On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 05:28:27 +1100, Bruce > wrote:

>On Thu, 18 Mar 2021 10:31:04 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:
>
>>On Thursday, March 18, 2021 at 12:40:33 PM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote:
>>> On 3/13/2021 3:32 PM, notbob wrote:
>>> > On 2021-03-06, Ed > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> My favorite pan for searing is a 10" SS lined copper pan.
>>> >
>>> > Izzat one of those SS "ceramic" pans (like you can buy at WW) or a
>>> > real "SS lined COPPER pan"? I have one of the former and it sucks!!
>>> > I bought a 6" inch "ceramic" version and it's neither non-stick nor
>>> > worth a damn. I bought a "10"" version B4 I knew better. DO NOT buy
>>> > a "copper SS ceramic" skillet! They are NOT normally "non-stick"!!
>>> >
>>> > Even "alum egg pans" (resto grade) are "non-stick" if you put enough
>>> > oil in them.
>>> >
>>> > nb
>>>
>>> I almost exclusively use cast iron. I have 2 stainless steel pans, and
>>> 2 aluminum griddles. I don't trust Teflon or non-stick.
>>
>>Nonstick is no problem if you're wearing your tinfoil hat.
>
>Scientists disagree with you.

"sCieNtIsTs DiSaGrEE wItH YoU"...................... when it SUITS
YOU. Funny how that works, LOL.

On 2021 Mar 18, , Bruce wrote
(in >):

> Scientists disagree with you.

Scientists disagree with each other. Science used to be an honorable
profession. Follow the money.

On Wednesday, March 17, 2021 at 5:47:27 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 12:11:46 PM UTC-5, bruce bowser wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 1:10:51 PM UTC-4, bruce bowser wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 6:17:38 AM UTC-4, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 3:28:08 AM UTC-4, bruce bowser wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 3:32:49 PM UTC-5, notbob wrote:
> > > > > > On 2021-03-06, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > My favorite pan for searing is a 10" SS lined copper pan.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Izzat one of those SS "ceramic" pans (like you can buy at WW) or a
> > > > > > real "SS lined COPPER pan"? I have one of the former and it sucks!!
> > > > > > I bought a 6" inch "ceramic" version and it's neither non-stick nor
> > > > > > worth a damn. I bought a "10"" version B4 I knew better. DO NOT buy
> > > > > > a "copper SS ceramic" skillet! They are NOT normally "non-stick"!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Even "alum egg pans" (resto grade) are "non-stick" if you put enough
> > > > > > oil in them.
> > > > > I wonder how much aluminum residue gets consumed with that.
> > > > Very little. Just don't cook tomato sauce in aluminum.
> > > That must be a problem with V8, a favorite drink.
> > Or Clamato? I heard Budweiser even mixes it with beer, now.
> >
> Only gross people drink Budweiser anyway, and that goes double for
> anyone who drinks it with Clamato.

WAY WRONG !! One of the hottest girls i've seen was drinking a Budweiser
(back in the early 90s).

On Thu, 18 Mar 2021 13:57:23 -0700, Leo >
wrote:

>On 2021 Mar 18, , Bruce wrote
>(in >):
>
>> Scientists disagree with you.
>
>Scientists disagree with each other. Science used to be an honorable
>profession. Follow the money.
>
Ah yes, you're fact intolerant

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On Thu, 18 Mar 2021 13:57:23 -0700, Leo >
wrote:

>On 2021 Mar 18, , Bruce wrote
>(in >):
>
>> Scientists disagree with you.
>
>Scientists disagree with each other. Science used to be an honorable
>profession. Follow the money.

Sadly very true now. Used to be much less common (or perhaps less
overt).

On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 08:14:22 +1100, Bruce > wrote:

>On Thu, 18 Mar 2021 13:57:23 -0700, Leo >
>wrote:
>
>>On 2021 Mar 18, , Bruce wrote
>>(in >):
>>
>>> Scientists disagree with you.
>>
>>Scientists disagree with each other. Science used to be an honorable
>>profession. Follow the money.
>>
>Ah yes, you're fact intolerant

So, you too believe gender is merely a social construct and not based
on biology?

On 2021-03-18 3:28 p.m., Pamela wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 08:14:22 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 18 Mar 2021 13:57:23 -0700, Leo >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2021 Mar 18, , Bruce wrote
>>> (in >):
>>>
>>>> Scientists disagree with you.
>>>
>>> Scientists disagree with each other. Science used to be an honorable
>>> profession. Follow the money.
>>>
>> Ah yes, you're fact intolerant
>
> So, you too believe gender is merely a social construct and not based
> on biology?
>
Sex is biological.
Gender is a grammatical term, so in its current mis-usage, yes, it is a
social construct.

On Wed, 17 Mar 2021 18:30:54 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:

> I can't help but think about some of the gender confused people I have
> seen that dress outrageously and then get all bent out of shape when
> someone gives the the attention they are so desperately seeking. The
> problem is not with the people who react. It is with the people who
> actively seek but then scorn the expected attention.

How are you on using (live) body parts as an artistic expression?

You know, the golf-ball-sized earrings held on with a strip of earlobe,
tongue piercing that adds 'justh a traith of a lithp', and tattoos so
****ing thick that the individual components are no longer visible.

I'm waiting for the logical next step using Arduino robotic technology
and super-strong rare earth magnets, but I don't want to say anything
until I've cornered the market on whatever they make them from.

On 3/18/2021 1:31 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Thursday, March 18, 2021 at 12:40:33 PM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote:
>> On 3/13/2021 3:32 PM, notbob wrote:
>>> On 2021-03-06, Ed > wrote:
>>>
>>>> My favorite pan for searing is a 10" SS lined copper pan.
>>>
>>> Izzat one of those SS "ceramic" pans (like you can buy at WW) or a
>>> real "SS lined COPPER pan"? I have one of the former and it sucks!!
>>> I bought a 6" inch "ceramic" version and it's neither non-stick nor
>>> worth a damn. I bought a "10"" version B4 I knew better. DO NOT buy
>>> a "copper SS ceramic" skillet! They are NOT normally "non-stick"!!
>>>
>>> Even "alum egg pans" (resto grade) are "non-stick" if you put enough
>>> oil in them.
>>>
>>> nb
>>
>> I almost exclusively use cast iron. I have 2 stainless steel pans, and
>> 2 aluminum griddles. I don't trust Teflon or non-stick.
>
> Nonstick is no problem if you're wearing your tinfoil hat.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

Yikes... guess people aren't allowed to have an opinion anymore.

To reply in your style... Hopefully the tin foil hat will fit over your
mouth to prevent you from eating the food from the non-stick skillet
once the Teflon starts to flake up. Don't tell me you've never seen a
Teflon skillet start to leave black Teflon flakes in food, because I
sure have. Gross!

On 3/18/2021 11:44 PM, Michael Trew wrote:

>
> Don't tell me you've never seen a
> Teflon skillet start to leave black Teflon flakes in food, because I
> sure have.Â* Gross!

I never have. Probably from over heating the pan. Could even be crud
from burned on food from a misused pan. It is inert and will pass
anyway.

On Thursday, March 18, 2021 at 10:52:24 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> On 3/18/2021 11:44 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
> >
> > Don't tell me you've never seen a
> > Teflon skillet start to leave black Teflon flakes in food, because I
> > sure have. Gross!
> >
> I never have. Probably from over heating the pan. Could even be crud
> from burned on food from a misused pan. It is inert and will pass
> anyway.
>
I haven't either and I've been using Teflon pans, especially skillets, for
at least 25 years. Never a flake.

On Thu, 18 Mar 2021 23:44:42 -0400, Michael Trew >
wrote:

>On 3/18/2021 1:31 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Thursday, March 18, 2021 at 12:40:33 PM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote:
>>> On 3/13/2021 3:32 PM, notbob wrote:
>>>> On 2021-03-06, Ed > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> My favorite pan for searing is a 10" SS lined copper pan.
>>>>
>>>> Izzat one of those SS "ceramic" pans (like you can buy at WW) or a
>>>> real "SS lined COPPER pan"? I have one of the former and it sucks!!
>>>> I bought a 6" inch "ceramic" version and it's neither non-stick nor
>>>> worth a damn. I bought a "10"" version B4 I knew better. DO NOT buy
>>>> a "copper SS ceramic" skillet! They are NOT normally "non-stick"!!
>>>>
>>>> Even "alum egg pans" (resto grade) are "non-stick" if you put enough
>>>> oil in them.
>>>>
>>>> nb
>>>
>>> I almost exclusively use cast iron. I have 2 stainless steel pans, and
>>> 2 aluminum griddles. I don't trust Teflon or non-stick.
>>
>> Nonstick is no problem if you're wearing your tinfoil hat.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
>Yikes... guess people aren't allowed to have an opinion anymore.
>
>To reply in your style... Hopefully the tin foil hat will fit over your
>mouth to prevent you from eating the food from the non-stick skillet
>once the Teflon starts to flake up. Don't tell me you've never seen a
>Teflon skillet start to leave black Teflon flakes in food, because I
>sure have. Gross!

Maybe, every time she fries an egg in her teflon pan, she replaces the
pan afterwards.

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On Thu, 18 Mar 2021 23:52:12 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 3/18/2021 11:44 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
>
>>
>> Don't tell me you've never seen a
>> Teflon skillet start to leave black Teflon flakes in food, because I
>> sure have.Â* Gross!
>
>I never have. Probably from over heating the pan. Could even be crud
>from burned on food from a misused pan.

It will happen eventually regardless.

> It is inert and will pass anyway.

Wrong. What do you base that on? "I always did it, so it must be ok?"

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On Thu, 18 Mar 2021 21:10:28 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>On Thursday, March 18, 2021 at 10:52:24 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>> On 3/18/2021 11:44 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
>> >
>> > Don't tell me you've never seen a
>> > Teflon skillet start to leave black Teflon flakes in food, because I
>> > sure have. Gross!
>> >
>> I never have. Probably from over heating the pan. Could even be crud
>> from burned on food from a misused pan. It is inert and will pass
>> anyway.
>>
>I haven't either and I've been using Teflon pans, especially skillets, for
>at least 25 years. Never a flake.

lol

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On 3/19/2021 12:10 AM, wrote:
> On Thursday, March 18, 2021 at 10:52:24 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>> On 3/18/2021 11:44 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
>>>
>>> Don't tell me you've never seen a
>>> Teflon skillet start to leave black Teflon flakes in food, because I
>>> sure have. Gross!
>>>
>> I never have. Probably from over heating the pan. Could even be crud
>> from burned on food from a misused pan. It is inert and will pass
>> anyway.
>>
> I haven't either and I've been using Teflon pans, especially skillets, for
> at least 25 years. Never a flake.

Maybe y'all are better off, but growing up, I we had Teflon pans that
would flake Teflon into the food. Yes, flake -- there were bare spots
in the Teflon coating. Gross. I'll take real cookware please. Grandma
knew best -- cast iron and stainless steel.

On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 00:48:50 -0400, Michael Trew >
wrote:

>On 3/19/2021 12:10 AM, wrote:
>> On Thursday, March 18, 2021 at 10:52:24 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>
>>> On 3/18/2021 11:44 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Don't tell me you've never seen a
>>>> Teflon skillet start to leave black Teflon flakes in food, because I
>>>> sure have. Gross!
>>>>
>>> I never have. Probably from over heating the pan. Could even be crud
>>> from burned on food from a misused pan. It is inert and will pass
>>> anyway.
>>>
>> I haven't either and I've been using Teflon pans, especially skillets, for
>> at least 25 years. Never a flake.
>
>Maybe y'all are better off, but growing up, I we had Teflon pans that
>would flake Teflon into the food. Yes, flake -- there were bare spots
>in the Teflon coating. Gross. I'll take real cookware please. Grandma
>knew best -- cast iron and stainless steel.

It's hard to convince people that there's something wrong with what
they've always done. People don't like to hear that, so it's not true.

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On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 00:48:50 -0400, Michael Trew >
wrote:

>On 3/19/2021 12:10 AM, wrote:
>> On Thursday, March 18, 2021 at 10:52:24 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>
>>> On 3/18/2021 11:44 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Don't tell me you've never seen a
>>>> Teflon skillet start to leave black Teflon flakes in food, because I
>>>> sure have. Gross!
>>>>
>>> I never have. Probably from over heating the pan. Could even be crud
>>> from burned on food from a misused pan. It is inert and will pass
>>> anyway.
>>>
>> I haven't either and I've been using Teflon pans, especially skillets, for
>> at least 25 years. Never a flake.
>
>Maybe y'all are better off, but growing up, I we had Teflon pans that
>would flake Teflon into the food. Yes, flake -- there were bare spots
>in the Teflon coating. Gross. I'll take real cookware please. Grandma
>knew best -- cast iron and stainless steel.

I've never seen that. I've had some non-stick baking pans for a long,
long time and no flaking. You don't overheat the pans or use metal
utensils on them.

On 3/19/2021 1:17 AM, US Janet wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 00:48:50 -0400, Michael >
> wrote:
>
>> On 3/19/2021 12:10 AM, wrote:
>>> On Thursday, March 18, 2021 at 10:52:24 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 3/18/2021 11:44 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't tell me you've never seen a
>>>>> Teflon skillet start to leave black Teflon flakes in food, because I
>>>>> sure have. Gross!
>>>>>
>>>> I never have. Probably from over heating the pan. Could even be crud
>>>> from burned on food from a misused pan. It is inert and will pass
>>>> anyway.
>>>>
>>> I haven't either and I've been using Teflon pans, especially skillets, for
>>> at least 25 years. Never a flake.
>>
>> Maybe y'all are better off, but growing up, I we had Teflon pans that
>> would flake Teflon into the food. Yes, flake -- there were bare spots
>> in the Teflon coating. Gross. I'll take real cookware please. Grandma
>> knew best -- cast iron and stainless steel.
>
> I've never seen that. I've had some non-stick baking pans for a long,
> long time and no flaking. You don't overheat the pans or use metal
> utensils on them.

I wasn't the one cooking in them back then, but that's quite possible.
They were likely cheap pans to begin with. That being said, they feel
and look cheap & flimsy to me, and I can't shake the "gross" feeling.

On Thursday, March 18, 2021 at 6:48:49 PM UTC-10, Michael Trew wrote:
> On 3/19/2021 12:10 AM, wrote:
> > On Thursday, March 18, 2021 at 10:52:24 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>
> >> On 3/18/2021 11:44 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Don't tell me you've never seen a
> >>> Teflon skillet start to leave black Teflon flakes in food, because I
> >>> sure have. Gross!
> >>>
> >> I never have. Probably from over heating the pan. Could even be crud
> >> from burned on food from a misused pan. It is inert and will pass
> >> anyway.
> >>
> > I haven't either and I've been using Teflon pans, especially skillets, for
> > at least 25 years. Never a flake.
> Maybe y'all are better off, but growing up, I we had Teflon pans that
> would flake Teflon into the food. Yes, flake -- there were bare spots
> in the Teflon coating. Gross. I'll take real cookware please. Grandma
> knew best -- cast iron and stainless steel.

I think I used to see that when I was a kid. I wasn't too worried about it since Teflon is one of the most inert substance on this planet.

On Thu, 18 Mar 2021 22:56:49 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> wrote:

>On Thursday, March 18, 2021 at 6:48:49 PM UTC-10, Michael Trew wrote:
>> On 3/19/2021 12:10 AM, wrote:
>> > On Thursday, March 18, 2021 at 10:52:24 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On 3/18/2021 11:44 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Don't tell me you've never seen a
>> >>> Teflon skillet start to leave black Teflon flakes in food, because I
>> >>> sure have. Gross!
>> >>>
>> >> I never have. Probably from over heating the pan. Could even be crud
>> >> from burned on food from a misused pan. It is inert and will pass
>> >> anyway.
>> >>
>> > I haven't either and I've been using Teflon pans, especially skillets, for
>> > at least 25 years. Never a flake.
>> Maybe y'all are better off, but growing up, I we had Teflon pans that
>> would flake Teflon into the food. Yes, flake -- there were bare spots
>> in the Teflon coating. Gross. I'll take real cookware please. Grandma
>> knew best -- cast iron and stainless steel.
>
>I think I used to see that when I was a kid. I wasn't too worried about it since Teflon is one of the most inert substance on this planet.

"Up until 2015, Teflon was made using a chemical called
perfluorooctonoic acid, or PFOA. It is a suspected carcinogen, hormone
disruptor, and reproductive toxin."

PFOA's being phased out. "However, there is little to no information
about what the alternative process or chemicals are."

<https://www.ecoparent.ca/eco-home/teflon-really-so-bad>

Oh, and keep birds out of the kitchen if you use teflon. It can kill
them on the spot.

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On Friday, March 19, 2021 at 12:48:49 AM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote:
> On 3/19/2021 12:10 AM, wrote:
> > On Thursday, March 18, 2021 at 10:52:24 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>
> >> On 3/18/2021 11:44 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Don't tell me you've never seen a
> >>> Teflon skillet start to leave black Teflon flakes in food, because I
> >>> sure have. Gross!
> >>>
> >> I never have. Probably from over heating the pan. Could even be crud
> >> from burned on food from a misused pan. It is inert and will pass
> >> anyway.
> >>
> > I haven't either and I've been using Teflon pans, especially skillets, for
> > at least 25 years. Never a flake.
> Maybe y'all are better off, but growing up, I we had Teflon pans that
> would flake Teflon into the food. Yes, flake -- there were bare spots
> in the Teflon coating. Gross. I'll take real cookware please. Grandma
> knew best -- cast iron and stainless steel.

Growing up, computers took up an entire building.

Technology has marched on.

Cindy Hamilton

On Friday, March 19, 2021 at 12:10:32 AM UTC-4, wrote:
> On Thursday, March 18, 2021 at 10:52:24 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >
> > On 3/18/2021 11:44 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
> > >
> > > Don't tell me you've never seen a
> > > Teflon skillet start to leave black Teflon flakes in food, because I
> > > sure have. Gross!
> > >
> > I never have. Probably from over heating the pan. Could even be crud
> > from burned on food from a misused pan. It is inert and will pass
> > anyway.
>
> I haven't either and I've been using Teflon pans, especially skillets, for
> at least 25 years. Never a flake.

Its probably what you cook.

On 3/19/2021 12:40 AM, Bruce wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Mar 2021 23:52:12 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 3/18/2021 11:44 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Don't tell me you've never seen a
>>> Teflon skillet start to leave black Teflon flakes in food, because I
>>> sure have.Â* Gross!
>>
>> I never have. Probably from over heating the pan. Could even be crud
>>from burned on food from a misused pan.
>
> It will happen eventually regardless.

Only if a cheap pan and probably mis-used. I've used many pans and
never had a problem. Eventually it does lose some properties and I toss
the pan after 5 or 10 years.


>
>> It is inert and will pass anyway.
>
> Wrong. What do you base that on? "I always did it, so it must be ok?"
>

If wrong, prove it. It has been well know to be inert and many
references available

Most nonstick pans are coated with polytetrafluoroethylene, also known
as Teflon. The good news is that ingesting small flakes of nonstick
coating is not dangerous. The material will most likely just pass
through the body.

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition...OC_TITLE_HDR_3

Teflon and PFOA Exposure
Today, all Teflon products are PFOA-free. Therefore, the health effects
of PFOA exposure are no longer a cause for concern.

On 2021-03-19 9:42 a.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 3/19/2021 12:40 AM, Bruce wrote:

>> It will happen eventually regardless.
>
> Only if a cheap pan and probably mis-used.Â* I've used many pans and
> never had a problem.Â* Eventually it does lose some properties and I toss
> the pan after 5 or 10 years.
>
>

Overheating non stick will kill them. My wife is notorious for doing
that. I once bought myself a very pricey non stick pan and told her she
could not use it. One night I was working the afternoon shift and she
used it. My son told her she was not supposed to use it but she went
ahead and over heated it, ruined the nonstick and warped the pan.

On 3/18/2021 10:06 AM, Gary wrote:
> On 3/17/2021 3:27 PM, bruce bowser wrote:
>> On Wednesday, March 17, 2021 at 10:11:29 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>>> bruce bowser wrote:
>>>> V8, a favorite drink.
>>>>
>>>> Or Clamato? I heard Budweiser even mixes it with beer, now.
>>> Don't know about these days but back in the early 1970's "Red Beer" was
>>> a popular bar drink in Nebraska. Just tomato juice mixed with regular
>>> beer. I tried it once. It was OK but I never made it again.
>>
>
> I used to mix dry white wine with diet Coke. I called it a good wine
> cooler. I discovered that mix by accident but it turned out pretty
> tasty. Two parts wine to one part diet coke or sometimes 50/50 mix.
>
That sounds awful!

Jill

On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 11:06:13 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:

> Overheating non stick will kill them. My wife is notorious for doing
> that. I once bought myself a very pricey non stick pan and told her she
> could not use it. One night I was working the afternoon shift and she
> used it. My son told her she was not supposed to use it but she went
> ahead and over heated it, ruined the nonstick and warped the pan.

And what did you learn from the whole episode?

On Friday, March 19, 2021 at 12:06:39 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> On 3/18/2021 10:06 AM, Gary wrote:
> > On 3/17/2021 3:27 PM, bruce bowser wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, March 17, 2021 at 10:11:29 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> >>> bruce bowser wrote:
> >>>> V8, a favorite drink.
> >>>>
> >>>> Or Clamato? I heard Budweiser even mixes it with beer, now.
> >>> Don't know about these days but back in the early 1970's "Red Beer" was
> >>> a popular bar drink in Nebraska. Just tomato juice mixed with regular
> >>> beer. I tried it once. It was OK but I never made it again.
> >>
> >
> > I used to mix dry white wine with diet Coke. I called it a good wine
> > cooler. I discovered that mix by accident but it turned out pretty
> > tasty. Two parts wine to one part diet coke or sometimes 50/50 mix.
>
> That sounds awful!

it is.

On 2021-03-19 12:08 p.m., Mike Duffy wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 11:06:13 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> Overheating non stick will kill them. My wife is notorious for doing
>> that. I once bought myself a very pricey non stick pan and told her she
>> could not use it. One night I was working the afternoon shift and she
>> used it. My son told her she was not supposed to use it but she went
>> ahead and over heated it, ruined the nonstick and warped the pan.
>
> And what did you learn from the whole episode?
>

That she is Dutch and if I tell her not to do something she will go
ahead and do it.

On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 12:06:26 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 3/18/2021 10:06 AM, Gary wrote:
>> On 3/17/2021 3:27 PM, bruce bowser wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, March 17, 2021 at 10:11:29 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>>>> bruce bowser wrote:
>>>>> V8, a favorite drink.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or Clamato? I heard Budweiser even mixes it with beer, now.
>>>> Don't know about these days but back in the early 1970's "Red Beer" was
>>>> a popular bar drink in Nebraska. Just tomato juice mixed with regular
>>>> beer. I tried it once. It was OK but I never made it again.
>>>
>>
>> I used to mix dry white wine with diet Coke. I called it a good wine
>> cooler. I discovered that mix by accident but it turned out pretty
>> tasty. Two parts wine to one part diet coke or sometimes 50/50 mix.
>>
>That sounds awful!
>
>Jill

What's the good word? Thunderbird is much better.

On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 09:42:14 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 3/19/2021 12:40 AM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Thu, 18 Mar 2021 23:52:12 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/18/2021 11:44 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Don't tell me you've never seen a
>>>> Teflon skillet start to leave black Teflon flakes in food, because I
>>>> sure have.Â* Gross!
>>>
>>> I never have. Probably from over heating the pan. Could even be crud
>>>from burned on food from a misused pan.
>>
>> It will happen eventually regardless.
>
>Only if a cheap pan and probably mis-used. I've used many pans and
>never had a problem. Eventually it does lose some properties and I toss
>the pan after 5 or 10 years.
>
>
>>
>>> It is inert and will pass anyway.
>>
>> Wrong. What do you base that on? "I always did it, so it must be ok?"
>>
>
>If wrong, prove it. It has been well know to be inert and many
>references available
>
>Most nonstick pans are coated with polytetrafluoroethylene, also known
>as Teflon. The good news is that ingesting small flakes of nonstick
>coating is not dangerous. The material will most likely just pass
>through the body.
>
>https://www.healthline.com/nutrition...OC_TITLE_HDR_3
>
>Teflon and PFOA Exposure
>Today, all Teflon products are PFOA-free. Therefore, the health effects
>of PFOA exposure are no longer a cause for concern.

I give up Enjoy!

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On 3/19/2021 1:25 PM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 12:06:26 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 3/18/2021 10:06 AM, Gary wrote:
>>> I used to mix dry white wine with diet Coke. I called it a good wine
>>> cooler. I discovered that mix by accident but it turned out pretty
>>> tasty. Two parts wine to one part diet coke or sometimes 50/50 mix.
>>>
>> That sounds awful!
>>
>> Jill
>
> What's the good word? Thunderbird is much better.
>
Beats the hell out of me but the thought of combining wine with diet
Coke is gross.

Jill

On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 15:31:20 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 3/19/2021 1:25 PM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
>> On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 12:06:26 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/18/2021 10:06 AM, Gary wrote:
>>>> I used to mix dry white wine with diet Coke. I called it a good wine
>>>> cooler. I discovered that mix by accident but it turned out pretty
>>>> tasty. Two parts wine to one part diet coke or sometimes 50/50 mix.
>>>>
>>> That sounds awful!
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> What's the good word? Thunderbird is much better.
>>
>Beats the hell out of me but the thought of combining wine with diet
>Coke is gross.

+1

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Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 3/19/2021 12:40 AM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Thu, 18 Mar 2021 23:52:12 -0400, Ed Pawlowski >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/18/2021 11:44 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> * Don't tell me you've never seen a
>>>> Teflon skillet start to leave black Teflon flakes in food,
>>>> because I
>>>> sure have.Â* Gross!
>>>
>>> I never have.* Probably from over heating the pan. Could even be
>>> crud
>>> from burned on food from a misused pan.
>>
>> It will happen eventually regardless.
>
> Only if a cheap pan and probably mis-used.* I've used many pans and
> never had a problem.* Eventually it does lose some properties and I
> toss the pan after 5 or 10 years.
>
>

Even the cheap pans are fine; they just don't last as long. When
even expensive teflon pan start showing signs of age, toss them and
replace. Most are not that expensive.

None of them are worth a damn for high heat, like searing steaks.

Use them for frying eggs and such.

Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2021-03-19 9:42 a.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 3/19/2021 12:40 AM, Bruce wrote:
>
>>> It will happen eventually regardless.
>>
>> Only if a cheap pan and probably mis-used.Â* I've used many pans
>> and never had a problem.Â* Eventually it does lose some
>> properties and I toss the pan after 5 or 10 years.
>>
>>
>
> Overheating non stick will kill them. My wife is notorious for
> doing that. I once bought myself a very pricey non stick pan and
> told her she could not use it.* One night I was working the
> afternoon shift and she used it. My son told her she was not
> supposed to use it but she went ahead and over heated it, ruined
> the nonstick and warped the pan.
>

Master Druce will be on this like flies on shit!

Bruce wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 09:42:14 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 3/19/2021 12:40 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Thu, 18 Mar 2021 23:52:12 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3/18/2021 11:44 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't tell me you've never seen a
>>>>> Teflon skillet start to leave black Teflon flakes in food, because I
>>>>> sure have.Â* Gross!
>>>>
>>>> I never have. Probably from over heating the pan. Could even be crud
>>> >from burned on food from a misused pan.
>>>
>>> It will happen eventually regardless.
>>
>> Only if a cheap pan and probably mis-used. I've used many pans and
>> never had a problem. Eventually it does lose some properties and I toss
>> the pan after 5 or 10 years.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> It is inert and will pass anyway.
>>>
>>> Wrong. What do you base that on? "I always did it, so it must be ok?"
>>>
>>
>> If wrong, prove it. It has been well know to be inert and many
>> references available
>>
>> Most nonstick pans are coated with polytetrafluoroethylene, also known
>> as Teflon. The good news is that ingesting small flakes of nonstick
>> coating is not dangerous. The material will most likely just pass
>> through the body.
>>
>> https://www.healthline.com/nutrition...OC_TITLE_HDR_3
>>
>> Teflon and PFOA Exposure
>> Today, all Teflon products are PFOA-free. Therefore, the health effects
>> of PFOA exposure are no longer a cause for concern.
>
> I give up Enjoy!
>

You're so generous, Master!

On 2021-03-19 1:31 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
> On 3/19/2021 1:25 PM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
>> On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 12:06:26 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/18/2021 10:06 AM, Gary wrote:
>>>> I used to mix dry white wine with diet Coke. I called it a good wine
>>>> cooler. I discovered that mix by accident but it turned out pretty
>>>> tasty. Two parts wine to one part diet coke or sometimes 50/50 mix.
>>>>
>>> That sounds awful!
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> What's the good word?Â* Thunderbird is much better.
>>
> Beats the hell out of me but the thought of combining wine with diet
> Coke is gross.
>
> Jill
Apparently, the Chinese nouveau riche do it all the time:-(

On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 14:15:51 -0600, Graham > wrote:

>On 2021-03-19 1:31 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>> On 3/19/2021 1:25 PM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
>>> On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 12:06:26 -0400, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3/18/2021 10:06 AM, Gary wrote:
>>>>> I used to mix dry white wine with diet Coke. I called it a good wine
>>>>> cooler. I discovered that mix by accident but it turned out pretty
>>>>> tasty. Two parts wine to one part diet coke or sometimes 50/50 mix.
>>>>>
>>>> That sounds awful!
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>> What's the good word?Â* Thunderbird is much better.
>>>
>> Beats the hell out of me but the thought of combining wine with diet
>> Coke is gross.
>>
>> Jill
>Apparently, the Chinese nouveau riche do it all the time:-(

Then we can sell them our most horrible white wine. They won't be able
to taste it anyway. Best mix it with coke before exporting.

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On Friday, March 19, 2021 at 10:16:04 AM UTC-10, Graham wrote:
> On 2021-03-19 1:31 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
> > On 3/19/2021 1:25 PM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
> >> On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 12:06:26 -0400, jmcquown >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 3/18/2021 10:06 AM, Gary wrote:
> >>>> I used to mix dry white wine with diet Coke. I called it a good wine
> >>>> cooler. I discovered that mix by accident but it turned out pretty
> >>>> tasty. Two parts wine to one part diet coke or sometimes 50/50 mix.
> >>>>
> >>> That sounds awful!
> >>>
> >>> Jill
> >>
> >> What's the good word? Thunderbird is much better.
> >>
> > Beats the hell out of me but the thought of combining wine with diet
> > Coke is gross.
> >
> > Jill
> Apparently, the Chinese nouveau riche do it all the time:-(

I'd drink that! No, I wouldn't because I don't drink alcohol. But if I did, I'd drink that! Well at least once, that is.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/kalim...rink_n_1428364

On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 12:29:00 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:

> On 2021-03-19 12:08 p.m., Mike Duffy wrote:

>> And what did you learn from the whole episode?
>>
>>
> That she is Dutch and if I tell her not to do something she will go
> ahead and do it.

+1. And the lesson was worth more than a frying pan.

Mike Duffy wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 12:29:00 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> On 2021-03-19 12:08 p.m., Mike Duffy wrote:
>
>>> And what did you learn from the whole episode?
>>>
>>>
>> That she is Dutch and if I tell her not to do something she will go
>> ahead and do it.
>
> +1. And the lesson was worth more than a frying pan.
>

Maybe at some point in time, master druce was told not to sniff asses.