I thawed out the remains of the Easter ham shank. After a few hours of
simmering, I will add canned pinto beans, and later, sliced carrots.
Meanwhile, my hot water heater is leaking, so I will be calling people who
know how to replace it. It´s within a year of being forty years old, so
Sears didn´t cheat me when they replaced it last time. Forty years ago,
Sears was a different company. I´m using my, nearly as old, plumbing outfit
this time. The water heater will be a Bradford White if the quote isn´t
ridiculous.
Anybody here hate Bradford White water heaters? It only has to last ten
years. By then, I won´t care.

leo

On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 3:02:16 AM UTC-5, Leo wrote:
>
> I thawed out the remains of the Easter ham shank. After a few hours of
> simmering, I will add canned pinto beans, and later, sliced carrots.
>
Onions too, or will that be an addition to add when served?
>
> Meanwhile, my hot water heater is leaking, so I will be calling people who
> know how to replace it. It´s within a year of being forty years old, so
> Sears didn´t cheat me when they replaced it last time. Forty years ago,
> Sears was a different company. I´m using my, nearly as old, plumbing outfit
> this time. The water heater will be a Bradford White if the quote isn´t
> ridiculous.
>
I definitely think you got your money worth out of that water heater!! Is it
gas or electric?
>
> Anybody here hate Bradford White water heaters? It only has to last ten
> years. By then, I won´t care.
>
> leo
>
I'm not familiar with that brand and they are a pain, like any appliance, to
deal with when time to replace. I don't give any of mine a second thought
until they go on the blink.
)

On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 09:20:14 -0700, wrote:

> I'm not familiar with that brand and they are a pain, like any
> appliance, to deal with when time to replace.

About 25 years ago I manhandled an 80 gallon hot water tank with probably
a few gallons of rusty water up my basement stairs.

A few years ago, I used a metal-cutting grinder blade to cut an 80 gallon
tank into 2 foot square pieces to more easily carry it out.

Dropping a new one down the stairs is easy if you do it systematically.


> I don't give any of mine a second thought until they go on the blink.

That sounds like a better approach than both my ways.

On 2021-04-26 1:01 p.m., Mike Duffy wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 09:20:14 -0700, wrote:
>
>> I'm not familiar with that brand and they are a pain, like any
>> appliance, to deal with when time to replace.
>
> About 25 years ago I manhandled an 80 gallon hot water tank with probably
> a few gallons of rusty water up my basement stairs.
>
> A few years ago, I used a metal-cutting grinder blade to cut an 80 gallon
> tank into 2 foot square pieces to more easily carry it out.
>
> Dropping a new one down the stairs is easy if you do it systematically.
>
>
>> I don't give any of mine a second thought until they go on the blink.
>
> That sounds like a better approach than both my ways.

Years ago I tried to get Ontario Hydro to stop charging me rent for my
electric water heater. I figured it had been paid for a couple times
over in rental money. They would not go for that and they would not get
me a new one if the old one was still working. I went out and bought a
new water heater and installed it myself. Then I called them and told
them to come and pick up their heater. They didn't want it. Hell, if I
had known that I could have just told them I had removed it and the rent
would have been cancelled.

When my insurance company made me replace my old oil tank the the
installer emptied the old tank and then cut it in two to get it out of
the basement. I only had that tank for two years before I switched over
to high efficiency natural gas. They didn't cut that tank in two. I am
assuming they were especially careful to get it out of there in one
piece so they could sell it.

On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 1:24:13 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> I switched over
> to high efficiency natural gas.
>
I've done some careful snipping, hope you don't mind.

When my natural gas water heater bit the dust about 2 years ago
I called the gas company thinking maybe since I was a customer I
*might* get a tiny break on the price. HA! They were much more
expensive than a plumber by about $400.

Leo wrote:

> I thawed out the remains of the Easter ham shank. After a few hours
> of simmering, I will add canned pinto beans, and later, sliced
> carrots. Meanwhile, my hot water heater is leaking, so I will be
> calling people who know how to replace it. It´s within a year of
> being forty years old, so Sears didn´t cheat me when they replaced it
> last time. Forty years ago, Sears was a different company. I´m using
> my, nearly as old, plumbing outfit this time. The water heater will
> be a Bradford White if the quote isn´t ridiculous.
> Anybody here hate Bradford White water heaters? It only has to last
> ten years. By then, I won´t care.
>
> leo


Ask them, theyre here
--
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On 2021-04-26 2:49 p.m., wrote:
> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 1:24:13 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> I switched over
>> to high efficiency natural gas.
>>
> I've done some careful snipping, hope you don't mind.
>
> When my natural gas water heater bit the dust about 2 years ago
> I called the gas company thinking maybe since I was a customer I
> *might* get a tiny break on the price. HA! They were much more
> expensive than a plumber by about $400.
>
My friend's gas water heater died a couple months ago. He asked me to
recommend a plumber who could replace it for him, but I asked if he
owned or rented. He rented, so he called the gas company and they sent
two guys out the next day and replaced it for free.

Leo wrote:

> I thawed out the remains of the Easter ham shank. After a few hours
> of simmering, I will add canned pinto beans, and later, sliced
> carrots. Meanwhile, my hot water heater is leaking, so I will be
> calling people who know how to replace it. It´s within a year of
> being forty years old, so Sears didn´t cheat me when they replaced it
> last time. Forty years ago, Sears was a different company. I´m using
> my, nearly as old, plumbing outfit this time. The water heater will
> be a Bradford White if the quote isn´t ridiculous.
> Anybody here hate Bradford White water heaters? It only has to last
> ten years. By then, I won´t care.
>
> leo

Hi Leo, I replaced a 40 year old one about 2 years ago. It was
starting to fail and was a good time to upgrade to a more energy
efficient model. 'Proline' is what it says. It was a combo deal with
the gas HVAC (it's gas too).

On 4/26/2021 4:02 AM, Leo wrote:
> I thawed out the remains of the Easter ham shank. After a few hours of
> simmering, I will add canned pinto beans, and later, sliced carrots.
> Meanwhile, my hot water heater is leaking, so I will be calling people who
> know how to replace it. It´s within a year of being forty years old, so
> Sears didn´t cheat me when they replaced it last time. Forty years ago,
> Sears was a different company. I´m using my, nearly as old, plumbing outfit
> this time. The water heater will be a Bradford White if the quote isn´t
> ridiculous.
> Anybody here hate Bradford White water heaters? It only has to last ten
> years. By then, I won´t care.
>
> leo
>
I've no knowledge of Bradford White water heaters. I had to have mine
(electric) replaced last October. After checking with local plumbers
and getting outrageous quotes (not to mention, they were all booked up
for a month!) I wound up going to Lowe's and bought one and they came
out in two days to install it and haul away the broken one. A.O. Smith
is the brand and the price including installation was very reasonable.
One of the installers told me even though the Mfg. warranty is only 10
years it will likely last 20 or more.

BTW, I would have used that ham shank to make my Dad's Navy Bean Soup.
I'm sure your ham & pinto beans were quite good, though.

Jill

On 2021-04-26 6:06 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
> On 4/26/2021 4:02 AM, Leo wrote:
eo
>>
> I've no knowledge of Bradford White water heaters.Â* I had to have mine
> (electric) replaced last October.Â* After checking with local plumbers
> and getting outrageous quotes (not to mention, they were all booked up
> for a month!) I wound up going to Lowe's and bought one and they came
> out in two days to install it and haul away the broken one.Â* A.O. Smith
> is the brand and the price including installation was very reasonable.
> One of the installers told me even though the Mfg. warranty is only 10
> years it will likely last 20 or more.
>


I don't know what you consider to be outrageous. I just checked out Home
Depot prices and you can get an electric hot water heater for under
$700. You would need pressure relief valve (about $25) and little bit
of plumbing done. While I did mine myself I would think that it is
probably a two man job to get the old tank in and the old one out
without doing damage. I would think 2 hours labour at the very most.



> BTW, I would have used that ham shank to make my Dad's Navy Bean Soup.
> I'm sure your ham & pinto beans were quite good, though.
>
>


Thai style food tonight. Beef wraps using julienned carrot and
cucumber,chopped mango, mint, cilantro and strips of leftover NY Strip
steaks that had been marinated in soy sauce with some very finely
chopped Thai pepper. Dressed in a mixture of lime juice and low sodium
soya sauce. Mixed it up with some chopped arugala and rolled it up in
rice paper.

I also made a nice spicy soup using low sodium chicken broth, a dash of
low sodium soya sauce, one star anise, a little basil, a bit of lime
juice and heated it up with half a Thai pepper. I removed the pepper for
serving. It was still really spicy.


I

On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 5:13:34 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2021-04-26 2:49 p.m., wrote:
> > On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 1:24:13 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> >>
> >> I switched over
> >> to high efficiency natural gas.
> >>
> > I've done some careful snipping, hope you don't mind.
> >
> > When my natural gas water heater bit the dust about 2 years ago
> > I called the gas company thinking maybe since I was a customer I
> > *might* get a tiny break on the price. HA! They were much more
> > expensive than a plumber by about $400.
> >
> My friend's gas water heater died a couple months ago. He asked me to
> recommend a plumber who could replace it for him, but I asked if he
> owned or rented. He rented, so he called the gas company and they sent
> two guys out the next day and replaced it for free.

I'd never heard of renting a water heater from the utility before. I can't
imagine it's a good bet.

Cindy Hamilton

On 4/26/2021 5:13 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2021-04-26 2:49 p.m., wrote:
>> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 1:24:13 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>> I switched over
>>> to high efficiency natural gas.
>>>
>> I've done some careful snipping, hope you don't mind.
>>
>> When my natural gas water heater bit the dust about 2 years ago
>> I called the gas company thinking maybe since I was a customer I
>> *might* get a tiny break on the price. HA! They were much more
>> expensive than a plumber by about $400.
>>
> My friend's gas water heater died a couple months ago. He asked me to
> recommend a plumber who could replace it for him, but I asked if he
> owned or rented. He rented, so he called the gas company and they sent
> two guys out the next day and replaced it for free.

If he rented, he should have just called his landlord. They should
maintain the basics like that.

Although it seems free, it's not really. The cost of rent includes
maintainence. Same as stores inflating prices to cover the cost of
shoplifters.

On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 6:54:38 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> On 4/26/2021 5:13 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> > On 2021-04-26 2:49 p.m., wrote:
> >> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 1:24:13 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I switched over
> >>> to high efficiency natural gas.
> >>>
> >> I've done some careful snipping, hope you don't mind.
> >>
> >> When my natural gas water heater bit the dust about 2 years ago
> >> I called the gas company thinking maybe since I was a customer I
> >> *might* get a tiny break on the price. HA! They were much more
> >> expensive than a plumber by about $400.
> >>
> > My friend's gas water heater died a couple months ago. He asked me to
> > recommend a plumber who could replace it for him, but I asked if he
> > owned or rented. He rented, so he called the gas company and they sent
> > two guys out the next day and replaced it for free.
> If he rented, he should have just called his landlord. They should
> maintain the basics like that.

He rented the _water heater_ from the utility. No landlord was involved.

Cindy Hamilton

On 2021-04-27 4:49 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 5:13:34 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>>>
>> My friend's gas water heater died a couple months ago. He asked me to
>> recommend a plumber who could replace it for him, but I asked if he
>> owned or rented. He rented, so he called the gas company and they sent
>> two guys out the next day and replaced it for free.
>
> I'd never heard of renting a water heater from the utility before. I can't
> imagine it's a good bet.
>


It's quite common here. If it is electric it is supplied by the
electricity provider and if gas, but the gas company. I suppose the
advantage is that they repair or replace it if there is a problem. When
I had the electric heater from Ontario Hydro the rental was $6 a month.
That seemed reasonable enough until I realized I could buy one at the
time for $180, That means I was paying for it every 3 1/2 years.

On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 9:40:16 AM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2021-04-27 4:49 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 5:13:34 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> >
> >>>
> >> My friend's gas water heater died a couple months ago. He asked me to
> >> recommend a plumber who could replace it for him, but I asked if he
> >> owned or rented. He rented, so he called the gas company and they sent
> >> two guys out the next day and replaced it for free.
> >
> > I'd never heard of renting a water heater from the utility before. I can't
> > imagine it's a good bet.
> >
> It's quite common here. If it is electric it is supplied by the
> electricity provider and if gas, but the gas company. I suppose the
> advantage is that they repair or replace it if there is a problem. When
> I had the electric heater from Ontario Hydro the rental was $6 a month.
> That seemed reasonable enough until I realized I could buy one at the
> time for $180, That means I was paying for it every 3 1/2 years.

My point exactly. Renting is almost always a poor ROI.

Cindy Hamilton

On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 09:40:11 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:

> On 2021-04-27 4:49 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>> I'd never heard of renting a water heater from the utility before. I can't
>> imagine it's a good bet.
>
> It's quite common here. If it is electric it is supplied by the
> electricity provider and if gas, but the gas company. I suppose the
> advantage is that they repair or replace it if there is a problem.

But then they made you pay to have it hauled away. I would have
insisted they pick their shit up (even if was free to throw away).

-sw

On 2021-04-27 12:14 p.m., Sqwertz wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 09:40:11 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> On 2021-04-27 4:49 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>>> I'd never heard of renting a water heater from the utility before. I can't
>>> imagine it's a good bet.
>>
>> It's quite common here. If it is electric it is supplied by the
>> electricity provider and if gas, but the gas company. I suppose the
>> advantage is that they repair or replace it if there is a problem.
>
> But then they made you pay to have it hauled away. I would have
> insisted they pick their shit up (even if was free to throw away).
>

I related my experience with my electric heater rental earlier. I wanted
them to replace it with a newer more efficient one. They would not do
that, so I asked them to stop charging me rent. They would not do that.
I replaced it myself and told them to come and get their tank. They
didn't want to do that. Nuts to that. They would not cancel my rental,
but now they didn't want their old heater? Nuts to that. I insisted
that they come and retrieve their equipment. They did.

Dave Smith wrote:

> On 2021-04-27 4:49 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 5:13:34 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> >
> > > >
> > > My friend's gas water heater died a couple months ago. He asked
> > > me to recommend a plumber who could replace it for him, but I
> > > asked if he owned or rented. He rented, so he called the gas
> > > company and they sent two guys out the next day and replaced it
> > > for free.
> >
> > I'd never heard of renting a water heater from the utility before.
> > I can't imagine it's a good bet.
> >
>
>
> It's quite common here. If it is electric it is supplied by the
> electricity provider and if gas, but the gas company. I suppose the
> advantage is that they repair or replace it if there is a problem.
> When I had the electric heater from Ontario Hydro the rental was $6 a
> month. That seemed reasonable enough until I realized I could buy one
> at the time for $180, That means I was paying for it every 3 1/2
> years.

Same thing with Cable companies here. You can buy your own router with
some of them but some will charge rental no matter what.

On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 4:02:16 AM UTC-4, Leo wrote:
> I thawed out the remains of the Easter ham shank. After a few hours of
> simmering, I will add canned pinto beans, and later, sliced carrots.
> Meanwhile, my hot water heater is leaking, so I will be calling people who
> know how to replace it. It´s within a year of being forty years old, so
> Sears didn´t cheat me when they replaced it last time. Forty years ago,
> Sears was a different company. I´m using my, nearly as old, plumbing outfit
> this time. The water heater will be a Bradford White if the quote isn´t
> ridiculous.
> Anybody here hate Bradford White water heaters? It only has to last ten
> years. By then, I won´t care.

You cook on top of a heater or a furnace. Some furnaces in big buildings are hot enough to cook a lot of stuff.

On 4/27/2021 12:49 PM, cshenk wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> On 2021-04-27 4:49 a.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 5:13:34 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>> My friend's gas water heater died a couple months ago. He asked
>>>> me to recommend a plumber who could replace it for him, but I
>>>> asked if he owned or rented. He rented, so he called the gas
>>>> company and they sent two guys out the next day and replaced it
>>>> for free.
>>>
>>> I'd never heard of renting a water heater from the utility before.
>>> I can't imagine it's a good bet.
>>>
>>
>>
>> It's quite common here. If it is electric it is supplied by the
>> electricity provider and if gas, but the gas company. I suppose the
>> advantage is that they repair or replace it if there is a problem.
>> When I had the electric heater from Ontario Hydro the rental was $6 a
>> month. That seemed reasonable enough until I realized I could buy one
>> at the time for $180, That means I was paying for it every 3 1/2
>> years.
>
> Same thing with Cable companies here. You can buy your own router with
> some of them but some will charge rental no matter what.
>
You're really good at cutting cox off, Carol.

On 4/26/2021 5:13 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2021-04-26 2:49 p.m., wrote:
>> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 1:24:13 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>> I switched over
>>> to high efficiency natural gas.
>>>
>> I've done some careful snipping, hope you don't mind.
>>
>> When my natural gas water heater bit the dust about 2 years ago
>> I called the gas company thinking maybe since I was a customer I
>> *might* get a tiny break on the price. HA!Â* They were much more
>> expensive than a plumber by about $400.
> My friend's gas water heater died a couple months ago. He asked me to
> recommend a plumber who could replace it for him, butÂ* I asked if he
> owned or rented. He rented, so he called the gas company and they sent
> two guys out the next day and replaced it for free.
>
>

Oh, he paid for it. Still is. They make it cheap to get one but over
time, not so cheap.

On 2021-04-27 3:08 p.m., Heywood wrote:
> On 4/26/2021 5:13 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

>> My friend's gas water heater died a couple months ago. He asked me to
>> recommend a plumber who could replace it for him, butÂ* I asked if he
>> owned or rented. He rented, so he called the gas company and they sent
>> two guys out the next day and replaced it for free.
>>
>>
>
> Oh, he paid for it.Â* Still is.Â* They make it cheap to get one but over
> time, not so cheap.

You and I know that. I already explained what happened with my electric
hot water heater. My measly rent covered the purchase price of that
heater every 3 1/2 years. I got more than 30 years out of that heater
before I switched to gas. I have had the gas heater for more than 10
years so I think I am ahead of the game.

Leo wrote:

> I thawed out the remains of the Easter ham shank. After a few hours
> of simmering, I will add canned pinto beans, and later, sliced
> carrots. Meanwhile, my hot water heater is leaking, so I will be
> calling people who know how to replace it. It´s within a year of
> being forty years old, so Sears didn´t cheat me when they replaced it
> last time. Forty years ago, Sears was a different company. I´m using
> my, nearly as old, plumbing outfit this time. The water heater will
> be a Bradford White if the quote isn´t ridiculous.
> Anybody here hate Bradford White water heaters? It only has to last
> ten years. By then, I won´t care.
>
> leo

Ask them, theyre here
--
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On 2021 Apr 26, , jmcquown wrote
(in article >):

> BTW, I would have used that ham shank to make my Dad's Navy Bean Soup.
> I'm sure your ham & pinto beans were quite good, though.

Here are the Ham ´n Pintos. The ham from a Easter ham shank makes far
better broth with a lot more meat than the smaller smoked ham shanks I
normally use. I´m pretty sure I´ve posted a similar picture
before.
I added more beans for our second meal. The first meal didn´t have
enough.

<https://postimg.cc/kV3KmM1V>

leo

On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 9:20:28 PM UTC-5, Leo wrote:
>
> Here are the Ham ´n Pintos. The ham from a Easter ham shank makes far
> better broth with a lot more meat than the smaller smoked ham shanks I
> normally use. I´m pretty sure I´ve posted a similar picture
> before.
> I added more beans for our second meal. The first meal didn´t have
> enough.
>
> <https://postimg.cc/kV3KmM1V>
>
> leo
>
You did good!! I bet the carrots were good in the beans, as well. A skillet
of cornbread, too?

On 2021 Apr 28, , wrote
(in >):

> You did good!! I bet the carrots were good in the beans, as well. A skillet
> of cornbread, too?

Shhhhhh! I forgot the cornbread, and my wife was kind enough to not mention
it. This the first time that my error has hit me like a thunderbolt.Thanks!
We needed skillet cornbread, and I forgot until just now. She is right behind
me. I´m going to mention it. She just said, "It would have been great."
Well, hell!
I blame it on the water heater.

On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 10:45:21 PM UTC-5, Leo wrote:
>
> On 2021 Apr 28, , wrote
> (in >):
>
> > You did good!! I bet the carrots were good in the beans, as well. A skillet
> > of cornbread, too?
> >
> Shhhhhh! I forgot the cornbread, and my wife was kind enough to not mention
> it. This the first time that my error has hit me like a thunderbolt.Thanks!
> We needed skillet cornbread, and I forgot until just now. She is right behind
> me. I´m going to mention it. She just said, "It would have been great."
> Well, hell!
> I blame it on the water heater.
>
Har-har-har-har! If there's any left over you can make a skillet Thursday
night. Add a bowl of chopped onions on the table to add to the beans and
you'll really be a hero.

Dave Smith wrote:

> On 2021-04-26 1:01 p.m., Mike Duffy wrote:
> > On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 09:20:14 -0700, wrote:
> >
> > > I'm not familiar with that brand and they are a pain, like any
> > > appliance, to deal with when time to replace.
> >
> > About 25 years ago I manhandled an 80 gallon hot water tank with
> > probably a few gallons of rusty water up my basement stairs.
> >
> > A few years ago, I used a metal-cutting grinder blade to cut an 80
> > gallon tank into 2 foot square pieces to more easily carry it out.
> >
> > Dropping a new one down the stairs is easy if you do it
> > systematically.
> >
> >
> > > I don't give any of mine a second thought until they go on the
> > > blink.
> >
> > That sounds like a better approach than both my ways.
>
> Years ago I tried to get Ontario Hydro to stop charging me rent for
> my electric water heater. I figured it had been paid for a couple
> times over in rental money. They would not go for that and they
> would not get me a new one if the old one was still working. I went
> out and bought a new water heater and installed it myself. Then I
> called them and told them to come and pick up their heater. They
> didn't want it. Hell, if I had known that I could have just told them
> I had removed it and the rent would have been cancelled.
>
> When my insurance company made me replace my old oil tank the the
> installer emptied the old tank and then cut it in two to get it out
> of the basement. I only had that tank for two years before I switched
> over to high efficiency natural gas. They didn't cut that tank in
> two. I am assuming they were especially careful to get it out of
> there in one piece so they could sell it.
>
>

Ask them, theyre here
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On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 07:01:14 -0000 (UTC), "Dr. Bruce"
> wrote:

>Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> On 2021-04-26 1:01 p.m., Mike Duffy wrote:
>> > On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 09:20:14 -0700, wrote:
>> >
>> > > I'm not familiar with that brand and they are a pain, like any
>> > > appliance, to deal with when time to replace.
>> >
>> > About 25 years ago I manhandled an 80 gallon hot water tank with
>> > probably a few gallons of rusty water up my basement stairs.
>> >
>> > A few years ago, I used a metal-cutting grinder blade to cut an 80
>> > gallon tank into 2 foot square pieces to more easily carry it out.
>> >
>> > Dropping a new one down the stairs is easy if you do it
>> > systematically.
>> >
>> >
>> > > I don't give any of mine a second thought until they go on the
>> > > blink.
>> >
>> > That sounds like a better approach than both my ways.
>>
>> Years ago I tried to get Ontario Hydro to stop charging me rent for
>> my electric water heater. I figured it had been paid for a couple
>> times over in rental money. They would not go for that and they
>> would not get me a new one if the old one was still working. I went
>> out and bought a new water heater and installed it myself. Then I
>> called them and told them to come and pick up their heater. They
>> didn't want it. Hell, if I had known that I could have just told them
>> I had removed it and the rent would have been cancelled.
>>
>> When my insurance company made me replace my old oil tank the the
>> installer emptied the old tank and then cut it in two to get it out
>> of the basement. I only had that tank for two years before I switched
>> over to high efficiency natural gas. They didn't cut that tank in
>> two. I am assuming they were especially careful to get it out of
>> there in one piece so they could sell it.

Failed water heaters should always be replaced with tankless
on-demand... easily saves the cost of replacement the first year.

On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 7:47:15 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>
> Failed water heaters should always be replaced with tankless
> on-demand... easily saves the cost of replacement the first year.
>
Sorry, but no it does not save the cost of replacement the first year.
Also, tankless can fail just like a plain old water heater and their
guarantee is no better than a gas or electric water heater.free standing
tank.

My gas bill for the past year was $744. That was for the gas water
heater, gas central air, and gas kitchen range. The cost of installation
of a tankless system is in the range of $1700 plus the cost of the
tank. On a.v.e.r.a.g.e. the total cost is $3000-$5000; even at the lower
end it would not save the cost of replacement the first year. Try 4 years.

Leo wrote:

> On 2021 Apr 28, , wrote
> (in >):
>
> > You did good!! I bet the carrots were good in the beans, as well. A
> > skillet of cornbread, too?
>
> Shhhhhh! I forgot the cornbread, and my wife was kind enough to not
> mention it. This the first time that my error has hit me like a
> thunderbolt.Thanks! We needed skillet cornbread, and I forgot until
> just now. She is right behind me. I´m going to mention it. She just
> said, "It would have been great." Well, hell!
> I blame it on the water heater.

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wrote:

> On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 7:47:15 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
> >
> > Failed water heaters should always be replaced with tankless
> > on-demand... easily saves the cost of replacement the first year.
> >
> Sorry, but no it does not save the cost of replacement the first year.
> Also, tankless can fail just like a plain old water heater and their
> guarantee is no better than a gas or electric water heater.free
> standing tank.
>
> My gas bill for the past year was $744. That was for the gas water
> heater, gas central air, and gas kitchen range. The cost of
> installation of a tankless system is in the range of $1700 plus the
> cost of the tank. On a.v.e.r.a.g.e. the total cost is $3000-$5000;
> even at the lower end it would not save the cost of replacement the
> first year. Try 4 years.

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On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 wrote:

>On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 7:47:15 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>>
>> Failed water heaters should always be replaced with tankless
>> on-demand... easily saves the cost of replacement the first year.
>>
>Sorry, but no it does not save the cost of replacement the first year.
>Also, tankless can fail just like a plain old water heater and their
>guarantee is no better than a gas or electric water heater.free standing
>tank.
>
>My gas bill for the past year was $744. That was for the gas water
>heater, gas central air, and gas kitchen range. The cost of installation
>of a tankless system is in the range of $1700 plus the cost of the
>tank.

Cost of what tank, there is no tank, that's why it's called
tankless... you over paid, someone ripped you off. The system can
cost $1,700 depending on the size unit and how complex the plumbing
but that's one time only, for the next 20+ years there is no cost
other than the small amout of gas used. Mine cut my propane usage for
hot water by more than half... there's no tank of hot water to
maintain... soon as I open a hot water tap the unit turns on and hot
water is endless until it runs out of water.
The entire unit is about twice the size of a shoebox. sits on a
basement wall but can be anywhere, even outdoors depending on your
outside temperature.

On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 7:06:46 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 wrote:
>
> >On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 7:47:15 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
> >>
> >> Failed water heaters should always be replaced with tankless
> >> on-demand... easily saves the cost of replacement the first year.
> >>
> >Sorry, but no it does not save the cost of replacement the first year.
> >Also, tankless can fail just like a plain old water heater and their
> >guarantee is no better than a gas or electric water heater.free standing
> >tank.
> >
> >My gas bill for the past year was $744. That was for the gas water
> >heater, gas central air, and gas kitchen range. The cost of installation
> >of a tankless system is in the range of $1700 plus the cost of the
> >tank.
> Cost of what tank, there is no tank, that's why it's called
> tankless... you over paid, someone ripped you off. The system can
> cost $1,700 depending on the size unit and how complex the plumbing
> but that's one time only, for the next 20+ years there is no cost
> other than the small amout of gas used. Mine cut my propane usage for
> hot water by more than half... there's no tank of hot water to
> maintain... soon as I open a hot water tap the unit turns on and hot
> water is endless until it runs out of water.
> The entire unit is about twice the size of a shoebox. sits on a
> basement wall but can be anywhere, even outdoors depending on your
> outside temperature.
>
They make a lot more sense when using delivered propane than when
using cheap natural gas. During heating season, they don't save money,
because the heat lost from conventional water heating ends up inside
the house anyway, but during cooling season they make a difference.
>
--Bryan

On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 17:19:11 -0700 (PDT), Bryan Simmons
> wrote:

>On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 7:06:46 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>> On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 wrote:
>>
>> >On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 7:47:15 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Failed water heaters should always be replaced with tankless
>> >> on-demand... easily saves the cost of replacement the first year.
>> >>
>> >Sorry, but no it does not save the cost of replacement the first year.
>> >Also, tankless can fail just like a plain old water heater and their
>> >guarantee is no better than a gas or electric water heater.free standing
>> >tank.
>> >
>> >My gas bill for the past year was $744. That was for the gas water
>> >heater, gas central air, and gas kitchen range. The cost of installation
>> >of a tankless system is in the range of $1700 plus the cost of the
>> >tank.
>> Cost of what tank, there is no tank, that's why it's called
>> tankless... you over paid, someone ripped you off. The system can
>> cost $1,700 depending on the size unit and how complex the plumbing
>> but that's one time only, for the next 20+ years there is no cost
>> other than the small amout of gas used. Mine cut my propane usage for
>> hot water by more than half... there's no tank of hot water to
>> maintain... soon as I open a hot water tap the unit turns on and hot
>> water is endless until it runs out of water.
>> The entire unit is about twice the size of a shoebox. sits on a
>> basement wall but can be anywhere, even outdoors depending on your
>> outside temperature.
>>
>They make a lot more sense when using delivered propane than when
>using cheap natural gas.

Propane costs more than natural gas, if natural gas was available here
that's what I'd use for everything... I heat with propane, cook with
propane, and use propane for hot water, even for my outdoor grill. If
I had natural gas I'd save about 30%. Electric costs more than twice
propane... and I want nothing to do with electric cooking.... electric
is good for tea kettles that shut off when the water boils but not for
cooking.

On 4/29/2021 8:19 PM, Bryan Simmons wrote:

>> Cost of what tank, there is no tank, that's why it's called
>> tankless... you over paid, someone ripped you off. The system can
>> cost $1,700 depending on the size unit and how complex the plumbing
>> but that's one time only, for the next 20+ years there is no cost
>> other than the small amout of gas used. Mine cut my propane usage for
>> hot water by more than half... there's no tank of hot water to
>> maintain... soon as I open a hot water tap the unit turns on and hot
>> water is endless until it runs out of water.
>> The entire unit is about twice the size of a shoebox. sits on a
>> basement wall but can be anywhere, even outdoors depending on your
>> outside temperature.
>>
> They make a lot more sense when using delivered propane than when
> using cheap natural gas. During heating season, they don't save money,
> because the heat lost from conventional water heating ends up inside
> the house anyway, but during cooling season they make a difference.
>>
> --Bryan
>
I have gas hot water and have a 40 gallon tank. I use gas for grilling,
cooking, drying clothes. May gas use ranges $15 to $20 a month.
Tankless would do nothing for me.

This is last month's bill
Distribution Charge 13.6 THMS @ $0.39280 $5.34
PGA 13.6 THMS @ $1.03639 $14.09

On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 7:06:46 PM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 wrote:
> >
> >My gas bill for the past year was $744. That was for the gas water
> >heater, gas central air, and gas kitchen range. The cost of installation
> >of a tankless system is in the range of $1700 plus the cost of the
> >tank.
> >
> Cost of what tank, there is no tank, that's why it's called
> tankless... you over paid, someone ripped you off.
>
I don't have a tankless system, evidently, that fall must have messed with your
reading abilities as well.

There may not be a 'tank' as in a regular stand-alone water heater, but there
is an apparatus you buy plus the cost of installation.
>
> The system can
> cost $1,700 depending on the size unit and how complex the plumbing
> but that's one time only, for the next 20+ years there is no cost
> other than the small amout of gas used.
>
$1700 PLUS the installation cost and any running of gas lines.
>
> there's no tank of hot water to
> maintain... soon as I open a hot water tap the unit turns on and hot
> water is endless until it runs out of water.
>
Yes, I know that.
>
> The entire unit is about twice the size of a shoebox. sits on a
> basement wall but can be anywhere, even outdoors depending on your
> outside temperature.
>
I'm glad you are pleased with yours, but I'd never recoup the cost of installing
one at my age. And I'm certainly not going to tear out a 2-year-old water to
install one. If I were building a new house I'd consider one if they came with
a better guarantee.

On 4/29/2021 9:56 PM, wrote:

>>
>> The system can
>> cost $1,700 depending on the size unit and how complex the plumbing
>> but that's one time only, for the next 20+ years there is no cost
>> other than the small amout of gas used.
>>
> $1700 PLUS the installation cost and any running of gas lines.
>>
>> there's no tank of hot water to
>> maintain... soon as I open a hot water tap the unit turns on and hot
>> water is endless until it runs out of water.
>>
> Yes, I know that.
>>
>> The entire unit is about twice the size of a shoebox. sits on a
>> basement wall but can be anywhere, even outdoors depending on your
>> outside temperature.
>>
> I'm glad you are pleased with yours, but I'd never recoup the cost of installing
> one at my age. And I'm certainly not going to tear out a 2-year-old water to
> install one. If I were building a new house I'd consider one if they came with
> a better guarantee.
>
Can make sense in some places but not many. My friend has one in her
vacation home. It can sit empty for weeks so keeping a tank hot would
be costly.
I'd save at best 5 bucks a month.At least a 25 year payback.

On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 9:14:54 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 4/29/2021 8:19 PM, Bryan Simmons wrote:
>
> >> Cost of what tank, there is no tank, that's why it's called
> >> tankless... you over paid, someone ripped you off. The system can
> >> cost $1,700 depending on the size unit and how complex the plumbing
> >> but that's one time only, for the next 20+ years there is no cost
> >> other than the small amout of gas used. Mine cut my propane usage for
> >> hot water by more than half... there's no tank of hot water to
> >> maintain... soon as I open a hot water tap the unit turns on and hot
> >> water is endless until it runs out of water.
> >> The entire unit is about twice the size of a shoebox. sits on a
> >> basement wall but can be anywhere, even outdoors depending on your
> >> outside temperature.
> >>
> > They make a lot more sense when using delivered propane than when
> > using cheap natural gas. During heating season, they don't save money,
> > because the heat lost from conventional water heating ends up inside
> > the house anyway, but during cooling season they make a difference.
> >>
> > --Bryan
> >
> I have gas hot water and have a 40 gallon tank. I use gas for grilling,

Yuck! Wow. That certainly doesn't have a hickory taste.

On Saturday, May 1, 2021 at 8:29:49 AM UTC-4, bruce bowser wrote:
> On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 9:14:54 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 4/29/2021 8:19 PM, Bryan Simmons wrote:
> >
> > >> Cost of what tank, there is no tank, that's why it's called
> > >> tankless... you over paid, someone ripped you off. The system can
> > >> cost $1,700 depending on the size unit and how complex the plumbing
> > >> but that's one time only, for the next 20+ years there is no cost
> > >> other than the small amout of gas used. Mine cut my propane usage for
> > >> hot water by more than half... there's no tank of hot water to
> > >> maintain... soon as I open a hot water tap the unit turns on and hot
> > >> water is endless until it runs out of water.
> > >> The entire unit is about twice the size of a shoebox. sits on a
> > >> basement wall but can be anywhere, even outdoors depending on your
> > >> outside temperature.
> > >>
> > > They make a lot more sense when using delivered propane than when
> > > using cheap natural gas. During heating season, they don't save money,
> > > because the heat lost from conventional water heating ends up inside
> > > the house anyway, but during cooling season they make a difference.
> > >>
> > > --Bryan
> > >
> > I have gas hot water and have a 40 gallon tank. I use gas for grilling,
> Yuck! Wow. That certainly doesn't have a hickory taste.

For serious grilling, I favor lump hardwood charcoal. That doesn't have
a hickory taste, either.

If I want smoke, I generally use applewood.

Cindy Hamilton