On Saturday, January 16, 2021 at 5:32:08 PM UTC-10, wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Jan 2021 18:29:57 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> > wrote:
>
> >On Saturday, January 16, 2021 at 4:12:06 PM UTC-10, wrote:
> >> On Saturday, January 16, 2021 at 7:48:24 PM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
> >> ...
> >> > Keep a lookout for my new line of "Backup Foods(tm)" in a store near
> >> > you! Along with my soon-to-be-released, "You Wouldn't Believe Its
> >> > Not Meat!(tm)" line of "100% vegetarian animal-based foods(tm)".
> >> >
> >> > -sw
> >> Plant based is not new. This is:
> >>
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mi5EfhPGHg4
> >>
> >> Culture grown meat from meat stem cells. Very possible just not widely done yet!
> >>
> >> I'd eat it!
> >>
> >>
> >> John Kuthe, RN. BSN...
> >
> >I saw that coming some time back. These days, I'm not so sure that it's going to make sense from an economic and market stand point. My guess is that cultured chicken might work to make the ubiquitous chicken nugget. Kids seem to love that stuff.
> >https://groups.google.com/g/rec.food...m/lTIRutW2vWsJ
> >
> >Today, for lunch I had happy fried chicken. I call it "happy" because it has no bones to pick. It's coated with my Southern fried flour. It's seasoned with salt, pepper, garlic powder. and MSG.
> >https://photos.app.goo.gl/HNxwNeuT18kVR6qa9
> I like bones.
I like Southern fried chicken but in my state of depression, I'm not up to frying up thighs with bones. Boneless thighs are pretty much the chicken of Hawaii and certain Asian countries. This is just Southern fried chicken done in a Hawaiian style.

On Sunday, January 17, 2021 at 12:44:39 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> ...
> On Saturday, January 16, 2021 at 4:12:06 PM UTC-10,
> wrote:
> > On Saturday, January 16, 2021 at 7:48:24 PM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
> > ...
> > > Keep a lookout for my new line of "Backup Foods(tm)" in a store near
> > > you! Along with my soon-to-be-released, "You Wouldn't Believe Its
> > > Not Meat!(tm)" line of "100% vegetarian animal-based foods(tm)".
> > >
> > > -sw
> > Plant based is not new. This is:
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mi5EfhPGHg4
> >
> > Culture grown meat from meat stem cells. Very possible just not widely
> > done yet!
> >
> > I'd eat it!
> >
> >
> > John Kuthe, RN. BSN...
>
> I saw that coming some time back. These days, I'm not so sure that it's
> going to make sense from an economic and market stand point. My guess is
> that cultured chicken might work to make the ubiquitous chicken nugget. Kids
> seem to love that stuff.
> https://groups.google.com/g/rec.food...m/lTIRutW2vWsJ
>
> Today, for lunch I had happy fried chicken. I call it "happy" because it has
> no bones to pick. It's coated with my Southern fried flour. It's seasoned
> with salt, pepper, garlic powder. and MSG.
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/HNxwNeuT18kVR6qa9
> ===
>
> Yum that looks lovely I have MSG but I never notice a difference in
> flavour when I use it or not.
It's pretty easy for me to detect in certain foods. If potato/mac salad doesn't have MSG, it feels like there's a big hole in the flavor. At the local restaurants it's about 50/50 with MSG/no MSG. My guess is that people don't put MSG in potato salad on the mainland.

On Sun, 17 Jan 2021 17:31:17 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> wrote:

>On Sunday, January 17, 2021 at 12:44:39 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>> "dsi1" wrote in message
>> ...
>> On Saturday, January 16, 2021 at 4:12:06 PM UTC-10,
>> wrote:
>> > On Saturday, January 16, 2021 at 7:48:24 PM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
>> > ...
>> > > Keep a lookout for my new line of "Backup Foods(tm)" in a store near
>> > > you! Along with my soon-to-be-released, "You Wouldn't Believe Its
>> > > Not Meat!(tm)" line of "100% vegetarian animal-based foods(tm)".
>> > >
>> > > -sw
>> > Plant based is not new. This is:
>> >
>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mi5EfhPGHg4
>> >
>> > Culture grown meat from meat stem cells. Very possible just not widely
>> > done yet!
>> >
>> > I'd eat it!
>> >
>> >
>> > John Kuthe, RN. BSN...
>>
>> I saw that coming some time back. These days, I'm not so sure that it's
>> going to make sense from an economic and market stand point. My guess is
>> that cultured chicken might work to make the ubiquitous chicken nugget. Kids
>> seem to love that stuff.
>> https://groups.google.com/g/rec.food...m/lTIRutW2vWsJ
>>
>> Today, for lunch I had happy fried chicken. I call it "happy" because it has
>> no bones to pick. It's coated with my Southern fried flour. It's seasoned
>> with salt, pepper, garlic powder. and MSG.
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/HNxwNeuT18kVR6qa9
>> ===
>>
>> Yum that looks lovely I have MSG but I never notice a difference in
>> flavour when I use it or not.
>It's pretty easy for me to detect in certain foods. If potato/mac salad doesn't have MSG, it feels like there's a big hole in the flavor. At the local restaurants it's about 50/50 with MSG/no MSG. My guess is that people don't put MSG in potato salad on the mainland.

None of them? I thought the US was almost as much of a melting pot as
Australia.

Master Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Jan 2021 20:03:18 -0500, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 1/17/2021 11:35 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2021-01-17 11:09 a.m., Graham wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yet I would wager that veggies decry the consumption of processed foods.
>>>>
>>> Â*Funny how that works. My friend and his wife don't eat much meat. When
>>> that new vegetable based faux meat was being flogged last year they were
>>> going to try it. However, they looked at the ingredient list and were
>>> appalled at the chemical content.
>>>
>> I've been pointing out the outrageous chemical ingredients in plant
>> based faux meat for a couple of decades. Boca Burgers and Morningstar
>> Farms faux meat products have been around for a long time. Funny, after
>> a big push by Burger King for their "plant based" burgers, the ads have
>> all but disappeared.
>
> It's funny that RFC never cares about ingredients, as long as it fits
> in the piehole. But bring up meat replacements and they're suddenly
> very worried about ingredients. Ghe ghe.
>

<*SNIFF*>

On Sunday, January 17, 2021 at 3:33:41 PM UTC-5, Master Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Jan 2021 12:29:35 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, January 17, 2021 at 1:37:47 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
> >
> >> There are several vegetarian burgers that most would enjoy more than a
> >> fake veggie burger... potato latkas satisfy burgers and fries... fried
> >> eggplant does the veggie thing for me... thick slabs of grilled
> >> overgrown zukes with pasta sauce on a bun makes for more than an
> >> acceptable burger.
> >
> >None of which have any protein to speak of.
> >
> >I'd rather have falafel.
> I've never thought to myself: "That was nice, but not enough protein".

Don't you think about the nutritional content of your meals? Do you
eat anything that will fit into your piehole?

Cindy Hamilton

On Sunday, January 17, 2021 at 8:31:21 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> On Sunday, January 17, 2021 at 12:44:39 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> > "dsi1" wrote in message
> > ...
> > On Saturday, January 16, 2021 at 4:12:06 PM UTC-10,
> > wrote:
> > > On Saturday, January 16, 2021 at 7:48:24 PM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
> > > ...
> > > > Keep a lookout for my new line of "Backup Foods(tm)" in a store near
> > > > you! Along with my soon-to-be-released, "You Wouldn't Believe Its
> > > > Not Meat!(tm)" line of "100% vegetarian animal-based foods(tm)".
> > > >
> > > > -sw
> > > Plant based is not new. This is:
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mi5EfhPGHg4
> > >
> > > Culture grown meat from meat stem cells. Very possible just not widely
> > > done yet!
> > >
> > > I'd eat it!
> > >
> > >
> > > John Kuthe, RN. BSN...
> >
> > I saw that coming some time back. These days, I'm not so sure that it's
> > going to make sense from an economic and market stand point. My guess is
> > that cultured chicken might work to make the ubiquitous chicken nugget. Kids
> > seem to love that stuff.
> > https://groups.google.com/g/rec.food...m/lTIRutW2vWsJ
> >
> > Today, for lunch I had happy fried chicken. I call it "happy" because it has
> > no bones to pick. It's coated with my Southern fried flour. It's seasoned
> > with salt, pepper, garlic powder. and MSG.
> > https://photos.app.goo.gl/HNxwNeuT18kVR6qa9
> > ===
> >
> > Yum that looks lovely I have MSG but I never notice a difference in
> > flavour when I use it or not.
> It's pretty easy for me to detect in certain foods. If potato/mac salad doesn't have MSG, it feels like there's a big hole in the flavor. At the local restaurants it's about 50/50 with MSG/no MSG. My guess is that people don't put MSG in potato salad on the mainland.

People? No. Corporations? Yes.

Cindy Hamilton

On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 01:45:44 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Sunday, January 17, 2021 at 3:33:41 PM UTC-5, Master Bruce wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Jan 2021 12:29:35 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Sunday, January 17, 2021 at 1:37:47 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>> >
>> >> There are several vegetarian burgers that most would enjoy more than a
>> >> fake veggie burger... potato latkas satisfy burgers and fries... fried
>> >> eggplant does the veggie thing for me... thick slabs of grilled
>> >> overgrown zukes with pasta sauce on a bun makes for more than an
>> >> acceptable burger.
>> >
>> >None of which have any protein to speak of.
>> >
>> >I'd rather have falafel.
>> I've never thought to myself: "That was nice, but not enough protein".
>
>Don't you think about the nutritional content of your meals? Do you
>eat anything that will fit into your piehole?

I want to like the flavour, I want enough vegetables and I don't want
to be hungry afterwards. But I don't have a specific daily need for
protein that I'm aware of. Maybe that's because I always get enough of
it.

On Monday, January 18, 2021 at 5:07:51 AM UTC-5, Master Bruce wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 01:45:44 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, January 17, 2021 at 3:33:41 PM UTC-5, Master Bruce wrote:
> >> On Sun, 17 Jan 2021 12:29:35 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Sunday, January 17, 2021 at 1:37:47 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> There are several vegetarian burgers that most would enjoy more than a
> >> >> fake veggie burger... potato latkas satisfy burgers and fries... fried
> >> >> eggplant does the veggie thing for me... thick slabs of grilled
> >> >> overgrown zukes with pasta sauce on a bun makes for more than an
> >> >> acceptable burger.
> >> >
> >> >None of which have any protein to speak of.
> >> >
> >> >I'd rather have falafel.
> >> I've never thought to myself: "That was nice, but not enough protein".
> >
> >Don't you think about the nutritional content of your meals? Do you
> >eat anything that will fit into your piehole?
> I want to like the flavour, I want enough vegetables and I don't want
> to be hungry afterwards. But I don't have a specific daily need for
> protein that I'm aware of. Maybe that's because I always get enough of
> it.

For sedentary men: 0.8 grams of protein per kilogram of body mass per day.

Swordfish (as an example) contains 20 grams of protein per 85 grams.

I try to ensure that every meal has protein (meat, fish, eggs, dairy), fruit
or vegetables, and--because I like it--starch.

It's trivially easy to produce good flavors; I don't worry about that.

Cindy Hamilton

dsi1 wrote:
....
> It's pretty easy for me to detect in certain foods. If potato/mac salad doesn't have MSG, it feels like there's a big hole in the flavor. At the local restaurants it's about 50/50 with MSG/no MSG. My guess is that people don't put MSG in potato salad on the mainland.

never. it gives me headaches if too much is added to things.
right now the only thing we eat that has some in it is the
mushroom soup.


songbird

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
....
> For sedentary men: 0.8 grams of protein per kilogram of body mass per day.

it is pretty rare in the USoA for people to not get enough
protein.

with the assumption that how much of that is fat? in my
case i'm carrying a few extra lbs, but anyways that's a lot
more than i get, especially in the winter and i don't notice
a problem having less.

in the summer when i'm more active i can double or triple
my diet of calories and protein and it works out well.


> Swordfish (as an example) contains 20 grams of protein per 85 grams.
>
> I try to ensure that every meal has protein (meat, fish, eggs, dairy), fruit
> or vegetables, and--because I like it--starch.
>
> It's trivially easy to produce good flavors; I don't worry about that.

i just make sure i eat a variety of things and it all works
out ok.


songbird

On 1/18/2021 4:45 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Sunday, January 17, 2021 at 3:33:41 PM UTC-5, Master Bruce wrote:
>> I've never thought to myself: "That was nice, but not enough protein".
>
> Don't you think about the nutritional content of your meals? Do you
> eat anything that will fit into your piehole?

A balanced diet can be a daily thing, not necessarily a "per meal" issue
unless you have diabetes or something else heinous.

On Monday, January 18, 2021 at 8:23:46 AM UTC-5, songbird wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> ...
> > For sedentary men: 0.8 grams of protein per kilogram of body mass per day.
> it is pretty rare in the USoA for people to not get enough
> protein.

Possibly. I just estimated my protein intake. The obvious sources (milk, cheese,
meat, yogurt) add up to about 35 grams per day for me. The unobvious sources
might give me another 10 grams, tops. Let's call it 5 to be safe. That's 40 grams
on an average day. The CDC recommends between 51 and 177 grams per
day for my age, BMI, and activity level. That huge range kind of makes me wonder,
though.

Looks like a little more protein would be good for me.

Cindy Hamilton

Master Bruce wrote:
> Gary wrote:
>
>> Master Bruce wrote:
>>> I've liked the fake "meats" I've tried recently, both the very
>>> expensive Beyond Meat and a much cheaper chickpea and zucchini based
>>> "meat". They all tasted like a McDonald's hamburger to me.
>>
>> No they didn't. Only McDonalds hamburgers taste like McDonald's
>> hamburgers. That's why they are so successful, like it or not.
>
> I never minded McDonalds hamburgers taste-wise. They tasted a bit like
> baby food, but not bad.

Interesting. Back in the early-mid 1970's we would often go on weekend
surfing trips to Cape Hatteras, NC. About 150 miles away but the waves
were always better there.

Back then, it was wilderness. No motels or restaurants. Only a small
general store, and 10 miles a way a movie theater that only showed one
movie per night. We camped in a tent or just slept in the van.

I always bought a bunch of baby food (in the small jars) and that was my
food for the weekend. lol At the time, food was just a necessity. The
surfing was the main event there.


> But the meat flavour hardly mattered with all
> the other additions. It would taste as good to me with fake meat.

Many years ago, I bought a pack of veggie burgers. Gartenburgers.
I never tasted it plain but I would put one on a bun with all the
condiments plus onion lettuce tomato. Tasted pretty good to me.

OK...this is odd. I just looked those up and there is no mention of them
on Google. I was sure the name was right. These were veggie burgers sold
like 20 years ago. I bought some, dammit.

Master Bruce wrote:
> Yes, beans can be a good meat replacement. Unless you need a bloody
> steak every day and enjoy the taste of heated up blood, I guess.

White mushrooms cut into 1/2" chunks (not thin sliced) are a decent meat
substitute in many dishes. They don't taste like meat but the texture is
similar.

On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 03:11:13 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Monday, January 18, 2021 at 5:07:51 AM UTC-5, Master Bruce wrote:
>> On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 01:45:44 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >Don't you think about the nutritional content of your meals? Do you
>> >eat anything that will fit into your piehole?
>> I want to like the flavour, I want enough vegetables and I don't want
>> to be hungry afterwards. But I don't have a specific daily need for
>> protein that I'm aware of. Maybe that's because I always get enough of
>> it.
>
>For sedentary men: 0.8 grams of protein per kilogram of body mass per day.
>
>Swordfish (as an example) contains 20 grams of protein per 85 grams.
>
>I try to ensure that every meal has protein (meat, fish, eggs, dairy), fruit
>or vegetables, and--because I like it--starch.
>
>It's trivially easy to produce good flavors; I don't worry about that.

Nevertheless, you worry about something I never worry about. Maybe I'd
worry about eating enough protein during a famine.

On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 08:23:29 -0500, songbird >
wrote:

>Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>...
>> For sedentary men: 0.8 grams of protein per kilogram of body mass per day.
>
> it is pretty rare in the USoA for people to not get enough
>protein.
>
> with the assumption that how much of that is fat? in my
>case i'm carrying a few extra lbs, but anyways that's a lot
>more than i get, especially in the winter and i don't notice
>a problem having less.
>
> in the summer when i'm more active i can double or triple
>my diet of calories and protein and it works out well.
>
>
>> Swordfish (as an example) contains 20 grams of protein per 85 grams.
>>
>> I try to ensure that every meal has protein (meat, fish, eggs, dairy), fruit
>> or vegetables, and--because I like it--starch.
>>
>> It's trivially easy to produce good flavors; I don't worry about that.
>
> i just make sure i eat a variety of things and it all works
>out ok.

Yes, it sorts itself out automatically. Just make sure you don't go on
a carrot diet or a sherry diet or something extreme like that.

On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 05:50:37 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Monday, January 18, 2021 at 8:23:46 AM UTC-5, songbird wrote:
>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> ...
>> > For sedentary men: 0.8 grams of protein per kilogram of body mass per day.
>> it is pretty rare in the USoA for people to not get enough
>> protein.
>
>Possibly. I just estimated my protein intake. The obvious sources (milk, cheese,
>meat, yogurt) add up to about 35 grams per day for me. The unobvious sources
>might give me another 10 grams, tops. Let's call it 5 to be safe. That's 40 grams
>on an average day. The CDC recommends between 51 and 177 grams per
>day for my age, BMI, and activity level. That huge range kind of makes me wonder,
>though.
>
>Looks like a little more protein would be good for me.

Oh no!

On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 09:03:05 -0500, Gary > wrote:

> Master Bruce wrote:
>> Gary wrote:
>>
>>> Master Bruce wrote:
>>>> I've liked the fake "meats" I've tried recently, both the very
>>>> expensive Beyond Meat and a much cheaper chickpea and zucchini based
>>>> "meat". They all tasted like a McDonald's hamburger to me.
>>>
>>> No they didn't. Only McDonalds hamburgers taste like McDonald's
>>> hamburgers. That's why they are so successful, like it or not.
>>
>> I never minded McDonalds hamburgers taste-wise. They tasted a bit like
>> baby food, but not bad.

Actually, the bun was probably largely to blame for that. Crappy
bread.

>Interesting. Back in the early-mid 1970's we would often go on weekend
>surfing trips to Cape Hatteras, NC. About 150 miles away but the waves
>were always better there.
>
>Back then, it was wilderness. No motels or restaurants. Only a small
>general store, and 10 miles a way a movie theater that only showed one
>movie per night. We camped in a tent or just slept in the van.
>
>I always bought a bunch of baby food (in the small jars) and that was my
>food for the weekend. lol At the time, food was just a necessity. The
>surfing was the main event there.
>
>> But the meat flavour hardly mattered with all
>> the other additions. It would taste as good to me with fake meat.

Yes, that's my experience too.

>Many years ago, I bought a pack of veggie burgers. Gartenburgers.
>I never tasted it plain but I would put one on a bun with all the
>condiments plus onion lettuce tomato. Tasted pretty good to me.
>
>OK...this is odd. I just looked those up and there is no mention of them
>on Google. I was sure the name was right. These were veggie burgers sold
>like 20 years ago. I bought some, dammit.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gardenburger>

dsi1 wrote:
> It's pretty easy for me to detect in certain foods.
> If potato/mac salad doesn't have MSG, it feels like
> there's a big hole in the flavor. At the local restaurants
> it's about 50/50 with MSG/no MSG
> My guess is that people don't put MSG in potato salad on the mainland.

I never make potato salad. I do like the flavor of MSG and even bought a
small container of it 2-3 years ago. Still haven't used it. I never
think to use it plus I'm not even sure what to add it to anyway.

On Monday, January 18, 2021 at 7:36:30 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
> > It's pretty easy for me to detect in certain foods.
> > If potato/mac salad doesn't have MSG, it feels like
> > there's a big hole in the flavor. At the local restaurants
> > it's about 50/50 with MSG/no MSG
> > My guess is that people don't put MSG in potato salad on the mainland.
> I never make potato salad. I do like the flavor of MSG and even bought a
> small container of it 2-3 years ago. Still haven't used it. I never
> think to use it plus I'm not even sure what to add it to anyway.
You'd put MSG in meatloaf or mashed potatoes but not in apple pie. I got a good handle on umami because I was raised on the stuff.

On Monday, January 18, 2021 at 4:03:14 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> Master Bruce wrote:
> > Gary wrote:
> >
> >> Master Bruce wrote:
> >>> I've liked the fake "meats" I've tried recently, both the very
> >>> expensive Beyond Meat and a much cheaper chickpea and zucchini based
> >>> "meat". They all tasted like a McDonald's hamburger to me.
> >>
> >> No they didn't. Only McDonalds hamburgers taste like McDonald's
> >> hamburgers. That's why they are so successful, like it or not.
> >
> > I never minded McDonalds hamburgers taste-wise. They tasted a bit like
> > baby food, but not bad.
>
> Interesting. Back in the early-mid 1970's we would often go on weekend
> surfing trips to Cape Hatteras, NC. About 150 miles away but the waves
> were always better there.
>
> Back then, it was wilderness. No motels or restaurants. Only a small
> general store, and 10 miles a way a movie theater that only showed one
> movie per night. We camped in a tent or just slept in the van.
>
> I always bought a bunch of baby food (in the small jars) and that was my
> food for the weekend. lol At the time, food was just a necessity. The
> surfing was the main event there.
>
>
> > But the meat flavour hardly mattered with all
> > the other additions. It would taste as good to me with fake meat.
>
> Many years ago, I bought a pack of veggie burgers. Gartenburgers.
> I never tasted it plain but I would put one on a bun with all the
> condiments plus onion lettuce tomato. Tasted pretty good to me.
>
> OK...this is odd. I just looked those up and there is no mention of them
> on Google. I was sure the name was right. These were veggie burgers sold
> like 20 years ago. I bought some, dammit.

You would probably have liked the loco moco. It's a dish that was tailor made for surfers.
https://www.hawaiimagazine.com/conte...wn-invented-it

On Sunday, January 17, 2021 at 3:35:35 PM UTC-10, Master Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Jan 2021 17:31:17 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> > wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, January 17, 2021 at 12:44:39 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> >> "dsi1" wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> On Saturday, January 16, 2021 at 4:12:06 PM UTC-10,
> >> wrote:
> >> > On Saturday, January 16, 2021 at 7:48:24 PM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
> >> > ...
> >> > > Keep a lookout for my new line of "Backup Foods(tm)" in a store near
> >> > > you! Along with my soon-to-be-released, "You Wouldn't Believe Its
> >> > > Not Meat!(tm)" line of "100% vegetarian animal-based foods(tm)".
> >> > >
> >> > > -sw
> >> > Plant based is not new. This is:
> >> >
> >> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mi5EfhPGHg4
> >> >
> >> > Culture grown meat from meat stem cells. Very possible just not widely
> >> > done yet!
> >> >
> >> > I'd eat it!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > John Kuthe, RN. BSN...
> >>
> >> I saw that coming some time back. These days, I'm not so sure that it's
> >> going to make sense from an economic and market stand point. My guess is
> >> that cultured chicken might work to make the ubiquitous chicken nugget.. Kids
> >> seem to love that stuff.
> >> https://groups.google.com/g/rec.food...m/lTIRutW2vWsJ
> >>
> >> Today, for lunch I had happy fried chicken. I call it "happy" because it has
> >> no bones to pick. It's coated with my Southern fried flour. It's seasoned
> >> with salt, pepper, garlic powder. and MSG.
> >> https://photos.app.goo.gl/HNxwNeuT18kVR6qa9
> >> ===
> >>
> >> Yum that looks lovely I have MSG but I never notice a difference in
> >> flavour when I use it or not.
> >It's pretty easy for me to detect in certain foods. If potato/mac salad doesn't have MSG, it feels like there's a big hole in the flavor. At the local restaurants it's about 50/50 with MSG/no MSG. My guess is that people don't put MSG in potato salad on the mainland.
> None of them? I thought the US was almost as much of a melting pot as
> Australia.
The US is about as much a melting pot as Australia i.e., neither of them treat their native peoples with much respect. They're about the same in that respect.

On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 01:45:44 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Sunday, January 17, 2021 at 3:33:41 PM UTC-5, Master Bruce wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Jan 2021 12:29:35 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Sunday, January 17, 2021 at 1:37:47 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>> >
>> >> There are several vegetarian burgers that most would enjoy more than a
>> >> fake veggie burger... potato latkas satisfy burgers and fries... fried
>> >> eggplant does the veggie thing for me... thick slabs of grilled
>> >> overgrown zukes with pasta sauce on a bun makes for more than an
>> >> acceptable burger.
>> >
>> >None of which have any protein to speak of.
>> >
>> >I'd rather have falafel.
>> I've never thought to myself: "That was nice, but not enough protein".
>
>Don't you think about the nutritional content of your meals? Do you
>eat anything that will fit into your piehole?
>
>Cindy Hamilton

I'm not trying to be a vegetarian. Anyone who claims to be a
vegetarian is lying simply because no vegetable protein contains all
the necessecery amino acids of meat. My suggestions were only a
stopgap for those wanting to dine on fako burgers.
Mammals must consume a certain complement of amino acids to sustain
life... cows and sheep etc. get the lacking amino acids in plants from
the insects they consume. If you want to add crickets and aphids to
your potato latkes be my guest.

No plant protein contains all the necessesary amino acids of meat to
sustain human life... stuff youselves with as many beans as you can
fit into your pie hole, all you'll accomplish is to gain weight and
fart a lot, but you'll soon become very ill and without medical
attention you will die.

I've posted the same info about amino acids before. One vegetable
that comes closest to supporting human life without ingesting meat is
buckwheat, but still you'll become ill and die. China produces and
consumes the most buckwheat, still they need some quantity of meat,
likely from seafood.
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition...OC_TITLE_HDR_3

On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 14:30:11 -0500, Sheldon Martin >
wrote:

>I'm not trying to be a vegetarian. Anyone who claims to be a
>vegetarian is lying simply because no vegetable protein contains all
>the necessecery amino acids of meat. My suggestions were only a
>stopgap for those wanting to dine on fako burgers.
>Mammals must consume a certain complement of amino acids to sustain
>life... cows and sheep etc. get the lacking amino acids in plants from
>the insects they consume. If you want to add crickets and aphids to
>your potato latkes be my guest.
>
>No plant protein contains all the necessesary amino acids of meat to
>sustain human life... stuff youselves with as many beans as you can
>fit into your pie hole, all you'll accomplish is to gain weight and
>fart a lot, but you'll soon become very ill and without medical
>attention you will die.
>
>I've posted the same info about amino acids before. One vegetable
>that comes closest to supporting human life without ingesting meat is
>buckwheat, but still you'll become ill and die. China produces and
>consumes the most buckwheat, still they need some quantity of meat,
>likely from seafood.
>https://www.healthline.com/nutrition...OC_TITLE_HDR_3

Amazing how much nonsense you can dump in one post. Your crap density
is amazingly high.

On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 11:23:04 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> wrote:

>On Sunday, January 17, 2021 at 3:35:35 PM UTC-10, Master Bruce wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Jan 2021 17:31:17 -0800 (PST), dsi1
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Sunday, January 17, 2021 at 12:44:39 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>> >> "dsi1" wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> On Saturday, January 16, 2021 at 4:12:06 PM UTC-10,
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > On Saturday, January 16, 2021 at 7:48:24 PM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
>> >> > ...
>> >> > > Keep a lookout for my new line of "Backup Foods(tm)" in a store near
>> >> > > you! Along with my soon-to-be-released, "You Wouldn't Believe Its
>> >> > > Not Meat!(tm)" line of "100% vegetarian animal-based foods(tm)".
>> >> > >
>> >> > > -sw
>> >> > Plant based is not new. This is:
>> >> >
>> >> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mi5EfhPGHg4
>> >> >
>> >> > Culture grown meat from meat stem cells. Very possible just not widely
>> >> > done yet!
>> >> >
>> >> > I'd eat it!
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > John Kuthe, RN. BSN...
>> >>
>> >> I saw that coming some time back. These days, I'm not so sure that it's
>> >> going to make sense from an economic and market stand point. My guess is
>> >> that cultured chicken might work to make the ubiquitous chicken nugget. Kids
>> >> seem to love that stuff.
>> >> https://groups.google.com/g/rec.food...m/lTIRutW2vWsJ
>> >>
>> >> Today, for lunch I had happy fried chicken. I call it "happy" because it has
>> >> no bones to pick. It's coated with my Southern fried flour. It's seasoned
>> >> with salt, pepper, garlic powder. and MSG.
>> >> https://photos.app.goo.gl/HNxwNeuT18kVR6qa9
>> >> ===
>> >>
>> >> Yum that looks lovely I have MSG but I never notice a difference in
>> >> flavour when I use it or not.
>> >It's pretty easy for me to detect in certain foods. If potato/mac salad doesn't have MSG, it feels like there's a big hole in the flavor. At the local restaurants it's about 50/50 with MSG/no MSG. My guess is that people don't put MSG in potato salad on the mainland.
>> None of them? I thought the US was almost as much of a melting pot as
>> Australia.
>
>The US is about as much a melting pot as Australia i.e., neither of them treat their native peoples with much respect. They're about the same in that respect.
>
It's not easy to deal with Aboriginals. Give them a house and they
make a fire of the floors and door frames during a cold night. Ask
them if they want to live their original lifestyle and they say No.
Give them money and they spend it on alcohol. They seem to be falling
through the crack between 2 civilisations.
>
If you have the solution, don't hold back.
>

On Saturday, January 16, 2021 at 9:12:06 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> On Saturday, January 16, 2021 at 7:48:24 PM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
> ...
> > Keep a lookout for my new line of "Backup Foods(tm)" in a store near
> > you! Along with my soon-to-be-released, "You Wouldn't Believe Its
> > Not Meat!(tm)" line of "100% vegetarian animal-based foods(tm)".
> >
> > -sw
> Plant based is not new. This is:

Soy burgers have been around since ... forever?

Master Bruce wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 14:30:11 -0500, Sheldon Martin >
> wrote:
>
>> I'm not trying to be a vegetarian. Anyone who claims to be a
>> vegetarian is lying simply because no vegetable protein contains all
>> the necessecery amino acids of meat. My suggestions were only a
>> stopgap for those wanting to dine on fako burgers.
>> Mammals must consume a certain complement of amino acids to sustain
>> life... cows and sheep etc. get the lacking amino acids in plants from
>> the insects they consume. If you want to add crickets and aphids to
>> your potato latkes be my guest.
>>
>> No plant protein contains all the necessesary amino acids of meat to
>> sustain human life... stuff youselves with as many beans as you can
>> fit into your pie hole, all you'll accomplish is to gain weight and
>> fart a lot, but you'll soon become very ill and without medical
>> attention you will die.
>>
>> I've posted the same info about amino acids before. One vegetable
>> that comes closest to supporting human life without ingesting meat is
>> buckwheat, but still you'll become ill and die. China produces and
>> consumes the most buckwheat, still they need some quantity of meat,
>> likely from seafood.
>> https://www.healthline.com/nutrition...OC_TITLE_HDR_3
>
> Amazing how much nonsense you can dump in one post. Your crap density
> is amazingly high.
>

Easy for Popeye ... He's full of shit.

On Tue, 19 Jan 2021 06:39:28 +1100, Master Bruce
> wrote:

>On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 14:30:11 -0500, Sheldon Martin >
>wrote:
>
>>I'm not trying to be a vegetarian. Anyone who claims to be a
>>vegetarian is lying simply because no vegetable protein contains all
>>the necessecery amino acids of meat. My suggestions were only a
>>stopgap for those wanting to dine on fako burgers.
>>Mammals must consume a certain complement of amino acids to sustain
>>life... cows and sheep etc. get the lacking amino acids in plants from
>>the insects they consume. If you want to add crickets and aphids to
>>your potato latkes be my guest.
>>
>>No plant protein contains all the necessesary amino acids of meat to
>>sustain human life... stuff youselves with as many beans as you can
>>fit into your pie hole, all you'll accomplish is to gain weight and
>>fart a lot, but you'll soon become very ill and without medical
>>attention you will die.
>>
>>I've posted the same info about amino acids before. One vegetable
>>that comes closest to supporting human life without ingesting meat is
>>buckwheat, but still you'll become ill and die. China produces and
>>consumes the most buckwheat, still they need some quantity of meat,
>>likely from seafood.
>>https://www.healthline.com/nutrition...OC_TITLE_HDR_3
>
>Amazing how much nonsense you can dump in one post. Your crap density
>is amazingly high.

Your ignoranus quotient is off the scale.

On Monday, January 18, 2021 at 3:58:31 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Jan 2021 06:39:28 +1100, Master Bruce
> > wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 14:30:11 -0500, Sheldon Martin >
> >wrote:
> >
> >>I'm not trying to be a vegetarian. Anyone who claims to be a
> >>vegetarian is lying simply because no vegetable protein contains all
> >>the necessecery amino acids of meat. My suggestions were only a
> >>stopgap for those wanting to dine on fako burgers.
> >>Mammals must consume a certain complement of amino acids to sustain
> >>life... cows and sheep etc. get the lacking amino acids in plants from
> >>the insects they consume. If you want to add crickets and aphids to
> >>your potato latkes be my guest.
> >>
> >>No plant protein contains all the necessesary amino acids of meat to
> >>sustain human life... stuff youselves with as many beans as you can
> >>fit into your pie hole, all you'll accomplish is to gain weight and
> >>fart a lot, but you'll soon become very ill and without medical
> >>attention you will die.
> >>
> >>I've posted the same info about amino acids before. One vegetable
> >>that comes closest to supporting human life without ingesting meat is
> >>buckwheat, but still you'll become ill and die. China produces and
> >>consumes the most buckwheat, still they need some quantity of meat,
> >>likely from seafood.
> >>https://www.healthline.com/nutrition...OC_TITLE_HDR_3
> >
> >Amazing how much nonsense you can dump in one post. Your crap density
> >is amazingly high.
> Your ignoranus quotient is off the scale.

Beans have all the amino acids except methionine. Corn has methionine. Eating
both provides a complete set of amino acids.

Brazil nuts, spinach, hemp seeds, sesame seeds, sunflower seeds, and oats all
contain a good deal of methionine.

And, of course, vegetarians eat eggs and dairy products, which also contain complete
proteins.

Cindy Hamilton

On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 13:29:27 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Monday, January 18, 2021 at 3:58:31 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:

>> Your ignoranus quotient is off the scale.
>
>Beans have all the amino acids except methionine. Corn has methionine. Eating
>both provides a complete set of amino acids.
>
>Brazil nuts, spinach, hemp seeds, sesame seeds, sunflower seeds, and oats all
>contain a good deal of methionine.

14% of the world is vegan if vegetarian and the number is growing.
Something tells me they're doing alright.

>And, of course, vegetarians eat eggs and dairy products, which also contain complete
>proteins.

I'm afraid Sheldon won't know the difference between vegetarians and
vegans. He probably can't even spell the words. He'll misspell them
and then call someone else an illiterate high school dropout in the
same post.

On Monday, January 18, 2021 at 4:35:23 PM UTC-5, Master Bruce wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 13:29:27 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> >On Monday, January 18, 2021 at 3:58:31 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>
> >> Your ignoranus quotient is off the scale.
> >
> >Beans have all the amino acids except methionine. Corn has methionine. Eating
> >both provides a complete set of amino acids.
> >
> >Brazil nuts, spinach, hemp seeds, sesame seeds, sunflower seeds, and oats all
> >contain a good deal of methionine.
> 14% of the world is vegan if vegetarian and the number is growing.
> Something tells me they're doing alright.
> >And, of course, vegetarians eat eggs and dairy products, which also contain complete
> >proteins.
> I'm afraid Sheldon won't know the difference between vegetarians and
> vegans. He probably can't even spell the words. He'll misspell them
> and then call someone else an illiterate high school dropout in the
> same post.

I know. We've told him the difference on multiple occasions, but he's incapable
of learning.

Still, it has to be done. Bullshit like that must be corrected.

Cindy Hamilton

On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 13:43:43 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Monday, January 18, 2021 at 4:35:23 PM UTC-5, Master Bruce wrote:
>> On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 13:29:27 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Monday, January 18, 2021 at 3:58:31 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>>
>> >> Your ignoranus quotient is off the scale.
>> >
>> >Beans have all the amino acids except methionine. Corn has methionine. Eating
>> >both provides a complete set of amino acids.
>> >
>> >Brazil nuts, spinach, hemp seeds, sesame seeds, sunflower seeds, and oats all
>> >contain a good deal of methionine.
>> 14% of the world is vegan if vegetarian and the number is growing.
>> Something tells me they're doing alright.
>> >And, of course, vegetarians eat eggs and dairy products, which also contain complete
>> >proteins.
>> I'm afraid Sheldon won't know the difference between vegetarians and
>> vegans. He probably can't even spell the words. He'll misspell them
>> and then call someone else an illiterate high school dropout in the
>> same post.
>
>I know. We've told him the difference on multiple occasions, but he's incapable
>of learning.
>
>Still, it has to be done. Bullshit like that must be corrected.

Yes, we can't give up hope.

dsi1 wrote:
> You would probably have liked the loco moco. It's a dish that was tailor made for surfers.
> https://www.hawaiimagazine.com/conte...wn-invented-it

I've heard of that. Probably from you.

Favorite food for surfers in my areas were sub sandwiches.
Marcuchi subs in Rhode Island and Mister Jim's and Zeroes in Virginia
Beach. All 3 were such an excellent feast for lunch.

The occasional trip to an A&W drive-in for rootbeer and onion rings were
good too.

Also a chicken place that sold small, whole fried battered clams. Yum.

On 1/18/2021 12:03 PM, Master Bruce wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 09:03:05 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>
>> Master Bruce wrote:
>>> Gary wrote:
>>>
>>>> Master Bruce wrote:
>>>>> I've liked the fake "meats" I've tried recently, both the very
>>>>> expensive Beyond Meat and a much cheaper chickpea and zucchini based
>>>>> "meat". They all tasted like a McDonald's hamburger to me.
>>>>
>>>> No they didn't. Only McDonalds hamburgers taste like McDonald's
>>>> hamburgers. That's why they are so successful, like it or not.
>>>
>>> I never minded McDonalds hamburgers taste-wise. They tasted a bit like
>>> baby food, but not bad.
>
> Actually, the bun was probably largely to blame for that. Crappy
> bread.
>
>> Interesting. Back in the early-mid 1970's we would often go on weekend
>> surfing trips to Cape Hatteras, NC. About 150 miles away but the waves
>> were always better there.
>>
>> Back then, it was wilderness. No motels or restaurants. Only a small
>> general store, and 10 miles a way a movie theater that only showed one
>> movie per night. We camped in a tent or just slept in the van.
>>
>> I always bought a bunch of baby food (in the small jars) and that was my
>> food for the weekend. lol At the time, food was just a necessity. The
>> surfing was the main event there.
>>
>>> But the meat flavour hardly mattered with all
>>> the other additions. It would taste as good to me with fake meat.
>
> Yes, that's my experience too.
>
>> Many years ago, I bought a pack of veggie burgers. Gartenburgers.
>> I never tasted it plain but I would put one on a bun with all the
>> condiments plus onion lettuce tomato. Tasted pretty good to me.
>>
>> OK...this is odd. I just looked those up and there is no mention of them
>> on Google. I was sure the name was right. These were veggie burgers sold
>> like 20 years ago. I bought some, dammit.
>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gardenburger>
>
Thanks. I thought they were spelled a bit different. Anyway, they were
tasty enough.

On Tue, 19 Jan 2021 07:59:20 -0500, Gary > wrote:

>On 1/18/2021 12:03 PM, Master Bruce wrote:
>> On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 09:03:05 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>>
>>> Many years ago, I bought a pack of veggie burgers. Gartenburgers.
>>> I never tasted it plain but I would put one on a bun with all the
>>> condiments plus onion lettuce tomato. Tasted pretty good to me.
>>>
>>> OK...this is odd. I just looked those up and there is no mention of them
>>> on Google. I was sure the name was right. These were veggie burgers sold
>>> like 20 years ago. I bought some, dammit.
>>
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gardenburger>
>>
>Thanks. I thought they were spelled a bit different.

That must be the German in you.

Master Bruce wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Jan 2021 07:59:20 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>
>> On 1/18/2021 12:03 PM, Master Bruce wrote:
>>> On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 09:03:05 -0500, Gary > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Many years ago, I bought a pack of veggie burgers. Gartenburgers.
>>>> I never tasted it plain but I would put one on a bun with all the
>>>> condiments plus onion lettuce tomato. Tasted pretty good to me.
>>>>
>>>> OK...this is odd. I just looked those up and there is no mention of them
>>>> on Google. I was sure the name was right. These were veggie burgers sold
>>>> like 20 years ago. I bought some, dammit.
>>>
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gardenburger>
>>>
>> Thanks. I thought they were spelled a bit different.
>
> That must be the German in you.
>

A dutchman is just a german wearing wooden shoes ... and whining.

On Monday, January 18, 2021 at 9:44:02 AM UTC-10, Master Bruce wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 11:23:04 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> > wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, January 17, 2021 at 3:35:35 PM UTC-10, Master Bruce wrote:
> >> On Sun, 17 Jan 2021 17:31:17 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Sunday, January 17, 2021 at 12:44:39 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> >> >> "dsi1" wrote in message
> >> >> ...
> >> >> On Saturday, January 16, 2021 at 4:12:06 PM UTC-10,
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> > On Saturday, January 16, 2021 at 7:48:24 PM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
> >> >> > ...
> >> >> > > Keep a lookout for my new line of "Backup Foods(tm)" in a store near
> >> >> > > you! Along with my soon-to-be-released, "You Wouldn't Believe Its
> >> >> > > Not Meat!(tm)" line of "100% vegetarian animal-based foods(tm)"..
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > -sw
> >> >> > Plant based is not new. This is:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mi5EfhPGHg4
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Culture grown meat from meat stem cells. Very possible just not widely
> >> >> > done yet!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I'd eat it!
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > John Kuthe, RN. BSN...
> >> >>
> >> >> I saw that coming some time back. These days, I'm not so sure that it's
> >> >> going to make sense from an economic and market stand point. My guess is
> >> >> that cultured chicken might work to make the ubiquitous chicken nugget. Kids
> >> >> seem to love that stuff.
> >> >> https://groups.google.com/g/rec.food...m/lTIRutW2vWsJ
> >> >>
> >> >> Today, for lunch I had happy fried chicken. I call it "happy" because it has
> >> >> no bones to pick. It's coated with my Southern fried flour. It's seasoned
> >> >> with salt, pepper, garlic powder. and MSG.
> >> >> https://photos.app.goo.gl/HNxwNeuT18kVR6qa9
> >> >> ===
> >> >>
> >> >> Yum that looks lovely I have MSG but I never notice a difference in
> >> >> flavour when I use it or not.
> >> >It's pretty easy for me to detect in certain foods. If potato/mac salad doesn't have MSG, it feels like there's a big hole in the flavor. At the local restaurants it's about 50/50 with MSG/no MSG. My guess is that people don't put MSG in potato salad on the mainland.
> >> None of them? I thought the US was almost as much of a melting pot as
> >> Australia.
> >
> >The US is about as much a melting pot as Australia i.e., neither of them treat their native peoples with much respect. They're about the same in that respect.
> >
> It's not easy to deal with Aboriginals. Give them a house and they
> make a fire of the floors and door frames during a cold night. Ask
> them if they want to live their original lifestyle and they say No.
> Give them money and they spend it on alcohol. They seem to be falling
> through the crack between 2 civilisations.
> >
> If you have the solution, don't hold back.
> >
I don't have any solution. I'm not Australian. My guess is that blaming them for all their problems ain't working out that great. It never does.

On Tuesday, January 19, 2021 at 2:54:08 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
> > You would probably have liked the loco moco. It's a dish that was tailor made for surfers.
> > https://www.hawaiimagazine.com/conte...wn-invented-it
> I've heard of that. Probably from you.
>
> Favorite food for surfers in my areas were sub sandwiches.
> Marcuchi subs in Rhode Island and Mister Jim's and Zeroes in Virginia
> Beach. All 3 were such an excellent feast for lunch.
>
> The occasional trip to an A&W drive-in for rootbeer and onion rings were
> good too.
>
> Also a chicken place that sold small, whole fried battered clams. Yum.
I used to go to A&W back in high school. The root beer was pretty good and the onion rings were fascinating. They were the first onion ring product that was an extruded. I was always interested in how food was produced. The foods I ate when I was a teen was pretty good because it was eaten out of the house and you could decide for yourself what you would eat. It tasted like freedom.
The other day I had boneless kalbi and kim chee fried rice for breakfast. That was some good! This morning I had a Starbucks impossible breakfast sandwich - it was called that because it had a plant based material that resembled pork sausage. It was no great shakes but then again, neither is real pork sausage.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/8CYgQMQhUaABxMwb7

On Tue, 19 Jan 2021 13:27:53 -0800 (PST), dsi1
> wrote:

>On Monday, January 18, 2021 at 9:44:02 AM UTC-10, Master Bruce wrote:
>> On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 11:23:04 -0800 (PST), dsi1
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >The US is about as much a melting pot as Australia i.e., neither of them treat their native peoples with much respect. They're about the same in that respect.
>> >
>> It's not easy to deal with Aboriginals. Give them a house and they
>> make a fire of the floors and door frames during a cold night. Ask
>> them if they want to live their original lifestyle and they say No.
>> Give them money and they spend it on alcohol. They seem to be falling
>> through the crack between 2 civilisations.
>> >
>> If you have the solution, don't hold back.
>> >
>I don't have any solution. I'm not Australian. My guess is that blaming them for all their problems ain't working out that great. It never does.
>
I don't blame them. I'm just observing that they're falling through
the cracks and I don't have a solution.
>