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On Sat, 20 Feb 2021 09:11:14 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
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>On Saturday, February 20, 2021 at 11:42:22 AM UTC-5, Graham wrote:
>> On 2021-02-20 8:36 a.m., Janet wrote:
>> > In article >,
>> > says...
>> >>
>> >> Assuming there a few winos in this group...
>> >>
>> >> You visit someone you haven't seen in a while,
>> >> and bring a bottle of wine, as a gift, or to share.
>> >> However, you don't know their tastes.
>> >
>> > I only take wine if I'm sure the hosts drink/serve alcohol.
>> >
>> > If I don't know what sort of alcohol they serve or like, I take one I
>> > like.
>> >
>> > Janet UK
>> >
>> >
>> >

>> I never take really good wine to people who won't appreciate it. Did
>> that once. Never again.

>
>We got some really good wine second-hand from a nondrinker who'd been
>given it as a hostess gift.
>
>It made a truly exceptional batch of spaghetti sauce.


Juvenile tastebuds.
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On 2021-02-20 11:42 a.m., Graham wrote:
> On 2021-02-20 8:36 a.m., Janet wrote:


>> Â*Â* I only take wine if I'm sure the hosts drink/serve alcohol.
>> Â*Â* If I don't know what sort of alcohol they serve or like, I take one I
>> like.
>>
>> Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Janet UK
>>
>>

> I never take really good wine to people who won't appreciate it. Did
> that once. Never again.


My sister in law, who had very specific tastes, had notoriously bad
taste in wine. She hated red wine and drink only whites..... cheap
German wines like Blue Nun and Liebfraumilch.


We used to have a lot of Gewurztraminer with grilled salmon and my
mother used to bring me some whenever she came. Knowing how much we
liked it, she took a bottle to my brother's one day. SiL complained
about it, said it was horrible. My poor mother was embarrassed and
called to apologize for bringing bad wine. I assured her that we liked
the wine and that is was just SiL's bad taste.


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On 2021-02-20 11:42 a.m., cshenk wrote:
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>> Many people like Chardonnay, except those who really hate it: ABC'ers.
>> Anything But Chardonnay.
>>
>> Here ends my useful contribution.

>
> I don't like Chardonnay myself much. Too 'dry'.
>

A lot of people dislike Chardonnay and from my experience it seems to
be mostly women. My wife was one of them, but has learned to appreciate
it. It is one of my favourites. It seems to be more popular with people
who like beer.


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John Kuthe wrote:
> On Friday, February 19, 2021 at 4:11:22 PM UTC-6, RichD wrote:
>> Assuming there a few winos in this group...
>>
>> You visit someone you haven't seen in a while,
>> and bring a bottle of wine, as a gift, or to share.
>> However, you don't know their tastes.
>> What to buy? I figure, everyone enjoys bubbly, therefore
>> cava or prosecco? (I'm on a sub-champagne budget)
>> Or a fruity, simple rose?
>>
>> Also, since this is a foodie group - if the bottle is intended
>> for immediate enjoyment, I might bring some hors d'oeuvre.
>> Suggestions? I'd stop at a deli, and pick up a quart of
>> antipasto - or ...?
>>
>> Crackers and cheese is so mundane -
>>
>> --
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>
> I do NOT drink any toxins any more! NO alcohol at all, only healthful inebriates.
>
>
> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
>


And you burn ZERO gasoline!


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THIS ISN'T YOUR PERSONAL MESSAGE BOARD, YOU BRAINDEAD ****TARD!

NOBODY CARES ABOUT WHAT YOU DON'T DRINK, DUMB****!

You're still an unemployable failure and always will be!

You are a waste of air.

Nobody gives a shit about your house.
Nobody gives a shit about your sound system.
Nobody gives a shit about your car.
Nobody gives a shit about your exercise.
Nobody gives a shit about your chronic unemployment.
Nobody gives a shit about your mental illness.
Nobody gives a shit about your feeble attempts at "cooking."
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Nobody gives a shit about your life.

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cshenk wrote:
> RichD wrote:
>
>> Assuming there a few winos in this group...
>>
>> You visit someone you haven't seen in a while,
>> and bring a bottle of wine, as a gift, or to share.
>> However, you don't know their tastes.
>> What to buy? I figure, everyone enjoys bubbly, therefore
>> cava or prosecco? (I'm on a sub-champagne budget)
>> Or a fruity, simple rose?
>>
>> Also, since this is a foodie group - if the bottle is intended
>> for immediate enjoyment, I might bring some hors d'oeuvre.
>> Suggestions? I'd stop at a deli, and pick up a quart of
>> antipasto - or ...?
>>
>> Crackers and cheese is so mundane -

>
> https://www.totalwine.com/wine/red-w...sa/p/117578750
>
> That is a middle of the road wine and with it I'd tend to cold boiled
> peeled large shrimp with 'suit yourself' dipping sauces of: Spicy
> cocktail, mild horseradish, blue cheese and feta in sour cream. Also
> in case of vegetarians, roasted sliced portabella mushrooms with garlic
> oil and thicker sticks of daikon. All of that would not be
> overwhelming if portions are small.
>
> I'd tend to ask if there were vegetarians. The portabella whould be
> portioned as 1 cap makes 6-8 slices and if the crowd is mostly
> vegetarian or vegan, drop the shrimp and add 1 endive and use it to
> wrap the portabella strips with a dailon stick. That turns it into an
> easy finger food to handle. Vegans will avoid the horseradish and
> cheese dish but most vegetarians will find them acceptable. (Lacto-Ovo).
>


If the crowd is mostly vegan, I bring a bale of hay.


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Hank Rogers wrote:
> John Kuthe wrote:
> > On Friday, February 19, 2021 at 4:11:22 PM UTC-6, RichD wrote:
> >> Assuming there a few winos in this group...
> >>
> >> You visit someone you haven't seen in a while,
> >> and bring a bottle of wine, as a gift, or to share.
> >> However, you don't know their tastes.
> >> What to buy? I figure, everyone enjoys bubbly, therefore
> >> cava or prosecco? (I'm on a sub-champagne budget)
> >> Or a fruity, simple rose?
> >>
> >> Also, since this is a foodie group - if the bottle is intended
> >> for immediate enjoyment, I might bring some hors d'oeuvre.
> >> Suggestions? I'd stop at a deli, and pick up a quart of
> >> antipasto - or ...?
> >>
> >> Crackers and cheese is so mundane -
> >>
> >> --
> >> Rich

> >
> > I do NOT drink any toxins any more! NO alcohol at all, only healthful inebriates.
> >
> >
> > John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
> >

> And you burn ZERO gasoline!



And alcohol production *does* consume power from those pesky coal - fueled plants...ANOTHER reason JK is such a Model of Virtue to Emulate...

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Bruce wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Feb 2021 08:40:42 -0400, Lucretia Borgia
> > wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 20 Feb 2021 12:09:07 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 20:57:26 -0400, Lucretia Borgia
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I make my own red, usually merlot
>>>
>>> How do you do that?

>>
>> Now that I find my strength ebbing and am not so handy at hauling 23
>> litres of water or wine, I go to my wine shop and make it there, it's
>> called YouVinting. Very convenient and still a lot less expensive
>> than buying by the bottle.

>
> It doesn't Google. Do you buy grapes, put them, with yeast, in a vat
> and wait for it to ferment?
>
>>>> but I
>>>> occasionally buy white wine and always pick local, I'm told it's good.
>>>> There's an Aussie one I buy people really like, has a kangaroo on the
>>>> label.
>>>
>>> This one?
>>> <https://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/P1-AZ621_CRITTE_DV_20110225222423.jpg>

>>
>> That's it, I like to keep some for friends dedicated to white.

>
> I see it here too but haven't tried it or not for ages.
>
>>> We only drink Australian. It's cheaper than imported wine.
>>>
>>>> If I'm not drinking red wine I tend to drink cider which
>>>> finally has become very popular here in the valley of apples along the
>>>> way. There are all sorts but I like No Boats on Sunday
>>>
>>> Sounds nicely boutique

>>
>> It apparently was taken from a sign locally by the ferry back in the
>> day. Everything, including the bottle, is locally made. I do like to
>> buy local if possible, keep jobs local.

>
> It's too warm for wine in our region, but there's so much Australian
> wine to choose from that there's little reason to get anything
> foreign.
>


Besides, you don't like french wine.




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On 2/19/2021 8:23 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 17:19:10 -0800 (PST), "
> > wrote:
>
>> On Friday, February 19, 2021 at 7:09:16 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>>>
>>> I had Dutch white wine once. It tasted
>>> like an abandoned mouse nest.
>>>

>> When have you eaten an abandoned mouse nest? Baked or deep
>> fried?

>
> Raw. Mouse nest sashimi.
>


Mice can be pretty good eats. I've never tried a poopy mouse nest.



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>Assuming there a few winos in this group...


I'm more of a whiner than a wino... but ask away!
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On February 19, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> >> You visit someone you haven't seen in a while,
> >> and bring a bottle of wine, as a gift, or to share.
> >> However, you don't know their tastes.
> >> What to buy? I figure, everyone enjoys bubbly, therefore
> >> cava or prosecco? (I'm on a sub-champagne budget)
> >> Or a fruity, simple rose?

>
> A nice bottle of Henckel Trocken and slices of smoked salmon.


Sounds exotic.
How would you describe this wine?
Is it safe for a casual drinker?

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On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 12:49:29 -0800 (PST), RichD
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>On February 19, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>> >> You visit someone you haven't seen in a while,
>> >> and bring a bottle of wine, as a gift, or to share.
>> >> However, you don't know their tastes.
>> >> What to buy? I figure, everyone enjoys bubbly, therefore
>> >> cava or prosecco? (I'm on a sub-champagne budget)
>> >> Or a fruity, simple rose?

>>
>> A nice bottle of Henckel Trocken and slices of smoked salmon.

>
>Sounds exotic.
>How would you describe this wine?
>Is it safe for a casual drinker?


Henckel Trocken is a German sparkling wine, as good as any fancy
expensive French champagne. Not too sweet, I would think safe to say
anyone would find it palatable.
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On Wednesday, February 24, 2021 at 4:42:56 PM UTC-5, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 12:49:29 -0800 (PST), RichD
> > wrote:
>
> >On February 19, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> >> >> You visit someone you haven't seen in a while,
> >> >> and bring a bottle of wine, as a gift, or to share.
> >> >> However, you don't know their tastes.
> >> >> What to buy? I figure, everyone enjoys bubbly, therefore
> >> >> cava or prosecco? (I'm on a sub-champagne budget)
> >> >> Or a fruity, simple rose?
> >>
> >> A nice bottle of Henckel Trocken and slices of smoked salmon.

> >
> >Sounds exotic.
> >How would you describe this wine?
> >Is it safe for a casual drinker?

> Henckel Trocken is a German sparkling wine,


Yes. There, they call it sekt or schaumwein. I wonder if you could call it Champagner (auf deutsch) too.

> as good as any fancy expensive French champagne.


They share a border, so that wouldn't be surprising.


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On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 22:39:19 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
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>On Wednesday, February 24, 2021 at 4:42:56 PM UTC-5, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>> On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 12:49:29 -0800 (PST), RichD
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On February 19, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>> >> >> You visit someone you haven't seen in a while,
>> >> >> and bring a bottle of wine, as a gift, or to share.
>> >> >> However, you don't know their tastes.
>> >> >> What to buy? I figure, everyone enjoys bubbly, therefore
>> >> >> cava or prosecco? (I'm on a sub-champagne budget)
>> >> >> Or a fruity, simple rose?
>> >>
>> >> A nice bottle of Henckel Trocken and slices of smoked salmon.
>> >
>> >Sounds exotic.
>> >How would you describe this wine?
>> >Is it safe for a casual drinker?

>> Henckel Trocken is a German sparkling wine,

>
>Yes. There, they call it sekt or schaumwein. I wonder if you could call it Champagner (auf deutsch) too.
>
>> as good as any fancy expensive French champagne.

>
>They share a border, so that wouldn't be surprising.


Did anybody ever have German red wine? They produce it, but I think
they drink it all themselves.
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On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 2:21:01 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:

> Did anybody ever have German red wine? They produce it, but I think
> they drink it all themselves.


I did, once. But it was so long ago I can't remember what it was like.

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On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 01:45:31 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton
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>On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 2:21:01 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>
>> Did anybody ever have German red wine? They produce it, but I think
>> they drink it all themselves.

>
>I did, once. But it was so long ago I can't remember what it was like.


A German once told me that they make decent red table wine, but not so
much that they have a much left over to export.
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On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 22:39:19 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, February 24, 2021 at 4:42:56 PM UTC-5, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>> On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 12:49:29 -0800 (PST), RichD
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On February 19, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>> >> >> You visit someone you haven't seen in a while,
>> >> >> and bring a bottle of wine, as a gift, or to share.
>> >> >> However, you don't know their tastes.
>> >> >> What to buy? I figure, everyone enjoys bubbly, therefore
>> >> >> cava or prosecco? (I'm on a sub-champagne budget)
>> >> >> Or a fruity, simple rose?
>> >>
>> >> A nice bottle of Henckel Trocken and slices of smoked salmon.
>> >
>> >Sounds exotic.
>> >How would you describe this wine?
>> >Is it safe for a casual drinker?

>> Henckel Trocken is a German sparkling wine,

>
>Yes. There, they call it sekt or schaumwein. I wonder if you could call it
>Champagner (auf deutsch) too.
>
>> as good as any fancy expensive French champagne.

>
>They share a border, so that wouldn't be surprising.


Did anybody ever have German red wine? They produce it, but I think
they drink it all themselves.

====

I know I drank it in Germany, but tbh I stopped drinking wine a long time
ago so I don't know!


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>
>
>"Bruce" wrote in message ...
>
>On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 22:39:19 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
> wrote:
>
>>On Wednesday, February 24, 2021 at 4:42:56 PM UTC-5, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>> On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 12:49:29 -0800 (PST), RichD
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> >On February 19, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>> >> >> You visit someone you haven't seen in a while,
>>> >> >> and bring a bottle of wine, as a gift, or to share.
>>> >> >> However, you don't know their tastes.
>>> >> >> What to buy? I figure, everyone enjoys bubbly, therefore
>>> >> >> cava or prosecco? (I'm on a sub-champagne budget)
>>> >> >> Or a fruity, simple rose?
>>> >>
>>> >> A nice bottle of Henckel Trocken and slices of smoked salmon.
>>> >
>>> >Sounds exotic.
>>> >How would you describe this wine?
>>> >Is it safe for a casual drinker?
>>> Henckel Trocken is a German sparkling wine,

>>
>>Yes. There, they call it sekt or schaumwein. I wonder if you could call it
>>Champagner (auf deutsch) too.
>>
>>> as good as any fancy expensive French champagne.

>>
>>They share a border, so that wouldn't be surprising.

>
>Did anybody ever have German red wine? They produce it, but I think
>they drink it all themselves.
>
>====
>
>I know I drank it in Germany, but tbh I stopped drinking wine a long time
>ago so I don't know!
>

Yes, it must be available in Germany. There's just not enough of it to
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On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 09:53:51 -0000, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>
>
>"Bruce" wrote in message
.. .
>
>On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 22:39:19 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
> wrote:
>
>>On Wednesday, February 24, 2021 at 4:42:56 PM UTC-5, Lucretia Borgia
>>wrote:
>>> On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 12:49:29 -0800 (PST), RichD
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> >On February 19, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>> >> >> You visit someone you haven't seen in a while,
>>> >> >> and bring a bottle of wine, as a gift, or to share.
>>> >> >> However, you don't know their tastes.
>>> >> >> What to buy? I figure, everyone enjoys bubbly, therefore
>>> >> >> cava or prosecco? (I'm on a sub-champagne budget)
>>> >> >> Or a fruity, simple rose?
>>> >>
>>> >> A nice bottle of Henckel Trocken and slices of smoked salmon.
>>> >
>>> >Sounds exotic.
>>> >How would you describe this wine?
>>> >Is it safe for a casual drinker?
>>> Henckel Trocken is a German sparkling wine,

>>
>>Yes. There, they call it sekt or schaumwein. I wonder if you could call
>>it
>>Champagner (auf deutsch) too.
>>
>>> as good as any fancy expensive French champagne.

>>
>>They share a border, so that wouldn't be surprising.

>
>Did anybody ever have German red wine? They produce it, but I think
>they drink it all themselves.
>
>====
>
>I know I drank it in Germany, but tbh I stopped drinking wine a long time
>ago so I don't know!
>

Yes, it must be available in Germany. There's just not enough of it to
export. Or they drink that much

=====

My daughter lives in Germany and I could ask, but then she won't know
what is sold here)


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On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 10:12:29 -0000, "Ophelia" >
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>
>
>"Bruce" wrote in message ...
>
>On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 09:53:51 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Bruce" wrote in message
. ..
>>
>>On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 22:39:19 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wednesday, February 24, 2021 at 4:42:56 PM UTC-5, Lucretia Borgia
>>>wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 12:49:29 -0800 (PST), RichD
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >On February 19, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>>> >> >> You visit someone you haven't seen in a while,
>>>> >> >> and bring a bottle of wine, as a gift, or to share.
>>>> >> >> However, you don't know their tastes.
>>>> >> >> What to buy? I figure, everyone enjoys bubbly, therefore
>>>> >> >> cava or prosecco? (I'm on a sub-champagne budget)
>>>> >> >> Or a fruity, simple rose?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> A nice bottle of Henckel Trocken and slices of smoked salmon.
>>>> >
>>>> >Sounds exotic.
>>>> >How would you describe this wine?
>>>> >Is it safe for a casual drinker?
>>>> Henckel Trocken is a German sparkling wine,
>>>
>>>Yes. There, they call it sekt or schaumwein. I wonder if you could call
>>>it
>>>Champagner (auf deutsch) too.
>>>
>>>> as good as any fancy expensive French champagne.
>>>
>>>They share a border, so that wouldn't be surprising.

>>
>>Did anybody ever have German red wine? They produce it, but I think
>>they drink it all themselves.
>>
>>====
>>
>>I know I drank it in Germany, but tbh I stopped drinking wine a long time
>>ago so I don't know!
>>

>Yes, it must be available in Germany. There's just not enough of it to
>export. Or they drink that much
>
>=====
>
> My daughter lives in Germany and I could ask, but then she won't know
>what is sold here)
>

Maybe she can share her view about why everybody in Europe and the US
is probably familiar with German white wine,, most of us have rarely
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On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 10:12:29 -0000, "Ophelia" >
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>
>
>"Bruce" wrote in message
.. .
>
>On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 09:53:51 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Bruce" wrote in message
. ..
>>
>>On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 22:39:19 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wednesday, February 24, 2021 at 4:42:56 PM UTC-5, Lucretia Borgia
>>>wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 12:49:29 -0800 (PST), RichD
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >On February 19, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>>> >> >> You visit someone you haven't seen in a while,
>>>> >> >> and bring a bottle of wine, as a gift, or to share.
>>>> >> >> However, you don't know their tastes.
>>>> >> >> What to buy? I figure, everyone enjoys bubbly, therefore
>>>> >> >> cava or prosecco? (I'm on a sub-champagne budget)
>>>> >> >> Or a fruity, simple rose?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> A nice bottle of Henckel Trocken and slices of smoked salmon.
>>>> >
>>>> >Sounds exotic.
>>>> >How would you describe this wine?
>>>> >Is it safe for a casual drinker?
>>>> Henckel Trocken is a German sparkling wine,
>>>
>>>Yes. There, they call it sekt or schaumwein. I wonder if you could call
>>>it
>>>Champagner (auf deutsch) too.
>>>
>>>> as good as any fancy expensive French champagne.
>>>
>>>They share a border, so that wouldn't be surprising.

>>
>>Did anybody ever have German red wine? They produce it, but I think
>>they drink it all themselves.
>>
>>====
>>
>>I know I drank it in Germany, but tbh I stopped drinking wine a long time
>>ago so I don't know!
>>

>Yes, it must be available in Germany. There's just not enough of it to
>export. Or they drink that much
>
>=====
>
> My daughter lives in Germany and I could ask, but then she won't know
>what is sold here)
>

Maybe she can share her view about why everybody in Europe and the US
is probably familiar with German white wine,, most of us have rarely
had red.

====

I will, but she is not a wine drinker herself, so ....

errr if I remember lol

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>
>"Bruce" wrote in message
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>On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 09:53:51 -0000, "Ophelia" >
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>>
>>
>>"Bruce" wrote in message
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>>
>>On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 22:39:19 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wednesday, February 24, 2021 at 4:42:56 PM UTC-5, Lucretia Borgia
>>>wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 12:49:29 -0800 (PST), RichD
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >On February 19, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>>> >> >> You visit someone you haven't seen in a while,
>>>> >> >> and bring a bottle of wine, as a gift, or to share.
>>>> >> >> However, you don't know their tastes.
>>>> >> >> What to buy? I figure, everyone enjoys bubbly, therefore
>>>> >> >> cava or prosecco? (I'm on a sub-champagne budget)
>>>> >> >> Or a fruity, simple rose?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> A nice bottle of Henckel Trocken and slices of smoked salmon.
>>>> >
>>>> >Sounds exotic.
>>>> >How would you describe this wine?
>>>> >Is it safe for a casual drinker?
>>>> Henckel Trocken is a German sparkling wine,
>>>
>>>Yes. There, they call it sekt or schaumwein. I wonder if you could call
>>>it
>>>Champagner (auf deutsch) too.
>>>
>>>> as good as any fancy expensive French champagne.
>>>
>>>They share a border, so that wouldn't be surprising.

>>
>>Did anybody ever have German red wine? They produce it, but I think
>>they drink it all themselves.
>>
>>====
>>
>>I know I drank it in Germany, but tbh I stopped drinking wine a long time
>>ago so I don't know!
>>

>Yes, it must be available in Germany. There's just not enough of it to
>export. Or they drink that much
>
>=====
>
> My daughter lives in Germany and I could ask, but then she won't know
>what is sold here)
>

Maybe she can share her view about why everybody in Europe and the US
is probably familiar with German white wine,, most of us have rarely
had red.

====

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>>Yes, it must be available in Germany. There's just not enough of it to
>>export. Or they drink that much
>>
>>=====
>>
>> My daughter lives in Germany and I could ask, but then she won't know
>>what is sold here)
>>

>Maybe she can share her view about why everybody in Europe and the US
>is probably familiar with German white wine,, most of us have rarely
>had red.
>
>====
>
> I will, but she is not a wine drinker herself, so ....
>
> errr if I remember lol


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>"Bruce" wrote in message ...
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>On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 10:12:29 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>wrote:
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>>
>>"Bruce" wrote in message
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>>
>>On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 09:53:51 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Bruce" wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 22:39:19 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wednesday, February 24, 2021 at 4:42:56 PM UTC-5, Lucretia Borgia
>>>>wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 12:49:29 -0800 (PST), RichD
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >On February 19, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>>>> >> >> You visit someone you haven't seen in a while,
>>>>> >> >> and bring a bottle of wine, as a gift, or to share.
>>>>> >> >> However, you don't know their tastes.
>>>>> >> >> What to buy? I figure, everyone enjoys bubbly, therefore
>>>>> >> >> cava or prosecco? (I'm on a sub-champagne budget)
>>>>> >> >> Or a fruity, simple rose?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> A nice bottle of Henckel Trocken and slices of smoked salmon.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Sounds exotic.
>>>>> >How would you describe this wine?
>>>>> >Is it safe for a casual drinker?
>>>>> Henckel Trocken is a German sparkling wine,
>>>>
>>>>Yes. There, they call it sekt or schaumwein. I wonder if you could call
>>>>it
>>>>Champagner (auf deutsch) too.
>>>>
>>>>> as good as any fancy expensive French champagne.
>>>>
>>>>They share a border, so that wouldn't be surprising.
>>>
>>>Did anybody ever have German red wine? They produce it, but I think
>>>they drink it all themselves.
>>>
>>>====
>>>
>>>I know I drank it in Germany, but tbh I stopped drinking wine a long time
>>>ago so I don't know!
>>>

>>Yes, it must be available in Germany. There's just not enough of it to
>>export. Or they drink that much
>>
>>=====
>>
>> My daughter lives in Germany and I could ask, but then she won't know
>>what is sold here)
>>

>Maybe she can share her view about why everybody in Europe and the US
>is probably familiar with German white wine,, most of us have rarely
>had red.
>
>====
>
> OK just texted. She says she doesn't know, sorry)


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>"Bruce" wrote in message
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>On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 10:12:29 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>wrote:
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>>
>>"Bruce" wrote in message
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>>On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 09:53:51 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>>wrote:
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>>>
>>>
>>>"Bruce" wrote in message
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>>>
>>>On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 22:39:19 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wednesday, February 24, 2021 at 4:42:56 PM UTC-5, Lucretia Borgia
>>>>wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 12:49:29 -0800 (PST), RichD
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >On February 19, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>>>> >> >> You visit someone you haven't seen in a while,
>>>>> >> >> and bring a bottle of wine, as a gift, or to share.
>>>>> >> >> However, you don't know their tastes.
>>>>> >> >> What to buy? I figure, everyone enjoys bubbly, therefore
>>>>> >> >> cava or prosecco? (I'm on a sub-champagne budget)
>>>>> >> >> Or a fruity, simple rose?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> A nice bottle of Henckel Trocken and slices of smoked salmon.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Sounds exotic.
>>>>> >How would you describe this wine?
>>>>> >Is it safe for a casual drinker?
>>>>> Henckel Trocken is a German sparkling wine,
>>>>
>>>>Yes. There, they call it sekt or schaumwein. I wonder if you could call
>>>>it
>>>>Champagner (auf deutsch) too.
>>>>
>>>>> as good as any fancy expensive French champagne.
>>>>
>>>>They share a border, so that wouldn't be surprising.
>>>
>>>Did anybody ever have German red wine? They produce it, but I think
>>>they drink it all themselves.
>>>
>>>====
>>>
>>>I know I drank it in Germany, but tbh I stopped drinking wine a long time
>>>ago so I don't know!
>>>

>>Yes, it must be available in Germany. There's just not enough of it to
>>export. Or they drink that much
>>
>>=====
>>
>> My daughter lives in Germany and I could ask, but then she won't know
>>what is sold here)
>>

>Maybe she can share her view about why everybody in Europe and the US
>is probably familiar with German white wine,, most of us have rarely
>had red.
>
>====
>
> OK just texted. She says she doesn't know, sorry)


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On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 18:20:54 +1100, Bruce > wrote:

>On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 22:39:19 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
> wrote:
>
>>On Wednesday, February 24, 2021 at 4:42:56 PM UTC-5, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>> On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 12:49:29 -0800 (PST), RichD
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> >On February 19, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>> >> >> You visit someone you haven't seen in a while,
>>> >> >> and bring a bottle of wine, as a gift, or to share.
>>> >> >> However, you don't know their tastes.
>>> >> >> What to buy? I figure, everyone enjoys bubbly, therefore
>>> >> >> cava or prosecco? (I'm on a sub-champagne budget)
>>> >> >> Or a fruity, simple rose?
>>> >>
>>> >> A nice bottle of Henckel Trocken and slices of smoked salmon.
>>> >
>>> >Sounds exotic.
>>> >How would you describe this wine?
>>> >Is it safe for a casual drinker?
>>> Henckel Trocken is a German sparkling wine,

>>
>>Yes. There, they call it sekt or schaumwein. I wonder if you could call it Champagner (auf deutsch) too.
>>
>>> as good as any fancy expensive French champagne.

>>
>>They share a border, so that wouldn't be surprising.

>
>Did anybody ever have German red wine? They produce it, but I think
>they drink it all themselves.


Maybe, I have never had a German red wine now that you mention it! HT
is the only white wine I like, other than that it's Merlot or Pinot
Noir from preference. Although with global warming we are starting to
produce some good wines locally and I like them and tend to buy local.
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>"Bruce" wrote in message ...
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>On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 09:53:51 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Bruce" wrote in message
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>>
>>On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 22:39:19 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wednesday, February 24, 2021 at 4:42:56 PM UTC-5, Lucretia Borgia
>>>wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 12:49:29 -0800 (PST), RichD
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >On February 19, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>>> >> >> You visit someone you haven't seen in a while,
>>>> >> >> and bring a bottle of wine, as a gift, or to share.
>>>> >> >> However, you don't know their tastes.
>>>> >> >> What to buy? I figure, everyone enjoys bubbly, therefore
>>>> >> >> cava or prosecco? (I'm on a sub-champagne budget)
>>>> >> >> Or a fruity, simple rose?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> A nice bottle of Henckel Trocken and slices of smoked salmon.
>>>> >
>>>> >Sounds exotic.
>>>> >How would you describe this wine?
>>>> >Is it safe for a casual drinker?
>>>> Henckel Trocken is a German sparkling wine,
>>>
>>>Yes. There, they call it sekt or schaumwein. I wonder if you could call
>>>it
>>>Champagner (auf deutsch) too.
>>>
>>>> as good as any fancy expensive French champagne.
>>>
>>>They share a border, so that wouldn't be surprising.

>>
>>Did anybody ever have German red wine? They produce it, but I think
>>they drink it all themselves.
>>
>>====
>>
>>I know I drank it in Germany, but tbh I stopped drinking wine a long time
>>ago so I don't know!
>>

>Yes, it must be available in Germany. There's just not enough of it to
>export. Or they drink that much
>
>=====
> My daughter lives in Germany and I could ask, but then she won't know
>what is sold here)


Most any liquor store can inform either of you what German red wines
are available where either of you live. And naturally you can both
search on line and have the answer in under a minute.
https://vinepair.com/articles/german-red-wines/
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On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 8:23:44 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:

> Most any liquor store can inform either of you what German red wines
> are available where either of you live. And naturally you can both
> search on line and have the answer in under a minute.
> https://vinepair.com/articles/german-red-wines/


Out of curiosity, I'll have to see if they have any German reds when I'm
at the grocery store Saturday morning.

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>On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 8:23:44 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>
>> Most any liquor store can inform either of you what German red wines
>> are available where either of you live. And naturally you can both
>> search on line and have the answer in under a minute.
>> https://vinepair.com/articles/german-red-wines/

>
>Out of curiosity, I'll have to see if they have any German reds when I'm
>at the grocery store Saturday morning.
>
>Cindy Hamilton


I'll try to remember to ask my onceuponatime Prussian friend at the
Saturday night do, she who came from the town where Henckel Trocken
was/is made, now Germany.
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> On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 8:23:44 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>
> > Most any liquor store can inform either of you what German red wines
> > are available where either of you live. And naturally you can both
> > search on line and have the answer in under a minute.
> > https://vinepair.com/articles/german-red-wines/

> Out of curiosity, I'll have to see if they have any German reds when I'm
> at the grocery store Saturday morning.


Wow OK, well. Liebfrauenmilch, gewurztraminer and riesling are never red. Some of the names of the expensive (prämierte rotweine) there a Weingut Veyder-malberg, Weitenberg Gruner Veltliner, Wittmann Spatburgunder Rotwein Trocken, Gelber Muskateller Klassik Neumeister
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> On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 2:21:01 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>
>> Did anybody ever have German red wine? They produce it, but I think
>> they drink it all themselves.

>
> I did, once. But it was so long ago I can't remember what it was like.
>
>


The Liquor Control Board of Ontario lists 57 German red wines. That
number places them just above Georgia, Israel and Austia. They list
more than 1250 Italian reds and 1200 French reds.

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On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 10:11:28 AM UTC-5, bruce bowser wrote:
> On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 8:41:06 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Thursday, February 25, 2021 at 8:23:44 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
> >
> > > Most any liquor store can inform either of you what German red wines
> > > are available where either of you live. And naturally you can both
> > > search on line and have the answer in under a minute.
> > > https://vinepair.com/articles/german-red-wines/

> > Out of curiosity, I'll have to see if they have any German reds when I'm
> > at the grocery store Saturday morning.

> Wow OK, well. Liebfrauenmilch, gewurztraminer and riesling are never red. Some of the names of the expensive (prämierte rotweine) there a Weingut Veyder-malberg, Weitenberg Gruner Veltliner, Wittmann Spatburgunder Rotwein Trocken, Gelber Muskateller Klassik Neumeister


I don't really expect to find any German reds at the grocery store. But it won't take
me long to look. I was just riffing on Sheldon's comment.

If I wanted a German red, I'd try at one of the nice wine shops in town. If my dusty
old memory serves, the German red I had four decades ago was brought back
by someone who'd traveled to Germany.

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> That number places them just above Georgia, Israel and Austia.


That Austian stuff was great until the Austhoritarians took over.


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>>On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 10:12:29 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>>wrote:
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>>> My daughter lives in Germany and I could ask, but then she won't know
>>>what is sold here)
>>>

>>Maybe she can share her view about why everybody in Europe and the US
>>is probably familiar with German white wine,, most of us have rarely
>>had red.
>>
>>====
>>
>> OK just texted. She says she doesn't know, sorry)

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>On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 10:12:29 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Bruce" wrote in message ...
>>
>>On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 09:53:51 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Bruce" wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 22:39:19 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wednesday, February 24, 2021 at 4:42:56 PM UTC-5, Lucretia Borgia
>>>>wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 12:49:29 -0800 (PST), RichD
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >On February 19, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>>>> >> >> You visit someone you haven't seen in a while,
>>>>> >> >> and bring a bottle of wine, as a gift, or to share.
>>>>> >> >> However, you don't know their tastes.
>>>>> >> >> What to buy? I figure, everyone enjoys bubbly, therefore
>>>>> >> >> cava or prosecco? (I'm on a sub-champagne budget)
>>>>> >> >> Or a fruity, simple rose?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> A nice bottle of Henckel Trocken and slices of smoked salmon.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Sounds exotic.
>>>>> >How would you describe this wine?
>>>>> >Is it safe for a casual drinker?
>>>>> Henckel Trocken is a German sparkling wine,
>>>>
>>>>Yes. There, they call it sekt or schaumwein. I wonder if you could call
>>>>it
>>>>Champagner (auf deutsch) too.
>>>>
>>>>> as good as any fancy expensive French champagne.
>>>>
>>>>They share a border, so that wouldn't be surprising.
>>>
>>>Did anybody ever have German red wine? They produce it, but I think
>>>they drink it all themselves.
>>>
>>>====
>>>
>>>I know I drank it in Germany, but tbh I stopped drinking wine a long time
>>>ago so I don't know!
>>>

>>Yes, it must be available in Germany. There's just not enough of it to
>>export. Or they drink that much
>>
>>=====
>> My daughter lives in Germany and I could ask, but then she won't know
>>what is sold here)

>
>Most any liquor store can inform either of you what German red wines
>are available where either of you live. And naturally you can both
>search on line and have the answer in under a minute.
>https://vinepair.com/articles/german-red-wines/


"Dear Google, did anybody in RFC ever have any German red wine?"

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On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 08:10:52 -0400, Lucretia Borgia
> wrote:

>On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 18:20:54 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 22:39:19 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
> wrote:
>>
>>>Yes. There, they call it sekt or schaumwein. I wonder if you could call it Champagner (auf deutsch) too.
>>>
>>>> as good as any fancy expensive French champagne.
>>>
>>>They share a border, so that wouldn't be surprising.

>>
>>Did anybody ever have German red wine? They produce it, but I think
>>they drink it all themselves.

>
>Maybe, I have never had a German red wine now that you mention it! HT
>is the only white wine I like, other than that it's Merlot or Pinot
>Noir from preference. Although with global warming we are starting to
>produce some good wines locally and I like them and tend to buy local.


Same in the Netherlands. It used to be that they had to make their
wine from grapes that were able to cope with the cold, wet climate,
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>On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 10:12:29 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Bruce" wrote in message
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>>
>>On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 09:53:51 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Bruce" wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 22:39:19 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wednesday, February 24, 2021 at 4:42:56 PM UTC-5, Lucretia Borgia
>>>>wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 12:49:29 -0800 (PST), RichD
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >On February 19, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>>>> >> >> You visit someone you haven't seen in a while,
>>>>> >> >> and bring a bottle of wine, as a gift, or to share.
>>>>> >> >> However, you don't know their tastes.
>>>>> >> >> What to buy? I figure, everyone enjoys bubbly, therefore
>>>>> >> >> cava or prosecco? (I'm on a sub-champagne budget)
>>>>> >> >> Or a fruity, simple rose?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> A nice bottle of Henckel Trocken and slices of smoked salmon.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Sounds exotic.
>>>>> >How would you describe this wine?
>>>>> >Is it safe for a casual drinker?
>>>>> Henckel Trocken is a German sparkling wine,
>>>>
>>>>Yes. There, they call it sekt or schaumwein. I wonder if you could call
>>>>it
>>>>Champagner (auf deutsch) too.
>>>>
>>>>> as good as any fancy expensive French champagne.
>>>>
>>>>They share a border, so that wouldn't be surprising.
>>>
>>>Did anybody ever have German red wine? They produce it, but I think
>>>they drink it all themselves.
>>>
>>>====
>>>
>>>I know I drank it in Germany, but tbh I stopped drinking wine a long time
>>>ago so I don't know!
>>>

>>Yes, it must be available in Germany. There's just not enough of it to
>>export. Or they drink that much
>>
>>=====
>> My daughter lives in Germany and I could ask, but then she won't know
>>what is sold here)

>
>Most any liquor store can inform either of you what German red wines
>are available where either of you live. And naturally you can both
>search on line and have the answer in under a minute.
>https://vinepair.com/articles/german-red-wines/


"Dear Google, did anybody in RFC ever have any German red wine?"

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>>On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 10:12:29 -0000, "Ophelia" >
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>>>
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>>>"Bruce" wrote in message
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>>>
>>>On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 09:53:51 -0000, "Ophelia" >
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Bruce" wrote in message
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>>>>
>>>>On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 22:39:19 -0800 (PST), bruce bowser
> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wednesday, February 24, 2021 at 4:42:56 PM UTC-5, Lucretia Borgia
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 12:49:29 -0800 (PST), RichD
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >On February 19, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>>>>> >> >> You visit someone you haven't seen in a while,
>>>>>> >> >> and bring a bottle of wine, as a gift, or to share.
>>>>>> >> >> However, you don't know their tastes.
>>>>>> >> >> What to buy? I figure, everyone enjoys bubbly, therefore
>>>>>> >> >> cava or prosecco? (I'm on a sub-champagne budget)
>>>>>> >> >> Or a fruity, simple rose?
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> A nice bottle of Henckel Trocken and slices of smoked salmon.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >Sounds exotic.
>>>>>> >How would you describe this wine?
>>>>>> >Is it safe for a casual drinker?
>>>>>> Henckel Trocken is a German sparkling wine,
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes. There, they call it sekt or schaumwein. I wonder if you could call
>>>>>it
>>>>>Champagner (auf deutsch) too.
>>>>>
>>>>>> as good as any fancy expensive French champagne.
>>>>>
>>>>>They share a border, so that wouldn't be surprising.
>>>>
>>>>Did anybody ever have German red wine? They produce it, but I think
>>>>they drink it all themselves.
>>>>
>>>>====
>>>>
>>>>I know I drank it in Germany, but tbh I stopped drinking wine a long time
>>>>ago so I don't know!
>>>>
>>>Yes, it must be available in Germany. There's just not enough of it to
>>>export. Or they drink that much
>>>
>>>=====
>>> My daughter lives in Germany and I could ask, but then she won't know
>>>what is sold here)

>>
>>Most any liquor store can inform either of you what German red wines
>>are available where either of you live. And naturally you can both
>>search on line and have the answer in under a minute.
>>https://vinepair.com/articles/german-red-wines/

>
>"Dear Google, did anybody in RFC ever have any German red wine?"
>
>Well, that didn't work.
>
>
>====
>
> You sure you waited long enough ..


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