On 2021-04-20 3:18 p.m., Graham wrote:
> On 2021-04-20 1:00 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
hat I now pay on line by CC.
>>
>> It has been so long since I used one, I put the check in the envelope
>> and forgot to sign it.Â* Didn't mail it though.
>
> I can pay my taxes online but I always pay by cheque to a bank teller.
> That way I have paper trails in any dispute. I had a serious one with
> the feds 3 years ago and a xerox of that paper trail settled things
> quickly.

My mother had an issue with them too. Her taxes got messed up over a T5
for an annuity. They had demanded immediate payment. She sent a cheque
and the matter was sorted out and it turned out she didn't owe them
anything. However, they still demanded quarterly remittances. She send
them a cheque. A few months later, they were hounding her for payment.
She had the cancelled cheque but they had no record of it. Meanwhile,
she was still waiting for they to pay her back for that money she had
sent that she didn't really owe.The amount they were demanding from her
was less than the refund they owed her.

On 4/20/2021 3:01 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 20, 2021 at 8:48:16 AM UTC-10, Michael Trew wrote:
>> On 4/20/2021 7:50 AM, Gary wrote:
>>> Michael Trew wrote:
>>>> If someone has bills that haven't been circulated since the 1930's, I'd
>>>> hope they take them to a coin shop or auction, rather than spend them in
>>>> general currency. Then again, I occasionally give a cashier an
>>>> Eisenhower dollar or something odd (especially if they are a younger
>>>> female) just so I can enjoy her confusion... one once told me that it
>>>> wasn't a real coin... lol I asked for the manager
>>>
>>> LOL. Same confusion happens with using $2 bills. Many people think they
>>> are counterfeit bills. A customer once paid me in cash, all $2 bills. I
>>> had fun spending those.
>>>
>>> I still have a 1953 $2 bill. Saved that one since it's my birth year.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> I actually have a 1956 $2 bill (I believe) in my wallet. Some time in
>> the 50's. My great aunt gave it to me several years ago before she
>> passed. She told me that she's had it in her wallet since she was first
>> married. Her father gave it to her - and told her to hold onto it in
>> case something happened or an emergency and she needed to get home. I
>> would imagine that it would be close to $20 in today's money. It's in
>> near mint condition, aside from being folded into quarters.
>
> I have a dollar that was signed by the Secretary of the Treasury. It has his signature twice. Once, printed on the bill and another, written on the bill. It's a pretty funny dollar.

It's actually a 1953. I have lots of old coins and bills, but not many
odd ones or misprints. Probably thousands of dollars of silver. Kind
of got out of collecting it years ago.

On 4/20/2021 11:32 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
> On 4/20/2021 3:01 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Tuesday, April 20, 2021 at 8:48:16 AM UTC-10, Michael Trew wrote:
>>> On 4/20/2021 7:50 AM, Gary wrote:
>>>> Michael Trew wrote:
>>>>> If someone has bills that haven't been circulated since the 1930's,
>>>>> I'd
>>>>> hope they take them to a coin shop or auction, rather than spend
>>>>> them in
>>>>> general currency. Then again, I occasionally give a cashier an
>>>>> Eisenhower dollar or something odd (especially if they are a younger
>>>>> female) just so I can enjoy her confusion... one once told me that it
>>>>> wasn't a real coin... lol I asked for the manager
>>>>
>>>> LOL. Same confusion happens with using $2 bills. Many people think they
>>>> are counterfeit bills. A customer once paid me in cash, all $2 bills. I
>>>> had fun spending those.
>>>>
>>>> I still have a 1953 $2 bill. Saved that one since it's my birth year.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I actually have a 1956 $2 bill (I believe) in my wallet. Some time in
>>> the 50's. My great aunt gave it to me several years ago before she
>>> passed. She told me that she's had it in her wallet since she was first
>>> married. Her father gave it to her - and told her to hold onto it in
>>> case something happened or an emergency and she needed to get home. I
>>> would imagine that it would be close to $20 in today's money. It's in
>>> near mint condition, aside from being folded into quarters.
>>
>> I have a dollar that was signed by the Secretary of the Treasury. It
>> has his signature twice. Once, printed on the bill and another,
>> written on the bill. It's a pretty funny dollar.
>
> It's actually a 1953.Â* I have lots of old coins and bills, but not many
> odd ones or misprints.Â* Probably thousands of dollars of silver.Â* Kind
> of got out of collecting it years ago.

Would not that be a Silver Certificate rather than a dollar?

On 4/20/2021 4:39 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2021-04-20 2:58 p.m., Michael Trew wrote:
>> On 4/20/2021 2:30 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>
>>> I have one of these instead of a wallet. It's totally unsuitable for
>>> holding cash. The size is right though. These days I'll never carry
>>> or sit on one of those fat wallets again. In the future, I'm hoping
>>> to replace any cards I have with a cell phone or perhaps an implant.
>>>
>>> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07GLN38MH
>>
>> My father never carried a wallet.
>
> I had a friend who never carried a wallet. Maybe he really did, but he
> often seemed to have forgotten it at home when we went to a bar and it
> was his round.
>

That's convenient... haha

Do they still have bar tabs?

On Tuesday, April 20, 2021 at 5:32:13 PM UTC-10, Michael Trew wrote:
> On 4/20/2021 3:01 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Tuesday, April 20, 2021 at 8:48:16 AM UTC-10, Michael Trew wrote:
> >> On 4/20/2021 7:50 AM, Gary wrote:
> >>> Michael Trew wrote:
> >>>> If someone has bills that haven't been circulated since the 1930's, I'd
> >>>> hope they take them to a coin shop or auction, rather than spend them in
> >>>> general currency. Then again, I occasionally give a cashier an
> >>>> Eisenhower dollar or something odd (especially if they are a younger
> >>>> female) just so I can enjoy her confusion... one once told me that it
> >>>> wasn't a real coin... lol I asked for the manager
> >>>
> >>> LOL. Same confusion happens with using $2 bills. Many people think they
> >>> are counterfeit bills. A customer once paid me in cash, all $2 bills. I
> >>> had fun spending those.
> >>>
> >>> I still have a 1953 $2 bill. Saved that one since it's my birth year.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >> I actually have a 1956 $2 bill (I believe) in my wallet. Some time in
> >> the 50's. My great aunt gave it to me several years ago before she
> >> passed. She told me that she's had it in her wallet since she was first
> >> married. Her father gave it to her - and told her to hold onto it in
> >> case something happened or an emergency and she needed to get home. I
> >> would imagine that it would be close to $20 in today's money. It's in
> >> near mint condition, aside from being folded into quarters.
> >
> > I have a dollar that was signed by the Secretary of the Treasury. It has his signature twice. Once, printed on the bill and another, written on the bill. It's a pretty funny dollar.
> It's actually a 1953. I have lots of old coins and bills, but not many
> odd ones or misprints. Probably thousands of dollars of silver. Kind
> of got out of collecting it years ago.

I used to work for a property management company. Every once in a while, we'd go out an collect coins out of a building's parking meter. Going through the coins was a lot of fun!

Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> On 4/20/2021 11:32 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
> > On 4/20/2021 3:01 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, April 20, 2021 at 8:48:16 AM UTC-10, Michael Trew
> > > wrote:
> > > > On 4/20/2021 7:50 AM, Gary wrote:
> > > > > Michael Trew wrote:
> > > > > > If someone has bills that haven't been circulated since the
> > > > > > 1930's, I'd hope they take them to a coin shop or auction,
> > > > > > rather than spend them in general currency. Then again, I
> > > > > > occasionally give a cashier an Eisenhower dollar or
> > > > > > something odd (especially if they are a younger female)
> > > > > > just so I can enjoy her confusion... one once told me that
> > > > > > it wasn't a real coin... lol I asked for the manager
> > > > >
> > > > > LOL. Same confusion happens with using $2 bills. Many people
> > > > > think they are counterfeit bills. A customer once paid me in
> > > > > cash, all $2 bills. I had fun spending those.
> > > > >
> > > > > I still have a 1953 $2 bill. Saved that one since it's my
> > > > > birth year.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > I actually have a 1956 $2 bill (I believe) in my wallet. Some
> > > > time in the 50's. My great aunt gave it to me several years ago
> > > > before she passed. She told me that she's had it in her wallet
> > > > since she was first married. Her father gave it to her - and
> > > > told her to hold onto it in case something happened or an
> > > > emergency and she needed to get home. I would imagine that it
> > > > would be close to $20 in today's money. It's in near mint
> > > > condition, aside from being folded into quarters.
> > >
> > > I have a dollar that was signed by the Secretary of the Treasury.
> > > It has his signature twice. Once, printed on the bill and
> > > another, written on the bill. It's a pretty funny dollar.
> >
> > It's actually a 1953.Â* I have lots of old coins and bills, but not
> > many odd ones or misprints.Â* Probably thousands of dollars of
> > silver.Â* Kind of got out of collecting it years ago.
>
> Would not that be a Silver Certificate rather than a dollar?

I was always curious what those were worth. Saw one once.

Michael Trew wrote:
> cshenk wrote:
>> I used to enjoy alt.home.repair but it's mostly spam and very little on
>> topic now. I re-entered to ask a few pure home repair questions an
>> couldn't get any replies at all.
>
> I have been there before also... the spam pushed me away.

I don't read all posts there.
I start with 3-4 posters and read all that they wrote.
Then I'll sort by "subject" and read what sounds interesting.

That ignores most of the spam.

On 4/21/2021 8:19 AM, Gary wrote:
> Michael Trew wrote:
>> cshenk wrote:
>>> I used to enjoy alt.home.repair but it's mostly spam and very little on
>>> topic now.Â* I re-entered to ask a few pure home repair questions an
>>> couldn't get any replies at all.
>>
>> I have been there before also... the spam pushed me away.
>
> I don't read all posts there.
> I start with 3-4 posters and read all that they wrote.
> Then I'll sort by "subject" and read what sounds interesting.
>
> That ignores most of the spam.
>
>
>
>
>
You need a kill file there. Every time I download headers about 30% are
killed.

On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 09:56:38 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> You need a kill file there.

> Every time I download headers about 30% are killed.

Is that 30% after it has already kill-filed according to existing rules?

Or do you mean 70% of the traffic is friendly chat about home repairs as
well as other off-topic discussions?

(As opposed to spam, trolling & interminable vendettas.)

On 4/21/2021 10:15 AM, Mike Duffy wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 09:56:38 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> You need a kill file there.
>
>> Every time I download headers about 30% are killed.
>
> Is that 30% after it has already kill-filed according to existing rules?
>
> Or do you mean 70% of the traffic is friendly chat about home repairs as
> well as other off-topic discussions?
>
> (As opposed to spam, trolling & interminable vendettas.)
>
The last time I looked in there is was mostly anti-Trump
posts and Cindy Hamilton was in most of them. <shrug>

On 2021-04-20 11:38 p.m., Michael Trew wrote:
> On 4/20/2021 4:39 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

>>> My father never carried a wallet.
>>
>> I had a friend who never carried a wallet. Maybe he really did, but he
>> often seemed to have forgotten it at home when we went to a bar and it
>> was his round.
>>
>
> That's convenient... haha


I missed the night he went out with three other couples and every time a
round of drinks was delivered he we would slip out to the washroom.
Toward the end of the night the rest of them cooked up a plan with the
waiter. They all ordered the most expensive drinks on the menu. Of
course Cheap Bob scooted off to the washroom. The waiter came back for
the money after Bob got back. They all pointed to him and said "He's
buying" and the waited said "Yeah, you haven't paid for a drink all night."



> Do they still have bar tabs?

That would still involve him paying his share, something he always tried
hard to avoid.

On 2021-04-21 9:56 a.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 4/21/2021 8:19 AM, Gary wrote:

>> That ignores most of the spam.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> You need a kill file there.Â* Every time I download headers about 30% are
> killed.

Just 30%? Would that even hold just Bruce's posts?

On 4/21/2021 10:15 AM, Mike Duffy wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 09:56:38 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> You need a kill file there.
>
>> Every time I download headers about 30% are killed.
>
> Is that 30% after it has already kill-filed according to existing rules?
>
> Or do you mean 70% of the traffic is friendly chat about home repairs as
> well as other off-topic discussions?
>
> (As opposed to spam, trolling & interminable vendettas.)
>
There is a lot of off topic, mostly Covid, some politics, but that has
quieted a bit since the election. Most is pretty friendly but like most
newsgroups these days, little on topic threads.

There will be some auto related, small engine problems too. Recent
thread about getting best interest rates, Tolerable once you KF the
worst idiots.

On Wednesday, April 21, 2021 at 10:18:11 AM UTC-4, Dr Bruce wrote:
> On 4/21/2021 10:15 AM, Mike Duffy wrote:
> > On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 09:56:38 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >
> >> You need a kill file there.
> >
> >> Every time I download headers about 30% are killed.
> >
> > Is that 30% after it has already kill-filed according to existing rules?
> >
> > Or do you mean 70% of the traffic is friendly chat about home repairs as
> > well as other off-topic discussions?
> >
> > (As opposed to spam, trolling & interminable vendettas.)
> >
> The last time I looked in there is was mostly anti-Trump
> posts and Cindy Hamilton was in most of them. <shrug>

Now it's mostly anti-vaccine posts and I've nearly given up on
talking to those fools. <shrug>

Cindy Hamilton

On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 10:22:59 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:

> On 2021-04-20 11:38 p.m., Michael Trew wrote:

>> Do they still have bar tabs?
>
> That would still involve him paying his share, something he always tried
> hard to avoid.

But Dave. That was not his question. Exclusive clubs might do it. A bar
manager might have a habit of doing it for personal friends. I've only
ever seen this at one bar. Actually it was the same bar close to work
where we went after baseball.

After dessert my last drink was always Orish Coffee. That was during my
days of youthful experimentation, so they also brought me my own 6-
compartment spice shaker that they kept behind the bar somewhere. It had
cocoa, cinnamon, anise, cola, carob & chicory.

On 4/21/2021 10:58 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 21, 2021 at 10:18:11 AM UTC-4, Dr Bruce wrote:
>> On 4/21/2021 10:15 AM, Mike Duffy wrote:
>>> On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 09:56:38 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>
>>>> You need a kill file there.
>>>
>>>> Every time I download headers about 30% are killed.
>>>
>>> Is that 30% after it has already kill-filed according to existing rules?
>>>
>>> Or do you mean 70% of the traffic is friendly chat about home repairs as
>>> well as other off-topic discussions?
>>>
>>> (As opposed to spam, trolling & interminable vendettas.)
>>>
>> The last time I looked in there is was mostly anti-Trump
>> posts and Cindy Hamilton was in most of them. <shrug>
>
> Now it's mostly anti-vaccine posts and I've nearly given up on
> talking to those fools. <shrug>
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
Hey, it beats working like you're supposed to be doing. <shrug>

On 2021-04-21 10:58 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 21, 2021 at 10:18:11 AM UTC-4, Dr Bruce wrote:


>> The last time I looked in there is was mostly anti-Trump
>> posts and Cindy Hamilton was in most of them. <shrug>
>
> Now it's mostly anti-vaccine posts and I've nearly given up on
> talking to those fools. <shrug>

I am disappointed in one of my nephews. He is a teaching assistant and
has been prioritized for the vaccine but does not want to get it. My
son, OTOH, is a front line worker and had been lobbying for he and his
co-workers to get priority. He lucked out and cut the shot yesterday
because they dropped the age for Astrazenec. His fiancee gets hers
today. While the Pfizer vaccine is in short supply here there is an
abundance of Astrazeneca. It seems no one wants that one because there
is a very small risk of a very treatable blood clot, a minuscule risk
compared to the risk of catching Covid19, or getting a blood clot with
Covid19.

Within the last two weeks my wife and I, our son and his fiancee, my
brother and SiL, and most of my friends have had the vaccine.

On 2021-04-21 10:59 a.m., Mike Duffy wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 10:22:59 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> On 2021-04-20 11:38 p.m., Michael Trew wrote:
>
>>> Do they still have bar tabs?
>>
>> That would still involve him paying his share, something he always tried
>> hard to avoid.
>
> But Dave. That was not his question. Exclusive clubs might do it. A bar
> manager might have a habit of doing it for personal friends. I've only
> ever seen this at one bar. Actually it was the same bar close to work
> where we went after baseball.


It's been a long time since I was out drinking with a group. The
incident where this happened was an Ontario "hotel" the sort of place
had a men's side and a Ladies and Escorts side and that used to only
beer, though by that time they also sold wine and liquor. These days
the only times I go out for drinks is with my motorcycling buddies. It
is usually just me and my friend but there may be one or two others.
They generally ask if we want to run a tab, but we are only there for
one beer so we don't do that.

>
> After dessert my last drink was always Orish Coffee. That was during my
> days of youthful experimentation, so they also brought me my own 6-
> compartment spice shaker that they kept behind the bar somewhere. It had
> cocoa, cinnamon, anise, cola, carob & chicory.

I often used to pass on dessert and have a nice single malt whiskey.

Gary wrote:

> Michael Trew wrote:
> > cshenk wrote:
> > > I used to enjoy alt.home.repair but it's mostly spam and very
> > > little on topic now. I re-entered to ask a few pure home repair
> > > questions an couldn't get any replies at all.
> >
> > I have been there before also... the spam pushed me away.
>
> I don't read all posts there.
> I start with 3-4 posters and read all that they wrote.
> Then I'll sort by "subject" and read what sounds interesting.
>
> That ignores most of the spam.

You always used to say you read everything. But I guess that was before
the huge influx of trolls and froggers. I'm using a killfile for the
first time ever. I filter out aioe and Neodome and then a couple of
individuals. Very peaceful.

--
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Dave Smith wrote:

> On 2021-04-21 9:56 a.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 4/21/2021 8:19 AM, Gary wrote:
>
> > > That ignores most of the spam.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > You need a kill file there.Â* Every time I download headers about
> > 30% are killed.
>
> Just 30%? Would that even hold just Bruce's posts?

You call that sniping, don't you?

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Dr. Bruce wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> On 2021-04-21 9:56 a.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 4/21/2021 8:19 AM, Gary wrote:
>>
>>>> That ignores most of the spam.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> You need a kill file there.Â* Every time I download headers about
>>> 30% are killed.
>>
>> Just 30%? Would that even hold just Bruce's posts?
>
> You call that sniping, don't you?
>

Turnabout is fair play. You've sniffed his ass for ages, master doctor.

On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 18:23:32 +0000, Dr. Bruce wrote:

> You always used to say you read everything.

No, Bruce. I said I had not kill-filed anyone except for the real doctor
anti-charter starvation therapy pioneer Andrew B. Cheung.

Just because I look at the headers does not mean I read everything.


In fact, it always gives me a tingle of pleasure whenever I delete one of
your posts unread. Now, if I don't check the headers, I can get the same
pleasure deleting messages from your forger. It's win / win for everyone.

On Wednesday, April 21, 2021 at 3:50:25 PM UTC-5, Mike Duffy wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 18:23:32 +0000, Dr. Bruce wrote:
>
> > You always used to say you read everything.
> No, Bruce. I said I had not kill-filed anyone except for the real doctor
> anti-charter starvation therapy pioneer Andrew B. Cheung.
>
> Just because I look at the headers does not mean I read everything.
>
>
> In fact, it always gives me a tingle of pleasure whenever I delete one of
> your posts unread. Now, if I don't check the headers, I can get the same
> pleasure deleting messages from your forger. It's win / win for everyone.
>
Seems to me you're gonna have *a whole lotta tinglin' goin' on*.
>
--Bryan

Mike Duffy wrote:

> On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 18:23:32 +0000, Dr. Bruce wrote:
>
> > You always used to say you read everything.
>
> No, Bruce. I said I had not kill-filed anyone except for the real
> doctor anti-charter starvation therapy pioneer Andrew B. Cheung.
>
> Just because I look at the headers does not mean I read everything.

I wasn't talking to you. I was talking to Gary. Genius.

> In fact, it always gives me a tingle of pleasure whenever I delete
> one of your posts unread. Now, if I don't check the headers, I can
> get the same pleasure deleting messages from your forger. It's win /
> win for everyone.

Interesting. Keep us posted.

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On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 10:42:19 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2021-04-21 9:56 a.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 4/21/2021 8:19 AM, Gary wrote:
>
>>> That ignores most of the spam.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> You need a kill file there.* Every time I download headers about 30% are
>> killed.
>
>Just 30%? Would that even hold just Bruce's posts?

Most of them, at least.

On 21 Apr 2021 18:32:14 GMT, "Dr. Bruce" >
wrote:

>Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> On 2021-04-21 9:56 a.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> > On 4/21/2021 8:19 AM, Gary wrote:
>>
>> > > That ignores most of the spam.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > You need a kill file there.* Every time I download headers about
>> > 30% are killed.
>>
>> Just 30%? Would that even hold just Bruce's posts?
>
>You call that sniping, don't you?

You ****ing monumental hypocrite.

Mike Duffy wrote:

> On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 10:22:59 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> > On 2021-04-20 11:38 p.m., Michael Trew wrote:
>
> >> Do they still have bar tabs?
> >
> > That would still involve him paying his share, something he always
> > tried hard to avoid.
>
> But Dave. That was not his question. Exclusive clubs might do it. A
> bar manager might have a habit of doing it for personal friends. I've
> only ever seen this at one bar. Actually it was the same bar close to
> work where we went after baseball.
>
> After dessert my last drink was always Orish Coffee. That was during
> my days of youthful experimentation, so they also brought me my own 6-
> compartment spice shaker that they kept behind the bar somewhere. It
> had cocoa, cinnamon, anise, cola, carob & chicory.

I think it's also a bit area dependent. Here, it's pretty common but
they take your credit card to start it unless you are a regular they
can trust.

On 4/21/2021 2:23 PM, Dr. Bruce wrote:
> Gary wrote:
>
>> Michael Trew wrote:
>>> cshenk wrote:
>>>> I used to enjoy alt.home.repair but it's mostly spam and very
>>>> little on topic now. I re-entered to ask a few pure home repair
>>>> questions an couldn't get any replies at all.
>>>
>>> I have been there before also... the spam pushed me away.
>>
>> I don't read all posts there.
>> I start with 3-4 posters and read all that they wrote.
>> Then I'll sort by "subject" and read what sounds interesting.
>>
>> That ignores most of the spam.
>
> You always used to say you read everything. But I guess that was before
> the huge influx of trolls and froggers.

I read everything here in RFC and a few other small groups but I've
never read all in alt.home.repairs.


> I'm using a killfile for the
> first time ever. I filter out aioe and Neodome and then a couple of
> individuals. Very peaceful.

At least one of the trolls uses Eternal September. Filter that too?

Gary wrote:

> On 4/21/2021 2:23 PM, Dr. Bruce wrote:
> > Gary wrote:
> >
> >> Michael Trew wrote:
> > > > cshenk wrote:
> > > > > I used to enjoy alt.home.repair but it's mostly spam and very
> > > > > little on topic now. I re-entered to ask a few pure home
> > > > > repair questions an couldn't get any replies at all.
> > > >
> > > > I have been there before also... the spam pushed me away.
> > >
> > > I don't read all posts there.
> > > I start with 3-4 posters and read all that they wrote.
> > > Then I'll sort by "subject" and read what sounds interesting.
> > >
> > > That ignores most of the spam.
> >
> > You always used to say you read everything. But I guess that was
> > before the huge influx of trolls and froggers.
>
> I read everything here in RFC and a few other small groups but I've
> never read all in alt.home.repairs.
>
>
> > I'm using a killfile for the
> > first time ever. I filter out aioe and Neodome and then a couple of
> > individuals. Very peaceful.
>
> At least one of the trolls uses Eternal September. Filter that too?

By name in that case. The only one I'm not always sure about is the
Pamela frogger. They both use eternal september.

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Gary wrote:

> On 4/21/2021 2:23 PM, Dr. Bruce wrote:
> > Gary wrote:
> >
> >> Michael Trew wrote:
> > > > cshenk wrote:
> > > > > I used to enjoy alt.home.repair but it's mostly spam and very
> > > > > little on topic now. I re-entered to ask a few pure home
> > > > > repair questions an couldn't get any replies at all.
> > > >
> > > > I have been there before also... the spam pushed me away.
> > >
> > > I don't read all posts there.
> > > I start with 3-4 posters and read all that they wrote.
> > > Then I'll sort by "subject" and read what sounds interesting.
> > >
> > > That ignores most of the spam.
> >
> > You always used to say you read everything. But I guess that was
> > before the huge influx of trolls and froggers.
>
> I read everything here in RFC and a few other small groups but I've
> never read all in alt.home.repairs.
>
>
> > I'm using a killfile for the
> > first time ever. I filter out aioe and Neodome and then a couple of
> > individuals. Very peaceful.
>
> At least one of the trolls uses Eternal September. Filter that too?

That would not be good. I go after those with a different method.

On Mon, 19 Apr 2021 09:18:34 -0400, Gary wrote:

> Good example: When I tried to apply for Medicare at age 65, Social
> Security refused my signup. They detected "an unsecure network" and
> wouldn't let me do it.

Because of your browser, not your network connection.

> A customer of mine let me use her private internet one day to do it.
>
> Same thing with my bank. Using a shared network, I won't dare enter my
> account password. For that reason, I requested monthly snail mail bank
> statements.

That's not how it works when you use an up to date browser. It's
always encrypted when you establish a connections with banks and
such. It's encrypted in your browser and can only be decoded when
it reaches your banks web servers. Same with everything they send
to you over the network. They pay fees for their SSL certificates
that make all this possible, but are useless if your browser is out
of date.

=sw

On 4/23/2021 1:55 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Apr 2021 09:18:34 -0400, Gary wrote:
>
>> Good example: When I tried to apply for Medicare at age 65, Social
>> Security refused my signup. They detected "an unsecure network" and
>> wouldn't let me do it.
>
> Because of your browser, not your network connection.
>
>> A customer of mine let me use her private internet one day to do it.
>>
>> Same thing with my bank. Using a shared network, I won't dare enter my
>> account password. For that reason, I requested monthly snail mail bank
>> statements.
>
> That's not how it works when you use an up to date browser. It's
> always encrypted when you establish a connections with banks and
> such. It's encrypted in your browser and can only be decoded when
> it reaches your banks web servers. Same with everything they send
> to you over the network. They pay fees for their SSL certificates
> that make all this possible, but are useless if your browser is out
> of date.

Just to note... I wasn't using the old Netscape browser for this. I was
using Thunderbird on the neighborhood wifi connection.

It was (and still is) Thunderbird vs 45.0
I should update it, I suppose. lol

That said, it wasn't as out of date 3 years ago as it is now.
I've always heard not to use secure info (like a bank password) on a
shared network.

On Fri, 23 Apr 2021 08:00:16 -0400, Gary wrote:

> On 4/23/2021 1:55 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
>> On Mon, 19 Apr 2021 09:18:34 -0400, Gary wrote:
>>
>>> Good example: When I tried to apply for Medicare at age 65, Social
>>> Security refused my signup. They detected "an unsecure network" and
>>> wouldn't let me do it.
>>
>> Because of your browser, not your network connection.
>>
>>> A customer of mine let me use her private internet one day to do it.
>>>
>>> Same thing with my bank. Using a shared network, I won't dare enter my
>>> account password. For that reason, I requested monthly snail mail bank
>>> statements.
>>
>> That's not how it works when you use an up to date browser. It's
>> always encrypted when you establish a connections with banks and
>> such. It's encrypted in your browser and can only be decoded when
>> it reaches your banks web servers. Same with everything they send
>> to you over the network. They pay fees for their SSL certificates
>> that make all this possible, but are useless if your browser is out
>> of date.
>
> Just to note... I wasn't using the old Netscape browser for this. I was
> using Thunderbird on the neighborhood wifi connection.
>
> It was (and still is) Thunderbird vs 45.0
> I should update it, I suppose. lol
>
> That said, it wasn't as out of date 3 years ago as it is now.
> I've always heard not to use secure info (like a bank password) on a
> shared network.

Thunderbird is an email client. You don't browse the web with it.

-sw

On 4/23/2021 5:06 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Apr 2021 08:00:16 -0400, Gary wrote:
>
>> On 4/23/2021 1:55 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
>>> That's not how it works when you use an up to date browser. It's
>>> always encrypted when you establish a connections with banks and
>>> such. It's encrypted in your browser and can only be decoded when
>>> it reaches your banks web servers. Same with everything they send
>>> to you over the network. They pay fees for their SSL certificates
>>> that make all this possible, but are useless if your browser is out
>>> of date.
>>
>> Just to note... I wasn't using the old Netscape browser for this. I was
>> using Thunderbird on the neighborhood wifi connection.
>>
>> It was (and still is) Thunderbird vs 45.0
>> I should update it, I suppose. lol
>>
>> That said, it wasn't as out of date 3 years ago as it is now.
>> I've always heard not to use secure info (like a bank password) on a
>> shared network.
>
> Thunderbird is an email client. You don't browse the web with it.
>
> -sw
>
Firefox, both Mozilla products. (How funny he still has Netscape
somewhere.)

Jill

On Friday, April 16, 2021 at 9:25:59 AM UTC-5, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Apr 2021 08:21:34 -0400, Gary wrote:
>
> > Response to the real Bruce.
> >
> > Of course the phone will cost money. duh
> > My goal is to find one to replace the land line and not add a 2nd phone.
> >
> > If I can ditch the land line, that's $45 a month towards a smart phone
> > with enough minutes to carry on normally.
> You pay $45 for a landline and dialup?!?!?! I pay $45/mo for Google
> fiber 500mb plan and about $7/mo for the Tracfone as my personal
> phone (somebody else pays for my second Smartphone).
>
> -sw

Or just Tracfone for about $120 for a full year with about 2G of data, for web browsing. LG is ending its cellphone business so smartphones should be cheap.

On Fri, 23 Apr 2021 18:07:10 -0400, jmcquown wrote:

> On 4/23/2021 5:06 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>> On Fri, 23 Apr 2021 08:00:16 -0400, Gary wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/23/2021 1:55 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
>>>> That's not how it works when you use an up to date browser. It's
>>>> always encrypted when you establish a connections with banks and
>>>> such. It's encrypted in your browser and can only be decoded when
>>>> it reaches your banks web servers. Same with everything they send
>>>> to you over the network. They pay fees for their SSL certificates
>>>> that make all this possible, but are useless if your browser is out
>>>> of date.
>>>
>>> Just to note... I wasn't using the old Netscape browser for this. I was
>>> using Thunderbird on the neighborhood wifi connection.
>>>
>>> It was (and still is) Thunderbird vs 45.0
>>> I should update it, I suppose. lol
>>>
>>> That said, it wasn't as out of date 3 years ago as it is now.
>>> I've always heard not to use secure info (like a bank password) on a
>>> shared network.
>>
>> Thunderbird is an email client. You don't browse the web with it.
>>
> Firefox, both Mozilla products. (How funny he still has Netscape
> somewhere.)

His Netscape 4.73 (circa 2000) was a combo product that included
mailer and browser, IIRC. Mozilla Seamonkey would be its
predecessor.

-sw

On 24/04/2021 11:26, Sqwertz wrote:

> His Netscape 4.73 (circa 2000) was a combo product that included
> mailer and browser, IIRC. Mozilla Seamonkey would be its
> predecessor.
>
Predecessor? I would have thought it was its _successor_.

On Saturday, April 24, 2021 at 6:29:03 AM UTC-5, S Viemeister wrote:
> On 24/04/2021 11:26, Sqwertz wrote:
>
> > His Netscape 4.73 (circa 2000) was a combo product that included
> > mailer and browser, IIRC. Mozilla Seamonkey would be its
> > predecessor.
> >
> Predecessor? I would have thought it was its _successor_.
>
Which came first, the seamonkeys or the x ray specs?
>
--Bryan

On 4/23/2021 6:07 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 4/23/2021 5:06 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>> On Fri, 23 Apr 2021 08:00:16 -0400, Gary wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/23/2021 1:55 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
>>>> That's not how it works when you use an up to date browser. It's
>>>> always encrypted when you establish a connections with banks and
>>>> such. It's encrypted in your browser and can only be decoded when
>>>> it reaches your banks web servers. Same with everything they send
>>>> to you over the network. They pay fees for their SSL certificates
>>>> that make all this possible, but are useless if your browser is out
>>>> of date.
>>>
>>> Just to note... I wasn't using the old Netscape browser for this. I was
>>> using Thunderbird on the neighborhood wifi connection.
>>>
>>> It was (and still is) Thunderbird vs 45.0
>>> I should update it, I suppose. lol
>>>
>>> That said, it wasn't as out of date 3 years ago as it is now.
>>> I've always heard not to use secure info (like a bank password) on a
>>> shared network.
>>
>> Thunderbird is an email client. You don't browse the web with it.
>>
>> -sw
>>
> Firefox, both Mozilla products. (How funny he still has Netscape
> somewhere.)

Why funny? It still worked perfectly for Usenet.
That's all it was good for near the end (last November when my dialup
was cancelled).

And at the time, I used Thunderbird for email and Firefox for the newer
secure (Https) browsing. That connect is free...a perk of renting here.

Consider an 'old paid for' car. You only use it to go to a grocery
store. Would you sell that and get a new car when the old one still
works perfectly? No. Best to use it until it breaks, then replace it.

Now I use Thunderbird, Firefox and the free wifi for everything...for now.

On 4/23/2021 5:06 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Apr 2021 08:00:16 -0400, Gary wrote:
>
>> On 4/23/2021 1:55 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
>>> On Mon, 19 Apr 2021 09:18:34 -0400, Gary wrote:
>>>
>>>> Good example: When I tried to apply for Medicare at age 65, Social
>>>> Security refused my signup. They detected "an unsecure network" and
>>>> wouldn't let me do it.
>>>
>>> Because of your browser, not your network connection.
>>>
>>>> A customer of mine let me use her private internet one day to do it.
>>>>
>>>> Same thing with my bank. Using a shared network, I won't dare enter my
>>>> account password. For that reason, I requested monthly snail mail bank
>>>> statements.
>>>
>>> That's not how it works when you use an up to date browser. It's
>>> always encrypted when you establish a connections with banks and
>>> such. It's encrypted in your browser and can only be decoded when
>>> it reaches your banks web servers. Same with everything they send
>>> to you over the network. They pay fees for their SSL certificates
>>> that make all this possible, but are useless if your browser is out
>>> of date.
>>
>> Just to note... I wasn't using the old Netscape browser for this. I was
>> using Thunderbird on the neighborhood wifi connection.
>>
>> It was (and still is) Thunderbird vs 45.0
>> I should update it, I suppose. lol
>>
>> That said, it wasn't as out of date 3 years ago as it is now.
>> I've always heard not to use secure info (like a bank password) on a
>> shared network.
>
> Thunderbird is an email client. You don't browse the web with it.

Oops There you go winning again. It was Firefox v 46.0
That's what I had then (and still use).
I should upgrade that too.