I've noticed that fewer bosses smoke in the building and stash liquor in the bottom desk drawer. I guess its because its not politically correct. Its still a shame.

On Wed, 14 Apr 2021 12:26:38 -0700 (PDT), bruce bowser
> wrote:

>I've noticed that fewer bosses smoke in the building and stash liquor in the bottom desk drawer. I guess its because its not politically correct. Its still a shame.

Depends if they're white or not. If white, it's a disgusting abuse of
privilege. Brown or Asian? Then they should be supported in their
quest to self-medicate from endemic racism in a white supremacist
society.

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On 4/14/2021 3:26 PM, bruce bowser wrote:
> I've noticed that fewer bosses smoke in the building and stash liquor in the bottom desk drawer. I guess its because its not politically correct. Its still a shame.
>


Many places would fire you for any alcohol. I always had wine in the
fridge at work. Nothing fancy, just a box of red and one of white.

On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 3:37:41 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 4/14/2021 3:26 PM, bruce bowser wrote:
> > I've noticed that fewer bosses smoke in the building and stash liquor in the bottom desk drawer. I guess its because its not politically correct. Its still a shame.
> >
> Many places would fire you for any alcohol. I always had wine in the
> fridge at work. Nothing fancy, just a box of red and one of white.

A couple times a year (pre-pandemic) the CEO would buy a case of beer and
treat us to one or two brewskis on a Friday afternoon.

Smokers are pariahs. I think we've only got one left at the company. The
others have retired and none of the young people smoke.

Cindy Hamilton

On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 2:37:41 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 4/14/2021 3:26 PM, bruce bowser wrote:
> > I've noticed that fewer bosses smoke in the building and stash liquor in the bottom desk drawer. I guess its because its not politically correct. Its still a shame.
> >
> Many places would fire you for any alcohol. I always had wine in the
> fridge at work. Nothing fancy, just a box of red and one of white.


Work culture - white collar at least - has really changed. I watch a lot of older movies, office/work drinking was often featured, as a butt of comedy, e.g. Pillow Talk, Will Success Spoil Rock Hunter? ...or as tragedy, e.g. The Days of Wine and Roses, The Apartment...

Lotsa ads in old issues of The New Yorker and the NY Times for those "portable" bars that executives apparently touted around on their travels, places like Hammacher Schlemer, Abercrombie & Fitch had some very snazzy offerings...

--
Best
Greg

On 4/14/2021 3:55 PM, GM wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 2:37:41 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 4/14/2021 3:26 PM, bruce bowser wrote:
>>> I've noticed that fewer bosses smoke in the building and stash liquor in the bottom desk drawer. I guess its because its not politically correct. Its still a shame.
>>>
>> Many places would fire you for any alcohol. I always had wine in the
>> fridge at work. Nothing fancy, just a box of red and one of white.
>
>
> Work culture - white collar at least - has really changed. I watch a lot of older movies, office/work drinking was often featured, as a butt of comedy, e.g. Pillow Talk, Will Success Spoil Rock Hunter? ...or as tragedy, e.g. The Days of Wine and Roses, The Apartment...
>
> Lotsa ads in old issues of The New Yorker and the NY Times for those "portable" bars that executives apparently touted around on their travels, places like Hammacher Schlemer, Abercrombie & Fitch had some very snazzy offerings...
>

Where my father worked in the late 1950s the two owners had offices side
by side, but another room in between. It had a well stocked wet bar for
when they had visitors.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> On 4/14/2021 3:55 PM, GM wrote:
> > On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 2:37:41 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski
> > wrote:
> > > On 4/14/2021 3:26 PM, bruce bowser wrote:
> > > > I've noticed that fewer bosses smoke in the building and stash
> > > > liquor in the bottom desk drawer. I guess its because its not
> > > > politically correct. Its still a shame.
> > > >
> > > Many places would fire you for any alcohol. I always had wine in
> > > the fridge at work. Nothing fancy, just a box of red and one of
> > > white.
> >
> >
> > Work culture - white collar at least - has really changed. I watch
> > a lot of older movies, office/work drinking was often featured, as
> > a butt of comedy, e.g. Pillow Talk, Will Success Spoil Rock Hunter?
> > ...or as tragedy, e.g. The Days of Wine and Roses, The Apartment...
> >
> > Lotsa ads in old issues of The New Yorker and the NY Times for
> > those "portable" bars that executives apparently touted around on
> > their travels, places like Hammacher Schlemer, Abercrombie & Fitch
> > had some very snazzy offerings...
> >
>
> Where my father worked in the late 1950s the two owners had offices
> side by side, but another room in between. It had a well stocked wet
> bar for when they had visitors.

Is a wet bar with alcohol and a dry bar with coca cola and orange juice?

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On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 2:43:49 PM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 3:37:41 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 4/14/2021 3:26 PM, bruce bowser wrote:
> > > I've noticed that fewer bosses smoke in the building and stash liquor in the bottom desk drawer. I guess its because its not politically correct. Its still a shame.
> > >
> > Many places would fire you for any alcohol. I always had wine in the
> > fridge at work. Nothing fancy, just a box of red and one of white.
> A couple times a year (pre-pandemic) the CEO would buy a case of beer and
> treat us to one or two brewskis on a Friday afternoon.
>
When I was 16, I worked at a car wash. On really slow days the owner would let
the older guy buy beer for us all, though we had to pay for it. That guy was
something else. He was Rainman to a tee, except that he also had Tourette's.
Among his oddities, he had an obsession with deodorant soaps and the
commercials for deodorant soaps. He'd say things like, "I like that new Life Bouy,"
out of the blue. He'd start fidgeting, then blurt out something like, "Irish Spring,"
or, "Coast."
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
--Bryan
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On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 3:37:44 PM UTC-5, Dr. Bruce wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> > On 4/14/2021 3:55 PM, GM wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 2:37:41 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski
> > > wrote:
> > > > On 4/14/2021 3:26 PM, bruce bowser wrote:
> > > > > I've noticed that fewer bosses smoke in the building and stash
> > > > > liquor in the bottom desk drawer. I guess its because its not
> > > > > politically correct. Its still a shame.
> > > > >
> > > > Many places would fire you for any alcohol. I always had wine in
> > > > the fridge at work. Nothing fancy, just a box of red and one of
> > > > white.
> > >
> > >
> > > Work culture - white collar at least - has really changed. I watch
> > > a lot of older movies, office/work drinking was often featured, as
> > > a butt of comedy, e.g. Pillow Talk, Will Success Spoil Rock Hunter?
> > > ...or as tragedy, e.g. The Days of Wine and Roses, The Apartment...
> > >
> > > Lotsa ads in old issues of The New Yorker and the NY Times for
> > > those "portable" bars that executives apparently touted around on
> > > their travels, places like Hammacher Schlemer, Abercrombie & Fitch
> > > had some very snazzy offerings...
> > >
> >
> > Where my father worked in the late 1950s the two owners had offices
> > side by side, but another room in between. It had a well stocked wet
> > bar for when they had visitors.
> Is a wet bar with alcohol and a dry bar with coca cola and orange juice?
>
That is correct.

> --
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--Bryan
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man nurse licked you?
For your safety and protection, this sig. has been thoroughly
tested on laboratory animals.

Bryan Simmons wrote:

> On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 3:37:44 PM UTC-5, Dr. Bruce wrote:
> > Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >
> > > On 4/14/2021 3:55 PM, GM wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 2:37:41 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > On 4/14/2021 3:26 PM, bruce bowser wrote:
> > > > > > I've noticed that fewer bosses smoke in the building and
> > > > > > stash liquor in the bottom desk drawer. I guess its because
> > > > > > its not politically correct. Its still a shame.
> > > > > >
> > > > > Many places would fire you for any alcohol. I always had wine
> > > > > in the fridge at work. Nothing fancy, just a box of red and
> > > > > one of white.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Work culture - white collar at least - has really changed. I
> > > > watch a lot of older movies, office/work drinking was often
> > > > featured, as a butt of comedy, e.g. Pillow Talk, Will Success
> > > > Spoil Rock Hunter? ...or as tragedy, e.g. The Days of Wine and
> > > > Roses, The Apartment...
> > > >
> > > > Lotsa ads in old issues of The New Yorker and the NY Times for
> > > > those "portable" bars that executives apparently touted around
> > > > on their travels, places like Hammacher Schlemer, Abercrombie &
> > > > Fitch had some very snazzy offerings...
> > > >
> > >
> > > Where my father worked in the late 1950s the two owners had
> > > offices side by side, but another room in between. It had a well
> > > stocked wet bar for when they had visitors.
> > Is a wet bar with alcohol and a dry bar with coca cola and orange
> > juice?
> >
> That is correct.

Thanks.

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On 4/14/2021 3:37 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 4/14/2021 3:26 PM, bruce bowser wrote:
>> I've noticed that fewer bosses smoke in the building and stash liquor
>> in the bottom desk drawer.Â* I guess its because its not politically
>> correct.Â* Its still a shame.
>>
>
>
> Many places would fire you for any alcohol.Â* I always had wine in the
> fridge at work.Â* Nothing fancy, just a box of red and one of white.

I worked for a small software company in the 1980's. The owner kept
beer in the office fridge and at Noon on Friday everyone was allowed to
have a beer or two.

Back in the 1990's I had some friends worked at the Coors Brewery which
had recently opened up shop in west TN. Used to be the employees were
allowed to drink company products on the job... until their insurance
company got wind of it. Huge liability issues! So they started giving
their employees a case of whatever product they wanted every Friday to
take home instead.

Jill

On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 4:20:24 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> On 4/14/2021 3:37 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 4/14/2021 3:26 PM, bruce bowser wrote:
> >> I've noticed that fewer bosses smoke in the building and stash liquor
> >> in the bottom desk drawer. I guess its because its not politically
> >> correct. Its still a shame.
> >>
> >
> >
> > Many places would fire you for any alcohol. I always had wine in the
> > fridge at work. Nothing fancy, just a box of red and one of white.
> I worked for a small software company in the 1980's. The owner kept
> beer in the office fridge and at Noon on Friday everyone was allowed to
> have a beer or two.
>
> Back in the 1990's I had some friends worked at the Coors Brewery which
> had recently opened up shop in west TN. Used to be the employees were
> allowed to drink company products on the job... until their insurance
> company got wind of it. Huge liability issues! So they started giving
> their employees a case of whatever product they wanted every Friday to
> take home instead.
>
Anheuser-Busch was the same way, though with their clout I'm sure they
could have gotten the State of Missouri to exempt breweries from any
liability associated with allowing employees to have a beer or two with
lunch, and it's not like you can get drunk on two Budweisers.
>
> Jill
>
--Bryan
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man nurse licked you?
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tested on laboratory animals.

On 4/14/2021 5:35 PM, Bryan Simmons wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 4:20:24 PM UTC-5, wrote:
>> On 4/14/2021 3:37 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 4/14/2021 3:26 PM, bruce bowser wrote:
>>>> I've noticed that fewer bosses smoke in the building and stash liquor
>>>> in the bottom desk drawer. I guess its because its not politically
>>>> correct. Its still a shame.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Many places would fire you for any alcohol. I always had wine in the
>>> fridge at work. Nothing fancy, just a box of red and one of white.
>> I worked for a small software company in the 1980's. The owner kept
>> beer in the office fridge and at Noon on Friday everyone was allowed to
>> have a beer or two.
>>
>> Back in the 1990's I had some friends worked at the Coors Brewery which
>> had recently opened up shop in west TN. Used to be the employees were
>> allowed to drink company products on the job... until their insurance
>> company got wind of it. Huge liability issues! So they started giving
>> their employees a case of whatever product they wanted every Friday to
>> take home instead.
>>
>> Jill
> Anheuser-Busch was the same way, though with their clout I'm sure they
> could have gotten the State of Missouri to exempt breweries from any
> liability associated with allowing employees to have a beer or two with
> lunch, and it's not like you can get drunk on two Budweisers.
>
> --Bryan


The State has very little to do with liability insurance purchased by a
company. Maybe you're thinking of Worker's Comp; who funds it varies by
State. At any rate, my friends who worked there told me some of the
guys on the line would start drinking at lunch and keep on going. NOT a
good idea.

Jill

On 2021-04-14 5:20 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
> On 4/14/2021 3:37 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

>> Many places would fire you for any alcohol.Â* I always had wine in the
>> fridge at work.Â* Nothing fancy, just a box of red and one of white.
>
> I worked for a small software company in the 1980's.Â* The owner kept
> beer in the office fridge and at Noon on Friday everyone was allowed to
> have a beer or two.
>
> Back in the 1990's I had some friends worked at the Coors Brewery which
> had recently opened up shop in west TN.Â* Used to be the employees were
> allowed to drink company products on the job... until their insurance
> company got wind of it.Â* Huge liability issues!Â* So they started giving
> their employees a case of whatever product they wanted every Friday to
> take home instead.
>


Aside from being a perk, there is a big advantage to employees getting
to eat or drink their products. It stops them from ****ing into the vats.

When I worked in the maintenance department we had some crews that did a
lot of boozing. Several of the patrol yards had a habit of a couple
beers on Friday afternoon. There was one where the booze came out after
lunch. Some of the specialty crews had a lot of liquid lunches.

The bridge crew was the worse. That was probably because the foreman
was a drunk. He showed up at our shop in his work vehicle on a day off.
He was half in the bag. He picked up a cement mixer to so some cement
work at home. Before he made it home he blew a stop sign and got T
boned, totalling the van and the mixer. He somehow managed not to get
fired. He lost his license so they arranged for a driver for him.

On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 3:36:25 PM UTC-4, Dr. Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Apr 2021 12:26:38 -0700 (PDT), bruce bowser
> > wrote:
>
> >I've noticed that fewer bosses smoke in the building and stash liquor in the bottom desk drawer. I guess its because its not politically correct. Its still a shame.
> Depends if they're white or not. If white, it's a disgusting abuse of
> privilege. Brown or Asian? Then they should be supported in their
> quest to self-medicate from endemic racism in a white supremacist
> society.

That very racism would get them snitched on, though. Everyone would rush to tell on the "scary black guy" as Fox News would say.

Bryan Simmons wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 4:20:24 PM UTC-5, wrote:
>> On 4/14/2021 3:37 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 4/14/2021 3:26 PM, bruce bowser wrote:
>>>> I've noticed that fewer bosses smoke in the building and stash liquor
>>>> in the bottom desk drawer. I guess its because its not politically
>>>> correct. Its still a shame.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Many places would fire you for any alcohol. I always had wine in the
>>> fridge at work. Nothing fancy, just a box of red and one of white.
>> I worked for a small software company in the 1980's. The owner kept
>> beer in the office fridge and at Noon on Friday everyone was allowed to
>> have a beer or two.
>>
>> Back in the 1990's I had some friends worked at the Coors Brewery which
>> had recently opened up shop in west TN. Used to be the employees were
>> allowed to drink company products on the job... until their insurance
>> company got wind of it. Huge liability issues! So they started giving
>> their employees a case of whatever product they wanted every Friday to
>> take home instead.
>>
> Anheuser-Busch was the same way, though with their clout I'm sure they
> could have gotten the State of Missouri to exempt breweries from any
> liability associated with allowing employees to have a beer or two with
> lunch, and it's not like you can get drunk on two Budweisers.
>>
>> Jill
>>
> --Bryan
> Sweet Little Fourteen, can you show us on the teddy where the
> man nurse licked you?
> For your safety and protection, this sig. has been thoroughly
> tested on laboratory animals.
>

A real employer in a good place (like Brooklyn new york) would give
each employee a gallon of crystal palace every day. The hell with
watered down beer.

On 4/14/2021 2:07 PM, Dr. Bruce wrote:
> Bryan Simmons wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 3:37:44 PM UTC-5, Dr. Bruce wrote:
>>> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 4/14/2021 3:55 PM, GM wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 2:37:41 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/14/2021 3:26 PM, bruce bowser wrote:
>>>>>>> I've noticed that fewer bosses smoke in the building and
>>>>>>> stash liquor in the bottom desk drawer. I guess its because
>>>>>>> its not politically correct. Its still a shame.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Many places would fire you for any alcohol. I always had wine
>>>>>> in the fridge at work. Nothing fancy, just a box of red and
>>>>>> one of white.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Work culture - white collar at least - has really changed. I
>>>>> watch a lot of older movies, office/work drinking was often
>>>>> featured, as a butt of comedy, e.g. Pillow Talk, Will Success
>>>>> Spoil Rock Hunter? ...or as tragedy, e.g. The Days of Wine and
>>>>> Roses, The Apartment...
>>>>>
>>>>> Lotsa ads in old issues of The New Yorker and the NY Times for
>>>>> those "portable" bars that executives apparently touted around
>>>>> on their travels, places like Hammacher Schlemer, Abercrombie &
>>>>> Fitch had some very snazzy offerings...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Where my father worked in the late 1950s the two owners had
>>>> offices side by side, but another room in between. It had a well
>>>> stocked wet bar for when they had visitors.
>>> Is a wet bar with alcohol and a dry bar with coca cola and orange
>>> juice?
>>>
>> That is correct.
>
> Thanks.
>


Of course that is not correct. A wet bar has running water. DUH.

On 2021-04-14 1:26 p.m., bruce bowser wrote:
> I've noticed that fewer bosses smoke in the building and stash liquor in the bottom desk drawer. I guess its because its not politically correct. Its still a shame.
>
When I became manager of a consulting company, I called in all the
smokers and told them that as of the following Monday, smoking was
banned in the office. The rest of the staff were really appreciative.
The office was one of the first in the city to institute such a ban.
Gradually over the next 5 years or so, all the oil companies and other
major companies went the same way.

Graham wrote:

> On 2021-04-14 1:26 p.m., bruce bowser wrote:
> > I've noticed that fewer bosses smoke in the building and stash
> > liquor in the bottom desk drawer. I guess its because its not
> > politically correct. Its still a shame.
> >
> When I became manager of a consulting company, I called in all the
> smokers and told them that as of the following Monday, smoking was
> banned in the office. The rest of the staff were really appreciative.
> The office was one of the first in the city to institute such a ban.
> Gradually over the next 5 years or so, all the oil companies and
> other major companies went the same way.

Do you mean the oil companies that provide the gas/petrol that causes
more air pollution than smoking?

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On 2021-04-14 2:35 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 4/14/2021 3:55 PM, GM wrote:
>> On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 2:37:41 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 4/14/2021 3:26 PM, bruce bowser wrote:
>>>> I've noticed that fewer bosses smoke in the building and stash
>>>> liquor in the bottom desk drawer. I guess its because its not
>>>> politically correct. Its still a shame.
>>>>
>>> Many places would fire you for any alcohol. I always had wine in the
>>> fridge at work. Nothing fancy, just a box of red and one of white.
>>
>>
>> Work culture - white collar at least - has really changed.Â* I watch a
>> lot of older movies, office/work drinking was often featured, as a
>> butt of comedy, e.g. Pillow Talk, Will Success Spoil Rock Hunter?
>> ...or as tragedy, e.g. The Days of Wine and Roses, The Apartment...
>>
>> Lotsa ads in old issues of The New Yorker and the NY Times for those
>> "portable" bars that executives apparently touted around on their
>> travels, places like Hammacher Schlemer, Abercrombie & Fitch had some
>> very snazzy offerings...
>>
>
> Where my father worked in the late 1950s the two owners had offices side
> by side, but another room in between.Â* It had a well stocked wet bar for
> when they had visitors.

We kept bottles of whisky locked up for visits from the chairman or COO
of the company. They were both alcoholics and would hit the booze when
we paused for the morning coffee break.
After a managers' meeting in the UK head office, we all went out to
dinner. The chairman arrived late as he had been at some government
committee meeting in London. He apologised for being late but said that
after the committee meeting, they had all been invited to tea with the
Queen. It didn't happen, it was all in his befuddled, alcoholic imagination.

Graham wrote:

> On 2021-04-14 2:35 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 4/14/2021 3:55 PM, GM wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 2:37:41 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski
> > > wrote:
> > > > On 4/14/2021 3:26 PM, bruce bowser wrote:
> > > > > I've noticed that fewer bosses smoke in the building and
> > > > > stash liquor in the bottom desk drawer. I guess its because
> > > > > its not politically correct. Its still a shame.
> > > > >
> > > > Many places would fire you for any alcohol. I always had wine
> > > > in the fridge at work. Nothing fancy, just a box of red and one
> > > > of white.
> > >
> > >
> > > Work culture - white collar at least - has really changed.Â* I
> > > watch a lot of older movies, office/work drinking was often
> > > featured, as a butt of comedy, e.g. Pillow Talk, Will Success
> > > Spoil Rock Hunter? ...or as tragedy, e.g. The Days of Wine and
> > > Roses, The Apartment...
> > >
> > > Lotsa ads in old issues of The New Yorker and the NY Times for
> > > those "portable" bars that executives apparently touted around
> > > on their travels, places like Hammacher Schlemer, Abercrombie &
> > > Fitch had some very snazzy offerings...
> > >
> >
> > Where my father worked in the late 1950s the two owners had offices
> > side by side, but another room in between.Â* It had a well stocked
> > wet bar for when they had visitors.
>
> We kept bottles of whisky locked up for visits from the chairman or
> COO of the company. They were both alcoholics and would hit the booze
> when we paused for the morning coffee break. After a managers'
> meeting in the UK head office, we all went out to dinner. The
> chairman arrived late as he had been at some government committee
> meeting in London. He apologised for being late but said that after
> the committee meeting, they had all been invited to tea with the
> Queen. It didn't happen, it was all in his befuddled, alcoholic
> imagination.

Lol, I can't imagine drinking enough to think I had tea with the Queen,
even though I have two! Maybe he was suffering from Korsakoff and
filled in gaps in his memory with random stuff.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confabulation

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On 2021-04-14 5:55 p.m., jmcquown wrote:

> The State has very little to do with liability insurance purchased by a
> company.Â* Maybe you're thinking of Worker's Comp; who funds it varies by
> State.Â* At any rate, my friends who worked there told me some of the
> guys on the line would start drinking at lunch and keep on going.Â* NOT a
> good idea.
>
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...rticle4144089/

An Ontario Superior Court judge has found an employer partly liable for
injuries suffered by a receptionist who drank at an office Christmas
party, drank more at a bar afterward, and then tried to drive home in a
snowstorm, ignoring offers of a ride.

In a 20-page judgment issued yesterday, Mr. Justice Clair Marchand said
Linda Hunt's boss noticed she was tipsy during the Friday-afternoon
party in a Barrie real-estate office in 1994, and failed in his duty to
keep her from harm.

The judge said it was not enough for the boss to offer to call her
husband and ask him to pick her up if she planned to keep drinking; it
was not enough to make a general offer of cab rides to employees, and it
did not get the boss off the hook when a co-worker offered Ms. Hunt a lift.

Ms. Hunt was convicted of impaired driving after losing control of her
four-wheel-drive vehicle on her way home and colliding with a truck. The
crash left her with severe injuries, including brain damage, and she is
unable to work.

In a lawsuit that has inspired television satire and irate letters to
newspapers, Judge Marchand found her 75-per-cent responsible for her
pain and financial loss.

He placed the remaining responsibility jointly on her employer, Sutton
Group Incentive Realty Inc., and the bar, P.J.'s Pub.

The bar has gone out of business without insurance coverage, leaving
Sutton Group liable for the 25-per-cent damages, calculated by the judge
at about $288,000 plus interest and legal costs.

Ms. Hunt's lawyer, Roger Oatley, and other personal-injury specialists
said it appeared to be the first time a Canadian court had held an
employer partly responsible for car-crash injuries suffered by an
employee who got drunk at a company social function. In 1999, a jury in
London, Ont., found a company partly liable for injuries suffered by a
second driver in an accident caused by a worker who had taken part in a
drinking session in a company parking lot.

In the Hunt case, Judge Marchand rejected the real-estate firm's
argument that taking Ms. Hunt's keys would have amounted to theft and
forcing her into a taxi would have been equivalent to kidnapping.

"I find that had her employer insisted on her leaving the keys at the
office or on her taking a cab home at his expense, if indeed he was
prepared to do so, [it]would have resulted in the plaintiff having no
alternative but to accept. Furthermore, he could easily have phoned her
husband to come and pick her up. He could even have called police if
need be."

Moreover, the employer "ought to have foreseen that, by maintaining an
open and unsupervised bar, he would be incapable of monitoring the
alcohol consumption of his employee, which led to her danger," he said.

Don Jerry, owner and president of the firm, said yesterday he is angry
about the outcome of the trial, which ended in October.

"Based on this decision, nobody should ever, ever buy another person a
drink, because you might get sued," he said. "Why do they even have a
drinking age? If people can't be held responsible for their own actions,
then maybe the age should be raised to 100."

He said he will ask his insurance company to appeal the decision on
grounds that Judge Marchand dismissed the jury in mid-trial.

The judge accepted a request from Ms. Hunt's lawyers to try the case
without a jury because of the media glare and the complexity of the
evidence. Letters to newspapers had suggested that Ms. Hunt was trying
to shift blame for her own actions, and her claim was the subject of a
Royal Canadian Air Farce joke.

Mr. Jerry said he is sure the jury would have approved of his efforts to
stop Ms. Hunt from drinking and driving. He said it was not his fault
that she went to a bar to continue drinking.

"The jury was made up of people like you and I," he said. "They had the
common sense to know you don't go suing somebody because you drank too
much."

At her Wasaga Beach home yesterday, Ms. Hunt, who swears she will never
drink alcohol again, said she accepts most of the responsibility for her
drunken actions.

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On 15 Apr 2021 00:53:18 GMT, "Dr. Bruce" >
wrote:

>Graham wrote:
>
>> On 2021-04-14 1:26 p.m., bruce bowser wrote:
>> > I've noticed that fewer bosses smoke in the building and stash
>> > liquor in the bottom desk drawer. I guess its because its not
>> > politically correct. Its still a shame.
>> >
>> When I became manager of a consulting company, I called in all the
>> smokers and told them that as of the following Monday, smoking was
>> banned in the office. The rest of the staff were really appreciative.
>> The office was one of the first in the city to institute such a ban.
>> Gradually over the next 5 years or so, all the oil companies and
>> other major companies went the same way.
>
>Do you mean the oil companies that provide the gas/petrol that causes
>more air pollution than smoking?

I do wonder what, exactly, 'Bruce' has contributed to society? It must
have been gargantuan, going by the ivory tower he resides in.

On 4/14/2021 8:53 PM, Dr. Bruce wrote:
> Graham wrote:
>
>> On 2021-04-14 1:26 p.m., bruce bowser wrote:
>>> I've noticed that fewer bosses smoke in the building and stash
>>> liquor in the bottom desk drawer. I guess its because its not
>>> politically correct. Its still a shame.
>>>
>> When I became manager of a consulting company, I called in all the
>> smokers and told them that as of the following Monday, smoking was
>> banned in the office. The rest of the staff were really appreciative.
>> The office was one of the first in the city to institute such a ban.
>> Gradually over the next 5 years or so, all the oil companies and
>> other major companies went the same way.
>
> Do you mean the oil companies that provide the gas/petrol that causes
> more air pollution than smoking?

I turned "greener" 3 weeks ago. I only used my van about 2-3 miles a
week. Had been planning to get rid of it by end of May before inspection
time but it broke 3 weeks ago, and not worth fixing for the little
driving that I do.

I've never been without a vehicle to drive but, since the weather is
getting nicer, I'm going to try using a bicycle and occasional taxi or
Uber to see how that works out for me.

If it sucks, I'll buy some old car again.

On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 10:16:01 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2021-04-14 5:55 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>
> > The State has very little to do with liability insurance purchased by a
> > company. Maybe you're thinking of Worker's Comp; who funds it varies by
> > State. At any rate, my friends who worked there told me some of the
> > guys on the line would start drinking at lunch and keep on going. NOT a
> > good idea.
> >
> https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...rticle4144089/
>
> An Ontario Superior Court judge has found an employer partly liable for
> injuries suffered by a receptionist who drank at an office Christmas
> party, drank more at a bar afterward, and then tried to drive home in a
> snowstorm, ignoring offers of a ride.
>
> In a 20-page judgment issued yesterday, Mr. Justice Clair Marchand said
> Linda Hunt's boss noticed she was tipsy during the Friday-afternoon
> party in a Barrie real-estate office in 1994, and failed in his duty to
> keep her from harm.
>
> The judge said it was not enough for the boss to offer to call her
> husband and ask him to pick her up if she planned to keep drinking; it
> was not enough to make a general offer of cab rides to employees, and it
> did not get the boss off the hook when a co-worker offered Ms. Hunt a lift.
>
> Ms. Hunt was convicted of impaired driving after losing control of her
> four-wheel-drive vehicle on her way home and colliding with a truck. The
> crash left her with severe injuries, including brain damage, and she is
> unable to work.
>
> In a lawsuit that has inspired television satire and irate letters to
> newspapers, Judge Marchand found her 75-per-cent responsible for her
> pain and financial loss.
>
> He placed the remaining responsibility jointly on her employer, Sutton
> Group Incentive Realty Inc., and the bar, P.J.'s Pub.
>
> The bar has gone out of business without insurance coverage, leaving
> Sutton Group liable for the 25-per-cent damages, calculated by the judge
> at about $288,000 plus interest and legal costs.
>
> Ms. Hunt's lawyer, Roger Oatley, and other personal-injury specialists
> said it appeared to be the first time a Canadian court had held an
> employer partly responsible for car-crash injuries suffered by an
> employee who got drunk at a company social function. In 1999, a jury in
> London, Ont., found a company partly liable for injuries suffered by a
> second driver in an accident caused by a worker who had taken part in a
> drinking session in a company parking lot.
>
> In the Hunt case, Judge Marchand rejected the real-estate firm's
> argument that taking Ms. Hunt's keys would have amounted to theft and
> forcing her into a taxi would have been equivalent to kidnapping.
>
> "I find that had her employer insisted on her leaving the keys at the
> office or on her taking a cab home at his expense, if indeed he was
> prepared to do so, [it]would have resulted in the plaintiff having no
> alternative but to accept. Furthermore, he could easily have phoned her
> husband to come and pick her up. He could even have called police if
> need be."
>
> Moreover, the employer "ought to have foreseen that, by maintaining an
> open and unsupervised bar, he would be incapable of monitoring the
> alcohol consumption of his employee, which led to her danger," he said.
>
> Don Jerry, owner and president of the firm, said yesterday he is angry
> about the outcome of the trial, which ended in October.
>
> "Based on this decision, nobody should ever, ever buy another person a
> drink, because you might get sued," he said. "Why do they even have a
> drinking age? If people can't be held responsible for their own actions,
> then maybe the age should be raised to 100."
>
> He said he will ask his insurance company to appeal the decision on
> grounds that Judge Marchand dismissed the jury in mid-trial.
>
> The judge accepted a request from Ms. Hunt's lawyers to try the case
> without a jury because of the media glare and the complexity of the
> evidence. Letters to newspapers had suggested that Ms. Hunt was trying
> to shift blame for her own actions, and her claim was the subject of a
> Royal Canadian Air Farce joke.
>
> Mr. Jerry said he is sure the jury would have approved of his efforts to
> stop Ms. Hunt from drinking and driving. He said it was not his fault
> that she went to a bar to continue drinking.
>
> "The jury was made up of people like you and I," he said. "They had the
> common sense to know you don't go suing somebody because you drank too
> much."
>
> At her Wasaga Beach home yesterday, Ms. Hunt, who swears she will never
> drink alcohol again, said she accepts most of the responsibility for her
> drunken actions.

The employer will probably win on appeal.

On 4/15/2021 10:48 AM, bruce bowser wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 10:16:01 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2021-04-14 5:55 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>> The State has very little to do with liability insurance purchased by a
>>> company. Maybe you're thinking of Worker's Comp; who funds it varies by
>>> State. At any rate, my friends who worked there told me some of the
>>> guys on the line would start drinking at lunch and keep on going. NOT a
>>> good idea.
>>>
>> https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...rticle4144089/
>>
>> An Ontario Superior Court judge has found an employer partly liable for
>> injuries suffered by a receptionist who drank at an office Christmas
>> party, drank more at a bar afterward, and then tried to drive home in a
>> snowstorm, ignoring offers of a ride.
>>
>> In a 20-page judgment issued yesterday, Mr. Justice Clair Marchand said
>> Linda Hunt's boss noticed she was tipsy during the Friday-afternoon
>> party in a Barrie real-estate office in 1994, and failed in his duty to
>> keep her from harm.
>>
>> The judge said it was not enough for the boss to offer to call her
>> husband and ask him to pick her up if she planned to keep drinking; it
>> was not enough to make a general offer of cab rides to employees, and it
>> did not get the boss off the hook when a co-worker offered Ms. Hunt a lift.
>>
>> Ms. Hunt was convicted of impaired driving after losing control of her
>> four-wheel-drive vehicle on her way home and colliding with a truck. The
>> crash left her with severe injuries, including brain damage, and she is
>> unable to work.
>>
>> In a lawsuit that has inspired television satire and irate letters to
>> newspapers, Judge Marchand found her 75-per-cent responsible for her
>> pain and financial loss.
>>
>> He placed the remaining responsibility jointly on her employer, Sutton
>> Group Incentive Realty Inc., and the bar, P.J.'s Pub.
>>
>> The bar has gone out of business without insurance coverage, leaving
>> Sutton Group liable for the 25-per-cent damages, calculated by the judge
>> at about $288,000 plus interest and legal costs.
>>
>> Ms. Hunt's lawyer, Roger Oatley, and other personal-injury specialists
>> said it appeared to be the first time a Canadian court had held an
>> employer partly responsible for car-crash injuries suffered by an
>> employee who got drunk at a company social function. In 1999, a jury in
>> London, Ont., found a company partly liable for injuries suffered by a
>> second driver in an accident caused by a worker who had taken part in a
>> drinking session in a company parking lot.
>>
>> In the Hunt case, Judge Marchand rejected the real-estate firm's
>> argument that taking Ms. Hunt's keys would have amounted to theft and
>> forcing her into a taxi would have been equivalent to kidnapping.
>>
>> "I find that had her employer insisted on her leaving the keys at the
>> office or on her taking a cab home at his expense, if indeed he was
>> prepared to do so, [it]would have resulted in the plaintiff having no
>> alternative but to accept. Furthermore, he could easily have phoned her
>> husband to come and pick her up. He could even have called police if
>> need be."
>>
>> Moreover, the employer "ought to have foreseen that, by maintaining an
>> open and unsupervised bar, he would be incapable of monitoring the
>> alcohol consumption of his employee, which led to her danger," he said.
>>
>> Don Jerry, owner and president of the firm, said yesterday he is angry
>> about the outcome of the trial, which ended in October.
>>
>> "Based on this decision, nobody should ever, ever buy another person a
>> drink, because you might get sued," he said. "Why do they even have a
>> drinking age? If people can't be held responsible for their own actions,
>> then maybe the age should be raised to 100."
>>
>> He said he will ask his insurance company to appeal the decision on
>> grounds that Judge Marchand dismissed the jury in mid-trial.
>>
>> The judge accepted a request from Ms. Hunt's lawyers to try the case
>> without a jury because of the media glare and the complexity of the
>> evidence. Letters to newspapers had suggested that Ms. Hunt was trying
>> to shift blame for her own actions, and her claim was the subject of a
>> Royal Canadian Air Farce joke.
>>
>> Mr. Jerry said he is sure the jury would have approved of his efforts to
>> stop Ms. Hunt from drinking and driving. He said it was not his fault
>> that she went to a bar to continue drinking.
>>
>> "The jury was made up of people like you and I," he said. "They had the
>> common sense to know you don't go suing somebody because you drank too
>> much."
>>
>> At her Wasaga Beach home yesterday, Ms. Hunt, who swears she will never
>> drink alcohol again, said she accepts most of the responsibility for her
>> drunken actions.
>
> The employer will probably win on appeal.
>

If he hasn't won on appeal by now, he never will. The court decision
was handed down 20 years ago.

On 2021-04-15 1:48 p.m., bruce bowser wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 10:16:01 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
much."
>>
>> At her Wasaga Beach home yesterday, Ms. Hunt, who swears she will never
>> drink alcohol again, said she accepts most of the responsibility for her
>> drunken actions.
>
> The employer will probably win on appeal.
>

It was appealed and there was an out of court settlement.

I think it sucks. They had offered her a ride. They had offered her a
taxi. She declined. She was not drunk at the company party. She got
drunk at the bar.

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On Thursday, April 15, 2021 at 1:54:22 PM UTC-4, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> On 4/15/2021 10:48 AM, bruce bowser wrote:
> > On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 10:16:01 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> On 2021-04-14 5:55 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
> >>
> >>> The State has very little to do with liability insurance purchased by a
> >>> company. Maybe you're thinking of Worker's Comp; who funds it varies by
> >>> State. At any rate, my friends who worked there told me some of the
> >>> guys on the line would start drinking at lunch and keep on going. NOT a
> >>> good idea.
> >>>
> >> https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...rticle4144089/
> >>
> >> An Ontario Superior Court judge has found an employer partly liable for
> >> injuries suffered by a receptionist who drank at an office Christmas
> >> party, drank more at a bar afterward, and then tried to drive home in a
> >> snowstorm, ignoring offers of a ride.
> >>
> >> In a 20-page judgment issued yesterday, Mr. Justice Clair Marchand said
> >> Linda Hunt's boss noticed she was tipsy during the Friday-afternoon
> >> party in a Barrie real-estate office in 1994, and failed in his duty to
> >> keep her from harm.
> >>
> >> The judge said it was not enough for the boss to offer to call her
> >> husband and ask him to pick her up if she planned to keep drinking; it
> >> was not enough to make a general offer of cab rides to employees, and it
> >> did not get the boss off the hook when a co-worker offered Ms. Hunt a lift.
> >>
> >> Ms. Hunt was convicted of impaired driving after losing control of her
> >> four-wheel-drive vehicle on her way home and colliding with a truck. The
> >> crash left her with severe injuries, including brain damage, and she is
> >> unable to work.
> >>
> >> In a lawsuit that has inspired television satire and irate letters to
> >> newspapers, Judge Marchand found her 75-per-cent responsible for her
> >> pain and financial loss.
> >>
> >> He placed the remaining responsibility jointly on her employer, Sutton
> >> Group Incentive Realty Inc., and the bar, P.J.'s Pub.
> >>
> >> The bar has gone out of business without insurance coverage, leaving
> >> Sutton Group liable for the 25-per-cent damages, calculated by the judge
> >> at about $288,000 plus interest and legal costs.
> >>
> >> Ms. Hunt's lawyer, Roger Oatley, and other personal-injury specialists
> >> said it appeared to be the first time a Canadian court had held an
> >> employer partly responsible for car-crash injuries suffered by an
> >> employee who got drunk at a company social function. In 1999, a jury in
> >> London, Ont., found a company partly liable for injuries suffered by a
> >> second driver in an accident caused by a worker who had taken part in a
> >> drinking session in a company parking lot.
> >>
> >> In the Hunt case, Judge Marchand rejected the real-estate firm's
> >> argument that taking Ms. Hunt's keys would have amounted to theft and
> >> forcing her into a taxi would have been equivalent to kidnapping.
> >>
> >> "I find that had her employer insisted on her leaving the keys at the
> >> office or on her taking a cab home at his expense, if indeed he was
> >> prepared to do so, [it]would have resulted in the plaintiff having no
> >> alternative but to accept. Furthermore, he could easily have phoned her
> >> husband to come and pick her up. He could even have called police if
> >> need be."
> >>
> >> Moreover, the employer "ought to have foreseen that, by maintaining an
> >> open and unsupervised bar, he would be incapable of monitoring the
> >> alcohol consumption of his employee, which led to her danger," he said.
> >>
> >> Don Jerry, owner and president of the firm, said yesterday he is angry
> >> about the outcome of the trial, which ended in October.
> >>
> >> "Based on this decision, nobody should ever, ever buy another person a
> >> drink, because you might get sued," he said. "Why do they even have a
> >> drinking age? If people can't be held responsible for their own actions,
> >> then maybe the age should be raised to 100."
> >>
> >> He said he will ask his insurance company to appeal the decision on
> >> grounds that Judge Marchand dismissed the jury in mid-trial.
> >>
> >> The judge accepted a request from Ms. Hunt's lawyers to try the case
> >> without a jury because of the media glare and the complexity of the
> >> evidence. Letters to newspapers had suggested that Ms. Hunt was trying
> >> to shift blame for her own actions, and her claim was the subject of a
> >> Royal Canadian Air Farce joke.
> >>
> >> Mr. Jerry said he is sure the jury would have approved of his efforts to
> >> stop Ms. Hunt from drinking and driving. He said it was not his fault
> >> that she went to a bar to continue drinking.
> >>
> >> "The jury was made up of people like you and I," he said. "They had the
> >> common sense to know you don't go suing somebody because you drank too
> >> much."
> >>
> >> At her Wasaga Beach home yesterday, Ms. Hunt, who swears she will never
> >> drink alcohol again, said she accepts most of the responsibility for her
> >> drunken actions.
> >
> > The employer will probably win on appeal.
> >
> If he hasn't won on appeal by now, he never will. The court decision
> was handed down 20 years ago.

The article still quoted that the employer: "said he will ask his insurance company to appeal the decision". Who knows whether he did or not,

On 4/15/2021 11:50 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2021-04-15 1:48 p.m., bruce bowser wrote:
>> On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 10:16:01 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> much."
>>>
>>> At her Wasaga Beach home yesterday, Ms. Hunt, who swears she will never
>>> drink alcohol again, said she accepts most of the responsibility for her
>>> drunken actions.
>>
>> The employer will probably win on appeal.
>>
>
> It was appealed and there was an out of court settlement.
>
> I think it sucks. They had offered her a ride. They had offered her a
> taxi. She declined. She was not drunk at the company party. She got
> drunk at the bar.
>


They are just looking for pockets to pick.

On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 7:17:03 PM UTC-5, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> On 4/14/2021 2:07 PM, Dr. Bruce wrote:
> > Bryan Simmons wrote:
> >
> >> On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 3:37:44 PM UTC-5, Dr. Bruce wrote:
> >>> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 4/14/2021 3:55 PM, GM wrote:
> >>>>> On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 2:37:41 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> On 4/14/2021 3:26 PM, bruce bowser wrote:
> >>>>>>> I've noticed that fewer bosses smoke in the building and
> >>>>>>> stash liquor in the bottom desk drawer. I guess its because
> >>>>>>> its not politically correct. Its still a shame.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> Many places would fire you for any alcohol. I always had wine
> >>>>>> in the fridge at work. Nothing fancy, just a box of red and
> >>>>>> one of white.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Work culture - white collar at least - has really changed. I
> >>>>> watch a lot of older movies, office/work drinking was often
> >>>>> featured, as a butt of comedy, e.g. Pillow Talk, Will Success
> >>>>> Spoil Rock Hunter? ...or as tragedy, e.g. The Days of Wine and
> >>>>> Roses, The Apartment...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Lotsa ads in old issues of The New Yorker and the NY Times for
> >>>>> those "portable" bars that executives apparently touted around
> >>>>> on their travels, places like Hammacher Schlemer, Abercrombie &
> >>>>> Fitch had some very snazzy offerings...
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Where my father worked in the late 1950s the two owners had
> >>>> offices side by side, but another room in between. It had a well
> >>>> stocked wet bar for when they had visitors.
> >>> Is a wet bar with alcohol and a dry bar with coca cola and orange
> >>> juice?
> >>>
> >> That is correct.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> Of course that is not correct. A wet bar has running water. DUH.
>
A stupid question deserved a stupid answer.

--Bryan

Bryan Simmons wrote:

> On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 7:17:03 PM UTC-5, Taxed and Spent
> wrote:
> > On 4/14/2021 2:07 PM, Dr. Bruce wrote:
> > > Bryan Simmons wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 3:37:44 PM UTC-5, Dr. Bruce
> > wrote: >>> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> On 4/14/2021 3:55 PM, GM wrote:
> > >>>>> On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 2:37:41 PM UTC-5, Ed
> > Pawlowski >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>> On 4/14/2021 3:26 PM, bruce bowser wrote:
> > >>>>>>> I've noticed that fewer bosses smoke in the building and
> > >>>>>>> stash liquor in the bottom desk drawer. I guess its because
> > >>>>>>> its not politically correct. Its still a shame.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Many places would fire you for any alcohol. I always had
> > wine >>>>>> in the fridge at work. Nothing fancy, just a box of red
> > and >>>>>> one of white.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Work culture - white collar at least - has really changed. I
> > >>>>> watch a lot of older movies, office/work drinking was often
> > >>>>> featured, as a butt of comedy, e.g. Pillow Talk, Will Success
> > >>>>> Spoil Rock Hunter? ...or as tragedy, e.g. The Days of Wine
> > and >>>>> Roses, The Apartment...
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Lotsa ads in old issues of The New Yorker and the NY Times
> > for >>>>> those "portable" bars that executives apparently touted
> > around >>>>> on their travels, places like Hammacher Schlemer,
> > Abercrombie & >>>>> Fitch had some very snazzy offerings...
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Where my father worked in the late 1950s the two owners had
> > >>>> offices side by side, but another room in between. It had a
> > well >>>> stocked wet bar for when they had visitors.
> > >>> Is a wet bar with alcohol and a dry bar with coca cola and
> > orange >>> juice?
> > >>>
> > >> That is correct.
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > Of course that is not correct. A wet bar has running water. DUH.
> >
> A stupid question deserved a stupid answer.
>
> --Bryan

Considering the US' anally retentive puritanism, where cider contains
no alcohol etc, "wet bar" could mean anything as far as I'm concerned.

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On 15 Apr 2021 20:33:13 GMT, "Dr. Bruce" >
wrote:

>Bryan Simmons wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 7:17:03 PM UTC-5, Taxed and Spent
>> wrote:
>> > On 4/14/2021 2:07 PM, Dr. Bruce wrote:
>> > > Bryan Simmons wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 3:37:44 PM UTC-5, Dr. Bruce
>> > wrote: >>> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>>> On 4/14/2021 3:55 PM, GM wrote:
>> > >>>>> On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 2:37:41 PM UTC-5, Ed
>> > Pawlowski >>>>> wrote:
>> > >>>>>> On 4/14/2021 3:26 PM, bruce bowser wrote:
>> > >>>>>>> I've noticed that fewer bosses smoke in the building and
>> > >>>>>>> stash liquor in the bottom desk drawer. I guess its because
>> > >>>>>>> its not politically correct. Its still a shame.
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> Many places would fire you for any alcohol. I always had
>> > wine >>>>>> in the fridge at work. Nothing fancy, just a box of red
>> > and >>>>>> one of white.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Work culture - white collar at least - has really changed. I
>> > >>>>> watch a lot of older movies, office/work drinking was often
>> > >>>>> featured, as a butt of comedy, e.g. Pillow Talk, Will Success
>> > >>>>> Spoil Rock Hunter? ...or as tragedy, e.g. The Days of Wine
>> > and >>>>> Roses, The Apartment...
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Lotsa ads in old issues of The New Yorker and the NY Times
>> > for >>>>> those "portable" bars that executives apparently touted
>> > around >>>>> on their travels, places like Hammacher Schlemer,
>> > Abercrombie & >>>>> Fitch had some very snazzy offerings...
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Where my father worked in the late 1950s the two owners had
>> > >>>> offices side by side, but another room in between. It had a
>> > well >>>> stocked wet bar for when they had visitors.
>> > >>> Is a wet bar with alcohol and a dry bar with coca cola and
>> > orange >>> juice?
>> > >>>
>> > >> That is correct.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks.
>> > >
>> > Of course that is not correct. A wet bar has running water. DUH.
>> >
>> A stupid question deserved a stupid answer.
>>
>> --Bryan
>
>Considering the US' anally retentive puritanism, where cider contains
>no alcohol etc, "wet bar" could mean anything as far as I'm concerned.

Yes. Bruce is a shining example of being an open minded, caring
person. And he's certainly not bigoted at all! No Way!! ;-)

Dr. Bruce wrote:
> Bryan Simmons wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 7:17:03 PM UTC-5, Taxed and Spent
>> wrote:
>>> On 4/14/2021 2:07 PM, Dr. Bruce wrote:
>>>> Bryan Simmons wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 3:37:44 PM UTC-5, Dr. Bruce
>>> wrote: >>> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/14/2021 3:55 PM, GM wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 2:37:41 PM UTC-5, Ed
>>> Pawlowski >>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 4/14/2021 3:26 PM, bruce bowser wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I've noticed that fewer bosses smoke in the building and
>>>>>>>>>> stash liquor in the bottom desk drawer. I guess its because
>>>>>>>>>> its not politically correct. Its still a shame.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Many places would fire you for any alcohol. I always had
>>> wine >>>>>> in the fridge at work. Nothing fancy, just a box of red
>>> and >>>>>> one of white.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Work culture - white collar at least - has really changed. I
>>>>>>>> watch a lot of older movies, office/work drinking was often
>>>>>>>> featured, as a butt of comedy, e.g. Pillow Talk, Will Success
>>>>>>>> Spoil Rock Hunter? ...or as tragedy, e.g. The Days of Wine
>>> and >>>>> Roses, The Apartment...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lotsa ads in old issues of The New Yorker and the NY Times
>>> for >>>>> those "portable" bars that executives apparently touted
>>> around >>>>> on their travels, places like Hammacher Schlemer,
>>> Abercrombie & >>>>> Fitch had some very snazzy offerings...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where my father worked in the late 1950s the two owners had
>>>>>>> offices side by side, but another room in between. It had a
>>> well >>>> stocked wet bar for when they had visitors.
>>>>>> Is a wet bar with alcohol and a dry bar with coca cola and
>>> orange >>> juice?
>>>>>>
>>>>> That is correct.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>> Of course that is not correct. A wet bar has running water. DUH.
>>>
>> A stupid question deserved a stupid answer.
>>
>> --Bryan
>
> Considering the US' anally retentive puritanism, where cider contains
> no alcohol etc, "wet bar" could mean anything as far as I'm concerned.
>

A wet bar is a fixture where a pedophile nurse washes the semen off
the basket bear.

The child (patient) never knows of the molestation.

On Wed, 14 Apr 2021 12:43:45 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 3:37:41 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 4/14/2021 3:26 PM, bruce bowser wrote:
>>> I've noticed that fewer bosses smoke in the building and stash liquor in the bottom desk drawer. I guess its because its not politically correct. Its still a shame.
>>>
>> Many places would fire you for any alcohol. I always had wine in the
>> fridge at work. Nothing fancy, just a box of red and one of white.
>
> A couple times a year (pre-pandemic) the CEO would buy a case of beer and
> treat us to one or two brewskis on a Friday afternoon.

The Santa Cruz Operation 1995-2000: About 350 Employees in Santa
Cruz. Last Friday of every month we had a full keg (usually Anchor
Steam) and assorted bottled beers and wine in one of the various 4
buildings or courtyards on Encinal or Pioneer streets.

> Smokers are pariahs. I think we've only got one left at the company. The
> others have retired and none of the young people smoke.

But many "vape" probably.

-sw

On Thu, 15 Apr 2021 08:00:26 -0400, Gary wrote:

> I've never been without a vehicle to drive but, since the weather is
> getting nicer, I'm going to try using a bicycle and occasional taxi or
> Uber to see how that works out for me.

So you're finally using a smartphone?

-sw

Gary wrote:

> On 4/14/2021 8:53 PM, Dr. Bruce wrote:
> > Graham wrote:
> >
> > > On 2021-04-14 1:26 p.m., bruce bowser wrote:
> > > > I've noticed that fewer bosses smoke in the building and stash
> > > > liquor in the bottom desk drawer. I guess its because its not
> > > > politically correct. Its still a shame.
> > > >
> > > When I became manager of a consulting company, I called in all the
> > > smokers and told them that as of the following Monday, smoking was
> > > banned in the office. The rest of the staff were really
> > > appreciative. The office was one of the first in the city to
> > > institute such a ban. Gradually over the next 5 years or so, all
> > > the oil companies and other major companies went the same way.
> >
> > Do you mean the oil companies that provide the gas/petrol that
> > causes more air pollution than smoking?
>
> I turned "greener" 3 weeks ago. I only used my van about 2-3 miles a
> week. Had been planning to get rid of it by end of May before
> inspection time but it broke 3 weeks ago, and not worth fixing for
> the little driving that I do.
>
> I've never been without a vehicle to drive but, since the weather is
> getting nicer, I'm going to try using a bicycle and occasional taxi
> or Uber to see how that works out for me.

Gary, you typed the word 'taxi'. That's $25, excluding sales tax. You
are now going into anaphylactic shock.

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On Thursday, April 15, 2021 at 11:41:49 PM UTC-4, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Apr 2021 12:43:45 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 3:37:41 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >> On 4/14/2021 3:26 PM, bruce bowser wrote:
> >>> I've noticed that fewer bosses smoke in the building and stash liquor in the bottom desk drawer. I guess its because its not politically correct. Its still a shame.
> >>>
> >> Many places would fire you for any alcohol. I always had wine in the
> >> fridge at work. Nothing fancy, just a box of red and one of white.
> >
> > A couple times a year (pre-pandemic) the CEO would buy a case of beer and
> > treat us to one or two brewskis on a Friday afternoon.
>
> The Santa Cruz Operation 1995-2000: About 350 Employees in Santa
> Cruz. Last Friday of every month we had a full keg (usually Anchor
> Steam) and assorted bottled beers and wine in one of the various 4
> buildings or courtyards on Encinal or Pioneer streets.
>
> > Smokers are pariahs. I think we've only got one left at the company. The
> > others have retired and none of the young people smoke.
>
> But many "vape" probably.

Could be. I generally don't discuss those sorts of things.

"Many" at a company that employs 35 people isn't really a concept.
Given that educational attainment tracks with vaping, we might
not be a representative sample, since we only have perhaps five
employees without at least a bachelor's degree.

Cindy Hamilton

Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> On Thursday, April 15, 2021 at 11:41:49 PM UTC-4, Sqwertz wrote:
> >
> > But many "vape" probably.
>
> Could be. I generally don't discuss those sorts of things.
>
> "Many" at a company that employs 35 people isn't really a concept.
> Given that educational attainment tracks with vaping, we might
> not be a representative sample, since we only have perhaps five
> employees without at least a bachelor's degree.

If vaping had been around when I quit smoking (2005), I'd now have been
a vaper most likely. That would have sucked in more than one way.

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On 4/15/2021 11:59 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Apr 2021 08:00:26 -0400, Gary wrote:
>
>> I've never been without a vehicle to drive but, since the weather is
>> getting nicer, I'm going to try using a bicycle and occasional taxi or
>> Uber to see how that works out for me.
>
> So you're finally using a smartphone?

Not yet. I've been stalling forever but I do need to find a good deal
for one now. (no Uber or Lyft without one). They sound cheaper than a taxi.

Maybe one of those QVC deals...phone and 1000 minutes for about $100.
I'd still have to keep my landline with that though. (now $45 per month).

What I'd like to find is a decent smartphone with:
- unlimited talk (or at least 600-700 minutes per month)
- not interested in text although that might be important too
- a little bit of data time (using apps)

The unlimited talk is all my mother's fault. She doesn't like email.
Likes to talk each week for a couple of hours so I do that for her.

Gary wrote:

> On 4/15/2021 11:59 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> > On Thu, 15 Apr 2021 08:00:26 -0400, Gary wrote:
> >
> > > I've never been without a vehicle to drive but, since the weather
> > > is getting nicer, I'm going to try using a bicycle and occasional
> > > taxi or Uber to see how that works out for me.
> >
> > So you're finally using a smartphone?
>
> Not yet. I've been stalling forever but I do need to find a good deal
> for one now.

You'll never find a good deal. It's always going to cost money.

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