On Thursday, March 25, 2021 at 2:33:42 AM UTC-10, Boron Elgar wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 23:12:44 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> > wrote:
>
> >> > Usenet just ain't usenet anymore. Back in the old days, the posters were mostly from military, educational, scientific, research, institutions. They used the facilities available through their institutions and therefor, were in fact, representing their organizations. My guess is that any bad behavior was easily squelched by being held responsible for your words. These days, all those right and proper people and replaced by the socially, morally, and mentally, inept. Back in the old days, bad behavior would be going off topic. That's the breaks.
> >> >
> >> > https://groups.google.com/g/rec.food...m/XKTmFKanfKYJ
> >> I guess you can blame AOL for that.
>
> They came into it later
> >
> >Steve Case carved out his place in history by democratising/popularizing Usenet. That was probably not a good thing to do. That's like shooting a mocking bird. I don't think that's such a big deal since the Original Posters have moved on to their own outlets of professional interchange. These days, Usenet is just a reflection of our dysfunctional/disenfranchised/disgruntled society. That's the breaks.
>
> I used Compuserve in the late 80s - GEnie a bit earlier.

I used Prodigy, which seemed like the future because of it's graphical interface. In fact, it was the future. What a time that was - the world at your fingertips! It was sold by Sears.

On 3/26/2021 5:57 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 3/26/2021 5:37 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
>
>>
>> True, difficult to target; but a decently sized window unit makes for
>> far more comfortable living vs. no A/C. My house has a boiler, and no
>> affordable way to install central A/C. I have a very solidly built
>> 1960's 8K BTU Gibson A/C unit that covers 2 rooms in the first floor
>> of my home beautifully. Upstairs in summer evenings, I rely on cooler
>> evening temps with a fan in the window. Knob and Tube wiring makes
>> for no chance of me trying an A/C unit upstairs.
>
> When we were kids my parent put a window AC downstairs. In summer, we;d
> bring our blankets and pillows and sleep on the living room floor.
>
> When I got married in May we had no AC but by July, had one in the
> bedroom. It was hot where we lived in Philadelphia.
>
> In CT I relied on window AC for the same reason you do. Not easy to add
> in ducts and stuff.
>
> Now is the time to see if you can run one circuit to the bedroom to
> sleep well.

I've considered that. I've also considered adding a sub panel upstairs
to do away with the 120 year old ceramic K&T fed fuse box that covers
the first floor lighting, 2nd floor, and attic on 2 circuits with one
shared neutral. I really need to do something.

One year, I ran a heavy gauge orange extension cord upstairs from a
single circuit downstairs, but it was a huge hassle and tripping hazard.
Fortunately my old masonry house stays relatively cool compared to
some other dwellings; it's at least tolerable. Eastern Ohio climate.

On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 15:02:49 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> wrote:

>On Thursday, March 25, 2021 at 2:33:42 AM UTC-10, Boron Elgar wrote:
>> On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 23:12:44 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >> > Usenet just ain't usenet anymore. Back in the old days, the posters were mostly from military, educational, scientific, research, institutions. They used the facilities available through their institutions and therefor, were in fact, representing their organizations. My guess is that any bad behavior was easily squelched by being held responsible for your words. These days, all those right and proper people and replaced by the socially, morally, and mentally, inept. Back in the old days, bad behavior would be going off topic. That's the breaks.
>> >> >
>> >> > https://groups.google.com/g/rec.food...m/XKTmFKanfKYJ
>> >> I guess you can blame AOL for that.
>>
>> They came into it later
>> >
>> >Steve Case carved out his place in history by democratising/popularizing Usenet. That was probably not a good thing to do. That's like shooting a mocking bird. I don't think that's such a big deal since the Original Posters have moved on to their own outlets of professional interchange. These days, Usenet is just a reflection of our dysfunctional/disenfranchised/disgruntled society. That's the breaks.
>>
>> I used Compuserve in the late 80s - GEnie a bit earlier.
>
>I used Prodigy, which seemed like the future because of it's graphical interface. In fact, it was the future. What a time that was - the world at your fingertips! It was sold by Sears.

Ha,,,almost forgot about Prodigy.

Across those email functions of those several platforms I came close
to having text messaging before it existed. It was a bit complicated,
always a minute or so out of sync, but I'd have two or three
conversations running at once.

I like to think I was one of those who made CompuServe top off the
numbers of email sent. One month I had over 3K emails to a friend. We
just chatted back and forth by email like crazy so it was almost real
time...not quite, but as close as one could get in a non-public forum.

On 3/26/2021 6:11 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
> On 3/26/2021 5:57 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

>> Now is the time to see if you can run one circuit to the bedroom to
>> sleep well.
>
> I've considered that.Â* I've also considered adding a sub panel upstairs
> to do away with the 120 year old ceramic K&T fed fuse box that covers
> the first floor lighting, 2nd floor, and attic on 2 circuits with one
> shared neutral.Â* I really need to do something.
>
> One year, I ran a heavy gauge orange extension cord upstairs from a
> single circuit downstairs, but it was a huge hassle and tripping hazard.
> Fortunately my old masonry house stays relatively cool compared to some
> other dwellings; it's at least tolerable.Â* Eastern Ohio climate.

The sub panel may be a good solution. Insurance companies get a little
finicky about K&T too. Used properly it is not unsafe but over the
years sometimes it get hacked up.

On Friday, March 26, 2021 at 1:05:39 PM UTC-10, Boron Elgar wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 15:02:49 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> > wrote:
>
> >On Thursday, March 25, 2021 at 2:33:42 AM UTC-10, Boron Elgar wrote:
> >> On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 23:12:44 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> >> > Usenet just ain't usenet anymore. Back in the old days, the posters were mostly from military, educational, scientific, research, institutions. They used the facilities available through their institutions and therefor, were in fact, representing their organizations. My guess is that any bad behavior was easily squelched by being held responsible for your words. These days, all those right and proper people and replaced by the socially, morally, and mentally, inept. Back in the old days, bad behavior would be going off topic. That's the breaks.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > https://groups.google.com/g/rec.food...m/XKTmFKanfKYJ
> >> >> I guess you can blame AOL for that.
> >>
> >> They came into it later
> >> >
> >> >Steve Case carved out his place in history by democratising/popularizing Usenet. That was probably not a good thing to do. That's like shooting a mocking bird. I don't think that's such a big deal since the Original Posters have moved on to their own outlets of professional interchange. These days, Usenet is just a reflection of our dysfunctional/disenfranchised/disgruntled society. That's the breaks.
> >>
> >> I used Compuserve in the late 80s - GEnie a bit earlier.
> >
> >I used Prodigy, which seemed like the future because of it's graphical interface. In fact, it was the future. What a time that was - the world at your fingertips! It was sold by Sears.
> Ha,,,almost forgot about Prodigy.
>
> Across those email functions of those several platforms I came close
> to having text messaging before it existed. It was a bit complicated,
> always a minute or so out of sync, but I'd have two or three
> conversations running at once.
>
> I like to think I was one of those who made CompuServe top off the
> numbers of email sent. One month I had over 3K emails to a friend. We
> just chatted back and forth by email like crazy so it was almost real
> time...not quite, but as close as one could get in a non-public forum.

My father-in-law used CompuServe. Those were some pretty innocent days!

On Friday, March 26, 2021 at 5:34:04 PM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote:
> On 3/26/2021 2:13 AM, Leo wrote:
> > On 2021 Mar 24, , Ed Pawlowski wrote
> > (in >):
> >
> >> Most people are comfortable in the 70(21C) degree range. It get hot
> >> here in summer and I'm comfortable at 77 during the day, 73 when I go to
> >> bed.
> >
> > As illogical as it sounds, there is a cool 70 when temperatures are cold and
> > a warm 70 when temperatures are hot. Well...at least for me in the house.
> > Outside, 70 seems as it ought to be.
> >
> >
> I agree, 70 feels very different to me in summer vs winter. I blame
> part of that on poor insulation and drafts in my home during the winter,
> but also consider near freezing cold tap water in the winter, unheated
> cellars or crawl spaces, attics, etc.

I'll admit the colder tap water would be more useful in the summer.

Do you spend much time in cellars, crawl spaces, or attics?

Cindy Hamilton

On 3/27/2021 4:27 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Friday, March 26, 2021 at 5:34:04 PM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote:
>> On 3/26/2021 2:13 AM, Leo wrote:
>>> On 2021 Mar 24, , Ed Pawlowski wrote
>>> (in >):
>>>
>>>> Most people are comfortable in the 70(21C) degree range. It get hot
>>>> here in summer and I'm comfortable at 77 during the day, 73 when I go to
>>>> bed.
>>>
>>> As illogical as it sounds, there is a cool 70 when temperatures are cold and
>>> a warm 70 when temperatures are hot. Well...at least for me in the house.
>>> Outside, 70 seems as it ought to be.
>>>
>>>
>> I agree, 70 feels very different to me in summer vs winter. I blame
>> part of that on poor insulation and drafts in my home during the winter,
>> but also consider near freezing cold tap water in the winter, unheated
>> cellars or crawl spaces, attics, etc.
>
> I'll admit the colder tap water would be more useful in the summer.
>
> Do you spend much time in cellars, crawl spaces, or attics?
>
> Cindy Hamilton

More than I would like to do laundry in the winter. My point was, that
these chilled spaces affect the living areas above to feel draftier in
the winter. I've been considering insulating my basement ceiling to
make the first level rooms less drafty.

Michael Trew wrote:
> but also consider near freezing cold tap water in the winter, unheated
> cellars or crawl spaces, attics, etc.

Using a 28oz water glass (plastic), the winter tap water is nice and
cold and perfect temp for me. In the summer, it's a bit too warm so I
add one (or maybe 2) ice cubes to cool it down a bit.

I don't like ice water, a glass with many ice cubes.

On Sat, 27 Mar 2021 10:40:10 -0400, Michael Trew >
wrote:

>On 3/27/2021 4:27 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Friday, March 26, 2021 at 5:34:04 PM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote:
>>> On 3/26/2021 2:13 AM, Leo wrote:
>>>> On 2021 Mar 24, , Ed Pawlowski wrote
>>>> (in >):
>>>>
>>>>> Most people are comfortable in the 70(21C) degree range. It get hot
>>>>> here in summer and I'm comfortable at 77 during the day, 73 when I go to
>>>>> bed.
>>>>
>>>> As illogical as it sounds, there is a cool 70 when temperatures are cold and
>>>> a warm 70 when temperatures are hot. Well...at least for me in the house.
>>>> Outside, 70 seems as it ought to be.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I agree, 70 feels very different to me in summer vs winter. I blame
>>> part of that on poor insulation and drafts in my home during the winter,
>>> but also consider near freezing cold tap water in the winter, unheated
>>> cellars or crawl spaces, attics, etc.
>>
>> I'll admit the colder tap water would be more useful in the summer.
>>
>> Do you spend much time in cellars, crawl spaces, or attics?
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
>More than I would like to do laundry in the winter. My point was, that
>these chilled spaces affect the living areas above to feel draftier in
>the winter. I've been considering insulating my basement ceiling to
>make the first level rooms less drafty.

It helps to adjust the humidity. I don't recommend insulating your
basement ceiling. You may consider a ventless gas heater in your
basement and a couple of vents in the floor, that will equalize
temperature and humidity. Also saves heating fuel. Ventless gas
heaters operate at 99% efficiency (no chimney). A small fan helps
balance temperature and humidity.

On 21:46 26 Mar 2021, dsi1 said:

> On Friday, March 26, 2021 at 9:48:21 AM UTC-10, Pamela wrote:
>> On 18:33 26 Mar 2021, Bruce said:
>>
>> > On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 06:49:14 -0700, Taxed and Spent
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >>On 3/26/2021 6:35 AM, Pamela wrote:
>> >>> On 08:22 26 Mar 2021, Sqwertz said:
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 19:15:08 -0400, Boron Elgar wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> RFC has a not atypical contingent of truly crazy posters,
>> >>>>> but those are not the problem. I don't mind the lunatic
>> >>>>> fringe or the whacko political agenda types, but some folks
>> >>>>> go to a LOT of trouble to drop all these extraneous
>> >>>>> bullshit "guess who I am imitating today?" posts. That is
>> >>>>> its own branch of WTF loon.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Reddit. The most trafficked forums on the Internet these
>> >>>> days.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I manage a reddit (group/forum) of 60,000+ carnivorous
>> >>>> members and we often get "brigaded" by the omniscient vegans
>> >>>> and religious freaks. And while creating multiple accounts
>> >>>> and nyms is much harder than on Usenet, you still can't ban
>> >>>> those ****tards quick enough.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> While there's not many tools left on Usenet to identify bad
>> >>>> conduits, it's even more frustrating on reddit. There's are
>> >>>> plenty of admins aware of the problems, but they are enigmas
>> >>>> and don't use their tools properly.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> So I've devised a way to ban anybody in our reddit (group)
>> >>>> who's ever posted to a vegan/vegetarian/vegan-religious
>> >>>> reddit (there's 24 forums you can post to that will ban you
>> >>>> from our reddit). It's merciless, uncaring, and unforgiving.
>> >>>> You can appeal your ban, but they go into /dev/null and
>> >>>> nobody sees uour outcry. And if you create a (few) separate
>> >>>> account(s) just to post your vegan agenda to this reddit, it
>> >>>> will quickly be banned.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> It's not perfect and there always be new people trying to be
>> >>>> that snarky gopher in the whack-a-mole game, but most
>> >>>> seasoned redxditors know better.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> It would be trivial for RFC on Usenet to transform to that
>> >>>> platform. Our trolls and nymshifters would disappear. And we
>> >>>> could ban John every weekday between 6:AM and 4:PM while
>> >>>> he's working and collecting paychecks (heh!)
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -sw
>> >>>
>> >>> "It's merciless, uncaring, and unforgiving. You can appeal
>> >>> your ban, but they go into /dev/null and nobody sees your
>> >>> outcry".
>> >>>
>> >>> You're not much of a salesman for a new group, are you?
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>sounds like a great sales pitch directed at those who want a
>> >>useful, on topic group.
>> >
>> > Moderated by Sqwertz.
>> Is Sqwertz's group one of these?
>>
>> https://www.reddit.com/search?q=COOKING&type=sr%2Cuser
>
> My guess is that it's a group with 60,000 members and has the word
> "meat" in it.

What nym does Sqwertz use? The mods are listed as KBPrinceO,
Forensicunit, reece1, Truenoiz and SpicyBeefChowFun.

https://www.reddit.com/r/meat/

On Saturday, March 27, 2021 at 10:40:08 AM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote:
> On 3/27/2021 4:27 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Friday, March 26, 2021 at 5:34:04 PM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote:
> >> On 3/26/2021 2:13 AM, Leo wrote:
> >>> On 2021 Mar 24, , Ed Pawlowski wrote
> >>> (in >):
> >>>
> >>>> Most people are comfortable in the 70(21C) degree range. It get hot
> >>>> here in summer and I'm comfortable at 77 during the day, 73 when I go to
> >>>> bed.
> >>>
> >>> As illogical as it sounds, there is a cool 70 when temperatures are cold and
> >>> a warm 70 when temperatures are hot. Well...at least for me in the house.
> >>> Outside, 70 seems as it ought to be.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> I agree, 70 feels very different to me in summer vs winter. I blame
> >> part of that on poor insulation and drafts in my home during the winter,
> >> but also consider near freezing cold tap water in the winter, unheated
> >> cellars or crawl spaces, attics, etc.
> >
> > I'll admit the colder tap water would be more useful in the summer.
> >
> > Do you spend much time in cellars, crawl spaces, or attics?
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> More than I would like to do laundry in the winter. My point was, that
> these chilled spaces affect the living areas above to feel draftier in
> the winter. I've been considering insulating my basement ceiling to
> make the first level rooms less drafty.

My laundry is on an enclosed porch that is 50 F in the winter.

I have forced-air heat. The air is always moving, and it doesn't bother me.

Cindy Hamilton

On 3/27/2021 10:40 AM, Michael Trew wrote:
> On 3/27/2021 4:27 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Friday, March 26, 2021 at 5:34:04 PM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote:
>>> On 3/26/2021 2:13 AM, Leo wrote:
>>>> On 2021 Mar 24, , Ed Pawlowski wrote
>>>> (in >):
>>>>
>>>>> Most people are comfortable in the 70(21C) degree range. It get hot
>>>>> here in summer and I'm comfortable at 77 during the day, 73 when I
>>>>> go to
>>>>> bed.
>>>>
>>>> As illogical as it sounds, there is a cool 70 when temperatures are
>>>> cold and
>>>> a warm 70 when temperatures are hot. Well...at least for me in the
>>>> house.
>>>> Outside, 70 seems as it ought to be.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I agree, 70 feels very different to me in summer vs winter. I blame
>>> part of that on poor insulation and drafts in my home during the winter,
>>> but also consider near freezing cold tap water in the winter, unheated
>>> cellars or crawl spaces, attics, etc.
>>
>> I'll admit the colder tap water would be more useful in the summer.
>>
>> Do you spend much time in cellars, crawl spaces, or attics?
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
> More than I would like to do laundry in the winter.Â* My point was, that
> these chilled spaces affect the living areas above to feel draftier in
> the winter.Â* I've been considering insulating my basement ceiling to
> make the first level rooms less drafty.

Insulation is essential if you want to conserve on energy costs.

Jill

On 3/26/2021 2:13 AM, Leo wrote:
> On 2021 Mar 24, , Ed Pawlowski wrote
> (in article >):
>
>> Most people are comfortable in the 70(21C) degree range. It get hot
>> here in summer and I'm comfortable at 77 during the day, 73 when I go to
>> bed.
>
> As illogical as it sounds, there is a cool 70 when temperatures are cold and
> a warm 70 when temperatures are hot. Well...at least for me in the house.
> Outside, 70 seems as it ought to be.
>
>
Absolutely, Leo! 70 degrees in the Summer is downright cold around here
(SC) but 70 in the winter is warm and nice.

Today it's already near 85°F and the humidity is starting to kick in
now. Yesterday I had the windows open. Today it's going to be too hot
for me to be comfortable with just the fans. I sure can't sleep well
when the temps are over 70.

Jill

On 2021-03-27 11:20 a.m., jmcquown wrote:
> On 3/26/2021 2:13 AM, Leo wrote:
>> On 2021 Mar 24, , Ed Pawlowski wrote
>> (in article >):
>>
>>> Most people are comfortable in the 70(21C) degree range. It get hot
>>> here in summer and I'm comfortable at 77 during the day, 73 when I go to
>>> bed.
>>
>> As illogical as it sounds, there is a cool 70 when temperatures are
>> cold and
>> a warm 70 when temperatures are hot. Well...at least for me in the house.
>> Outside, 70 seems as it ought to be.
>>
>>
> Absolutely, Leo!Â* 70 degrees in the Summer is downright cold around here
> (SC) but 70 in the winter is warm and nice.
>
> Today it's already near 85°F and the humidity is starting to kick in
> now.Â* Yesterday I had the windows open.Â* Today it's going to be too hot
> for me to be comfortable with just the fans.Â* I sure can't sleep well
> when the temps are over 70.
>
> Jill
When I lived in Australia, if the Summer temperature dropped below about
26C/80F in the evening, I'd put on a sweater! That's almost a heatwave
where i live now:-)

Graham wrote:
> On 2021-03-27 11:20 a.m., jmcquown wrote:
>> On 3/26/2021 2:13 AM, Leo wrote:
>>> On 2021 Mar 24, , Ed Pawlowski wrote
>>> (in article >):
>>>
>>>> Most people are comfortable in the 70(21C) degree range. It get
>>>> hot
>>>> here in summer and I'm comfortable at 77 during the day, 73
>>>> when I go to
>>>> bed.
>>>
>>> As illogical as it sounds, there is a cool 70 when temperatures
>>> are cold and
>>> a warm 70 when temperatures are hot. Well...at least for me in
>>> the house.
>>> Outside, 70 seems as it ought to be.
>>>
>>>
>> Absolutely, Leo!Â* 70 degrees in the Summer is downright cold
>> around here (SC) but 70 in the winter is warm and nice.
>>
>> Today it's already near 85°F and the humidity is starting to
>> kick in now.Â* Yesterday I had the windows open.Â* Today it's
>> going to be too hot for me to be comfortable with just the
>> fans.Â* I sure can't sleep well when the temps are over 70.
>>
>> Jill
> When I lived in Australia, if the Summer temperature dropped below
> about 26C/80F in the evening, I'd put on a sweater! That's almost a
> heatwave where i live now:-)

Wooohoo! You should ditch the damn sweater and move to the arctic.

On Sat, 27 Mar 2021 16:20:02 GMT, Pamela >
wrote:

>On 21:46 26 Mar 2021, dsi1 said:
>
>> On Friday, March 26, 2021 at 9:48:21 AM UTC-10, Pamela wrote:
>>> On 18:33 26 Mar 2021, Bruce said:
>>>
>>> > On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 06:49:14 -0700, Taxed and Spent
>>> > > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>On 3/26/2021 6:35 AM, Pamela wrote:
>>> >>> On 08:22 26 Mar 2021, Sqwertz said:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 19:15:08 -0400, Boron Elgar wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> RFC has a not atypical contingent of truly crazy posters,
>>> >>>>> but those are not the problem. I don't mind the lunatic
>>> >>>>> fringe or the whacko political agenda types, but some folks
>>> >>>>> go to a LOT of trouble to drop all these extraneous
>>> >>>>> bullshit "guess who I am imitating today?" posts. That is
>>> >>>>> its own branch of WTF loon.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Reddit. The most trafficked forums on the Internet these
>>> >>>> days.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I manage a reddit (group/forum) of 60,000+ carnivorous
>>> >>>> members and we often get "brigaded" by the omniscient vegans
>>> >>>> and religious freaks. And while creating multiple accounts
>>> >>>> and nyms is much harder than on Usenet, you still can't ban
>>> >>>> those ****tards quick enough.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> While there's not many tools left on Usenet to identify bad
>>> >>>> conduits, it's even more frustrating on reddit. There's are
>>> >>>> plenty of admins aware of the problems, but they are enigmas
>>> >>>> and don't use their tools properly.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> So I've devised a way to ban anybody in our reddit (group)
>>> >>>> who's ever posted to a vegan/vegetarian/vegan-religious
>>> >>>> reddit (there's 24 forums you can post to that will ban you
>>> >>>> from our reddit). It's merciless, uncaring, and unforgiving.
>>> >>>> You can appeal your ban, but they go into /dev/null and
>>> >>>> nobody sees uour outcry. And if you create a (few) separate
>>> >>>> account(s) just to post your vegan agenda to this reddit, it
>>> >>>> will quickly be banned.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> It's not perfect and there always be new people trying to be
>>> >>>> that snarky gopher in the whack-a-mole game, but most
>>> >>>> seasoned redxditors know better.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> It would be trivial for RFC on Usenet to transform to that
>>> >>>> platform. Our trolls and nymshifters would disappear. And we
>>> >>>> could ban John every weekday between 6:AM and 4:PM while
>>> >>>> he's working and collecting paychecks (heh!)
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> -sw
>>> >>>
>>> >>> "It's merciless, uncaring, and unforgiving. You can appeal
>>> >>> your ban, but they go into /dev/null and nobody sees your
>>> >>> outcry".
>>> >>>
>>> >>> You're not much of a salesman for a new group, are you?
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >>sounds like a great sales pitch directed at those who want a
>>> >>useful, on topic group.
>>> >
>>> > Moderated by Sqwertz.
>>> Is Sqwertz's group one of these?
>>>
>>> https://www.reddit.com/search?q=COOKING&type=sr%2Cuser
>>
>> My guess is that it's a group with 60,000 members and has the word
>> "meat" in it.
>
>What nym does Sqwertz use? The mods are listed as KBPrinceO,
>Forensicunit, reece1, Truenoiz and SpicyBeefChowFun.
>
>https://www.reddit.com/r/meat/

Why are you always so nosey and want to know other peoples business
all the time? "who is this?" ""where are they from?" Never directly
asking the person in question, too. You're weird.

On 3/27/2021 1:14 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 3/27/2021 10:40 AM, Michael Trew wrote:
>> On 3/27/2021 4:27 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Friday, March 26, 2021 at 5:34:04 PM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote:
>>>> On 3/26/2021 2:13 AM, Leo wrote:
>>>>> On 2021 Mar 24, , Ed Pawlowski wrote
>>>>> (in >):
>>>>>
>>>>>> Most people are comfortable in the 70(21C) degree range. It get hot
>>>>>> here in summer and I'm comfortable at 77 during the day, 73 when I
>>>>>> go to
>>>>>> bed.
>>>>>
>>>>> As illogical as it sounds, there is a cool 70 when temperatures are
>>>>> cold and
>>>>> a warm 70 when temperatures are hot. Well...at least for me in the
>>>>> house.
>>>>> Outside, 70 seems as it ought to be.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I agree, 70 feels very different to me in summer vs winter. I blame
>>>> part of that on poor insulation and drafts in my home during the
>>>> winter,
>>>> but also consider near freezing cold tap water in the winter, unheated
>>>> cellars or crawl spaces, attics, etc.
>>>
>>> I'll admit the colder tap water would be more useful in the summer.
>>>
>>> Do you spend much time in cellars, crawl spaces, or attics?
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> More than I would like to do laundry in the winter. My point was,
>> that these chilled spaces affect the living areas above to feel
>> draftier in the winter. I've been considering insulating my basement
>> ceiling to make the first level rooms less drafty.
>
> Insulation is essential if you want to conserve on energy costs.
>
> Jill

The unfortunate part is that my 120 year old house is built with real
masonry - outer layer of brick, and an inner layer of brick on which the
wall plaster is directly applied. I don't think any of my walls can be
insulated. The attic insulation needs beefed up for sure. There are
gaps and cracks that need filled in the foundation as well; I can feel
drafts heavily in the cellar in winter time.

On 3/27/2021 12:05 PM, Gary wrote:
> Michael Trew wrote:
>> but also consider near freezing cold tap water in the winter, unheated
>> cellars or crawl spaces, attics, etc.
>
> Using a 28oz water glass (plastic), the winter tap water is nice and
> cold and perfect temp for me. In the summer, it's a bit too warm so I
> add one (or maybe 2) ice cubes to cool it down a bit.
>
> I don't like ice water, a glass with many ice cubes.
>
>
>
That's the only benefit to the cold tap water. It is not fun when doing
laundry and having to add more hot water. I use the cold tap to wash my
hands in the summer, but in the winter, I have to run hot water because
it is just so bitter cold.

On 3/27/2021 4:14 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:
> Graham wrote:
>> On 2021-03-27 11:20 a.m., jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 3/26/2021 2:13 AM, Leo wrote:
>>>> On 2021 Mar 24, , Ed Pawlowski wrote
>>>> (in article >):
>>>>
>>>>> Most people are comfortable in the 70(21C) degree range. It get hot
>>>>> here in summer and I'm comfortable at 77 during the day, 73 when I
>>>>> go to
>>>>> bed.
>>>>
>>>> As illogical as it sounds, there is a cool 70 when temperatures are
>>>> cold and
>>>> a warm 70 when temperatures are hot. Well...at least for me in the
>>>> house.
>>>> Outside, 70 seems as it ought to be.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Absolutely, Leo!ÂÂ* 70 degrees in the Summer is downright cold around
>>> here (SC) but 70 in the winter is warm and nice.
>>>
>>> Today it's already near 85°F and the humidity is starting to kick in
>>> now.ÂÂ* Yesterday I had the windows open.ÂÂ* Today it's going to be too
>>> hot for me to be comfortable with just the fans.ÂÂ* I sure can't sleep
>>> well when the temps are over 70.
>>>
>>> Jill
>> When I lived in Australia, if the Summer temperature dropped below
>> about 26C/80F in the evening, I'd put on a sweater! That's almost a
>> heatwave where i live now:-)
>
> Wooohoo! You should ditch the damn sweater and move to the arctic.
>
>
He should move to France with his brethren sissies.
--
The real Bruce posts with Impunity, all others are fake.

On 3/27/2021 4:27 PM, Michael Trew wrote:

>>> More than I would like to do laundry in the winter.Â* My point was,
>>> that these chilled spaces affect the living areas above to feel
>>> draftier in the winter.Â* I've been considering insulating my basement
>>> ceiling to make the first level rooms less drafty.
>>
>> Insulation is essential if you want to conserve on energy costs.
>>
>> Jill
>
> The unfortunate part is that my 120 year old house is built with real
> masonry - outer layer of brick, and an inner layer of brick on which the
> wall plaster is directly applied.Â* I don't think any of my walls can be
> insulated.Â* The attic insulation needs beefed up for sure.Â* There are
> gaps and cracks that need filled in the foundation as well; I can feel
> drafts heavily in the cellar in winter time.

Probably not many options. You can always build an insulated wall on
the exterior walls. I've seen this used and it does a nice job for your
situation
https://www.insofast.com/

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 3/27/2021 4:27 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
>
>>>> More than I would like to do laundry in the winter.Â* My point
>>>> was,
>>>> that these chilled spaces affect the living areas above to feel
>>>> draftier in the winter.Â* I've been considering insulating my
>>>> basement
>>>> ceiling to make the first level rooms less drafty.
>>>
>>> Insulation is essential if you want to conserve on energy costs.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> The unfortunate part is that my 120 year old house is built with
>> real masonry - outer layer of brick, and an inner layer of brick
>> on which the wall plaster is directly applied.Â* I don't think
>> any of my walls can be insulated.Â* The attic insulation needs
>> beefed up for sure.Â* There are gaps and cracks that need filled
>> in the foundation as well; I can feel drafts heavily in the
>> cellar in winter time.
>
> Probably not many options.* You can always build an insulated wall
> on the exterior walls.* I've seen this used and it does a nice job
> for your situation
> https://www.insofast.com/

If your goat barn has a real basement with an RO water filter,
yoose don't need insulation.

On 20:21 27 Mar 2021, Ophelia said:

> On Sat, 27 Mar 2021 16:20:02 GMT, Pamela >
> wrote:
>
>>On 21:46 26 Mar 2021, dsi1 said:
>>
>>> On Friday, March 26, 2021 at 9:48:21 AM UTC-10, Pamela wrote:
>>>> On 18:33 26 Mar 2021, Bruce said:
>>>>
>>>> > On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 06:49:14 -0700, Taxed and Spent
>>>> > > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >>On 3/26/2021 6:35 AM, Pamela wrote:
>>>> >>> On 08:22 26 Mar 2021, Sqwertz said:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 19:15:08 -0400, Boron Elgar wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>> RFC has a not atypical contingent of truly crazy posters,
>>>> >>>>> but those are not the problem. I don't mind the lunatic
>>>> >>>>> fringe or the whacko political agenda types, but some
>>>> >>>>> folks go to a LOT of trouble to drop all these extraneous
>>>> >>>>> bullshit "guess who I am imitating today?" posts. That is
>>>> >>>>> its own branch of WTF loon.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Reddit. The most trafficked forums on the Internet these
>>>> >>>> days.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> I manage a reddit (group/forum) of 60,000+ carnivorous
>>>> >>>> members and we often get "brigaded" by the omniscient
>>>> >>>> vegans and religious freaks. And while creating multiple
>>>> >>>> accounts and nyms is much harder than on Usenet, you still
>>>> >>>> can't ban those ****tards quick enough.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> While there's not many tools left on Usenet to identify
>>>> >>>> bad conduits, it's even more frustrating on reddit.
>>>> >>>> There's are plenty of admins aware of the problems, but
>>>> >>>> they are enigmas and don't use their tools properly.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> So I've devised a way to ban anybody in our reddit (group)
>>>> >>>> who's ever posted to a vegan/vegetarian/vegan-religious
>>>> >>>> reddit (there's 24 forums you can post to that will ban
>>>> >>>> you from our reddit). It's merciless, uncaring, and
>>>> >>>> unforgiving. You can appeal your ban, but they go into
>>>> >>>> /dev/null and nobody sees uour outcry. And if you create a
>>>> >>>> (few) separate account(s) just to post your vegan agenda
>>>> >>>> to this reddit, it will quickly be banned.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> It's not perfect and there always be new people trying to
>>>> >>>> be that snarky gopher in the whack-a-mole game, but most
>>>> >>>> seasoned redxditors know better.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> It would be trivial for RFC on Usenet to transform to that
>>>> >>>> platform. Our trolls and nymshifters would disappear. And
>>>> >>>> we could ban John every weekday between 6:AM and 4:PM
>>>> >>>> while he's working and collecting paychecks (heh!)
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> -sw
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> "It's merciless, uncaring, and unforgiving. You can appeal
>>>> >>> your ban, but they go into /dev/null and nobody sees your
>>>> >>> outcry".
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> You're not much of a salesman for a new group, are you?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>sounds like a great sales pitch directed at those who want a
>>>> >>useful, on topic group.
>>>> >
>>>> > Moderated by Sqwertz.
>>>> Is Sqwertz's group one of these?
>>>>
>>>> https://www.reddit.com/search?q=COOKING&type=sr%2Cuser
>>>
>>> My guess is that it's a group with 60,000 members and has the
>>> word "meat" in it.
>>
>>What nym does Sqwertz use? The mods are listed as KBPrinceO,
>>Forensicunit, reece1, Truenoiz and SpicyBeefChowFun.
>>
>>https://www.reddit.com/r/meat/
>
> Why are you always so nosey and want to know other peoples
> business all the time? "who is this?" ""where are they from?"
> Never directly asking the person in question, too. You're weird.

Hello Ophelia. Are you still stalking Fat Tony? You seem obsessed
with him.

On Saturday, March 27, 2021 at 4:22:06 PM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Mar 2021 16:20:02 GMT, Pamela >
> wrote:
> >On 21:46 26 Mar 2021, dsi1 said:
> >> On Friday, March 26, 2021 at 9:48:21 AM UTC-10, Pamela wrote:
> >>> On 18:33 26 Mar 2021, Bruce said:
> >>> > On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 06:49:14 -0700, Taxed and Spent
> >>> > > wrote:
> >>> >>On 3/26/2021 6:35 AM, Pamela wrote:
> >>> >>> On 08:22 26 Mar 2021, Sqwertz said:
> >>> >>>> On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 19:15:08 -0400, Boron Elgar wrote:
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>>> RFC has a not atypical contingent of truly crazy posters,
> >>> >>>>> but those are not the problem. I don't mind the lunatic
> >>> >>>>> fringe or the whacko political agenda types, but some folks
> >>> >>>>> go to a LOT of trouble to drop all these extraneous
> >>> >>>>> bullshit "guess who I am imitating today?" posts. That is
> >>> >>>>> its own branch of WTF loon.
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> Reddit. The most trafficked forums on the Internet these
> >>> >>>> days.
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> I manage a reddit (group/forum) of 60,000+ carnivorous
> >>> >>>> members and we often get "brigaded" by the omniscient vegans
> >>> >>>> and religious freaks. And while creating multiple accounts
> >>> >>>> and nyms is much harder than on Usenet, you still can't ban
> >>> >>>> those ****tards quick enough.
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> While there's not many tools left on Usenet to identify bad
> >>> >>>> conduits, it's even more frustrating on reddit. There's are
> >>> >>>> plenty of admins aware of the problems, but they are enigmas
> >>> >>>> and don't use their tools properly.
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> So I've devised a way to ban anybody in our reddit (group)
> >>> >>>> who's ever posted to a vegan/vegetarian/vegan-religious
> >>> >>>> reddit (there's 24 forums you can post to that will ban you
> >>> >>>> from our reddit). It's merciless, uncaring, and unforgiving.
> >>> >>>> You can appeal your ban, but they go into /dev/null and
> >>> >>>> nobody sees uour outcry. And if you create a (few) separate
> >>> >>>> account(s) just to post your vegan agenda to this reddit, it
> >>> >>>> will quickly be banned.
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> It's not perfect and there always be new people trying to be
> >>> >>>> that snarky gopher in the whack-a-mole game, but most
> >>> >>>> seasoned redxditors know better.
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> It would be trivial for RFC on Usenet to transform to that
> >>> >>>> platform. Our trolls and nymshifters would disappear. And we
> >>> >>>> could ban John every weekday between 6:AM and 4:PM while
> >>> >>>> he's working and collecting paychecks (heh!)
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> -sw
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> "It's merciless, uncaring, and unforgiving. You can appeal
> >>> >>> your ban, but they go into /dev/null and nobody sees your
> >>> >>> outcry".
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> You're not much of a salesman for a new group, are you?
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>sounds like a great sales pitch directed at those who want a
> >>> >>useful, on topic group.
> >>> >
> >>> > Moderated by Sqwertz.
> >>> Is Sqwertz's group one of these?
> >>>
> >>> https://www.reddit.com/search?q=COOKING&type=sr%2Cuser
> >>
> >> My guess is that it's a group with 60,000 members and has the word
> >> "meat" in it.
> >
> >What nym does Sqwertz use? The mods are listed as KBPrinceO,
> >Forensicunit, reece1, Truenoiz and SpicyBeefChowFun.
> >
> >https://www.reddit.com/r/meat/
> Why are you always so nosey and want to know other peoples business
> all the time? "who is this?" ""where are they from?" Never directly
> asking the person in question, too. You're weird.

She might be interested in a boy, here.

Boron Elgar wrote:

> On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 03:19:19 -0700 (PDT), bruce bowser
> > wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, March 25, 2021 at 4:47:24 AM UTC-4, S Viemeister wrote:
> >> On 25/03/2021 03:17, Michael Trew wrote:
> >> > On 3/24/2021 5:28 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> >> And as for your $1 loaf of bread in your previous post: that's
> shitty >> >> bread. I'd rather pay $7 and get a good loaf of bread.
> >> >
> >> > I'd rather have the expensive bread too, but income is a factor
> in these >> > things as well.
> >>
> >> Bake your own. Good bread at 'cheap bread' prices.
> >
> > Including energy & labor costs of cleaning dishes.
>
> Energy is expended to get to/from the store, either human or
> mechanical if you are going to buy store bread or ingredients to use
> at home.
>
> Baked yourself at home there is one bowl to mix the dough, which also
> serves as the proof container. Shaped loaf bakes on reusable
> parchment/mat on a stone. No clean up to that except to blow off the
> crumbs.
>
> I get the feeling you haven't the foggiest idea of how bread is made.
> I have news for you...it does not come out of the oven sliced and in a
> bag.

A lot of people don't understand it. It is however very simple to do.
Most are made with 10 minutes of your time (or less!).

On Saturday, March 27, 2021 at 4:27:10 PM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote:

> The unfortunate part is that my 120 year old house is built with real
> masonry - outer layer of brick, and an inner layer of brick on which the
> wall plaster is directly applied. I don't think any of my walls can be
> insulated. The attic insulation needs beefed up for sure. There are
> gaps and cracks that need filled in the foundation as well; I can feel
> drafts heavily in the cellar in winter time.

My house is masonry, too. Concrete block veneered with split fieldstone.
We have some sort of lath between the block and the vintage-1947
sheetrock (which is skim-coated with plaster), but the gap is only about
1/4 inch. Certainly not enough to add insulation, but it provides a
little dead airspace. The walls are still pretty cold in the winter, with
only R1 between us and the outdoors.

In 2010 we sprayed foam insulation into the cavities at the top of the
foundation wall, and up where the rim joists would be if it were a
stick-built house. And we also added an additional foot of blown-in
insulation in the attic. Well worth the money and effort.

Cindy Hamilton

On 00:58 28 Mar 2021, bruce bowser said:
> On Saturday, March 27, 2021 at 4:22:06 PM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:
>> On Sat, 27 Mar 2021 16:20:02 GMT, Pamela >
>> wrote:
>> >On 21:46 26 Mar 2021, dsi1 said:
>> >> On Friday, March 26, 2021 at 9:48:21 AM UTC-10, Pamela wrote:
>> >>> On 18:33 26 Mar 2021, Bruce said:
>> >>> > On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 06:49:14 -0700, Taxed and Spent
>> >>> > > wrote:
>> >>> >>On 3/26/2021 6:35 AM, Pamela wrote:
>> >>> >>> On 08:22 26 Mar 2021, Sqwertz said:
>> >>> >>>> On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 19:15:08 -0400, Boron Elgar wrote:
>> >>> >>>>>
>> >>> >>>>>
>> >>> >>>>> RFC has a not atypical contingent of truly crazy
>> >>> >>>>> posters, but those are not the problem. I don't mind
>> >>> >>>>> the lunatic fringe or the whacko political agenda
>> >>> >>>>> types, but some folks go to a LOT of trouble to drop
>> >>> >>>>> all these extraneous bullshit "guess who I am imitating
>> >>> >>>>> today?" posts. That is its own branch of WTF loon.
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>> Reddit. The most trafficked forums on the Internet these
>> >>> >>>> days.
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>> I manage a reddit (group/forum) of 60,000+ carnivorous
>> >>> >>>> members and we often get "brigaded" by the omniscient
>> >>> >>>> vegans and religious freaks. And while creating multiple
>> >>> >>>> accounts and nyms is much harder than on Usenet, you
>> >>> >>>> still can't ban those ****tards quick enough.
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>> While there's not many tools left on Usenet to identify
>> >>> >>>> bad conduits, it's even more frustrating on reddit.
>> >>> >>>> There's are plenty of admins aware of the problems, but
>> >>> >>>> they are enigmas and don't use their tools properly.
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>> So I've devised a way to ban anybody in our reddit
>> >>> >>>> (group) who's ever posted to a
>> >>> >>>> vegan/vegetarian/vegan-religious reddit (there's 24
>> >>> >>>> forums you can post to that will ban you from our
>> >>> >>>> reddit). It's merciless, uncaring, and unforgiving.
>> >>> >>>> You can appeal your ban, but they go into /dev/null and
>> >>> >>>> nobody sees uour outcry. And if you create a (few)
>> >>> >>>> separate account(s) just to post your vegan agenda to
>> >>> >>>> this reddit, it will quickly be banned.
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>> It's not perfect and there always be new people trying
>> >>> >>>> to be that snarky gopher in the whack-a-mole game, but
>> >>> >>>> most seasoned redxditors know better.
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>> It would be trivial for RFC on Usenet to transform to
>> >>> >>>> that platform. Our trolls and nymshifters would
>> >>> >>>> disappear. And we could ban John every weekday between
>> >>> >>>> 6:AM and 4:PM while he's working and collecting
>> >>> >>>> paychecks (heh!)
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>> -sw
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> "It's merciless, uncaring, and unforgiving. You can
>> >>> >>> appeal your ban, but they go into /dev/null and nobody
>> >>> >>> sees your outcry".
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> You're not much of a salesman for a new group, are you?
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>sounds like a great sales pitch directed at those who want
>> >>> >>a useful, on topic group.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Moderated by Sqwertz.
>> >>>
>> >>> Is Sqwertz's group one of these?
>> >>>
>> >>> https://www.reddit.com/search?q=COOKING&type=sr%2Cuser
>> >>
>> >> My guess is that it's a group with 60,000 members and has the
>> >> word "meat" in it.
>> >
>> >What nym does Sqwertz use? The mods are listed as KBPrinceO,
>> >Forensicunit, reece1, Truenoiz and SpicyBeefChowFun.
>> >
>> >https://www.reddit.com/r/meat/
>> Why are you always so nosey and want to know other peoples
>> business all the time? "who is this?" ""where are they from?"
>> Never directly asking the person in question, too. You're weird.
>
> She might be interested in a boy, here.

Completely unprompted, Sqwertz posted about his Reddit subgroup.
It's not like anyone asked him to post about it. So maybe he will
now post to say which of the mods he is:

KBPrinceO, Forensicunit, reece1, Truenoiz or SpicyBeefChowFun.

https://www.reddit.com/r/meat/

On 3/27/2021 11:06 PM, cshenk wrote:
> Boron Elgar wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 03:19:19 -0700 (PDT), bruce bowser
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, March 25, 2021 at 4:47:24 AM UTC-4, S Viemeister wrote:
>>>> On 25/03/2021 03:17, Michael Trew wrote:
>>>>> On 3/24/2021 5:28 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>> And as for your $1 loaf of bread in your previous post: that's
>> shitty >> >> bread. I'd rather pay $7 and get a good loaf of bread.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd rather have the expensive bread too, but income is a factor
>> in these >> > things as well.
>>>>
>>>> Bake your own. Good bread at 'cheap bread' prices.
>>>
>>> Including energy & labor costs of cleaning dishes.
>>
>> Energy is expended to get to/from the store, either human or
>> mechanical if you are going to buy store bread or ingredients to use
>> at home.
>>
>> Baked yourself at home there is one bowl to mix the dough, which also
>> serves as the proof container. Shaped loaf bakes on reusable
>> parchment/mat on a stone. No clean up to that except to blow off the
>> crumbs.
>>
>> I get the feeling you haven't the foggiest idea of how bread is made.
>> I have news for you...it does not come out of the oven sliced and in a
>> bag.
>
> A lot of people don't understand it. It is however very simple to do.
> Most are made with 10 minutes of your time (or less!).
>
>
>
You use a bread machine. Personally I don't eat enough bread to warrant
making it from scratch, machine or not. Oh, in years past (before
anyone invented a home-use bread machine) I made all sorts of bread. I
turned out a magnificent couple of loaves of braided egg bread (challah)
and took them to work for an office pot luck back in the 1980's.
Everyone ooh'd and ahh'd, you MADE this? Yes I did!

I had my breadmaking phase and got over it. If I ate enough bread to
care I'd make it from scratch. As it is, a loaf of nice whole wheat
and/or sourdough round from the grocery store bakery resides in the
freezer. I'd say it takes me about 3 months to consume a loaf of bread.
I do occasionally bake cornbread and other quick batter-type breads.

Jill

On 2021-03-28 10:18 a.m., jmcquown wrote:
> On 3/27/2021 11:06 PM, cshenk wrote:

>> A lot of people don't understand it.Â* It is however very simple to do.
>> Most are made with 10 minutes of your time (or less!).
>>
>>
>>
> You use a bread machine.Â* Personally I don't eat enough bread to warrant
> making it from scratch, machine or not.Â* Oh, in years past (before
> anyone invented a home-use bread machine) I made all sorts of bread.Â* I
> turned out a magnificent couple of loaves of braided egg bread (challah)
> and took them to work for an office pot luck back in the 1980's.
> Everyone ooh'd and ahh'd, you MADE this?Â* Yes I did!
>
> I had my breadmaking phase and got over it.Â* If I ate enough bread to
> care I'd make it from scratch.Â* As it is, a loaf of nice whole wheat
> and/or sourdough round from the grocery store bakery resides in the
> freezer.Â* I'd say it takes me about 3 months to consume a loaf of bread.
> I do occasionally bake cornbread and other quick batter-type breads.

I have been tempted to make some bread. I have not done it in years. I
was raised on home made bread and now get it from a good bakery on town.
My wife does not eat bread and a loaf of bread usually lasts a week and
a half. I get it sliced and keep it in the freezer.

I make pizza dough regularly. Last night's was exceptionally good.

When my mother made bread she would so about a dozen loaves at a time.
Once in a while she would use some of the dough to make cinnamon rolls
or Chelsea buns.

On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 10:28:37 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2021-03-28 10:18 a.m., jmcquown wrote:
>> On 3/27/2021 11:06 PM, cshenk wrote:
>
>>> A lot of people don't understand it.* It is however very simple to do.
>>> Most are made with 10 minutes of your time (or less!).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> You use a bread machine.* Personally I don't eat enough bread to warrant
>> making it from scratch, machine or not.* Oh, in years past (before
>> anyone invented a home-use bread machine) I made all sorts of bread.* I
>> turned out a magnificent couple of loaves of braided egg bread (challah)
>> and took them to work for an office pot luck back in the 1980's.
>> Everyone ooh'd and ahh'd, you MADE this?* Yes I did!
>>
>> I had my breadmaking phase and got over it.* If I ate enough bread to
>> care I'd make it from scratch.* As it is, a loaf of nice whole wheat
>> and/or sourdough round from the grocery store bakery resides in the
>> freezer.* I'd say it takes me about 3 months to consume a loaf of bread.
>> I do occasionally bake cornbread and other quick batter-type breads.
>
>I have been tempted to make some bread. I have not done it in years. I
>was raised on home made bread and now get it from a good bakery on town.
>My wife does not eat bread and a loaf of bread usually lasts a week and
>a half. I get it sliced and keep it in the freezer.
>
>I make pizza dough regularly. Last night's was exceptionally good.
>
>When my mother made bread she would so about a dozen loaves at a time.
>Once in a while she would use some of the dough to make cinnamon rolls
>or Chelsea buns.

I bake bread often but I make up the dough in my bread machine and use
it to make rolls, crusty rolls stay fresh longer than sliced bread.
I don't care for bread that's been frozen... frozen sliced bread is
only fit for the birds.

On 2021-03-28 8:18 a.m., jmcquown wrote:

>>
>>
> You use a bread machine.Â* Personally I don't eat enough bread to warrant
> making it from scratch, machine or not.Â* Oh, in years past (before
> anyone invented a home-use bread machine) I made all sorts of bread.Â* I
> turned out a magnificent couple of loaves of braided egg bread (challah)
> and took them to work for an office pot luck back in the 1980's.
> Everyone ooh'd and ahh'd, you MADE this?Â* Yes I did!
>
> I had my breadmaking phase and got over it.Â* If I ate enough bread to
> care I'd make it from scratch.Â* As it is, a loaf of nice whole wheat
> and/or sourdough round from the grocery store bakery resides in the
> freezer.Â* I'd say it takes me about 3 months to consume a loaf of bread.
> Â*I do occasionally bake cornbread and other quick batter-type breads.
>
> Jill
I make my own and like to try different methods and recipes. My
standard, go-to bread is made in the food processor and if I start at
~6pm, I can have 6-8, 400g loaves finished and cooling by 10pm.

On Sat, 27 Mar 2021 16:58:33 -0700 (PDT), bruce bowser
> wrote:

>On Saturday, March 27, 2021 at 4:22:06 PM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:
>> On Sat, 27 Mar 2021 16:20:02 GMT, Pamela >
>> wrote:
>> >On 21:46 26 Mar 2021, dsi1 said:
>> >> On Friday, March 26, 2021 at 9:48:21 AM UTC-10, Pamela wrote:
>> >>> On 18:33 26 Mar 2021, Bruce said:
>> >>> > On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 06:49:14 -0700, Taxed and Spent
>> >>> > > wrote:
>> >>> >>On 3/26/2021 6:35 AM, Pamela wrote:
>> >>> >>> On 08:22 26 Mar 2021, Sqwertz said:
>> >>> >>>> On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 19:15:08 -0400, Boron Elgar wrote:
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>>> RFC has a not atypical contingent of truly crazy posters,
>> >>> >>>>> but those are not the problem. I don't mind the lunatic
>> >>> >>>>> fringe or the whacko political agenda types, but some folks
>> >>> >>>>> go to a LOT of trouble to drop all these extraneous
>> >>> >>>>> bullshit "guess who I am imitating today?" posts. That is
>> >>> >>>>> its own branch of WTF loon.
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>> Reddit. The most trafficked forums on the Internet these
>> >>> >>>> days.
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>> I manage a reddit (group/forum) of 60,000+ carnivorous
>> >>> >>>> members and we often get "brigaded" by the omniscient vegans
>> >>> >>>> and religious freaks. And while creating multiple accounts
>> >>> >>>> and nyms is much harder than on Usenet, you still can't ban
>> >>> >>>> those ****tards quick enough.
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>> While there's not many tools left on Usenet to identify bad
>> >>> >>>> conduits, it's even more frustrating on reddit. There's are
>> >>> >>>> plenty of admins aware of the problems, but they are enigmas
>> >>> >>>> and don't use their tools properly.
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>> So I've devised a way to ban anybody in our reddit (group)
>> >>> >>>> who's ever posted to a vegan/vegetarian/vegan-religious
>> >>> >>>> reddit (there's 24 forums you can post to that will ban you
>> >>> >>>> from our reddit). It's merciless, uncaring, and unforgiving.
>> >>> >>>> You can appeal your ban, but they go into /dev/null and
>> >>> >>>> nobody sees uour outcry. And if you create a (few) separate
>> >>> >>>> account(s) just to post your vegan agenda to this reddit, it
>> >>> >>>> will quickly be banned.
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>> It's not perfect and there always be new people trying to be
>> >>> >>>> that snarky gopher in the whack-a-mole game, but most
>> >>> >>>> seasoned redxditors know better.
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>> It would be trivial for RFC on Usenet to transform to that
>> >>> >>>> platform. Our trolls and nymshifters would disappear. And we
>> >>> >>>> could ban John every weekday between 6:AM and 4:PM while
>> >>> >>>> he's working and collecting paychecks (heh!)
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>> -sw
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> "It's merciless, uncaring, and unforgiving. You can appeal
>> >>> >>> your ban, but they go into /dev/null and nobody sees your
>> >>> >>> outcry".
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> You're not much of a salesman for a new group, are you?
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>sounds like a great sales pitch directed at those who want a
>> >>> >>useful, on topic group.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Moderated by Sqwertz.
>> >>> Is Sqwertz's group one of these?
>> >>>
>> >>> https://www.reddit.com/search?q=COOKING&type=sr%2Cuser
>> >>
>> >> My guess is that it's a group with 60,000 members and has the word
>> >> "meat" in it.
>> >
>> >What nym does Sqwertz use? The mods are listed as KBPrinceO,
>> >Forensicunit, reece1, Truenoiz and SpicyBeefChowFun.
>> >
>> >https://www.reddit.com/r/meat/
>> Why are you always so nosey and want to know other peoples business
>> all the time? "who is this?" ""where are they from?" Never directly
>> asking the person in question, too. You're weird.
>
>She might be interested in a boy, here.


You mean like a toy boy? This could be Kuthe's financial problems
solved in one fell swoop!

I guess he'd deserve extra danger money for having to eat pussy that
smells and tastes like moldy kippers. Can Pamela afford that??

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On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 14:38:38 +0100, Pamela >
wrote:

>On 00:58 28 Mar 2021, bruce bowser said:
>> On Saturday, March 27, 2021 at 4:22:06 PM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:
>>> On Sat, 27 Mar 2021 16:20:02 GMT, Pamela >
>>> wrote:
>>> >On 21:46 26 Mar 2021, dsi1 said:
>>> >> On Friday, March 26, 2021 at 9:48:21 AM UTC-10, Pamela wrote:
>>> >>> On 18:33 26 Mar 2021, Bruce said:
>>> >>> > On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 06:49:14 -0700, Taxed and Spent
>>> >>> > > wrote:
>>> >>> >>On 3/26/2021 6:35 AM, Pamela wrote:
>>> >>> >>> On 08:22 26 Mar 2021, Sqwertz said:
>>> >>> >>>> On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 19:15:08 -0400, Boron Elgar wrote:
>>> >>> >>>>>
>>> >>> >>>>>
>>> >>> >>>>> RFC has a not atypical contingent of truly crazy
>>> >>> >>>>> posters, but those are not the problem. I don't mind
>>> >>> >>>>> the lunatic fringe or the whacko political agenda
>>> >>> >>>>> types, but some folks go to a LOT of trouble to drop
>>> >>> >>>>> all these extraneous bullshit "guess who I am imitating
>>> >>> >>>>> today?" posts. That is its own branch of WTF loon.
>>> >>> >>>>
>>> >>> >>>> Reddit. The most trafficked forums on the Internet these
>>> >>> >>>> days.
>>> >>> >>>>
>>> >>> >>>> I manage a reddit (group/forum) of 60,000+ carnivorous
>>> >>> >>>> members and we often get "brigaded" by the omniscient
>>> >>> >>>> vegans and religious freaks. And while creating multiple
>>> >>> >>>> accounts and nyms is much harder than on Usenet, you
>>> >>> >>>> still can't ban those ****tards quick enough.
>>> >>> >>>>
>>> >>> >>>> While there's not many tools left on Usenet to identify
>>> >>> >>>> bad conduits, it's even more frustrating on reddit.
>>> >>> >>>> There's are plenty of admins aware of the problems, but
>>> >>> >>>> they are enigmas and don't use their tools properly.
>>> >>> >>>>
>>> >>> >>>> So I've devised a way to ban anybody in our reddit
>>> >>> >>>> (group) who's ever posted to a
>>> >>> >>>> vegan/vegetarian/vegan-religious reddit (there's 24
>>> >>> >>>> forums you can post to that will ban you from our
>>> >>> >>>> reddit). It's merciless, uncaring, and unforgiving.
>>> >>> >>>> You can appeal your ban, but they go into /dev/null and
>>> >>> >>>> nobody sees uour outcry. And if you create a (few)
>>> >>> >>>> separate account(s) just to post your vegan agenda to
>>> >>> >>>> this reddit, it will quickly be banned.
>>> >>> >>>>
>>> >>> >>>> It's not perfect and there always be new people trying
>>> >>> >>>> to be that snarky gopher in the whack-a-mole game, but
>>> >>> >>>> most seasoned redxditors know better.
>>> >>> >>>>
>>> >>> >>>> It would be trivial for RFC on Usenet to transform to
>>> >>> >>>> that platform. Our trolls and nymshifters would
>>> >>> >>>> disappear. And we could ban John every weekday between
>>> >>> >>>> 6:AM and 4:PM while he's working and collecting
>>> >>> >>>> paychecks (heh!)
>>> >>> >>>>
>>> >>> >>>> -sw
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>> "It's merciless, uncaring, and unforgiving. You can
>>> >>> >>> appeal your ban, but they go into /dev/null and nobody
>>> >>> >>> sees your outcry".
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>> You're not much of a salesman for a new group, are you?
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >>sounds like a great sales pitch directed at those who want
>>> >>> >>a useful, on topic group.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > Moderated by Sqwertz.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Is Sqwertz's group one of these?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> https://www.reddit.com/search?q=COOKING&type=sr%2Cuser
>>> >>
>>> >> My guess is that it's a group with 60,000 members and has the
>>> >> word "meat" in it.
>>> >
>>> >What nym does Sqwertz use? The mods are listed as KBPrinceO,
>>> >Forensicunit, reece1, Truenoiz and SpicyBeefChowFun.
>>> >
>>> >https://www.reddit.com/r/meat/
>>> Why are you always so nosey and want to know other peoples
>>> business all the time? "who is this?" ""where are they from?"
>>> Never directly asking the person in question, too. You're weird.
>>
>> She might be interested in a boy, here.
>
>Completely unprompted, Sqwertz posted about his Reddit subgroup.
>It's not like anyone asked him to post about it. So maybe he will
>now post to say which of the mods he is:
>
>KBPrinceO, Forensicunit, reece1, Truenoiz or SpicyBeefChowFun.
>
>https://www.reddit.com/r/meat/

You're really bad at second guessing people. I could explain, but that
would take away some of the fun here.

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Sheldon Martin wrote:
> I don't care for bread that's been frozen... frozen sliced bread is
> only fit for the birds.

Not really. All frozen bread is fine for toast.

Once I bought 2 loaves of 7-grain whole wheat bread.
One went right into the freezer unopened. It stayed in there for over a
year. It was perfectly fine when I finally thawed and used it.

On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 07:07:59 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Sheldon Martin wrote:
>> I don't care for bread that's been frozen... frozen sliced bread is
>> only fit for the birds.
>
>Not really. All frozen bread is fine for toast.
>
>Once I bought 2 loaves of 7-grain whole wheat bread.
>One went right into the freezer unopened. It stayed in there for over a
>year. It was perfectly fine when I finally thawed and used it.

When you paid 39¢ a loaf how good could it have been?
Why do people waste freezer space on bread... costs more to run your
freezer than you paid for that bread.
Let them eat cake!

On 3/29/2021 8:31 AM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
> Why do people waste freezer space on bread.
>
IDIOT!
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On Saturday, March 6, 2021 at 9:47:41 PM UTC-5, songbird wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
> ...
> > I have a new non-stick pan that I use for eggs. I have cooked some steaks on it but I get better results with more oil rather than less. Turning can be hard but I tend to use my fingers in non-stick pans. I also have a carbon steel pan that I love. In either pan, I tend to use more oil than most folks. It's important that you have complete coverage on the bottom of the meat with no air pockets. Generally speaking, most cooks in the US aren't using enough oil when frying.
> most of the point of doing non-stick is being able to use
> less oil when cooking.
>
> me, i'll just use the cast-iron pan and call it good.

But, then how will you scrape sunny-side-up eggs out when they're done?

On 29/03/2021 14:44, bruce bowser wrote:
> On Saturday, March 6, 2021 at 9:47:41 PM UTC-5, songbird wrote:
>> dsi1 wrote:
>> ...
>>> I have a new non-stick pan that I use for eggs. I have cooked some steaks on it but I get better results with more oil rather than less. Turning can be hard but I tend to use my fingers in non-stick pans. I also have a carbon steel pan that I love. In either pan, I tend to use more oil than most folks. It's important that you have complete coverage on the bottom of the meat with no air pockets. Generally speaking, most cooks in the US aren't using enough oil when frying.
>> most of the point of doing non-stick is being able to use
>> less oil when cooking.
>>
>> me, i'll just use the cast-iron pan and call it good.
>
> But, then how will you scrape sunny-side-up eggs out when they're done?
>
Eggs slide right out of properly seasoned cast-iron pans.

On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 3:44:33 AM UTC-10, bruce bowser wrote:
> On Saturday, March 6, 2021 at 9:47:41 PM UTC-5, songbird wrote:
> > dsi1 wrote:
> > ...
> > > I have a new non-stick pan that I use for eggs. I have cooked some steaks on it but I get better results with more oil rather than less. Turning can be hard but I tend to use my fingers in non-stick pans. I also have a carbon steel pan that I love. In either pan, I tend to use more oil than most folks. It's important that you have complete coverage on the bottom of the meat with no air pockets. Generally speaking, most cooks in the US aren't using enough oil when frying.
> > most of the point of doing non-stick is being able to use
> > less oil when cooking.
> >
> > me, i'll just use the cast-iron pan and call it good.
>
> But, then how will you scrape sunny-side-up eggs out when they're done?

You can cook eggs in a cast iron pan. Please use a good amount oil.

https://homesteadingfamily.com/how-t...-in-cast-iron/

On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 17:57:17 +0100, S Viemeister
> wrote:

>On 29/03/2021 14:44, bruce bowser wrote:
>> On Saturday, March 6, 2021 at 9:47:41 PM UTC-5, songbird wrote:
>>> dsi1 wrote:
>>> ...
>>>> I have a new non-stick pan that I use for eggs. I have cooked some steaks on it but I get better results with more oil rather than less. Turning can be hard but I tend to use my fingers in non-stick pans. I also have a carbon steel pan that I love. In either pan, I tend to use more oil than most folks. It's important that you have complete coverage on the bottom of the meat with no air pockets. Generally speaking, most cooks in the US aren't using enough oil when frying.
>>> most of the point of doing non-stick is being able to use
>>> less oil when cooking.
>>>
>>> me, i'll just use the cast-iron pan and call it good.
>>
>> But, then how will you scrape sunny-side-up eggs out when they're done?
>>
>Eggs slide right out of properly seasoned cast-iron pans.

And any melted butter remaining is there to sop up with your toasted
English muffin.
I fry in a stainless steel pan that I've made non-stick with oil
grooves made with coarse emery cloth... a mirror finish stainless
steel pan will always stick... don't believe try it on a cheapo five
and dime pan. People pay big bucks for shiney name brand stainless
steel cookware... FOOLS! Buy a sheet of 60 grit emery cloth and make
circular grooves on the entire interior pan bottom. Every machine
tool relies on oil grooves for way lubrication... they pay Millwrights
big bucks to hand scrape the oil grooves in an attractive pattern.
There's much information on the subject of hand scraping oil grooves.
With cooking application one needn't be very accurate.
Some few here may find it useful knowledge:
https://www.mmsonline.com/articles/t...-hand-scraping
I'm pretty good at hand scraping if I may say so.

On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 8:00:32 AM UTC-10, Sheldon wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 17:57:17 +0100, S Viemeister
> > wrote:
>
> >On 29/03/2021 14:44, bruce bowser wrote:
> >> On Saturday, March 6, 2021 at 9:47:41 PM UTC-5, songbird wrote:
> >>> dsi1 wrote:
> >>> ...
> >>>> I have a new non-stick pan that I use for eggs. I have cooked some steaks on it but I get better results with more oil rather than less. Turning can be hard but I tend to use my fingers in non-stick pans. I also have a carbon steel pan that I love. In either pan, I tend to use more oil than most folks. It's important that you have complete coverage on the bottom of the meat with no air pockets. Generally speaking, most cooks in the US aren't using enough oil when frying.
> >>> most of the point of doing non-stick is being able to use
> >>> less oil when cooking.
> >>>
> >>> me, i'll just use the cast-iron pan and call it good.
> >>
> >> But, then how will you scrape sunny-side-up eggs out when they're done?
> >>
> >Eggs slide right out of properly seasoned cast-iron pans.
> And any melted butter remaining is there to sop up with your toasted
> English muffin.
> I fry in a stainless steel pan that I've made non-stick with oil
> grooves made with coarse emery cloth... a mirror finish stainless
> steel pan will always stick... don't believe try it on a cheapo five
> and dime pan. People pay big bucks for shiney name brand stainless
> steel cookware... FOOLS! Buy a sheet of 60 grit emery cloth and make
> circular grooves on the entire interior pan bottom. Every machine
> tool relies on oil grooves for way lubrication... they pay Millwrights
> big bucks to hand scrape the oil grooves in an attractive pattern.
> There's much information on the subject of hand scraping oil grooves.
> With cooking application one needn't be very accurate.
> Some few here may find it useful knowledge:
> https://www.mmsonline.com/articles/t...-hand-scraping
> I'm pretty good at hand scraping if I may say so.

What I'd like is a cast pan with an acid etched aluminum/silicon surface like a Chevy Vega engine cylinder wall. That might be awesome - or not.