Is an incredibly interesting documentary about what we eat, mainly the
wrong things, since the days of 'No more than 2 eggs per week and no
more butter, eat margarine'

It' s on Prime Video and about 1hr 45 mins long.

On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 6:40:57 AM UTC-5, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> Is an incredibly interesting documentary about what we eat, mainly the
> wrong things, since the days of 'No more than 2 eggs per week and no
> more butter, eat margarine'
>
> It' s on Prime Video and about 1hr 45 mins long.

**** margarine! That's the one great thing Bryan turned me onto! Miss Butter! YUM!

And eggs are possibly THE best animal food ever! Consider this: everything and I do mean EVERYTHING in an egg is sufficient for building exactly one baby Chick!


John Kuthe, RN, BSN...

On 3/28/2021 9:03 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 6:40:57 AM UTC-5, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>> Is an incredibly interesting documentary about what we eat, mainly the
>> wrong things, since the days of 'No more than 2 eggs per week and no
>> more butter, eat margarine'
>>
>> It' s on Prime Video and about 1hr 45 mins long.
>
> **** margarine! That's the one great thing Bryan turned me onto! Miss Butter! YUM!
>
> And eggs are possibly THE best animal food ever! Consider this: everything and I do mean EVERYTHING in an egg is sufficient for building exactly one baby Chick!
>
>
> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
>
You're a chick magnet, the repelling type.
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On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 7:40:57 AM UTC-4, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> Is an incredibly interesting documentary about what we eat, mainly the
> wrong things, since the days of 'No more than 2 eggs per week and no
> more butter, eat margarine'
>
> It' s on Prime Video and about 1hr 45 mins long.

You should investigate who paid for the "research" on which this documentary
is based.

Cindy Hamilton

On 3/28/2021 10:55 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 7:40:57 AM UTC-4, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>> Is an incredibly interesting documentary about what we eat, mainly the
>> wrong things, since the days of 'No more than 2 eggs per week and no
>> more butter, eat margarine'
>>
>> It' s on Prime Video and about 1hr 45 mins long.
>
> You should investigate who paid for the "research" on which this documentary
> is based.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
I think we've all managed to watch documentaries about food history and
what was considered good and bad for us at one time or another.

I remember my mother being told in the mid 1980's not to eat eggs
because of cholesterol. It was later proved eggs didn't really have
anything to do with it.

Mom bought margarine not because it was allegedly better healthwise but
because it was less expensive. When I was growing up we only got butter
at holiday dinners. Thanksgiving, Christmas. She'd inevitably forget
to set the timer and burn the dinner rolls but hey, we got real butter! LOL

Jill

On 2021-03-28 11:20 a.m., jmcquown wrote:
> On 3/28/2021 10:55 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> I think we've all managed to watch documentaries about food history and
> what was considered good and bad for us at one time or another.
>
> I remember my mother being told in the mid 1980's not to eat eggs
> because of cholesterol.Â* It was later proved eggs didn't really have
> anything to do with it.

They probably considered the diets of the people who had heart issues
and linked their diets and egg consumption to their coronary problems.
It may have been more about the number of calories from all the fats
and salt in their diet. People who are eggs usually had bacon or sausage
with it, both high in salt and fat.
>
> Mom bought margarine not because it was allegedly better healthwise but
> because it was less expensive.Â* When I was growing up we only got butter
> at holiday dinners.Â* Thanksgiving, Christmas.Â* She'd inevitably forget
> to set the timer and burn the dinner rolls but hey, we got real butter! LOL
>

My mother tried to foist margarine on us because it was cheaper than
butter. My father was a country boy, used to fresh home made bread and
churned butter and margarine was a major fail for him. Butter made a
quick return.

Margarine was pretty bad back on the 50s. It was even less appetizing
because, thanks to the dairy lobby, it could not be the same colour as
butter. It was white and came with a little dye pack and you had to add
it and mix it in colour the stuff yellow.

On 2021-03-28 9:35 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2021-03-28 11:20 a.m., jmcquown wrote:
>> On 3/28/2021 10:55 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>> I think we've all managed to watch documentaries about food history
>> and what was considered good and bad for us at one time or another.
>>
>> I remember my mother being told in the mid 1980's not to eat eggs
>> because of cholesterol.Â* It was later proved eggs didn't really have
>> anything to do with it.
>
> They probably considered the diets of the people who had heart issues
> and linked their diets and egg consumption to their coronary problems.
> Â*It may have been more about the number of calories from all the fats
> and salt in their diet. People who are eggs usually had bacon or sausage
> with it, both high in salt and fat.
>>
>> Mom bought margarine not because it was allegedly better healthwise
>> but because it was less expensive.Â* When I was growing up we only got
>> butter at holiday dinners.Â* Thanksgiving, Christmas.Â* She'd inevitably
>> forget to set the timer and burn the dinner rolls but hey, we got real
>> butter! LOL
>>
>
> My mother tried to foist margarine on us because it was cheaper than
> butter. My father was a country boy, used to fresh home made bread and
> churned butter and margarine was a major fail for him. Butter made a
> quick return.
>
> Margarine was pretty bad back on the 50s. It was even less appetizing
> because, thanks to the dairy lobby, it could not be the same colour as
> butter. It was white and came with a little dye pack and you had to add
> it and mix it in colour the stuff yellow.
>
>
>
As "hard-up" as my parents were, we never had margarine in the house,
always Danish or NZ butter. My grandmother went one step further and
would only have butter made by a local farmer.

On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 7:40:57 AM UTC-4, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> Is an incredibly interesting documentary about what we eat, mainly the
> wrong things, since the days of 'No more than 2 eggs per week and no
> more butter, eat margarine'
>
> It' s on Prime Video and about 1hr 45 mins long.

Encouraging people to stop consuming salty, fatty meat, transfat and potatoes with plenty of sugar and alcohol and drugs, tobacco and marijuana may result in dentists and doctors and DENTISTS getting less business, though. Right? Do you want to put doctors out of business?

On 2021-03-28 12:22 p.m., Graham wrote:
> On 2021-03-28 9:35 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:

>> Margarine was pretty bad back on the 50s. It was even less appetizing
>> because, thanks to the dairy lobby, it could not be the same colour as
>> butter. It was white and came with a little dye pack and you had to
>> add it and mix it in colour the stuff yellow.
>>
>>
>>
> As "hard-up" as my parents were, we never had margarine in the house,
> always Danish or NZ butter. My grandmother went one step further and
> would only have butter made by a local farmer.

Danish butter is pretty good, as are most Danish agricultural products.
When we went there for the first time I read number of travel books
about the country and they consensus was that Danish food was basically
fish, meat and potatoes. No doubt there was a lot of that, but by golly
the butter and cheeses were top quality. Breads and pastries were
incredible. I was enjoyed them at the breakfast buffet and saw something
that looked interesting and tried it... vienbrot. I thought I had died
and gone to heaven. It was the most amazing pastry I had had in my life.

On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 07:55:35 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 7:40:57 AM UTC-4, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>> Is an incredibly interesting documentary about what we eat, mainly the
>> wrong things, since the days of 'No more than 2 eggs per week and no
>> more butter, eat margarine'
>>
>> It' s on Prime Video and about 1hr 45 mins long.
>
>You should investigate who paid for the "research" on which this documentary
>is based.

The butter industry?

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On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 1:49:49 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 07:55:35 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 7:40:57 AM UTC-4, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> >> Is an incredibly interesting documentary about what we eat, mainly the
> >> wrong things, since the days of 'No more than 2 eggs per week and no
> >> more butter, eat margarine'
> >>
> >> It' s on Prime Video and about 1hr 45 mins long.
> >
> >You should investigate who paid for the "research" on which this documentary
> >is based.
> The butter industry?

I can't find corroboration, but apparently the animal farming industry.

Any time one of these things comes along, "follow the money" is good advice.

Cindy Hamilton

On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 11:06:00 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 1:49:49 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 07:55:35 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 7:40:57 AM UTC-4, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>> >> Is an incredibly interesting documentary about what we eat, mainly the
>> >> wrong things, since the days of 'No more than 2 eggs per week and no
>> >> more butter, eat margarine'
>> >>
>> >> It' s on Prime Video and about 1hr 45 mins long.
>> >
>> >You should investigate who paid for the "research" on which this documentary
>> >is based.
>> The butter industry?
>
>I can't find corroboration, but apparently the animal farming industry.
>
>Any time one of these things comes along, "follow the money" is good advice.

Yes, maybe that's where the kooky "Saturated fat isn't bad for you
after all!" movement comes from.

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On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 08:40:48 -0300, Lucretia Borgia
> wrote:

>Is an incredibly interesting documentary about what we eat, mainly the
>wrong things, since the days of 'No more than 2 eggs per week and no
>more butter, eat margarine'
>
>It' s on Prime Video and about 1hr 45 mins long.

Dear Lord. So now you've seen this (now old) information on the
brainwashing box, the info is legit?
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On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 11:35:06 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2021-03-28 11:20 a.m., jmcquown wrote:
>> On 3/28/2021 10:55 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>> I think we've all managed to watch documentaries about food history and
>> what was considered good and bad for us at one time or another.
>>
>> I remember my mother being told in the mid 1980's not to eat eggs
>> because of cholesterol.* It was later proved eggs didn't really have
>> anything to do with it.
>
>They probably considered the diets of the people who had heart issues
>and linked their diets and egg consumption to their coronary problems.
> It may have been more about the number of calories from all the fats
>and salt in their diet. People who are eggs usually had bacon or sausage
>with it, both high in salt and fat.

Not a single word about refined carbs and sugars. No distinction
between good and bad fats. You should at least find a second opinion
about this, and not simply assume all medical specialists keep
themselves up to date or even agree with each other.

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On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 11:06:00 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 1:49:49 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 07:55:35 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 7:40:57 AM UTC-4, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>> >> Is an incredibly interesting documentary about what we eat, mainly the
>> >> wrong things, since the days of 'No more than 2 eggs per week and no
>> >> more butter, eat margarine'
>> >>
>> >> It' s on Prime Video and about 1hr 45 mins long.
>> >
>> >You should investigate who paid for the "research" on which this documentary
>> >is based.
>> The butter industry?
>
>I can't find corroboration, but apparently the animal farming industry.
>
>Any time one of these things comes along, "follow the money" is good advice.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

But I assume for you, that approach only cuts one way and not both
ways, right?

John Kuthe, better than everyone else...

On 2021 Mar 28, , Dave Smith wrote
(in article >):

> They probably considered the diets of the people who had heart issues
> and linked their diets and egg consumption to their coronary problems.
> It may have been more about the number of calories from all the fats
> and salt in their diet. People who are eggs usually had bacon or sausage
> with it, both high in salt and fat.

Slather the populace with governmental guidance on what´s good and bad.
Occasionally, reverse positions. To hell with genetics. There´s a
"nutrition" industry to support and graft to gather.
But that´s just me.

On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 00:01:32 -0700, Leo >
wrote:

>On 2021 Mar 28, , Dave Smith wrote
>(in article >):
>
>> They probably considered the diets of the people who had heart issues
>> and linked their diets and egg consumption to their coronary problems.
>> It may have been more about the number of calories from all the fats
>> and salt in their diet. People who are eggs usually had bacon or sausage
>> with it, both high in salt and fat.
>
>Slather the populace with governmental guidance on what´s good and bad.
>Occasionally, reverse positions. To hell with genetics. There´s a
>"nutrition" industry to support and graft to gather.
>But that´s just me.

I think that, unless you smoke, lifestyle is about 50% of it all. The
rest is genes and maybe luck.

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On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 3:01:37 AM UTC-4, Leo wrote:
> On 2021 Mar 28, , Dave Smith wrote
> (in article >):
> > They probably considered the diets of the people who had heart issues
> > and linked their diets and egg consumption to their coronary problems.
> > It may have been more about the number of calories from all the fats
> > and salt in their diet. People who are eggs usually had bacon or sausage
> > with it, both high in salt and fat.
> Slather the populace with governmental guidance on what´s good and bad.
> Occasionally, reverse positions. To hell with genetics. There´s a
> "nutrition" industry to support and graft to gather.
> But that´s just me.

And, hopefully no one else.

On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 00:01:32 -0700, Leo >
wrote:

>On 2021 Mar 28, , Dave Smith wrote
>(in article >):
>
>> They probably considered the diets of the people who had heart issues
>> and linked their diets and egg consumption to their coronary problems.
>> It may have been more about the number of calories from all the fats
>> and salt in their diet. People who are eggs usually had bacon or sausage
>> with it, both high in salt and fat.
>
>Slather the populace with governmental guidance on what´s good and bad.
>Occasionally, reverse positions. To hell with genetics. There´s a
>"nutrition" industry to support and graft to gather.
>But that´s just me.

Not just you and you nailed it. Especially on genetics. Most still
assume one size fits all when it comes to nutrition.

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On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 00:48:14 -0700 (PDT), bruce bowser
> wrote:

>On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 3:01:37 AM UTC-4, Leo wrote:
>> On 2021 Mar 28, , Dave Smith wrote
>> (in article >):
>> > They probably considered the diets of the people who had heart issues
>> > and linked their diets and egg consumption to their coronary problems.
>> > It may have been more about the number of calories from all the fats
>> > and salt in their diet. People who are eggs usually had bacon or sausage
>> > with it, both high in salt and fat.
>> Slather the populace with governmental guidance on what´s good and bad.
>> Occasionally, reverse positions. To hell with genetics. There´s a
>> "nutrition" industry to support and graft to gather.
>> But that´s just me.
>
>And, hopefully no one else.

Tell us how long have you had an interest in nutrition?

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On 2021 Mar 29, , Bruce wrote
(in article >):

> I think that, unless you smoke, lifestyle is about 50% of it all. The
> rest is genes and maybe luck.

I buy into that, however smoking is a lifestyle. The sudden toilet paper
shortage, here last year, really opened my eyes. When the supply chain
sputters for more than two months, people who are dependent on
pharmaceuticals will start to die in large numbers.
Those with better adapted genetics won´t...yet. Darwin and all. Everything
one thinks they know won´t mean squat during a true supply chain
crisis.

On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 01:35:11 -0700, Leo >
wrote:

>On 2021 Mar 29, , Bruce wrote
>(in article >):
>
>> I think that, unless you smoke, lifestyle is about 50% of it all. The
>> rest is genes and maybe luck.
>
>I buy into that, however smoking is a lifestyle.

Yes, but I think that if you smoke, your lifestyle might play a bigger
role than 50%. So many smoking men (especially) died young in the 70s
and 80s. I doubt that would have happened if they'd never smoked.

>The sudden toilet paper shortage, here last year, really opened my eyes. When the supply chain
>sputters for more than two months, people who are dependent on
>pharmaceuticals will start to die in large numbers.
>Those with better adapted genetics won´t...yet. Darwin and all. Everything
>one thinks they know won´t mean squat during a true supply chain
>crisis.

I doubt that we'll ever have a long term supply chain crisis.

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On 2021 Mar 29, , Bruce wrote
(in article >):

> I doubt that we'll ever have a long term supply chain crisis.

I hope you´re right. Then again, I´m a solipsist, so I don´t really
care. You may have five years until I check out.

On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 05:44:43 +1100, Bruce >
wrote:

>On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 11:06:00 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:
>
>>On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 1:49:49 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 07:55:35 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> >On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 7:40:57 AM UTC-4, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>> >> Is an incredibly interesting documentary about what we eat, mainly the
>>> >> wrong things, since the days of 'No more than 2 eggs per week and no
>>> >> more butter, eat margarine'
>>> >>
>>> >> It' s on Prime Video and about 1hr 45 mins long.
>>> >
>>> >You should investigate who paid for the "research" on which this documentary
>>> >is based.
>>> The butter industry?
>>
>>I can't find corroboration, but apparently the animal farming industry.
>>
>>Any time one of these things comes along, "follow the money" is good advice.
>
>Yes, maybe that's where the kooky "Saturated fat isn't bad for you
>after all!" movement comes from.

Everything they said seemed more than accurate, backed up with photos
of people walking streets prior to that and now, striking the level of
obesity now.

On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 06:23:36 +1100, Bruce >
wrote:

>On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 11:35:06 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:
>
>>On 2021-03-28 11:20 a.m., jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 3/28/2021 10:55 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>>> I think we've all managed to watch documentaries about food history and
>>> what was considered good and bad for us at one time or another.
>>>
>>> I remember my mother being told in the mid 1980's not to eat eggs
>>> because of cholesterol.* It was later proved eggs didn't really have
>>> anything to do with it.
>>
>>They probably considered the diets of the people who had heart issues
>>and linked their diets and egg consumption to their coronary problems.
>> It may have been more about the number of calories from all the fats
>>and salt in their diet. People who are eggs usually had bacon or sausage
>>with it, both high in salt and fat.
>
>Not a single word about refined carbs and sugars. No distinction
>between good and bad fats. You should at least find a second opinion
>about this, and not simply assume all medical specialists keep
>themselves up to date or even agree with each other.

You clearly have NOT seen it!

On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 00:01:32 -0700, Leo >
wrote:

>On 2021 Mar 28, , Dave Smith wrote
>(in article >):
>
>> They probably considered the diets of the people who had heart issues
>> and linked their diets and egg consumption to their coronary problems.
>> It may have been more about the number of calories from all the fats
>> and salt in their diet. People who are eggs usually had bacon or sausage
>> with it, both high in salt and fat.
>
>Slather the populace with governmental guidance on what´s good and bad.
>Occasionally, reverse positions. To hell with genetics. There´s a
>"nutrition" industry to support and graft to gather.
>But that´s just me.
>
They explained how the 2 eggs/margarine theory came about, assisted by
huge amounts of money that created the American Heart Assoc. so that
is why they have never spoken against it.

Increasingly type 2 Diabetes was taking over and they have now shown
that jettisoning that old theory is starting to decrease the number of
type 2 that need insulin anymore, bonus side effect of staying away
from carbs was weight loss as well.

On 29/03/2021 11:13, Bruce wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 01:35:11 -0700, Leo >
> wrote:
>
>> On 2021 Mar 29, , Bruce wrote
>> (in article >):
>>
>>> I think that, unless you smoke, lifestyle is about 50% of it all. The
>>> rest is genes and maybe luck.
>>
>> I buy into that, however smoking is a lifestyle.
>
> Yes, but I think that if you smoke, your lifestyle might play a bigger
> role than 50%. So many smoking men (especially) died young in the 70s
> and 80s. I doubt that would have happened if they'd never smoked.
>
>> The sudden toilet paper shortage, here last year, really opened my eyes. When the supply chain
>> sputters for more than two months, people who are dependent on
>> pharmaceuticals will start to die in large numbers.
>> Those with better adapted genetics won´t...yet. Darwin and all. Everything
>> one thinks they know won´t mean squat during a true supply chain
>> crisis.
>
> I doubt that we'll ever have a long term supply chain crisis.
>

====

The Suez Canal problem will cause problems!

On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 7:48:15 AM UTC-4, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 05:44:43 +1100, Bruce >
> wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 11:06:00 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
> >
> >>On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 1:49:49 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 07:55:35 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> >>> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 7:40:57 AM UTC-4, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> >>> >> Is an incredibly interesting documentary about what we eat, mainly the
> >>> >> wrong things, since the days of 'No more than 2 eggs per week and no
> >>> >> more butter, eat margarine'
> >>> >>
> >>> >> It' s on Prime Video and about 1hr 45 mins long.
> >>> >
> >>> >You should investigate who paid for the "research" on which this documentary
> >>> >is based.
> >>> The butter industry?
> >>
> >>I can't find corroboration, but apparently the animal farming industry.
> >>
> >>Any time one of these things comes along, "follow the money" is good advice.
> >
> >Yes, maybe that's where the kooky "Saturated fat isn't bad for you
> >after all!" movement comes from.
> Everything they said seemed more than accurate,

Based on your extensive scientific research background?

> backed up with photos
> of people walking streets prior to that and now, striking the level of
> obesity now.

Photos are anecdotes, not data.

Since agriculture took off as a way to reliably put more food into hungry
bellies, most people have eaten a lot of carbohydrates, and they have
always sought to refine those carbohydrates. Perhaps the modern problem
with obesity isn't just one thing. Perhaps it's the plain and simple fact that
we are not evolved to have an abundance of available calories at the
expense of very little effort.

Mark Hyman and Nina Teicholz might be right, but Hyman has no credentials
as a researcher and Teicholz is a journalist. They have found a way to monetize
their fringe medical beliefs.

Cindy Hamilton

On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 08:49:22 -0300, Lucretia Borgia
> wrote:

>On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 06:23:36 +1100, Bruce >
>wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 11:35:06 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:
>>
>>>On 2021-03-28 11:20 a.m., jmcquown wrote:
>>>> On 3/28/2021 10:55 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think we've all managed to watch documentaries about food history and
>>>> what was considered good and bad for us at one time or another.
>>>>
>>>> I remember my mother being told in the mid 1980's not to eat eggs
>>>> because of cholesterol.Â* It was later proved eggs didn't really have
>>>> anything to do with it.
>>>
>>>They probably considered the diets of the people who had heart issues
>>>and linked their diets and egg consumption to their coronary problems.
>>> It may have been more about the number of calories from all the fats
>>>and salt in their diet. People who are eggs usually had bacon or sausage
>>>with it, both high in salt and fat.
>>
>>Not a single word about refined carbs and sugars. No distinction
>>between good and bad fats. You should at least find a second opinion
>>about this, and not simply assume all medical specialists keep
>>themselves up to date or even agree with each other.
>
>You clearly have NOT seen it!

Are you surprised? That was a troll.

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On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 08:49:22 -0300, Lucretia Borgia
> wrote:

>On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 06:23:36 +1100, Bruce >
>wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 11:35:06 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:
>>
>>>On 2021-03-28 11:20 a.m., jmcquown wrote:
>>>> On 3/28/2021 10:55 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think we've all managed to watch documentaries about food history and
>>>> what was considered good and bad for us at one time or another.
>>>>
>>>> I remember my mother being told in the mid 1980's not to eat eggs
>>>> because of cholesterol.* It was later proved eggs didn't really have
>>>> anything to do with it.
>>>
>>>They probably considered the diets of the people who had heart issues
>>>and linked their diets and egg consumption to their coronary problems.
>>> It may have been more about the number of calories from all the fats
>>>and salt in their diet. People who are eggs usually had bacon or sausage
>>>with it, both high in salt and fat.
>>
>>Not a single word about refined carbs and sugars. No distinction
>>between good and bad fats. You should at least find a second opinion
>>about this, and not simply assume all medical specialists keep
>>themselves up to date or even agree with each other.
>
>You clearly have NOT seen it!

Yeah........... carbs GOOD. Fat is BAD, right? LOL.


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On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 16:18:43 +0100, Ophelia >
wrote:

>On 29/03/2021 11:13, Bruce wrote:
>> On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 01:35:11 -0700, Leo >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2021 Mar 29, , Bruce wrote
>>> (in article >):
>>>
>>>> I think that, unless you smoke, lifestyle is about 50% of it all. The
>>>> rest is genes and maybe luck.
>>>
>>> I buy into that, however smoking is a lifestyle.
>>
>> Yes, but I think that if you smoke, your lifestyle might play a bigger
>> role than 50%. So many smoking men (especially) died young in the 70s
>> and 80s. I doubt that would have happened if they'd never smoked.
>>
>>> The sudden toilet paper shortage, here last year, really opened my eyes. When the supply chain
>>> sputters for more than two months, people who are dependent on
>>> pharmaceuticals will start to die in large numbers.
>>> Those with better adapted genetics won´t...yet. Darwin and all. Everything
>>> one thinks they know won´t mean squat during a true supply chain
>>> crisis.
>>
>> I doubt that we'll ever have a long term supply chain crisis.
>>
>
>====
>
> The Suez Canal problem will cause problems!

A problem that will cause problems? Hmm. What an odd thing to happen.

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On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 08:48:07 -0300, Lucretia Borgia
> wrote:

>On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 05:44:43 +1100, Bruce >
>wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 11:06:00 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 1:49:49 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 07:55:35 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 7:40:57 AM UTC-4, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>>> >> Is an incredibly interesting documentary about what we eat, mainly the
>>>> >> wrong things, since the days of 'No more than 2 eggs per week and no
>>>> >> more butter, eat margarine'
>>>> >>
>>>> >> It' s on Prime Video and about 1hr 45 mins long.
>>>> >
>>>> >You should investigate who paid for the "research" on which this documentary
>>>> >is based.
>>>> The butter industry?
>>>
>>>I can't find corroboration, but apparently the animal farming industry.
>>>
>>>Any time one of these things comes along, "follow the money" is good advice.
>>
>>Yes, maybe that's where the kooky "Saturated fat isn't bad for you
>>after all!" movement comes from.

A 'movement' with employed and respected qualified medical
specialists, too. Not that it's a 'movement', it's just based on
evidence.

>Everything they said seemed more than accurate, backed up with photos
>of people walking streets prior to that and now, striking the level of
>obesity now.

Well, duh. Look at past common diets anywhere in the world (ignoring
famines) and the lesson is always the same.


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On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 10:09:58 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 7:48:15 AM UTC-4, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>> On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 05:44:43 +1100, Bruce >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 11:06:00 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 1:49:49 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> >>> On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 07:55:35 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> >>> > wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> >On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 7:40:57 AM UTC-4, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>> >>> >> Is an incredibly interesting documentary about what we eat, mainly the
>> >>> >> wrong things, since the days of 'No more than 2 eggs per week and no
>> >>> >> more butter, eat margarine'
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> It' s on Prime Video and about 1hr 45 mins long.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >You should investigate who paid for the "research" on which this documentary
>> >>> >is based.
>> >>> The butter industry?
>> >>
>> >>I can't find corroboration, but apparently the animal farming industry.
>> >>
>> >>Any time one of these things comes along, "follow the money" is good advice.
>> >
>> >Yes, maybe that's where the kooky "Saturated fat isn't bad for you
>> >after all!" movement comes from.
>> Everything they said seemed more than accurate,
>
>Based on your extensive scientific research background?
>
>> backed up with photos
>> of people walking streets prior to that and now, striking the level of
>> obesity now.
>
>Photos are anecdotes, not data.
>
>Since agriculture took off as a way to reliably put more food into hungry
>bellies, most people have eaten a lot of carbohydrates, and they have
>always sought to refine those carbohydrates. Perhaps the modern problem
>with obesity isn't just one thing. Perhaps it's the plain and simple fact that
>we are not evolved to have an abundance of available calories at the
>expense of very little effort.

"Based on your extensive scientific research background?" Just saying
;-)


You just disqualified yourself by implying 'calories' are all the
same, regardless of the type or source.


>Mark Hyman and Nina Teicholz might be right, but Hyman has no credentials
>as a researcher and Teicholz is a journalist. They have found a way to monetize
>their fringe medical beliefs.


Jesus Christ. It's been long established now, since circa 2012 I
think, (including by some US government. authorities) that saturated
fats are not harmful (in sensible quantities) and refined carbs are
problematic.

I dont know nor care who Mark Hyman and Nina Teicholz are either.


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On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 4:22:34 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 10:09:58 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> >On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 7:48:15 AM UTC-4, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> >> On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 05:44:43 +1100, Bruce >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 11:06:00 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 1:49:49 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> >> >>> On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 07:55:35 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> >> >>> > wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> >On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 7:40:57 AM UTC-4, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> >> >>> >> Is an incredibly interesting documentary about what we eat, mainly the
> >> >>> >> wrong things, since the days of 'No more than 2 eggs per week and no
> >> >>> >> more butter, eat margarine'
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> It' s on Prime Video and about 1hr 45 mins long.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >You should investigate who paid for the "research" on which this documentary
> >> >>> >is based.
> >> >>> The butter industry?
> >> >>
> >> >>I can't find corroboration, but apparently the animal farming industry.
> >> >>
> >> >>Any time one of these things comes along, "follow the money" is good advice.
> >> >
> >> >Yes, maybe that's where the kooky "Saturated fat isn't bad for you
> >> >after all!" movement comes from.
> >> Everything they said seemed more than accurate,
> >
> >Based on your extensive scientific research background?
> >
> >> backed up with photos
> >> of people walking streets prior to that and now, striking the level of
> >> obesity now.
> >
> >Photos are anecdotes, not data.
> >
> >Since agriculture took off as a way to reliably put more food into hungry
> >bellies, most people have eaten a lot of carbohydrates, and they have
> >always sought to refine those carbohydrates. Perhaps the modern problem
> >with obesity isn't just one thing. Perhaps it's the plain and simple fact that
> >we are not evolved to have an abundance of available calories at the
> >expense of very little effort.
> "Based on your extensive scientific research background?" Just saying
> ;-)
>
> You just disqualified yourself by implying 'calories' are all the
> same, regardless of the type or source.

It depends what you're looking at. If it's obesity, then there isn't a lot
of difference. Although the body reacts somewhat differently to carbs
versus fats (and will adjust its metabolism), thermodynamics always wins.
If you eat more calories than you burn, you will gain weight.

If you're looking at serum cholesterol, then it looks like there is a difference.

Fine distinctions matter.

> >Mark Hyman and Nina Teicholz might be right, but Hyman has no credentials
> >as a researcher and Teicholz is a journalist. They have found a way to monetize
> >their fringe medical beliefs.
> Jesus Christ. It's been long established now, since circa 2012 I
> think, (including by some US government. authorities) that saturated
> fats are not harmful (in sensible quantities) and refined carbs are
> problematic.

What are "sensible quantities"? How problematic are refined carbs? If
a person eats white bread every day? Once a year? A pound of bacon
every day? I recall an anecdote where a woman was low-carbing and as
a dessert every evening she ate a quarter-pound of butter with cinnamon
kneaded into it (because carbs are evil and fat is ok). Needless to say,
her weight loss efforts did not go well.

> I dont know nor care who Mark Hyman and Nina Teicholz are either.

But anybody who watches the documentary should care enough to find
out who they are.

Cindy Hamilton

On 29/03/2021 21:12, Bruce wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 16:18:43 +0100, Ophelia >
> wrote:
>
>> On 29/03/2021 11:13, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 01:35:11 -0700, Leo >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2021 Mar 29, , Bruce wrote
>>>> (in article >):
>>>>
>>>>> I think that, unless you smoke, lifestyle is about 50% of it all. The
>>>>> rest is genes and maybe luck.
>>>>
>>>> I buy into that, however smoking is a lifestyle.
>>>
>>> Yes, but I think that if you smoke, your lifestyle might play a bigger
>>> role than 50%. So many smoking men (especially) died young in the 70s
>>> and 80s. I doubt that would have happened if they'd never smoked.
>>>
>>>> The sudden toilet paper shortage, here last year, really opened my eyes. When the supply chain
>>>> sputters for more than two months, people who are dependent on
>>>> pharmaceuticals will start to die in large numbers.
>>>> Those with better adapted genetics won´t...yet. Darwin and all. Everything
>>>> one thinks they know won´t mean squat during a true supply chain
>>>> crisis.
>>>
>>> I doubt that we'll ever have a long term supply chain crisis.
>>>
>>
>> ====
>>
>> The Suez Canal problem will cause problems!
>
> A problem that will cause problems? Hmm. What an odd thing to happen.


==
All sorted now!

On Tue, 30 Mar 2021 07:10:47 +1100, Bruce >
wrote:

>On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 08:49:22 -0300, Lucretia Borgia
> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 06:23:36 +1100, Bruce >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 11:35:06 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 2021-03-28 11:20 a.m., jmcquown wrote:
>>>>> On 3/28/2021 10:55 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think we've all managed to watch documentaries about food history and
>>>>> what was considered good and bad for us at one time or another.
>>>>>
>>>>> I remember my mother being told in the mid 1980's not to eat eggs
>>>>> because of cholesterol.* It was later proved eggs didn't really have
>>>>> anything to do with it.
>>>>
>>>>They probably considered the diets of the people who had heart issues
>>>>and linked their diets and egg consumption to their coronary problems.
>>>> It may have been more about the number of calories from all the fats
>>>>and salt in their diet. People who are eggs usually had bacon or sausage
>>>>with it, both high in salt and fat.
>>>
>>>Not a single word about refined carbs and sugars. No distinction
>>>between good and bad fats. You should at least find a second opinion
>>>about this, and not simply assume all medical specialists keep
>>>themselves up to date or even agree with each other.
>>
>>You clearly have NOT seen it!
>
>Yeah........... carbs GOOD. Fat is BAD, right? LOL.
Not at all.

John Kuthe wrote:
> On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 6:40:57 AM UTC-5, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>> Is an incredibly interesting documentary about what we eat, mainly the
>> wrong things, since the days of 'No more than 2 eggs per week and no
>> more butter, eat margarine'
>>
>> It' s on Prime Video and about 1hr 45 mins long.
> **** margarine! That's the one great thing Bryan turned me onto! Miss Butter! YUM!
>
> And eggs are possibly THE best animal food ever! Consider this: everything and I do mean EVERYTHING in an egg is sufficient for building exactly one baby Chick!
>
>
> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...

Not true, unless you eat fertilized eggs.

On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 4:35:25 PM UTC-4, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 4:22:34 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> > On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 10:09:58 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 7:48:15 AM UTC-4, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> > >> On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 05:44:43 +1100, Bruce >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 11:06:00 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >>On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 1:49:49 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> > >> >>> On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 07:55:35 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > >> >>> > wrote:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> >On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 7:40:57 AM UTC-4, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> > >> >>> >> Is an incredibly interesting documentary about what we eat, mainly the
> > >> >>> >> wrong things, since the days of 'No more than 2 eggs per week and no
> > >> >>> >> more butter, eat margarine'
> > >> >>> >>
> > >> >>> >> It' s on Prime Video and about 1hr 45 mins long.
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >You should investigate who paid for the "research" on which this documentary
> > >> >>> >is based.
> > >> >>> The butter industry?
> > >> >>
> > >> >>I can't find corroboration, but apparently the animal farming industry.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>Any time one of these things comes along, "follow the money" is good advice.
> > >> >
> > >> >Yes, maybe that's where the kooky "Saturated fat isn't bad for you
> > >> >after all!" movement comes from.
> > >> Everything they said seemed more than accurate,
> > >
> > >Based on your extensive scientific research background?
> > >
> > >> backed up with photos
> > >> of people walking streets prior to that and now, striking the level of
> > >> obesity now.
> > >
> > >Photos are anecdotes, not data.
> > >
> > >Since agriculture took off as a way to reliably put more food into hungry
> > >bellies, most people have eaten a lot of carbohydrates, and they have
> > >always sought to refine those carbohydrates. Perhaps the modern problem
> > >with obesity isn't just one thing. Perhaps it's the plain and simple fact that
> > >we are not evolved to have an abundance of available calories at the
> > >expense of very little effort.
> > "Based on your extensive scientific research background?" Just saying
> > ;-)
> >
> > You just disqualified yourself by implying 'calories' are all the
> > same, regardless of the type or source.
> It depends what you're looking at. If it's obesity, then there isn't a lot
> of difference. Although the body reacts somewhat differently to carbs
> versus fats (and will adjust its metabolism), thermodynamics always wins.
> If you eat more calories than you burn, you will gain weight.
>
> If you're looking at serum cholesterol, then it looks like there is a difference.
>
> Fine distinctions matter.
> > >Mark Hyman and Nina Teicholz might be right, but Hyman has no credentials
> > >as a researcher and Teicholz is a journalist. They have found a way to monetize
> > >their fringe medical beliefs.
> > Jesus Christ. It's been long established now, since circa 2012 I
> > think, (including by some US government. authorities) that saturated
> > fats are not harmful (in sensible quantities) and refined carbs are
> > problematic.
> What are "sensible quantities"? How problematic are refined carbs? If
> a person eats white bread every day? Once a year? A pound of bacon
> every day? I recall an anecdote where a woman was low-carbing and as
> a dessert every evening she ate a quarter-pound of butter with cinnamon
> kneaded into it (because carbs are evil and fat is ok). Needless to say,
> her weight loss efforts did not go well.
> > I dont know nor care who Mark Hyman and Nina Teicholz are either.
> But anybody who watches the documentary should care enough to find
> out who they are.

But, running laps around the local high school track is so much easier!