On 2021-04-12 4:24 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2021-04-12 6:01 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>
>> When I worked for a third party claims administration company that
>> handled Worker's Comp, Liability and Disability claims, there was a
>> case of a guy who claimed he'd hurt his back on the job.Â* His boss was
>> sure he was faking it and contacted the claims adjuster to dispute the
>> WC claim.Â* He knew this guy was seriously into Civil War Reenactments
>> and there was a big event coming up.Â* A photographer was sent out.
>> They got photos of this guy wearing a full military kit (heavy),
>> running around, falling down, rolling on the ground, jumping back up
>> and charging. There wasn't a darn thing wrong with his back and his
>> Worker's Comp claim was denied.Â* He also lost his job and if his
>> employer was smart - seems to have been - they would have also
>> disputed his claim for Unemployment.
>
> Sadly, there are guys like that. I worked with one. When another
> co-worker was off work for a few weeks with a back injury this guy
> decided that was something he could get away with.... and he did get
> away with it. He got some time off work and then came back on light duty
> and collected a partial disability on top of his salary. His disability
> did not prevent him from his job on the side.... rototilling lawns and
> gardens.
>
> Some of the left leaning political parties up here are pushing for more
> paid sick leave for workers to help the fight against Coid19. They say
> workers can't afford to stay home if they don't have paid sick time, so
> they will go to work sick and infect others.Â* Sounds good, but I have
> known way too many people who abused sick time.

There is always a small percentage of abusers so is it OK to penalise
all claimants?
At the other end of the scale, look at the large number of wealthy
individuals that dodge taxes.

On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 5:37:58 PM UTC-5, Graham wrote:
> On 2021-04-12 4:24 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
> > On 2021-04-12 6:01 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
> >
> >> When I worked for a third party claims administration company that
> >> handled Worker's Comp, Liability and Disability claims, there was a
> >> case of a guy who claimed he'd hurt his back on the job. His boss was
> >> sure he was faking it and contacted the claims adjuster to dispute the
> >> WC claim. He knew this guy was seriously into Civil War Reenactments
> >> and there was a big event coming up. A photographer was sent out.
> >> They got photos of this guy wearing a full military kit (heavy),
> >> running around, falling down, rolling on the ground, jumping back up
> >> and charging. There wasn't a darn thing wrong with his back and his
> >> Worker's Comp claim was denied. He also lost his job and if his
> >> employer was smart - seems to have been - they would have also
> >> disputed his claim for Unemployment.
> >
> > Sadly, there are guys like that. I worked with one. When another
> > co-worker was off work for a few weeks with a back injury this guy
> > decided that was something he could get away with.... and he did get
> > away with it. He got some time off work and then came back on light duty
> > and collected a partial disability on top of his salary. His disability
> > did not prevent him from his job on the side.... rototilling lawns and
> > gardens.
> >
> > Some of the left leaning political parties up here are pushing for more
> > paid sick leave for workers to help the fight against Coid19. They say
> > workers can't afford to stay home if they don't have paid sick time, so
> > they will go to work sick and infect others. Sounds good, but I have
> > known way too many people who abused sick time.
> There is always a small percentage of abusers so is it OK to penalise
> all claimants?
> At the other end of the scale, look at the large number of wealthy
> individuals that dodge taxes.


A witless "analogy", Graham but of course we expect no better from you...

Why don't you simply move to Cuba, everyone there is "equal" so that would be a "Paradise" for you...

:-P

--
Best
Greg

On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 5:37:58 PM UTC-5, Graham wrote:
> On 2021-04-12 4:24 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
> > On 2021-04-12 6:01 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
> >
> >> When I worked for a third party claims administration company that
> >> handled Worker's Comp, Liability and Disability claims, there was a
> >> case of a guy who claimed he'd hurt his back on the job. His boss was
> >> sure he was faking it and contacted the claims adjuster to dispute the
> >> WC claim. He knew this guy was seriously into Civil War Reenactments
> >> and there was a big event coming up. A photographer was sent out.
> >> They got photos of this guy wearing a full military kit (heavy),
> >> running around, falling down, rolling on the ground, jumping back up
> >> and charging. There wasn't a darn thing wrong with his back and his
> >> Worker's Comp claim was denied. He also lost his job and if his
> >> employer was smart - seems to have been - they would have also
> >> disputed his claim for Unemployment.
> >
> > Sadly, there are guys like that. I worked with one. When another
> > co-worker was off work for a few weeks with a back injury this guy
> > decided that was something he could get away with.... and he did get
> > away with it. He got some time off work and then came back on light duty
> > and collected a partial disability on top of his salary. His disability
> > did not prevent him from his job on the side.... rototilling lawns and
> > gardens.
> >
> > Some of the left leaning political parties up here are pushing for more
> > paid sick leave for workers to help the fight against Coid19. They say
> > workers can't afford to stay home if they don't have paid sick time, so
> > they will go to work sick and infect others. Sounds good, but I have
> > known way too many people who abused sick time.
> There is always a small percentage of abusers so is it OK to penalise
> all claimants?


Who said *anything* about "penalise [ing] all claimants", Graham...???

Kindly *do* read posts *fully* through *before* responding to them...!!!

That way you might look a *wee* bit less foolish...

:-P

--
Best
Greg

On 4/12/2021 6:24 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2021-04-12 6:01 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>
>> When I worked for a third party claims administration company that
>> handled Worker's Comp, Liability and Disability claims, there was a
>> case of a guy who claimed he'd hurt his back on the job.Â* His boss was
>> sure he was faking it and contacted the claims adjuster to dispute the
>> WC claim.Â* He knew this guy was seriously into Civil War Reenactments
>> and there was a big event coming up.Â* A photographer was sent out.
>> They got photos of this guy wearing a full military kit (heavy),
>> running around, falling down, rolling on the ground, jumping back up
>> and charging. There wasn't a darn thing wrong with his back and his
>> Worker's Comp claim was denied.Â* He also lost his job and if his
>> employer was smart - seems to have been - they would have also
>> disputed his claim for Unemployment.
>
> Sadly, there are guys like that. I worked with one. When another
> co-worker was off work for a few weeks with a back injury this guy
> decided that was something he could get away with.... and he did get
> away with it. He got some time off work and then came back on light duty
> and collected a partial disability on top of his salary. His disability
> did not prevent him from his job on the side.... rototilling lawns and
> gardens.
>
Yeah, there was another woman on her employer-sponsored Long Term
Disability who claimed a back injury. Another questionable claim,
another investigation. Photos of her hauling a mattress out of the back
of a pickup truck and into her house. But oh my aching back! LOL I
love it when they get caught.

> Some of the left leaning political parties up here are pushing for more
> paid sick leave for workers to help the fight against Coid19. They say
> workers can't afford to stay home if they don't have paid sick time, so
> they will go to work sick and infect others.Â* Sounds good, but I have
> known way too many people who abused sick time.

I don't really know the solution to that last paragraph. Covid-19 has
changed everything. Abuse of sick time has *always* been an issue.
IMHO, some jobs already offered paid sick time, others didn't. Depends
on the job, the number of hours worked, etc.

Now there's a pandemic and people need to work and get paid. Some folks
have had bills deferred or have been struggling to pay them due to
meager savings and shutdown conditions. So they might need that boost
if they're actually sick (there *are* other illnesses other than Covid-19).

It's a conundrum because I can see both sides. How is the employer
supposed to know if it's a legit "I'm sick call?" They can't know. So
sure, some lazy folks would try to scam. But then they always did.
I've worked with plenty of people like that. Phone call: "Susie was
sneezing yesterday and I think I caught something from her." "Oh, okay.
Susie's here and she's fine. She's allergic to pollen; she took a
pill." "Oh." Yeah, oh. Don't think people don't notice. That's the
Catch-22 in a nutshell to mandating paid sick leave right now. I don't
have an answer.

Jill

On 4/12/2021 6:37 PM, Graham wrote:
> On 2021-04-12 4:24 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2021-04-12 6:01 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>> When I worked for a third party claims administration company that
>>> handled Worker's Comp, Liability and Disability claims, there was a
>>> case of a guy who claimed he'd hurt his back on the job.Â* His boss
>>> was sure he was faking it and contacted the claims adjuster to
>>> dispute the WC claim.Â* He knew this guy was seriously into Civil War
>>> Reenactments and there was a big event coming up.Â* A photographer was
>>> sent out. They got photos of this guy wearing a full military kit
>>> (heavy), running around, falling down, rolling on the ground, jumping
>>> back up and charging. There wasn't a darn thing wrong with his back
>>> and his Worker's Comp claim was denied.Â* He also lost his job and if
>>> his employer was smart - seems to have been - they would have also
>>> disputed his claim for Unemployment.
>>
>> Sadly, there are guys like that. I worked with one. When another
>> co-worker was off work for a few weeks with a back injury this guy
>> decided that was something he could get away with.... and he did get
>> away with it. He got some time off work and then came back on light
>> duty and collected a partial disability on top of his salary. His
>> disability did not prevent him from his job on the side....
>> rototilling lawns and gardens.
>>
>> Some of the left leaning political parties up here are pushing for
>> more paid sick leave for workers to help the fight against Coid19.
>> They say workers can't afford to stay home if they don't have paid
>> sick time, so they will go to work sick and infect others.Â* Sounds
>> good, but I have known way too many people who abused sick time.
>
> There is always a small percentage of abusers so is it OK to penalise
> all claimants?
> At the other end of the scale, look at the large number of wealthy
> individuals that dodge taxes.

I don't think anyone was saying penalize all claimaints. I know I
wasn't saying that. I do think Covid-19 has created a very unusual
situation where there might be more opportunity for unscrupulous people
to at least try to scam the system. They've always been out there, just
like the wealthy have always been dodging taxes.

Jill

Gary wrote:

> On 4/11/2021 3:05 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> > On 4/11/2021 2:34 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> > > On 2021-04-11 2:10 p.m., S Viemeister wrote:
> > > > On 11/04/2021 16:19, Graham wrote:
> > > > > On 2021-04-11 6:17 a.m., Mike Duffy wrote:
> > > > > > On Sun, 11 Apr 2021 05:02:42 -0700, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > It's going to be a very busy spring and summer.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > They send money to everyone, & not just those who need it?
> > > > > > That sounds a
> > > > > > lot like communism to me.
> > > > > >
> > > > > Then I suggest that you read up on the subject.
> > > >
> > > > 'From each according to his abilities, to each according to his
> > > > needs'. I'm sure I remember reading something like that...
> > >
> > > That was Marx. I can go along with that to some degree. I believe
> > > that there is a need for rewards for performance. I have issues
> > > with abuse of the system. I understand that he need to have a
> > > welfare system to take care of those who are in need of
> > > assistance. I don't think that it should be permanent situation
> > > for the able bodied. If there is work and they won't do it they
> > > don't deserve help. They are just plain lazy and other people
> > > should not have to work to pay for their support.
> > >
> > Then you get into the whole can of worms where the cycle never ends.
> > People living on government assistance continue to have babies but
> > never work. Those children get to be teens who get pregnant or
> > impregnate and round and round it goes. That's abuse.
> >
> > I received "food stamps" for a brief time after losing a job decades
> > ago. One of the conditions was I had to keep applying for work and
> > I couldn't turn down work if it was something I was physically
> > capable of doing.
> >
> > About that time there was a regular poster here who tried to talk me
> > into applying for Social Security Disability Income benefits. She
> > said it was dead easy to game the system. Just claim I have a
> > physical condition that can't easily be detected, like a soft
> > tissue neck or back injury, and I'd be home free. Uh, no. (Some
> > of the long-term RFC'rs might be able to glean who suggested I do
> > that.)
>
> Sadly, where ever there is free anything, many people do take
> advantage of it. I've known a few people that get SS Disability
> payments and they are faking it.
>
> They ask for a job but then say they need to get paid in cash (off
> the record) so they don't lose their disability checks.
>
> This discussion always brings me back to Carol here. She's retired
> military, also gets disability checks each month yet she has a new
> job that pays her over $100K per year. I see something very wrong
> about that.
>
> Don't blame her for it...I blame the system that somehow allows that.
> That's not what it was set up for.

Sadly, I had to buy myself a wheelchair recently. Sometimes I have to
travel a distance and can no longer do that. Fortunately I was able to
find an office job and will only need it sometimes currently. That per
the spine doctor, will shift slowly over the years.

I will have to spring for a walk-in tub before too much longer. These
things are expensive and are all out of pocket and not tax deductable.

I wish you contunued good health, Gary. You don't know what a blessing
it is until it's gone.

Gary wrote:

> On 4/11/2021 3:03 PM, Dr. Bruce wrote:
> > Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >
> > > On 4/11/2021 2:30 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, April 11, 2021 at 2:10:07 PM UTC-4, S Viemeister
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > On 11/04/2021 16:19, Graham wrote:
> > > > > > On 2021-04-11 6:17 a.m., Mike Duffy wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sun, 11 Apr 2021 05:02:42 -0700, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It's going to be a very busy spring and summer.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > They send money to everyone, & not just those who need it?
> > > > > > > That sounds a lot like communism to me.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > Then I suggest that you read up on the subject.
> > > > > 'From each according to his abilities, to each according to
> > > > > his needs'. I'm sure I remember reading something like
> > > > > that...
> > > >
> > > > Then this definitely isn't communism.
> > > >
> > > > Isn't there also something about ownership of the means of
> > > > production?
> > > >
> > > > Cindy Hamilton
> > > >
> > >
> > > Many people that did not really need the money gave to charities,
> > > food banks, and the like to help others.
> >
> > Or so you like to think.
> >
> Yes, that's probably a joke.

Actually, that's what I did with the second one. I had the final
touches done to the wheelchair ramp we built Maria. Cost was just shy
of Don and my combined payment.

All of my stimulus payments went out to local handymen/craftsmen except
paid off Charlie's bills because his freelance work has been severely
depressed during COVID and he has nothing to fall back on. Lets just
let it ride that I always have some project or other going on.

Now, nuff said and lets talk about something else?

On 2021-04-12 7:37 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
> On 4/12/2021 6:24 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

>> Sadly, there are guys like that. I worked with one. When another
>> co-worker was off work for a few weeks with a back injury this guy
>> decided that was something he could get away with.... and he did get
>> away with it. He got some time off work and then came back on light
>> duty and collected a partial disability on top of his salary. His
>> disability did not prevent him from his job on the side....
>> rototilling lawns and gardens.
>>
> Yeah, there was another woman on her employer-sponsored Long Term
> Disability who claimed a back injury.Â* Another questionable claim,
> another investigation.Â* Photos of her hauling a mattress out of the back
> of a pickup truck and into her house.Â* But oh my aching back! LOLÂ* I
> love it when they get caught.
>


There was another guy I worked with who was on light duty because he had
fibromyalgia. When he showed up for work he spend an hour or two
sleeping... too much pain to work. One Monday he came in all bruised
and especially sore. He had been helping a friend with a concrete job
and the power trowel got away from him. Too much pain to do his
clerical job Monday to Friday but on Saturday he could do heavy
construction work.



> It's a conundrum because I can see both sides.Â* How is the employer
> supposed to know if it's a legit "I'm sick call?"Â* They can't know.Â* So
> sure, some lazy folks would try to scam.Â* But then they always did. I've
> worked with plenty of people like that.Â* Phone call: "Susie was sneezing
> yesterday and I think I caught something from her."Â* "Oh, okay. Susie's
> here and she's fine.Â* She's allergic to pollen; she took a pill."
> "Oh."Â* Yeah, oh.Â* Don't think people don't notice.Â* That's the Catch-22
> in a nutshell to mandating paid sick leave right now.Â* I don't have an
> answer.


There are always pikers who will abuse benefits. They should not have to
come in if they are legitimately sick. They cannot be expected to
perform well. There is always the risk of them infecting others. One
coworker was notorious for using up all his sick leave by the end of
March. Then he would use his vacation time, and when that was used up he
would take unpaid time off. Then when he had used up everything and
could not afford anymore unpaid leave he would come to work sick.




--
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus

jmcquown wrote:

> On 4/12/2021 6:24 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> > On 2021-04-12 6:01 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
> >
> > > When I worked for a third party claims administration company
> > > that handled Worker's Comp, Liability and Disability claims,
> > > there was a case of a guy who claimed he'd hurt his back on the
> > > job.Â* His boss was sure he was faking it and contacted the
> > > claims adjuster to dispute the WC claim.Â* He knew this guy was
> > > seriously into Civil War Reenactments and there was a big event
> > > coming up.Â* A photographer was sent out. They got photos of
> > > this guy wearing a full military kit (heavy), running around,
> > > falling down, rolling on the ground, jumping back up and
> > > charging. There wasn't a darn thing wrong with his back and his
> > > Worker's Comp claim was denied.Â* He also lost his job and if his
> > > employer was smart - seems to have been - they would have also
> > > disputed his claim for Unemployment.
> >
> > Sadly, there are guys like that. I worked with one. When another
> > co-worker was off work for a few weeks with a back injury this guy
> > decided that was something he could get away with.... and he did
> > get away with it. He got some time off work and then came back on
> > light duty and collected a partial disability on top of his
> > salary. His disability did not prevent him from his job on the
> > side.... rototilling lawns and gardens.
> >
> Yeah, there was another woman on her employer-sponsored Long Term
> Disability who claimed a back injury. Another questionable claim,
> another investigation. Photos of her hauling a mattress out of the
> back of a pickup truck and into her house. But oh my aching back!
> LOL I love it when they get caught.
>
> > Some of the left leaning political parties up here are pushing for
> > more paid sick leave for workers to help the fight against Coid19.
> > They say workers can't afford to stay home if they don't have paid
> > sick time, so they will go to work sick and infect others.Â* Sounds
> > good, but I have known way too many people who abused sick time.
>
> I don't really know the solution to that last paragraph. Covid-19
> has changed everything. Abuse of sick time has always been an issue.
> IMHO, some jobs already offered paid sick time, others didn't.
> Depends on the job, the number of hours worked, etc.
>
> Now there's a pandemic and people need to work and get paid. Some
> folks have had bills deferred or have been struggling to pay them due
> to meager savings and shutdown conditions. So they might need that
> boost if they're actually sick (there are other illnesses other than
> Covid-19).
>
> It's a conundrum because I can see both sides. How is the employer
> supposed to know if it's a legit "I'm sick call?" They can't know.
> So sure, some lazy folks would try to scam. But then they always
> did. I've worked with plenty of people like that. Phone call: "Susie
> was sneezing yesterday and I think I caught something from her."
> "Oh, okay. Susie's here and she's fine. She's allergic to pollen;
> she took a pill." "Oh." Yeah, oh. Don't think people don't notice.
> That's the Catch-22 in a nutshell to mandating paid sick leave right
> now. I don't have an answer.
>
> Jill

When I was a contractor, sick time and leave time were the same. You
got x number of hours per pay period depending on how long you had
worked there. I got about 20 days a year most of the time, later was
closer to 25 (over 8 years with the company).

Dave Smith wrote:

> On 2021-04-12 7:37 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
> > On 4/12/2021 6:24 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> > > Sadly, there are guys like that. I worked with one. When another
> > > co-worker was off work for a few weeks with a back injury this
> > > guy decided that was something he could get away with.... and he
> > > did get away with it. He got some time off work and then came
> > > back on light duty and collected a partial disability on top of
> > > his salary. His disability did not prevent him from his job on
> > > the side.... rototilling lawns and gardens.
> > >
> > Yeah, there was another woman on her employer-sponsored Long Term
> > Disability who claimed a back injury.Â* Another questionable claim,
> > another investigation.Â* Photos of her hauling a mattress out of the
> > back of a pickup truck and into her house.Â* But oh my aching back!
> > LOLÂ* I love it when they get caught.
> >
>
>
> There was another guy I worked with who was on light duty because he
> had fibromyalgia. When he showed up for work he spend an hour or two
> sleeping... too much pain to work. One Monday he came in all bruised
> and especially sore. He had been helping a friend with a concrete job
> and the power trowel got away from him. Too much pain to do his
> clerical job Monday to Friday but on Saturday he could do heavy
> construction work.
>
>
>
> > It's a conundrum because I can see both sides.Â* How is the employer
> > supposed to know if it's a legit "I'm sick call?"Â* They can't
> > know.Â* So sure, some lazy folks would try to scam.Â* But then they
> > always did. I've worked with plenty of people like that.Â* Phone
> > call: "Susie was sneezing yesterday and I think I caught something
> > from her."Â* "Oh, okay. Susie's here and she's fine.Â* She's
> > allergic to pollen; she took a pill." "Oh."Â* Yeah, oh.Â* Don't
> > think people don't notice.Â* That's the Catch-22 in a nutshell to
> > mandating paid sick leave right now.Â* I don't have an answer.
>
>
> There are always pikers who will abuse benefits. They should not have
> to come in if they are legitimately sick. They cannot be expected to
> perform well. There is always the risk of them infecting others. One
> coworker was notorious for using up all his sick leave by the end of
> March. Then he would use his vacation time, and when that was used up
> he would take unpaid time off. Then when he had used up everything
> and could not afford anymore unpaid leave he would come to work sick.

I have to admit, folks I work around don't abuse it at all but the boss
is very generous in leeway when out of sick leave.

Steve's wife died of metastatic cancer Xmas timeframe, 2019. They
listed him as 'working from home' for a long time (and he did work
some). The rest of us took up the slack and were fine with the extra
work. It was the right thing to do.

On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 9:15:32 PM UTC-5, cshenk wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>
> > On 2021-04-12 7:37 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
> > > On 4/12/2021 6:24 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> >
> > > > Sadly, there are guys like that. I worked with one. When another
> > > > co-worker was off work for a few weeks with a back injury this
> > > > guy decided that was something he could get away with.... and he
> > > > did get away with it. He got some time off work and then came
> > > > back on light duty and collected a partial disability on top of
> > > > his salary. His disability did not prevent him from his job on
> > > > the side.... rototilling lawns and gardens.
> > > >
> > > Yeah, there was another woman on her employer-sponsored Long Term
> > > Disability who claimed a back injury. Another questionable claim,
> > > another investigation. Photos of her hauling a mattress out of the
> > > back of a pickup truck and into her house. But oh my aching back!
> > > LOL I love it when they get caught.
> > >
> >
> >
> > There was another guy I worked with who was on light duty because he
> > had fibromyalgia. When he showed up for work he spend an hour or two
> > sleeping... too much pain to work. One Monday he came in all bruised
> > and especially sore. He had been helping a friend with a concrete job
> > and the power trowel got away from him. Too much pain to do his
> > clerical job Monday to Friday but on Saturday he could do heavy
> > construction work.
> >
> >
> >
> > > It's a conundrum because I can see both sides. How is the employer
> > > supposed to know if it's a legit "I'm sick call?" They can't
> > > know. So sure, some lazy folks would try to scam. But then they
> > > always did. I've worked with plenty of people like that. Phone
> > > call: "Susie was sneezing yesterday and I think I caught something
> > > from her." "Oh, okay. Susie's here and she's fine. She's
> > > allergic to pollen; she took a pill." "Oh." Yeah, oh. Don't
> > > think people don't notice. That's the Catch-22 in a nutshell to
> > > mandating paid sick leave right now. I don't have an answer.
> >
> >
> > There are always pikers who will abuse benefits. They should not have
> > to come in if they are legitimately sick. They cannot be expected to
> > perform well. There is always the risk of them infecting others. One
> > coworker was notorious for using up all his sick leave by the end of
> > March. Then he would use his vacation time, and when that was used up
> > he would take unpaid time off. Then when he had used up everything
> > and could not afford anymore unpaid leave he would come to work sick.
> I have to admit, folks I work around don't abuse it at all but the boss
> is very generous in leeway when out of sick leave.
>
> Steve's wife died of metastatic cancer Xmas timeframe, 2019. They
> listed him as 'working from home' for a long time (and he did work
> some). The rest of us took up the slack and were fine with the extra
> work. It was the right thing to do.


Steve *Wertz*...???

--
Best
Greg

On Sun, 11 Apr 2021 14:51:51 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> Many people that did not really need the money gave to charities, food
> banks, and the like to help others.

I gave a majority of the first and second checks to the Chinese.
Much of it brokered by Amazon and the Asian supermarket.

-sw

On 4/12/2021 8:35 PM, cshenk wrote:


>
> Sadly, I had to buy myself a wheelchair recently. Sometimes I have to
> travel a distance and can no longer do that. Fortunately I was able to
> find an office job and will only need it sometimes currently. That per
> the spine doctor, will shift slowly over the years.
>
> I will have to spring for a walk-in tub before too much longer. These
> things are expensive and are all out of pocket and not tax deductable.
>
> I wish you contunued good health, Gary. You don't know what a blessing
> it is until it's gone.
>

Understand. I used to like walking but can do little now.

Walk in tubs are nice if you really want a tub. I took the tub out and
put in a nice large shower instead. To step in it is only about 2" and
you can have a seat. Since it replaced the tub, it is 60" and big
enough that I could shower with my wife to assist her in the seat.

If you like to sit in a tub and relax, the walk in may be a good choice
but if you just want to get clean, the shower may be more suitable.

On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 7:36:01 PM UTC-5, cshenk wrote:
>
> I will have to spring for a walk-in tub before too much longer. These
> things are expensive and are all out of pocket and not tax deductable.
>
PLEASE research all companies and prices before you buy one of these
and have it installed. The prices are all over the spectrum. I had one installed
in my remodeled bathroom 3 1/2 years ago and am extremely pleased with it.

On 2021-04-12 10:23 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Understand.Â* I used to like walking but can do little now.
>
> Walk in tubs are nice if you really want a tub.Â* I took the tub out and
> put in a nice large shower instead.Â* To step in it is only about 2" and
> you can have a seat.Â* Since it replaced the tub, it is 60" and big
> enough that I could shower with my wife to assist her in the seat.
>
> If you like to sit in a tub and relax, the walk in may be a good choice
> but if you just want to get clean, the shower may be more suitable.

Showers are nice, but once in a while I like to soak in a nice hot tub.

--
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus

In article >, says...
>
> On 4/12/2021 6:37 PM, Graham wrote:
> > On 2021-04-12 4:24 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
> >> On 2021-04-12 6:01 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
> >>
> >>> When I worked for a third party claims administration company that
> >>> handled Worker's Comp, Liability and Disability claims, there was a
> >>> case of a guy who claimed he'd hurt his back on the job.* His boss
> >>> was sure he was faking it and contacted the claims adjuster to
> >>> dispute the WC claim.* He knew this guy was seriously into Civil War
> >>> Reenactments and there was a big event coming up.* A photographer was
> >>> sent out. They got photos of this guy wearing a full military kit
> >>> (heavy), running around, falling down, rolling on the ground, jumping
> >>> back up and charging. There wasn't a darn thing wrong with his back
> >>> and his Worker's Comp claim was denied.* He also lost his job and if
> >>> his employer was smart - seems to have been - they would have also
> >>> disputed his claim for Unemployment.
> >>
> >> Sadly, there are guys like that. I worked with one. When another
> >> co-worker was off work for a few weeks with a back injury this guy
> >> decided that was something he could get away with.... and he did get
> >> away with it. He got some time off work and then came back on light
> >> duty and collected a partial disability on top of his salary. His
> >> disability did not prevent him from his job on the side....
> >> rototilling lawns and gardens.
> >>
> >> Some of the left leaning political parties up here are pushing for
> >> more paid sick leave for workers to help the fight against Coid19.
> >> They say workers can't afford to stay home if they don't have paid
> >> sick time, so they will go to work sick and infect others.* Sounds
> >> good, but I have known way too many people who abused sick time.
> >
> > There is always a small percentage of abusers so is it OK to penalise
> > all claimants?
> > At the other end of the scale, look at the large number of wealthy
> > individuals that dodge taxes.
>
> I don't think anyone was saying penalize all claimaints. I know I
> wasn't saying that. I do think Covid-19 has created a very unusual
> situation where there might be more opportunity for unscrupulous people
> to at least try to scam the system. They've always been out there, just
> like the wealthy have always been dodging taxes.

Big stink here, UK's former Tory Prime Minister David Cameron is
currently under suspicion :-(

<https://www.ft.com/content/6ed619c0-bb9a-44dc-a2f6-c5596a958ca8>

"David Cameron lobbied the UK government to increase Greensill
Capital?s access to state-backed emergency Covid-19 loan schemes, months
before the finance company collapsed and left the taxpayer on the hook
for potential losses.

The former UK prime minister, who became an adviser to Greensill
in 2018, pressed his former colleagues to give the company a bigger role
in programmes designed to keep credit flowing to pandemic-hit
businesses, according to people briefed on the matter in Whitehall and
the City"


Janet UK

In article >, cshenk1
@virginia-beach.net says...
> Sadly, I had to buy myself a wheelchair recently. Sometimes I have to
> travel a distance and can no longer do that. Fortunately I was able to
> find an office job and will only need it sometimes currently. That per
> the spine doctor, will shift slowly over the years.
>
> I will have to spring for a walk-in tub before too much longer. These
> things are expensive and are all out of pocket and not tax deductable.

Sorry to hear that. I recommend that instead of a walk-in tub, you
might find a walk/drive-in shower with fold down seat and access for an
assistant, much more flexible and useful in the long term.


https://www.mobility-plus.co.uk/walk-in-showers/

can be used with one of these cheap waterproof shower chairs with wheels

https://www.welcomemobility.co.uk/De...heeled-Shower-
Chairs.aspx


Janet UK

On Mon, 12 Apr 2021 22:23:37 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 4/12/2021 8:35 PM, cshenk wrote:
>
>
>>
>> Sadly, I had to buy myself a wheelchair recently. Sometimes I have to
>> travel a distance and can no longer do that. Fortunately I was able to
>> find an office job and will only need it sometimes currently. That per
>> the spine doctor, will shift slowly over the years.
>>
>> I will have to spring for a walk-in tub before too much longer. These
>> things are expensive and are all out of pocket and not tax deductable.
>>
>> I wish you contunued good health, Gary. You don't know what a blessing
>> it is until it's gone.
>>
>
>Understand. I used to like walking but can do little now.
>
>Walk in tubs are nice if you really want a tub. I took the tub out and
>put in a nice large shower instead. To step in it is only about 2" and
>you can have a seat. Since it replaced the tub, it is 60" and big
>enough that I could shower with my wife to assist her in the seat.
>
>If you like to sit in a tub and relax, the walk in may be a good choice
>but if you just want to get clean, the shower may be more suitable.

Like you, I put in a nice walk in shower and love it. Two friends
with those 'walk in' tubs say they would never do it again. What they
both dislike is having to sit there until the thing slowly empties
enough to open the door. One has 2 drains but it is not significantly
faster emptying. Both of them recommended walk in shower with seat
when I was changing out the bathroom.

On Mon, 12 Apr 2021 20:06:15 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 7:36:01 PM UTC-5, cshenk wrote:
>>
>> I will have to spring for a walk-in tub before too much longer. These
>> things are expensive and are all out of pocket and not tax deductable.
>>
>PLEASE research all companies and prices before you buy one of these
>and have it installed. The prices are all over the spectrum. I had one installed
>in my remodeled bathroom 3 1/2 years ago and am extremely pleased with it.

Agreed, the ones here who constantly advertise (for walk in showers)
charge far too much. I had an estimate for $7000 to take out bath and
put in shower. I decided it was pricey, went to a huge building
supplier, picked out what I wanted and had their contractor do it,
$5000 plus that included retiling the floor. He did it so beautifully
I hired him privately to come back and do all sorts of work such as
putting in crown moulding etc. and his painters painted it throughout.

Graham wrote:
> At the other end of the scale, look at the large number of wealthy
> individuals that dodge taxes.

No one wants to pay more taxes then they need too. Don't get mad at the
wealthy. Blame the govt. system that has tax loopholes that their paid
accountants find, legally.

On 2021-04-13 8:26 a.m., Gary wrote:
> Graham wrote:
>> At the other end of the scale, look at the large number of wealthy
>> individuals that dodge taxes.
>
> No one wants to pay more taxes then they need too. Don't get mad at the
> wealthy. Blame the govt. system that has tax loopholes that their paid
> accountants find, legally.


Then the blame bounces back to the wealthy people people and
corporations who fund campaigns and lobby groups to get the laws with
the loopholes written into them.

On 2021-04-13 7:43 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2021-04-13 8:26 a.m., Gary wrote:
>> Graham wrote:
>>> At the other end of the scale, look at the large number of wealthy
>>> individuals that dodge taxes.
>>
>> No one wants to pay more taxes then they need too. Don't get mad at
>> the wealthy. Blame the govt. system that has tax loopholes that their
>> paid accountants find, legally.
>
>
> Then the blame bounces back to the wealthy people people and
> corporations who fund campaigns and lobby groups to get the laws with
> the loopholes written into them.
>
>
>
>
>
Exactly!

On 4/13/2021 9:43 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2021-04-13 8:26 a.m., Gary wrote:
>> Graham wrote:
>>> At the other end of the scale, look at the large number of wealthy
>>> individuals that dodge taxes.
>>
>> No one wants to pay more taxes then they need too. Don't get mad at
>> the wealthy. Blame the govt. system that has tax loopholes that their
>> paid accountants find, legally.
>
>
> Then the blame bounces back to the wealthy people people and
> corporations who fund campaigns and lobby groups to get the laws with
> the loopholes written into them.
>
>
>
>
>
Or do you blame the law makers influenced by money. Or do you blame the
voters that keep putting them back in office?

Lawyers and accountants are certainly not going to ask for
simplification of the tax code either.

On Tuesday, April 13, 2021 at 5:59:13 AM UTC-5, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>
> Two friends
> with those 'walk in' tubs say they would never do it again. What they
> both dislike is having to sit there until the thing slowly empties
> enough to open the door. One has 2 drains but it is not significantly
> faster emptying. Both of them recommended walk in shower with seat
> when I was changing out the bathroom.
>
I don't use my walk-in tub for baths very much but fortunately, mine does
drain quickly when I do opt for a soak. BUT, if their tubs drain slowly they
should have opted for the 'power drain' feature. It will drain a full tub in
under 3 minutes. Can it be retro-fitted? I haven't a clue.

On Tuesday, April 13, 2021 at 6:03:27 AM UTC-5, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>
> On Mon, 12 Apr 2021 20:06:15 -0700 (PDT), "
> > wrote:
>
> >PLEASE research all companies and prices before you buy one of these
> >and have it installed. The prices are all over the spectrum. I had one installed
> >in my remodeled bathroom 3 1/2 years ago and am extremely pleased with it.
> >
> Agreed, the ones here who constantly advertise (for walk in showers)
> charge far too much. I had an estimate for $7000 to take out bath and
> put in shower. I decided it was pricey, went to a huge building
> supplier, picked out what I wanted and had their contractor do it,
> $5000 plus that included retiling the floor. He did it so beautifully
> I hired him privately to come back and do all sorts of work such as
> putting in crown moulding etc. and his painters painted it throughout.
>
The Saf-T-Step tubs that are advertised on the TV all the time also
have a store here. They simply WILL NOT give you a quote unless they
come to your house which I suspect they use that opportunity for a hard
sale. The few prices that people have shared for this tub is $11,000 and
that's their rock bottom price.

I had my entire bathroom remodeled for $12,500. That included the tub
I had ordered from a number 1 company in Georgia, new vanity, tile, light
fixture, recessed shelves at the front of the tub, new plumbing fixtures,
towel bars, towel ring, and storage cabinet. My toilet was new so it
remained as did the medicine cabinet with the attached large oval mirror.

That total price also included 3 or 4 minor maintenance jobs around the
house, too.

On Tue, 13 Apr 2021 09:53:15 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, April 13, 2021 at 5:59:13 AM UTC-5, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>
>> Two friends
>> with those 'walk in' tubs say they would never do it again. What they
>> both dislike is having to sit there until the thing slowly empties
>> enough to open the door. One has 2 drains but it is not significantly
>> faster emptying. Both of them recommended walk in shower with seat
>> when I was changing out the bathroom.
>>
>I don't use my walk-in tub for baths very much but fortunately, mine does
>drain quickly when I do opt for a soak. BUT, if their tubs drain slowly they
>should have opted for the 'power drain' feature. It will drain a full tub in
>under 3 minutes. Can it be retro-fitted? I haven't a clue.

I'll pass it on to them.

On Tue, 13 Apr 2021 10:08:24 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, April 13, 2021 at 6:03:27 AM UTC-5, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 12 Apr 2021 20:06:15 -0700 (PDT), "
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >PLEASE research all companies and prices before you buy one of these
>> >and have it installed. The prices are all over the spectrum. I had one installed
>> >in my remodeled bathroom 3 1/2 years ago and am extremely pleased with it.
>> >
>> Agreed, the ones here who constantly advertise (for walk in showers)
>> charge far too much. I had an estimate for $7000 to take out bath and
>> put in shower. I decided it was pricey, went to a huge building
>> supplier, picked out what I wanted and had their contractor do it,
>> $5000 plus that included retiling the floor. He did it so beautifully
>> I hired him privately to come back and do all sorts of work such as
>> putting in crown moulding etc. and his painters painted it throughout.
>>
>The Saf-T-Step tubs that are advertised on the TV all the time also
>have a store here. They simply WILL NOT give you a quote unless they
>come to your house which I suspect they use that opportunity for a hard
>sale. The few prices that people have shared for this tub is $11,000 and
>that's their rock bottom price.

That's what this company did, he came, he measured then we sat down
and he came up with the $7000 bit by bit, so much more for a built in
seat, so much more for a rain shower head etc etc. I took a dislike
to him and mistrusted everything he said, that's why I tried the
building store.
>
>I had my entire bathroom remodeled for $12,500. That included the tub
>I had ordered from a number 1 company in Georgia, new vanity, tile, light
>fixture, recessed shelves at the front of the tub, new plumbing fixtures,
>towel bars, towel ring, and storage cabinet. My toilet was new so it
>remained as did the medicine cabinet with the attached large oval mirror.
>
>That total price also included 3 or 4 minor maintenance jobs around the
>house, too.

Nice to know we are not conned easily :-)

On Tuesday, April 13, 2021 at 12:36:43 PM UTC-5, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>
> On Tue, 13 Apr 2021 10:08:24 -0700 (PDT), "
> > wrote:
>
> >The Saf-T-Step tubs that are advertised on the TV all the time also
> >have a store here. They simply WILL NOT give you a quote unless they
> >come to your house which I suspect they use that opportunity for a hard
> >sale. The few prices that people have shared for this tub is $11,000 and
> >that's their rock bottom price.
> >
> That's what this company did, he came, he measured then we sat down
> and he came up with the $7000 bit by bit, so much more for a built in
> seat, so much more for a rain shower head etc etc. I took a dislike
> to him and mistrusted everything he said, that's why I tried the
> building store.
> >
Oh WOW! I'm surprised he didn't quote a price for the tub door and locking
handle!! The seat, of course, is part of my tub, molded in, and the shower
wand and faucets came with my tub.

That would be like building a house and the builder says it's extra for a roof
or front door!
> >
> >I had my entire bathroom remodeled for $12,500. That included the tub
> >I had ordered from a number 1 company in Georgia, new vanity, tile, light
> >fixture, recessed shelves at the front of the tub, new plumbing fixtures,
> >towel bars, towel ring, and storage cabinet. My toilet was new so it
> >remained as did the medicine cabinet with the attached large oval mirror.
> >
> >That total price also included 3 or 4 minor maintenance jobs around the
> >house, too.
> >
> Nice to know we are not conned easily :-)
>
Ain't it the truth! The two men that did my remodel were guys that my brother
and sister-in-law knew and they had done tons of remodeling for them. So, I
felt confidant in hiring them and have had no issues with any work they've done
since this was completed over 3 years ago.

These type tubs can be bought through many plumbing stores as well as the
big box stores like Home Depot and Lowe's. But then I'd have search for a
plumber and maybe a remodeler so I feel like I really saved money in the long
run getting two guys that could do the complete job.

On Tue, 13 Apr 2021 10:54:42 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, April 13, 2021 at 12:36:43 PM UTC-5, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 13 Apr 2021 10:08:24 -0700 (PDT), "
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >The Saf-T-Step tubs that are advertised on the TV all the time also
>> >have a store here. They simply WILL NOT give you a quote unless they
>> >come to your house which I suspect they use that opportunity for a hard
>> >sale. The few prices that people have shared for this tub is $11,000 and
>> >that's their rock bottom price.
>> >
>> That's what this company did, he came, he measured then we sat down
>> and he came up with the $7000 bit by bit, so much more for a built in
>> seat, so much more for a rain shower head etc etc. I took a dislike
>> to him and mistrusted everything he said, that's why I tried the
>> building store.
>> >
>Oh WOW! I'm surprised he didn't quote a price for the tub door and locking
>handle!! The seat, of course, is part of my tub, molded in, and the shower
>wand and faucets came with my tub.
>
>That would be like building a house and the builder says it's extra for a roof
>or front door!
>> >
>> >I had my entire bathroom remodeled for $12,500. That included the tub
>> >I had ordered from a number 1 company in Georgia, new vanity, tile, light
>> >fixture, recessed shelves at the front of the tub, new plumbing fixtures,
>> >towel bars, towel ring, and storage cabinet. My toilet was new so it
>> >remained as did the medicine cabinet with the attached large oval mirror.
>> >
>> >That total price also included 3 or 4 minor maintenance jobs around the
>> >house, too.
>> >
>> Nice to know we are not conned easily :-)
>>
>Ain't it the truth! The two men that did my remodel were guys that my brother
>and sister-in-law knew and they had done tons of remodeling for them. So, I
>felt confidant in hiring them and have had no issues with any work they've done
>since this was completed over 3 years ago.
>
>These type tubs can be bought through many plumbing stores as well as the
>big box stores like Home Depot and Lowe's. But then I'd have search for a
>plumber and maybe a remodeler so I feel like I really saved money in the long
>run getting two guys that could do the complete job.

We do have a Home Depot here (it was another place like that which I
went to) but I tore up my card and won't buy anything there since I
learned the wealthy person who owns Home Depot contributed a few
million bucks to Trumps re-election campaign. It's the only form of
protest left to me these days

Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Apr 2021 10:54:42 -0700 (PDT), "
> > wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, April 13, 2021 at 12:36:43 PM UTC-5, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tue, 13 Apr 2021 10:08:24 -0700 (PDT), "
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> The Saf-T-Step tubs that are advertised on the TV all the time also
>>>> have a store here. They simply WILL NOT give you a quote unless they
>>>> come to your house which I suspect they use that opportunity for a hard
>>>> sale. The few prices that people have shared for this tub is $11,000 and
>>>> that's their rock bottom price.
>>>>
>>> That's what this company did, he came, he measured then we sat down
>>> and he came up with the $7000 bit by bit, so much more for a built in
>>> seat, so much more for a rain shower head etc etc. I took a dislike
>>> to him and mistrusted everything he said, that's why I tried the
>>> building store.
>>>>
>> Oh WOW! I'm surprised he didn't quote a price for the tub door and locking
>> handle!! The seat, of course, is part of my tub, molded in, and the shower
>> wand and faucets came with my tub.
>>
>> That would be like building a house and the builder says it's extra for a roof
>> or front door!
>>>>
>>>> I had my entire bathroom remodeled for $12,500. That included the tub
>>>> I had ordered from a number 1 company in Georgia, new vanity, tile, light
>>>> fixture, recessed shelves at the front of the tub, new plumbing fixtures,
>>>> towel bars, towel ring, and storage cabinet. My toilet was new so it
>>>> remained as did the medicine cabinet with the attached large oval mirror.
>>>>
>>>> That total price also included 3 or 4 minor maintenance jobs around the
>>>> house, too.
>>>>
>>> Nice to know we are not conned easily :-)
>>>
>> Ain't it the truth! The two men that did my remodel were guys that my brother
>> and sister-in-law knew and they had done tons of remodeling for them. So, I
>> felt confidant in hiring them and have had no issues with any work they've done
>> since this was completed over 3 years ago.
>>
>> These type tubs can be bought through many plumbing stores as well as the
>> big box stores like Home Depot and Lowe's. But then I'd have search for a
>> plumber and maybe a remodeler so I feel like I really saved money in the long
>> run getting two guys that could do the complete job.
>
> We do have a Home Depot here (it was another place like that which I
> went to) but I tore up my card and won't buy anything there since I
> learned the wealthy person who owns Home Depot contributed a few
> million bucks to Trumps re-election campaign. It's the only form of
> protest left to me these days
>
Why are you protesting an American ex-president anyway?

Don't you have some tasty Trudumb arse to slurp?

--
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> On 4/12/2021 8:35 PM, cshenk wrote:
>
>
> >
> > Sadly, I had to buy myself a wheelchair recently. Sometimes I have
> > to travel a distance and can no longer do that. Fortunately I was
> > able to find an office job and will only need it sometimes
> > currently. That per the spine doctor, will shift slowly over the
> > years.
> >
> > I will have to spring for a walk-in tub before too much longer.
> > These things are expensive and are all out of pocket and not tax
> > deductable.
> >
> > I wish you contunued good health, Gary. You don't know what a
> > blessing it is until it's gone.
> >
>
> Understand. I used to like walking but can do little now.
>
> Walk in tubs are nice if you really want a tub. I took the tub out
> and put in a nice large shower instead. To step in it is only about
> 2" and you can have a seat. Since it replaced the tub, it is 60" and
> big enough that I could shower with my wife to assist her in the seat.
>
> If you like to sit in a tub and relax, the walk in may be a good
> choice but if you just want to get clean, the shower may be more
> suitable.

Naw, I *LOVE* long soaks in the tub.

Dave Smith wrote:

> On 2021-04-12 10:23 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> Understand.Â* I used to like walking but can do little now.
> >
> > Walk in tubs are nice if you really want a tub.Â* I took the tub out
> > and put in a nice large shower instead.Â* To step in it is only
> > about 2" and you can have a seat.Â* Since it replaced the tub, it
> > is 60" and big enough that I could shower with my wife to assist
> > her in the seat.
> >
> > If you like to sit in a tub and relax, the walk in may be a good
> > choice but if you just want to get clean, the shower may be more
> > suitable.
>
> Showers are nice, but once in a while I like to soak in a nice hot
> tub.

Yup and with only 1 full bath here, it's a tub/shower combo.

wrote:

> On Tuesday, April 13, 2021 at 5:59:13 AM UTC-5, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> >
> > Two friends
> > with those 'walk in' tubs say they would never do it again. What
> > they both dislike is having to sit there until the thing slowly
> > empties enough to open the door. One has 2 drains but it is not
> > significantly faster emptying. Both of them recommended walk in
> > shower with seat when I was changing out the bathroom.
> >
> I don't use my walk-in tub for baths very much but fortunately, mine
> does drain quickly when I do opt for a soak. BUT, if their tubs
> drain slowly they should have opted for the 'power drain' feature.
> It will drain a full tub in under 3 minutes. Can it be retro-fitted?
> I haven't a clue.

My other need is a tub assistive device that lets me stand up. Right
now I have a rail at the back along the tile and a simple tension one
hooked over the opening side. I use both to get back up. Humm...

wrote:

> On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 7:36:01 PM UTC-5, cshenk wrote:
> >
> > I will have to spring for a walk-in tub before too much longer.
> > These things are expensive and are all out of pocket and not tax
> > deductable.
> >
> PLEASE research all companies and prices before you buy one of these
> and have it installed. The prices are all over the spectrum. I had
> one installed in my remodeled bathroom 3 1/2 years ago and am
> extremely pleased with it.

Oh I will, rest assured!

On Tue, 13 Apr 2021 17:49:50 -0500, "cshenk"
> wrote:

wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, April 13, 2021 at 5:59:13 AM UTC-5, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>> >
>> > Two friends
>> > with those 'walk in' tubs say they would never do it again. What
>> > they both dislike is having to sit there until the thing slowly
>> > empties enough to open the door. One has 2 drains but it is not
>> > significantly faster emptying. Both of them recommended walk in
>> > shower with seat when I was changing out the bathroom.
>> >
>> I don't use my walk-in tub for baths very much but fortunately, mine
>> does drain quickly when I do opt for a soak. BUT, if their tubs
>> drain slowly they should have opted for the 'power drain' feature.
>> It will drain a full tub in under 3 minutes. Can it be retro-fitted?
>> I haven't a clue.
>
>My other need is a tub assistive device that lets me stand up. Right
>now I have a rail at the back along the tile and a simple tension one
>hooked over the opening side. I use both to get back up. Humm...

Grab bars are easy to install so long as you know how to locate studs
etc.

Sqwertz wrote:

> On Sun, 11 Apr 2021 14:51:51 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> > Many people that did not really need the money gave to charities,
> > food banks, and the like to help others.
>
> I gave a majority of the first and second checks to the Chinese.
> Much of it brokered by Amazon and the Asian supermarket.
>
> -sw

LOL!

On 2021-04-13 6:54 p.m., Lucretia Borgia wrote:

>> My other need is a tub assistive device that lets me stand up. Right
>> now I have a rail at the back along the tile and a simple tension one
>> hooked over the opening side. I use both to get back up. Humm...
>
> Grab bars are easy to install so long as you know how to locate studs
> etc.
>


No problem finding a stud when you hang out with that geriatric soccer club.


--
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus

On 4/13/2021 6:47 PM, cshenk wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> On 2021-04-12 10:23 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>> Understand.Â* I used to like walking but can do little now.
>>>
>>> Walk in tubs are nice if you really want a tub.Â* I took the tub out
>>> and put in a nice large shower instead.Â* To step in it is only
>>> about 2" and you can have a seat.Â* Since it replaced the tub, it
>>> is 60" and big enough that I could shower with my wife to assist
>>> her in the seat.
>>>
>>> If you like to sit in a tub and relax, the walk in may be a good
>>> choice but if you just want to get clean, the shower may be more
>>> suitable.
>>
>> Showers are nice, but once in a while I like to soak in a nice hot
>> tub.
>
> Yup and with only 1 full bath here, it's a tub/shower combo.
>

Two full baths here but neither has a tub. Paid extra not to have a tub
too. It has more tile work and the glass doors the tub would not have.

On 4/13/2021 6:54 PM, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Apr 2021 17:49:50 -0500, "cshenk"
> > wrote:
>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 13, 2021 at 5:59:13 AM UTC-5, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Two friends
>>>> with those 'walk in' tubs say they would never do it again. What
>>>> they both dislike is having to sit there until the thing slowly
>>>> empties enough to open the door. One has 2 drains but it is not
>>>> significantly faster emptying. Both of them recommended walk in
>>>> shower with seat when I was changing out the bathroom.
>>>>
>>> I don't use my walk-in tub for baths very much but fortunately, mine
>>> does drain quickly when I do opt for a soak. BUT, if their tubs
>>> drain slowly they should have opted for the 'power drain' feature.
>>> It will drain a full tub in under 3 minutes. Can it be retro-fitted?
>>> I haven't a clue.
>>
>> My other need is a tub assistive device that lets me stand up. Right
>> now I have a rail at the back along the tile and a simple tension one
>> hooked over the opening side. I use both to get back up. Humm...
>
> Grab bars are easy to install so long as you know how to locate studs
> etc.
>

Its a business here with lots of new houses and an older population.
Just call Mr. Grab Bar.

I also had one by the toilet to assist my wife. Of course, the "comfort
height" toilets make it easier too.

On 4/13/2021 5:53 PM, heyjoe wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Apr 2021 21:13:33 -0400
> in Message-ID: >
> Dave Smith wrote :
>
>> Then when he had used up everything and
>> could not afford anymore unpaid leave he would come to work sick.
>
> When he showed up to work "sick"
> did he infect other workers and cause them to take time off
> OR
> did he fail to do his job
>
Sounds like maybe the guy really was constantly sick and didn't have a
choice. Could go either way. We weren't there.

> His "Snoopervisor" is to blame for allowing this kind of behavior.
>
Depends on the company rules. In some companies if you are sick and
have no paid sick leave left you are allowed to use your vacation days
as sick leave. The difficulty comes in with last minute calling in sick
because there may be others out (or scheduled off) then, too. AFAIK
those last minute vacation days taken as sick days require a doctor's
note. Especially when you have an employee who is always out sick.

Jill