On Sunday, April 18, 2021 at 9:25:28 AM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>
> > On Sunday, April 18, 2021 at 8:19:01 AM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
> > > dsi1 wrote:
> > > If wondering, as a hobby I rebuild desktops for the blind and gift
> > > them away. Passed 1 Win10 last Monday to a fellow who's wife
> > > recently lost her vision, added a monitor/keyboard/mouse/Bose
> > > speakers and headset with a separate camera/mirophone. Monitor was
> > > so he can use it too. I used to do about 2-3 a year using mostly
> > > free stuff off Freecycle. Folks know about me locally so offer up
> > > free stuff.
> > >
> > > Carol
> >
> > That's brilliant - good job!
> Thanks! A lot of them went out with *NIX operating systems and a good
> gui setup because you could use a lower end machine and still get good
> results with screen reader software.

The great thing about desktop machines is that you can build one yourself at whatever price/speed you want. I enjoy building desktop machines. I just don't want to have to use one ever again. You're right that most OSes will work fine with lower end desktop/processors. The computers I have are low-power, high efficiency, machines based on the Linux kernel. Linux based OS devices have pretty much taken over the planet. That's a good thing.

dsi1 wrote:

> On Sunday, April 18, 2021 at 9:25:28 AM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
> > dsi1 wrote:
> >
> > > On Sunday, April 18, 2021 at 8:19:01 AM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
> > > > dsi1 wrote:
> > > > If wondering, as a hobby I rebuild desktops for the blind and
> > > > gift them away. Passed 1 Win10 last Monday to a fellow who's
> > > > wife recently lost her vision, added a
> > > > monitor/keyboard/mouse/Bose speakers and headset with a
> > > > separate camera/mirophone. Monitor was so he can use it too. I
> > > > used to do about 2-3 a year using mostly free stuff off
> > > > Freecycle. Folks know about me locally so offer up free stuff.
> > > >
> > > > Carol
> > >
> > > That's brilliant - good job!
> > Thanks! A lot of them went out with *NIX operating systems and a
> > good gui setup because you could use a lower end machine and still
> > get good results with screen reader software.
>
> The great thing about desktop machines is that you can build one
> yourself at whatever price/speed you want. I enjoy building desktop
> machines. I just don't want to have to use one ever again. You're
> right that most OSes will work fine with lower end
> desktop/processors. The computers I have are low-power, high
> efficiency, machines based on the Linux kernel. Linux based OS
> devices have pretty much taken over the planet. That's a good thing.
>
If I used a device with a Linux based OS, I'd be unemployed.
>
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Dr. Bruce wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, April 18, 2021 at 9:25:28 AM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
>>> dsi1 wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sunday, April 18, 2021 at 8:19:01 AM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
>>>>> dsi1 wrote:
>>>>> If wondering, as a hobby I rebuild desktops for the blind and
>>>>> gift them away. Passed 1 Win10 last Monday to a fellow who's
>>>>> wife recently lost her vision, added a
>>>>> monitor/keyboard/mouse/Bose speakers and headset with a
>>>>> separate camera/mirophone. Monitor was so he can use it too. I
>>>>> used to do about 2-3 a year using mostly free stuff off
>>>>> Freecycle. Folks know about me locally so offer up free stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>> Carol
>>>>
>>>> That's brilliant - good job!
>>> Thanks! A lot of them went out with *NIX operating systems and a
>>> good gui setup because you could use a lower end machine and still
>>> get good results with screen reader software.
>>
>> The great thing about desktop machines is that you can build one
>> yourself at whatever price/speed you want. I enjoy building desktop
>> machines. I just don't want to have to use one ever again. You're
>> right that most OSes will work fine with lower end
>> desktop/processors. The computers I have are low-power, high
>> efficiency, machines based on the Linux kernel. Linux based OS
>> devices have pretty much taken over the planet. That's a good thing.
>>
> If I used a device with a Linux based OS, I'd be unemployed.

Do you sniff your bosses ass, master druce?

On Sun, 18 Apr 2021 12:08:35 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> wrote:

>On Saturday, April 17, 2021 at 4:23:08 PM UTC-10, Boron Elgar wrote:

>>
>> I am happy dealing with touchscreens and pads, too, but not for the
>> photography.
>>

>
>Desktop computers are good at editing graphics and photos. These days, I have to rely on auto light correcting programs for photos. They work surprising well. I used to edit graphic by cutting up paper or photo negatives and pasting them on to layout sheets. I'm glad those days are behind me.

I do not miss paste-ups.

Many of the auto-correct functions in photo progs are all that is
needed for a lot of casual pics. They work well.

On 4/18/2021 3:18 PM, Dr. Bruce wrote:
> Gary wrote:
>
>> Michael Trew wrote:
>>> You might be surprised to learn that I'm 26 years old. And old
>>> soul, I guess they say. I started using cash only a few years ago
>>> when I lost my job and started hauling scrap metal, buying/selling
>>> furniture, antiques, flea markets, shows, etc. All of these worked
>>> in all-cash only. As I've watched a digital push, and have heard
>>> of places that won't take cash (I've only experienced one
>>> personally), I've dug in and dumped my debit card.
>>>
>>> I suppose that regardless of my age, your point stands that people
>>> like me are in the minority. I'll probably be one of the few
>>> holdouts in 40-50 years with a gasoline powered car, refusing
>>> digital currency, etc.
>>
>> You're only 26? I suspect you are the youngest poster here by far.
>> And you've already turned into an old stubborn fart.
>> Good for you! lol
>
> He could meet his grandparents here.
>

My grandparents don't use computers

Michael Trew wrote:

> On 4/18/2021 3:18 PM, Dr. Bruce wrote:
> > Gary wrote:
> >
> >> Michael Trew wrote:
> > > > You might be surprised to learn that I'm 26 years old. And old
> > > > soul, I guess they say. I started using cash only a few years
> > > > ago when I lost my job and started hauling scrap metal,
> > > > buying/selling furniture, antiques, flea markets, shows, etc.
> > > > All of these worked in all-cash only. As I've watched a
> > > > digital push, and have heard of places that won't take cash
> > > > (I've only experienced one personally), I've dug in and dumped
> > > > my debit card.
> > > >
> > > > I suppose that regardless of my age, your point stands that
> > > > people like me are in the minority. I'll probably be one of
> > > > the few holdouts in 40-50 years with a gasoline powered car,
> > > > refusing digital currency, etc.
> > >
> > > You're only 26? I suspect you are the youngest poster here by
> > > far. And you've already turned into an old stubborn fart.
> > > Good for you! lol
> >
> > He could meet his grandparents here.
> >
>
> My grandparents don't use computers

They could consider it. They'd feel quite at ease in rec.food.cooking
AKA Biddies 'R Us.

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On 4/18/2021 9:26 AM, Gary wrote:
> Michael Trew wrote:
>> You might be surprised to learn that I'm 26 years old. And old soul, I
>> guess they say. I started using cash only a few years ago when I lost
>> my job and started hauling scrap metal, buying/selling furniture,
>> antiques, flea markets, shows, etc. All of these worked in all-cash
>> only. As I've watched a digital push, and have heard of places that
>> won't take cash (I've only experienced one personally), I've dug in and
>> dumped my debit card.
>>
>> I suppose that regardless of my age, your point stands that people like
>> me are in the minority. I'll probably be one of the few holdouts in
>> 40-50 years with a gasoline powered car, refusing digital currency, etc.
>
> You're only 26? I suspect you are the youngest poster here by far.
> And you've already turned into an old stubborn fart.
> Good for you! lol
>
>
>
>
>
Most likely.. haha

I've been toying with Usenet on and off for maybe the last 6 years...
it's kind of sad how dead it is now. This is one of the only alive
groups. I think the post could would be a third of what it is if it
weren't for Mr. Kuthe... lol

On Sun, 18 Apr 2021 12:02:39 -0700, dsi1 wrote:

> Cash is like old-school cryptocurrency in this day
> and age i.e., it's not easily tracked.

You don't think the banks record the serial numbers when they load the
ATMs? Do you think they ignore the serial numbers when they make a big
haul of dirty cash at the border, &c?

Sure, there is not an admissible 'paper trail' sufficient for a criminal
conviction, but if they find the bulk of your ATM withdrawal in the hands
of a convicted drug-dealer, the FBI will be sure to update your file.

On 4/18/2021 3:02 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Saturday, April 17, 2021 at 4:14:40 AM UTC-10, Michael Trew wrote:
>> On 4/17/2021 1:02 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Friday, April 16, 2021 at 5:06:41 PM UTC-10, Michael Trew wrote:
>>>> On 4/16/2021 1:47 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>> My phone works fine but I'm thinking that I need a phone that's capable of point-of-sale contactless payments i.e., has NFC capabilities. It's pretty obvious that contactless payments on cell phones are the future of purchasing stuff.
>>>> No thanks. I only carry cash. No cards or smart phone. If they don't
>>>> take cash, I'm not buying. You couldn't pay me enough to trust these
>>>> smart phones and related companies like Google to have access to my
>>>> financial info.
>>>
>>> These days, it's not real important what you or I think or do as far as influencing trends or shaping the future. It's the younger generation that will lead the way to the world of tomorrow. We're pretty irrelevant as far as the marketing guys are concerned. That's the breaks.
>>> All I know is that NFC capability will become an increasingly important feature in phones very shortly. "NFC" by the way, does not mean "Nobody ****ing Cares."
>>>
>>> https://www.engadget.com/sf-bay-area...125028599.html
>>>
>> You might be surprised to learn that I'm 26 years old. And old soul, I
>> guess they say. I started using cash only a few years ago when I lost
>> my job and started hauling scrap metal, buying/selling furniture,
>> antiques, flea markets, shows, etc. All of these worked in all-cash
>> only. As I've watched a digital push, and have heard of places that
>> won't take cash (I've only experienced one personally), I've dug in and
>> dumped my debit card.
>>
>> I suppose that regardless of my age, your point stands that people like
>> me are in the minority. I'll probably be one of the few holdouts in
>> 40-50 years with a gasoline powered car, refusing digital currency, etc.
>
> Indeed I am surprised at your age and you are a minority. OTOH, that's the way people that only deal with cash are. I can see how cash gives you a great sense of freedom, but maybe also some paranoia. Cash is like old-school cryptocurrency in this day and age i.e., it's not easily tracked.

The only dilemma would be if I lost my wallet, which would be
terrible... that's $200 give or take down the drain. I have a pretty
good track record, knock on wood. Seven year old me somehow convinced
my mother to buy me a leather wallet from and end cap store display. 19
years later, I still have it, although it's half-way bound in duct tape.

Dr. Bruce wrote:
> Michael Trew wrote:
>
>> On 4/18/2021 3:18 PM, Dr. Bruce wrote:
>>> Gary wrote:
>>>
>>>> Michael Trew wrote:
>>>>> You might be surprised to learn that I'm 26 years old. And old
>>>>> soul, I guess they say. I started using cash only a few years
>>>>> ago when I lost my job and started hauling scrap metal,
>>>>> buying/selling furniture, antiques, flea markets, shows, etc.
>>>>> All of these worked in all-cash only. As I've watched a
>>>>> digital push, and have heard of places that won't take cash
>>>>> (I've only experienced one personally), I've dug in and dumped
>>>>> my debit card.
>>>>>
>>>>> I suppose that regardless of my age, your point stands that
>>>>> people like me are in the minority. I'll probably be one of
>>>>> the few holdouts in 40-50 years with a gasoline powered car,
>>>>> refusing digital currency, etc.
>>>>
>>>> You're only 26? I suspect you are the youngest poster here by
>>>> far. And you've already turned into an old stubborn fart.
>>>> Good for you! lol
>>>
>>> He could meet his grandparents here.
>>>
>>
>> My grandparents don't use computers
>
> They could consider it. They'd feel quite at ease in rec.food.cooking
> AKA Biddies 'R Us.
>

I bet you'd like to sniff their asses master.

On 4/18/2021 7:36 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
> On 4/18/2021 3:18 PM, Dr. Bruce wrote:
>> Gary wrote:
>>
>>> Â* Michael Trew wrote:
>>>> You might be surprised to learn that I'm 26 years old.Â* And old
>>>> soul, I guess they say.Â* I started using cash only a few years ago
>>>> when I lost my job and started hauling scrap metal, buying/selling
>>>> furniture, antiques, flea markets, shows, etc.Â* All of these worked
>>>> in all-cash only.Â* As I've watched a digital push, and have heard
>>>> of places that won't take cash (I've only experienced one
>>>> personally), I've dug in and dumped my debit card.
>>>>
>>>> I suppose that regardless of my age, your point stands that people
>>>> like me are in the minority.Â* I'll probably be one of the few
>>>> holdouts in 40-50 years with a gasoline powered car, refusing
>>>> digital currency, etc.
>>>
>>> You're only 26?Â* I suspect you are the youngest poster here by far.
>>> And you've already turned into an old stubborn fart.
>>> Good for you!Â* lol
>>
>> He could meet his grandparents here.
>>
>
> My grandparents don't use computers

Home computers hadn't been invented when my grandparents were alive. My
parents wouldn't have known what to do with one.

As for dealing strictly in cash, there are a few businesses (farm stands
mostly) that operate on a cash-only basis. I never have more than $20
in cash in my wallet at any given time. Reason being, if my
wallet/purse is stolen I can't call the bank and expect them to do
anything about cash. I can, however, cancel my debit card and the bank
will issue a new one with a different number. I still write checks for
some things. The guy who takes care of the yard work, for example.
Just had some HVAC work done a week ago and I wrote a check for that, too.

Jill

On 2021-04-18 7:50 p.m., Michael Trew wrote:
> On 4/18/2021 9:26 AM, Gary wrote:
>> Michael Trew wrote:
>>> You might be surprised to learn that I'm 26 years old. And old soul, I
>>> guess they say. I started using cash only a few years ago when I lost
>>> my job and started hauling scrap metal, buying/selling furniture,
>>> antiques, flea markets, shows, etc. All of these worked in all-cash
>>> only. As I've watched a digital push, and have heard of places that
>>> won't take cash (I've only experienced one personally), I've dug in and
>>> dumped my debit card.
>>>
>>> I suppose that regardless of my age, your point stands that people like
>>> me are in the minority. I'll probably be one of the few holdouts in
>>> 40-50 years with a gasoline powered car, refusing digital currency, etc.
>>
>> You're only 26? I suspect you are the youngest poster here by far.
>> And you've already turned into an old stubborn fart.
>> Good for you! lol
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> Most likely.. haha
>
> I've been toying with Usenet on and off for maybe the last 6 years...
> it's kind of sad how dead it is now.Â* This is one of the only alive
> groups.Â* I think the post could would be a third of what it is if it
> weren't for Mr. Kuthe... lol

The death of many of the groups is because some trolls have met it a
mission in their lack of a life to destroy them.

On 2021-04-18 7:52 p.m., Mike Duffy wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Apr 2021 12:02:39 -0700, dsi1 wrote:
>
>> Cash is like old-school cryptocurrency in this day
>> and age i.e., it's not easily tracked.
>
> You don't think the banks record the serial numbers when they load the
> ATMs? Do you think they ignore the serial numbers when they make a big
> haul of dirty cash at the border, &c?
>

Banks do not record the serial numbers. They have counting machines that
count out the number of bills that go through it, but they do not scan
for serial numbers and no one records them. Unless you know
better... for sure.

On 2021-04-18 7:55 p.m., jmcquown wrote:

> Home computers hadn't been invented when my grandparents were alive.Â* My
> parents wouldn't have known what to do with one.
>
> As for dealing strictly in cash, there are a few businesses (farm stands
> mostly) that operate on a cash-only basis.Â* I never have more than $20
> in cash in my wallet at any given time.Â* Reason being, if my
> wallet/purse is stolen I can't call the bank and expect them to do
> anything about cash.Â* I can, however, cancel my debit card and the bank
> will issue a new one with a different number.Â* I still write checks for
> some things.Â* The guy who takes care of the yard work, for example. Just
> had some HVAC work done a week ago and I wrote a check for that, too.
>
>

You must be younger than I thought. I always have at least $200 cash in
my wallet. I still use my debit card for most purchases and credit card
for online purchases and curbside orders. I still like to have cash for
emergencies. I even have a stash of US cash at home.

On 4/18/2021 8:05 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2021-04-18 7:55 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>
>> Home computers hadn't been invented when my grandparents were alive.
>> My parents wouldn't have known what to do with one.
>>
>> As for dealing strictly in cash, there are a few businesses (farm
>> stands mostly) that operate on a cash-only basis.Â* I never have more
>> than $20 in cash in my wallet at any given time.Â* Reason being, if my
>> wallet/purse is stolen I can't call the bank and expect them to do
>> anything about cash.Â* I can, however, cancel my debit card and the
>> bank will issue a new one with a different number.Â* I still write
>> checks for some things.Â* The guy who takes care of the yard work, for
>> example. Just had some HVAC work done a week ago and I wrote a check
>> for that, too.
>>
>>
>
> You must be younger than I thought.

Why would you say that? I'm not.

> I always have at least $200 cash in
> my wallet.

That's the amount my mother always wanted to withdraw when I took her to
the bank. She didn't keep it in her wallet, she put it in her jewelry
box. She felt she always had to have about $200 in cash in the house.
For what, I don't know. Her bills - even groceries - were paid by
check. Rarely cash. She just liked to have it around. Not me.

> I still use my debit card for most purchases and credit card
> for online purchases and curbside orders. I still like to have cash for
> emergencies. I even have a stash of US cash at home.
>
If there's the threat of a hurricane or something like that, sure, I'll
withdraw cash ahead of time and stash it in the fireproof suitcase safe
where I store important documents. I definitely have no reason to have
cash in the house at all times, much less in my wallet.

Jill

On 4/18/2021 8:01 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2021-04-18 7:52 p.m., Mike Duffy wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Apr 2021 12:02:39 -0700, dsi1 wrote:
>>
>>> Cash is like old-school cryptocurrency in this day
>>> and age i.e., it's not easily tracked.
>>
>> You don't think the banks record the serial numbers when they load the
>> ATMs? Do you think they ignore the serial numbers when they make a big
>> haul of dirty cash at the border, &c?
>>
>
> Banks do not record the serial numbers. They have counting machines that
> count out the number of bills that go through it, but they do not scan
> for serial numbers and no one records them.Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Unless you know
> better... for sure.
>
>
When a bank receives a delivery of paper currency the serial numbers are
definitely recorded. It's basic accounting/inventory control. They
might not go into the ATM machine in that order but when hundreds of
thousands are dropped off in the vault, they have a record of those
serial numbers.

Old bills are often taken out of circulation and those serial numbers
are invalidated. If someone suddenly starts spending bills from a
1930's bank heist, someone might notice.

Jill

On Sunday, April 18, 2021 at 1:52:08 PM UTC-10, Mike Duffy wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Apr 2021 12:02:39 -0700, dsi1 wrote:
>
> > Cash is like old-school cryptocurrency in this day
> > and age i.e., it's not easily tracked.
> You don't think the banks record the serial numbers when they load the
> ATMs? Do you think they ignore the serial numbers when they make a big
> haul of dirty cash at the border, &c?
>
> Sure, there is not an admissible 'paper trail' sufficient for a criminal
> conviction, but if they find the bulk of your ATM withdrawal in the hands
> of a convicted drug-dealer, the FBI will be sure to update your file.

If you're dealing in drugs, you have a right to be paranoid. Otherwise, my guess is that the G-men aren't interested in updating your file.

On Sunday, April 18, 2021 at 1:53:01 PM UTC-10, Michael Trew wrote:
> On 4/18/2021 3:02 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Saturday, April 17, 2021 at 4:14:40 AM UTC-10, Michael Trew wrote:
> >> On 4/17/2021 1:02 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> >>> On Friday, April 16, 2021 at 5:06:41 PM UTC-10, Michael Trew wrote:
> >>>> On 4/16/2021 1:47 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> >>>>> My phone works fine but I'm thinking that I need a phone that's capable of point-of-sale contactless payments i.e., has NFC capabilities. It's pretty obvious that contactless payments on cell phones are the future of purchasing stuff.
> >>>> No thanks. I only carry cash. No cards or smart phone. If they don't
> >>>> take cash, I'm not buying. You couldn't pay me enough to trust these
> >>>> smart phones and related companies like Google to have access to my
> >>>> financial info.
> >>>
> >>> These days, it's not real important what you or I think or do as far as influencing trends or shaping the future. It's the younger generation that will lead the way to the world of tomorrow. We're pretty irrelevant as far as the marketing guys are concerned. That's the breaks.
> >>> All I know is that NFC capability will become an increasingly important feature in phones very shortly. "NFC" by the way, does not mean "Nobody ****ing Cares."
> >>>
> >>> https://www.engadget.com/sf-bay-area...125028599.html
> >>>
> >> You might be surprised to learn that I'm 26 years old. And old soul, I
> >> guess they say. I started using cash only a few years ago when I lost
> >> my job and started hauling scrap metal, buying/selling furniture,
> >> antiques, flea markets, shows, etc. All of these worked in all-cash
> >> only. As I've watched a digital push, and have heard of places that
> >> won't take cash (I've only experienced one personally), I've dug in and
> >> dumped my debit card.
> >>
> >> I suppose that regardless of my age, your point stands that people like
> >> me are in the minority. I'll probably be one of the few holdouts in
> >> 40-50 years with a gasoline powered car, refusing digital currency, etc.
> >
> > Indeed I am surprised at your age and you are a minority. OTOH, that's the way people that only deal with cash are. I can see how cash gives you a great sense of freedom, but maybe also some paranoia. Cash is like old-school cryptocurrency in this day and age i.e., it's not easily tracked.
> The only dilemma would be if I lost my wallet, which would be
> terrible... that's $200 give or take down the drain. I have a pretty
> good track record, knock on wood. Seven year old me somehow convinced
> my mother to buy me a leather wallet from and end cap store display. 19
> years later, I still have it, although it's half-way bound in duct tape.

You're living off the grid. Perhaps you're Chinese. Those old pake guys didn't believe in banks. My pake friend was sure his dead grandma buried a jar of cash in her yard. He spent some time digging up the yard. Those crazy pakes! My Korean mother-in-law would hide money in her house. My wife would find wads of cash in in her drawers years before and after she died.

On 4/18/2021 5:32 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 4/18/2021 8:01 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2021-04-18 7:52 p.m., Mike Duffy wrote:
>>> On Sun, 18 Apr 2021 12:02:39 -0700, dsi1 wrote:
>>>
>>>> Cash is like old-school cryptocurrency in this day
>>>> and age i.e., it's not easily tracked.
>>>
>>> You don't think the banks record the serial numbers when they load the
>>> ATMs? Do you think they ignore the serial numbers when they make a big
>>> haul of dirty cash at the border, &c?
>>>
>>
>> Banks do not record the serial numbers. They have counting machines that
>> count out the number of bills that go through it, but they do not scan
>> for serial numbers and no one records them.Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Unless you know
>> better... for sure.
>>
>>
> When a bank receives a delivery of paper currency the serial numbers are
> definitely recorded. It's basic accounting/inventory control. They
> might not go into the ATM machine in that order but when hundreds of
> thousands are dropped off in the vault, they have a record of those
> serial numbers.
>
> Old bills are often taken out of circulation and those serial numbers
> are invalidated. If someone suddenly starts spending bills from a
> 1930's bank heist, someone might notice.
>
> Jill
>


And what computer systems were the banks using to record serial numbers
in the 1930's?

On 4/18/2021 7:52 PM, Michael Trew wrote:

>>
>> Indeed I am surprised at your age and you are a minority. OTOH, that's
>> the way people that only deal with cash are. I can see how cash gives
>> you a great sense of freedom, but maybe also some paranoia. Cash is
>> like old-school cryptocurrency in this day and age i.e., it's not
>> easily tracked.
>
> The only dilemma would be if I lost my wallet, which would be
> terrible... that's $200 give or take down the drain.Â* I have a pretty
> good track record, knock on wood.Â* Seven year old me somehow convinced
> my mother to buy me a leather wallet from and end cap store display.Â* 19
> years later, I still have it, although it's half-way bound in duct tape.


Think money clip.

My wallet has my license, credit cards, medical ID, etc. No cash. I
keep the bills in front pocket with a money clip. If I lose one or the
other I still have a way to get home. Fortunately I've never lost either.

On Sunday, April 18, 2021 at 7:36:57 PM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote:
> On 4/18/2021 3:18 PM, Dr. Bruce wrote:
> > Gary wrote:
> >
> >> Michael Trew wrote:
> >>> You might be surprised to learn that I'm 26 years old. And old
> >>> soul, I guess they say. I started using cash only a few years ago
> >>> when I lost my job and started hauling scrap metal, buying/selling
> >>> furniture, antiques, flea markets, shows, etc. All of these worked
> >>> in all-cash only. As I've watched a digital push, and have heard
> >>> of places that won't take cash (I've only experienced one
> >>> personally), I've dug in and dumped my debit card.
> >>>
> >>> I suppose that regardless of my age, your point stands that people
> >>> like me are in the minority. I'll probably be one of the few
> >>> holdouts in 40-50 years with a gasoline powered car, refusing
> >>> digital currency, etc.
> >>
> >> You're only 26? I suspect you are the youngest poster here by far.
> >> And you've already turned into an old stubborn fart.
> >> Good for you! lol
> >
> > He could meet his grandparents here.
> >
> My grandparents don't use computers

My 87-year-old mother does.

Cindy Hamilton

On 19/04/2021 09:55, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Sunday, April 18, 2021 at 7:36:57 PM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote:

>> My grandparents don't use computers
>
> My 87-year-old mother does.
>
As did mine, well in to her 80s. But she was in Signals at Bomber
Command in the RAF, and was pretty good with techie stuff.

On 4/17/2021 7:14 AM, Dr. Bruce wrote:
> Taxed and Spent wrote:
>
>> On 4/16/2021 7:52 PM, wrote:
>>>>
>>> That's quite possible but I'd rather have ALL my power back instead
>>> of just the phone and modem powered by a $150 and up.
>>>>>
>>>>> A cell phone is useful for emergencies but if power is not
>>>>> available for days then a car charging port is needed. Gary
>>>>> says he no longer or soon will no longer have a vehicle. I
>>>>> can't see him sitting in a restaurant for a few hours charging
>>>>> his phone.
>>>>>
>>>> Buy and keep charged a suitable battery, such as for jumping
>>>> cars. A cell phone will last a LONG time on that baby.
>>>>
>>>> Plan ahead. Use your head.
>>>>
>>> When I lose power I just go to my car and charge the phone which is
>>> not used that much. I don't need an extra battery when the ports
>>> in the car are available. I use my head by not buying unnecessary
>>> items.
>>
>> Yes, but "Gary says he no longer or soon will no longer have a
>> vehicle. I can't see him sitting in a restaurant for a few hours
>> charging his phone."
>
> No. If they'd ask him to order something, he'd go into anaphylactic
> shock.

LOL. Reminds me of an old sitcom in the 1960's. "That Girl," starring a
young Marlo Thomas. She was new to NYC and poor. One day she walked
into a restaruant and just ordered a cup of hot water. Then she used the
free ketchup plus salt and pepper to make "tomato soup."

I've always wanted to try that at home just to see how it tastes. It's
on my bucket list. Heck, maybe I'll try it today???

On 4/19/2021 5:45 AM, Gary wrote:
> On 4/17/2021 7:14 AM, Dr. Bruce wrote:
>> Taxed and Spent wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/16/2021 7:52 PM, wrote:
>>>>>
>>>> That's quite possible but I'd rather have ALL my power back instead
>>>> of just the phone and modem powered by a $150 and up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A cell phone is useful for emergencies but if power is not
>>>>>> available for days then a car charging port is needed. Gary
>>>>>> says he no longer or soon will no longer have a vehicle. I
>>>>>> can't see him sitting in a restaurant for a few hours charging
>>>>>> his phone.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Buy and keep charged a suitable battery, such as for jumping
>>>>> cars. A cell phone will last a LONG time on that baby.
>>>>>
>>>>> Plan ahead. Use your head.
>>>>>
>>>> When I lose power I just go to my car and charge the phone which is
>>>> not used that much. I don't need an extra battery when the ports
>>>> in the car are available. I use my head by not buying unnecessary
>>>> items.
>>>
>>> Yes, but "Gary says he no longer or soon will no longer have a
>>> vehicle. I can't see him sitting in a restaurant for a few hours
>>> charging his phone."
>>
>> No. If they'd ask him to order something, he'd go into anaphylactic
>> shock.
>
> LOL. Reminds me of an old sitcom in the 1960's. "That Girl," starring a
> young Marlo Thomas. She was new to NYC and poor. One day she walked
> into a restaruant and just ordered a cup of hot water. Then she used the
> free ketchup plus salt and pepper to make "tomato soup."
>
> I've always wanted to try that at home just to see how it tastes. It's
> on my bucket list. Heck, maybe I'll try it today???
>
>
>

She was poor? She had plenty of money to be a clothes horse.

Michael Trew wrote:
> The only dilemma would be if I lost my wallet, which would be
> terrible... that's $200 give or take down the drain. I have a pretty
> good track record, knock on wood. Seven year old me somehow convinced
> my mother to buy me a leather wallet from and end cap store display. 19
> years later, I still have it, although it's half-way bound in duct tape.

I still use my old cool surf shop wallet (Quicksilver). It's at least 30
years old and very worn out but I love it. I have 2 newer wallets but
I've never switched yet.

I generally carry about $70 cash plus all my cards. If I ever lost that
wallet (or got robbed), the cash wouldn't bother me so much. It's
replacing all the cards that would be the worst part.

Dave Smith wrote:
> The death of many of the groups is because some trolls have met it a
> mission in their lack of a life to destroy them.

I disagree. Trolling and crossposting is definitely a way to destroy a
newsgroup but most of them disappeared once ISP's stopped carrying
newsgroups. Even before that, most people that I know here had never
even heard of Usenet.

Then along came Facebook and Google Groups. It's your new Usenet.

Dave Smith wrote:
> You must be younger than I thought. I always have at least $200 cash in
> my wallet. I still use my debit card for most purchases and credit card
> for online purchases and curbside orders. I still like to have cash for
> emergencies. I even have a stash of US cash at home.

What's wrong with your Canadian cash?

wrote:
> A cell phone is useful for emergencies but if power is not available
> for days then a car charging port is needed. Gary says he no longer
> or soon will no longer have a vehicle. I can't see him sitting in a
> restaurant for a few hours charging his phone.

In real life, I've only lost power for 3 days at most. Even with my land
line that always works, I've never called anyone even then.

For that reason, I would never have to charge a cell phone.

On Monday, April 19, 2021 at 8:03:01 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
> > The death of many of the groups is because some trolls have met it a
> > mission in their lack of a life to destroy them.
>
> I disagree. Trolling and crossposting is definitely a way to destroy a
> newsgroup but most of them disappeared once ISP's stopped carrying
> newsgroups. Even before that, most people that I know here had never
> even heard of Usenet.
>
> Then along came Facebook and Google Groups. It's your new Usenet.


Also Twitter, Snapchat, Tik-Tok...

Usenet is an old person's hobby, what is the average age of posters here, around 70...and yes, ISP's have not provided Usenet for many years now...

[Frankly, I was shocked when Michael Trew said he was 26, that's about a third of the average age here, lol... ]

rec.travel.air was one of my faves years ago, many of those posters have passed on, that has happened here, too...many of us are getting ever closer to our "expiration dates"...

:O

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On Monday, April 19, 2021 at 8:03:37 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
> > You must be younger than I thought. I always have at least $200 cash in
> > my wallet. I still use my debit card for most purchases and credit card
> > for online purchases and curbside orders. I still like to have cash for
> > emergencies. I even have a stash of US cash at home.
> What's wrong with your Canadian cash?


It's worth less than Yank cash...

;-)

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On 2021-04-19 8:45 a.m., Taxed and Spent wrote:
> On 4/19/2021 5:45 AM, Gary wrote:
ck.
>>
>> LOL. Reminds me of an old sitcom in the 1960's. "That Girl," starring a
>> young Marlo Thomas.Â* She was new to NYC and poor. One day she walked
>> into a restaruant and just ordered a cup of hot water. Then she used the
>> free ketchup plus salt and pepper to make "tomato soup."
>>
>> I've always wanted to try that at home just to see how it tastes. It's
>> on my bucket list. Heck, maybe I'll try it today???
>>
>>
>>
>
> She was poor?Â* She had plenty of money to be a clothes horse.

While her father was an established entertainer she was new to the
business and to the city and it can be a tough business to get started
in. Then there is the issue of priorities. I used to hang around a guy
who always seemed to begrudge us having nicer cars and nice furniture
than he could afford. He used to go directly from work to his favourite
bar and spend the evening there buying rounds for everyone. That's why
he could not afford those things.

On Monday, April 19, 2021 at 7:46:02 AM UTC-5, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> On 4/19/2021 5:45 AM, Gary wrote:
> > On 4/17/2021 7:14 AM, Dr. Bruce wrote:
> >> Taxed and Spent wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 4/16/2021 7:52 PM, wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>> That's quite possible but I'd rather have ALL my power back instead
> >>>> of just the phone and modem powered by a $150 and up.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> A cell phone is useful for emergencies but if power is not
> >>>>>> available for days then a car charging port is needed. Gary
> >>>>>> says he no longer or soon will no longer have a vehicle. I
> >>>>>> can't see him sitting in a restaurant for a few hours charging
> >>>>>> his phone.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> Buy and keep charged a suitable battery, such as for jumping
> >>>>> cars. A cell phone will last a LONG time on that baby.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Plan ahead. Use your head.
> >>>>>
> >>>> When I lose power I just go to my car and charge the phone which is
> >>>> not used that much. I don't need an extra battery when the ports
> >>>> in the car are available. I use my head by not buying unnecessary
> >>>> items.
> >>>
> >>> Yes, but "Gary says he no longer or soon will no longer have a
> >>> vehicle. I can't see him sitting in a restaurant for a few hours
> >>> charging his phone."
> >>
> >> No. If they'd ask him to order something, he'd go into anaphylactic
> >> shock.
> >
> > LOL. Reminds me of an old sitcom in the 1960's. "That Girl," starring a
> > young Marlo Thomas. She was new to NYC and poor. One day she walked
> > into a restaruant and just ordered a cup of hot water. Then she used the
> > free ketchup plus salt and pepper to make "tomato soup."
> >
> > I've always wanted to try that at home just to see how it tastes. It's
> > on my bucket list. Heck, maybe I'll try it today???
> >
> >
> >
> She was poor? She had plenty of money to be a clothes horse.


"Suspension of disbelief"

;-)

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On Mon, 19 Apr 2021 08:45:10 -0400, Gary wrote:

> I've always wanted to try that at home just to see how it tastes. It's
> on my bucket list. Heck, maybe I'll try it today???

FFS. Go whole hog, and give us a report on Honey Boo-Boo's spaghetti
sauce recipe she got from her Mom: Ketchup & melted butter.

On Mon, 19 Apr 2021 11:04:47 +0100, S Viemeister
> wrote:

>On 19/04/2021 09:55, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Sunday, April 18, 2021 at 7:36:57 PM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote:
>
>>> My grandparents don't use computers
>>
>> My 87-year-old mother does.
>>
>As did mine, well in to her 80s. But she was in Signals at Bomber
>Command in the RAF, and was pretty good with techie stuff.

My 99 yr old father-in-law uses his computer daily to work on a
detailed family history in addition to reading/sending his emails.

On 4/19/2021 6:51 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2021-04-19 8:45 a.m., Taxed and Spent wrote:
>> On 4/19/2021 5:45 AM, Gary wrote:
> ck.
>>>
>>> LOL. Reminds me of an old sitcom in the 1960's. "That Girl," starring
a
>>> young Marlo Thomas.Â* She was new to NYC and poor. One day she walked
>>> into a restaruant and just ordered a cup of hot water. Then she used the
>>> free ketchup plus salt and pepper to make "tomato soup."
>>>
>>> I've always wanted to try that at home just to see how it tastes. It's
>>> on my bucket list. Heck, maybe I'll try it today???
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> She was poor?Â* She had plenty of money to be a clothes horse.
>
> While her father was an established entertainer she was new to the
> business and to the city and it can be a tough business to get started
> in. Then there is the issue of priorities. I used to hang around a guy
> who always seemed to begrudge us having nicer cars and nice furniture
> than he could afford. He used to go directly from work to his favourite
> bar and spend the evening there buying rounds for everyone. That's why
> he could not afford those things.
>


Her father (on TV) was an entertainer? I don't think so.

Gary wrote:

> Dave Smith wrote:
> > You must be younger than I thought. I always have at least $200
> > cash in my wallet. I still use my debit card for most purchases and
> > credit card for online purchases and curbside orders. I still like
> > to have cash for emergencies. I even have a stash of US cash at
> > home.
>
> What's wrong with your Canadian cash?

I think Dave lives near the border so if there is some sort of 'get out
of Dodge fast' event, he may need to come here. Been some really bad
ice storms at times where the best answer was go south.

On 2021-04-19 10:58 p.m., cshenk wrote:
> Gary wrote:
>
>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>> You must be younger than I thought. I always have at least $200
>>> cash in my wallet. I still use my debit card for most purchases and
>>> credit card for online purchases and curbside orders. I still like
>>> to have cash for emergencies. I even have a stash of US cash at
>>> home.
>>
>> What's wrong with your Canadian cash?
>
> I think Dave lives near the border so if there is some sort of 'get out
> of Dodge fast' event, he may need to come here. Been some really bad
> ice storms at times where the best answer was go south.



I would have to head south by way of Buffalo, and if there were a bad
enough winter storm that I had to vacate, conditions would probably be
much worse at and across the border because it is a notorious snow belt.



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On 2021 Apr 18, , dsi1 wrote
(in >):

> Desktop computers are good at editing graphics and photos. These days, I have
> to rely on auto light correcting programs for photos. They work surprising
> well. I used to edit graphic by cutting up paper or photo negatives and
> pasting them on to layout sheets. I'm glad those days are behind me.

Did you work in or own a print shop? Ah, the old Multigraph Multilith, I used
to watch the shop owner print on one of those for hours while his brother
made layout sheets, dark-roomed and burned them onto flexible plates. The
printing was of excellent quality, and we all left drunk. Good times!
Seventies stuff.

On 2021 Apr 18, , jmcquown wrote
(in article >):

> Old bills are often taken out of circulation and those serial numbers
> are invalidated. If someone suddenly starts spending bills from a
> 1930's bank heist, someone might notice.

Nah. Statute of Limitations.

leo

On 2021 Apr 18, , Gary wrote
(in article >):

> You're only 26? I suspect you are the youngest poster here by far.
> And you've already turned into an old stubborn fart.
> Good for you! lol

Ditto.