On 2021-04-28 7:35 p.m., cshenk wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>
=
> I heard they did unionize later but in their own way. It was a local
> only 'had to work there' not affilited with any other union so no diues
> to them) and done because other unions were causing problems working
> with them.
>
> Unique, CEO on down were equal members of it. The dues? Paultry at 5$
> a month and went with company match to support a big Christmas party
> for all with gifts for everyone, even the retirees living there.
>

I spend my teen years living in a city wither a lot of automotive
manufacturing. There were two GM plants and there were a number of
strikes where the autoworkers walked out to support their demands.
There was another major automotive company that was non union. Whenever
the autoworkers went on strike and got a raise or better benefits, the
other company would match them.

It was a good deal for the non union shop. They got the raises that the
GM workers got without ever having to go on strike and losing a couple
weeks pay. I doubt they would have got the pay and benefits if they
didn't have GM workers doing the heavy lifting to raise the pay bar.

On 2021-04-28 7:35 p.m., cshenk wrote:
> Gary wrote:
> I had a front row seat dealing with them for about 17 years.
>>
>> Yep. Unions were a good thing at first but they overstayed their use
>> and became greedy. They were responsible, years later, for putting
>> American industries either out of business or sending them overseas.
>
> Agreed. They got too greedy.
>


The unionized workers are too greedy?? Not compared to the CEOs who
make 200 times as much as the workers.

Dave Smith wrote:

> On 2021-04-28 7:35 p.m., cshenk wrote:
> > Gary wrote:
> > I had a front row seat dealing with them for about 17 years.
> > >
> > > Yep. Unions were a good thing at first but they overstayed their
> > > use and became greedy. They were responsible, years later, for
> > > putting American industries either out of business or sending
> > > them overseas.
> >
> > Agreed. They got too greedy.
> >
>
>
> The unionized workers are too greedy?? Not compared to the CEOs who
> make 200 times as much as the workers.

Gain the skill set to be a CEO vice sweep floors or other less skilled
trade work (and yes, the highly skilled ones do make a lot more).

On 2021-04-28 8:09 p.m., cshenk wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
=
>>> Agreed. They got too greedy.
>>>
>>
>>
>> The unionized workers are too greedy?? Not compared to the CEOs who
>> make 200 times as much as the workers.
>
> Gain the skill set to be a CEO vice sweep floors or other less skilled
> trade work (and yes, the highly skilled ones do make a lot more).
>

Sure. Machinists, pipe fitters, plumbers and other skilled workers
should earn more than janitors and unskilled labour. Tradesmen make
more than burger flippers.... not 200 times as much.

Dave Smith wrote:

> On 2021-04-28 7:35 p.m., cshenk wrote:
> > Gary wrote:
> > I had a front row seat dealing with them for about 17 years.
> > >
> > > Yep. Unions were a good thing at first but they overstayed their
> > > use and became greedy. They were responsible, years later, for
> > > putting American industries either out of business or sending
> > > them overseas.
> >
> > Agreed. They got too greedy.
> >
>
>
> The unionized workers are too greedy?? Not compared to the CEOs who
> make 200 times as much as the workers.

Amen.

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cshenk wrote:

> Dave Smith wrote:
>
> > On 2021-04-28 7:35 p.m., cshenk wrote:
> > > Gary wrote:
> > > I had a front row seat dealing with them for about 17 years.
> > > >
> > > > Yep. Unions were a good thing at first but they overstayed their
> > > > use and became greedy. They were responsible, years later, for
> > > > putting American industries either out of business or sending
> > > > them overseas.
> > >
> > > Agreed. They got too greedy.
> > >
> >
> >
> > The unionized workers are too greedy?? Not compared to the CEOs
> > who make 200 times as much as the workers.
>
> Gain the skill set to be a CEO vice sweep floors or other less skilled
> trade work (and yes, the highly skilled ones do make a lot more).

"Gain the skill set to be a CEO vice sweep floors or other less skilled
trade work": I'm sure this means something but what? It could be code
language for the Russians.

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Dave Smith wrote:

> On 2021-04-28 8:09 p.m., cshenk wrote:
> > Dave Smith wrote:
> =
> > > > Agreed. They got too greedy.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The unionized workers are too greedy?? Not compared to the CEOs
> > > who make 200 times as much as the workers.
> >
> > Gain the skill set to be a CEO vice sweep floors or other less
> > skilled trade work (and yes, the highly skilled ones do make a lot
> > more).
> >
>
> Sure. Machinists, pipe fitters, plumbers and other skilled workers
> should earn more than janitors and unskilled labour. Tradesmen
> make more than burger flippers.... not 200 times as much.

I agree again. Stop it!

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On 2021-04-28 6:15 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2021-04-28 8:09 p.m., cshenk wrote:
>> Dave Smith wrote:
> =
>>>> Agreed.Â* They got too greedy.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The unionized workers are too greedy??Â*Â* Not compared to the CEOs who
>>> make 200 times as much as the workers.
>>
>> Gain the skill set to be a CEO vice sweep floors or other less skilled
>> trade work (and yes, the highly skilled ones do make a lot more).
>>
>
> Sure. Machinists, pipe fitters, plumbers and other skilled workers
> should earn more thanÂ* janitorsÂ* and unskilled labour.Â* Tradesmen make
> more than burger flippers.... not 200 times as much.

The late Leonard Lee, founder of Lee Valley Tools, limited exec pay
including his own, to no more than 10 times the lowest paid staff member.

On 4/28/2021 8:50 PM, Graham wrote:
> On 2021-04-28 6:15 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2021-04-28 8:09 p.m., cshenk wrote:
>>> Dave Smith wrote:
>> =
>>>>> Agreed.Â* They got too greedy.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The unionized workers are too greedy??Â*Â* Not compared to the CEOs who
>>>> make 200 times as much as the workers.
>>>
>>> Gain the skill set to be a CEO vice sweep floors or other less skilled
>>> trade work (and yes, the highly skilled ones do make a lot more).
>>>
>>
>> Sure. Machinists, pipe fitters, plumbers and other skilled workers
>> should earn more thanÂ* janitorsÂ* and unskilled labour.Â* Tradesmen make
>> more than burger flippers.... not 200 times as much.
>
> The late Leonard Lee, founder of Lee Valley Tools, limited exec pay
> including his own, to no more than 10 times the lowest paid staff member.

Ben & Jerry had a 7X limit. When they wanted to hire a manager to run
the operations they could not find one willing to work for that wage.

It has really gotten out of hand in the past 30 or so years.
Celebrities and sports are right up there too.

On 2021 Apr 28, , Ed Pawlowski wrote
(in article >):

> Occupational Safety and Health Administration. They come up with silly
> rules like dust masks and machine guards. Some rules were over the top,
> most were good.

They made us put machine guards on our punch presses. The owner would have
done it anyway, after the workmen´s comp premiums rose to his awareness.
Nevertheless, a few fingertips, or worse, were saved.
I give OSHA credit for machine guards. That´s all they ever came after us
for.
I didn´t care for insurance company auditors either.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> On 4/28/2021 7:04 PM, Dr. Bruce wrote:
> >
> > "Rather busy" is a big euphemism. I saw an item about Amazon on
> > Australian TV. Working conditions are inhumane.
> >
> > > Educated and skilled people always made a decent wage because they
> > > are in demand. Joe Sixpack on the assembly line often needed
> > > help.
> >
> > Yes, most people are neither educated nor skilled. The majority of
> > people are just plain dumb. They need protection the most because
> > they're easily replaceable.
> >
> > > In the past, that is what unions were good for along with safety
> > > conditions. OSHA is far from perfect but is also a help. Yes, I've
> > > been through two OSHA audits with no problems, no fines. Probably
> > > not a factory in the world could say that in 1950s or earlier.
> >
> > I don't know what OSHA is. Isn't that what they called the Bagwan?
> >
>
> Occupational Safety and Health Administration. They come up with
> silly rules like dust masks and machine guards. Some rules were over
> the top, most were good.

Oh, ok.

(Why did I only see this post when Leo quoted it?)

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On 4/29/2021 1:10 AM, Leo wrote:
> On 2021 Apr 28, , Ed Pawlowski wrote
> (in article >):
>
>> Occupational Safety and Health Administration. They come up with silly
>> rules like dust masks and machine guards. Some rules were over the top,
>> most were good.
>
> They made us put machine guards on our punch presses. The owner would have
> done it anyway, after the workmen´s comp premiums rose to his awareness.
> Nevertheless, a few fingertips, or worse, were saved.
> I give OSHA credit for machine guards. That´s all they ever came after us
> for.
> I didn´t care for insurance company auditors either.
>
>
We were one of the first audits in the old plant. I could point out a
dozen potential problems. They found an ungrounded refrigerator in the
break room.

On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 1:47:48 PM UTC-10, wrote:
> Just saying!
>
> They reorder never works and their phone system takes FOREVER!
>
> I chose NOT to wait for it! **** Vitacost!
>
>
> John Kuthe, RN, BSN..

You should try ordering guitars from China - it's exciting and disappointing at the same time.

dsi1 wrote:

> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 1:47:48 PM UTC-10, wrote:
> > Just saying!
> >
> > They reorder never works and their phone system takes FOREVER!
> >
> > I chose NOT to wait for it! **** Vitacost!
> >
> >
> > John Kuthe, RN, BSN..
>
> You should try ordering guitars from China - it's exciting and
> disappointing at the same time.

Who can say No to that combination?

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On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 9:19:58 AM UTC-10, Dr. Bruce wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>
> > On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 1:47:48 PM UTC-10, wrote:
> > > Just saying!
> > >
> > > They reorder never works and their phone system takes FOREVER!
> > >
> > > I chose NOT to wait for it! **** Vitacost!
> > >
> > >
> > > John Kuthe, RN, BSN..
> >
> > You should try ordering guitars from China - it's exciting and
> > disappointing at the same time.
> Who can say No to that combination?
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I sure can't. Who the hell wants a boring life? Not me!

Graham wrote:

> On 2021-04-28 9:31 a.m., Graham wrote:
> > On 2021-04-28 5:49 a.m., Gary wrote:
> > > Â*Â*Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > > > True that organized labor was a big help to the working class
> > > > and improved wages, safety, working conditions. Unfortunately,
> > > > some of the unions became infested with criminals and went too
> > > > far. There were more interested in collecting dues.
> > > >
> > > > If I was born into the 1930s working class I'd be a union
> > > > organizer but when I hit the workforce I'd never join one and
> > > > pay the thugs. I had a front row seat dealing with them for
> > > > about 17 years.
> > >
> > > Yep. Unions were a good thing at first but they overstayed their
> > > use and became greedy.
> >
> > So who is greedy now? The effing CEOs who have pushed zero-hours
> > contracts and gig working wherever possible.
> >
> > They were responsible, years later, for putting American
> > > industries either out of business or sending them overseas.
> > >
> > There was a helluva lot of really bad management involved too.
>
> What it boils down to is that I'm not against unions but the NEED for
> unions.

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Alex wrote:

> Sqwertz wrote:
> > On Tue, 27 Apr 2021 19:30:02 -0400, Alex wrote:
> >
> > > Sqwertz wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 16:47:44 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Just saying!
> > > > >
> > > > > They reorder never works and their phone system takes FOREVER!
> > > > >
> > > > > I chose NOT to wait for it! **** Vitacost!
> > > > >
> > > > > John Kuthe, RN, BSN..
> > > > Did you email them this? Maybe they'll send you some free
> > > > melatonin.
> > > >
> > > > ObFood: Another rubber chicken dinner at the Food Bank Award
> > > > Ceremony at the Stephen F Austin hotel. Same rolled rubber
> > > > chicken breast as the last two ceremonies, just a different
> > > > locale. Maybe I should invest - anybody know a rubber chicken
> > > > broker?
> > > Never get chicken at a banquet.Â* It's always rubbery.
> > It's either that or vegetarian-kosher. Nobody at my table had the
> > vegetarian/kosher so I don't know what it was.
> >
> > Bryce Gilmore was at our table.
> > https://www.finecooking.com/chef/bryce-gilmore
> >
> > I gave him a few tips :-)
> >
> > >
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> > Only $2.59, eh? How long do you simmer them?
> >
> > -sw
>
> They are ready to eat.

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