
> ha, beats me why my pie crust looks so goofy.
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/hpsH4ayQnJdJ8yvg6

I'd eat that, but not for dessert. A slice of spam pie, a slice of pecan pie
and an insulin shot. What´s not to like?

On Monday, January 18, 2021 at 2:00:13 PM UTC-10, Leo wrote:
> On 2021 Jan 16, , dsi1 wrote
> (in >):
> > My suggestion is that you make your famous Karo pecan pie with or without a
> > homemade crust but use Spam cubes instead of pecans. What could be better? Ha
> > ha, beats me why my pie crust looks so goofy.
> > https://photos.app.goo.gl/hpsH4ayQnJdJ8yvg6
> I'd eat that, but not for dessert. A slice of spam pie, a slice of pecan pie
> and an insulin shot. What´s not to like?
Make a Spam, pecan, and corn, pie and you got yourself a three course meal. Four, if you count the insulin shot.

On Monday, January 18, 2021 at 6:54:03 PM UTC-5, Leo wrote:
> On 2021 Jan 16, , Dave Smith wrote
> (in article >):
> > I always despised parsnips but had only had them boiled. My wife tried
> > roasting then it is a whole new vegetable. I quite enjoy roasted
> > turnips. After a few years of eating them roasted I tried then boiled
> > again. Yuck. They were just as bad as I remembered them being.
> Five or ten years ago, almost certainly from a parsnip thread here, I bought
> some parsnips and cooked them in an uninspired way. They tasted like wannabe,
> quarter-way there in flavor, carrots.
> Hmm...maybe it was something else. Does anything else have the flavor of a
> carrot that has been simmered all day?

I haven't had parsnips in a long time, but I recall their flavor was reminiscent
of carrots.

Cindy Hamilton

"Cindy Hamilton" wrote in message
...

On Monday, January 18, 2021 at 6:54:03 PM UTC-5, Leo wrote:
> On 2021 Jan 16, , Dave Smith wrote
> (in article >):
> > I always despised parsnips but had only had them boiled. My wife tried
> > roasting then it is a whole new vegetable. I quite enjoy roasted
> > turnips. After a few years of eating them roasted I tried then boiled
> > again. Yuck. They were just as bad as I remembered them being.
> Five or ten years ago, almost certainly from a parsnip thread here, I
> bought
> some parsnips and cooked them in an uninspired way. They tasted like
> wannabe,
> quarter-way there in flavor, carrots.
> Hmm...maybe it was something else. Does anything else have the flavor of a
> carrot that has been simmered all day?

I haven't had parsnips in a long time, but I recall their flavor was
reminiscent
of carrots.

Cindy Hamilton

===

I never make them raw. Roasted, they are very good!

They don't taste like carrots to me!

On Tuesday, January 19, 2021 at 6:08:03 AM UTC-5, Ophelia wrote:
> "Cindy Hamilton" wrote in message
> ...
> On Monday, January 18, 2021 at 6:54:03 PM UTC-5, Leo wrote:
> > On 2021 Jan 16, , Dave Smith wrote
> > (in article >):
> > > I always despised parsnips but had only had them boiled. My wife tried
> > > roasting then it is a whole new vegetable. I quite enjoy roasted
> > > turnips. After a few years of eating them roasted I tried then boiled
> > > again. Yuck. They were just as bad as I remembered them being.
> > Five or ten years ago, almost certainly from a parsnip thread here, I
> > bought
> > some parsnips and cooked them in an uninspired way. They tasted like
> > wannabe,
> > quarter-way there in flavor, carrots.
> > Hmm...maybe it was something else. Does anything else have the flavor of a
> > carrot that has been simmered all day?
>
> I haven't had parsnips in a long time, but I recall their flavor was
> reminiscent
> of carrots.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
> ===
>
> I never make them raw. Roasted, they are very good!
>
> They don't taste like carrots to me!

Did I say anything about raw?

Parsnips and carrots are closely related. I'd be surprised if they
didn't taste somewhat like one another. Note "reminiscent" and
"somewhat". Not identical.

If I run across any good-looking parsnips perhaps I will conduct the
experiment again.

Cindy Hamilton

On Tue, 19 Jan 2021 "Ophelia" wrote:
>"Cindy Hamilton" wrote in message
>On Monday, January 18, 2021 Leo wrote:
>> On 2021 Jan 16, , Dave Smith wrote:
>> > I always despised parsnips but had only had them boiled. My wife tried
>> > roasting then it is a whole new vegetable. I quite enjoy roasted
>> > turnips. After a few years of eating them roasted I tried then boiled
>> > again. Yuck. They were just as bad as I remembered them being.
>> Five or ten years ago, almost certainly from a parsnip thread here, I
>> bought
>> some parsnips and cooked them in an uninspired way. They tasted like
>> wannabe,
>> quarter-way there in flavor, carrots.
>> Hmm...maybe it was something else. Does anything else have the flavor of a
>> carrot that has been simmered all day?
>
>I haven't had parsnips in a long time, but I recall their flavor was
>reminiscent
>of carrots.
>
>Cindy Hamilton
>
>===
>
> I never make them raw. Roasted, they are very good!
> They don't taste like carrots to me!

They don't taste like carrots to me either. I don't like the texture
of parsnips but their flavor is what makes chicken soup perfect. I
cut a small one into quarters lengthwise and add it to the pot of soup
for its flavor, then toss it. I consider a parsnip an herb to be
tossed after it's flavor has been extracted... I haven't looked it up
but I don't think parsnips contain much nutritional value... I use
parsnips like bay leaves.
I read somewhere that parsnips can grow quite large and in the UK they
have a contest for growing the largest... I believe that the Scottish
women are the official judges of parsnip size.

"Cindy Hamilton" wrote in message
...

On Tuesday, January 19, 2021 at 6:08:03 AM UTC-5, Ophelia wrote:
> "Cindy Hamilton" wrote in message
> ...
> On Monday, January 18, 2021 at 6:54:03 PM UTC-5, Leo wrote:
> > On 2021 Jan 16, , Dave Smith wrote
> > (in article >):
> > > I always despised parsnips but had only had them boiled. My wife tried
> > > roasting then it is a whole new vegetable. I quite enjoy roasted
> > > turnips. After a few years of eating them roasted I tried then boiled
> > > again. Yuck. They were just as bad as I remembered them being.
> > Five or ten years ago, almost certainly from a parsnip thread here, I
> > bought
> > some parsnips and cooked them in an uninspired way. They tasted like
> > wannabe,
> > quarter-way there in flavor, carrots.
> > Hmm...maybe it was something else. Does anything else have the flavor of
> > a
> > carrot that has been simmered all day?
>
> I haven't had parsnips in a long time, but I recall their flavor was
> reminiscent
> of carrots.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
> ===
>
> I never make them raw. Roasted, they are very good!
>
> They don't taste like carrots to me!

Did I say anything about raw?

Parsnips and carrots are closely related. I'd be surprised if they
didn't taste somewhat like one another. Note "reminiscent" and
"somewhat". Not identical.

If I run across any good-looking parsnips perhaps I will conduct the
experiment again.

Cindy Hamilton

====

Perhaps you ought! Think about what you will sprinkle on them ..