On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 10:00:39 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2021-03-21 9:08 a.m., John Kuthe wrote:
>> On Saturday, March 20, 2021 at 11:33:41 PM UTC-5, Alex wrote:
>>> John Kuthe wrote:
>> ...
>>>> I'm, I''m getting a set of 4 new Michelins for $2000 and an alignment for $150 to.
>>>> You can get cheaper but cheaper is cheaper!
>>>>
>>>> John Kuthe
>>> You got ripped off again! You can get the same for half the price if
>>> you aren't a moron!
>>
>> I meant for $1000, I mistyped!
>>
>> No I am NOT getting ripped off.
>
>That's still way too much for tires for a Leaf.

Michelins are expensive regardless of size. However they perform very
well and give more than twice the mileage of other tires. My wife put
Michelins on her Toyota CJ and they got 110,000 miles and will be
getting another set shortly. The original factory installed tires
didn't get 30,000.
My 1965 Triumph TR4 came in with Michelins and the dealer said they
would add $500 to the price of the car. At the time I didn't know
about Michelin tires, never heard of them. At that time the Triumph
cost under $3,000 so I slept on it and the next morning I told the
dealer I'll pay for the Michelins. At that time no one knew what a
steel belted radial was. I drove that car hard for five years and
those tires were still in great shape when I sold it with nearly
150,000 miles on those Michelins.
https://tires.tirerack.com/tires/Michelin%20X%20Radial

On 2021-03-21 8:13 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2021-03-21 9:44 a.m., Janet wrote:
>> In article >,
>
>>>
>>> I meant $1000 for four new Michelins.
>>>
>>> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
>>
>> Â*Â*Â* Course youÂ* did; you savedmoney andÂ* bought those cheap Michelin
>> tires MADE IN CHINA
>>
>> Â*Â*Â* My friend bought tires for his HD SportsterÂ* and took it to the shop
> down the road from me to get them installed.Â* The owner of the shop had
> so many problems with the front tire he now has a policy that he will
> only install the tires he sells.Â* No more mounting tires that people
> bring in.
>
> He had to take it back in last week. The front tire was completely worn
> and had developed a bulge. He got only a season and a bit out of those
> tires, 12,000 km.Â* Not such a bargain. I had my tires replaced at the
> same shop last year. I had got 22,000 km out of mine.
>
That's pretty poor unless they were soft winter tyres and you drove on
them year round.

On 3/21/2021 10:22 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2021-03-21 10:04 a.m., John Kuthe wrote:
>> On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 9:00:50 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>>> Once John described his electric car acceleration as "just like a slot
>>> car." That got my interest as I did go to a slot car place once when I
>>> was a kid.
>>>
>>> The thought of a human sized slot car is good.
>>> That would be a fun car to drive.
>>
>> My Leaf is fantastically fun to drive! But so is my 2008 Grand
>> Caravan, it just uses petroleum! :-(
>>
>>
>
> I guess you didn't know that the synthetic rubber used in tires is a
> petroleum product.
>
<snork!> That is true. You know how he claims he can get that car
going really fast really quickly? It's called "burning rubber". LOL
Oh the irony.

Jill

On 2021-03-21 10:46 a.m., Sheldon Martin wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 10:00:39 -0400, Dave Smith
That's still way too much for tires for a Leaf.
>
> Michelins are expensive regardless of size. However they perform very
> well and give more than twice the mileage of other tires. My wife put
> Michelins on her Toyota CJ and they got 110,000 miles and will be
> getting another set shortly. The original factory installed tires
> didn't get 30,000.
>


The Michelins I got on my CRV weren't very expensive. The year I spent
working on a road crew we had to pick up a lot of blown tires. That was
1978-79 and Michelins were expensive high end. We picked up more dead
Michelins than all other brands combine.

Remember the tires of the 50s and early 60s. Every car had a spare tire
and they were used frequently. Tires didn't last the way they do now.
You'd be lucky to get 10,000 mile s out of a tire.

On 2021-03-21 11:12 a.m., Graham wrote:
> On 2021-03-21 8:13 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:

>> He had to take it back in last week. The front tire was completely
>> worn and had developed a bulge. He got only a season and a bit out of
>> those tires, 12,000 km.Â* Not such a bargain. I had my tires replaced
>> at the same shop last year. I had got 22,000 km out of mine.
>>
> That's pretty poor unless they were soft winter tyres and you drove on
> them year round.

It is a motorcycle They don't last anywhere near as long as car tires,
and they do tend to be soft rubber.

On 2021-03-21 9:55 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2021-03-21 11:12 a.m., Graham wrote:
>> On 2021-03-21 8:13 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
>
>>> He had to take it back in last week. The front tire was completely
>>> worn and had developed a bulge. He got only a season and a bit out of
>>> those tires, 12,000 km.Â* Not such a bargain. I had my tires replaced
>>> at the same shop last year. I had got 22,000 km out of mine.
>>>
>> That's pretty poor unless they were soft winter tyres and you drove on
>> them year round.
>
> It is a motorcycle They don't last anywhere near as long as car tires,
> and they do tend to be soft rubber.
>
Makes sense!
I have a set of winter tyres on rims that are on the car for 6 months of
the year.
I have wondered if it would be more economical, on any future car, to
run them year round. They would wear out sooner from use in the summer
but might be cheaper in the long run, given the added cost of tyres and
rims.

On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:14:51 -0300, Lucretia Borgia
> wrote:

>On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 07:04:17 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe >
>wrote:
>
>>On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 9:00:50 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>>> Once John described his electric car acceleration as "just like a slot
>>> car." That got my interest as I did go to a slot car place once when I
>>> was a kid.
>>>
>>> The thought of a human sized slot car is good.
>>> That would be a fun car to drive.
>>
>>My Leaf is fantastically fun to drive! But so is my 2008 Grand Caravan, it just uses petroleum! :-(
>>
>>
>>John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
>
>Try to remember your leaf is driven by coal fired power and just think
>of the damage you do to the environment with those jettisoned tires!

"You can stop saying that now. Thank you." (Jill)

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On 3/21/2021 10:00 AM, Gary wrote:
> Alt.Bruce wrote:
>> On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 08:06:33 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> ...for a set of New Shoes! Yay!
>>>
>>> Just waiting on a call back to find out what size and how much it
>>> will cost me!
>>>
>>>
>>> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
>>
>> You SUPPORT the destruction of forests, just so you can scoot around
>> town? Just so you can drive around and feel like youre doing something
>> special??
>
> Destruction of forests for new tires?
> Doesn't everyone have to buy new tires?
>
https://ign.ku.dk/english/news/2019/...t-in-cambodia/
From year 2000, the global demand for natural rubber increased
dramatically, primarily due to the growth of China’s tyre and automotive
industry. Over a fifteen year period from 2001-2015, more than 2.2
million hectares of forest in Cambodia have been felled – equivalent to
almost a quarter of the country’s total forest cover, or an area half
the size of Denmark. Almost a quarter of this area has been replanted
with rubber trees.

On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 10:06:18 -0600, Graham wrote:

> might be cheaper in the long run, given the added cost

My neighbour does that. He doesn't need to do the twice-yearly tire
changes. In the summer, they wear faster, but provide better traction
than summer tires. The only drawback is that he cannot go to Florida.

On 2021-03-21 11:54 a.m., Mike Duffy wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 10:06:18 -0600, Graham wrote:
>
>> might be cheaper in the long run, given the added cost
>
> My neighbour does that. He doesn't need to do the twice-yearly tire
> changes. In the summer, they wear faster, but provide better traction
> than summer tires. The only drawback is that he cannot go to Florida.
>
I would have thought that that was a bonus:-)

On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 12:56:50 PM UTC-5, Graham wrote:
> On 2021-03-21 11:54 a.m., Mike Duffy wrote:
> > On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 10:06:18 -0600, Graham wrote:
> >
> >> might be cheaper in the long run, given the added cost
> >
> > My neighbour does that. He doesn't need to do the twice-yearly tire
> > changes. In the summer, they wear faster, but provide better traction
> > than summer tires. The only drawback is that he cannot go to Florida.
> >
> I would have thought that that was a bonus:-)


Florida doesn't "miss" you, Graham...it is too busy being the most successful US state...

:-P

--
Best
Greg

On 3/21/2021 1:54 PM, Mike Duffy wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 10:06:18 -0600, Graham wrote:
>
>> might be cheaper in the long run, given the added cost
>
> My neighbour does that. He doesn't need to do the twice-yearly tire
> changes. In the summer, they wear faster, but provide better traction
> than summer tires. The only drawback is that he cannot go to Florida.
>

Nokian WRG3. Have a real snow rating but can be used year round.
Designed for North America. Had them on my last two cars.

On 3/21/2021 1:56 PM, Graham wrote:
> On 2021-03-21 11:54 a.m., Mike Duffy wrote:
>> On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 10:06:18 -0600, Graham wrote:
>>
>>> might be cheaper in the long run, given the added cost
>>
>> My neighbour does that. He doesn't need to do the twice-yearly tire
>> changes. In the summer, they wear faster, but provide better traction
>> than summer tires. The only drawback is that he cannot go to Florida.
>>
> I would have thought that that was a bonus:-)
>
Not everyone enjoys living in a frozen shit hole like you do.
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On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 10:46:55 -0400, Sheldon Martin wrote:

> Michelins [...] perform very well and give
> more than twice the mileage of other tires.

Tire performance is measured by different metrics. Michelins give more
mileage because they are harder rubber and thus do not perform as well in
terms of traction.

In my books, paying extra for tires that do not last as long is
preferable because no amount of money saved is worth the risk of
increasing the probability & severity of an automobile accident.

Maybe you don't consider human life to be as important as most of us.

On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 10:00:44 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Alt.Bruce wrote:
>> On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 08:06:33 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> ...for a set of New Shoes! Yay!
>>>
>>> Just waiting on a call back to find out what size and how much it will cost me!
>>>
>>>
>>> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
>>
>> You SUPPORT the destruction of forests, just so you can scoot around
>> town? Just so you can drive around and feel like youre doing something
>> special??
>
>Destruction of forests for new tires?
>Doesn't everyone have to buy new tires?

Yes, everyone who owns a car. But not everyone is a faux 'eco-warrior'
such as John Kuthe who talks trash all the time about how much better
he is than everyone else when it comes to cars and damage to the
environment. Meanwhile, his 'electric' car consumes all the same
fossil fuels and rubber as any other car. Does he even own a bicycle?

>Once John described his electric car acceleration as "just like a slot
>car."

You do have full torque available from 0 RPM with an electric motor,
so that's what he means.

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On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 20:37:56 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe >
wrote:

>On Saturday, March 20, 2021 at 10:28:49 PM UTC-5, John Kuthe wrote:
>> On Saturday, March 20, 2021 at 7:49:20 PM UTC-5, Sqwertz wrote:
>> > On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 08:06:33 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe wrote:
>> >
>> > > ...for a set of New Shoes! Yay!
>> > >
>> > > Just waiting on a call back to find out what size and how much it will cost me!
>> > >
>> > > John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
>> > You had to towed to dealership for pricing on new tires?
>> >
>> > Are you nutz?
>> >
>> > -sw
>> I'm, I''m getting a set of 4 new Michelins for $2000 and an alignment for $150 to.
>>
>> You can get cheaper but cheaper is cheaper!
>>
>>
>> John Kuthe, RN, BSN,,,
>
>I meant $1000 for four new Michelins.
>
>John Kuthe, RN, BSN...

$250 per tire??? What?

On 3/20/2021 8:28 PM, Deranged Idiot K00Kthe wrote:

> I'm

Yes, we know you're a mentally ****tard. Quit reminding us.

Tell it to someone who cares, and that's not here, shitstain.
NOBODY GIVES A ****, YOU SHIT-EATING ****TARD!

Cease breathing. There's your fix, asshole.

You need to be permanently disqualified from all future employment,
you vile sick loser.

THIS ISN'T YOUR PERSONAL MESSAGE BOARD, YOU BRAINDEAD ****TARD!

NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR CHILDISH GARBAGE, SHIT-FOR_BRAINS!

You're still an unemployable failure and always will be!

You are a waste of air.

Nobody gives a shit about your house.
Nobody gives a shit about your sound system.
Nobody gives a shit about your car.
Nobody gives a shit about your exercise.
Nobody gives a shit about your weather.
Nobody gives a shit about your chronic unemployment.
Nobody gives a shit about your mental illness.
Nobody gives a shit about your feeble attempts at "cooking."
Nobody gives a shit about your pointless pathetic "obsessions."
Nobody gives a shit about your life.

NOBODY GIVES A SHIT ABOUT YOU. SHUT THE **** UP AND LEAVE!

On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 9:53:37 AM UTC-10, Mike Duffy wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 10:46:55 -0400, Sheldon Martin wrote:
>
> > Michelins [...] perform very well and give
> > more than twice the mileage of other tires.
> Tire performance is measured by different metrics. Michelins give more
> mileage because they are harder rubber and thus do not perform as well in
> terms of traction.
>
> In my books, paying extra for tires that do not last as long is
> preferable because no amount of money saved is worth the risk of
> increasing the probability & severity of an automobile accident.
>
> Maybe you don't consider human life to be as important as most of us.

I've been avoiding Michelins since the 80's. People say they're high mileage tires but I've never found that to be the case. I prefer an Asian tire rather than these French branded tire. My guess is that I don't care much for the French but I'm willing to give them another chance if someone pays me to do it. The tires that came with my Toyota are Michelins. They'll probably need to be changed soon - sacre bleu!

On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 10:12:24 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 10:00:44 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
> >Alt.Bruce wrote:
> >> On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 08:06:33 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> ...for a set of New Shoes! Yay!
> >>>
> >>> Just waiting on a call back to find out what size and how much it will cost me!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
> >>
> >> You SUPPORT the destruction of forests, just so you can scoot around
> >> town? Just so you can drive around and feel like youre doing something
> >> special??
> >
> >Destruction of forests for new tires?
> >Doesn't everyone have to buy new tires?
> Yes, everyone who owns a car. But not everyone is a faux 'eco-warrior'
> such as John Kuthe who talks trash all the time about how much better
> he is than everyone else when it comes to cars and damage to the
> environment. Meanwhile, his 'electric' car consumes all the same
> fossil fuels and rubber as any other car. Does he even own a bicycle?
> >Once John described his electric car acceleration as "just like a slot
> >car."
> You do have full torque available from 0 RPM with an electric motor,
> so that's what he means.
> --
> The real Bruce posts with Eternal September

If you could get 2 or 3 times the miles from a gallon of gas, wouldn't that be a lot better for the environment? Well, there you go.

On 2021-03-21 11:16 a.m., jmcquown wrote:
> On 3/21/2021 10:22 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2021-03-21 10:04 a.m., John Kuthe wrote:
>>> On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 9:00:50 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>>>> Once John described his electric car acceleration as "just like a slot
>>>> car." That got my interest as I did go to a slot car place once when I
>>>> was a kid.
>>>>
>>>> The thought of a human sized slot car is good.
>>>> That would be a fun car to drive.
>>>
>>> My Leaf is fantastically fun to drive! But so is my 2008 Grand
>>> Caravan, it just uses petroleum! :-(
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I guess you didn't know that the synthetic rubber used in tires is a
>> petroleum product.
>>
> <snork!>Â* That is true.Â* You know how he claims he can get that car
> going really fast really quickly?Â* It's called "burning rubber".Â* LOL Oh
> the irony.

Yep. That would be burning petroleum products.

On 3/21/2021 4:32 PM, dsi1 wrote:

>
> I've been avoiding Michelins since the 80's. People say they're high mileage tires but I've never found that to be the case. I prefer an Asian tire rather than these French branded tire. My guess is that I don't care much for the French but I'm willing to give them another chance if someone pays me to do it. The tires that came with my Toyota are Michelins. They'll probably need to be changed soon - sacre bleu!
>

My last two Asian cars came from the factory in Korea with Michelins.
Got about 35,000 miles on the first one, probably will do that on this
one too.

On 2021-03-21 12:06 p.m., Graham wrote:
> On 2021-03-21 9:55 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:

>> It is a motorcycle They don't last anywhere near as long as car tires,
>> and they do tend to be soft rubber.
>>
> Makes sense!
> I have a set of winter tyres on rims that are on the car for 6 months of
> the year.
> I have wondered if it would be more economical, on any future car, to
> run them year round. They would wear out sooner from use in the summer
> but might be cheaper in the long run, given the added cost of tyres and
> rims.

Some people around here are pushing to mandate winter tires. Thankfully
our provincial government has rejected the idea. Most of us are in the
south end of the province and it doesn't get cold enough that they
really make a difference. The benefits of the softer tire really cold
weather are more than offset by them faster wear of that material. I
figure that an all season radial with good tread is better than a softer
winter tire that has no tread left.

On 2021-03-21 4:14 p.m., Bruce wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 20:37:56 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe >
John Kuthe, RN, BSN,,,
>>
>> I meant $1000 for four new Michelins.
>>
>> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
>
> $250 per tire??? What?
>

Yeah. That is a lot. Not just a little price.... way over priced.

On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 11:13:49 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 3/21/2021 4:32 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
> >
> > I've been avoiding Michelins since the 80's. People say they're high mileage tires but I've never found that to be the case. I prefer an Asian tire rather than these French branded tire. My guess is that I don't care much for the French but I'm willing to give them another chance if someone pays me to do it. The tires that came with my Toyota are Michelins. They'll probably need to be changed soon - sacre bleu!
> >
> My last two Asian cars came from the factory in Korea with Michelins.
> Got about 35,000 miles on the first one, probably will do that on this
> one too.

They're probably better these days. I know them as over-priced and having a tendency towards failure. That's the way it is with tires and guitar strings - once you get a bad set, you just don't trust them anymore.

On 2021-03-21 4:40 p.m., dsi1 wrote:

>
> If you could get 2 or 3 times the miles from a gallon of gas,
> wouldn't that be a lot better for the environment? Well, there you
> go.
>

Nah. We would just drive three times as far because we get great mileage.

On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 11:28:56 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2021-03-21 4:40 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
>
> >
> > If you could get 2 or 3 times the miles from a gallon of gas,
> > wouldn't that be a lot better for the environment? Well, there you
> > go.
> >
> Nah. We would just drive three times as far because we get great mileage.

You people are impossible!

On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 13:40:28 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> wrote:

>On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 10:12:24 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 10:00:44 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>
>> >Alt.Bruce wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 08:06:33 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> ...for a set of New Shoes! Yay!
>> >>>
>> >>> Just waiting on a call back to find out what size and how much it will cost me!
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
>> >>
>> >> You SUPPORT the destruction of forests, just so you can scoot around
>> >> town? Just so you can drive around and feel like youre doing something
>> >> special??
>> >
>> >Destruction of forests for new tires?
>> >Doesn't everyone have to buy new tires?
>> Yes, everyone who owns a car. But not everyone is a faux 'eco-warrior'
>> such as John Kuthe who talks trash all the time about how much better
>> he is than everyone else when it comes to cars and damage to the
>> environment. Meanwhile, his 'electric' car consumes all the same
>> fossil fuels and rubber as any other car. Does he even own a bicycle?
>> >Once John described his electric car acceleration as "just like a slot
>> >car."
>> You do have full torque available from 0 RPM with an electric motor,
>> so that's what he means.
>> --
>> The real Bruce posts with Eternal September
>
>If you could get 2 or 3 times the miles from a gallon of gas, wouldn't that be a lot better for the environment? Well, there you go.

Dare I ask what you're talking about? You have a new hack on the laws
of physics?

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On 2021-03-21 6:33 p.m., Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 13:40:28 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> > wrote:

>>> You do have full torque available from 0 RPM with an electric motor,
>>> so that's what he means.
>>> --
>>> The real Bruce posts with Eternal September
>>
>> If you could get 2 or 3 times the miles from a gallon of gas, wouldn't that be a lot better for the environment? Well, there you go.
>
> Dare I ask what you're talking about? You have a new hack on the laws
> of physics?
>

I think it is in the magic of the language... like using the word "if".

On 3/21/2021 5:23 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2021-03-21 4:14 p.m., Bruce wrote:
>> On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 20:37:56 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe >
> John Kuthe, RN, BSN,,,
>>>
>>> I meant $1000 for four new Michelins.
>>>
>>> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
>>
>> $250 per tire??? What?
>>
>
> Yeah. That is a lot. Not just a little price.... way over priced.

Not all that bad from a dealer. This is from Tirerack.com and does not
include mounting and balancing. The Primacy is $210 each

https://tinyurl.com/2j622nm8

On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 12:36:38 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 13:40:28 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> > wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 10:12:24 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> >> On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 10:00:44 -0400, Gary > wrote:
> >>
> >> >Alt.Bruce wrote:
> >> >> On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 08:06:33 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe >
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> ...for a set of New Shoes! Yay!
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Just waiting on a call back to find out what size and how much it will cost me!
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
> >> >>
> >> >> You SUPPORT the destruction of forests, just so you can scoot around
> >> >> town? Just so you can drive around and feel like youre doing something
> >> >> special??
> >> >
> >> >Destruction of forests for new tires?
> >> >Doesn't everyone have to buy new tires?
> >> Yes, everyone who owns a car. But not everyone is a faux 'eco-warrior'
> >> such as John Kuthe who talks trash all the time about how much better
> >> he is than everyone else when it comes to cars and damage to the
> >> environment. Meanwhile, his 'electric' car consumes all the same
> >> fossil fuels and rubber as any other car. Does he even own a bicycle?
> >> >Once John described his electric car acceleration as "just like a slot
> >> >car."
> >> You do have full torque available from 0 RPM with an electric motor,
> >> so that's what he means.
> >> --
> >> The real Bruce posts with Eternal September
> >
> >If you could get 2 or 3 times the miles from a gallon of gas, wouldn't that be a lot better for the environment? Well, there you go.
> Dare I ask what you're talking about? You have a new hack on the laws
> of physics?
> --
> The real Bruce posts with Eternal September

Here's the thing: I could spend some time laying it out for you but you don't really care. I'm so done with all that. If yoose is so interested, do your own research.

On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:57:11 +1100, Bruce > wrote:

>On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 19:54:10 -0500, Sqwertz >
>wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 13:31:56 -0700 (PDT),
>>wrote:
>>
>>> On Saturday, March 20, 2021 at 10:06:36 AM UTC-5, wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ...for a set of New Shoes! Yay!
>>>>
>>>> Just waiting on a call back to find out what size and how much it will cost me!
>>>>
>>>> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
>>>>
>>> Why are you concerned with the cost?? You're Rich! Rich!! Rich!!! and you make
>>> $24 and hour. The price of tires should not even cross your mind.
>>
>>And his car was already towed there. What's he gonna do, pay
>>another $150 to have to towed to another place for another estimate?
>
>Thanks for caring.

Like you would care, you ****ing troll. Hope the next dick you suck
chokes you.

On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:03:19 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> wrote:

>On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 12:36:38 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 13:40:28 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 10:12:24 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 10:00:44 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Alt.Bruce wrote:
>> >> >> On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 08:06:33 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe >
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> ...for a set of New Shoes! Yay!
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Just waiting on a call back to find out what size and how much it will cost me!
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You SUPPORT the destruction of forests, just so you can scoot around
>> >> >> town? Just so you can drive around and feel like youre doing something
>> >> >> special??
>> >> >
>> >> >Destruction of forests for new tires?
>> >> >Doesn't everyone have to buy new tires?
>> >> Yes, everyone who owns a car. But not everyone is a faux 'eco-warrior'
>> >> such as John Kuthe who talks trash all the time about how much better
>> >> he is than everyone else when it comes to cars and damage to the
>> >> environment. Meanwhile, his 'electric' car consumes all the same
>> >> fossil fuels and rubber as any other car. Does he even own a bicycle?
>> >> >Once John described his electric car acceleration as "just like a slot
>> >> >car."
>> >> You do have full torque available from 0 RPM with an electric motor,
>> >> so that's what he means.
>> >> --
>> >> The real Bruce posts with Eternal September
>> >
>> >If you could get 2 or 3 times the miles from a gallon of gas, wouldn't that be a lot better for the environment? Well, there you go.
>> Dare I ask what you're talking about? You have a new hack on the laws
>> of physics?
>> --
>> The real Bruce posts with Eternal September
>
>Here's the thing: I could spend some time laying it out for you but you don't really care. I'm so done with all that. If yoose is so interested, do your own research.

Whatever you say, dickhead.

--
The real Bruce posts with Eternal September

On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 1:28:32 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:03:19 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> > wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 12:36:38 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> >> On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 13:40:28 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Sunday, March 21, 2021 at 10:12:24 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> >> >> On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 10:00:44 -0400, Gary > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Alt.Bruce wrote:
> >> >> >> On Sat, 20 Mar 2021 08:06:33 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe >
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>> ...for a set of New Shoes! Yay!
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Just waiting on a call back to find out what size and how much it will cost me!
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> You SUPPORT the destruction of forests, just so you can scoot around
> >> >> >> town? Just so you can drive around and feel like youre doing something
> >> >> >> special??
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Destruction of forests for new tires?
> >> >> >Doesn't everyone have to buy new tires?
> >> >> Yes, everyone who owns a car. But not everyone is a faux 'eco-warrior'
> >> >> such as John Kuthe who talks trash all the time about how much better
> >> >> he is than everyone else when it comes to cars and damage to the
> >> >> environment. Meanwhile, his 'electric' car consumes all the same
> >> >> fossil fuels and rubber as any other car. Does he even own a bicycle?
> >> >> >Once John described his electric car acceleration as "just like a slot
> >> >> >car."
> >> >> You do have full torque available from 0 RPM with an electric motor,
> >> >> so that's what he means.
> >> >> --
> >> >> The real Bruce posts with Eternal September
> >> >
> >> >If you could get 2 or 3 times the miles from a gallon of gas, wouldn't that be a lot better for the environment? Well, there you go.
> >> Dare I ask what you're talking about? You have a new hack on the laws
> >> of physics?
> >> --
> >> The real Bruce posts with Eternal September
> >
> >Here's the thing: I could spend some time laying it out for you but you don't really care. I'm so done with all that. If yoose is so interested, do your own research.
> Whatever you say, dickhead.
> --
> The real Bruce posts with Eternal September

Indeed, I do whatever I say and I am a dickhead. Thanks for getting it right this time.

On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 18:40:29 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:

Maybe he was speaking about 'engineering'. My hazy memory says that a
normally aspirated 4-stroke has a theoretical maximum efficiency around
25% at standard temp & pressure. (0 C & 1 atm).

However, supercharged 2-stroke diesel train locomotive engines are in
service which achieve around 67% with a 'boost' of 20 or so.

Engineer - trains, get it?

Seriously, what I do not understand is why they don't use mechanical
oxygen concentrators to bring it up a few notches. If you get rid of the
80% inert nitrogen and pipe a turbocharger into the supercharger, just
imagine what could happen.

Yeah, I know. Hot metal and pure oxygen is a recipe for disaster. We just
need to figure out how to make ceramic pistons, etc.

On 3/21/2021 10:00 PM, Mike Duffy wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 18:40:29 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> Maybe he was speaking about 'engineering'. My hazy memory says that a
> normally aspirated 4-stroke has a theoretical maximum efficiency around
> 25% at standard temp & pressure. (0 C & 1 atm).
>
> However, supercharged 2-stroke diesel train locomotive engines are in
> service which achieve around 67% with a 'boost' of 20 or so.
>
> Engineer - trains, get it?
>
> Seriously, what I do not understand is why they don't use mechanical
> oxygen concentrators to bring it up a few notches. If you get rid of the
> 80% inert nitrogen and pipe a turbocharger into the supercharger, just
> imagine what could happen.
>
> Yeah, I know. Hot metal and pure oxygen is a recipe for disaster. We just
> need to figure out how to make ceramic pistons, etc.
>

The concentrator would be huge. Gas to oxygen is about 1:14.

How big is the engine?
A 4-stroke engine with one litre
displacement operating for 60 minutes at 2500 rpm is
estimated to consume 1 L x 2500/2 rpm x 60 minutes/hour =
75,000 litres of air.

On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 22:29:31 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> The concentrator would be huge. Gas to oxygen is about 1:14.
> How big is the engine?
> A 4-stroke engine with one litre displacement operating for 60 minutes
> at 2500 rpm is estimated to consume 1 L x 2500/2 rpm x 60 minutes/hour =
> 75,000 litres of air.

Medical grade concentrators boost O2 to about 90%. I just checked a few
on Amazon, a device capable of 10 litres / minute (= 600 litres/hour)
takes 585 Watts of power.

One would need 139 such units. (75000 / 600 / .9)

Weight is not a problem once the train gets rolling. Power used by the
concentrators is 139 * 585 W = 81 KW, i.e. 109 Horsepower.


How much hp can the unboosted engine you specified be expected to produce
using normal air (20% O2)? We're going to boost it's power 5-fold, but we
will need to take 109 hp off the drive shaft.

On 2021 Mar 21, , Bruce wrote
(in >):

> "You can stop saying that now. Thank you." (Jill)

Critical thinking.

On 3/20/2021 8:37 PM, Dumb**** K00Kthe wrote:

> I meant

Nobody cares what you meant, ****ass.

Tell it to someone who cares, and that's not here, shitstain.
NOBODY GIVES A ****, YOU SHIT-EATING ****TARD!

Cease breathing. There's your fix, asshole.

You need to be permanently disqualified from all future employment,
you vile sick loser.

THIS ISN'T YOUR PERSONAL MESSAGE BOARD, YOU BRAINDEAD ****TARD!

NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR CHILDISH GARBAGE, SHIT-FOR_BRAINS!

You're still an unemployable failure and always will be!

You are a waste of air.

Nobody gives a shit about your house.
Nobody gives a shit about your sound system.
Nobody gives a shit about your car.
Nobody gives a shit about your exercise.
Nobody gives a shit about your weather.
Nobody gives a shit about your chronic unemployment.
Nobody gives a shit about your mental illness.
Nobody gives a shit about your feeble attempts at "cooking."
Nobody gives a shit about your pointless pathetic "obsessions."
Nobody gives a shit about your life.

NOBODY GIVES A SHIT ABOUT YOU. SHUT THE **** UP AND LEAVE!

On 2021 Mar 21, , jmcquown wrote
(in article >):

> Leasing is a rip-off unless you're using the car for business and can
> write it off as such on your taxes. Otherwise you're paying an
> exhorbitant amount of money up front just to drive it off the lot then
> paying a "car note" every month for a vehicle you will never actually own.

Businesses lease. Individuals buy. A guy that knew what he was talking about
told me that once. Since that´s what I already did, I listened to him.
Individuals can´t write off the cost of a lease. Businesses can.

leo

On 3/21/2021 10:29 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 3/21/2021 10:00 PM, Mike Duffy wrote:
>> On Sun, 21 Mar 2021 18:40:29 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> Maybe he was speaking about 'engineering'. My hazy memory says that a
>> normally aspirated 4-stroke has a theoretical maximum efficiency around
>> 25% at standard temp & pressure. (0 C & 1 atm).
>>
>> However, supercharged 2-stroke diesel train locomotive engines are in
>> service which achieve around 67% with a 'boost' of 20 or so.
>>
>> Engineer - trains, get it?
>>
>> Seriously, what I do not understand is why they don't use mechanical
>> oxygen concentrators to bring it up a few notches. If you get rid of the
>> 80% inert nitrogen and pipe a turbocharger into the supercharger, just
>> imagine what could happen.
>>
>> Yeah, I know. Hot metal and pure oxygen is a recipe for disaster. We just
>> need to figure out how to make ceramic pistons, etc.
>>
>
> The concentrator would be huge. Gas to oxygen is about 1:14.
>
> How big is the engine?
> A 4-stroke engine with one litre
> displacement operating for 60 minutes at 2500 rpm is
> estimated to consume 1 L x 2500/2 rpm x 60 minutes/hour =
> 75,000 litres of air.

Now *that* sounds like a googled expert answer to me.