On 3/21/2021 4:16 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 5:36:59 AM UTC-10, Mike Duffy wrote:
>> On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 02:18:09 -0700, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>>> Being unable to eat with chopsticks is like being unable to drive a
>>> stick shift.
>> Don't get me started. A few months ago had to buy a car. I was mortified
>> to discover that the only ones left with a stick nowadays are Jeeps and
>> really expensive sports cars.
>>
>> So I got a used 2017 Forester; the last year it was made with a stick.
>>
>> And now I will never buy any car without all-wheel drive, but that is
>> another story I will save for the next time Bruce accuses Dave of being
>> too informative.
>
> You can't get cars with manual transmissions because there's not enough people buying them. I suppose more people could be made to buy them by having them pay a premium for automatics - like in the old days. We were offered a 6 speed car for free and it was okay. In the end I didn't want it because I don't trust anybody around here to park it in gear and use the parking brake - including me.
> What I'd like to get is an old Mazda Miata. Of course that would have to have a 5 speed. I'm not interested in an automatic Miata but the point is moot - my wife is scared to death of that car. That's the brakes.
>


Stick is fun to drive a couple of times a year but no interest in one
for my daily driver.

Mike mentioned high prices sports cars. Most no longer have them with
the new duel clutch automatics that shift very fast and solid. They do
have the paddle shifters though.

We've come a long way since the 2 speed PowerGlide.

On 2021-03-21 4:16 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 5:36:59 AM UTC-10, Mike Duffy wrote:
>ck.
>>
>> And now I will never buy any car without all-wheel drive, but that
>> is another story I will save for the next time Bruce accuses Dave
>> of being too informative.
>
> You can't get cars with manual transmissions because there's not
> enough people buying them. I suppose more people could be made to buy
> them by having them pay a premium for automatics - like in the old
> days. We were offered a 6 speed car for free and it was okay. In the
> end I didn't want it because I don't trust anybody around here to
> park it in gear and use the parking brake - including me. What I'd
> like to get is an old Mazda Miata. Of course that would have to have
> a 5 speed. I'm not interested in an automatic Miata but the point is
> moot - my wife is scared to death of that car. That's the brakes.
>

I don't think I would buy a new car with a manual transmission. The
resale value of them is a lot lower than automatics. I got my wife's
Matrix pretty cheap because it has a manual, and my son's Toyota was
also surprisingly cheap because it was manual. So... if you buy one who
will lose money when you get rid of it. If you are looking for a second
hand car you save by buying one.

On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 11:09:17 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 3/21/2021 4:16 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 5:36:59 AM UTC-10, Mike Duffy wrote:
> >> On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 02:18:09 -0700, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>
> >>> Being unable to eat with chopsticks is like being unable to drive a
> >>> stick shift.
> >> Don't get me started. A few months ago had to buy a car. I was mortified
> >> to discover that the only ones left with a stick nowadays are Jeeps and
> >> really expensive sports cars.
> >>
> >> So I got a used 2017 Forester; the last year it was made with a stick.
> >>
> >> And now I will never buy any car without all-wheel drive, but that is
> >> another story I will save for the next time Bruce accuses Dave of being
> >> too informative.
> >
> > You can't get cars with manual transmissions because there's not enough people buying them. I suppose more people could be made to buy them by having them pay a premium for automatics - like in the old days. We were offered a 6 speed car for free and it was okay. In the end I didn't want it because I don't trust anybody around here to park it in gear and use the parking brake - including me.
> > What I'd like to get is an old Mazda Miata. Of course that would have to have a 5 speed. I'm not interested in an automatic Miata but the point is moot - my wife is scared to death of that car. That's the brakes.
> >
> Stick is fun to drive a couple of times a year but no interest in one
> for my daily driver.
>
> Mike mentioned high prices sports cars. Most no longer have them with
> the new duel clutch automatics that shift very fast and solid. They do
> have the paddle shifters though.
>
> We've come a long way since the 2 speed PowerGlide.

I don't know why people are so proud of themselves just because they can drive standard. They must think of themselves as cowboys. I had them in lightweight, high RPM, cars when I was a young man. Why anybody would want that in a 3600+ lb car with big engines at age 65+ years is beyond me.

On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 17:09:04 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 3/21/2021 4:16 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 5:36:59 AM UTC-10, Mike Duffy wrote:
>>> On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 02:18:09 -0700, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>
>>>> Being unable to eat with chopsticks is like being unable to drive a
>>>> stick shift.
>>> Don't get me started. A few months ago had to buy a car. I was mortified
>>> to discover that the only ones left with a stick nowadays are Jeeps and
>>> really expensive sports cars.
>>>
>>> So I got a used 2017 Forester; the last year it was made with a stick.
>>>
>>> And now I will never buy any car without all-wheel drive, but that is
>>> another story I will save for the next time Bruce accuses Dave of being
>>> too informative.
>>
>> You can't get cars with manual transmissions because there's not enough people buying them. I suppose more people could be made to buy them by having them pay a premium for automatics - like in the old days. We were offered a 6 speed car for free and it was okay. In the end I didn't want it because I don't trust anybody around here to park it in gear and use the parking brake - including me.
>> What I'd like to get is an old Mazda Miata. Of course that would have to have a 5 speed. I'm not interested in an automatic Miata but the point is moot - my wife is scared to death of that car. That's the brakes.
>>
>
>
>Stick is fun to drive a couple of times a year but no interest in one
>for my daily driver.

I've always had manual gears. You get a bit more control over the car
that way.

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On 2021-03-21 5:09 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 3/21/2021 4:16 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>
>> You can't get cars with manual transmissions because there's not
>> enough people buying them. I suppose more people could be made to buy
>> them by having them pay a premium for automatics - like in the old
>> days. We were offered a 6 speed car for free and it was okay. In the
>> end I didn't want it because I don't trust anybody around here to park
>> it in gear and use the parking brake - including me.
>> What I'd like to get is an old Mazda Miata. Of course that would have
>> to have a 5 speed. I'm not interested in an automatic Miata but the
>> point is moot - my wife is scared to death of that car. That's the
>> brakes.
>>
> >
> Stick is fun to drive a couple of times a year but no interest in one
> for my daily driver.

I live in a rural area so most of my driving is on country roads with
few stops signs or lights and very light traffic. A stick works fine for
me. When I get into heavy traffic it can be a pain in the butt
constantly clutching.


>
> Mike mentioned high prices sports cars.Â* Most no longer have them with
> the new duel clutch automatics that shift very fast and solid.Â* They do
> have the paddle shifters though.
>
> We've come a long way since the 2 speed PowerGlide.

IIRC, GM was the only company that used that one.

On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 18:33:27 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2021-03-21 5:09 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 3/21/2021 4:16 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>
>>> You can't get cars with manual transmissions because there's not
>>> enough people buying them. I suppose more people could be made to buy
>>> them by having them pay a premium for automatics - like in the old
>>> days. We were offered a 6 speed car for free and it was okay. In the
>>> end I didn't want it because I don't trust anybody around here to park
>>> it in gear and use the parking brake - including me.
>>> What I'd like to get is an old Mazda Miata. Of course that would have
>>> to have a 5 speed. I'm not interested in an automatic Miata but the
>>> point is moot - my wife is scared to death of that car. That's the
>>> brakes.
>>>
>> >
>> Stick is fun to drive a couple of times a year but no interest in one
>> for my daily driver.
>
>I live in a rural area so most of my driving is on country roads with
>few stops signs or lights and very light traffic. A stick works fine for
>me. When I get into heavy traffic it can be a pain in the butt
>constantly clutching.

Not for an experienced driver.

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On 3/21/2021 5:32 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 17:09:04 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 3/21/2021 4:16 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 5:36:59 AM UTC-10, Mike Duffy wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 02:18:09 -0700, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Being unable to eat with chopsticks is like being unable to drive a
>>>>> stick shift.
>>>> Don't get me started. A few months ago had to buy a car. I was mortified
>>>> to discover that the only ones left with a stick nowadays are Jeeps and
>>>> really expensive sports cars.
>>>>
>>>> So I got a used 2017 Forester; the last year it was made with a stick.
>>>>
>>>> And now I will never buy any car without all-wheel drive, but that is
>>>> another story I will save for the next time Bruce accuses Dave of being
>>>> too informative.
>>>
>>> You can't get cars with manual transmissions because there's not enough people buying them. I suppose more people could be made to buy them by having them pay a premium for automatics - like in the old days. We were offered a 6 speed car for free and it was okay. In the end I didn't want it because I don't trust anybody around here to park it in gear and use the parking brake - including me.
>>> What I'd like to get is an old Mazda Miata. Of course that would have to have a 5 speed. I'm not interested in an automatic Miata but the point is moot - my wife is scared to death of that car. That's the brakes.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Stick is fun to drive a couple of times a year but no interest in one
>> for my daily driver.
>
> I've always had manual gears. You get a bit more control over the car
> that way.
>

Sure, driving across fields, sand dunes, crossing a river. Spend an
hour driving across a big city at rush hour and you'll trade for an
auto. For 99.4% of us, no advantage.

On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 18:55:20 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 3/21/2021 5:32 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 17:09:04 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/21/2021 4:16 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 5:36:59 AM UTC-10, Mike Duffy wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 02:18:09 -0700, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Being unable to eat with chopsticks is like being unable to drive a
>>>>>> stick shift.
>>>>> Don't get me started. A few months ago had to buy a car. I was mortified
>>>>> to discover that the only ones left with a stick nowadays are Jeeps and
>>>>> really expensive sports cars.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I got a used 2017 Forester; the last year it was made with a stick.
>>>>>
>>>>> And now I will never buy any car without all-wheel drive, but that is
>>>>> another story I will save for the next time Bruce accuses Dave of being
>>>>> too informative.
>>>>
>>>> You can't get cars with manual transmissions because there's not enough people buying them. I suppose more people could be made to buy them by having them pay a premium for automatics - like in the old days. We were offered a 6 speed car for free and it was okay. In the end I didn't want it because I don't trust anybody around here to park it in gear and use the parking brake - including me.
>>>> What I'd like to get is an old Mazda Miata. Of course that would have to have a 5 speed. I'm not interested in an automatic Miata but the point is moot - my wife is scared to death of that car. That's the brakes.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Stick is fun to drive a couple of times a year but no interest in one
>>> for my daily driver.
>>
>> I've always had manual gears. You get a bit more control over the car
>> that way.
>>
>
>Sure, driving across fields, sand dunes, crossing a river. Spend an
>hour driving across a big city at rush hour and you'll trade for an
>auto.

If you're an experienced manual driver, using a gear stick is no
effort. It's second nature.

>For 99.4% of us, no advantage.

99.4% of Americans.

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On 3/21/2021 7:43 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 18:55:20 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 3/21/2021 5:32 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 17:09:04 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3/21/2021 4:16 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 5:36:59 AM UTC-10, Mike Duffy wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 02:18:09 -0700, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Being unable to eat with chopsticks is like being unable to drive a
>>>>>>> stick shift.
>>>>>> Don't get me started. A few months ago had to buy a car. I was mortified
>>>>>> to discover that the only ones left with a stick nowadays are Jeeps and
>>>>>> really expensive sports cars.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I got a used 2017 Forester; the last year it was made with a stick.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And now I will never buy any car without all-wheel drive, but that is
>>>>>> another story I will save for the next time Bruce accuses Dave of being
>>>>>> too informative.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can't get cars with manual transmissions because there's not enough people buying them. I suppose more people could be made to buy them by having them pay a premium for automatics - like in the old days. We were offered a 6 speed car for free and it was okay. In the end I didn't want it because I don't trust anybody around here to park it in gear and use the parking brake - including me.
>>>>> What I'd like to get is an old Mazda Miata. Of course that would have to have a 5 speed. I'm not interested in an automatic Miata but the point is moot - my wife is scared to death of that car. That's the brakes.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Stick is fun to drive a couple of times a year but no interest in one
>>>> for my daily driver.
>>>
>>> I've always had manual gears. You get a bit more control over the car
>>> that way.
>>>
>>
>> Sure, driving across fields, sand dunes, crossing a river. Spend an
>> hour driving across a big city at rush hour and you'll trade for an
>> auto.
>
> If you're an experienced manual driver, using a gear stick is no
> effort. It's second nature.
>
>> For 99.4% of us, no advantage.
>
> 99.4% of Americans.
>
Good point, last time I drove stick was in Europe.

Besides, shifting gears is a PITA while drinking coffee and texting.

On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 10:43:27 +1100, Bruce > wrote:

>On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 18:55:20 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>>On 3/21/2021 5:32 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 17:09:04 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3/21/2021 4:16 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 5:36:59 AM UTC-10, Mike Duffy wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 02:18:09 -0700, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Being unable to eat with chopsticks is like being unable to drive a
>>>>>>> stick shift.
>>>>>> Don't get me started. A few months ago had to buy a car. I was mortified
>>>>>> to discover that the only ones left with a stick nowadays are Jeeps and
>>>>>> really expensive sports cars.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I got a used 2017 Forester; the last year it was made with a stick.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And now I will never buy any car without all-wheel drive, but that is
>>>>>> another story I will save for the next time Bruce accuses Dave of being
>>>>>> too informative.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can't get cars with manual transmissions because there's not enough people buying them. I suppose more people could be made to buy them by having them pay a premium for automatics - like in the old days. We were offered a 6 speed car for free and it was okay. In the end I didn't want it because I don't trust anybody around here to park it in gear and use the parking brake - including me.
>>>>> What I'd like to get is an old Mazda Miata. Of course that would have to have a 5 speed. I'm not interested in an automatic Miata but the point is moot - my wife is scared to death of that car. That's the brakes.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Stick is fun to drive a couple of times a year but no interest in one
>>>> for my daily driver.
>>>
>>> I've always had manual gears. You get a bit more control over the car
>>> that way.
>>>
>>
>>Sure, driving across fields, sand dunes, crossing a river. Spend an
>>hour driving across a big city at rush hour and you'll trade for an
>>auto.
>
>If you're an experienced manual driver, using a gear stick is no
>effort. It's second nature.
>
>>For 99.4% of us, no advantage.
>
>99.4% of Americans.

Modern automatic trannies are more like manuals than older manuals...
they know precisely when to shift and into which gear... modern
vehical's computers know instantly when you're going up hill or down
hill, they even judge traction on wet/icy roads, the computer can take
over your braking technique and constantly checks your lane position
and lets you know when you're tiring and warns you to take a coffee
break. I drove a stick most of my life but after driving my wife's
Toyota FJ I'd never go back. Even lets you know which tire needs air,
even the spare.

On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 8:45:32 AM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:

> Modern automatic trannies are more like manuals than older manuals...
> they know precisely when to shift and into which gear... modern
> vehical's computers know instantly when you're going up hill or down
> hill, they even judge traction on wet/icy roads, the computer can take
> over your braking technique and constantly checks your lane position
> and lets you know when you're tiring and warns you to take a coffee
> break. I drove a stick most of my life but after driving my wife's
> Toyota FJ I'd never go back. Even lets you know which tire needs air,
> even the spare.

I guess my 2004 Toyota Highlander isn't modern. It doesn't do any of that stuff.
The "low tire pressure" light is always on. If I fill up my tires and reset the
light, it comes back on in about a day. Even if it worked properly, it's not
capable of telling me which tire it is. It's just an idiot light.

It does have ABS. Didn't take me very long to learn not to pump the brakes.

Cindy Hamilton

On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 06:00:10 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 8:45:32 AM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
>
>> Modern automatic trannies are more like manuals than older manuals...
>> they know precisely when to shift and into which gear... modern
>> vehical's computers know instantly when you're going up hill or down
>> hill, they even judge traction on wet/icy roads, the computer can take
>> over your braking technique and constantly checks your lane position
>> and lets you know when you're tiring and warns you to take a coffee
>> break. I drove a stick most of my life but after driving my wife's
>> Toyota FJ I'd never go back. Even lets you know which tire needs air,
>> even the spare.
>
>I guess my 2004 Toyota Highlander isn't modern. It doesn't do any of that stuff.
>The "low tire pressure" light is always on. If I fill up my tires and reset the
>light, it comes back on in about a day. Even if it worked properly, it's not
>capable of telling me which tire it is. It's just an idiot light.
>
>It does have ABS. Didn't take me very long to learn not to pump the brakes.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

Nowadays a 2004 is practically an antique.
Each year cars can do more and more.
I think a lot of the modern features are worthless,
who needs 8 cup holders? But the new safety features
are a big bonus, it's good to know when you're drifting
out of lane, or there's black ice.

Sheldon Martin wrote:
> Nowadays a 2004 is practically an antique.
> Each year cars can do more and more.
> I think a lot of the modern features are worthless,
> who needs 8 cup holders? But the new safety features
> are a big bonus, it's good to know when you're drifting
> out of lane,

Isn't that what your eyes are for?

> or there's black ice.

I don't need the car to tell me about that either.

On 2021-03-22 7:00 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 8:45:32 AM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
>
>> Modern automatic trannies are more like manuals than older manuals...
>> they know precisely when to shift and into which gear... modern
>> vehical's computers know instantly when you're going up hill or down
>> hill, they even judge traction on wet/icy roads, the computer can take
>> over your braking technique and constantly checks your lane position
>> and lets you know when you're tiring and warns you to take a coffee
>> break. I drove a stick most of my life but after driving my wife's
>> Toyota FJ I'd never go back. Even lets you know which tire needs air,
>> even the spare.
>
> I guess my 2004 Toyota Highlander isn't modern. It doesn't do any of that stuff.
> The "low tire pressure" light is always on. If I fill up my tires and reset the
> light, it comes back on in about a day. Even if it worked properly, it's not
> capable of telling me which tire it is. It's just an idiot light.
>
> It does have ABS. Didn't take me very long to learn not to pump the brakes.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
What was once my 2001 Highlander is still in operation and will be
transporting my d-i-l to hospital today.

On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 11:08:13 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> Sheldon Martin wrote:
> > Nowadays a 2004 is practically an antique.
> > Each year cars can do more and more.
> > I think a lot of the modern features are worthless,
> > who needs 8 cup holders? But the new safety features
> > are a big bonus, it's good to know when you're drifting
> > out of lane,
> Isn't that what your eyes are for?
> > or there's black ice.
> I don't need the car to tell me about that either.

You're right. There's no point in inventing any technology to
make our lives easier and safer.

I'm going back to walking everywhere I go. I'll have to give my mother
a couple of day's notice when I visit her, and find some sort of hostelry
halfway in between (which I think would be somewhere inside the
Detroit city limits). It's all good, though.

Cindy Hamilton

On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 08:31:57 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 11:08:13 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>> Sheldon Martin wrote:
>> > Nowadays a 2004 is practically an antique.
>> > Each year cars can do more and more.
>> > I think a lot of the modern features are worthless,
>> > who needs 8 cup holders? But the new safety features
>> > are a big bonus, it's good to know when you're drifting
>> > out of lane,

You don't do any long distance driving, five miles is your limit. I've
seen cars drifting in and out of lane on the interstates all the time,
especially at night when they are nodding off at 75 MPH.

>> Isn't that what your eyes are for?

You nod off with your eyes open... duh

>> > or there's black ice.

>> I don't need the car to tell me about that either.

You'll never know you've hit a stretch of black ice, you'll already be
dead.

>You're right. There's no point in inventing any technology to
>make our lives easier and safer.
>
>I'm going back to walking everywhere I go. I'll have to give my mother
>a couple of day's notice when I visit her, and find some sort of hostelry
>halfway in between (which I think would be somewhere inside the
>Detroit city limits). It's all good, though.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 17:09:04 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 3/21/2021 4:16 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 5:36:59 AM UTC-10, Mike Duffy wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 02:18:09 -0700, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Being unable to eat with chopsticks is like being unable to drive a
>>>>> stick shift.
>>>> Don't get me started. A few months ago had to buy a car. I was mortified
>>>> to discover that the only ones left with a stick nowadays are Jeeps and
>>>> really expensive sports cars.
>>>>
>>>> So I got a used 2017 Forester; the last year it was made with a stick.
>>>>
>>>> And now I will never buy any car without all-wheel drive, but that is
>>>> another story I will save for the next time Bruce accuses Dave of being
>>>> too informative.
>>>
>>> You can't get cars with manual transmissions because there's not enough people buying them. I suppose more people could be made to buy them by having them pay a premium for automatics - like in the old days. We were offered a 6 speed car for free and it was okay. In the end I didn't want it because I don't trust anybody around here to park it in gear and use the parking brake - including me.
>>> What I'd like to get is an old Mazda Miata. Of course that would have to have a 5 speed. I'm not interested in an automatic Miata but the point is moot - my wife is scared to death of that car. That's the brakes.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Stick is fun to drive a couple of times a year but no interest in one
>> for my daily driver.
>
> I've always had manual gears. You get a bit more control over the car
> that way.
>

It makes you feel special, right master?

On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 11:59:07 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>
> On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 08:31:57 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> >> > or there's black ice.
> >
> >On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 11:08:13 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> >>
> >> I don't need the car to tell me about that either.
> >>
> You'll never know you've hit a stretch of black ice, you'll already be
> dead.
>
I can believe that! Walking or driving on it, nobody's eyes can spot
it, not even our own Chuck Yeager (Gary) of RFC.

Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 18:55:20 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 3/21/2021 5:32 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 17:09:04 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3/21/2021 4:16 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 5:36:59 AM UTC-10, Mike Duffy wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 02:18:09 -0700, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Being unable to eat with chopsticks is like being unable to drive a
>>>>>>> stick shift.
>>>>>> Don't get me started. A few months ago had to buy a car. I was mortified
>>>>>> to discover that the only ones left with a stick nowadays are Jeeps and
>>>>>> really expensive sports cars.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I got a used 2017 Forester; the last year it was made with a stick.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And now I will never buy any car without all-wheel drive, but that is
>>>>>> another story I will save for the next time Bruce accuses Dave of being
>>>>>> too informative.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can't get cars with manual transmissions because there's not enough people buying them. I suppose more people could be made to buy them by having them pay a premium for automatics - like in the old days. We were offered a 6 speed car for free and it was okay. In the end I didn't want it because I don't trust anybody around here to park it in gear and use the parking brake - including me.
>>>>> What I'd like to get is an old Mazda Miata. Of course that would have to have a 5 speed. I'm not interested in an automatic Miata but the point is moot - my wife is scared to death of that car. That's the brakes.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Stick is fun to drive a couple of times a year but no interest in one
>>>> for my daily driver.
>>>
>>> I've always had manual gears. You get a bit more control over the car
>>> that way.
>>>
>>
>> Sure, driving across fields, sand dunes, crossing a river. Spend an
>> hour driving across a big city at rush hour and you'll trade for an
>> auto.
>
> If you're an experienced manual driver, using a gear stick is no
> effort. It's second nature.
>
>> For 99.4% of us, no advantage.
>
> 99.4% of Americans.
>

99.4% of butt sniffers drive stick shift.

Sheldon Martin wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 10:43:27 +1100, Bruce > wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 18:55:20 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/21/2021 5:32 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 17:09:04 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 3/21/2021 4:16 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>>> On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 5:36:59 AM UTC-10, Mike Duffy wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 02:18:09 -0700, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Being unable to eat with chopsticks is like being unable to drive a
>>>>>>>> stick shift.
>>>>>>> Don't get me started. A few months ago had to buy a car. I was mortified
>>>>>>> to discover that the only ones left with a stick nowadays are Jeeps and
>>>>>>> really expensive sports cars.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So I got a used 2017 Forester; the last year it was made with a stick.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And now I will never buy any car without all-wheel drive, but that is
>>>>>>> another story I will save for the next time Bruce accuses Dave of being
>>>>>>> too informative.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can't get cars with manual transmissions because there's not enough people buying them. I suppose more people could be made to buy them by having them pay a premium for automatics - like in the old days. We were offered a 6 speed car for free and it was okay. In the end I didn't want it because I don't trust anybody around here to park it in gear and use the parking brake - including me.
>>>>>> What I'd like to get is an old Mazda Miata. Of course that would have to have a 5 speed. I'm not interested in an automatic Miata but the point is moot - my wife is scared to death of that car. That's the brakes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Stick is fun to drive a couple of times a year but no interest in one
>>>>> for my daily driver.
>>>>
>>>> I've always had manual gears. You get a bit more control over the car
>>>> that way.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Sure, driving across fields, sand dunes, crossing a river. Spend an
>>> hour driving across a big city at rush hour and you'll trade for an
>>> auto.
>>
>> If you're an experienced manual driver, using a gear stick is no
>> effort. It's second nature.
>>
>>> For 99.4% of us, no advantage.
>>
>> 99.4% of Americans.
>
> Modern automatic trannies are more like manuals than older manuals...
> they know precisely when to shift and into which gear... modern
> vehical's computers know instantly when you're going up hill or down
> hill, they even judge traction on wet/icy roads, the computer can take
> over your braking technique and constantly checks your lane position
> and lets you know when you're tiring and warns you to take a coffee
> break. I drove a stick most of my life but after driving my wife's
> Toyota FJ I'd never go back. Even lets you know which tire needs air,
> even the spare.
>

Does it have a display to show titty size?

In article >,
Cindy Hamilton says...
> I'm going back to walking everywhere I go.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
Trying to lose a few tons, Hammy?
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David Crossley

On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 08:45:26 -0400, Sheldon Martin >
wrote:

>Modern automatic trannies are more like manuals than older manuals...

LOL, What?

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On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 06:00:10 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:


>I guess my 2004 Toyota Highlander isn't modern. It doesn't do any of that stuff.
>The "low tire pressure" light is always on. If I fill up my tires and reset the
>light, it comes back on in about a day. Even if it worked properly, it's not
>capable of telling me which tire it is. It's just an idiot light.
>
>It does have ABS. Didn't take me very long to learn not to pump the brakes.

You think needing to pump the brakes is normal? It means you have air
in the brake lines. Nice to see you care about your own and others
road users safety.

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On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 3:42:01 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 06:00:10 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
>
> >I guess my 2004 Toyota Highlander isn't modern. It doesn't do any of that stuff.
> >The "low tire pressure" light is always on. If I fill up my tires and reset the
> >light, it comes back on in about a day. Even if it worked properly, it's not
> >capable of telling me which tire it is. It's just an idiot light.
> >
> >It does have ABS. Didn't take me very long to learn not to pump the brakes.
> You think needing to pump the brakes is normal? It means you have air
> in the brake lines. Nice to see you care about your own and others
> road users safety.

Before ABS, when driving in slick conditions such as ice or snow, pressing
on the brakes would often cause the wheels to break free of the road surface
due to insufficient friction, even with new tires, snow tires, studded tires, or
chains.

The workaround was to pump the brakes. The off and on oscillation produced
enough friction to stop the car. In fact, that is exactly what antilock breaks do,
only faster than a person can perform the action.

When was the last time you drove on snow or ice?

Cindy Hamilton

On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 12:50:42 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 3:42:01 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 06:00:10 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>> >I guess my 2004 Toyota Highlander isn't modern. It doesn't do any of that stuff.
>> >The "low tire pressure" light is always on. If I fill up my tires and reset the
>> >light, it comes back on in about a day. Even if it worked properly, it's not
>> >capable of telling me which tire it is. It's just an idiot light.
>> >
>> >It does have ABS. Didn't take me very long to learn not to pump the brakes.
>> You think needing to pump the brakes is normal? It means you have air
>> in the brake lines. Nice to see you care about your own and others
>> road users safety.
>
>Before ABS, when driving in slick conditions such as ice or snow, pressing
>on the brakes would often cause the wheels to break free of the road surface
>due to insufficient friction, even with new tires, snow tires, studded tires, or
>chains.
>
>The workaround was to pump the brakes. The off and on oscillation produced
>enough friction to stop the car. In fact, that is exactly what antilock breaks do,
>only faster than a person can perform the action.
>
>When was the last time you drove on snow or ice?

It's been years since I drove on snow, can't afford it since the price
went over $80 a gram. But no such problems with ice, in fact my
neighbor makes it so I get it nice and cheap.

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On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 09:45:07 -0400, Sheldon Martin >
wrote:

>On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 06:00:10 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:
>
>>I guess my 2004 Toyota Highlander isn't modern. It doesn't do any of that stuff.
>>The "low tire pressure" light is always on. If I fill up my tires and reset the
>>light, it comes back on in about a day. Even if it worked properly, it's not
>>capable of telling me which tire it is. It's just an idiot light.
>>
>>It does have ABS. Didn't take me very long to learn not to pump the brakes.
>>
>>Cindy Hamilton
>
>Nowadays a 2004 is practically an antique.
>Each year cars can do more and more.
>I think a lot of the modern features are worthless,
>who needs 8 cup holders? But the new safety features
>are a big bonus, it's good to know when you're drifting
>out of lane, or there's black ice.

If I need to be informed that I'm drifting out of lane, I have to
start drinking less.

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On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 4:16:04 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 12:50:42 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> >On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 3:42:01 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> >> On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 06:00:10 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> >I guess my 2004 Toyota Highlander isn't modern. It doesn't do any of that stuff.
> >> >The "low tire pressure" light is always on. If I fill up my tires and reset the
> >> >light, it comes back on in about a day. Even if it worked properly, it's not
> >> >capable of telling me which tire it is. It's just an idiot light.
> >> >
> >> >It does have ABS. Didn't take me very long to learn not to pump the brakes.
> >> You think needing to pump the brakes is normal? It means you have air
> >> in the brake lines. Nice to see you care about your own and others
> >> road users safety.
> >
> >Before ABS, when driving in slick conditions such as ice or snow, pressing
> >on the brakes would often cause the wheels to break free of the road surface
> >due to insufficient friction, even with new tires, snow tires, studded tires, or
> >chains.
> >
> >The workaround was to pump the brakes. The off and on oscillation produced
> >enough friction to stop the car. In fact, that is exactly what antilock breaks do,
> >only faster than a person can perform the action.
> >
> >When was the last time you drove on snow or ice?
> It's been years since I drove on snow, can't afford it since the price
> went over $80 a gram. But no such problems with ice, in fact my
> neighbor makes it so I get it nice and cheap.

Damn! Sounds like you're trying to talk about a drug deal!

On Friday, March 26, 2021 at 12:04:52 PM UTC-4, bruce bowser wrote:
> On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 4:16:04 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> > On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 12:50:42 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 3:42:01 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> > >> On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 06:00:10 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > >> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> >I guess my 2004 Toyota Highlander isn't modern. It doesn't do any of that stuff.
> > >> >The "low tire pressure" light is always on. If I fill up my tires and reset the
> > >> >light, it comes back on in about a day. Even if it worked properly, it's not
> > >> >capable of telling me which tire it is. It's just an idiot light.
> > >> >
> > >> >It does have ABS. Didn't take me very long to learn not to pump the brakes.
> > >> You think needing to pump the brakes is normal? It means you have air
> > >> in the brake lines. Nice to see you care about your own and others
> > >> road users safety.
> > >
> > >Before ABS, when driving in slick conditions such as ice or snow, pressing
> > >on the brakes would often cause the wheels to break free of the road surface
> > >due to insufficient friction, even with new tires, snow tires, studded tires, or
> > >chains.
> > >
> > >The workaround was to pump the brakes. The off and on oscillation produced
> > >enough friction to stop the car. In fact, that is exactly what antilock breaks do,
> > >only faster than a person can perform the action.
> > >
> > >When was the last time you drove on snow or ice?
> > It's been years since I drove on snow, can't afford it since the price
> > went over $80 a gram. But no such problems with ice, in fact my
> > neighbor makes it so I get it nice and cheap.
> Damn! Sounds like you're trying to talk about a drug deal!

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