Sqwertz wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 16:47:44 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe wrote:
>
>> Just saying!
>>
>> They reorder never works and their phone system takes FOREVER!
>>
>> I chose NOT to wait for it! **** Vitacost!
>>
>> John Kuthe, RN, BSN..
> Did you email them this? Maybe they'll send you some free melatonin.
>
> ObFood: Another rubber chicken dinner at the Food Bank Award
> Ceremony at the Stephen F Austin hotel. Same rolled rubber chicken
> breast as the last two ceremonies, just a different locale. Maybe I
> should invest - anybody know a rubber chicken broker?
>
> -sw

Never get chicken at a banquet.Â* It's always rubbery.

https://www.partysuppliesdelivered.c...Ad%20Group%201

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 5:18:52 AM UTC-4, wrote:
>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 3:55:15 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 7:47:48 PM UTC-4, wrote:
>>>> Just saying!
>>>>
>>>> They reorder never works and their phone system takes FOREVER!
>>>>
>>>> I chose NOT to wait for it! **** Vitacost!
>>> Whatever you buy from them, you probably can get it elsewhere.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>> Like Planet DRY laundry soap?
>>
>> Let me know where, please.
>>
>> John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
> Amazon.
> Kroger.
>
> There were a bunch of other hits, but a smart guy like you should
> be able to do your own search. For you, I recommend:
> <https://duckduckgo.com/?q=planet+dry+laundry+soap&va=b&t=hc&ia=web>
>
> Cindy Hamilton

He's probably a closet Amazon shopper.Â* I'd bet they are there at least
once a month.

On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 6:18:44 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> On 4/27/2021 6:37 PM, Bryan Simmons wrote:
> > On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 5:15:56 PM UTC-5, Jim Lahey wrote:
> >> On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 14:54:13 -0700 (PDT), GM
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 4:36:57 PM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> >>>> On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 17:28:13 -0400, Dave Smith
> >>>> > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 2021-04-27 5:15 p.m., Bryan Simmons wrote:
> >>>>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 3:58:00 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> He's got a degree in Computer Scientology
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --Bryan
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> That's a new one.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> Most of my attempts at humor fall flat here.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I can't argue with you there.
> >>>>> Maybe you should consider that some people are so bored of you constant
> >>>>> ragging on the sick puppy that they don't bother reading carefully
> >>>>> enough to notice your attempt at humour.
> >>>> You should take your own advice there, Davey boy.
> >>>>
> >>>> Your posts are at best, extremely mundane and repetitive. It's like
> >>>> you have a limited number of scenarios in your head to choose from for
> >>>> discussion.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> True...it's like every day is Groundhog Day for him - and US...
> >>>
> >>> Jayne Wyman was asked why she divorced Ronald Reagan, her reply was, "He just NEVER shut up...i eventually just told him, 'Oh, Ronnie, why don't you go and shit in a hat!'...!!!"
> >>>
> >> LOL
> >>
> > He shit in the hat of organized labor.
> Were you a member of a labor union during Reagan's presidency or do you
> just like dragging up ancient history? In that regard you're much like
> Kuthe.
>
I understand political economy. I was never a member of a union, but
I'm an economics nerd.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/155222...posted-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/155222...posted-public/
The labor movement created the middle income (middle class) paradigm in the USA.
If you don't know that, you share that ignorance with tens of millions of Americans
who have been privileged by it. Eisenhower would have been horrified by Reagan's
anti-worker bias.
>
> Jill
>
--Bryan

On 4/27/2021 8:26 PM, Bryan Simmons wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 6:18:44 PM UTC-5, wrote:
>> On 4/27/2021 6:37 PM, Bryan Simmons wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 5:15:56 PM UTC-5, Jim Lahey wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 14:54:13 -0700 (PDT), GM
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 4:36:57 PM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 17:28:13 -0400, Dave Smith
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2021-04-27 5:15 p.m., Bryan Simmons wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 3:58:00 PM UTC-5, wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> He's got a degree in Computer Scientology
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --Bryan
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's a new one.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Most of my attempts at humor fall flat here.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can't argue with you there.
>>>>>>> Maybe you should consider that some people are so bored of you constant
>>>>>>> ragging on the sick puppy that they don't bother reading carefully
>>>>>>> enough to notice your attempt at humour.
>>>>>> You should take your own advice there, Davey boy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your posts are at best, extremely mundane and repetitive. It's like
>>>>>> you have a limited number of scenarios in your head to choose from for
>>>>>> discussion.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> True...it's like every day is Groundhog Day for him - and US...
>>>>>
>>>>> Jayne Wyman was asked why she divorced Ronald Reagan, her reply was, "He just NEVER shut up...i eventually just told him, 'Oh, Ronnie, why don't you go and shit in a hat!'...!!!"
>>>>>
>>>> LOL
>>>>
>>> He shit in the hat of organized labor.
>> Were you a member of a labor union during Reagan's presidency or do you
>> just like dragging up ancient history? In that regard you're much like
>> Kuthe.
>>
> I understand political economy. I was never a member of a union, but
> I'm an economics nerd.
> --Bryan
>
I'm thrilled for you. <snork>

Jill

On 4/27/2021 6:37 PM, Bryan Simmons wrote:


>>
> He shit in the hat of organized labor. Unions aren't perfect by any reckoning,
> but they helped build a middle income economy, and balanced the power
> differential between the ownership and working classes, ushering in what is
> now another gilded age.
>>
> --Bryan
>

True that organized labor was a big help to the working class and
improved wages, safety, working conditions. Unfortunately, some of the
unions became infested with criminals and went too far. There were more
interested in collecting dues.

If I was born into the 1930s working class I'd be a union organizer but
when I hit the workforce I'd never join one and pay the thugs. I had a
front row seat dealing with them for about 17 years.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> On 4/27/2021 6:37 PM, Bryan Simmons wrote:
>
>
> > >
> > He shit in the hat of organized labor. Unions aren't perfect by
> > any reckoning, but they helped build a middle income economy, and
> > balanced the power differential between the ownership and working
> > classes, ushering in what is now another gilded age.
> > >
> > --Bryan
> >
>
> True that organized labor was a big help to the working class and
> improved wages, safety, working conditions. Unfortunately, some of
> the unions became infested with criminals and went too far. There
> were more interested in collecting dues.
>
> If I was born into the 1930s working class I'd be a union organizer
> but when I hit the workforce I'd never join one and pay the thugs. I
> had a front row seat dealing with them for about 17 years.

Without unions, everybody who's not rich would be fu... fu... stuffed.

--
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On 4/27/2021 9:26 PM, Dr. Bruce wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> On 4/27/2021 6:37 PM, Bryan Simmons wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>
>>> He shit in the hat of organized labor. Unions aren't perfect by
>>> any reckoning, but they helped build a middle income economy, and
>>> balanced the power differential between the ownership and working
>>> classes, ushering in what is now another gilded age.
>>>>
>>> --Bryan
>>>
>>
>> True that organized labor was a big help to the working class and
>> improved wages, safety, working conditions. Unfortunately, some of
>> the unions became infested with criminals and went too far. There
>> were more interested in collecting dues.
>>
>> If I was born into the 1930s working class I'd be a union organizer
>> but when I hit the workforce I'd never join one and pay the thugs. I
>> had a front row seat dealing with them for about 17 years.
>
> Without unions, everybody who's not rich would be fu... fu... stuffed.
>

Yes, but their time has passed and the unions are as big a thief today
as the company was back then. They have steadily been losing ground.
I've been at the negotiating table.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> On 4/27/2021 9:26 PM, Dr. Bruce wrote:
> > Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >
> > > On 4/27/2021 6:37 PM, Bryan Simmons wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > He shit in the hat of organized labor. Unions aren't perfect by
> > > > any reckoning, but they helped build a middle income economy,
> > > > and balanced the power differential between the ownership and
> > > > working classes, ushering in what is now another gilded age.
> > > > >
> > > > --Bryan
> > > >
> > >
> > > True that organized labor was a big help to the working class and
> > > improved wages, safety, working conditions. Unfortunately, some of
> > > the unions became infested with criminals and went too far. There
> > > were more interested in collecting dues.
> > >
> > > If I was born into the 1930s working class I'd be a union
> > > organizer but when I hit the workforce I'd never join one and pay
> > > the thugs. I had a front row seat dealing with them for about 17
> > > years.
> >
> > Without unions, everybody who's not rich would be fu... fu...
> > stuffed.
> >
>
> Yes, but their time has passed and the unions are as big a thief
> today as the company was back then. They have steadily been losing
> ground. I've been at the negotiating table.

It's like the police. Some of them are corrupt, some of them are
racist. Get rid of those, but you can't get rid of the entire police.
They're indispensable.

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On 2021-04-27 10:04 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 4/27/2021 9:26 PM, Dr. Bruce wrote:
>> Ed Pawlowski wrote:

>>> If I was born into the 1930s working class I'd be a union organizer
>>> but when I hit the workforce I'd never join one and pay the thugs. I
>>> had a front row seat dealing with them for about 17 years.
>>
>> Without unions, everybody who's not rich would be fu... fu... stuffed.
>>
>
> Yes, but their time has passed and the unions are as big a thief today
> as the company was back then.Â* They have steadily been losing ground.
> I've been at the negotiating table.

It's a strange business. I will point out that union positions are
filled democratically. It is unfortunate that more reasonable people
leave it to others to do the union work and leave it to the radicals and
the skuzbuckets.

I had my eyes opened at a union demand setting meeting back about 1980.
One of the issues that came up was maternity leave. There was already
maternity leave and women could collect unemployment insurance for a
period of time. The women at the meeting were pushing for paid maternity
leave and when it came to a vote on the issues to be included in
negotioations, all the women voted for it. The men did not and it didn't
pass. The next one to be voted on was unpaid paternity leave. The guys
figured it was a good idea and it was not going to cost the employer
much, so they voted for it. The women were ****ed off about their paid
maternity leave being rejected so they voted against it.

On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 19:30:02 -0400, Alex wrote:

> Sqwertz wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 16:47:44 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe wrote:
>>
>>> Just saying!
>>>
>>> They reorder never works and their phone system takes FOREVER!
>>>
>>> I chose NOT to wait for it! **** Vitacost!
>>>
>>> John Kuthe, RN, BSN..
>> Did you email them this? Maybe they'll send you some free melatonin.
>>
>> ObFood: Another rubber chicken dinner at the Food Bank Award
>> Ceremony at the Stephen F Austin hotel. Same rolled rubber chicken
>> breast as the last two ceremonies, just a different locale. Maybe I
>> should invest - anybody know a rubber chicken broker?
>
> Never get chicken at a banquet.* It's always rubbery.

It's either that or vegetarian-kosher. Nobody at my table had the
vegetarian/kosher so I don't know what it was.

Bryce Gilmore was at our table.
https://www.finecooking.com/chef/bryce-gilmore

I gave him a few tips :-)

>
> https://www.partysuppliesdelivered.c...Ad%20Group%201

Only $2.59, eh? How long do you simmer them?

-sw

On 4/27/2021 5:36 PM, Gary wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 17:28:13 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2021-04-27 5:15 p.m., Bryan Simmons wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 3:58:00 PM UTC-5, wrote:
>>
>>>>> He's got a degree in Computer Scientology
>>>>>
>>>>> --Bryan
>>>>>
>>>> That's a new one.
>>>>
>>> Most of my attempts at humor fall flat here.
>>>>
>>
>> I can't argue with you there.
>> Maybe you should consider that some people are so bored of you constant
>> ragging on the sick puppy that they don't bother reading carefully
>> enough to notice your attempt at humour.
>
> You should take your own advice there, Davey boy.
>
> Your posts are at best, extremely mundane and repetitive. It's like
> you have a limited number of scenarios in your head to choose from for
> discussion.
>
Excellent point, he sounds lonely.

On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 5:54:17 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 4:12:58 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> > On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 3:52:34 PM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > >
> > > On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 4:40:32 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 3:22:53 PM UTC-5, Dr. Bruce wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > He's got a degree in Computer Scientology, but he needs Steve to
> > > > make his computer function, and Cindy to help him with simple web
> > > > searches. He also *used to* know the difference between detergent
> > > > and "soap." I see why Mrs. Shinklehooper pities him.
> > > >
> > > I know the difference between detergent and soap, but I usually say
> > > "laundry soap" and "dish soap" anyway. It's shorter.
> > >
> > > Cindy Hamilton
> > >
> > Me, too and I distinguish between bath soap as well.
> >
> I had to buy Dial antibacterial "soap" for showering before tomorrow's
> surgery. I agreed to it, but I can't imagine that it is better than Dr.
> Bronner's soap used with hydrogen peroxide. Pathogens hate oxygen
> bleach.
> While I use castile soap for showering, hair shampoos are nearly all
> detergents.

You don't need to use shampoo. I use moisturizing body wash on my
hair. The hairdresser once commented on how much nicer my hair's
texture was in winter than most of her customers. (Of course, I don't
wreck it with perms and dyes, either.)

Cindy Hamilton

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> I know the difference between detergent and soap, but I usually say
> "laundry soap" and "dish soap" anyway. It's shorter.

Interestingly, back in the 70's I used powdered Tide laundry detergent
for washing clothes. The box also listed other uses and one was for
washing dishes too. So I used it for both.

Tide doesn't mention that anymore.

And back then, "Old Bay Seasoning" suggested mixing their spice mix half
and half with salt to cook crabs and shrimp. They don't say that anymore
either.

My current can has no mention of using salt but I notice it does say to
add to 1/2 water and 1/2 vinegar. That's what I do.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> True that organized labor was a big help to the working class and
> improved wages, safety, working conditions. Unfortunately, some of the
> unions became infested with criminals and went too far. There were more
> interested in collecting dues.
>
> If I was born into the 1930s working class I'd be a union organizer but
> when I hit the workforce I'd never join one and pay the thugs. I had a
> front row seat dealing with them for about 17 years.

Yep. Unions were a good thing at first but they overstayed their use and
became greedy. They were responsible, years later, for putting American
industries either out of business or sending them overseas.

On 4/28/2021 7:49 AM, Gary wrote:
> Â*Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> True that organized labor was a big help to the working class and
>> improved wages, safety, working conditions. Unfortunately, some of the
>> unions became infested with criminals and went too far. There were more
>> interested in collecting dues.
>>
>> If I was born into the 1930s working class I'd be a union organizer but
>> when I hit the workforce I'd never join one and pay the thugs. I had a
>> front row seat dealing with them for about 17 years.
>
> Yep. Unions were a good thing at first but they overstayed their use and
> became greedy.Â* They were responsible, years later, for putting American
> industries either out of business or sending them overseas.
>
>
>
>
>
They may still have some use in mines and meat packing plants. Today,
to get capable employees you have to offer decent wage and benefits. One
place I worked we paid about a buck an hour more than the union
negotiated wage. If not, the company next door would get our best
employees.

Years ago they were needed and did raise the standard of living for the
working class. Working conditions were often abominable.

Some tech companies are now hiring people with no college degree too.
They finally realized that particular skills and knowledge are more
important than a degree.

On 2021-04-28 7:49 a.m., Gary wrote:
> Â*Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> True that organized labor was a big help to the working class and
>> improved wages, safety, working conditions. Unfortunately, some of the
>> unions became infested with criminals and went too far. There were more
>> interested in collecting dues.
>>
>> If I was born into the 1930s working class I'd be a union organizer but
>> when I hit the workforce I'd never join one and pay the thugs. I had a
>> front row seat dealing with them for about 17 years.
>
> Yep. Unions were a good thing at first but they overstayed their use and
> became greedy.Â* They were responsible, years later, for putting American
> industries either out of business or sending them overseas.
>

They raised the standard of living a lot. The people in those well paid
manufacturing jobs had money to spend. They bought houses, cars and
other goods, and they ate in restaurants and went on vacations and
spread the money around. Manufacturers moved their plants to places
where people worked for peanuts and the companies can get what they want
by paying off politicians. It is a race to the bottom.

On 28/04/2021 14:18, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> Some tech companies are now hiring people with no college degree too.
> They finally realized that particular skills and knowledge are more
> important than a degree.

More than 25 years ago when my son was only 16 and still in high school,
he was certified by Microsoft as an instructor, teaching techies who
were twice his age - with degrees. I remember one woman who turned up
for a class, complaining that she had paid for a proper course, and
didn't want to be taught by a child. However - at the lunch break she
spent quite a bit of time picking his brain for advice, and gave a
glowing review of his teaching.
We got him his first computer when he was about 6, and I showed him how
to enter simple programs - soon, he was developing his own variations,
and really _understood_ what he was doing.

On 2021-04-28 5:49 a.m., Gary wrote:
> Â*Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> True that organized labor was a big help to the working class and
>> improved wages, safety, working conditions. Unfortunately, some of the
>> unions became infested with criminals and went too far. There were more
>> interested in collecting dues.
>>
>> If I was born into the 1930s working class I'd be a union organizer but
>> when I hit the workforce I'd never join one and pay the thugs. I had a
>> front row seat dealing with them for about 17 years.
>
> Yep. Unions were a good thing at first but they overstayed their use and
> became greedy.

So who is greedy now? The effing CEOs who have pushed zero-hours
contracts and gig working wherever possible.

They were responsible, years later, for putting American
> industries either out of business or sending them overseas.
>
There was a helluva lot of really bad management involved too.

On 4/28/2021 3:48 AM, Dr Bruce wrote:
> On 4/27/2021 5:36 PM, Gary wrote:
>> On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 17:28:13 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2021-04-27 5:15 p.m., Bryan Simmons wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 3:58:00 PM UTC-5,
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> He's got a degree in Computer Scientology
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --Bryan
>>>>>>
>>>>> That's a new one.
>>>>>
>>>> Most of my attempts at humor fall flat here.
>>>>>
>>>
>>> I can't argue with you there.
>>> Maybe you should consider that some people are so bored of you constant
>>> ragging on the sick puppy that they don't bother reading carefully
>>> enough to notice your attempt at humour.
>>
>> You should take your own advice there, Davey boy.
>>
>> Your posts are at best, extremely mundane and repetitive. It's like
>> you have a limited number of scenarios in your head to choose from for
>> discussion.
>>
> Excellent point, he sounds lonely.
>
He's a boring blowhard.

On 4/28/2021 11:31 AM, Graham wrote:
> On 2021-04-28 5:49 a.m., Gary wrote:
>> Â*Â*Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> True that organized labor was a big help to the working class and
>>> improved wages, safety, working conditions. Unfortunately, some of the
>>> unions became infested with criminals and went too far. There were more
>>> interested in collecting dues.
>>>
>>> If I was born into the 1930s working class I'd be a union organizer but
>>> when I hit the workforce I'd never join one and pay the thugs. I had a
>>> front row seat dealing with them for about 17 years.
>>
>> Yep. Unions were a good thing at first but they overstayed their use
>> and became greedy.
>
> So who is greedy now? The effing CEOs who have pushed zero-hours
> contracts and gig working wherever possible.

Aside from desperation I don't see why people take some of those jobs.

I don't begrudge a CEO making big buck but not at the expense of the
workers making poor wages

jmcquown wrote:

> On 4/27/2021 4:40 PM, Bryan Simmons wrote:
> > On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 3:22:53 PM UTC-5, Dr. Bruce wrote:
> > > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 5:18:52 AM UTC-4,
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 3:55:15 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 7:47:48 PM UTC-4,
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Just saying!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > They reorder never works and their phone system takes
> > > > > > > FOREVER!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I chose NOT to wait for it! **** Vitacost!
> > > > > > Whatever you buy from them, you probably can get it
> > > > > > elsewhere.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cindy Hamilton
> > > > > Like Planet DRY laundry soap?
> > > > >
> > > > > Let me know where, please.
> > > > >
> > > > > John Kuthe, RN, BSN...
> > > >
> > > > Amazon.
> > > > Kroger.
> > > >
> > > > There were a bunch of other hits, but a smart guy like you
> > > > should be able to do your own search.
> > > He can't even do his own shopping now??
> > >
> > He's got a degree in Computer Scientology
> >
> > --Bryan
> >
> That's a new one.
>
> Jill

Ask them, theyre here
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Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> On 4/27/2021 9:26 PM, Dr. Bruce wrote:
> > Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >
> > > On 4/27/2021 6:37 PM, Bryan Simmons wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > He shit in the hat of organized labor. Unions aren't perfect by
> > > > any reckoning, but they helped build a middle income economy,
> > > > and balanced the power differential between the ownership and
> > > > working classes, ushering in what is now another gilded age.
> > > > >
> > > > --Bryan
> > > >
> > >
> > > True that organized labor was a big help to the working class and
> > > improved wages, safety, working conditions. Unfortunately, some of
> > > the unions became infested with criminals and went too far. There
> > > were more interested in collecting dues.
> > >
> > > If I was born into the 1930s working class I'd be a union
> > > organizer but when I hit the workforce I'd never join one and pay
> > > the thugs. I had a front row seat dealing with them for about 17
> > > years.
> >
> > Without unions, everybody who's not rich would be fu... fu...
> > stuffed.
> >
>
> Yes, but their time has passed and the unions are as big a thief
> today as the company was back then. They have steadily been losing
> ground. I've been at the negotiating table.

Ask them, theyre here
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On 2021-04-28 11:58 a.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 4/28/2021 11:31 AM, Graham wrote:
>> On 2021-04-28 5:49 a.m., Gary wrote:
>>> Â*Â*Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>> True that organized labor was a big help to the working class and
>>>> improved wages, safety, working conditions. Unfortunately, some of the
>>>> unions became infested with criminals and went too far. There were more
>>>> interested in collecting dues.
>>>>
>>>> If I was born into the 1930s working class I'd be a union organizer but
>>>> when I hit the workforce I'd never join one and pay the thugs. I had a
>>>> front row seat dealing with them for about 17 years.
>>>
>>> Yep. Unions were a good thing at first but they overstayed their use
>>> and became greedy.
>>
>> So who is greedy now? The effing CEOs who have pushed zero-hours
>> contracts and gig working wherever possible.
>
> Aside from desperation I don't see why people take some of those jobs.
>
> I don't begrudge a CEO making big buck but not at the expense of the
> workers making poor wages


CEOs are the ones at the top of the ladder when it comes to
negotiations. The the top CEO's wages and compensation pay more than
200 times the average of their employees.

Union members would like to be able to afford to send their kids to
university. The CEO's send their kids to Ivy League schools and if they
pay a higher salary to the employees the may not be able to afford to
send the kids off to school in a new BMW.

On 2021-04-28 9:31 a.m., Graham wrote:
> On 2021-04-28 5:49 a.m., Gary wrote:
>> Â*Â*Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> True that organized labor was a big help to the working class and
>>> improved wages, safety, working conditions. Unfortunately, some of the
>>> unions became infested with criminals and went too far. There were more
>>> interested in collecting dues.
>>>
>>> If I was born into the 1930s working class I'd be a union organizer but
>>> when I hit the workforce I'd never join one and pay the thugs. I had a
>>> front row seat dealing with them for about 17 years.
>>
>> Yep. Unions were a good thing at first but they overstayed their use
>> and became greedy.
>
> So who is greedy now? The effing CEOs who have pushed zero-hours
> contracts and gig working wherever possible.
>
> They were responsible, years later, for putting American
>> industries either out of business or sending them overseas.
>>
> There was a helluva lot of really bad management involved too.

What it boils down to is that I'm not against unions but the NEED for
unions.

Gary wrote:

> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > True that organized labor was a big help to the working class and
> > improved wages, safety, working conditions. Unfortunately, some of
> > the unions became infested with criminals and went too far. There
> > were more interested in collecting dues.
> >
> > If I was born into the 1930s working class I'd be a union organizer
> > but when I hit the workforce I'd never join one and pay the thugs.
> > I had a front row seat dealing with them for about 17 years.
>
> Yep. Unions were a good thing at first but they overstayed their use
> and became greedy. They were responsible, years later, for putting
> American industries either out of business or sending them overseas.

They prevent exploitation of workers in an unbridled-capitalist
country. If you leave it up to the companies alone, workers will be
paid $1 per hour and get fired if they scratch their head during
working hours.

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Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> On 4/28/2021 11:31 AM, Graham wrote:
> > On 2021-04-28 5:49 a.m., Gary wrote:
> > > Â*Â*Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > > > True that organized labor was a big help to the working class
> > > > and improved wages, safety, working conditions. Unfortunately,
> > > > some of the unions became infested with criminals and went too
> > > > far. There were more interested in collecting dues.
> > > >
> > > > If I was born into the 1930s working class I'd be a union
> > > > organizer but when I hit the workforce I'd never join one and
> > > > pay the thugs. I had a front row seat dealing with them for
> > > > about 17 years.
> > >
> > > Yep. Unions were a good thing at first but they overstayed their
> > > use and became greedy.
> >
> > So who is greedy now? The effing CEOs who have pushed zero-hours
> > contracts and gig working wherever possible.
>
> Aside from desperation I don't see why people take some of those jobs.
>
> I don't begrudge a CEO making big buck but not at the expense of the
> workers making poor wages

And that's why we need unions.

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Gary wrote:

> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > True that organized labor was a big help to the working class and
> > improved wages, safety, working conditions. Unfortunately, some of
> > the unions became infested with criminals and went too far. There
> > were more interested in collecting dues.
> >
> > If I was born into the 1930s working class I'd be a union organizer
> > but when I hit the workforce I'd never join one and pay the thugs.
> > I had a front row seat dealing with them for about 17 years.
>
> Yep. Unions were a good thing at first but they overstayed their use
> and became greedy. They were responsible, years later, for putting
> American industries either out of business or sending them overseas.

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Dave Smith wrote:

> On 2021-04-28 11:58 a.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 4/28/2021 11:31 AM, Graham wrote:
> > > On 2021-04-28 5:49 a.m., Gary wrote:
> > > > Â*Â*Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > > > > True that organized labor was a big help to the working class
> > > > > and improved wages, safety, working conditions.
> > > > > Unfortunately, some of the unions became infested with
> > > > > criminals and went too far. There were more interested in
> > > > > collecting dues.
> > > > >
> > > > > If I was born into the 1930s working class I'd be a union
> > > > > organizer but when I hit the workforce I'd never join one and
> > > > > pay the thugs. I had a front row seat dealing with them for
> > > > > about 17 years.
> > > >
> > > > Yep. Unions were a good thing at first but they overstayed
> > > > their use and became greedy.
> > >
> > > So who is greedy now? The effing CEOs who have pushed zero-hours
> > > contracts and gig working wherever possible.
> >
> > Aside from desperation I don't see why people take some of those
> > jobs.
> >
> > I don't begrudge a CEO making big buck but not at the expense of
> > the workers making poor wages
>
>
> CEOs are the ones at the top of the ladder when it comes to
> negotiations. The the top CEO's wages and compensation pay more than
> 200 times the average of their employees.
>
> Union members would like to be able to afford to send their kids to
> university. The CEO's send their kids to Ivy League schools and if
> they pay a higher salary to the employees the may not be able to
> afford to send the kids off to school in a new BMW.

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Graham wrote:

> On 2021-04-28 9:31 a.m., Graham wrote:
> > On 2021-04-28 5:49 a.m., Gary wrote:
> > > Â*Â*Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > > > True that organized labor was a big help to the working class
> > > > and improved wages, safety, working conditions. Unfortunately,
> > > > some of the unions became infested with criminals and went too
> > > > far. There were more interested in collecting dues.
> > > >
> > > > If I was born into the 1930s working class I'd be a union
> > > > organizer but when I hit the workforce I'd never join one and
> > > > pay the thugs. I had a front row seat dealing with them for
> > > > about 17 years.
> > >
> > > Yep. Unions were a good thing at first but they overstayed their
> > > use and became greedy.
> >
> > So who is greedy now? The effing CEOs who have pushed zero-hours
> > contracts and gig working wherever possible.
> >
> > They were responsible, years later, for putting American
> > > industries either out of business or sending them overseas.
> > >
> > There was a helluva lot of really bad management involved too.
>
> What it boils down to is that I'm not against unions but the NEED for
> unions.

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Hank Rogers wrote:

> Bryan Simmons wrote:
> > On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 5:09:44 PM UTC-5, Dr. Bruce wrote:
> > > Dave Smith wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 2021-04-27 5:15 p.m., Bryan Simmons wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 3:58:00 PM UTC-5,
> > > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > > He's got a degree in Computer Scientology
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --Bryan
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > That's a new one.
> > > > > >
> > > > > Most of my attempts at humor fall flat here.
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I can't argue with you there.
> > > > Maybe you should consider that some people are so bored of you
> > > > constant ragging on the sick puppy that they don't bother
> > > > reading carefully enough to notice your attempt at humour.
> > > Touché!
> > >
> > Ragging on sick puppies is sometimes effective. Julie Bove is gone.
>
> Yes, but she was not a dutch ass sniffer. And kuth is still here,
> though not mentally.

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jmcquown wrote:

> On 4/27/2021 8:26 PM, Bryan Simmons wrote:
> > On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 6:18:44 PM UTC-5,
> > wrote:
> > > On 4/27/2021 6:37 PM, Bryan Simmons wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 5:15:56 PM UTC-5, Jim Lahey wrote:
> > > > > On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 14:54:13 -0700 (PDT), GM
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 4:36:57 PM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> > > > > > > On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 17:28:13 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 2021-04-27 5:15 p.m., Bryan Simmons wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 3:58:00 PM UTC-5,
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > He's got a degree in Computer Scientology
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > --Bryan
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > That's a new one.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Most of my attempts at humor fall flat here.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I can't argue with you there.
> > > > > > > > Maybe you should consider that some people are so bored
> > > > > > > > of you constant ragging on the sick puppy that they
> > > > > > > > don't bother reading carefully enough to notice your
> > > > > > > > attempt at humour.
> > > > > > > You should take your own advice there, Davey boy.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Your posts are at best, extremely mundane and repetitive.
> > > > > > > It's like you have a limited number of scenarios in your
> > > > > > > head to choose from for discussion.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > True...it's like every day is Groundhog Day for him - and
> > > > > > US...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jayne Wyman was asked why she divorced Ronald Reagan, her
> > > > > > reply was, "He just NEVER shut up...i eventually just told
> > > > > > him, 'Oh, Ronnie, why don't you go and shit in a
> > > > > > hat!'...!!!"
> > > > > >
> > > > > LOL
> > > > >
> > > > He shit in the hat of organized labor.
> > > Were you a member of a labor union during Reagan's presidency or
> > > do you just like dragging up ancient history? In that regard
> > > you're much like Kuthe.
> > >
> > I understand political economy. I was never a member of a union,
> > but I'm an economics nerd.
> > --Bryan
> >
> I'm thrilled for you. <snork>
>
> Jill

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Graham wrote:

> On 2021-04-28 5:49 a.m., Gary wrote:
> > Â*Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > > True that organized labor was a big help to the working class and
> > > improved wages, safety, working conditions. Unfortunately, some
> > > of the unions became infested with criminals and went too far.
> > > There were more interested in collecting dues.
> > >
> > > If I was born into the 1930s working class I'd be a union
> > > organizer but when I hit the workforce I'd never join one and pay
> > > the thugs. I had a front row seat dealing with them for about 17
> > > years.
> >
> > Yep. Unions were a good thing at first but they overstayed their
> > use and became greedy.
>
> So who is greedy now? The effing CEOs who have pushed zero-hours
> contracts and gig working wherever possible.
>
> They were responsible, years later, for putting American
> > industries either out of business or sending them overseas.
> >
> There was a helluva lot of really bad management involved too.

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On 4/28/2021 3:42 PM, Dr. Bruce wrote:
> Gary wrote:
>
>> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> True that organized labor was a big help to the working class and
>>> improved wages, safety, working conditions. Unfortunately, some of
>>> the unions became infested with criminals and went too far. There
>>> were more interested in collecting dues.
>>>
>>> If I was born into the 1930s working class I'd be a union organizer
>>> but when I hit the workforce I'd never join one and pay the thugs.
>>> I had a front row seat dealing with them for about 17 years.
>>
>> Yep. Unions were a good thing at first but they overstayed their use
>> and became greedy. They were responsible, years later, for putting
>> American industries either out of business or sending them overseas.
>
> They prevent exploitation of workers in an unbridled-capitalist
> country. If you leave it up to the companies alone, workers will be
> paid $1 per hour and get fired if they scratch their head during
> working hours.
>

Maybe. probably still needed some places. Some businesses have increase
the pay rates because they can't get enough people. Part time burger
flippers that used to get minimum wage are now offered $10. There is a
big movement to raise wages to $15 but Amazon already pays that with
benefits. I understand working conditions are rather busy though.

Educated and skilled people always made a decent wage because they are
in demand. Joe Sixpack on the assembly line often needed help. In the
past, that is what unions were good for along with safety conditions.
OSHA is far from perfect but is also a help. Yes, I've been through two
OSHA audits with no problems, no fines. Probably not a factory in the
world could say that in 1950s or earlier.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> On 4/28/2021 3:42 PM, Dr. Bruce wrote:
> >
> > They prevent exploitation of workers in an unbridled-capitalist
> > country. If you leave it up to the companies alone, workers will be
> > paid $1 per hour and get fired if they scratch their head during
> > working hours.
> >
>
> Maybe. probably still needed some places. Some businesses have
> increase the pay rates because they can't get enough people. Part
> time burger flippers that used to get minimum wage are now offered
> $10. There is a big movement to raise wages to $15 but Amazon
> already pays that with benefits. I understand working conditions are
> rather busy though.

"Rather busy" is a big euphemism. I saw an item about Amazon on
Australian TV. Working conditions are inhumane.

> Educated and skilled people always made a decent wage because they
> are in demand. Joe Sixpack on the assembly line often needed help.

Yes, most people are neither educated nor skilled. The majority of
people are just plain dumb. They need protection the most because
they're easily replaceable.

> In the past, that is what unions were good for along with safety
> conditions. OSHA is far from perfect but is also a help. Yes, I've
> been through two OSHA audits with no problems, no fines. Probably not
> a factory in the world could say that in 1950s or earlier.

I don't know what OSHA is. Isn't that what they called the Bagwan?

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On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 7:38:05 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> On 4/27/2021 8:26 PM, Bryan Simmons wrote:
> > On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 6:18:44 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> >> On 4/27/2021 6:37 PM, Bryan Simmons wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 5:15:56 PM UTC-5, Jim Lahey wrote:
> >>>> On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 14:54:13 -0700 (PDT), GM
> >>>> > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 4:36:57 PM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> >>>>>> On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 17:28:13 -0400, Dave Smith
> >>>>>> > wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 2021-04-27 5:15 p.m., Bryan Simmons wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 3:58:00 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> He's got a degree in Computer Scientology
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> --Bryan
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> That's a new one.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Most of my attempts at humor fall flat here.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I can't argue with you there.
> >>>>>>> Maybe you should consider that some people are so bored of you constant
> >>>>>>> ragging on the sick puppy that they don't bother reading carefully
> >>>>>>> enough to notice your attempt at humour.
> >>>>>> You should take your own advice there, Davey boy.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Your posts are at best, extremely mundane and repetitive. It's like
> >>>>>> you have a limited number of scenarios in your head to choose from for
> >>>>>> discussion.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> True...it's like every day is Groundhog Day for him - and US...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jayne Wyman was asked why she divorced Ronald Reagan, her reply was, "He just NEVER shut up...i eventually just told him, 'Oh, Ronnie, why don't you go and shit in a hat!'...!!!"
> >>>>>
> >>>> LOL
> >>>>
> >>> He shit in the hat of organized labor.
> >> Were you a member of a labor union during Reagan's presidency or do you
> >> just like dragging up ancient history? In that regard you're much like
> >> Kuthe.
> >>
> > I understand political economy. I was never a member of a union, but
> > I'm an economics nerd.
> > --Bryan
> >
> I'm thrilled for you. <snork>
>
You can snork all you want. There are, I'm sure, things that you happen to be
interested in to the point that you spend a lot of time and energy on. Political
economy is one of mine. Blackberry and raspberry cultivation is another. For
someone who is not a professional exterminator, I know a lot about insect
control too, and of course, dietary fatty acids. The list isn't long, but I don't blow
out my ass about stuff that I really don't know much about.

When you, or Steve or someone posts about some cooking thing, I don't Google
it so I can pretend that I knew about it all along. I'm not a posuer who cares
about looking like I know more about cooking--or anything else--than I do. If a
person dislikes me, I want them to dislike me for things that are true, and if they
like me, the same is true.

The surgery went well , and the residual pain is minimal--nothing that the tiny
doses of oxycodone, one naproxen and a few beers won't deal with, and the
oxy script was generous enough to have enough to taper down so I won't get
rebound headaches.
>
> Jill
>
--Bryan

Sqwertz wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 19:30:02 -0400, Alex wrote:
>
>> Sqwertz wrote:
>>> On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 16:47:44 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just saying!
>>>>
>>>> They reorder never works and their phone system takes FOREVER!
>>>>
>>>> I chose NOT to wait for it! **** Vitacost!
>>>>
>>>> John Kuthe, RN, BSN..
>>> Did you email them this? Maybe they'll send you some free melatonin.
>>>
>>> ObFood: Another rubber chicken dinner at the Food Bank Award
>>> Ceremony at the Stephen F Austin hotel. Same rolled rubber chicken
>>> breast as the last two ceremonies, just a different locale. Maybe I
>>> should invest - anybody know a rubber chicken broker?
>> Never get chicken at a banquet.Â* It's always rubbery.
> It's either that or vegetarian-kosher. Nobody at my table had the
> vegetarian/kosher so I don't know what it was.
>
> Bryce Gilmore was at our table.
> https://www.finecooking.com/chef/bryce-gilmore
>
> I gave him a few tips :-)
>
>> https://www.partysuppliesdelivered.c...Ad%20Group%201
> Only $2.59, eh? How long do you simmer them?
>
> -sw

They are ready to eat.

Dave Smith wrote:

> On 2021-04-27 10:04 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 4/27/2021 9:26 PM, Dr. Bruce wrote:
> > > Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> > > > If I was born into the 1930s working class I'd be a union
> > > > organizer but when I hit the workforce I'd never join one and
> > > > pay the thugs. I had a front row seat dealing with them for
> > > > about 17 years.
> > >
> > > Without unions, everybody who's not rich would be fu... fu...
> > > stuffed.
> > >
> >
> > Yes, but their time has passed and the unions are as big a thief
> > today as the company was back then.Â* They have steadily been
> > losing ground. I've been at the negotiating table.
>
> It's a strange business. I will point out that union positions are
> filled democratically. It is unfortunate that more reasonable people
> leave it to others to do the union work and leave it to the radicals
> and the skuzbuckets.
>
> I had my eyes opened at a union demand setting meeting back about
> 1980. One of the issues that came up was maternity leave. There was
> already maternity leave and women could collect unemployment
> insurance for a period of time. The women at the meeting were pushing
> for paid maternity leave and when it came to a vote on the issues to
> be included in negotioations, all the women voted for it. The men did
> not and it didn't pass. The next one to be voted on was unpaid
> paternity leave. The guys figured it was a good idea and it was not
> going to cost the employer much, so they voted for it. The women were
> ****ed off about their paid maternity leave being rejected so they
> voted against it.

I remember a union trying to move in on a big textile production plant
near Anderson SC. The folks working there voted it down by a 90%
majority.

See, the owners already did everything the union proposed and more.
Lets see, they had company provided housing (for life if you stayed to
retire), guarentted jobs for your kids. Free medical and dental
insurance and heavily subsidized for spouse and kids. Retirement plan
in addition to social security. Well above median income for area for
all jobs (believe the lowest paid was 10$ an hour in 1978 and most were
20$ and up). Good bosses who had external companies come in for saftey
reviews annually. Listened actually to the suggestion box so they
gained a playground, baseball park, and pool for the kids. They ran a
community cafeteria for 3 meals a day and it was very cheap and rumor
said really well done. The union was determined to just want a fat
percentage of their paychecks with nothing back they didn't already
have.

I heard they did unionize later but in their own way. It was a local
only 'had to work there' not affilited with any other union so no diues
to them) and done because other unions were causing problems working
with them.

Unique, CEO on down were equal members of it. The dues? Paultry at 5$
a month and went with company match to support a big Christmas party
for all with gifts for everyone, even the retirees living there.

Gary wrote:

> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > True that organized labor was a big help to the working class and
> > improved wages, safety, working conditions. Unfortunately, some of
> > the unions became infested with criminals and went too far. There
> > were more interested in collecting dues.
> >
> > If I was born into the 1930s working class I'd be a union organizer
> > but when I hit the workforce I'd never join one and pay the thugs.
> > I had a front row seat dealing with them for about 17 years.
>
> Yep. Unions were a good thing at first but they overstayed their use
> and became greedy. They were responsible, years later, for putting
> American industries either out of business or sending them overseas.

Agreed. They got too greedy.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> On 4/28/2021 7:49 AM, Gary wrote:
> > Â*Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > > True that organized labor was a big help to the working class and
> > > improved wages, safety, working conditions. Unfortunately, some
> > > of the unions became infested with criminals and went too far.
> > > There were more interested in collecting dues.
> > >
> > > If I was born into the 1930s working class I'd be a union
> > > organizer but when I hit the workforce I'd never join one and pay
> > > the thugs. I had a front row seat dealing with them for about 17
> > > years.
> >
> > Yep. Unions were a good thing at first but they overstayed their
> > use and became greedy.Â* They were responsible, years later, for
> > putting American industries either out of business or sending them
> > overseas.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> They may still have some use in mines and meat packing plants.
> Today, to get capable employees you have to offer decent wage and
> benefits. One place I worked we paid about a buck an hour more than
> the union negotiated wage. If not, the company next door would get
> our best employees.
>
> Years ago they were needed and did raise the standard of living for
> the working class. Working conditions were often abominable.
>
> Some tech companies are now hiring people with no college degree too.
> They finally realized that particular skills and knowledge are more
> important than a degree.

Quite true. There are no 'degrees' in what I do. It's pure experience
and a LOT of it, as in decades.

It's a bit like Sheldon. I don' think there are any degrees in his
tool making job. It's all experience based I'm pretty sure.

BTW, he should be back today. Hope he is feeling a lot better.

On 4/28/2021 7:04 PM, Dr. Bruce wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> On 4/28/2021 3:42 PM, Dr. Bruce wrote:
>>>
>>> They prevent exploitation of workers in an unbridled-capitalist
>>> country. If you leave it up to the companies alone, workers will be
>>> paid $1 per hour and get fired if they scratch their head during
>>> working hours.
>>>
>>
>> Maybe. probably still needed some places. Some businesses have
>> increase the pay rates because they can't get enough people. Part
>> time burger flippers that used to get minimum wage are now offered
>> $10. There is a big movement to raise wages to $15 but Amazon
>> already pays that with benefits. I understand working conditions are
>> rather busy though.
>
> "Rather busy" is a big euphemism. I saw an item about Amazon on
> Australian TV. Working conditions are inhumane.
>
>> Educated and skilled people always made a decent wage because they
>> are in demand. Joe Sixpack on the assembly line often needed help.
>
> Yes, most people are neither educated nor skilled. The majority of
> people are just plain dumb. They need protection the most because
> they're easily replaceable.
>
>> In the past, that is what unions were good for along with safety
>> conditions. OSHA is far from perfect but is also a help. Yes, I've
>> been through two OSHA audits with no problems, no fines. Probably not
>> a factory in the world could say that in 1950s or earlier.
>
> I don't know what OSHA is. Isn't that what they called the Bagwan?
>

Occupational Safety and Health Administration. They come up with silly
rules like dust masks and machine guards. Some rules were over the top,
most were good.