On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 7:15:15 PM UTC-4, Boron Elgar wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 15:30:36 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> > wrote:
> >On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 11:28:22 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> >> On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 21:14:13 GMT, Pamela >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On 20:34 24 Mar 2021, Bruce said:
> >> >> On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 20:29:50 GMT, Pamela >
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>>On 03:34 24 Mar 2021, Bruce said:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> If cents are more important than quality, everything's
> >> >>>> different. Maybe you can find a place where they sell days old
> >> >>>> bread for even less than $1? Or those big carrots that people
> >> >>>> buy for their horses? They're cheap too.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> -- The real Bruce posts with uni-berlin.de - individual.net
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Good to see individual.net is still going strong.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Better if Agent lets the newserver use its own qualified domain
> >> >>>name -- because viewers here can filter for it.
> >> >>
> >> >> Agent doesn't allow you to filter on news server,
> >> >
> >> >however other newsreaders do, such as mine. Agent should be able not to
> >> >insert 4ax.com for the post's domain name.
> >> I don't know what that is. I don't see it. But I might switch to
> >> Xnews. I've used it before.
> >> --
> >> The real Bruce posts with uni-berlin.de - individual.net
> >
> >I'd use a gmail address as a user name/email and post on Google Groups. If someone tries to use your user name, report it as abuse to Google. Well, okay then.
> Google does not even pay attention to their own abuse of their own
> employees...
>
> RFC has a not atypical contingent of truly crazy posters, but those
> are not the problem. I don't mind the lunatic fringe or the whacko
> political agenda types, but some folks go to a LOT of trouble to drop
> all these extraneous bullshit "guess who I am imitating today?" posts.
> That is its own branch of WTF loon.
>
> I have never seen a group on any community platform/forum even going
> back to the early 80s, with as much nymshifting dreck as this one
> always has.

Ha! Alt.fan.rush-limbaugh and Alt.atheism make RFC look like a convent.

On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 16:04:50 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 12:52:37 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 15:30:36 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >I'd use a gmail address as a user name/email and post on Google Groups. If someone tries to use your user name, report it as abuse to Google. Well, okay then.
>> I think we view Google Groups differently.
>> --
>> The real Bruce posts with uni-berlin.de - individual.net
>
>We also have different views about computers and black/Asian folks too! Vast is the divide between us.

Computers, yes. Black/Asian folks is your personal hangup.

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On 2021-03-24 7:18 p.m., bruce bowser wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 7:15:15 PM UTC-4, Boron Elgar wrote:

>> I have never seen a group on any community platform/forum even going
>> back to the early 80s, with as much nymshifting dreck as this one
>> always has.
>
> Ha! Alt.fan.rush-limbaugh and Alt.atheism make RFC look like a convent.
>


A lot of the crap that gets cross posted to here and to another group I
read is cross posted to those two groups, along with a couple others on
the lunatic fringe.

On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 16:18:10 -0700 (PDT), bruce bowser
> wrote:

>> I have never seen a group on any community platform/forum even going
>> back to the early 80s, with as much nymshifting dreck as this one
>> always has.
>
>Ha! Alt.fan.rush-limbaugh and Alt.atheism make RFC look like a convent.

Those have been well known nuthouses for as long as I have known
Usenet. Ratio of garbage to normal commentary has always been way off.

RFC, on the other hand, while harboring some of the unmoderated
detritus of online postings, did not used to be filled with a
dedicated nymshifter who spends day after day after day with this
idiocy. Nymshifting with this intent and OCD level dedication on a
small group is rare.

On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 21:23:38 -0400, Boron Elgar
> wrote:

>On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 16:18:10 -0700 (PDT), bruce bowser
> wrote:
>
>>> I have never seen a group on any community platform/forum even going
>>> back to the early 80s, with as much nymshifting dreck as this one
>>> always has.
>>
>>Ha! Alt.fan.rush-limbaugh and Alt.atheism make RFC look like a convent.
>
>Those have been well known nuthouses for as long as I have known
>Usenet. Ratio of garbage to normal commentary has always been way off.
>
>RFC, on the other hand, while harboring some of the unmoderated
>detritus of online postings, did not used to be filled with a
>dedicated nymshifter who spends day after day after day with this
>idiocy. Nymshifting with this intent and OCD level dedication on a
>small group is rare.

That's true, but if you want to add something positive to this group,
you might want to do something about your childlike lack of self
control.

PS: The Boner Troll isn't exactly new.

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On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 12:35:55 +1100, Bruce >
wrote:

>That's true, but if you want to add something positive to this group,
>you might want to do something about your childlike lack of self
>control.

It is my childlike lack of self control that has brought me great
delight my whole life.. You should try it, sourpuss.

>PS: The Boner Troll isn't exactly new.

Say what, hon? Try another language. Maybe you will be more
comprehensible.

On 3/24/2021 8:37 AM, Gary wrote:
> Bruce wrote:
>>> Standing over hot dishwater feels amazing on cold winter mornings when
>>> I'm freezing.
>>
>> You could always turn on the heater as you turn on the dishwasher.
>
> My morning routine (winter)... get out of nice warm bed and put on
> sweatshirt, then turn on the heat for about 15 minutes. All is good.
>
>
>
I have a boiler; can't toy with the thermostat or it takes forever to
catch up and costs more money. I keep a sweatshirt on my couch that
used to be my grandfathers for when I'm not cooking or washing dishes.

On 3/24/2021 1:25 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 3/24/2021 8:39 AM, Gary wrote:
>> My favorite inside summer temp is about 78F with fan.
>
> Waaaay too hot!
>
> Jill

Disagreed; I love the heat - so as long as it isn't humid. I'm very
comfortable in the low 80's. Window A/C unit only comes on
intermittently when the temps are into the high 80's+, or when humidity
is miserable.

On 3/24/2021 8:37 AM, Gary wrote:
> On 3/23/2021 3:42 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 15:37:35 -0400, Michael Trew >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/23/2021 3:13 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 3:08:57 PM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote:
>>>>> On 3/23/2021 11:01 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 10:50:58 AM UTC-4, S Viemeister wrote:
>>>>>>> On 23/03/2021 14:37, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 10:28:08 AM UTC-4, notbob wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I bought a "Mainstays(WW house-brand)" 6" skillet (which usta be
>>>>>>>>> non-stick, which it is no longer) to replace my "ceramic"
>>>>>>>>> skillets.
>>>>>>>>> I'm taking it back (egg stuck)!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> WTF? We've got nonstick pans that are _years_ old and eggs don't
>>>>>>>> stick
>>>>>>>> to them. I assume WW is WallyWorld, aka WalMart ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have a couple of old, well-seasoned, cast iron pans which I
>>>>>>> only use
>>>>>>> for eggs and crepes. Stuff slides right out of them.
>>>>>>> Oh, and I sometimes use them for cornbread, too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If it can't go in the dishwasher, I don't want to own it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Except sharp knives.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>> Dish washer? Shucks... that's what they call me around here. Do ya
>>>>> have two hands, soap, and a rag? Hopefully a sink too - and you're
>>>>> set.
>>>>
>>>> Why should I stand there with my hands in hot dishwater when I can
>>>> stick
>>>> everything in the dishwasher, get it cleaner, and use less water, while
>>>> simultaneously doing something I actually enjoy?
>>>>
>>>> Do you pound your laundry on a rock in the river to get it clean?
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>> Less water, but lets look at the cost of electricity, as well as wasted
>>> cabinet space. I doubt it saves water either.
>>>
>>> Sometimes the newest method isn't the best method. No, I do not wash my
>>> clothes in a river, but I've used an automatic washer and a wringer
>>> washer, and the wringer wins hands-down if you want efficiency and clean
>>> laundry.
>>
>> If I had to do our dishes by hand, I'd stop eating.
>
> I can see using a dishwasher for many people but with just me here, I
> hand wash dishes twice a day. Takes about 5 minutes each time. Once
> rinsed, they go on a wooden dish rack to dry.
>
> Did the same all the years my daughter lived with me too.
>
>
>
>
>

Thank you; same way my parents and grandparents did. Fast and easy... a
small household running a dish washer daily is a true waste of water.

On 3/23/2021 11:34 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 23:00:29 -0400, Michael >
> wrote:
>
>> Bread is one of those things that you have to enjoy making. You'd be
>> hard pressed to get cheaper than the $1 king size bread loaf at the
>> store. Maybe it'd be a hair cheaper to make, depending on the size of
>> bulk you buy in, cost of yeast, cost of oven, etc.
>
> If cents are more important than quality, everything's different.
> Maybe you can find a place where they sell days old bread for even
> less than $1? Or those big carrots that people buy for their horses?
> They're cheap too.
>

I buy the uncut loaves of Italian bread baked fresh at the local
supermarket. They cost $1.70 and are smaller, but taste far better than
generic bread. However, when grilled into a sandwich or french toast,
unless you want something more sturdy, it really doesn't make a
difference. Also, of course, for breadcrumbs or dressing/stuffing.

On 3/24/2021 5:28 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 11:09:06 PM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote:
>
>> See my reply to Cindy above. Our water is the same cost - they bill us
>> a minimum of 2k gallons, and I never go over minimum.
>
> Where do you live that you don't pay for exactly the amount you use?
> I'm billed by volume for water and sewage treatment. The latter
> costs more than the former.
>
> And as for your $1 loaf of bread in your previous post: that's shitty
> bread. I'd rather pay $7 and get a good loaf of bread.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

I'd rather have the expensive bread too, but income is a factor in these
things as well.

I live in a community of about 10K people in eastern Ohio; local
municipal run water. If you go over the 2K gallons, they bill you by
the additional thousand gallons. As long as you aren't massively
wasteful, there really isn't much motivation to save water. Sewage is
billed based on water volume. Trash pick up is included. Rates are now
up to $62/mo for the minimum. It's another $11-14 or so if you go over
the 2k gal water limit.

On 3/24/2021 7:25 AM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> On 3/23/2021 8:10 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
>> On 3/23/2021 4:30 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 15:06:49 -0400, Michael >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3/23/2021 10:28 AM, notbob wrote:
>>>>> On 2021-03-18, Michael > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't trust Teflon or non-stick.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can't even trust them, anymore.
>>>>>
>>>>> I bought a "Mainstays(WW house-brand)" 6" skillet (which usta be
>>>>> non-stick, which it is no longer) to replace my "ceramic" skillets.
>>>>> I'm taking it back (egg stuck)!
>>>>>
>>>>> nb
>>>>
>>>> I haven't been to Walmart since pre-pandemic. I don't intend to go
>>>> back.
>>>
>>> But you cant beat their prices.
>>>
>>
>> I'd rather pay a local business a bit more (and have it go back to the
>> local community) than to wander through a huge store for hours looking
>> for things. I can't stick to a list at WM, I always would spend more on
>> "this and that". I've been saving money shopping only at a local
>> grocer... lol
>>
>
>
> Since many people in our community own shares in WM, either directly or
> through a mutual fund, insurance policies, etc., how is WM not also a
> "local business"?


When a Walmart goes up, the local mom and pop stores are put out.
Walmart is a corporation, and corporate strong arms suppliers to sell
cheaper versions of their goods since Walmart can mass-distribute those
goods across the country.

Let's say Mr. Smith makes paint brushes and sells them to stores.
Walmart strong-arms Mr. Smith into selling the brushes that he normally
charges $1 for into a bulk deal for $0.75/ea. Now Walmart sells them
for $1 ea (I'm sorry, $0.96 like most of their wonky prices).

The local hardware store that has been in business supporting local
community functions, softball teams, the local paper, etc buys these
brushes for $1 like most stores that aren't Walmart do. They sell them
for $1.25 to make a living. Now Joe Schmoe needs a paint brush.

Is he going to the 100+ year old family business for a $1.25 brush, or
is he going to go get a brush from Walmart for $0.96 while he does his
grocery shopping?

I think you see where I'm going. There are a lot of other issues with
Walmart killing good brand names by putting a squeeze on businesses;
either lose a huge deal to sell your stuff cheaply at Walmart -- or make
an inferior quality product to sell at Walmart. Look at the Snapper
brand lawn mowers. They used to be top notch... Walmart drug their name
through the mud -- junk quality now.

I might not be high-income, but I'll shop at my local grocer and
hardware store. Maybe I'll spend a bit more, but I'm getting local
quality service and not feeding into a corporate entity.

On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 1:15:15 PM UTC-10, Boron Elgar wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 15:30:36 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> > wrote:
> >On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 11:28:22 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> >> On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 21:14:13 GMT, Pamela >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On 20:34 24 Mar 2021, Bruce said:
> >> >> On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 20:29:50 GMT, Pamela >
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>>On 03:34 24 Mar 2021, Bruce said:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> If cents are more important than quality, everything's
> >> >>>> different. Maybe you can find a place where they sell days old
> >> >>>> bread for even less than $1? Or those big carrots that people
> >> >>>> buy for their horses? They're cheap too.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> -- The real Bruce posts with uni-berlin.de - individual.net
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Good to see individual.net is still going strong.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Better if Agent lets the newserver use its own qualified domain
> >> >>>name -- because viewers here can filter for it.
> >> >>
> >> >> Agent doesn't allow you to filter on news server,
> >> >
> >> >however other newsreaders do, such as mine. Agent should be able not to
> >> >insert 4ax.com for the post's domain name.
> >> I don't know what that is. I don't see it. But I might switch to
> >> Xnews. I've used it before.
> >> --
> >> The real Bruce posts with uni-berlin.de - individual.net
> >
> >I'd use a gmail address as a user name/email and post on Google Groups. If someone tries to use your user name, report it as abuse to Google. Well, okay then.
> Google does not even pay attention to their own abuse of their own
> employees...
>
> RFC has a not atypical contingent of truly crazy posters, but those
> are not the problem. I don't mind the lunatic fringe or the whacko
> political agenda types, but some folks go to a LOT of trouble to drop
> all these extraneous bullshit "guess who I am imitating today?" posts.
> That is its own branch of WTF loon.
>
> I have never seen a group on any community platform/forum even going
> back to the early 80s, with as much nymshifting dreck as this one
> always has. Facebook is a world unto itself, but I gave that up so
> long ago, I have no idea what's there these days.
>
> I keep imagining these schmucks as someone like Donald Trump in
> tightie whities, sitting in a rumpled bed with a cell phone and a Big
> Mac and/or maybe his dick in his hand...

Usenet just ain't usenet anymore. Back in the old days, the posters were mostly from military, educational, scientific, research, institutions. They used the facilities available through their institutions and therefor, were in fact, representing their organizations. My guess is that any bad behavior was easily squelched by being held responsible for your words. These days, all those right and proper people and replaced by the socially, morally, and mentally, inept. Back in the old days, bad behavior would be going off topic. That's the breaks.

https://groups.google.com/g/rec.food...m/XKTmFKanfKYJ

On 3/24/2021 11:34 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 1:15:15 PM UTC-10, Boron Elgar wrote:
>> On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 15:30:36 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
>> > wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 11:28:22 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 21:14:13 GMT, >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 20:34 24 Mar 2021, Bruce said:
>>>>>> On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 20:29:50 GMT, >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 03:34 24 Mar 2021, Bruce said:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If cents are more important than quality, everything's
>>>>>>>> different. Maybe you can find a place where they sell days old
>>>>>>>> bread for even less than $1? Or those big carrots that people
>>>>>>>> buy for their horses? They're cheap too.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -- The real Bruce posts with uni-berlin.de - individual.net
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good to see individual.net is still going strong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Better if Agent lets the newserver use its own qualified domain
>>>>>>> name -- because viewers here can filter for it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Agent doesn't allow you to filter on news server,
>>>>>
>>>>> however other newsreaders do, such as mine. Agent should be able not to
>>>>> insert 4ax.com for the post's domain name.
>>>> I don't know what that is. I don't see it. But I might switch to
>>>> Xnews. I've used it before.
>>>> --
>>>> The real Bruce posts with uni-berlin.de - individual.net
>>>
>>> I'd use a gmail address as a user name/email and post on Google Groups. If someone tries to use your user name, report it as abuse to Google. Well, okay then.
>> Google does not even pay attention to their own abuse of their own
>> employees...
>>
>> RFC has a not atypical contingent of truly crazy posters, but those
>> are not the problem. I don't mind the lunatic fringe or the whacko
>> political agenda types, but some folks go to a LOT of trouble to drop
>> all these extraneous bullshit "guess who I am imitating today?" posts.
>> That is its own branch of WTF loon.
>>
>> I have never seen a group on any community platform/forum even going
>> back to the early 80s, with as much nymshifting dreck as this one
>> always has. Facebook is a world unto itself, but I gave that up so
>> long ago, I have no idea what's there these days.
>>
>> I keep imagining these schmucks as someone like Donald Trump in
>> tightie whities, sitting in a rumpled bed with a cell phone and a Big
>> Mac and/or maybe his dick in his hand...
>
> Usenet just ain't usenet anymore. Back in the old days, the posters were mostly from military, educational, scientific, research, institutions. They used the facilities available through their institutions and therefor, were in fact, representing their organizations. My guess is that any bad behavior was easily squelched by being held responsible for your words. These days, all those right and proper people and replaced by the socially, morally, and mentally, inept. Back in the old days, bad behavior would be going off topic. That's the breaks.
>
> https://groups.google.com/g/rec.food...m/XKTmFKanfKYJ
I guess you can blame AOL for that.

On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 22:29:12 -0400, Boron Elgar
> wrote:

>On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 12:35:55 +1100, Bruce >
>wrote:
>
>>That's true, but if you want to add something positive to this group,
>>you might want to do something about your childlike lack of self
>>control.
>
>It is my childlike lack of self control that has brought me great
>delight my whole life.. You should try it, sourpuss.

Enjoy!

>>PS: The Boner Troll isn't exactly new.
>
>Say what, hon? Try another language. Maybe you will be more
>comprehensible.

I thought you were a regular here.

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On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 23:12:48 -0400, Michael Trew >
wrote:

>On 3/24/2021 8:37 AM, Gary wrote:
>> On 3/23/2021 3:42 PM, Bruce wrote:

>>> If I had to do our dishes by hand, I'd stop eating.
>>
>> I can see using a dishwasher for many people but with just me here, I
>> hand wash dishes twice a day. Takes about 5 minutes each time. Once
>> rinsed, they go on a wooden dish rack to dry.
>>
>> Did the same all the years my daughter lived with me too.
>
>Thank you; same way my parents and grandparents did. Fast and easy... a
>small household running a dish washer daily is a true waste of water.

Not if a dishwasher uses less water than doing dishes by hand. It's
also much faster. More time to do something more interesting.

But it's alll already been said.

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On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 21:14:13 GMT, Pamela >
wrote:

>On 20:34 24 Mar 2021, Bruce said:
>> On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 20:29:50 GMT, Pamela >
>> wrote:
>>>On 03:34 24 Mar 2021, Bruce said:
>>>>
>>>> If cents are more important than quality, everything's
>>>> different. Maybe you can find a place where they sell days old
>>>> bread for even less than $1? Or those big carrots that people
>>>> buy for their horses? They're cheap too.
>>>>
>>>> -- The real Bruce posts with uni-berlin.de - individual.net
>>>
>>>Good to see individual.net is still going strong.
>>>
>>>Better if Agent lets the newserver use its own qualified domain
>>>name -- because viewers here can filter for it.
>>
>> Agent doesn't allow you to filter on news server,
>
>however other newsreaders do, such as mine.

Do you filter on "aioe" or "neodome" in the message-ID? Are there no
news readers that can filter on the Path header?

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On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 5:45:40 PM UTC-10, Michael Trew wrote:
> On 3/24/2021 11:34 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 1:15:15 PM UTC-10, Boron Elgar wrote:
> >> On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 15:30:36 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> >> > wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 11:28:22 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> >>>> On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 21:14:13 GMT, >
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 20:34 24 Mar 2021, Bruce said:
> >>>>>> On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 20:29:50 GMT, >
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 03:34 24 Mar 2021, Bruce said:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> If cents are more important than quality, everything's
> >>>>>>>> different. Maybe you can find a place where they sell days old
> >>>>>>>> bread for even less than $1? Or those big carrots that people
> >>>>>>>> buy for their horses? They're cheap too.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -- The real Bruce posts with uni-berlin.de - individual.net
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Good to see individual.net is still going strong.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Better if Agent lets the newserver use its own qualified domain
> >>>>>>> name -- because viewers here can filter for it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Agent doesn't allow you to filter on news server,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> however other newsreaders do, such as mine. Agent should be able not to
> >>>>> insert 4ax.com for the post's domain name.
> >>>> I don't know what that is. I don't see it. But I might switch to
> >>>> Xnews. I've used it before.
> >>>> --
> >>>> The real Bruce posts with uni-berlin.de - individual.net
> >>>
> >>> I'd use a gmail address as a user name/email and post on Google Groups. If someone tries to use your user name, report it as abuse to Google. Well, okay then.
> >> Google does not even pay attention to their own abuse of their own
> >> employees...
> >>
> >> RFC has a not atypical contingent of truly crazy posters, but those
> >> are not the problem. I don't mind the lunatic fringe or the whacko
> >> political agenda types, but some folks go to a LOT of trouble to drop
> >> all these extraneous bullshit "guess who I am imitating today?" posts.
> >> That is its own branch of WTF loon.
> >>
> >> I have never seen a group on any community platform/forum even going
> >> back to the early 80s, with as much nymshifting dreck as this one
> >> always has. Facebook is a world unto itself, but I gave that up so
> >> long ago, I have no idea what's there these days.
> >>
> >> I keep imagining these schmucks as someone like Donald Trump in
> >> tightie whities, sitting in a rumpled bed with a cell phone and a Big
> >> Mac and/or maybe his dick in his hand...
> >
> > Usenet just ain't usenet anymore. Back in the old days, the posters were mostly from military, educational, scientific, research, institutions. They used the facilities available through their institutions and therefor, were in fact, representing their organizations. My guess is that any bad behavior was easily squelched by being held responsible for your words. These days, all those right and proper people and replaced by the socially, morally, and mentally, inept. Back in the old days, bad behavior would be going off topic. That's the breaks.
> >
> > https://groups.google.com/g/rec.food...m/XKTmFKanfKYJ
> I guess you can blame AOL for that.

Steve Case carved out his place in history by democratising/popularizing Usenet. That was probably not a good thing to do. That's like shooting a mocking bird. I don't think that's such a big deal since the Original Posters have moved on to their own outlets of professional interchange. These days, Usenet is just a reflection of our dysfunctional/disenfranchised/disgruntled society. That's the breaks.

On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 1:34:20 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 16:04:50 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> > wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 12:52:37 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> >> On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 15:30:36 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >I'd use a gmail address as a user name/email and post on Google Groups. If someone tries to use your user name, report it as abuse to Google. Well, okay then.
> >> I think we view Google Groups differently.
> >> --
> >> The real Bruce posts with uni-berlin.de - individual.net
> >
> >We also have different views about computers and black/Asian folks too! Vast is the divide between us.
> Computers, yes. Black/Asian folks is your personal hangup.
> --
> The real Bruce posts with uni-berlin.de - individual.net

If yoose believes that my views on black/Asian folks are similar to yours, you're delusional.

On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 23:15:44 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 1:34:20 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 16:04:50 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 12:52:37 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 15:30:36 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >I'd use a gmail address as a user name/email and post on Google Groups. If someone tries to use your user name, report it as abuse to Google. Well, okay then.
>> >> I think we view Google Groups differently.
>> >> --
>> >> The real Bruce posts with uni-berlin.de - individual.net
>> >
>> >We also have different views about computers and black/Asian folks too! Vast is the divide between us.
>> Computers, yes. Black/Asian folks is your personal hangup.
>> --
>> The real Bruce posts with uni-berlin.de - individual.net
>
>If yoose believes that my views on black/Asian folks are similar to yours, you're delusional.
>
I don't believe that. You revere Asians. I don't distinguish between
groups of people like that.

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On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 9:08:00 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 23:15:44 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> > wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 1:34:20 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> >> On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 16:04:50 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 12:52:37 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> >> >> On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 15:30:36 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I'd use a gmail address as a user name/email and post on Google Groups. If someone tries to use your user name, report it as abuse to Google. Well, okay then.
> >> >> I think we view Google Groups differently.
> >> >> --
> >> >> The real Bruce posts with uni-berlin.de - individual.net
> >> >
> >> >We also have different views about computers and black/Asian folks too! Vast is the divide between us.
> >> Computers, yes. Black/Asian folks is your personal hangup.
> >> --
> >> The real Bruce posts with uni-berlin.de - individual.net
> >
> >If yoose believes that my views on black/Asian folks are similar to yours, you're delusional.
> >
> I don't believe that. You revere Asians. I don't distinguish between
> groups of people like that.
> --
> The real Bruce posts with uni-berlin.de - individual.net

You ain't got no stinkin' idea what I revere. You ain't got no stinkin' idea what similar and different is either. Yoose must be confused.

On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 00:56:39 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 9:08:00 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 23:15:44 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >If yoose believes that my views on black/Asian folks are similar to yours, you're delusional.
>> >
>> I don't believe that. You revere Asians. I don't distinguish between
>> groups of people like that.
>> --
>> The real Bruce posts with uni-berlin.de - individual.net
>
>You ain't got no stinkin' idea what I revere. You ain't got no stinkin' idea what similar and different is either. Yoose must be confused.

Your posts prove day after day that you think Asians are superior to
white people. I don't think that way. I look at individual people. I
don't care what colour they are.

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In article >, says...
> I keep imagining these schmucks as someone like Donald Trump in
> tightie whities, sitting in a rumpled bed with a cell phone and a Big
> Mac and/or maybe his dick in his hand...
>
Please keep your demented fag fantasies to yourself.
--
Regards
David Crossley

On 3/24/2021 5:28 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 21:14:13 GMT, Pamela >
> wrote:
>
>> On 20:34 24 Mar 2021, Bruce said:
>>> On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 20:29:50 GMT, Pamela >
>>> wrote:
>>>> On 03:34 24 Mar 2021, Bruce said:
>>>>>
>>>>> If cents are more important than quality, everything's
>>>>> different. Maybe you can find a place where they sell days old
>>>>> bread for even less than $1? Or those big carrots that people
>>>>> buy for their horses? They're cheap too.
>>>>>
>>>>> -- The real Bruce posts with uni-berlin.de - individual.net
>>>>
>>>> Good to see individual.net is still going strong.
>>>>
>>>> Better if Agent lets the newserver use its own qualified domain
>>>> name -- because viewers here can filter for it.
>>>
>>> Agent doesn't allow you to filter on news server,
>>
>> however other newsreaders do, such as mine. Agent should be able not to
>> insert 4ax.com for the post's domain name.
>
> I don't know what that is. I don't see it. But I might switch to
> Xnews. I've used it before.
>
That's funny! The same guy that used to whine about being
plonked so much is now whining about not being able to plonk.

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On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 10:10:47 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 00:56:39 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> > wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 9:08:00 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> >> On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 23:15:44 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >If yoose believes that my views on black/Asian folks are similar to yours, you're delusional.
> >> >
> >> I don't believe that. You revere Asians. I don't distinguish between
> >> groups of people like that.
> >> --
> >> The real Bruce posts with uni-berlin.de - individual.net
> >
> >You ain't got no stinkin' idea what I revere. You ain't got no stinkin' idea what similar and different is either. Yoose must be confused.
> Your posts prove day after day that you think Asians are superior to
> white people. I don't think that way. I look at individual people. I
> don't care what colour they are.
> --
> The real Bruce posts with uni-berlin.de - individual.net

I'll call your bluff, yet again. Please show a post where I express such sentiments.

On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 01:25:08 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 10:10:47 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 00:56:39 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 9:08:00 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 23:15:44 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >If yoose believes that my views on black/Asian folks are similar to yours, you're delusional.
>> >> >
>> >> I don't believe that. You revere Asians. I don't distinguish between
>> >> groups of people like that.
>> >> --
>> >> The real Bruce posts with uni-berlin.de - individual.net
>> >
>> >You ain't got no stinkin' idea what I revere. You ain't got no stinkin' idea what similar and different is either. Yoose must be confused.
>> Your posts prove day after day that you think Asians are superior to
>> white people. I don't think that way. I look at individual people. I
>> don't care what colour they are.
>> --
>> The real Bruce posts with uni-berlin.de - individual.net
>
>I'll call your bluff, yet again. Please show a post where I express such sentiments.
>
That would be homework. I've always hated homework.
>

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On 25/03/2021 03:17, Michael Trew wrote:
> On 3/24/2021 5:28 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> And as for your $1 loaf of bread in your previous post:Â* that's shitty
>> bread.Â* I'd rather pay $7 and get a good loaf of bread.
>
> I'd rather have the expensive bread too, but income is a factor in these
> things as well.
>
Bake your own. Good bread at 'cheap bread' prices.

On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 10:29:16 PM UTC-4, Boron Elgar wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 12:35:55 +1100, Bruce >
> wrote:
> >That's true, but if you want to add something positive to this group,
> >you might want to do something about your childlike lack of self
> >control.
> It is my childlike lack of self control that has brought me great
> delight my whole life.. You should try it, sourpuss.
> >PS: The Boner Troll isn't exactly new.
> Say what, hon? Try another language. Maybe you will be more
> comprehensible.

There is a notorious Usenet troll who for quite a long time posted
as "Casa Boner".

Cindy Hamilton

On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 11:18:02 PM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote:
> On 3/24/2021 5:28 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 11:09:06 PM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote:
> >
> >> See my reply to Cindy above. Our water is the same cost - they bill us
> >> a minimum of 2k gallons, and I never go over minimum.
> >
> > Where do you live that you don't pay for exactly the amount you use?
> > I'm billed by volume for water and sewage treatment. The latter
> > costs more than the former.
> >
> > And as for your $1 loaf of bread in your previous post: that's shitty
> > bread. I'd rather pay $7 and get a good loaf of bread.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
>
> I'd rather have the expensive bread too, but income is a factor in these
> things as well.
>
> I live in a community of about 10K people in eastern Ohio; local
> municipal run water. If you go over the 2K gallons, they bill you by
> the additional thousand gallons. As long as you aren't massively
> wasteful, there really isn't much motivation to save water. Sewage is
> billed based on water volume. Trash pick up is included. Rates are now
> up to $62/mo for the minimum. It's another $11-14 or so if you go over
> the 2k gal water limit.

Wow. Communism in eastern Ohio. Who knew?

Cindy Hamilton

On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 02:30:04 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 11:18:02 PM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote:
>> On 3/24/2021 5:28 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >
>> > Where do you live that you don't pay for exactly the amount you use?
>> > I'm billed by volume for water and sewage treatment. The latter
>> > costs more than the former.
>> >
>> > And as for your $1 loaf of bread in your previous post: that's shitty
>> > bread. I'd rather pay $7 and get a good loaf of bread.
>> >
>> > Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> I'd rather have the expensive bread too, but income is a factor in these
>> things as well.
>>
>> I live in a community of about 10K people in eastern Ohio; local
>> municipal run water. If you go over the 2K gallons, they bill you by
>> the additional thousand gallons. As long as you aren't massively
>> wasteful, there really isn't much motivation to save water. Sewage is
>> billed based on water volume. Trash pick up is included. Rates are now
>> up to $62/mo for the minimum. It's another $11-14 or so if you go over
>> the 2k gal water limit.
>
>Wow. Communism in eastern Ohio. Who knew?

Don't tell Leo. He's prone to worrying about these things. Is it far
from eastern Ohio to Nevada?

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On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 02:28:08 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 10:29:16 PM UTC-4, Boron Elgar wrote:
>> On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 12:35:55 +1100, Bruce >
>> wrote:
>> >That's true, but if you want to add something positive to this group,
>> >you might want to do something about your childlike lack of self
>> >control.
>> It is my childlike lack of self control that has brought me great
>> delight my whole life.. You should try it, sourpuss.
>> >PS: The Boner Troll isn't exactly new.
>> Say what, hon? Try another language. Maybe you will be more
>> comprehensible.
>
>There is a notorious Usenet troll who for quite a long time posted
>as "Casa Boner".
>
Boron must know that. She's been here for 20 years and people even
know her in real life. And she's very proud of that so don't treat her
like a noob, please!
>

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On Thursday, March 25, 2021 at 4:47:24 AM UTC-4, S Viemeister wrote:
> On 25/03/2021 03:17, Michael Trew wrote:
> > On 3/24/2021 5:28 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> And as for your $1 loaf of bread in your previous post: that's shitty
> >> bread. I'd rather pay $7 and get a good loaf of bread.
> >
> > I'd rather have the expensive bread too, but income is a factor in these
> > things as well.
>
> Bake your own. Good bread at 'cheap bread' prices.

Including energy & labor costs of cleaning dishes.

On 25/03/2021 09:28, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 10:29:16 PM UTC-4, Boron Elgar wrote:
>> On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 12:35:55 +1100, Bruce >
>> wrote:
>>> That's true, but if you want to add something positive to this group,
>>> you might want to do something about your childlike lack of self
>>> control.
>> It is my childlike lack of self control that has brought me great
>> delight my whole life.. You should try it, sourpuss.
>>> PS: The Boner Troll isn't exactly new.
>> Say what, hon? Try another language. Maybe you will be more
>> comprehensible.
>
> There is a notorious Usenet troll who for quite a long time posted
> as "Casa Boner".
>
> Cindy Hamilton

===

Gosh, that is a long time ago!!!

On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 10:22:21 +0000, Ophelia >
wrote:

>On 25/03/2021 09:28, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 10:29:16 PM UTC-4, Boron Elgar wrote:
>>> On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 12:35:55 +1100, Bruce >
>>> wrote:
>>>> That's true, but if you want to add something positive to this group,
>>>> you might want to do something about your childlike lack of self
>>>> control.
>>> It is my childlike lack of self control that has brought me great
>>> delight my whole life.. You should try it, sourpuss.
>>>> PS: The Boner Troll isn't exactly new.
>>> Say what, hon? Try another language. Maybe you will be more
>>> comprehensible.
>>
>> There is a notorious Usenet troll who for quite a long time posted
>> as "Casa Boner".
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
>===
>
>Gosh, that is a long time ago!!!

But I think lots of the current trolls are the same one person.
Destructive, annoying, dishonest but intelligent.

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On 25/03/2021 10:25, Bruce wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 10:22:21 +0000, Ophelia >
> wrote:
>
>> On 25/03/2021 09:28, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 10:29:16 PM UTC-4, Boron Elgar wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 12:35:55 +1100, Bruce >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> That's true, but if you want to add something positive to this group,
>>>>> you might want to do something about your childlike lack of self
>>>>> control.
>>>> It is my childlike lack of self control that has brought me great
>>>> delight my whole life.. You should try it, sourpuss.
>>>>> PS: The Boner Troll isn't exactly new.
>>>> Say what, hon? Try another language. Maybe you will be more
>>>> comprehensible.
>>>
>>> There is a notorious Usenet troll who for quite a long time posted
>>> as "Casa Boner".
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> ===
>>
>> Gosh, that is a long time ago!!!
>
> But I think lots of the current trolls are the same one person.
> Destructive, annoying, dishonest but intelligent.

===

I agree and I am starting to recognise him/her)

On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 02:28:08 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 10:29:16 PM UTC-4, Boron Elgar wrote:
>> On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 12:35:55 +1100, Bruce >
>> wrote:
>> >That's true, but if you want to add something positive to this group,
>> >you might want to do something about your childlike lack of self
>> >control.
>> It is my childlike lack of self control that has brought me great
>> delight my whole life.. You should try it, sourpuss.
>> >PS: The Boner Troll isn't exactly new.
>> Say what, hon? Try another language. Maybe you will be more
>> comprehensible.
>
>There is a notorious Usenet troll who for quite a long time posted
>as "Casa Boner".

Yes, that was the full name of the gentleman.

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On 3/25/2021 4:23 AM, Bruce wrote:
> On 3/24/2021 5:28 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 21:14:13 GMT, Pamela >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 20:34Â* 24 Mar 2021, Bruce said:
>>>> On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 20:29:50 GMT, Pamela >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On 03:34Â* 24 Mar 2021, Bruce said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If cents are more important than quality, everything's
>>>>>> different. Maybe you can find a place where they sell days old
>>>>>> bread for even less than $1? Or those big carrots that people
>>>>>> buy for their horses? They're cheap too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- The real Bruce posts with uni-berlin.de - individual.net
>>>>>
>>>>> Good to see individual.net is still going strong.
>>>>>
>>>>> Better if Agent lets the newserver use its own qualified domain
>>>>> name -- because viewers here can filter for it.
>>>>
>>>> Agent doesn't allow you to filter on news server,
>>>
>>> however other newsreaders do, such as mine. Agent should be able not to
>>> insert 4ax.com for the post's domain name.
>>
>> I don't know what that is. I don't see it. But I might switch to
>> Xnews. I've used it before.
>>
> That's funny!Â* The same guy that used to whine about being
> plonked so much is now whining about not being able to plonk.
>
Yes, and the hypocrite used to morph nyms in order to
evade killfilters. He's really butthurt now.

On 3/25/2021 6:33 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> On 25/03/2021 10:25, Bruce wrote:
>> On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 10:22:21 +0000, Ophelia >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 25/03/2021 09:28, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 10:29:16 PM UTC-4, Boron Elgar wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 12:35:55 +1100, Bruce >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> That's true, but if you want to add something positive to this group,
>>>>>> you might want to do something about your childlike lack of self
>>>>>> control.
>>>>> It is my childlike lack of self control that has brought me great
>>>>> delight my whole life.. You should try it, sourpuss.
>>>>>> PS: The Boner Troll isn't exactly new.
>>>>> Say what, hon? Try another language. Maybe you will be more
>>>>> comprehensible.
>>>>
>>>> There is a notorious Usenet troll who for quite a long time posted
>>>> as "Casa Boner".
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>>> ===
>>>
>>> Gosh, that is a long time ago!!!
>>
>> But I think lots of the current trolls are the same one person.
>> Destructive, annoying, dishonest but intelligent.
>
> ===
>
> I agree and I am starting to recognise him/her)
>
Have you emailed them?
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On 3/24/2021 11:40 AM, Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 13:31:34 -0400, Sheldon Martin >
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 08:46:41 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>
>>> Michael Trew wrote:
>>>> Your post sounds like a copy/paste from a website paid commission by a
>>>> dishwasher manufacturer. Bacteria doesn't live long off of a host. I'm
>>>> not going to consider sanitizing dishes unless I'm working in a
>>>> restaurant. A little bit of bacteria will build up your immune
>>>> system... it won't kill 'ya.
>>>
>>> I agree completely with you. You're talking practical.
>>> No need to "sanitize" stupid dishes. Just wash and rinse and let dry. No
>>> worries.
>>>
>>> My hand washed dishes come out very clean and are put on a wooden rack
>>> to dry. No electricity used and my hand washing definitely uses less
>>> water than my dishwasher.
>>>
>>> I use my dishwasher now to store pots and lids.
>>
>> We primarily use paper plates, very plain white, no designs, no
>> coating.
>
> That's deeply retarded.
>


Yep. Stick a fork in Sheldon, he is done.

On Thursday, March 25, 2021 at 6:33:35 AM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:
> On 25/03/2021 10:25, Bruce wrote:
> > On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 10:22:21 +0000, Ophelia >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 25/03/2021 09:28, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 10:29:16 PM UTC-4, Boron Elgar wrote:
> >>>> On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 12:35:55 +1100, Bruce >
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> That's true, but if you want to add something positive to this group,
> >>>>> you might want to do something about your childlike lack of self
> >>>>> control.
> >>>> It is my childlike lack of self control that has brought me great
> >>>> delight my whole life.. You should try it, sourpuss.
> >>>>> PS: The Boner Troll isn't exactly new.
> >>>> Say what, hon? Try another language. Maybe you will be more
> >>>> comprehensible.
> >>>
> >>> There is a notorious Usenet troll who for quite a long time posted
> >>> as "Casa Boner".
> >>>
> >>> Cindy Hamilton
> >>
> >> ===
> >>
> >> Gosh, that is a long time ago!!!
> >
> > But I think lots of the current trolls are the same one person.
> > Destructive, annoying, dishonest but intelligent.
> ===
>
> I agree and I am starting to recognise him/her)

Don't listen to all that We bruce's are not destructive, annoying, dishonest or intelligent.