jmcquown wrote:
> Gary wrote:
>> I used to mix dry white wine with diet Coke. I called it a good wine
>> cooler. I discovered that mix by accident but it turned out pretty
>> tasty. Two parts wine to one part diet coke or sometimes 50/50 mix.
>>
> That sounds awful!

I always used ginger ale or a citrus drink. One day, I was out of those
and only had Diet Coke here so I tried it. It was surprisingly good and
even better than the usual things. I ended up sticking with the Diet Coke.

In a future experiment, I tried Root Beer with the wine.
Now *THAT* was an awful mix.

bruce bowser wrote:
> wrote:
>> Gary wrote:
>>> I used to mix dry white wine with diet Coke. I called it a good wine
>>> cooler. I discovered that mix by accident but it turned out pretty
>>> tasty. Two parts wine to one part diet coke or sometimes 50/50 mix.
>>
>> That sounds awful!
>
> it is.

But, but...are you just guessing or did you try it?
If you actually tried it, you're just as weird as me.
Only difference is that I liked it and you didn't.
:-D

jmcquown wrote:
> Beats the hell out of me but the thought of combining wine with diet
> Coke is gross.

Try just a sip and get back to me.
OTOH, drinking plain wine with a meal is disgusting to me.
Different strokes...

On 3/20/2021 2:07 PM, Gary wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>> Â*Gary wrote:
>>> I used to mix dry white wine with diet Coke. I called it a good wine
>>> cooler. I discovered that mix by accident but it turned out pretty
>>> tasty. Two parts wine to one part diet coke or sometimes 50/50 mix.
>>>
>> That sounds awful!
>
> I always used ginger ale or a citrus drink. One day, I was out of those
> and only had Diet Coke here so I tried it. It was surprisingly good and
> even better than the usual things. I ended up sticking with the Diet Coke.
>
> In a future experiment, I tried Root Beer with the wine.
> Now *THAT* was an awful mix.
>
I believe it! The only thing I ever mixed white wine with was club soda
(it's called a 'wine spritzer') and that was back in the early 1980's or so.

Jill

On 3/20/2021 2:24 PM, Gary wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>> Beats the hell out of me but the thought of combining wine with diet
>> Coke is gross.
>
> Try just a sip and get back to me.
> OTOH, drinking plain wine with a meal is disgusting to me.
> Different strokes...
>

I won't be trying a sip because I'd have to buy diet Coke/soda pop. I
also don't drink wine with a meal. The rare occasion for that would be
if I am out with friends at a restaurant but generally not even then,
just ice water with the meal is fine with me. But yeah, different
strokes...

Jill

On 2021-03-20 12:29 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
> On 3/20/2021 2:07 PM, Gary wrote:
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>> Â*Gary wrote:
>>>> I used to mix dry white wine with diet Coke. I called it a good wine
>>>> cooler. I discovered that mix by accident but it turned out pretty
>>>> tasty. Two parts wine to one part diet coke or sometimes 50/50 mix.
>>>>
>>> That sounds awful!
>>
>> I always used ginger ale or a citrus drink. One day, I was out of
>> those and only had Diet Coke here so I tried it. It was surprisingly
>> good and even better than the usual things. I ended up sticking with
>> the Diet Coke.
>>
>> In a future experiment, I tried Root Beer with the wine.
>> Now *THAT* was an awful mix.
>>
> I believe it!Â* The only thing I ever mixed white wine with was club soda
> (it's called a 'wine spritzer') and that was back in the early 1980's or
> so.
>
> Jill
>
Still OK on a hot day! Perhaps with a bit of ice as well.

On 3/20/2021 3:09 PM, Graham wrote:
> On 2021-03-20 12:29 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>> On 3/20/2021 2:07 PM, Gary wrote:
>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>> Â*Gary wrote:
>>>>> I used to mix dry white wine with diet Coke. I called it a good wine
>>>>> cooler. I discovered that mix by accident but it turned out pretty
>>>>> tasty. Two parts wine to one part diet coke or sometimes 50/50 mix.
>>>>>
>>>> That sounds awful!
>>>
>>> I always used ginger ale or a citrus drink. One day, I was out of
>>> those and only had Diet Coke here so I tried it. It was surprisingly
>>> good and even better than the usual things. I ended up sticking with
>>> the Diet Coke.
>>>
>>> In a future experiment, I tried Root Beer with the wine.
>>> Now *THAT* was an awful mix.
>>>
>> I believe it!Â* The only thing I ever mixed white wine with was club
>> soda (it's called a 'wine spritzer') and that was back in the early
>> 1980's or so.
>>
>> Jill
>>
> Still OK on a hot day! Perhaps with a bit of ice as well.

Yes, served in a glass with a bit of ice. I recall a little wedge of
lime as a garnish although lemon would work just as well. Quite
refreshing on a hot day. Not overly sweet like the soda pop fake sugar
would add. As Gary keeps saying, different strokes. )

Jill

On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 14:29:59 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 3/20/2021 2:07 PM, Gary wrote:
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>> *Gary wrote:
>>>> I used to mix dry white wine with diet Coke. I called it a good wine
>>>> cooler. I discovered that mix by accident but it turned out pretty
>>>> tasty. Two parts wine to one part diet coke or sometimes 50/50 mix.
>>>>
>>> That sounds awful!
>>
>> I always used ginger ale or a citrus drink. One day, I was out of those
>> and only had Diet Coke here so I tried it. It was surprisingly good and
>> even better than the usual things. I ended up sticking with the Diet Coke.
>>
>> In a future experiment, I tried Root Beer with the wine.
>> Now *THAT* was an awful mix.
>>
>I believe it! The only thing I ever mixed white wine with was club soda
>(it's called a 'wine spritzer') and that was back in the early 1980's or so.
>
>Jill
yes. that is refreshing
Janet US

On 3/20/2021 3:34 PM, US Janet wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 14:29:59 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 3/20/2021 2:07 PM, Gary wrote:
>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>> Â*Gary wrote:
>>>>> I used to mix dry white wine with diet Coke. I called it a good wine
>>>>> cooler. I discovered that mix by accident but it turned out pretty
>>>>> tasty. Two parts wine to one part diet coke or sometimes 50/50 mix.
>>>>>
>>>> That sounds awful!
>>>
>>> I always used ginger ale or a citrus drink. One day, I was out of those
>>> and only had Diet Coke here so I tried it. It was surprisingly good and
>>> even better than the usual things. I ended up sticking with the Diet Coke.
>>>
>>> In a future experiment, I tried Root Beer with the wine.
>>> Now *THAT* was an awful mix.
>>>
>> I believe it! The only thing I ever mixed white wine with was club soda
>> (it's called a 'wine spritzer') and that was back in the early 1980's or so.
>>
>> Jill
> yes. that is refreshing
> Janet US
>


Campari Spritz. My beverage of choice on my last trip to Italia.

On Saturday, March 20, 2021 at 2:36:01 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> On 3/20/2021 2:24 PM, Gary wrote:
> > jmcquown wrote:
> >> Beats the hell out of me but the thought of combining wine with diet
> >> Coke is gross.
> >
> > Try just a sip and get back to me.
> > OTOH, drinking plain wine with a meal is disgusting to me.
> > Different strokes...
> >
> I won't be trying a sip because I'd have to buy diet Coke/soda pop. I
> also don't drink wine with a meal. The rare occasion for that would be
> if I am out with friends at a restaurant but generally not even then,
> just ice water with the meal is fine with me. But yeah, different
> strokes...

Well if you are basically a light-enough meat eater, then the red wine with beef or white wine with poultry/seafood thingy might not even make a difference.

On Thursday, March 18, 2021 at 5:00:29 PM UTC-4, bruce bowser wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 17, 2021 at 5:47:27 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 12:11:46 PM UTC-5, bruce bowser wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 1:10:51 PM UTC-4, bruce bowser wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 6:17:38 AM UTC-4, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 3:28:08 AM UTC-4, bruce bowser wrote:
> > > > > > On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 3:32:49 PM UTC-5, notbob wrote:
> > > > > > > On 2021-03-06, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > My favorite pan for searing is a 10" SS lined copper pan.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Izzat one of those SS "ceramic" pans (like you can buy at WW) or a
> > > > > > > real "SS lined COPPER pan"? I have one of the former and it sucks!!
> > > > > > > I bought a 6" inch "ceramic" version and it's neither non-stick nor
> > > > > > > worth a damn. I bought a "10"" version B4 I knew better. DO NOT buy
> > > > > > > a "copper SS ceramic" skillet! They are NOT normally "non-stick"!!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Even "alum egg pans" (resto grade) are "non-stick" if you put enough
> > > > > > > oil in them.
> > > > > > I wonder how much aluminum residue gets consumed with that.
> > > > > Very little. Just don't cook tomato sauce in aluminum.
> > > > That must be a problem with V8, a favorite drink.
> > > Or Clamato? I heard Budweiser even mixes it with beer, now.
> > >
> > Only gross people drink Budweiser anyway, and that goes double for
> > anyone who drinks it with Clamato.
>
> WAY WRONG !! One of the hottest girls i've seen was drinking a Budweiser
> (back in the early 90s).

OK the early 2000s, like the last 30 minutes of "Miss Congeniality".

On 2021-03-18, Michael Trew > wrote:

> I don't trust Teflon or non-stick.

You can't even trust them, anymore.

I bought a "Mainstays(WW house-brand)" 6" skillet (which usta be
non-stick, which it is no longer) to replace my "ceramic" skillets.
I'm taking it back (egg stuck)!

nb

On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 10:28:08 AM UTC-4, notbob wrote:
> On 2021-03-18, Michael Trew > wrote:
>
> > I don't trust Teflon or non-stick.
>
> You can't even trust them, anymore.
>
> I bought a "Mainstays(WW house-brand)" 6" skillet (which usta be
> non-stick, which it is no longer) to replace my "ceramic" skillets.
> I'm taking it back (egg stuck)!
>
> nb

WTF? We've got nonstick pans that are _years_ old and eggs don't stick
to them. I assume WW is WallyWorld, aka WalMart ?

Try this one (I'm sure it comes in 6", although that's not enough pan
to cook a mosquito):

<https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006CJ4V2G>

You get what you pay for.

Cindy Hamilton

> On 3/19/2021 1:25 PM, Sheldon Martin wrote:

>> Thunderbird is much better.

Than what?

The "Black" G.I.'s usta drink T-Bird mixed with grape Kool-Aid (no
sugar)! It was terrible.

nb

On 23/03/2021 14:37, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 10:28:08 AM UTC-4, notbob wrote:

>> I bought a "Mainstays(WW house-brand)" 6" skillet (which usta be
>> non-stick, which it is no longer) to replace my "ceramic" skillets.
>> I'm taking it back (egg stuck)!
>
> WTF? We've got nonstick pans that are _years_ old and eggs don't stick
> to them. I assume WW is WallyWorld, aka WalMart ?
>
I have a couple of old, well-seasoned, cast iron pans which I only use
for eggs and crepes. Stuff slides right out of them.
Oh, and I sometimes use them for cornbread, too.

On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 10:50:58 AM UTC-4, S Viemeister wrote:
> On 23/03/2021 14:37, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 10:28:08 AM UTC-4, notbob wrote:
>
> >> I bought a "Mainstays(WW house-brand)" 6" skillet (which usta be
> >> non-stick, which it is no longer) to replace my "ceramic" skillets.
> >> I'm taking it back (egg stuck)!
> >
> > WTF? We've got nonstick pans that are _years_ old and eggs don't stick
> > to them. I assume WW is WallyWorld, aka WalMart ?
> >
> I have a couple of old, well-seasoned, cast iron pans which I only use
> for eggs and crepes. Stuff slides right out of them.
> Oh, and I sometimes use them for cornbread, too.

If it can't go in the dishwasher, I don't want to own it.

Except sharp knives.

Cindy Hamilton

On 23/03/2021 15:01, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 10:50:58 AM UTC-4, S Viemeister wrote:
>> On 23/03/2021 14:37, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 10:28:08 AM UTC-4, notbob wrote:
>>>> I bought a "Mainstays(WW house-brand)" 6" skillet (which usta be
>>>> non-stick, which it is no longer) to replace my "ceramic" skillets.
>>>> I'm taking it back (egg stuck)!
>>> WTF? We've got nonstick pans that are _years_ old and eggs don't stick
>>> to them. I assume WW is WallyWorld, aka WalMart ?
>> I have a couple of old, well-seasoned, cast iron pans which I only use
>> for eggs and crepes. Stuff slides right out of them.
>> Oh, and I sometimes use them for cornbread, too.
>
> If it can't go in the dishwasher, I don't want to own it.
>
> Except sharp knives.
>
My cast iron just gets wiped out. Pretty much everything else goes in
the dishwasher.

On 3/23/2021 10:28 AM, notbob wrote:
> On 2021-03-18, Michael > wrote:
>
>> I don't trust Teflon or non-stick.
>
> You can't even trust them, anymore.
>
> I bought a "Mainstays(WW house-brand)" 6" skillet (which usta be
> non-stick, which it is no longer) to replace my "ceramic" skillets.
> I'm taking it back (egg stuck)!
>
> nb

I haven't been to Walmart since pre-pandemic. I don't intend to go back.

On 3/23/2021 10:50 AM, S Viemeister wrote:
> On 23/03/2021 14:37, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 10:28:08 AM UTC-4, notbob wrote:
>
>>> I bought a "Mainstays(WW house-brand)" 6" skillet (which usta be
>>> non-stick, which it is no longer) to replace my "ceramic" skillets.
>>> I'm taking it back (egg stuck)!
>>
>> WTF? We've got nonstick pans that are _years_ old and eggs don't stick
>> to them. I assume WW is WallyWorld, aka WalMart ?
>>
> I have a couple of old, well-seasoned, cast iron pans which I only use
> for eggs and crepes. Stuff slides right out of them.
> Oh, and I sometimes use them for cornbread, too.

That's the way to do it! Cast iron.

On 3/23/2021 11:01 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 10:50:58 AM UTC-4, S Viemeister wrote:
>> On 23/03/2021 14:37, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 10:28:08 AM UTC-4, notbob wrote:
>>
>>>> I bought a "Mainstays(WW house-brand)" 6" skillet (which usta be
>>>> non-stick, which it is no longer) to replace my "ceramic" skillets.
>>>> I'm taking it back (egg stuck)!
>>>
>>> WTF? We've got nonstick pans that are _years_ old and eggs don't stick
>>> to them. I assume WW is WallyWorld, aka WalMart ?
>>>
>> I have a couple of old, well-seasoned, cast iron pans which I only use
>> for eggs and crepes. Stuff slides right out of them.
>> Oh, and I sometimes use them for cornbread, too.
>
> If it can't go in the dishwasher, I don't want to own it.
>
> Except sharp knives.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

Dish washer? Shucks... that's what they call me around here. Do ya
have two hands, soap, and a rag? Hopefully a sink too - and you're set.

On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 3:08:57 PM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote:
> On 3/23/2021 11:01 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 10:50:58 AM UTC-4, S Viemeister wrote:
> >> On 23/03/2021 14:37, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 10:28:08 AM UTC-4, notbob wrote:
> >>
> >>>> I bought a "Mainstays(WW house-brand)" 6" skillet (which usta be
> >>>> non-stick, which it is no longer) to replace my "ceramic" skillets.
> >>>> I'm taking it back (egg stuck)!
> >>>
> >>> WTF? We've got nonstick pans that are _years_ old and eggs don't stick
> >>> to them. I assume WW is WallyWorld, aka WalMart ?
> >>>
> >> I have a couple of old, well-seasoned, cast iron pans which I only use
> >> for eggs and crepes. Stuff slides right out of them.
> >> Oh, and I sometimes use them for cornbread, too.
> >
> > If it can't go in the dishwasher, I don't want to own it.
> >
> > Except sharp knives.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> Dish washer? Shucks... that's what they call me around here. Do ya
> have two hands, soap, and a rag? Hopefully a sink too - and you're set.

Why should I stand there with my hands in hot dishwater when I can stick
everything in the dishwasher, get it cleaner, and use less water, while
simultaneously doing something I actually enjoy?

Do you pound your laundry on a rock in the river to get it clean?

Cindy Hamilton

On 3/23/2021 3:13 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 3:08:57 PM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote:
>> On 3/23/2021 11:01 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 10:50:58 AM UTC-4, S Viemeister wrote:
>>>> On 23/03/2021 14:37, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 10:28:08 AM UTC-4, notbob wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> I bought a "Mainstays(WW house-brand)" 6" skillet (which usta be
>>>>>> non-stick, which it is no longer) to replace my "ceramic" skillets.
>>>>>> I'm taking it back (egg stuck)!
>>>>>
>>>>> WTF? We've got nonstick pans that are _years_ old and eggs don't stick
>>>>> to them. I assume WW is WallyWorld, aka WalMart ?
>>>>>
>>>> I have a couple of old, well-seasoned, cast iron pans which I only use
>>>> for eggs and crepes. Stuff slides right out of them.
>>>> Oh, and I sometimes use them for cornbread, too.
>>>
>>> If it can't go in the dishwasher, I don't want to own it.
>>>
>>> Except sharp knives.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>> Dish washer? Shucks... that's what they call me around here. Do ya
>> have two hands, soap, and a rag? Hopefully a sink too - and you're set.
>
> Why should I stand there with my hands in hot dishwater when I can stick
> everything in the dishwasher, get it cleaner, and use less water, while
> simultaneously doing something I actually enjoy?
>
> Do you pound your laundry on a rock in the river to get it clean?
>
> Cindy Hamilton
Less water, but lets look at the cost of electricity, as well as wasted
cabinet space. I doubt it saves water either.

Sometimes the newest method isn't the best method. No, I do not wash my
clothes in a river, but I've used an automatic washer and a wringer
washer, and the wringer wins hands-down if you want efficiency and clean
laundry.

On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 15:37:35 -0400, Michael Trew >
wrote:

>On 3/23/2021 3:13 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 3:08:57 PM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote:
>>> On 3/23/2021 11:01 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 10:50:58 AM UTC-4, S Viemeister wrote:
>>>>> On 23/03/2021 14:37, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 10:28:08 AM UTC-4, notbob wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I bought a "Mainstays(WW house-brand)" 6" skillet (which usta be
>>>>>>> non-stick, which it is no longer) to replace my "ceramic" skillets.
>>>>>>> I'm taking it back (egg stuck)!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> WTF? We've got nonstick pans that are _years_ old and eggs don't stick
>>>>>> to them. I assume WW is WallyWorld, aka WalMart ?
>>>>>>
>>>>> I have a couple of old, well-seasoned, cast iron pans which I only use
>>>>> for eggs and crepes. Stuff slides right out of them.
>>>>> Oh, and I sometimes use them for cornbread, too.
>>>>
>>>> If it can't go in the dishwasher, I don't want to own it.
>>>>
>>>> Except sharp knives.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>> Dish washer? Shucks... that's what they call me around here. Do ya
>>> have two hands, soap, and a rag? Hopefully a sink too - and you're set.
>>
>> Why should I stand there with my hands in hot dishwater when I can stick
>> everything in the dishwasher, get it cleaner, and use less water, while
>> simultaneously doing something I actually enjoy?
>>
>> Do you pound your laundry on a rock in the river to get it clean?
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>Less water, but lets look at the cost of electricity, as well as wasted
>cabinet space. I doubt it saves water either.
>
>Sometimes the newest method isn't the best method. No, I do not wash my
>clothes in a river, but I've used an automatic washer and a wringer
>washer, and the wringer wins hands-down if you want efficiency and clean
>laundry.

If I had to do our dishes by hand, I'd stop eating.

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On 3/23/2021 3:42 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 15:37:35 -0400, Michael >
> wrote:
>
>> On 3/23/2021 3:13 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 3:08:57 PM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote:
>>>> On 3/23/2021 11:01 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 10:50:58 AM UTC-4, S Viemeister wrote:
>>>>>> On 23/03/2021 14:37, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 10:28:08 AM UTC-4, notbob wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I bought a "Mainstays(WW house-brand)" 6" skillet (which usta be
>>>>>>>> non-stick, which it is no longer) to replace my "ceramic" skillets.
>>>>>>>> I'm taking it back (egg stuck)!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WTF? We've got nonstick pans that are _years_ old and eggs don't stick
>>>>>>> to them. I assume WW is WallyWorld, aka WalMart ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a couple of old, well-seasoned, cast iron pans which I only use
>>>>>> for eggs and crepes. Stuff slides right out of them.
>>>>>> Oh, and I sometimes use them for cornbread, too.
>>>>>
>>>>> If it can't go in the dishwasher, I don't want to own it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Except sharp knives.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>> Dish washer? Shucks... that's what they call me around here. Do ya
>>>> have two hands, soap, and a rag? Hopefully a sink too - and you're set.
>>>
>>> Why should I stand there with my hands in hot dishwater when I can stick
>>> everything in the dishwasher, get it cleaner, and use less water, while
>>> simultaneously doing something I actually enjoy?
>>>
>>> Do you pound your laundry on a rock in the river to get it clean?
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>> Less water, but lets look at the cost of electricity, as well as wasted
>> cabinet space. I doubt it saves water either.
>>
>> Sometimes the newest method isn't the best method. No, I do not wash my
>> clothes in a river, but I've used an automatic washer and a wringer
>> washer, and the wringer wins hands-down if you want efficiency and clean
>> laundry.
>
> If I had to do our dishes by hand, I'd stop eating.
>

Damn... that's some dedicated laziness. Perhaps that'll be the new diet.

Standing over hot dishwater feels amazing on cold winter mornings when
I'm freezing.

On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 15:48:27 -0400, Michael Trew >
wrote:

>On 3/23/2021 3:42 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 15:37:35 -0400, Michael >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Less water, but lets look at the cost of electricity, as well as wasted
>>> cabinet space. I doubt it saves water either.
>>>
>>> Sometimes the newest method isn't the best method. No, I do not wash my
>>> clothes in a river, but I've used an automatic washer and a wringer
>>> washer, and the wringer wins hands-down if you want efficiency and clean
>>> laundry.
>>
>> If I had to do our dishes by hand, I'd stop eating.
>>
>
>Damn... that's some dedicated laziness. Perhaps that'll be the new diet.
>
>Standing over hot dishwater feels amazing on cold winter mornings when
>I'm freezing.

You could always turn on the heater as you turn on the dishwasher.

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On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 3:48:30 PM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote:
> On 3/23/2021 3:42 PM, Bruce wrote:
> > On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 15:37:35 -0400, Michael >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 3/23/2021 3:13 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 3:08:57 PM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote:
> >>>> On 3/23/2021 11:01 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>>>> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 10:50:58 AM UTC-4, S Viemeister wrote:
> >>>>>> On 23/03/2021 14:37, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 10:28:08 AM UTC-4, notbob wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I bought a "Mainstays(WW house-brand)" 6" skillet (which usta be
> >>>>>>>> non-stick, which it is no longer) to replace my "ceramic" skillets.
> >>>>>>>> I'm taking it back (egg stuck)!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> WTF? We've got nonstick pans that are _years_ old and eggs don't stick
> >>>>>>> to them. I assume WW is WallyWorld, aka WalMart ?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> I have a couple of old, well-seasoned, cast iron pans which I only use
> >>>>>> for eggs and crepes. Stuff slides right out of them.
> >>>>>> Oh, and I sometimes use them for cornbread, too.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If it can't go in the dishwasher, I don't want to own it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Except sharp knives.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cindy Hamilton
> >>>> Dish washer? Shucks... that's what they call me around here. Do ya
> >>>> have two hands, soap, and a rag? Hopefully a sink too - and you're set.
> >>>
> >>> Why should I stand there with my hands in hot dishwater when I can stick
> >>> everything in the dishwasher, get it cleaner, and use less water, while
> >>> simultaneously doing something I actually enjoy?
> >>>
> >>> Do you pound your laundry on a rock in the river to get it clean?
> >>>
> >>> Cindy Hamilton
> >> Less water, but lets look at the cost of electricity, as well as wasted
> >> cabinet space. I doubt it saves water either.

Less _hot_ water. It costs to heat water for dishwashing.

You can doubt anything you like:

<https://www.energystar.gov/index.cfm?c=dishwash.pr_handwash_dishwash.>

My kitchen is pretty small, and the one cupboard that is lost to the dishwasher
is well worth it.

> >> Sometimes the newest method isn't the best method. No, I do not wash my
> >> clothes in a river, but I've used an automatic washer and a wringer
> >> washer, and the wringer wins hands-down if you want efficiency and clean
> >> laundry.
> >
> > If I had to do our dishes by hand, I'd stop eating.
> >
> Damn... that's some dedicated laziness. Perhaps that'll be the new diet.
>
> Standing over hot dishwater feels amazing on cold winter mornings when
> I'm freezing.

Our house is 71 F year-round. Perhaps you need to have your furnace serviced.

Cindy Hamilton

On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 15:37:35 -0400, Michael Trew >
wrote:

>On 3/23/2021 3:13 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 3:08:57 PM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote:
>>> On 3/23/2021 11:01 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 10:50:58 AM UTC-4, S Viemeister wrote:
>>>>> On 23/03/2021 14:37, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 10:28:08 AM UTC-4, notbob wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I bought a "Mainstays(WW house-brand)" 6" skillet (which usta be
>>>>>>> non-stick, which it is no longer) to replace my "ceramic" skillets.
>>>>>>> I'm taking it back (egg stuck)!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> WTF? We've got nonstick pans that are _years_ old and eggs don't stick
>>>>>> to them. I assume WW is WallyWorld, aka WalMart ?
>>>>>>
>>>>> I have a couple of old, well-seasoned, cast iron pans which I only use
>>>>> for eggs and crepes. Stuff slides right out of them.
>>>>> Oh, and I sometimes use them for cornbread, too.
>>>>
>>>> If it can't go in the dishwasher, I don't want to own it.
>>>>
>>>> Except sharp knives.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>> Dish washer? Shucks... that's what they call me around here. Do ya
>>> have two hands, soap, and a rag? Hopefully a sink too - and you're set.
>>
>> Why should I stand there with my hands in hot dishwater when I can stick
>> everything in the dishwasher, get it cleaner, and use less water, while
>> simultaneously doing something I actually enjoy?
>>
>> Do you pound your laundry on a rock in the river to get it clean?
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>Less water, but lets look at the cost of electricity, as well as wasted
>cabinet space. I doubt it saves water either.

Not hard to see the general consensus online.
>
>Sometimes the newest method isn't the best method.

Depends on what "best" means to you.

>?No, I do not wash my
>clothes in a river, but I've used an automatic washer and a wringer
>washer, and the wringer wins hands-down if you want efficiency and clean
>laundry.

There is nothing efficient to the human wringing the clothes. Take
time and some expending of physical effort, either of which I think
makes sense for laundry.

And if one is hanging the clothes outside and has the time,
inclination and weather for that, it might help and gosh, have fun,
but clothes put through a wringer have never come out as dry as the
spin cycles on my HE machine.

My "best" is very different from yours. I am not a carbon footprint
stomper by any means. I do a lot to control my energy and product
use, but some things just ain't worth it to me.

Hell, I don't even waste my time or hands kneading my bread dough.....

On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 15:06:49 -0400, Michael Trew >
wrote:

>On 3/23/2021 10:28 AM, notbob wrote:
>> On 2021-03-18, Michael > wrote:
>>
>>> I don't trust Teflon or non-stick.
>>
>> You can't even trust them, anymore.
>>
>> I bought a "Mainstays(WW house-brand)" 6" skillet (which usta be
>> non-stick, which it is no longer) to replace my "ceramic" skillets.
>> I'm taking it back (egg stuck)!
>>
>> nb
>
>I haven't been to Walmart since pre-pandemic. I don't intend to go back.

But you cant beat their prices.

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On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 16:01:37 -0400, Boron Elgar
> wrote:

>On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 15:37:35 -0400, Michael Trew >
>wrote:
>
>>On 3/23/2021 3:13 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 3:08:57 PM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote:
>>>> On 3/23/2021 11:01 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 10:50:58 AM UTC-4, S Viemeister wrote:
>>>>>> On 23/03/2021 14:37, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 10:28:08 AM UTC-4, notbob wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I bought a "Mainstays(WW house-brand)" 6" skillet (which usta be
>>>>>>>> non-stick, which it is no longer) to replace my "ceramic" skillets.
>>>>>>>> I'm taking it back (egg stuck)!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WTF? We've got nonstick pans that are _years_ old and eggs don't stick
>>>>>>> to them. I assume WW is WallyWorld, aka WalMart ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a couple of old, well-seasoned, cast iron pans which I only use
>>>>>> for eggs and crepes. Stuff slides right out of them.
>>>>>> Oh, and I sometimes use them for cornbread, too.
>>>>>
>>>>> If it can't go in the dishwasher, I don't want to own it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Except sharp knives.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>> Dish washer? Shucks... that's what they call me around here. Do ya
>>>> have two hands, soap, and a rag? Hopefully a sink too - and you're set.
>>>
>>> Why should I stand there with my hands in hot dishwater when I can stick
>>> everything in the dishwasher, get it cleaner, and use less water, while
>>> simultaneously doing something I actually enjoy?
>>>
>>> Do you pound your laundry on a rock in the river to get it clean?
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>Less water, but lets look at the cost of electricity, as well as wasted
>>cabinet space. I doubt it saves water either.
>
>Not hard to see the general consensus online.
>>
>>Sometimes the newest method isn't the best method.
>
>Depends on what "best" means to you.
>
>>?No, I do not wash my
>>clothes in a river, but I've used an automatic washer and a wringer
>>washer, and the wringer wins hands-down if you want efficiency and clean
>>laundry.
>
>There is nothing efficient to the human wringing the clothes. Take
>time and some expending of physical effort, either of which I think
>makes sense for laundry.
>
>And if one is hanging the clothes outside and has the time,
>inclination and weather for that, it might help and gosh, have fun,
>but clothes put through a wringer have never come out as dry as the
>spin cycles on my HE machine.
>
>My "best" is very different from yours. I am not a carbon footprint
>stomper by any means. I do a lot to control my energy and product
>use, but some things just ain't worth it to me.
>
>Hell, I don't even waste my time or hands kneading my bread dough.....

I don't care about wringing laundry of pummeling bread dough... any
stainless steel pan can be made non stick without adding any coating.
Hit it with rough emery cloth to create ridges that will hold enough
oil so that the food cooks at the apex of the ridges. A mirror smooth
ss pan is a stickeroo. Automobile cylinders use the same technology,
crosshatched grooves... all machinery lubrication relies on cross
hatched grooves.
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On 3/23/2021 3:37 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
> On 3/23/2021 3:13 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 3:08:57 PM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote:
>>> On 3/23/2021 11:01 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 10:50:58 AM UTC-4, S Viemeister wrote:
>>>>> On 23/03/2021 14:37, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 10:28:08 AM UTC-4, notbob wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I bought a "Mainstays(WW house-brand)" 6" skillet (which usta be
>>>>>>> non-stick, which it is no longer) to replace my "ceramic" skillets.
>>>>>>> I'm taking it back (egg stuck)!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> WTF? We've got nonstick pans that are _years_ old and eggs don't
>>>>>> stick
>>>>>> to them. I assume WW is WallyWorld, aka WalMart ?
>>>>>>
>>>>> I have a couple of old, well-seasoned, cast iron pans which I only use
>>>>> for eggs and crepes. Stuff slides right out of them.
>>>>> Oh, and I sometimes use them for cornbread, too.
>>>>
>>>> If it can't go in the dishwasher, I don't want to own it.
>>>>
>>>> Except sharp knives.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>> Dish washer? Shucks... that's what they call me around here. Do ya
>>> have two hands, soap, and a rag? Hopefully a sink too - and you're set.
>>
>> Why should I stand there with my hands in hot dishwater when I can stick
>> everything in the dishwasher, get it cleaner, and use less water, while
>> simultaneously doing something I actually enjoy?
>>
>> Do you pound your laundry on a rock in the river to get it clean?
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
> Less water, but lets look at the cost of electricity, as well as wasted
> cabinet space.Â* I doubt it saves water either.
>
> Sometimes the newest method isn't the best method.Â* No, I do not wash my
> clothes in a river, but I've used an automatic washer and a wringer
> washer, and the wringer wins hands-down if you want efficiency and clean
> laundry.

Well proven they use less water and little electricity. Not only that,
dishes are sanitized to 150 degrees so less colds in the house too.

Have enough cabinet space. More space would end up more crap I don't
need.

Is it better to use the dishwasher or hand wash?
When it comes to cleaning dishes, there's no contest: Hand washing uses
far more water, even if you're not filling up the dishwasher. ... In
other words, hand washing used 5 times as much water as an efficient
dishwasher, and 3.5 times more water as an average dishwasher.

What does sanitize on a dishwasher mean?
Dishwasher sanitize cycles use hotter water and longer wash times to
kill 99.999% of food soil bacteria. They're required by the National
Sanitation Foundation to heat water to a minimum of 150°F, although some
dishwashers may go above that.

Your family deserves clean dishes and it is good for the environment.

On 3/23/2021 3:50 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 15:48:27 -0400, Michael >
> wrote:
>
>> On 3/23/2021 3:42 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 15:37:35 -0400, Michael >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Less water, but lets look at the cost of electricity, as well as wasted
>>>> cabinet space. I doubt it saves water either.
>>>>
>>>> Sometimes the newest method isn't the best method. No, I do not wash my
>>>> clothes in a river, but I've used an automatic washer and a wringer
>>>> washer, and the wringer wins hands-down if you want efficiency and clean
>>>> laundry.
>>>
>>> If I had to do our dishes by hand, I'd stop eating.
>>>
>>
>> Damn... that's some dedicated laziness. Perhaps that'll be the new diet.
>>
>> Standing over hot dishwater feels amazing on cold winter mornings when
>> I'm freezing.
>
> You could always turn on the heater as you turn on the dishwasher.
>
That would require me to spend more money on top of more money

On 3/23/2021 4:00 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 3:48:30 PM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote:
>> On 3/23/2021 3:42 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 15:37:35 -0400, Michael >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3/23/2021 3:13 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 3:08:57 PM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/23/2021 11:01 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 10:50:58 AM UTC-4, S Viemeister wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 23/03/2021 14:37, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 10:28:08 AM UTC-4, notbob wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I bought a "Mainstays(WW house-brand)" 6" skillet (which usta be
>>>>>>>>>> non-stick, which it is no longer) to replace my "ceramic" skillets.
>>>>>>>>>> I'm taking it back (egg stuck)!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> WTF? We've got nonstick pans that are _years_ old and eggs don't stick
>>>>>>>>> to them. I assume WW is WallyWorld, aka WalMart ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have a couple of old, well-seasoned, cast iron pans which I only use
>>>>>>>> for eggs and crepes. Stuff slides right out of them.
>>>>>>>> Oh, and I sometimes use them for cornbread, too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If it can't go in the dishwasher, I don't want to own it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Except sharp knives.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>> Dish washer? Shucks... that's what they call me around here. Do ya
>>>>>> have two hands, soap, and a rag? Hopefully a sink too - and you're set.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why should I stand there with my hands in hot dishwater when I can stick
>>>>> everything in the dishwasher, get it cleaner, and use less water, while
>>>>> simultaneously doing something I actually enjoy?
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you pound your laundry on a rock in the river to get it clean?
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>> Less water, but lets look at the cost of electricity, as well as wasted
>>>> cabinet space. I doubt it saves water either.
>
> Less _hot_ water. It costs to heat water for dishwashing.
>
> You can doubt anything you like:
>
> <https://www.energystar.gov/index.cfm?c=dishwash.pr_handwash_dishwash.>
>
> My kitchen is pretty small, and the one cupboard that is lost to the dishwasher
> is well worth it.
>
>>>> Sometimes the newest method isn't the best method. No, I do not wash my
>>>> clothes in a river, but I've used an automatic washer and a wringer
>>>> washer, and the wringer wins hands-down if you want efficiency and clean
>>>> laundry.
>>>
>>> If I had to do our dishes by hand, I'd stop eating.
>>>
>> Damn... that's some dedicated laziness. Perhaps that'll be the new diet.
>>
>> Standing over hot dishwater feels amazing on cold winter mornings when
>> I'm freezing.
>
> Our house is 71 F year-round. Perhaps you need to have your furnace serviced.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

My boiler works fine, I don't turn it above 64 degrees to save on
heating costs. 71 would be wonderful, but this 120 year old house is
not only drafty, but costly to heat.

Per your link, the cost difference between hand washing and energy star
dish-washer is $431 over the expected 10 year life of the appliance.
Let's assume that you installed it yourself and didn't pay for
installation.

Good luck finding a decent energy-star dish-washer for less than $431;
assuming it's self installed. The last floor model that I priced was
$800, and you have to deal with the hassle of hooking it up to the sink
every time, not to mention the wasted floor space.

Also per your link, the majority of the cost saved over hand washing is
not energy (small cups) but the cost of water - big bowls. Water is a
flat rate here; 2,000 gallons is the minimum, and my personal usage
never goes over that. So basically, I'd save - at best - $100 over a
decade if I bought a dish washer for my household of one (and a half).

However, to each their own, if it makes you happy. Me, if I had one, it
would make a nice big built-in dish drying rack, and a place to store
extra glasses and plates, I suppose.

On 3/23/2021 4:01 PM, Boron Elgar wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 15:37:35 -0400, Michael >
> wrote:
>
>> On 3/23/2021 3:13 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 3:08:57 PM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote:
>>>> On 3/23/2021 11:01 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 10:50:58 AM UTC-4, S Viemeister wrote:
>>>>>> On 23/03/2021 14:37, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 10:28:08 AM UTC-4, notbob wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I bought a "Mainstays(WW house-brand)" 6" skillet (which usta be
>>>>>>>> non-stick, which it is no longer) to replace my "ceramic" skillets.
>>>>>>>> I'm taking it back (egg stuck)!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WTF? We've got nonstick pans that are _years_ old and eggs don't stick
>>>>>>> to them. I assume WW is WallyWorld, aka WalMart ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a couple of old, well-seasoned, cast iron pans which I only use
>>>>>> for eggs and crepes. Stuff slides right out of them.
>>>>>> Oh, and I sometimes use them for cornbread, too.
>>>>>
>>>>> If it can't go in the dishwasher, I don't want to own it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Except sharp knives.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>> Dish washer? Shucks... that's what they call me around here. Do ya
>>>> have two hands, soap, and a rag? Hopefully a sink too - and you're set.
>>>
>>> Why should I stand there with my hands in hot dishwater when I can stick
>>> everything in the dishwasher, get it cleaner, and use less water, while
>>> simultaneously doing something I actually enjoy?
>>>
>>> Do you pound your laundry on a rock in the river to get it clean?
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>> Less water, but lets look at the cost of electricity, as well as wasted
>> cabinet space. I doubt it saves water either.
>
> Not hard to see the general consensus online.
>>
>> Sometimes the newest method isn't the best method.
>
> Depends on what "best" means to you.
>
>> ?No, I do not wash my
>> clothes in a river, but I've used an automatic washer and a wringer
>> washer, and the wringer wins hands-down if you want efficiency and clean
>> laundry.
>
> There is nothing efficient to the human wringing the clothes. Take
> time and some expending of physical effort, either of which I think
> makes sense for laundry.
>
> And if one is hanging the clothes outside and has the time,
> inclination and weather for that, it might help and gosh, have fun,
> but clothes put through a wringer have never come out as dry as the
> spin cycles on my HE machine.
>
> My "best" is very different from yours. I am not a carbon footprint
> stomper by any means. I do a lot to control my energy and product
> use, but some things just ain't worth it to me.
>
> Hell, I don't even waste my time or hands kneading my bread dough.....
>
Fair point - everyone's "best" is different. For me, cheap cheap cheap.
I found a wringer machine to be efficient by way of saving water (3
wash loads through one tub of water/suds). Also it is nice having
control over the process, and clothes came out cleaner.

Agreed, that the wringer doesn't dry the clothes as well, but as you
stated, when hanging them out, the sun and wind are doing the work
rather than your automatic clothes dryer. It's all good exercise to me;
but keep in mind that I'm only 25 years old. I could understand that
not being desirable to someone who's 50+.

Bread is one of those things that you have to enjoy making. You'd be
hard pressed to get cheaper than the $1 king size bread loaf at the
store. Maybe it'd be a hair cheaper to make, depending on the size of
bulk you buy in, cost of yeast, cost of oven, etc.

On 3/23/2021 5:38 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 3/23/2021 3:37 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
>> On 3/23/2021 3:13 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 3:08:57 PM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote:
>>>> On 3/23/2021 11:01 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 10:50:58 AM UTC-4, S Viemeister wrote:
>>>>>> On 23/03/2021 14:37, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 10:28:08 AM UTC-4, notbob wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I bought a "Mainstays(WW house-brand)" 6" skillet (which usta be
>>>>>>>> non-stick, which it is no longer) to replace my "ceramic" skillets.
>>>>>>>> I'm taking it back (egg stuck)!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WTF? We've got nonstick pans that are _years_ old and eggs don't
>>>>>>> stick
>>>>>>> to them. I assume WW is WallyWorld, aka WalMart ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a couple of old, well-seasoned, cast iron pans which I only
>>>>>> use
>>>>>> for eggs and crepes. Stuff slides right out of them.
>>>>>> Oh, and I sometimes use them for cornbread, too.
>>>>>
>>>>> If it can't go in the dishwasher, I don't want to own it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Except sharp knives.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>> Dish washer? Shucks... that's what they call me around here. Do ya
>>>> have two hands, soap, and a rag? Hopefully a sink too - and you're set.
>>>
>>> Why should I stand there with my hands in hot dishwater when I can stick
>>> everything in the dishwasher, get it cleaner, and use less water, while
>>> simultaneously doing something I actually enjoy?
>>>
>>> Do you pound your laundry on a rock in the river to get it clean?
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>> Less water, but lets look at the cost of electricity, as well as
>> wasted cabinet space. I doubt it saves water either.
>>
>> Sometimes the newest method isn't the best method. No, I do not wash
>> my clothes in a river, but I've used an automatic washer and a wringer
>> washer, and the wringer wins hands-down if you want efficiency and
>> clean laundry.
>
> Well proven they use less water and little electricity. Not only that,
> dishes are sanitized to 150 degrees so less colds in the house too.
>
> Have enough cabinet space. More space would end up more crap I don't need.
>
> Is it better to use the dishwasher or hand wash?
> When it comes to cleaning dishes, there's no contest: Hand washing uses
> far more water, even if you're not filling up the dishwasher. ... In
> other words, hand washing used 5 times as much water as an efficient
> dishwasher, and 3.5 times more water as an average dishwasher.
>
> What does sanitize on a dishwasher mean?
> Dishwasher sanitize cycles use hotter water and longer wash times to
> kill 99.999% of food soil bacteria. They're required by the National
> Sanitation Foundation to heat water to a minimum of 150°F, although some
> dishwashers may go above that.
>
> Your family deserves clean dishes and it is good for the environment.

Your post sounds like a copy/paste from a website paid commission by a
dishwasher manufacturer. Bacteria doesn't live long off of a host. I'm
not going to consider sanitizing dishes unless I'm working in a
restaurant. A little bit of bacteria will build up your immune
system... it won't kill 'ya.

See my reply to Cindy above. Our water is the same cost - they bill us
a minimum of 2k gallons, and I never go over minimum. Saving some
energy; maybe -- but I'll NEVER save enough energy to even come close to
the cost of the dish washing machine over its effective life span.
There are a lot of scam industries out there that hope people don't
think about these things.

For instance; replacing a house of 100 year old windows instead of
painting and glazing them... studies prove that single glazed windows
account for about 10% of heat loss in a home. Even with the best
warranties and quality; replacement windows will NEVER save you money -
even though they are more "efficient". The pay-back period is way
longer than the life of the units. Same goes for dish washers. Unless
you live in So. Cal. or somewhere that water is expensive and scarce.

On 3/23/2021 4:30 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 15:06:49 -0400, Michael >
> wrote:
>
>> On 3/23/2021 10:28 AM, notbob wrote:
>>> On 2021-03-18, Michael > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't trust Teflon or non-stick.
>>>
>>> You can't even trust them, anymore.
>>>
>>> I bought a "Mainstays(WW house-brand)" 6" skillet (which usta be
>>> non-stick, which it is no longer) to replace my "ceramic" skillets.
>>> I'm taking it back (egg stuck)!
>>>
>>> nb
>>
>> I haven't been to Walmart since pre-pandemic. I don't intend to go back.
>
> But you cant beat their prices.
>

I'd rather pay a local business a bit more (and have it go back to the
local community) than to wander through a huge store for hours looking
for things. I can't stick to a list at WM, I always would spend more on
"this and that". I've been saving money shopping only at a local
grocer... lol

On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 23:00:29 -0400, Michael Trew >
wrote:

>Bread is one of those things that you have to enjoy making. You'd be
>hard pressed to get cheaper than the $1 king size bread loaf at the
>store. Maybe it'd be a hair cheaper to make, depending on the size of
>bulk you buy in, cost of yeast, cost of oven, etc.

If cents are more important than quality, everything's different.
Maybe you can find a place where they sell days old bread for even
less than $1? Or those big carrots that people buy for their horses?
They're cheap too.

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On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 14:34:50 +1100, Bruce >
wrote:

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10 EUR later.........now you have two paid accounts, lol

On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 18:46:15 +1100, Allan Rogers >
wrote:

>On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 14:34:50 +1100, Bruce >
>wrote:
>
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>
>10 EUR later.........now you have two paid accounts, lol

I already had the other one for binaries and I used to have this one
until a year ago or so, but had let it run out by mistake.

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Bruce wrote:

> I just watched a program about non stick pans.

It's just a laugh a minute at your house, ain't it?





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On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 01:25:27 -0700 (PDT), Jtem >
wrote:

>Bruce wrote:
>
>> I just watched a program about non stick pans.
>
>It's just a laugh a minute at your house, ain't it?

Bloody hilarious, mate!

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