On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 17:12:23 -0700, Leo >
wrote:

>On 2021 Mar 25, , Lucretia Borgia wrote
>(in >):
>
>> I'll ask my daughter who does play the bagpipes (or did, don't think
>> of recent years) but somehow I think maybe she doesn't know that one
>> as I do not.
>
>It was a smart aleck remark. I apologize.

I hate that guy too.

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On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 11:06:57 +1100, Bruce >
wrote:

>On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 20:52:18 -0300, Lucretia Borgia
> wrote:
>
>>Lol, yes our politics differ but I don't feel I dislike you!
>
>If you don't like Greg Sorrow, you've either not been paying attention
>or you're a very bad judge of character.
>
>>My nicest memories are of the late 70s early 80s when 8 of us used to do
>>elaborate dinner parties and sit long at the table arguing
>>religion/sex/politics, the forbidden subjects, and yet never falling
>>out over same.
>
>Well, you've lost the ability to disagree civilly.

You have never been civil on RFC. All you do is criticize others and
judge everyone. You think you're better than everyone else. Somehow
you think you word thing in a civil way, when in reality it is pure
trolling. You are cruel to those you select for harassment. I have
every intention to eventually identify locate and cause you real life
problems. Just keep posting.............

On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 17:12:23 -0700, Leo >
wrote:

>On 2021 Mar 25, , Lucretia Borgia wrote
>(in >):
>
>> I'll ask my daughter who does play the bagpipes (or did, don't think
>> of recent years) but somehow I think maybe she doesn't know that one
>> as I do not.
>
>It was a smart aleck remark. I apologize. Maybe the bagpipes can? That´d be
>something!
>
><https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_Y3mnj-8lA>
>
>if you´re interested.
>
OK now I recall hearing them on AFN Tokyo! I must say if you're a good
piper really any tune is possible, though it perhaps sounds a little
different.

GM wrote:
> Or a horse even -- but I'd feel sorry for the horse, lol...

If people still used horses for transportation, PETA would have a field
day with that. Where were they in the 1850's?

I do wonder if they've gone after the Amish these days?

I remember many years ago, they sent people to the beach to yell at
recreational fishermen (and women). Even at catch and release fishermen
just doing it for fun.

"How would you like to bite into a hamburger and get yanked out of the
restaurant with a hook in your mouth?" LOL

On the other hand, that *was* something to consider.

On 25/03/2021 21:41, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 19:42:29 +0000, Ophelia >
> wrote:
>
>> On 25/03/2021 18:41, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>> On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 04:54:51 +1100, Bruce >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 08:29:44 -0300, Lucretia Borgia
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 08:50:32 +0000, S Viemeister
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 24/03/2021 21:56, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2021-03-24 3:21 p.m., Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 14:41:33 -0400, Dave Smith
>>>>>>> ermans
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mountbatten is an Anglo version of Phillip's real name, Von Battenburg.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Without looking very far back in time: the Dutch king is 75% German
>>>>>>>> and 25% Dutch. His children, including the future Queen, are 50%
>>>>>>>> Argentinian, 37% German and 13% Dutch. It's all a load of nonsense.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When WWI broke out the King of England, the Russian Tsar and the German
>>>>>>> Kaiser were all cousins.
>>>>>> Odd phrasing...
>>>>>
>>>>> Odd or biased perhaps! Personally I am happy with things the way they
>>>>> are, what would they be replaced with?? A government appointee? I'll
>>>>> take birth over government.
>>>>
>>>> That's your age talking. Birth over democracy, right.
>>>
>>> Go play with Ofeelya, she can tell you all about the great Farage whom
>>> she loves, the one currently claiming the UK can credit him entirely
>>> with Brexit.
>>>
>>
>> =====
>>
>> Mrs 'Reticula Bugya' You are such a sad old bitch and a nasty tedious
>> little dullard!
>>
>> YOu never got over the fact that I don't like you and never wanted to
>> be your friend!! How many years ago was that????
>>
>> YOu were mean and nasty to other people! How do you like it when it
>> is turned on you??
>>
>> You are pathetic!! You didn't mind giving people a hard time, but
>> you don't like someone doing it back to you????
>>
>> Live with it. I will never like you )) Got it????
>>
>> It is yourself you are showing up!!!
>>
>> learn to spell!
>>
>> Ophelia ... LOL
>>
>
> Oh wow Ofeelya - I sure turned your crank! However this is usenet,
> I'm not concerned about anything you say and I think most here would
> say except for the very odd post, I don't say nasty things to people.
>

===

Err if you wish to speak to me, please learn to spell??

Not that I expect anything else from someone like you who tells lies
all the time)

I am sure those here, who have been here long enough, know what a
foul mouthed liar you are)

Do your worst, I don't really care, I just hoped you had learned
something, apparently not LOL

On 25/03/2021 22:30, Bruce wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 18:45:16 -0300, Lucretia Borgia
> > wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 07:40:06 +1100, John Kuthe >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 07:18:26 +1100, Bruce >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Positively ancient
>>>
>>> Yes. You're even bigoted against older people. Ageist. Bruce, the 'I'm
>>> not a troll' hypocrite.
>>>
>>> John Kuthe, telling it like it is...
>>
>> Now that's funny John, the 'ageist' bit - thought of you today, was
>> looking at a pic of a Stanley Steamer and thought you should have one
>> of those, really a non-gas car
>
> Did you really think that was John Kuthe? Check the headers when in
> doubt. If a post comes from aioe or neodome, it's not the real person.
>

====

Come on ... she isn't that bright)

On 26/03/2021 00:06, Bruce wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 20:52:18 -0300, Lucretia Borgia
> > wrote:
>
>> Lol, yes our politics differ but I don't feel I dislike you!
>
> If you don't like Greg Sorrow, you've either not been paying attention
> or you're a very bad judge of character.
>
>> My nicest memories are of the late 70s early 80s when 8 of us used to do
>> elaborate dinner parties and sit long at the table arguing
>> religion/sex/politics, the forbidden subjects, and yet never falling
>> out over same.
>
> Well, you've lost the ability to disagree civilly. Why else do you
> keep harping on about Nigel Farage who's left politics altogether?

==

Very true!

On 2021-03-26 7:49 a.m., Gary wrote:
> GM wrote:
>> Or a horse even -- but I'd feel sorry for the horse, lol...
>
> If people still used horses for transportation, PETA would have a field
> day with that. Where were they in the 1850's?

The PETA gang have regular protests in nearby Niagara on the Lake where
they have carriage rides through town. They view it as some sort of
animal torture. I used to ride horses and I can tell you that horses lke
to be ridden. Draft horses like to draw wagons. When I worked at
Marineland the dolphins, orca, seals and sea lions all loved to come out
and do a show.


> I remember many years ago, they sent people to the beach to yell at
> recreational fishermen (and women). Even at catch and release fishermen
> just doing it for fun.
>
> "How would you like to bite into a hamburger and get yanked out of the
> restaurant with a hook in your mouth?"Â* LOL
>
> On the other hand, that *was* something to consider.


I always wondered by some people are so opposed to hunting but have no
problems with fishing. They object to livestock being humanely
slaughtered but remain blissfully ignorant of the suffering of fish
thrown into the hold of a ship to suffocate.

On 2021-03-26 4:43 a.m., Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 17:12:23 -0700, Leo >
> wrote:
>
>> On 2021 Mar 25, , Lucretia Borgia wrote
>> (in >):
>>
>>> I'll ask my daughter who does play the bagpipes (or did, don't think
>>> of recent years) but somehow I think maybe she doesn't know that one
>>> as I do not.
>>
>> It was a smart aleck remark. I apologize. Maybe the bagpipes can? That´d be
>> something!
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_Y3mnj-8lA>
>>
>> if you´re interested.
>>
> OK now I recall hearing them on AFN Tokyo! I must say if you're a good
> piper really any tune is possible, though it perhaps sounds a little
> different.
>
There is no such thing as a "good piper"!

On 26/03/2021 14:45, Graham wrote:
> On 2021-03-26 4:43 a.m., Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>> On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 17:12:23 -0700, Leo >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2021 Mar 25, , Lucretia Borgia wrote
>>> (in >):
>>>
>>>> I'll ask my daughter who does play the bagpipes (or did, don't think
>>>> of recent years) but somehow I think maybe she doesn't know that one
>>>> as I do not.
>>>
>>> It was a smart aleck remark. I apologize. Maybe the bagpipes can?
>>> That´d be
>>> something!
>>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_Y3mnj-8lA>
>>>
>>> if you´re interested.
>>>
>> OK now I recall hearing them on AFN Tokyo! I must say if you're a good
>> piper really any tune is possible, though it perhaps sounds a little
>> different.
>>
> There is no such thing as a "good piper"!

Pfft!

On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 08:45:46 -0600, Graham > wrote:

>On 2021-03-26 4:43 a.m., Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>> On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 17:12:23 -0700, Leo >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2021 Mar 25, , Lucretia Borgia wrote
>>> (in >):
>>>
>>>> I'll ask my daughter who does play the bagpipes (or did, don't think
>>>> of recent years) but somehow I think maybe she doesn't know that one
>>>> as I do not.
>>>
>>> It was a smart aleck remark. I apologize. Maybe the bagpipes can? That´d be
>>> something!
>>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_Y3mnj-8lA>
>>>
>>> if you´re interested.
>>>
>> OK now I recall hearing them on AFN Tokyo! I must say if you're a good
>> piper really any tune is possible, though it perhaps sounds a little
>> different.
>>
>There is no such thing as a "good piper"!

I like pipes. I am fond of every musical instrument I have ever heard.

On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 08:45:46 -0600, Graham > wrote:

>On 2021-03-26 4:43 a.m., Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>> On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 17:12:23 -0700, Leo >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2021 Mar 25, , Lucretia Borgia wrote
>>> (in >):
>>>
>>>> I'll ask my daughter who does play the bagpipes (or did, don't think
>>>> of recent years) but somehow I think maybe she doesn't know that one
>>>> as I do not.
>>>
>>> It was a smart aleck remark. I apologize. Maybe the bagpipes can? That´d be
>>> something!
>>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_Y3mnj-8lA>
>>>
>>> if you´re interested.
>>>
>> OK now I recall hearing them on AFN Tokyo! I must say if you're a good
>> piper really any tune is possible, though it perhaps sounds a little
>> different.
>>
>There is no such thing as a "good piper"!

Yes there is - you Suffolk boy!!

On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 14:46:43 +0000, S Viemeister
> wrote:

>On 26/03/2021 14:45, Graham wrote:
>> On 2021-03-26 4:43 a.m., Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>> On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 17:12:23 -0700, Leo >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2021 Mar 25, , Lucretia Borgia wrote
>>>> (in >):
>>>>
>>>>> I'll ask my daughter who does play the bagpipes (or did, don't think
>>>>> of recent years) but somehow I think maybe she doesn't know that one
>>>>> as I do not.
>>>>
>>>> It was a smart aleck remark. I apologize. Maybe the bagpipes can?
>>>> That´d be
>>>> something!
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_Y3mnj-8lA>
>>>>
>>>> if you´re interested.
>>>>
>>> OK now I recall hearing them on AFN Tokyo! I must say if you're a good
>>> piper really any tune is possible, though it perhaps sounds a little
>>> different.
>>>
>> There is no such thing as a "good piper"!
>
>Pfft!

He's from Suffolk - what does he know about pipes/pipers ??

On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 11:08:48 -0400, Boron Elgar
> wrote:

>On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 08:45:46 -0600, Graham > wrote:
>
>>On 2021-03-26 4:43 a.m., Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>> On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 17:12:23 -0700, Leo >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2021 Mar 25, , Lucretia Borgia wrote
>>>> (in >):
>>>>
>>>>> I'll ask my daughter who does play the bagpipes (or did, don't think
>>>>> of recent years) but somehow I think maybe she doesn't know that one
>>>>> as I do not.
>>>>
>>>> It was a smart aleck remark. I apologize. Maybe the bagpipes can? That´d be
>>>> something!
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_Y3mnj-8lA>
>>>>
>>>> if you´re interested.
>>>>
>>> OK now I recall hearing them on AFN Tokyo! I must say if you're a good
>>> piper really any tune is possible, though it perhaps sounds a little
>>> different.
>>>
>>There is no such thing as a "good piper"!
>
>I like pipes. I am fond of every musical instrument I have ever heard.

Though I do draw the line at a child learning to play the violin,
excruciating

On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 14:11:49 -0300, Lucretia Borgia
> wrote:

>On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 11:08:48 -0400, Boron Elgar
> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 08:45:46 -0600, Graham > wrote:
>>
>>>On 2021-03-26 4:43 a.m., Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 17:12:23 -0700, Leo >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2021 Mar 25, , Lucretia Borgia wrote
>>>>> (in >):
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll ask my daughter who does play the bagpipes (or did, don't think
>>>>>> of recent years) but somehow I think maybe she doesn't know that one
>>>>>> as I do not.
>>>>>
>>>>> It was a smart aleck remark. I apologize. Maybe the bagpipes can? That´d be
>>>>> something!
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_Y3mnj-8lA>
>>>>>
>>>>> if you´re interested.
>>>>>
>>>> OK now I recall hearing them on AFN Tokyo! I must say if you're a good
>>>> piper really any tune is possible, though it perhaps sounds a little
>>>> different.
>>>>
>>>There is no such thing as a "good piper"!
>>
>>I like pipes. I am fond of every musical instrument I have ever heard.
>
>Though I do draw the line at a child learning to play the violin,
>excruciating

Indeed....I prefer listening to those who have mastered their
instruments.

One of the kids spent some years as a music teacher and her husband is
still one. They had to learn pretty much every common school
instrument, at least rudimentarily. Oh, the hours I spent listening to
all that.

On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 07:49:11 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>GM wrote:
>> Or a horse even -- but I'd feel sorry for the horse, lol...
>
>If people still used horses for transportation, PETA would have a field
>day with that. Where were they in the 1850's?
>
>I do wonder if they've gone after the Amish these days?
>
>I remember many years ago, they sent people to the beach to yell at
>recreational fishermen (and women). Even at catch and release fishermen
>just doing it for fun.
>
>"How would you like to bite into a hamburger and get yanked out of the
>restaurant with a hook in your mouth?" LOL
>
>On the other hand, that *was* something to consider.

It's a good comparison. Imagine catching a MacDonald's client. You'd
better have a strong line and rod.

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On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 13:24:46 +0000, Ophelia >
wrote:

>On 25/03/2021 22:30, Bruce wrote:
>> On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 18:45:16 -0300, Lucretia Borgia
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 07:40:06 +1100, John Kuthe >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 07:18:26 +1100, Bruce >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Positively ancient
>>>>
>>>> Yes. You're even bigoted against older people. Ageist. Bruce, the 'I'm
>>>> not a troll' hypocrite.
>>>>
>>>> John Kuthe, telling it like it is...
>>>
>>> Now that's funny John, the 'ageist' bit - thought of you today, was
>>> looking at a pic of a Stanley Steamer and thought you should have one
>>> of those, really a non-gas car
>>
>> Did you really think that was John Kuthe? Check the headers when in
>> doubt. If a post comes from aioe or neodome, it's not the real person.
>>
>
>====
>
> Come on ... she isn't that bright)

But we can't give up hope!

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On 2021-03-26 2:01 p.m., Boron Elgar wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 14:11:49 -0300, Lucretia Borgia
> > wrote:
>
>> Though I do draw the line at a child learning to play the violin,
>> excruciating
>
> Indeed....I prefer listening to those who have mastered their
> instruments.
>
> One of the kids spent some years as a music teacher and her husband is
> still one. They had to learn pretty much every common school
> instrument, at least rudimentarily. Oh, the hours I spent listening to
> all that.
>

I took instrumental music in Gr.9 and during the first term we learned
some theory and had to try all the different instruments. I had been
taking guitar lessons for about 6 months and was doing well at them, but
I had a hell of a time with the instruments you have to blow into. For
some reason I was assigned to play the clarinet, an instrument I didn't
really appreciate at the time.

We moved to a different city at the end of the first term and I had to
travel by bus across the city to a high school that offered music. I
was so far behind my class mates and not interested enough inp laying
clarinet to bother, plus I got my marks from the old school and had
failed music. I switched to the high school closer to home and picked up
art instead of music. I later got more serious about guitar.

Funny thing about failing music was that I came to realize that it was
my teachers who had failed. I had been doing well at the Conservator
classical guitar lessons. I later taught myself piano and recorder and
learned music theory. I was a pretty damned good guitarist until I had
a coupe injuries that made it hard to play and then developed arthritis.

On 26/03/2021 18:23, Bruce wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 13:24:46 +0000, Ophelia >
> wrote:
>
>> On 25/03/2021 22:30, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 18:45:16 -0300, Lucretia Borgia
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 07:40:06 +1100, John Kuthe >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 07:18:26 +1100, Bruce >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Positively ancient
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes. You're even bigoted against older people. Ageist. Bruce, the 'I'm
>>>>> not a troll' hypocrite.
>>>>>
>>>>> John Kuthe, telling it like it is...
>>>>
>>>> Now that's funny John, the 'ageist' bit - thought of you today, was
>>>> looking at a pic of a Stanley Steamer and thought you should have one
>>>> of those, really a non-gas car
>>>
>>> Did you really think that was John Kuthe? Check the headers when in
>>> doubt. If a post comes from aioe or neodome, it's not the real person.
>>>
>>
>> ====
>>
>> Come on ... she isn't that bright)
>
> But we can't give up hope!
>

===

I gave up hope, long ago!

On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 10:03:41 -0400, Gary wrote:

> I took Steve for his word on buying that dishwasher. Why not? People do
> buy those and Steve always likes to win. Why not buy the best dishwasher
> in the universe like Sheldon. lol
>
> For all you know, he was serious and now is backsliding and calling it a
> joke.

If I was really going to buy a $2,400 dishwasher, I'd also be
posting pictures of fillay minyawn and foy grah every night.

-sw

On 3/26/2021 1:10 PM, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 08:45:46 -0600, Graham > wrote:
>> There is no such thing as a "good piper"!
>
> Yes there is - you Suffolk boy!!
>
GAG!
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On 3/26/2021 2:51 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

> I took instrumental music in Gr.9 and <snip>
>
Write a book you, you're too long winded.
--
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On Thursday, March 25, 2021 at 4:34:49 PM UTC-5, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>
> On 3/25/2021 12:32 PM, wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, March 25, 2021 at 1:43:51 PM UTC-5, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> >>>
> >> We are talking about pilotless ovens.
> >>
> > My gas range has no pilot light and it does not have to be relit when it reaches
> > the desired temperature. I've never heard of ANY gas range with or without a
> > pilot light that has to be relit every time it reaches the correct temperature and
> > then shuts off. Can you cite a brand that does this??
> >
> > Personally, I think you are making this up. No stove does that and a person would
> > have to stand in the kitchen and constantly be relighting the oven to get anything
> > baked.
> >
> Sure, just jump in any old place in the thread so you have no idea what
> is being discussed, then just make a fool out of yourself. Works for you!
>
I've been in this thread since the git-go.

On 3/26/2021 2:53 PM, Ophelia wrote:
> On 26/03/2021 18:23, Bruce wrote:
>> On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 13:24:46 +0000, Ophelia >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 25/03/2021 22:30, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 18:45:16 -0300, Lucretia Borgia
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 07:40:06 +1100, John Kuthe >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 07:18:26 +1100, Bruce >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Positively ancient
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes. You're even bigoted against older people. Ageist. Bruce, the
>>>>>> 'I'm
>>>>>> not a troll' hypocrite.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John Kuthe, telling it like it is...
>>>>>
>>>>> Now that's funny John, the 'ageist' bit - thought of you today, was
>>>>> looking at a pic of a Stanley Steamer and thought you should have one
>>>>> of those, really a non-gas car
>>>>
>>>> Did you really think that was John Kuthe? Check the headers when in
>>>> doubt. If a post comes from aioe or neodome, it's not the real person.
>>>>
>>>
>>> ====
>>>
>>> Â*Â* Come on ... she isn't that bright)
>>
>> But we can't give up hope!
>>
>
> ===
>
> I gave up hope, long ago!
>
>
LOL
--
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--
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On 3/26/2021 12:41 PM, wrote:
> On Thursday, March 25, 2021 at 4:34:49 PM UTC-5, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>>
>> On 3/25/2021 12:32 PM, wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, March 25, 2021 at 1:43:51 PM UTC-5, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>>>>>
>>>> We are talking about pilotless ovens.
>>>>
>>> My gas range has no pilot light and it does not have to be relit when it reaches
>>> the desired temperature. I've never heard of ANY gas range with or without a
>>> pilot light that has to be relit every time it reaches the correct temperature and
>>> then shuts off. Can you cite a brand that does this??
>>>
>>> Personally, I think you are making this up. No stove does that and a person would
>>> have to stand in the kitchen and constantly be relighting the oven to get anything
>>> baked.
>>>
>> Sure, just jump in any old place in the thread so you have no idea what
>> is being discussed, then just make a fool out of yourself. Works for you!
>>
> I've been in this thread since the git-go.
>


Then there must be something wrong with you.

On Friday, March 26, 2021 at 2:45:07 PM UTC-5, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>
> On 3/26/2021 12:41 PM, wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, March 25, 2021 at 4:34:49 PM UTC-5, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> >>
> >> On 3/25/2021 12:32 PM, wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Thursday, March 25, 2021 at 1:43:51 PM UTC-5, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>> We are talking about pilotless ovens.
> >>>>
> >>> My gas range has no pilot light and it does not have to be relit when it reaches
> >>> the desired temperature. I've never heard of ANY gas range with or without a
> >>> pilot light that has to be relit every time it reaches the correct temperature and
> >>> then shuts off. Can you cite a brand that does this??
> >>>
> >>> Personally, I think you are making this up. No stove does that and a person would
> >>> have to stand in the kitchen and constantly be relighting the oven to get anything
> >>> baked.
> >>>
> >> Sure, just jump in any old place in the thread so you have no idea what
> >> is being discussed, then just make a fool out of yourself. Works for you!
> >>
> > I've been in this thread since the git-go.
> >
> Then there must be something wrong with you.
>
Nope. Look in the mirror.

On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 14:01:31 -0400, Boron Elgar
> wrote:

>On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 14:11:49 -0300, Lucretia Borgia
> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 11:08:48 -0400, Boron Elgar
> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 08:45:46 -0600, Graham > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 2021-03-26 4:43 a.m., Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 17:12:23 -0700, Leo >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2021 Mar 25, , Lucretia Borgia wrote
>>>>>> (in >):
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'll ask my daughter who does play the bagpipes (or did, don't think
>>>>>>> of recent years) but somehow I think maybe she doesn't know that one
>>>>>>> as I do not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It was a smart aleck remark. I apologize. Maybe the bagpipes can? That´d be
>>>>>> something!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_Y3mnj-8lA>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> if you´re interested.
>>>>>>
>>>>> OK now I recall hearing them on AFN Tokyo! I must say if you're a good
>>>>> piper really any tune is possible, though it perhaps sounds a little
>>>>> different.
>>>>>
>>>>There is no such thing as a "good piper"!
>>>
>>>I like pipes. I am fond of every musical instrument I have ever heard.
>>
>>Though I do draw the line at a child learning to play the violin,
>>excruciating
>
>Indeed....I prefer listening to those who have mastered their
>instruments.
>
>One of the kids spent some years as a music teacher and her husband is
>still one. They had to learn pretty much every common school
>instrument, at least rudimentarily. Oh, the hours I spent listening to
>all that.
>
Over the years with three kids we had piano, clarinet, trumpet,
bagpipes and drums, it didn't seem too bad then lol

On Friday, March 26, 2021 at 8:51:44 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2021-03-26 2:01 p.m., Boron Elgar wrote:
> > On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 14:11:49 -0300, Lucretia Borgia
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> Though I do draw the line at a child learning to play the violin,
> >> excruciating
> >
> > Indeed....I prefer listening to those who have mastered their
> > instruments.
> >
> > One of the kids spent some years as a music teacher and her husband is
> > still one. They had to learn pretty much every common school
> > instrument, at least rudimentarily. Oh, the hours I spent listening to
> > all that.
> >
> I took instrumental music in Gr.9 and during the first term we learned
> some theory and had to try all the different instruments. I had been
> taking guitar lessons for about 6 months and was doing well at them, but
> I had a hell of a time with the instruments you have to blow into. For
> some reason I was assigned to play the clarinet, an instrument I didn't
> really appreciate at the time.
>
> We moved to a different city at the end of the first term and I had to
> travel by bus across the city to a high school that offered music. I
> was so far behind my class mates and not interested enough inp laying
> clarinet to bother, plus I got my marks from the old school and had
> failed music. I switched to the high school closer to home and picked up
> art instead of music. I later got more serious about guitar.
>
> Funny thing about failing music was that I came to realize that it was
> my teachers who had failed. I had been doing well at the Conservator
> classical guitar lessons. I later taught myself piano and recorder and
> learned music theory. I was a pretty damned good guitarist until I had
> a coupe injuries that made it hard to play and then developed arthritis.

If you're able to read standard notation on the guitar, learning to read/play on the piano is quite a revelation. Musical theory starts to make sense!

On 2021-03-26 5:50 p.m., Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 14:01:31 -0400, Boron Elgar

>> One of the kids spent some years as a music teacher and her husband is
>> still one. They had to learn pretty much every common school
>> instrument, at least rudimentarily. Oh, the hours I spent listening to
>> all that.
>>
> Over the years with three kids we had piano, clarinet, trumpet,
> bagpipes and drums, it didn't seem too bad then lol
>

There is little instrumental music taught in high schools these days.
Instead of having a music teacher in a school it is more common to have
an intiterent music teacher travelling to a number of schools and having
only a few students at each.

I am surprised to see how many people there are these days who cannot
identify the instruments in an orchestra, either by sound or by sight. A
coworker once commented on the guitar music in a song that was playing
and I said something about it being an acoustic guitar. He expressed
doubt that I could tell the difference between an acoustic and an
electric guitar. He was even more skeptical when I told him I could tell
the difference in sound between acoustic and electric guitars, and that
with electric guitars I stood a good chance of identifying the make and
model.

On 2021-03-26 6:13 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> On Friday, March 26, 2021 at 8:51:44 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:

>> Funny thing about failing music was that I came to realize that it
>> was my teachers who had failed. I had been doing well at the
>> Conservator classical guitar lessons. I later taught myself piano
>> and recorder and learned music theory. I was a pretty damned good
>> guitarist until I had a coupe injuries that made it hard to play
>> and then developed arthritis.
>
> If you're able to read standard notation on the guitar, learning to
> read/play on the piano is quite a revelation. Musical theory starts
> to make sense!
>

The notes on the scale are the same. It is just a matter of learning
how to play them on different instruments. Some instruments are easier
than others. Pianos are pretty damned easy because it only takes one
finger to play a single note. The problem is that you often need to play
two or more together. Even worse than that is having to play one line of
music with your right hand and another line of music with the left, and
further complicated by the spaces and lines being different notes in the
bass hand.

Guitars are relatively easy because the notes are found by pressing the
string down at the right fret and using the other hand to pick. It is
not that hard to do a number of different notes together to play a chords.


Other instruments can be really tricky. First you have to blow into the
mouth piece just to make a noise, but then you have to use so many
fingers to cover the holes for various notes. Then there are the brass
instruments where you use your lips and blowing the three basic notes
and having to press combinations of valves.

On Friday, March 26, 2021 at 12:35:16 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2021-03-26 6:13 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> > On Friday, March 26, 2021 at 8:51:44 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> >> Funny thing about failing music was that I came to realize that it
> >> was my teachers who had failed. I had been doing well at the
> >> Conservator classical guitar lessons. I later taught myself piano
> >> and recorder and learned music theory. I was a pretty damned good
> >> guitarist until I had a coupe injuries that made it hard to play
> >> and then developed arthritis.
> >
> > If you're able to read standard notation on the guitar, learning to
> > read/play on the piano is quite a revelation. Musical theory starts
> > to make sense!
> >
> The notes on the scale are the same. It is just a matter of learning
> how to play them on different instruments. Some instruments are easier
> than others. Pianos are pretty damned easy because it only takes one
> finger to play a single note. The problem is that you often need to play
> two or more together. Even worse than that is having to play one line of
> music with your right hand and another line of music with the left, and
> further complicated by the spaces and lines being different notes in the
> bass hand.
>
> Guitars are relatively easy because the notes are found by pressing the
> string down at the right fret and using the other hand to pick. It is
> not that hard to do a number of different notes together to play a chords.
>
>
> Other instruments can be really tricky. First you have to blow into the
> mouth piece just to make a noise, but then you have to use so many
> fingers to cover the holes for various notes. Then there are the brass
> instruments where you use your lips and blowing the three basic notes
> and having to press combinations of valves.

Playing the guitar is easy. Learning to read standard notation on the guitar is pretty damn difficult.

On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 18:50:08 -0300, Lucretia Borgia
> wrote:

>On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 14:01:31 -0400, Boron Elgar
> wrote:
>

>>One of the kids spent some years as a music teacher and her husband is
>>still one. They had to learn pretty much every common school
>>instrument, at least rudimentarily. Oh, the hours I spent listening to
>>all that.
>>
>Over the years with three kids we had piano, clarinet, trumpet,
>bagpipes and drums, it didn't seem too bad then lol

Lots of fun. Lots of lessons. Lots of concerts.

Never had the pipes, but add a lever harp, hammered and Appalachian
dulcimers, a couple of guitars and an accordion. No kid ever played
the accordion, but I ditzed with it, stopping my study once I could
play "Lady of Spain."

On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 18:21:57 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2021-03-26 5:50 p.m., Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>> On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 14:01:31 -0400, Boron Elgar
>
>>> One of the kids spent some years as a music teacher and her husband is
>>> still one. They had to learn pretty much every common school
>>> instrument, at least rudimentarily. Oh, the hours I spent listening to
>>> all that.
>>>
>> Over the years with three kids we had piano, clarinet, trumpet,
>> bagpipes and drums, it didn't seem too bad then lol
>>
>
>There is little instrumental music taught in high schools these days.
>Instead of having a music teacher in a school it is more common to have
>an intiterent music teacher travelling to a number of schools and having
>only a few students at each.

My son in law is a high school music teacher. Big school, south of
here. In normal times, he runs the marching band, jazz band, and has
keyboard and other instrument classes, as well as theory and
composition.

However, many of the local schools here have cut back on music at the
elementary and middle school levels.


>I am surprised to see how many people there are these days who cannot
>identify the instruments in an orchestra, either by sound or by sight. A
>coworker once commented on the guitar music in a song that was playing
>and I said something about it being an acoustic guitar. He expressed
>doubt that I could tell the difference between an acoustic and an
>electric guitar. He was even more skeptical when I told him I could tell
>the difference in sound between acoustic and electric guitars, and that
>with electric guitars I stood a good chance of identifying the make and
>model.


Not everyone has an ear. Some folks are tone deaf, some have perfect
pitch and then we have everyone in between.

wrote:

> On Thursday, March 25, 2021 at 1:43:51 PM UTC-5, Taxed and Spent
> wrote:
> > >
> > We are talking about pilotless ovens.
> >
> My gas range has no pilot light and it does not have to be relit when
> it reaches the desired temperature. I've never heard of ANY gas
> range with or without a pilot light that has to be relit every time
> it reaches the correct temperature and then shuts off. Can you cite
> a brand that does this??
>
> Personally, I think you are making this up. No stove does that and a
> person would have to stand in the kitchen and constantly be
> relighting the oven to get anything baked.

I've not seen one either that worked like that.

Gary wrote:

> cshenk wrote:
> > Sheldon, if you got a gas stove where the oven can't be lit with a
> > match from inside, then that's on you for a poor choice of gas
> > stoves.
>
> Mine can. Just open the lower broiler drawer and reach back there
> with a lit match.
>
> During a power outage, it's nice to still have use of the stovetop
> and oven.

Any temp control issues? Mine uses a static 350F if no power. No
relighting. Turns off with an ancillary switch.

Sheldon Martin wrote:

> On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 08:24:23 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
> > cshenk wrote:
> >> Sheldon, if you got a gas stove where the oven can't be lit with a
> >> match from inside, then that's on you for a poor choice of gas
> stoves.
> >
> > Mine can. Just open the lower broiler drawer and reach back there
> > with a lit match.
>
> I had one like that but they stopped making those some twenty years
> ago. It's actually illegal for a landlord to rent an apartment with
> those old pilot light stoves. You'd be wise to get rid of that stove.
> The pilot lights would blow out and the apartment would fill with gas.
> Someone walks in smoking a cigarete; KABOOM! Gas explosions were
> common, that's why they no longer make stoves with pilot lights.
> Unfortunately those old stoves are still out there. The reason they
> did away with making gas stoves so the oven could be lit with a match
> was because not everyone is agile enough or sees well enough to lie on
> the floor and reach in to that one spot and light the oven quickly
> while gas is pouring out while the gas knob at the top of the stove is
> out of reach. Most people couldn't, especially the elderly or infirm.
> I used to light the oven pilot light for my mom and as a young teen I
> had trouble and it's really a two person job, one at the control and
> one with the match. Also with the power out there were no lights, it
> was too dark peering into the oven, old time flashlights were pretty
> much useless, once yoose use an LED you'll never go back.
> The oven pilot light would go out often, being practically on the
> floor only took someone opening the door for the draught to blow it
> out.
> Pilot lights was the main reason electric stoves came into vogue,
> however those who actually knew how to cook didn't want electric
> stoves, most real cooks still want nothing to do with electric
> stoves... that's why piezoelectric ignition came into vogue. If I
> couldn't have a gas stove I'd have to set up my Coleman white gas
> stove.
> An electric oven works fine but I wan't nothing to do with electric
> top burners.

Drivel Sheldon....

Ophelia wrote:
> On 26/03/2021 18:23, Bruce wrote:
>> On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 13:24:46 +0000, Ophelia >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 25/03/2021 22:30, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 18:45:16 -0300, Lucretia Borgia
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 07:40:06 +1100, John Kuthe >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 07:18:26 +1100, Bruce
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Positively ancient
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes. You're even bigoted against older people. Ageist. Bruce,
>>>>>> the 'I'm
>>>>>> not a troll' hypocrite.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John Kuthe, telling it like it is...
>>>>>
>>>>> Now that's funny John, the 'ageist' bit - thought of you
>>>>> today, was
>>>>> looking at a pic of a Stanley Steamer and thought you should
>>>>> have one
>>>>> of those, really a non-gas car
>>>>
>>>> Did you really think that was John Kuthe? Check the headers
>>>> when in
>>>> doubt. If a post comes from aioe or neodome, it's not the real
>>>> person.
>>>>
>>>
>>> ====
>>>
>>> ** Come on ... she isn't that bright)
>>
>> But we can't give up hope!
>>
>
> ===
>
> I gave up hope, long ago!
>
>

Yes. but you have himself to care for you.

On 2021-03-26 7:04 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> On Friday, March 26, 2021 at 12:35:16 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:

>> Other instruments can be really tricky. First you have to blow into the
>> mouth piece just to make a noise, but then you have to use so many
>> fingers to cover the holes for various notes. Then there are the brass
>> instruments where you use your lips and blowing the three basic notes
>> and having to press combinations of valves.
>
> Playing the guitar is easy. Learning to read standard notation on the guitar is pretty damn difficult.
>

I did not find that. I took classical guitar lessons and quickly
learned the the notes on the sheet and where they were played on the
guitar. When I took it up a little more seriously in my 30s I picked up
a copy of The Complete Beatles, all the songs that Lennon and McCartney
wrote. I was familiar with all of them. I went through and worked on
all the songs in C or Am and then worked my way up, learning those with
one sharp or flat, then 2, 3 and 5.

Along the way I hooked up with a guy who loved to jamb. He had natural
talent but did not know theory. He could not read music. Over the years
he taught me how to jam and I taught him how to read music and chord
theory.


A lot of people use tablature for music. I shows what string and fret to
play, but doesn't tell me anything about what is happening.

On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 19:18:42 -0400, Boron Elgar
> wrote:

>On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 18:50:08 -0300, Lucretia Borgia
> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 14:01:31 -0400, Boron Elgar
> wrote:
>>
>
>>>One of the kids spent some years as a music teacher and her husband is
>>>still one. They had to learn pretty much every common school
>>>instrument, at least rudimentarily. Oh, the hours I spent listening to
>>>all that.
>>>
>>Over the years with three kids we had piano, clarinet, trumpet,
>>bagpipes and drums, it didn't seem too bad then lol
>
>Lots of fun. Lots of lessons. Lots of concerts.
>
>Never had the pipes, but add a lever harp, hammered and Appalachian
>dulcimers, a couple of guitars and an accordion. No kid ever played
>the accordion, but I ditzed with it, stopping my study once I could
>play "Lady of Spain."
>
I think, as I look back, a childhood which is filled with music making
definitely has a little extra something to it. It's odd how it can
skip here and there and then suddenly reappear, my 43 year old
grandson suddenly decided to take guitar about three years ago, he's
pretty damn good now even if it is me saying so!

On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 18:39:41 -0500, Hank Rogers >
wrote:

>Ophelia wrote:
>> On 26/03/2021 18:23, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 13:24:46 +0000, Ophelia >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 25/03/2021 22:30, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 18:45:16 -0300, Lucretia Borgia
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 07:40:06 +1100, John Kuthe >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 07:18:26 +1100, Bruce
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Positively ancient
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes. You're even bigoted against older people. Ageist. Bruce,
>>>>>>> the 'I'm
>>>>>>> not a troll' hypocrite.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John Kuthe, telling it like it is...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now that's funny John, the 'ageist' bit - thought of you
>>>>>> today, was
>>>>>> looking at a pic of a Stanley Steamer and thought you should
>>>>>> have one
>>>>>> of those, really a non-gas car
>>>>>
>>>>> Did you really think that was John Kuthe? Check the headers
>>>>> when in
>>>>> doubt. If a post comes from aioe or neodome, it's not the real
>>>>> person.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ====
>>>>
>>>> ** Come on ... she isn't that bright)
>>>
>>> But we can't give up hope!
>>>
>>
>> ===
>>
>> I gave up hope, long ago!
>>
>>
>
>Yes. but you have himself to care for you.
>
True enough, she has short shriff for widows but she might find
herself one sometime!!