cshenk wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> On 2021-04-15 2:04 p.m., David Crossley wrote:
>>> In article >,
>>> says...
>>>>
>>>> On 2021-04-14 3:21 p.m., David Crossley wrote:
>>>>> In article >,
>>>>> Dave Smith says...
>>>>>> The US helped win WWII more by converting its industry to
>>>>>> military production than with its troops. That is not said to
>>>>>> belittle their participation in it.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Sounds like your trying to belittle the fact that the USA
>>>>> had 407,316 soldiers killed and 671,278 wounded in WWII, you
>>>>> always seem to be putting down the USA Military, I'll be sure
>>>>> to point it out more often now, especially when you talk out
>>>>> your ass like above.
>>>>
>>>> It's curious that you are a new name here but seem to be aware of
>>>> posts from the past. Quelle surpris.
>>>>
>>> That's your problem.
>>>
>>> What's really curious is how you can minimize 407,316 killed and
>>> 671,278 wounded USA military personnel, that's almost more than the
>>> United Kingdom and Canada combined, and yes our industrial prowess
>>> and contribution was unmatched.
>>
>> You are a blithering idiot. The conversation was about the importance
>> of maintaining control over the production of war materials.
>>
>>
>>>
>
> Correct.
>
> We (Canada too) were replacing materials at a huge rate. Faster than
> we were losing them. A shred of memory tells me there were a few
> things Canada excelled at producing and I think they sort of combined
> on it with the US?
>

I can't remember any of wwII. You must be about 100, right?

On Thursday, April 15, 2021 at 8:54:29 PM UTC-5, Hank Rogers wrote:
>
> cshenk wrote:
> >
> > It's a real trial getting a GOOD computer chair too. The manufacturers
> > are so concerned about 6ft5in people, they forget there are more 5ft or
> > so folks than them.
> >
> I bet yoose left handed too?
>
What's that got to do with it??

On 4/15/2021 9:54 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:
> cshenk wrote:
>> Gary wrote:
>>
>>> Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>>> Too true! When I was replacing my old toilet several years ago the
>>>> then Super told me to go with a comfort height toilet and I didn't
>>>> know what he meant.Â* He took me to show me the toilet he had just
>>>> installed in the supers unit and when he said to me to sit down on
>>>> it and I would see the difference (I did lol) but I asked him if it
>>>> was not weird that I was in his unit trying out his toilet seat
>>>> etc!!Â* I am still grateful to this day to him though, for my higher
>>>> toilet!
>>>
>>> Nothing weird about sitting on his toilet seat to try it out unless
>>> you pulled your pants down to do it. lol
>>
>> Yup!Â* For me, a 'comfort height' is a lower one.Â* At now 5ft (I've
>> shrunk due to spinal damage by 1.5 inches), 18 inches is best.Â* They
>> have those really high ones in the disability stalls in bathrooms.Â* I
>> end up perched with my feet dangling in the air.
>>
>> It's a real trial getting a GOOD computer chair too.Â* The manufacturers
>> are so concerned about 6ft5in people, they forget there are more 5ft or
>> so folks than them.
>>
>
> I bet yoose left handed too?
>
>

Hey, us lefties are the only ones in our right mind.

cshenk wrote:

> Dave Smith wrote:
>
> > On 2021-04-14 9:08 a.m., Janet wrote:
> >
> > > It doesn't take a great deal more disability, before you won't
> > > be able to rise when wet, unaided, from recumbent-seated to stand
> > > (and disabled Don won;t be able to help you). Happened to my
> > > neighbours last year.
> > >
> > > A year or so ago, my neighbour called me in a terrible panic
> > > because his wife had got stuck in the bath and he couldn't get
> > > her out. She probably weighs 20 stone but walks unaided. He and I
> > > together could not get that big heavy slippery helpless whale to
> > > sit up or kneel up, let alone stand up.
> > >
> > > By now her husband was so distressed he was grey, crying, shaking
> > > and could hardly breathe and I was afraid he might have a heart
> > > attack. The wife was wet, chilled and cold and just couldn't
> > > move.
> > >
> > > In the end I had to dial 999 for an ambulance crew, and two young
> > > male paramedics hauled her out onto dry land.
> > >
> >
> >
> > I can see that happening. I got tossed off a horse in a lesson and
> > did something to my back. It hurt to much to continue the lesson. I
> > had a hard time getting into my car and a harder time to get out. I
> > made my way slowly upstairs and figured a hot bath would be the
> > ticket. It felt great and I soaked for a good long time. The it came
> > time to get out. I couldn't. It hurt too much. I had to wait in that
> > cool water until my wife got home.
> >
> > It might helped on the long run. As sore as I was at noon, that bath
> > and a couple Robaxacet had me back to normal by dinner time.
>
> A key thing is I never recline in the tub. I sit up facing the rest
> of the bathroom. I wish now I'd had a grab bar installed on each
> wall but when we did it, I was 7 years younger and didn't know I
> would need that later. As it is, I have one over the lip to the rest
> of the room.

Oh and on the back wall of the tub.

On Thu, 15 Apr 2021 20:19:09 -0500, "cshenk"
> wrote:

>We (Canada too) were replacing materials at a huge rate. Faster than
>we were losing them. A shred of memory tells me there were a few
>things Canada excelled at producing and I think they sort of combined
>on it with the US?

The only thing I can think of is Tom Green.

On Thu, 15 Apr 2021 20:03:36 -0500, "cshenk"
> wrote:

>Gary wrote:
>
>> Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>> > Too true! When I was replacing my old toilet several years ago the
>> > then Super told me to go with a comfort height toilet and I didn't
>> > know what he meant. He took me to show me the toilet he had just
>> > installed in the supers unit and when he said to me to sit down on
>> > it and I would see the difference (I did lol) but I asked him if it
>> > was not weird that I was in his unit trying out his toilet seat
>> > etc!! I am still grateful to this day to him though, for my higher
>> > toilet!
>>
>> Nothing weird about sitting on his toilet seat to try it out unless
>> you pulled your pants down to do it. lol
>
>Yup! For me, a 'comfort height' is a lower one. At now 5ft (I've
>shrunk due to spinal damage by 1.5 inches), 18 inches is best. They
>have those really high ones in the disability stalls in bathrooms. I
>end up perched with my feet dangling in the air.
>
>It's a real trial getting a GOOD computer chair too. The manufacturers
>are so concerned about 6ft5in people, they forget there are more 5ft or
>so folks than them.

That's a load of crap! If I draw in a big breath and hold it, I can
measure to 5' 1" and if you have knee or hip problems those 70s low
rise toilets are ghastly! The manufacturers are NOT concerned with 6'
5" people, they are rightly catching up with the many people who have
skeletal problems. I can only think if your feet are 'dangling' then
you must be somehow wrongly proportioned with short legs or something.

On 16/04/2021 12:09, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Apr 2021 20:03:36 -0500, "cshenk"

>> Yup! For me, a 'comfort height' is a lower one. At now 5ft (I've
>> shrunk due to spinal damage by 1.5 inches), 18 inches is best. They
>> have those really high ones in the disability stalls in bathrooms. I
>> end up perched with my feet dangling in the air.
>>
>> It's a real trial getting a GOOD computer chair too. The manufacturers
>> are so concerned about 6ft5in people, they forget there are more 5ft or
>> so folks than them.
>
> That's a load of crap! If I draw in a big breath and hold it, I can
> measure to 5' 1" and if you have knee or hip problems those 70s low
> rise toilets are ghastly! The manufacturers are NOT concerned with 6'
> 5" people, they are rightly catching up with the many people who have
> skeletal problems. I can only think if your feet are 'dangling' then
> you must be somehow wrongly proportioned with short legs or something.
>
There are many footrests like the Squatty Potty now being sold, some of
them even fold, and have motion-sensitive LED lights in them...
That would certainly solve the dangling feet problem.

On Friday, April 16, 2021 at 7:09:55 AM UTC-4, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Apr 2021 20:03:36 -0500, "cshenk"
> > wrote:

> >Yup! For me, a 'comfort height' is a lower one. At now 5ft (I've
> >shrunk due to spinal damage by 1.5 inches), 18 inches is best. They
> >have those really high ones in the disability stalls in bathrooms. I
> >end up perched with my feet dangling in the air.
> >
> >It's a real trial getting a GOOD computer chair too. The manufacturers
> >are so concerned about 6ft5in people, they forget there are more 5ft or
> >so folks than them.
> That's a load of crap! If I draw in a big breath and hold it, I can
> measure to 5' 1" and if you have knee or hip problems those 70s low
> rise toilets are ghastly! The manufacturers are NOT concerned with 6'
> 5" people, they are rightly catching up with the many people who have
> skeletal problems. I can only think if your feet are 'dangling' then
> you must be somehow wrongly proportioned with short legs or something.

"Wrongly proportioned"? There's no "wrong".

And 6'5" referred to computer chairs, not toilets.

Cindy Hamilton

cshenk wrote:
> Yup! For me, a 'comfort height' is a lower one. At now 5ft (I've
> shrunk due to spinal damage by 1.5 inches), 18 inches is best. They
> have those really high ones in the disability stalls in bathrooms. I
> end up perched with my feet dangling in the air.

lol. I'm 6'2" and my toilet seat is 15" high. It's pretty low.

On Friday, April 16, 2021 at 7:32:17 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> cshenk wrote:
> > Yup! For me, a 'comfort height' is a lower one. At now 5ft (I've
> > shrunk due to spinal damage by 1.5 inches), 18 inches is best. They
> > have those really high ones in the disability stalls in bathrooms. I
> > end up perched with my feet dangling in the air.
> lol. I'm 6'2" and my toilet seat is 15" high. It's pretty low.

You are a renter. You have no control over your toilet height or
anything else.

Cindy Hamilton

On Fri, 16 Apr 2021 12:16:05 +0100, S Viemeister
> wrote:

>On 16/04/2021 12:09, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Apr 2021 20:03:36 -0500, "cshenk"
>
>>> Yup! For me, a 'comfort height' is a lower one. At now 5ft (I've
>>> shrunk due to spinal damage by 1.5 inches), 18 inches is best. They
>>> have those really high ones in the disability stalls in bathrooms. I
>>> end up perched with my feet dangling in the air.
>>>
>>> It's a real trial getting a GOOD computer chair too. The manufacturers
>>> are so concerned about 6ft5in people, they forget there are more 5ft or
>>> so folks than them.
>>
>> That's a load of crap! If I draw in a big breath and hold it, I can
>> measure to 5' 1" and if you have knee or hip problems those 70s low
>> rise toilets are ghastly! The manufacturers are NOT concerned with 6'
>> 5" people, they are rightly catching up with the many people who have
>> skeletal problems. I can only think if your feet are 'dangling' then
>> you must be somehow wrongly proportioned with short legs or something.
>>
>There are many footrests like the Squatty Potty now being sold, some of
>them even fold, and have motion-sensitive LED lights in them...
>That would certainly solve the dangling feet problem.

People in this building who have the low rise toilets are quickly
replacing them, if you don't, when you need hip/knee replacement you
have to get those ghastly 'toilet risers' from the Red Cross

On 4/16/2021 9:14 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Friday, April 16, 2021 at 7:32:17 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>> cshenk wrote:
>>> Yup! For me, a 'comfort height' is a lower one. At now 5ft (I've
>>> shrunk due to spinal damage by 1.5 inches), 18 inches is best. They
>>> have those really high ones in the disability stalls in bathrooms. I
>>> end up perched with my feet dangling in the air.
>> lol. I'm 6'2" and my toilet seat is 15" high. It's pretty low.
>
> You are a renter. You have no control over your toilet height or
> anything else.

So what? My toilet works fine.

On Friday, April 16, 2021 at 10:19:50 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> On 4/16/2021 9:14 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Friday, April 16, 2021 at 7:32:17 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> >> cshenk wrote:
> >>> Yup! For me, a 'comfort height' is a lower one. At now 5ft (I've
> >>> shrunk due to spinal damage by 1.5 inches), 18 inches is best. They
> >>> have those really high ones in the disability stalls in bathrooms. I
> >>> end up perched with my feet dangling in the air.
> >> lol. I'm 6'2" and my toilet seat is 15" high. It's pretty low.
> >
> > You are a renter. You have no control over your toilet height or
> > anything else.
> So what? My toilet works fine.

Sure, it does now. You're about one knee injury away from changing
your tune.

I felt the same as you until I blew out my knee in 2013.

Cindy Hamilton

On 16/04/2021 14:32, Lucretia Borgia wrote:

> People in this building who have the low rise toilets are quickly
> replacing them, if you don't, when you need hip/knee replacement you
> have to get those ghastly 'toilet risers' from the Red Cross
>
We recently put in a new shower room. One of our requirements was a
comfort height toilet. My back sometimes gives me grief, and those
toilet risers are dreadful, also, all of us are tall (I'm the shortest,
at only 5'10"). The walk-in shower cubicle is extra large, allowing room
for two people. The doorway is wide enough for a walker, and there's
enough room to turn a wheelchair, should that ever be necessary.

When my mother sold the family home, and moved into smaller quarters,
she never considered that she might, later in life, have difficulty
getting in and out of the tub in that tiny bathroom. Her last few years
were difficult for her, and for those of us who cared for her.
I was determined to learn from her mistakes, hence the design of our new
shower room.

On Fri, 16 Apr 2021 16:41:07 +0100, S Viemeister
> wrote:

>On 16/04/2021 14:32, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>
>> People in this building who have the low rise toilets are quickly
>> replacing them, if you don't, when you need hip/knee replacement you
>> have to get those ghastly 'toilet risers' from the Red Cross
>>
>We recently put in a new shower room. One of our requirements was a
>comfort height toilet. My back sometimes gives me grief, and those
>toilet risers are dreadful, also, all of us are tall (I'm the shortest,
>at only 5'10"). The walk-in shower cubicle is extra large, allowing room
>for two people. The doorway is wide enough for a walker, and there's
>enough room to turn a wheelchair, should that ever be necessary.
>
>When my mother sold the family home, and moved into smaller quarters,
>she never considered that she might, later in life, have difficulty
>getting in and out of the tub in that tiny bathroom. Her last few years
>were difficult for her, and for those of us who cared for her.
>I was determined to learn from her mistakes, hence the design of our new
>shower room.

I did the same with my bathroom here, took the old bath out and had a
big, glass doored, shower with seat put in. I love it. My daughters
pointed out I might have lowered the sale price on my unit as many
people want a bath as well, so I pointed out as I wouldn't be the one
selling it, ask me how much I care

On 2021-04-16 1:00 p.m., Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Apr 2021 16:41:07 +0100, S Viemeister

>> When my mother sold the family home, and moved into smaller quarters,
>> she never considered that she might, later in life, have difficulty
>> getting in and out of the tub in that tiny bathroom. Her last few years
>> were difficult for her, and for those of us who cared for her.
>> I was determined to learn from her mistakes, hence the design of our new
>> shower room.
>
> I did the same with my bathroom here, took the old bath out and had a
> big, glass doored, shower with seat put in. I love it. My daughters
> pointed out I might have lowered the sale price on my unit as many
> people want a bath as well, so I pointed out as I wouldn't be the one
> selling it, ask me how much I care
>

I am surprised to hear how many people say they prefer showers to baths
and would rather had a shower stall than a tub. I like the idea of a
stall for showering, but I like to have a bath once in a while. I find
them therapeutic. They are good for soothing sore muscles. I just hope
that my shoulder does not deteriorate much more. I am not sure if it is
arthritis or my rotator cuff, but it is starting to get more painful to
hoist myself up out of the tub.


If I ever do get a shower stall I will be sure to have a nice high lip
around it. I had a rude surprise in a hotel in Denmark the first time I
had a shower there. I had been travelling for close to 24 hours and
wanted to freshen up before meeting my friends for supper. I left my
clothes on the floor, not realizing that the shower drain was by the
edge of the shower area and there was no lip. My clothes got wet. I
learned to undress in the room before going in for a shower. The lack of
a lip was common to every hotel, motel and household bathroom that I saw
there.

On Friday, April 16, 2021 at 1:36:23 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2021-04-16 1:00 p.m., Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> > On Fri, 16 Apr 2021 16:41:07 +0100, S Viemeister
> >> When my mother sold the family home, and moved into smaller quarters,
> >> she never considered that she might, later in life, have difficulty
> >> getting in and out of the tub in that tiny bathroom. Her last few years
> >> were difficult for her, and for those of us who cared for her.
> >> I was determined to learn from her mistakes, hence the design of our new
> >> shower room.
> >
> > I did the same with my bathroom here, took the old bath out and had a
> > big, glass doored, shower with seat put in. I love it. My daughters
> > pointed out I might have lowered the sale price on my unit as many
> > people want a bath as well, so I pointed out as I wouldn't be the one
> > selling it, ask me how much I care
> >
> I am surprised to hear how many people say they prefer showers to baths
> and would rather had a shower stall than a tub. I like the idea of a
> stall for showering, but I like to have a bath once in a while. I find
> them therapeutic. They are good for soothing sore muscles. I just hope
> that my shoulder does not deteriorate much more. I am not sure if it is
> arthritis or my rotator cuff, but it is starting to get more painful to
> hoist myself up out of the tub.

I am surprised to hear how many people have any interest in baths. I
started showering in 7th grade and wished I'd started sooner. If we
didn't have a hot tub (filtered and brominated), I'd never soak in hot water.
We tore out our bathtub in 2015 and replaced it with a shower.

Cindy Hamilton

On 2021-04-16 1:51 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Friday, April 16, 2021 at 1:36:23 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:

>> I am surprised to hear how many people say they prefer showers to baths
>> and would rather had a shower stall than a tub. I like the idea of a
>> stall for showering, but I like to have a bath once in a while. I find
>> them therapeutic. They are good for soothing sore muscles. I just hope
>> that my shoulder does not deteriorate much more. I am not sure if it is
>> arthritis or my rotator cuff, but it is starting to get more painful to
>> hoist myself up out of the tub.
>
> I am surprised to hear how many people have any interest in baths. I
> started showering in 7th grade and wished I'd started sooner. If we
> didn't have a hot tub (filtered and brominated), I'd never soak in hot water.
> We tore out our bathtub in 2015 and replaced it with a shower.



A hot tub would suit my purposes. I don't have the room for one in my
house, and I don't want to have to go outside for a soak in the middle
of January.


I used to have an athletic membership at my old university and it was
just two miles from where I worked. I used to go in and swim for a half
hour or so and then soak in the very hot jacuzzi. It recharged my
batteries to get me through a shift on a cold night. I later switched
to the YMCA where there was a nice jacuzzi, but it was a half hour drive
from home. Then I switched to the new Y just 3 miles from here. No
Jacuzzi. They have a "swirl pool" only 96F. It's bad enough that it was
nowhere near hot enough, but they let little kids in it. I know what
those guys do in hot water.

On 16/04/2021 15:19, Gary wrote:
> On 4/16/2021 9:14 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Friday, April 16, 2021 at 7:32:17 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>>> cshenk wrote:
>>>> Yup! For me, a 'comfort height' is a lower one. At now 5ft (I've
>>>> shrunk due to spinal damage by 1.5 inches), 18 inches is best. They
>>>> have those really high ones in the disability stalls in bathrooms. I
>>>> end up perched with my feet dangling in the air.
>>> lol. I'm 6'2" and my toilet seat is 15" high. It's pretty low.
>>
>> You are a renter.Â* You have no control over your toilet height or
>> anything else.
>
> So what? My toilet works fine.
>
===

That is all that matters !!!!!

On Friday, April 16, 2021 at 12:00:16 PM UTC-5, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>
> I did the same with my bathroom here, took the old bath out and had a
> big, glass doored, shower with seat put in. I love it. My daughters
> pointed out I might have lowered the sale price on my unit as many
> people want a bath as well, so I pointed out as I wouldn't be the one
> selling it, ask me how much I care
>
When I had my bathroom remodeled 3½ years ago I considered a nice
walk-in shower with seat. However, this house being almost a hundred
years old had a large double hung window right over the tub. I do appreciate
the natural light when it comes to doing hair and makeup but it's too large
for a shower to be installed in that area. It would have envolved interior
as well as exterior construction to change the window to one of those
narrow, high transom windows. I still got a shower with the remodel, it's
just a shower in a seated position.

Thirteen years ago when I had an addition added to the back of my
house that included a full bathroom and walk-in closet I did opt for
those transom windows. They're great! Lots of natural light in both
rooms but privacy as they're a good 9-10 feet off the ground.

Ophelia wrote:
> On 16/04/2021 15:19, Gary wrote:
>> On 4/16/2021 9:14 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Friday, April 16, 2021 at 7:32:17 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>>>> cshenk wrote:
>>>>> Yup! For me, a 'comfort height' is a lower one. At now 5ft (I've
>>>>> shrunk due to spinal damage by 1.5 inches), 18 inches is best.
>>>>> They
>>>>> have those really high ones in the disability stalls in
>>>>> bathrooms. I
>>>>> end up perched with my feet dangling in the air.
>>>> lol. I'm 6'2" and my toilet seat is 15" high. It's pretty low.
>>>
>>> You are a renter.Â* You have no control over your toilet height or
>>> anything else.
>>
>> So what? My toilet works fine.
>>
> ===
>
> That is all that matters !!!!!
>

I think there is a bbs news special tonight about prince phillip's
terlit.

On 4/16/2021 7:18 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Friday, April 16, 2021 at 7:09:55 AM UTC-4, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Apr 2021 20:03:36 -0500, "cshenk"
>> > wrote:
>
>>> Yup! For me, a 'comfort height' is a lower one. At now 5ft (I've
>>> shrunk due to spinal damage by 1.5 inches), 18 inches is best. They
>>> have those really high ones in the disability stalls in bathrooms. I
>>> end up perched with my feet dangling in the air.
>>>
>>> It's a real trial getting a GOOD computer chair too. The manufacturers
>>> are so concerned about 6ft5in people, they forget there are more 5ft or
>>> so folks than them.
>> That's a load of crap! If I draw in a big breath and hold it, I can
>> measure to 5' 1" and if you have knee or hip problems those 70s low
>> rise toilets are ghastly! The manufacturers are NOT concerned with 6'
>> 5" people, they are rightly catching up with the many people who have
>> skeletal problems. I can only think if your feet are 'dangling' then
>> you must be somehow wrongly proportioned with short legs or something.
>
> "Wrongly proportioned"? There's no "wrong".
>
> And 6'5" referred to computer chairs, not toilets.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
Still, most computer chairs are adjustable. I'm 5'3" and the
inexpensive chair I have can be raised up really high or set really low.

Jill

jmcquown wrote:

> On 4/16/2021 7:18 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Friday, April 16, 2021 at 7:09:55 AM UTC-4, Lucretia Borgia
> > wrote:
> > > On Thu, 15 Apr 2021 20:03:36 -0500, "cshenk"
> > wrote:
> >
> > > > Yup! For me, a 'comfort height' is a lower one. At now 5ft (I've
> > > > shrunk due to spinal damage by 1.5 inches), 18 inches is best.
> > > > They have those really high ones in the disability stalls in
> > > > bathrooms. I end up perched with my feet dangling in the air.
> > > >
> > > > It's a real trial getting a GOOD computer chair too. The
> > > > manufacturers are so concerned about 6ft5in people, they forget
> > > > there are more 5ft or so folks than them.
> > > That's a load of crap! If I draw in a big breath and hold it, I
> > > can measure to 5' 1" and if you have knee or hip problems those
> > > 70s low rise toilets are ghastly! The manufacturers are NOT
> > > concerned with 6' 5" people, they are rightly catching up with
> > > the many people who have skeletal problems. I can only think if
> > > your feet are 'dangling' then you must be somehow wrongly
> > > proportioned with short legs or something.
> >
> > "Wrongly proportioned"? There's no "wrong".
> >
> > And 6'5" referred to computer chairs, not toilets.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> >
> Still, most computer chairs are adjustable. I'm 5'3" and the
> inexpensive chair I have can be raised up really high or set really
> low.
>
> Jill

I'm surrounded by midgets here.

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On Friday, April 16, 2021 at 3:52:26 PM UTC-5, Dr. Bruce wrote:
>
> I'm surrounded by midgets here.
>
I'm 5'5", is that considered midget stature?

wrote:

> On Friday, April 16, 2021 at 3:52:26 PM UTC-5, Dr. Bruce wrote:
> >
> > I'm surrounded by midgets here.
> >
> I'm 5'5", is that considered midget stature?

I think that for women life starts at 1.65 and for men at 1.75. That's
around 5.5 and 5.8. I know that doesn't apply to Asians and other
midget peoples.

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On Fri, 16 Apr 2021 16:35:50 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 4/16/2021 7:18 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Friday, April 16, 2021 at 7:09:55 AM UTC-4, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>> On Thu, 15 Apr 2021 20:03:36 -0500, "cshenk"
>>> > wrote:
>>
>>>> Yup! For me, a 'comfort height' is a lower one. At now 5ft (I've
>>>> shrunk due to spinal damage by 1.5 inches), 18 inches is best. They
>>>> have those really high ones in the disability stalls in bathrooms. I
>>>> end up perched with my feet dangling in the air.
>>>>
>>>> It's a real trial getting a GOOD computer chair too. The manufacturers
>>>> are so concerned about 6ft5in people, they forget there are more 5ft or
>>>> so folks than them.
>>> That's a load of crap! If I draw in a big breath and hold it, I can
>>> measure to 5' 1" and if you have knee or hip problems those 70s low
>>> rise toilets are ghastly! The manufacturers are NOT concerned with 6'
>>> 5" people, they are rightly catching up with the many people who have
>>> skeletal problems. I can only think if your feet are 'dangling' then
>>> you must be somehow wrongly proportioned with short legs or something.
>>
>> "Wrongly proportioned"? There's no "wrong".
>>
>> And 6'5" referred to computer chairs, not toilets.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>Still, most computer chairs are adjustable. I'm 5'3" and the
>inexpensive chair I have can be raised up really high or set really low.
>
>Jill

Mine was about $125 and I can adjust the height, the tilt etc. They
are very adjustable.

On 4/16/2021 5:56 PM, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Apr 2021 16:35:50 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 4/16/2021 7:18 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Friday, April 16, 2021 at 7:09:55 AM UTC-4, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 15 Apr 2021 20:03:36 -0500, "cshenk"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Yup! For me, a 'comfort height' is a lower one. At now 5ft (I've
>>>>> shrunk due to spinal damage by 1.5 inches), 18 inches is best. They
>>>>> have those really high ones in the disability stalls in bathrooms. I
>>>>> end up perched with my feet dangling in the air.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's a real trial getting a GOOD computer chair too. The manufacturers
>>>>> are so concerned about 6ft5in people, they forget there are more 5ft or
>>>>> so folks than them.
>>>> That's a load of crap! If I draw in a big breath and hold it, I can
>>>> measure to 5' 1" and if you have knee or hip problems those 70s low
>>>> rise toilets are ghastly! The manufacturers are NOT concerned with 6'
>>>> 5" people, they are rightly catching up with the many people who have
>>>> skeletal problems. I can only think if your feet are 'dangling' then
>>>> you must be somehow wrongly proportioned with short legs or something.
>>>
>>> "Wrongly proportioned"? There's no "wrong".
>>>
>>> And 6'5" referred to computer chairs, not toilets.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>> Still, most computer chairs are adjustable. I'm 5'3" and the
>> inexpensive chair I have can be raised up really high or set really low.
>>
>> Jill
>
> Mine was about $125 and I can adjust the height, the tilt etc. They
> are very adjustable.
>
I don't remember what I paid for the chair I use at the computer (it's
just a comfortable desk chair with arm rests). It was probably less
than you paid for yours. I bought it in 2007. It's nicely padded, has
lumbar support and can be lowered or raised with a simple touch of the
lever next to the seat while I'm still sitting on it.

Then again, I don't [yet] have mobility issues like Carol seems to have.

Jill

On Saturday, April 10, 2021 at 6:02:43 PM UTC-5, Geoff Rove wrote:
> These last few years I'd only use my garden grown pomederos.
> But with my gov. money I've resumed use grocery ones.

I also got a $4 pack of corn cobs from Trader Joes. Few stores had cobs in 2020, so I made it rain for the fancy cob growers.
The tomato supplies vary by store, Mexican, Canadian, Canadian corporation grown in Mex.

S Viemeister wrote:

> On 16/04/2021 12:09, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> > On Thu, 15 Apr 2021 20:03:36 -0500, "cshenk"
>
> > > Yup! For me, a 'comfort height' is a lower one. At now 5ft (I've
> > > shrunk due to spinal damage by 1.5 inches), 18 inches is best.
> > > They have those really high ones in the disability stalls in
> > > bathrooms. I end up perched with my feet dangling in the air.
> > >
> > > It's a real trial getting a GOOD computer chair too. The
> > > manufacturers are so concerned about 6ft5in people, they forget
> > > there are more 5ft or so folks than them.
> >
> > That's a load of crap! If I draw in a big breath and hold it, I can
> > measure to 5' 1" and if you have knee or hip problems those 70s low
> > rise toilets are ghastly! The manufacturers are NOT concerned with
> > 6' 5" people, they are rightly catching up with the many people who
> > have skeletal problems. I can only think if your feet are
> > 'dangling' then you must be somehow wrongly proportioned with short
> > legs or something.
> >
> There are many footrests like the Squatty Potty now being sold, some
> of them even fold, and have motion-sensitive LED lights in them...
> That would certainly solve the dangling feet problem.

Use a brain cell please. At 5ft tall, I am proportionally smaller
evenly (in my case) everywhere.

A measurement from heel to back of knee is 14.5 inches. I am pretty
sure if you are 6ft, it's more closer to 18 inches?

The 'handycapped' toilets seem to be about 17-18 inches in all the
stalls I have seen at work. I can manage them, but they are not at all
comfortable for me.

Dave Smith wrote:

> On 2021-04-16 1:00 p.m., Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> > On Fri, 16 Apr 2021 16:41:07 +0100, S Viemeister
>
> > > When my mother sold the family home, and moved into smaller
> > > quarters, she never considered that she might, later in life,
> > > have difficulty getting in and out of the tub in that tiny
> > > bathroom. Her last few years were difficult for her, and for
> > > those of us who cared for her. I was determined to learn from
> > > her mistakes, hence the design of our new shower room.
> >
> > I did the same with my bathroom here, took the old bath out and had
> > a big, glass doored, shower with seat put in. I love it. My
> > daughters pointed out I might have lowered the sale price on my
> > unit as many people want a bath as well, so I pointed out as I
> > wouldn't be the one selling it, ask me how much I care
> >
>
> I am surprised to hear how many people say they prefer showers to
> baths and would rather had a shower stall than a tub. I like the idea
> of a stall for showering, but I like to have a bath once in a while.
> I find them therapeutic. They are good for soothing sore muscles. I
> just hope that my shoulder does not deteriorate much more. I am not
> sure if it is arthritis or my rotator cuff, but it is starting to get
> more painful to hoist myself up out of the tub.
>
>
> If I ever do get a shower stall I will be sure to have a nice high
> lip around it. I had a rude surprise in a hotel in Denmark the first
> time I had a shower there. I had been travelling for close to 24
> hours and wanted to freshen up before meeting my friends for supper.
> I left my clothes on the floor, not realizing that the shower drain
> was by the edge of the shower area and there was no lip. My clothes
> got wet. I learned to undress in the room before going in for a
> shower. The lack of a lip was common to every hotel, motel and
> household bathroom that I saw there.

Smile, that is how it is in Japan if not a combined tub/shower type.
You actually wash off outside it (runs to the drain) then get in the
tub part for a soak.

Gary wrote:

> cshenk wrote:
> > Yup! For me, a 'comfort height' is a lower one. At now 5ft (I've
> > shrunk due to spinal damage by 1.5 inches), 18 inches is best. They
> > have those really high ones in the disability stalls in bathrooms.
> > I end up perched with my feet dangling in the air.
>
> lol. I'm 6'2" and my toilet seat is 15" high. It's pretty low.

Yeah, you'd probably be better with a higher one if it's just you.

jmcquown wrote:

> On 4/16/2021 7:18 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Friday, April 16, 2021 at 7:09:55 AM UTC-4, Lucretia Borgia
> > wrote:
> > > On Thu, 15 Apr 2021 20:03:36 -0500, "cshenk"
> > wrote:
> >
> > > > Yup! For me, a 'comfort height' is a lower one. At now 5ft (I've
> > > > shrunk due to spinal damage by 1.5 inches), 18 inches is best.
> > > > They have those really high ones in the disability stalls in
> > > > bathrooms. I end up perched with my feet dangling in the air.
> > > >
> > > > It's a real trial getting a GOOD computer chair too. The
> > > > manufacturers are so concerned about 6ft5in people, they forget
> > > > there are more 5ft or so folks than them.
> > > That's a load of crap! If I draw in a big breath and hold it, I
> > > can measure to 5' 1" and if you have knee or hip problems those
> > > 70s low rise toilets are ghastly! The manufacturers are NOT
> > > concerned with 6' 5" people, they are rightly catching up with
> > > the many people who have skeletal problems. I can only think if
> > > your feet are 'dangling' then you must be somehow wrongly
> > > proportioned with short legs or something.
> >
> > "Wrongly proportioned"? There's no "wrong".
> >
> > And 6'5" referred to computer chairs, not toilets.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> >
> Still, most computer chairs are adjustable. I'm 5'3" and the
> inexpensive chair I have can be raised up really high or set really
> low.
>
> Jill

Throw me a link to one that goes down to 15 inch if you can? Thats
been the problem finding. Top of seat at 15 inches (or less) above
floor.

It's a spinal issue to not be able to place a foot flat on the floor
when working for 8 hours in the chair.

wrote:

> On Friday, April 16, 2021 at 3:52:26 PM UTC-5, Dr. Bruce wrote:
> >
> > I'm surrounded by midgets here.
> >
> I'm 5'5", is that considered midget stature?

LOL, I call you tall people!

Anyways, yes, I am short. I never said otherwise. Always wanted to be
tall but it wasn't in the cards, dagnabbit.

jmcquown wrote:

> On 4/16/2021 5:56 PM, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> > On Fri, 16 Apr 2021 16:35:50 -0400, jmcquown >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On 4/16/2021 7:18 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > > On Friday, April 16, 2021 at 7:09:55 AM UTC-4, Lucretia Borgia
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > On Thu, 15 Apr 2021 20:03:36 -0500, "cshenk"
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > Yup! For me, a 'comfort height' is a lower one. At now 5ft
> > > > > > (I've shrunk due to spinal damage by 1.5 inches), 18 inches
> > > > > > is best. They have those really high ones in the disability
> > > > > > stalls in bathrooms. I end up perched with my feet dangling
> > > > > > in the air.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's a real trial getting a GOOD computer chair too. The
> > > > > > manufacturers are so concerned about 6ft5in people, they
> > > > > > forget there are more 5ft or so folks than them.
> > > > > That's a load of crap! If I draw in a big breath and hold it,
> > > > > I can measure to 5' 1" and if you have knee or hip problems
> > > > > those 70s low rise toilets are ghastly! The manufacturers are
> > > > > NOT concerned with 6' 5" people, they are rightly catching up
> > > > > with the many people who have skeletal problems. I can only
> > > > > think if your feet are 'dangling' then you must be somehow
> > > > > wrongly proportioned with short legs or something.
> > > >
> > > > "Wrongly proportioned"? There's no "wrong".
> > > >
> > > > And 6'5" referred to computer chairs, not toilets.
> > > >
> > > > Cindy Hamilton
> > > >
> > > Still, most computer chairs are adjustable. I'm 5'3" and the
> > > inexpensive chair I have can be raised up really high or set
> > > really low.
> > >
> > > Jill
> >
> > Mine was about $125 and I can adjust the height, the tilt etc. They
> > are very adjustable.
> >
> I don't remember what I paid for the chair I use at the computer
> (it's just a comfortable desk chair with arm rests). It was probably
> less than you paid for yours. I bought it in 2007. It's nicely
> padded, has lumbar support and can be lowered or raised with a simple
> touch of the lever next to the seat while I'm still sitting on it.
>
> Then again, I don't [yet] have mobility issues like Carol seems to
> have.
>
> Jill

True, and yes, all chairs generally raise and lower. The issue is 'how
low'. Most of them leave the top level where your back of knee fits
(when in lowest position) at 18 or 17 inches above ground.

That's 3-4 inches where my feet can't be flat on the ground. It's not
a cosmetic issue. It's a 'working on the computer 8 hours a day' issue
that makes the ergonomics bad for my back.

The other one that is ergonomically bad (causes spinal pain) is a seat
too long for the back of knee to spine. It doesnt *matter at all* how
much so called 'lumbar support' it has if it's 2-3 inches away from
where the back of your knee is snug to the chair and the back. Optimal
there for me is 16 inches (bit less totally acceptable).

Heck, we all have our trials. Finding a good chair for work is hardly
a blip in the microcosm of the world.

On 4/16/2021 10:50 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Friday, April 16, 2021 at 10:19:50 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>> On 4/16/2021 9:14 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Friday, April 16, 2021 at 7:32:17 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>>>> cshenk wrote:
>>>>> Yup! For me, a 'comfort height' is a lower one. At now 5ft (I've
>>>>> shrunk due to spinal damage by 1.5 inches), 18 inches is best. They
>>>>> have those really high ones in the disability stalls in bathrooms. I
>>>>> end up perched with my feet dangling in the air.
>>>> lol. I'm 6'2" and my toilet seat is 15" high. It's pretty low.
>>>
>>> You are a renter. You have no control over your toilet height or
>>> anything else.
>> So what? My toilet works fine.
>
> Sure, it does now. You're about one knee injury away from changing
> your tune.
>
> I felt the same as you until I blew out my knee in 2013.

That might be true but I don't ever worry about "what might happen
someday." And if it does happen someday, I'll deal with it.

For now, a low toilet exercises the leg muscles that support the knee.
Low impact exercising. Is my low toilet an exercise machine? lol

On Friday, April 16, 2021 at 4:32:28 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> On Friday, April 16, 2021 at 12:00:16 PM UTC-5, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> >
> > I did the same with my bathroom here, took the old bath out and had a
> > big, glass doored, shower with seat put in. I love it. My daughters
> > pointed out I might have lowered the sale price on my unit as many
> > people want a bath as well, so I pointed out as I wouldn't be the one
> > selling it, ask me how much I care
> >
> When I had my bathroom remodeled 3½ years ago I considered a nice
> walk-in shower with seat. However, this house being almost a hundred
> years old had a large double hung window right over the tub. I do appreciate
> the natural light when it comes to doing hair and makeup but it's too large
> for a shower to be installed in that area. It would have envolved interior
> as well as exterior construction to change the window to one of those
> narrow, high transom windows. I still got a shower with the remodel, it's
> just a shower in a seated position.
>
> Thirteen years ago when I had an addition added to the back of my
> house that included a full bathroom and walk-in closet I did opt for
> those transom windows. They're great! Lots of natural light in both
> rooms but privacy as they're a good 9-10 feet off the ground.

When they built my house in 1947 they put a window in the bathroom
in that same location. By the time I bought the house, some previous
owner had changed it out for wavy glass block, which afforded a decent
amount of privacy, and added a three-season porch that encompassed
that window.

When we remodeled, we put in a large, fixed pane of glass flush with
the shower surround, finished the window cavity with shelving, added
colorful art glass pieces on the shelves, and put an openable window
(hinged on the side) on the porch. One of the windows (I can't recall
which) is frosted.

Cindy Hamilton

On Friday, April 16, 2021 at 5:07:43 PM UTC-4, Dr. Bruce wrote:
> wrote:
>
> > On Friday, April 16, 2021 at 3:52:26 PM UTC-5, Dr. Bruce wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm surrounded by midgets here.
> > >
> > I'm 5'5", is that considered midget stature?
> I think that for women life starts at 1.65 and for men at 1.75. That's
> around 5.5 and 5.8. I know that doesn't apply to Asians and other
> midget peoples.

I'm 1.75.

Cindy Hamilton

Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> On Friday, April 16, 2021 at 5:07:43 PM UTC-4, Dr. Bruce wrote:
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Friday, April 16, 2021 at 3:52:26 PM UTC-5, Dr. Bruce wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'm surrounded by midgets here.
> > > >
> > > I'm 5'5", is that considered midget stature?
> > I think that for women life starts at 1.65 and for men at 1.75.
> > That's around 5.5 and 5.8. I know that doesn't apply to Asians and
> > other midget peoples.
>
> I'm 1.75.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

You're not in the midget zone.

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On Saturday, April 17, 2021 at 7:28:47 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> On 4/16/2021 10:50 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Friday, April 16, 2021 at 10:19:50 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> >> On 4/16/2021 9:14 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>> On Friday, April 16, 2021 at 7:32:17 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> >>>> cshenk wrote:
> >>>>> Yup! For me, a 'comfort height' is a lower one. At now 5ft (I've
> >>>>> shrunk due to spinal damage by 1.5 inches), 18 inches is best. They
> >>>>> have those really high ones in the disability stalls in bathrooms. I
> >>>>> end up perched with my feet dangling in the air.
> >>>> lol. I'm 6'2" and my toilet seat is 15" high. It's pretty low.
> >>>
> >>> You are a renter. You have no control over your toilet height or
> >>> anything else.
> >> So what? My toilet works fine.
> >
> > Sure, it does now. You're about one knee injury away from changing
> > your tune.
> >
> > I felt the same as you until I blew out my knee in 2013.
> That might be true but I don't ever worry about "what might happen
> someday."

No insurance? No retirement savings? No emergency fund of cash?

Cindy Hamilton

On 4/16/2021 4:58 PM, wrote:
> On Friday, April 16, 2021 at 3:52:26 PM UTC-5, Dr. Bruce wrote:
>>
>> I'm surrounded by midgets here.
>>
> I'm 5'5", is that considered midget stature?
>
That sounds normal for the average woman.