On 5/1/2021 3:18 AM, S Viemeister wrote:
> On 30/04/2021 23:31, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> I do hope you'll be able to come back and be with your family in the
>> States soon.
>>
> Thanks, Jill.
> I've booked a ticket, but I've had two previous bookings cancelled by
> the airline, so...

I saw on national news this morning... due to the current high rate of
Covid in India, all travel from India to the USA will stop on Tuesday.

I don't understand that thinking. If it's so bad, why not immediately
stop travel rather than wait 4 more days?

This same moron expert thinking is what brought the virus to the USA
back in the beginning. They allowed travel from China and all they did
was check temperatures of the travelers. Many of those travelers had the
virus but didn't show symptoms yet.

On 4/30/2021 11:08 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> On 30/04/2021 15:43, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 10:26:18 AM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>>> Badges? Badges? We don't need no steenking badges!
>>
>>> Heh! At we didn't get anything except a leaflet of information.
>>> The details will have gone to our doctors though!
>>
>> Americans don't necessarily have a doctor. I was assigned one
>> by my insurance a couple of years ago, but I've never seen him.
>> I was just about to find a different one (closer to my home), but
>> then COVID hit so I hunkered down.

The last few times I've needed a doctor, I goto one of those minor
emergency places. "Doctors on Call" was one. They are open 7 days a week
and no appointments necessary. First come, first serve.

They charge the same as regular doctors without waiting for an appointment.

On 2021-05-02 4:35 a.m., S Viemeister wrote:
===
>>
>> Â*Â*Did you get proof of your vaccination??
>>
>>
> Not yet. But my flight (if it isn't cancelled yet again) is in a couple
> of months. That's assuming lockdown continues to ease.

I would not be counting on that any time soon. Here in Ontario we are in
the third wave and infection rates are just starting to level off, but
hospitalization rates are rising and the victims are younger. Canada has
recently banned flights from India where there are seeing more than
300,000 new infections daily.

On Sun, 2 May 2021 13:48:26 +0100, S Viemeister
> wrote:

>On 02/05/2021 13:26, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>> > wrote:
>
>>> Not yet. But my flight (if it isn't cancelled yet again) is in a couple
>>> of months. That's assuming lockdown continues to ease.
>>
>> My nephew is stuck too. He had gone over because his mother was
>> clearly going to die, then came Covid, then she did die and at least
>> he was there, but now he is just sitting waiting to return. Now that
>> we are having a third wave, likely it will be a couple of months
>> before he can come back. I think you'll have more luck going to the
>> US than he will here.
>>
>A relative by marriage, who shall remain un-named, doesn't understand
>why I haven't just hopped over to the nearest airport and flown off.

Doubtful you could ever explain Sympathies.

On 02/05/2021 14:31, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> > wrote:
>> On 02/05/2021 13:26, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>> > wrote:
>>>> Not yet. But my flight (if it isn't cancelled yet again) is in a couple
>>>> of months. That's assuming lockdown continues to ease.
>>>
>>> My nephew is stuck too. He had gone over because his mother was
>>> clearly going to die, then came Covid, then she did die and at least
>>> he was there, but now he is just sitting waiting to return. Now that
>>> we are having a third wave, likely it will be a couple of months
>>> before he can come back. I think you'll have more luck going to the
>>> US than he will here.
>>>
>> A relative by marriage, who shall remain un-named, doesn't understand
>> why I haven't just hopped over to the nearest airport and flown off.
>
> Doubtful you could ever explain Sympathies.
>
Said relative has never left the US, but some time back, called to make
sure we knew we'd need 'Real ID' drivers licenses the next time we
flew!!! Well, no. We need passports. Of which I have two.

So, yes - trying to explain would be a waste of time and effort.

On 2021-05-02 8:18 a.m., Lucretia Borgia wrote:

>> Are all the brood you've produced as stupid as you, Lucretia? Is it
>> genetic?
>
> I just have this compulsion to be as nasty to her as she claimed I was
> - particularly now when we see how little she understands about
> posting etc etc.
>

She is not the brightest bulb on the trees Look at her comment about me
a couple days ago. After I mentioned that my wife and I had our
vaccinations at different locations she wrote "Haha, your wife holidays
away from you. Tells us all we need to know........ "

That told more about her than it did about me. Aside from having
declared that she had filtered me she jumped to that idiotic and
incorrect conclusion.
This is the same woman who flipped out and accused me of lying about her
emailing me. She refused to apologize for calling me a liar.

On 2021-05-02 9:11 a.m., Gary wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>> I missed a few more meals because they were hoping to something that
>> involved knocking me out.Â* It got to the point that I didn't mind
>> missing meals because they were so small and so horrible I was not
>> missing much.Â* Between the lack of food, the missed meals and being
>> pumped full od diuretics, I dropped more than 20 pounds over the 6 days
>> I was there.
>
> Correct me if I've missed something but spending 6 days in the hospital
> for serious heart problems and they allowed you to lose more than 20
> pounds? That doesn't sound like very good health care to me.
>
>

Most of it was the fluids I was retaining. I lost more after I was release.

On 2021-05-02 9:14 a.m., Gary wrote:
> On 5/1/2021 3:18 AM, S Viemeister wrote:
>> Thanks, Jill.
>> I've booked a ticket, but I've had two previous bookings cancelled by
>> the airline, so...
>
> I saw on national news this morning... due to the current high rate of
> Covid in India, all travel from India to the USA will stop on Tuesday.

Good. Canada banned direct flights from India last week. The deal was
supposed to also exclude people who had taken indirect flights, like
India to UK then UK to Canada. So they started flying to the US and
then going by land to Canada.



> I don't understand that thinking. If it's so bad, why not immediately
> stop travel rather than wait 4 more days?

It is a little heavy handed to change the rules immediately, but in
these cases I don't have a problem. Travellers keep finding ways to get
around the rules.

A lot of Canadians like to winter in the south but the land borders
closed. However, they could fly to the US. One of the most common
gimmicks is for them to have their vehicles delivered to Buffalo then
fly over and pick up their cars. Then they would drive home and since
they were citizens they had to admit them.

The rules were changed. They had to have a negative Covid test result
within 36 hours of boarding a flight to Canada. Those who had positive
results ended up crossing at land borders. So they changed the rules
again.. and you have to get a test at the border and another three days
later and have to self isolate for 14 days.

It seems that if you walk across you don't have to do that stuff. So now
people are flying to points in the US and then taking buses or taxis to
the border and walking across to avoid all that stuff.



>
> This same moron expert thinking is what brought the virus to the USA
> back in the beginning. They allowed travel from China and all they did
> was check temperatures of the travelers. Many of those travelers had the
> virus but didn't show symptoms yet.
>
>
>
>
>

On 5/2/2021 9:48 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2021-05-02 9:11 a.m., Gary wrote:
>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>> I missed a few more meals because they were hoping to something that
>>> involved knocking me out.Â* It got to the point that I didn't mind
>>> missing meals because they were so small and so horrible I was not
>>> missing much.Â* Between the lack of food, the missed meals and being
>>> pumped full od diuretics, I dropped more than 20 pounds over the 6 days
>>> I was there.
>>
>> Correct me if I've missed something but spending 6 days in the
>> hospital for serious heart problems and they allowed you to lose more
>> than 20 pounds? That doesn't sound like very good health care to me.
>>
>>
>
> Most of it was the fluids I was retaining. I lost more after I was release.
>
Fluid retention is quite common with heart problems. Diuretics are
often prescribed as a continuing part of after-care.

Jill

On Sun, 2 May 2021 14:44:14 +0100, S Viemeister
> wrote:

>On 02/05/2021 14:31, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>> > wrote:
>>> On 02/05/2021 13:26, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> Not yet. But my flight (if it isn't cancelled yet again) is in a couple
>>>>> of months. That's assuming lockdown continues to ease.
>>>>
>>>> My nephew is stuck too. He had gone over because his mother was
>>>> clearly going to die, then came Covid, then she did die and at least
>>>> he was there, but now he is just sitting waiting to return. Now that
>>>> we are having a third wave, likely it will be a couple of months
>>>> before he can come back. I think you'll have more luck going to the
>>>> US than he will here.
>>>>
>>> A relative by marriage, who shall remain un-named, doesn't understand
>>> why I haven't just hopped over to the nearest airport and flown off.
>>
>> Doubtful you could ever explain Sympathies.
>>
>Said relative has never left the US, but some time back, called to make
>sure we knew we'd need 'Real ID' drivers licenses the next time we
>flew!!! Well, no. We need passports. Of which I have two.
>
>So, yes - trying to explain would be a waste of time and effort.

Correct! Did you ever have a non real ID drivers license ???

Mentioning passports I am perplexed by this 'no vaccine passports' by
the antivaxxers. Forever and a day one had to have doctors
certificates to show one had Yellow Fever, Typhus, ParaTyphoid,
Smallpox vaccination etc in order to travel between Hong Kong and the
UK. Nobody challenged it. I did have a signed,sealed Dr's
certificate absolving me of having a Typhoid shot because the reaction
to the shot was almost worse than having Typhoid, and it was always
accepted. I feel if they are antivaccine (for no medical reason) then
the price they will have to pay for those beliefs is, no travel.

I had my first Covid shot and by the time I was home I found in my
email a note from our NS Health Care saying I had the first shot. I
printed it off and put it in my wallet, as I will with the final shot,
feeling it might be useful at some point.

On 2021-05-02 10:37 a.m., Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> On Sun, 2 May 2021 14:44:14 +0100, S Viemeister
>
>>>
>>> Doubtful you could ever explain Sympathies.
>>>
>> Said relative has never left the US, but some time back, called to make
>> sure we knew we'd need 'Real ID' drivers licenses the next time we
>> flew!!! Well, no. We need passports. Of which I have two.
>>
>> So, yes - trying to explain would be a waste of time and effort.
>
> Correct! Did you ever have a non real ID drivers license ???
>
> Mentioning passports I am perplexed by this 'no vaccine passports' by
> the antivaxxers. Forever and a day one had to have doctors
> certificates to show one had Yellow Fever, Typhus, ParaTyphoid,
> Smallpox vaccination etc in order to travel between Hong Kong and the
> UK. Nobody challenged it. I did have a signed,sealed Dr's
> certificate absolving me of having a Typhoid shot because the reaction
> to the shot was almost worse than having Typhoid, and it was always
> accepted. I feel if they are antivaccine (for no medical reason) then
> the price they will have to pay for those beliefs is, no travel.
>
> I had my first Covid shot and by the time I was home I found in my
> email a note from our NS Health Care saying I had the first shot. I
> printed it off and put it in my wallet, as I will with the final shot,
> feeling it might be useful at some point.
>


I don't have a problem with the Covid passport, but I would expect it to
be something that is not easily forged. They may dry something secure
enough to fool some people, but there are people who seem to live to
beat the system.

The government could easily include that sort of information into your
driver license or other documentation, and those records are accessible
to law enforcement staff.

That was one of the reasons I objected to having to get a passport to go
to the US. If they want to check information about people entering the
country they only need to run your driver license and cross reference it
to criminal record data bases.


Here is but one of many sites where you can send away for a certificate
for that cute little dog that you want to take to the restaurant with
you and pretend it is some sort of support animal. If they can do it for
service animals they can do it for Covid.

On 02/05/2021 15:37, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> On Sun, 2 May 2021 14:44:14 +0100, S Viemeister
> > wrote:
>
>> On 02/05/2021 14:31, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>> > wrote:
>>>> On 02/05/2021 13:26, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>> Not yet. But my flight (if it isn't cancelled yet again) is in a couple
>>>>>> of months. That's assuming lockdown continues to ease.
>>>>>
>>>>> My nephew is stuck too. He had gone over because his mother was
>>>>> clearly going to die, then came Covid, then she did die and at least
>>>>> he was there, but now he is just sitting waiting to return. Now that
>>>>> we are having a third wave, likely it will be a couple of months
>>>>> before he can come back. I think you'll have more luck going to the
>>>>> US than he will here.
>>>>>
>>>> A relative by marriage, who shall remain un-named, doesn't understand
>>>> why I haven't just hopped over to the nearest airport and flown off.
>>>
>>> Doubtful you could ever explain Sympathies.
>>>
>> Said relative has never left the US, but some time back, called to make
>> sure we knew we'd need 'Real ID' drivers licenses the next time we
>> flew!!! Well, no. We need passports. Of which I have two.
>>
>> So, yes - trying to explain would be a waste of time and effort.
>
> Correct! Did you ever have a non real ID drivers license ???
>
> Mentioning passports I am perplexed by this 'no vaccine passports' by
> the antivaxxers. Forever and a day one had to have doctors
> certificates to show one had Yellow Fever, Typhus, ParaTyphoid,
> Smallpox vaccination etc in order to travel between Hong Kong and the
> UK. Nobody challenged it. I did have a signed,sealed Dr's
> certificate absolving me of having a Typhoid shot because the reaction
> to the shot was almost worse than having Typhoid, and it was always
> accepted. I feel if they are antivaccine (for no medical reason) then
> the price they will have to pay for those beliefs is, no travel.
>
Yes, I still have one of those certificates, with each vaccination
signed and stamped. I agree - the typhoid one was absolutely dreadful. I
had my first one on a very hot summer day, and was planning on walking
the few miles home. I got about halfway there, fortunately near a
friend's place, and nearly collapsed. By that evening my arm had swollen
to twice its normal size. The next one wasn't quite that bad, and the
third was rather unpleasant, but just about tolerable.

> I had my first Covid shot and by the time I was home I found in my
> email a note from our NS Health Care saying I had the first shot. I
> printed it off and put it in my wallet, as I will with the final shot,
> feeling it might be useful at some point.
>

On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 10:37:20 AM UTC-4, Lucretia Borgia wrote:

> Mentioning passports I am perplexed by this 'no vaccine passports' by
> the antivaxxers. Forever and a day one had to have doctors
> certificates to show one had Yellow Fever, Typhus, ParaTyphoid,
> Smallpox vaccination etc in order to travel between Hong Kong and the
> UK.

Approximately 42% of Americans have a passport. I've never had one.
The last time I traveled to Canada, I didn't need one.

OTOH, I'm not averse to the idea of a vaccine passport.

Cindy Hamilton

On Sun, 2 May 2021 09:11:34 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>On 4/30/2021 1:12 PM, US Janet wrote:
>> On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 12:07:47 -0500, Sqwertz >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 08:44:29 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>>> Beats me. I guess they hope people will walk around wearing the
>>>> button/badge to encourage others to please get the vaccines!
>>>
>>> We got little 3/4" square stickers. So people with the virus can get
>>> right up into your face just to read what your sticker says.
>>>
>>> -sw
>>
>> We got red/white/blue V lapel pins, presumably for Vaccine. It was
>> timely to wear as we got it to wear immediately after the national
>> election. V for Victory
>> Janet US
>
>You got a vaccine in early November? "Immediately after the national
>election?"
>
>
Excuse my imprecise verbage. Inauguration Day. I'm getting old and
the precise words don't always flow out of my fingers as they used to.
Mea Culpa (
Janet US

On 5/2/2021 1:04 PM, US Janet wrote:
> On Sun, 2 May 2021 09:11:34 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
>> On 4/30/2021 1:12 PM, US Janet wrote:
>>> On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 12:07:47 -0500, Sqwertz >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 08:44:29 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Beats me. I guess they hope people will walk around wearing the
>>>>> button/badge to encourage others to please get the vaccines!
>>>>
>>>> We got little 3/4" square stickers. So people with the virus can get
>>>> right up into your face just to read what your sticker says.
>>>>
>>>> -sw
>>>
>>> We got red/white/blue V lapel pins, presumably for Vaccine. It was
>>> timely to wear as we got it to wear immediately after the national
>>> election. V for Victory
>>> Janet US
>>
>> You got a vaccine in early November? "Immediately after the national
>> election?"
>>
>>
> Excuse my imprecise verbage. Inauguration Day. I'm getting old and
> the precise words don't always flow out of my fingers as they used to.
> Mea Culpa (
> Janet US
>
Don't apologise. He's picking at nits.

Jill

On 2021-05-02 12:27 p.m., Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 10:37:20 AM UTC-4, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>
>> Mentioning passports I am perplexed by this 'no vaccine passports' by
>> the antivaxxers. Forever and a day one had to have doctors
>> certificates to show one had Yellow Fever, Typhus, ParaTyphoid,
>> Smallpox vaccination etc in order to travel between Hong Kong and the
>> UK.
>
> Approximately 42% of Americans have a passport. I've never had one.
> The last time I traveled to Canada, I didn't need one.
>
> OTOH, I'm not averse to the idea of a vaccine passport.
>

You don't really need a passport to get into Canada... but you do. They
want to make sure that you can get back into the US. Canadians never
had to have passports to get into the US. Thad requirement came in the
wake of 9/11 when a bunch of Saudis and Yemenis entered the US with
passports and visas and attacked the World Trade Centre and the
Pentagon. I guess the idea was that making us have passports would
make them safer, like the way it worked for the terrorists.

Lucretia Borgia wrote:

> On 2 May 2021 04:08:50 GMT, "Dr. Bruce" >
> wrote:
>
> > Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> >
> >> How do you think that will happen??
> >
> > Lucretia's hanging out with the trolls again. It's hard to believe
> > someone can get that old and have learnt that little.
> >
> > Are all the brood you've produced as stupid as you, Lucretia? Is it
> > genetic?
>
> I just have this compulsion to be as nasty to her as she claimed I was
> - particularly now when we see how little she understands about
> posting etc etc.

So someone wants nothing to do with you. Big deal. I get that all the
time in RFC. Do I understand why? Of course not

--
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Lucretia Borgia wrote:

> On 2 May 2021 08:09:52 GMT, "Dr. Bruce" >
> wrote:
>
> > Ophelia wrote:
> >
> >> On 02/05/2021 05:08, Dr. Bruce wrote:
> >> > Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > How do you think that will happen??
> >> >
> >> > Lucretia's hanging out with the trolls again. It's hard to
> believe >> > someone can get that old and have learnt that little.
> >> >
> >> > Are all the brood you've produced as stupid as you, Lucretia? Is
> it >> > genetic?
> >>
> >> ======
> >>
> >> Anything she thinks is hurtful .... she is right in the middle
> >
> > Yes, more than before.
>
> And you don't think Ofeelya is playing with one troll in
> particular????

Which one?

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Gary wrote:

> On 5/1/2021 3:18 AM, S Viemeister wrote:
> > On 30/04/2021 23:31, jmcquown wrote:
> >
> > > I do hope you'll be able to come back and be with your family in
> > > the States soon.
> > >
> > Thanks, Jill.
> > I've booked a ticket, but I've had two previous bookings cancelled
> > by the airline, so...
>
> I saw on national news this morning... due to the current high rate
> of Covid in India, all travel from India to the USA will stop on
> Tuesday.
>
> I don't understand that thinking. If it's so bad, why not immediately
> stop travel rather than wait 4 more days?
>
> This same moron expert thinking is what brought the virus to the USA
> back in the beginning. They allowed travel from China and all they
> did was check temperatures of the travelers. Many of those travelers
> had the virus but didn't show symptoms yet.

Happened here too. First let the virus in, then close the border.

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S Viemeister wrote:

> On 02/05/2021 13:26, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> > wrote:
>
> > > Not yet. But my flight (if it isn't cancelled yet again) is in a
> > > couple of months. That's assuming lockdown continues to ease.
> >
> > My nephew is stuck too. He had gone over because his mother was
> > clearly going to die, then came Covid, then she did die and at least
> > he was there, but now he is just sitting waiting to return. Now
> > that we are having a third wave, likely it will be a couple of
> > months before he can come back. I think you'll have more luck
> > going to the US than he will here.
> >
> A relative by marriage, who shall remain un-named,

Brother-in-law.

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On Sun, 2 May 2021 13:24:45 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 5/2/2021 1:04 PM, US Janet wrote:
>> On Sun, 2 May 2021 09:11:34 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/30/2021 1:12 PM, US Janet wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 12:07:47 -0500, Sqwertz >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 08:44:29 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Beats me. I guess they hope people will walk around wearing the
>>>>>> button/badge to encourage others to please get the vaccines!
>>>>>
>>>>> We got little 3/4" square stickers. So people with the virus can get
>>>>> right up into your face just to read what your sticker says.
>>>>>
>>>>> -sw
>>>>
>>>> We got red/white/blue V lapel pins, presumably for Vaccine. It was
>>>> timely to wear as we got it to wear immediately after the national
>>>> election. V for Victory
>>>> Janet US
>>>
>>> You got a vaccine in early November? "Immediately after the national
>>> election?"
>>>
>>>
>> Excuse my imprecise verbage. Inauguration Day. I'm getting old and
>> the precise words don't always flow out of my fingers as they used to.
>> Mea Culpa (
>> Janet US
>>
>Don't apologise. He's picking at nits.
>
>Jill

Maybe but that is a honest to goodness nit.
Janet US

Dave Smith wrote:

> On 2021-05-02 4:35 a.m., S Viemeister wrote:
> ===
> > >
> > > Â*Â*Did you get proof of your vaccination??
> > >
> > >
> > Not yet. But my flight (if it isn't cancelled yet again) is in a
> > couple of months. That's assuming lockdown continues to ease.
>
> I would not be counting on that any time soon. Here in Ontario we are
> in the third wave and infection rates are just starting to level off,
> but hospitalization rates are rising and the victims are younger.
> Canada has recently banned flights from India where there are seeing
> more than 300,000 new infections daily.

Yup, same here. The younger folks locally are getting pretty quiet
about how 'it's all a hoax' or 'no worse than the flu'. Most local
cases seem to be in the 25-35yo sets that land in the hospital.

Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 10:37:20 AM UTC-4, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>
> > Mentioning passports I am perplexed by this 'no vaccine passports'
> > by the antivaxxers. Forever and a day one had to have doctors
> > certificates to show one had Yellow Fever, Typhus, ParaTyphoid,
> > Smallpox vaccination etc in order to travel between Hong Kong and
> > the UK.
>
> Approximately 42% of Americans have a passport. I've never had one.
> The last time I traveled to Canada, I didn't need one.
>
> OTOH, I'm not averse to the idea of a vaccine passport.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

The idea of never having been to another country is alien to me.
(Canada is US Light.)

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On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 3:00:58 PM UTC-4, Dr. Bruce wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> > On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 10:37:20 AM UTC-4, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> >
> > > Mentioning passports I am perplexed by this 'no vaccine passports'
> > > by the antivaxxers. Forever and a day one had to have doctors
> > > certificates to show one had Yellow Fever, Typhus, ParaTyphoid,
> > > Smallpox vaccination etc in order to travel between Hong Kong and
> > > the UK.
> >
> > Approximately 42% of Americans have a passport. I've never had one.
> > The last time I traveled to Canada, I didn't need one.
> >
> > OTOH, I'm not averse to the idea of a vaccine passport.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> The idea of never having been to another country is alien to me.
> (Canada is US Light.)

If I could teleport, I wouldn't mind traveling. The thought of being
cooped up in an aluminum tube with a couple hundred strangers
for half a day doesn't appeal one little bit.

Cindy Hamilton

Ophelia wrote:

> On 01/05/2021 16:42, jmcquown wrote:
> > On 5/1/2021 11:37 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> > > On 5/1/2021 11:00 AM, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> > > > On Sat, 1 May 2021 09:55:14 -0400, jmcquown
> > > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On 5/1/2021 5:12 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > > > > On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 5:12:02 PM UTC-4,
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > On 4/30/2021 10:27 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> > > > > > > > On 30/04/2021 13:56, Gary wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On 4/29/2021 7:29 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > FYI, so far I'm not feeling any ill effects from
> > > > > > > > > > the 2nd vaccine. The nurse told me to help
> > > > > > > > > > alleviate the sore arm, exercise the arm. I've
> > > > > > > > > > been flapping it occasionally like I'm doing a one
> > > > > > > > > > sided chicken dance (LOL) since I got home.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You also could flap your arm faster like a
> > > > > > > > > hummingbird.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ===
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ahh but can she hummmmm ? ))
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Humminbirds don't actually hum, they chirp (rather
> > > > > > > quietly). It's their wings that make a sort of humming
> > > > > > > sound.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In my experience they chirp disproportionately loudly for
> > > > > > their size, especially during the migration when they're
> > > > > > defending the feeder. They not much quieter than a
> > > > > > woodpecker's chirp.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cindy Hamilton
> > > > > >
> > > > > I suppose in proportion to their size their chirps are rather
> > > > > loud.Â* I only hear them when I have the windows open in the
> > > > > den, kicked back with a book.Â* It's already too humid by
> > > > > Noon to have the windows open.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jill
> > > >
> > > I spoke a little too soon about humid.Â* I went outside to refill
> > > the bird feeder
> > [CORRECTION: bird BATH]
> > > and discovered, unlike yesterday when it was already 80°F and
> > > humid outside, today it is a cool, breezy 60-something!
> > >
> > > I've opened the windows so when I go into the den I might
> > > actually hear the chirps of the hummingbirds and the quick beat
> > > of their wings. (They sound to me like the sound effect used for
> > > the light sabers in 'Star Wars'.)
> > >
> > > > They are pretty tough little birds. Before I moved here I had a
> > > > feeder on the deck and they would fly to it, flying between
> > > > David and I eating our dinner, not in the least concerned!
> > > >
> > > Indeed, they are tough little birds.Â* They don't seem to mind
> > > buzzing around people.Â* I was sitting on the patio a few years
> > > ago and happened to be wearing a red shirt.Â* A hummingbird
> > > hovered right in front of my face. Â* They do seem to like red
> > > (but NO, don't dye the nectar in the feeder).
> > >
> > > > One year a grackle decided to nest in our pine tree, not
> > > > logical, totally out of place by the sea for a grackle.Â* The
> > > > two grackles saw off all our usual birds that year but not the
> > > > hummingbirds!Â* They didn't even try to mess and terrorise them!
> > > >
> > > Ugh, Grackles.Â* Yes, Hummingbirds are notoriously territorial.Â*
> > > They don't take guff from any bird except perhaps, hawks. LOL
> > >
> > > When it was still "wintery" (heh) down here I filled the suet
> > > cage.Â* I started seeing lots of brown-headed cowbirds.Â* They're
> > > about like grackles in terms of running off all the songbirds
> > > and invading territory.Â* I quickly brought the suet cage
> > > inside.Â* They moved on.
> > >
> > > > When I moved here I put out a feeder over the grassy area I see
> > > > from my diningroom.Â* A lady who lived in a house below our
> > > > fence called over to me and told me that humming birds don't
> > > > come here.Â* She was totally correct.Â* Someone else put out a
> > > > hummer feeder last year without success.Â* Apparently they come
> > > > as far as a few streets over, but never nearer.
> > > >
> > > They pick out their spots.Â* A lot of it has to do with where they
> > > can build their nests and get to them before the sun sets.Â*
> > > Hummingbirds are very weird.Â* They go into a state of torper
> > > just after dusk.Â* I've seen documentaries where researchers have
> > > found their nests and if you touch a hummingbird in torpor it
> > > doesn't move, it doesn't wake up. Their bodies cool down, their
> > > whole metabolism and heart rate slows and they're out like a
> > > light.Â* Until the sun starts to rise... then the process
> > > reverses itself.Â* I find it fascinating.
> > >
> > > Gary likes to make fun of my enjoyment of bird watching.Â* What's
> > > not to like?Â* They're pretty and most of them sing.Â* Aside from
> > > keeping the hummingbird feeder cleaned and filled from March -
> > > October or so, in the warmer months I don't feed the other
> > > birds.Â* I do keep fresh water in a small bird bath year round.Â*
> > > Birds always need a source of fresh water. That's enough to
> > > attract a number of very pretty visitors.
> > >
> > > Jill
>
> ====
>
> We have 2 birdfeeders and a bird table so I understand what you are
> saying)))
>
> Oh yes, a bird bath too

Saw a red cardinal 2 days ago! They were at my bird feeder.

Dave Smith wrote:

> On 2021-05-02 9:14 a.m., Gary wrote:
> > On 5/1/2021 3:18 AM, S Viemeister wrote:
> > > Thanks, Jill.
> > > I've booked a ticket, but I've had two previous bookings
> > > cancelled by the airline, so...
> >
> > I saw on national news this morning... due to the current high rate
> > of Covid in India, all travel from India to the USA will stop on
> > Tuesday.
>
> Good. Canada banned direct flights from India last week. The deal was
> supposed to also exclude people who had taken indirect flights, like
> India to UK then UK to Canada. So they started flying to the US and
> then going by land to Canada.
>
>
>
> > I don't understand that thinking. If it's so bad, why not
> > immediately stop travel rather than wait 4 more days?
>
> It is a little heavy handed to change the rules immediately, but in
> these cases I don't have a problem. Travellers keep finding ways to
> get around the rules.
>
> A lot of Canadians like to winter in the south but the land borders
> closed. However, they could fly to the US. One of the most common
> gimmicks is for them to have their vehicles delivered to Buffalo then
> fly over and pick up their cars. Then they would drive home and
> since they were citizens they had to admit them.
>
> The rules were changed. They had to have a negative Covid test result
> within 36 hours of boarding a flight to Canada. Those who had
> positive results ended up crossing at land borders. So they
> changed the rules again.. and you have to get a test at the border
> and another three days later and have to self isolate for 14 days.
>
> It seems that if you walk across you don't have to do that stuff. So
> now people are flying to points in the US and then taking buses or
> taxis to the border and walking across to avoid all that stuff.
>

Thats not good for Canada as our rates have been WAY higher than yours.

Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 3:00:58 PM UTC-4, Dr. Bruce wrote:
> > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > > On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 10:37:20 AM UTC-4, Lucretia Borgia
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Mentioning passports I am perplexed by this 'no vaccine
> > > > passports' by the antivaxxers. Forever and a day one had to
> > > > have doctors certificates to show one had Yellow Fever, Typhus,
> > > > ParaTyphoid, Smallpox vaccination etc in order to travel
> > > > between Hong Kong and the UK.
> > >
> > > Approximately 42% of Americans have a passport. I've never had
> > > one. The last time I traveled to Canada, I didn't need one.
> > >
> > > OTOH, I'm not averse to the idea of a vaccine passport.
> > >
> > > Cindy Hamilton
> > The idea of never having been to another country is alien to me.
> > (Canada is US Light.)
>
> If I could teleport, I wouldn't mind traveling. The thought of being
> cooped up in an aluminum tube with a couple hundred strangers
> for half a day doesn't appeal one little bit.

No pain, no gain.

--
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On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 2:15:24 PM UTC-5, cshenk wrote:
> Ophelia wrote:
>
> > On 01/05/2021 16:42, jmcquown wrote:
> > > On 5/1/2021 11:37 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> > > > On 5/1/2021 11:00 AM, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> > > > > On Sat, 1 May 2021 09:55:14 -0400, jmcquown
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On 5/1/2021 5:12 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > > > > > On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 5:12:02 PM UTC-4,
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > On 4/30/2021 10:27 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On 30/04/2021 13:56, Gary wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On 4/29/2021 7:29 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > FYI, so far I'm not feeling any ill effects from
> > > > > > > > > > > the 2nd vaccine. The nurse told me to help
> > > > > > > > > > > alleviate the sore arm, exercise the arm. I've
> > > > > > > > > > > been flapping it occasionally like I'm doing a one
> > > > > > > > > > > sided chicken dance (LOL) since I got home.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > You also could flap your arm faster like a
> > > > > > > > > > hummingbird.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ===
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Ahh but can she hummmmm ? ))
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Humminbirds don't actually hum, they chirp (rather
> > > > > > > > quietly). It's their wings that make a sort of humming
> > > > > > > > sound.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In my experience they chirp disproportionately loudly for
> > > > > > > their size, especially during the migration when they're
> > > > > > > defending the feeder. They not much quieter than a
> > > > > > > woodpecker's chirp.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cindy Hamilton
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > I suppose in proportion to their size their chirps are rather
> > > > > > loud. I only hear them when I have the windows open in the
> > > > > > den, kicked back with a book. It's already too humid by
> > > > > > Noon to have the windows open.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jill
> > > > >
> > > > I spoke a little too soon about humid. I went outside to refill
> > > > the bird feeder
> > > [CORRECTION: bird BATH]
> > > > and discovered, unlike yesterday when it was already 80°F and
> > > > humid outside, today it is a cool, breezy 60-something!
> > > >
> > > > I've opened the windows so when I go into the den I might
> > > > actually hear the chirps of the hummingbirds and the quick beat
> > > > of their wings. (They sound to me like the sound effect used for
> > > > the light sabers in 'Star Wars'.)
> > > >
> > > > > They are pretty tough little birds. Before I moved here I had a
> > > > > feeder on the deck and they would fly to it, flying between
> > > > > David and I eating our dinner, not in the least concerned!
> > > > >
> > > > Indeed, they are tough little birds. They don't seem to mind
> > > > buzzing around people. I was sitting on the patio a few years
> > > > ago and happened to be wearing a red shirt. A hummingbird
> > > > hovered right in front of my face. They do seem to like red
> > > > (but NO, don't dye the nectar in the feeder).
> > > >
> > > > > One year a grackle decided to nest in our pine tree, not
> > > > > logical, totally out of place by the sea for a grackle. The
> > > > > two grackles saw off all our usual birds that year but not the
> > > > > hummingbirds! They didn't even try to mess and terrorise them!
> > > > >
> > > > Ugh, Grackles. Yes, Hummingbirds are notoriously territorial.
> > > > They don't take guff from any bird except perhaps, hawks. LOL
> > > >
> > > > When it was still "wintery" (heh) down here I filled the suet
> > > > cage. I started seeing lots of brown-headed cowbirds. They're
> > > > about like grackles in terms of running off all the songbirds
> > > > and invading territory. I quickly brought the suet cage
> > > > inside. They moved on.
> > > >
> > > > > When I moved here I put out a feeder over the grassy area I see
> > > > > from my diningroom. A lady who lived in a house below our
> > > > > fence called over to me and told me that humming birds don't
> > > > > come here. She was totally correct. Someone else put out a
> > > > > hummer feeder last year without success. Apparently they come
> > > > > as far as a few streets over, but never nearer.
> > > > >
> > > > They pick out their spots. A lot of it has to do with where they
> > > > can build their nests and get to them before the sun sets.
> > > > Hummingbirds are very weird. They go into a state of torper
> > > > just after dusk. I've seen documentaries where researchers have
> > > > found their nests and if you touch a hummingbird in torpor it
> > > > doesn't move, it doesn't wake up. Their bodies cool down, their
> > > > whole metabolism and heart rate slows and they're out like a
> > > > light. Until the sun starts to rise... then the process
> > > > reverses itself. I find it fascinating.
> > > >
> > > > Gary likes to make fun of my enjoyment of bird watching. What's
> > > > not to like? They're pretty and most of them sing. Aside from
> > > > keeping the hummingbird feeder cleaned and filled from March -
> > > > October or so, in the warmer months I don't feed the other
> > > > birds. I do keep fresh water in a small bird bath year round.
> > > > Birds always need a source of fresh water. That's enough to
> > > > attract a number of very pretty visitors.
> > > >
> > > > Jill
> >
> > ====
> >
> > We have 2 birdfeeders and a bird table so I understand what you are
> > saying)))
> >
> > Oh yes, a bird bath too
>
> Saw a red cardinal 2 days ago! They were at my bird feeder.


You had to include 200 lines of quoted text in your thirteen - word reply, you ignorant ****...???

--
Best
Greg

On 5/2/2021 3:14 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> If I could teleport, I wouldn't mind traveling. The thought of being
> cooped up in an aluminum tube with a couple hundred strangers
> for half a day doesn't appeal one little bit.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
No worries, I doubt you would fit in an airline seat anyway.

On 02/05/2021 20:15, cshenk wrote:
> Ophelia wrote:
>
>> On 01/05/2021 16:42, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 5/1/2021 11:37 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>> On 5/1/2021 11:00 AM, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 1 May 2021 09:55:14 -0400, jmcquown
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/1/2021 5:12 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>>> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 5:12:02 PM UTC-4,
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 4/30/2021 10:27 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 30/04/2021 13:56, Gary wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 4/29/2021 7:29 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> FYI, so far I'm not feeling any ill effects from
>>>>>>>>>>> the 2nd vaccine. The nurse told me to help
>>>>>>>>>>> alleviate the sore arm, exercise the arm. I've
>>>>>>>>>>> been flapping it occasionally like I'm doing a one
>>>>>>>>>>> sided chicken dance (LOL) since I got home.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You also could flap your arm faster like a
>>>>>>>>>> hummingbird.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ahh but can she hummmmm ? ))
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Humminbirds don't actually hum, they chirp (rather
>>>>>>>> quietly). It's their wings that make a sort of humming
>>>>>>>> sound.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In my experience they chirp disproportionately loudly for
>>>>>>> their size, especially during the migration when they're
>>>>>>> defending the feeder. They not much quieter than a
>>>>>>> woodpecker's chirp.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I suppose in proportion to their size their chirps are rather
>>>>>> loud.Â* I only hear them when I have the windows open in the
>>>>>> den, kicked back with a book.Â* It's already too humid by
>>>>>> Noon to have the windows open.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>
>>>> I spoke a little too soon about humid.Â* I went outside to refill
>>>> the bird feeder
>>> [CORRECTION: bird BATH]
>>>> and discovered, unlike yesterday when it was already 80°F and
>>>> humid outside, today it is a cool, breezy 60-something!
>>>>
>>>> I've opened the windows so when I go into the den I might
>>>> actually hear the chirps of the hummingbirds and the quick beat
>>>> of their wings. (They sound to me like the sound effect used for
>>>> the light sabers in 'Star Wars'.)
>>>>
>>>>> They are pretty tough little birds. Before I moved here I had a
>>>>> feeder on the deck and they would fly to it, flying between
>>>>> David and I eating our dinner, not in the least concerned!
>>>>>
>>>> Indeed, they are tough little birds.Â* They don't seem to mind
>>>> buzzing around people.Â* I was sitting on the patio a few years
>>>> ago and happened to be wearing a red shirt.Â* A hummingbird
>>>> hovered right in front of my face. Â* They do seem to like red
>>>> (but NO, don't dye the nectar in the feeder).
>>>>
>>>>> One year a grackle decided to nest in our pine tree, not
>>>>> logical, totally out of place by the sea for a grackle.Â* The
>>>>> two grackles saw off all our usual birds that year but not the
>>>>> hummingbirds!Â* They didn't even try to mess and terrorise them!
>>>>>
>>>> Ugh, Grackles.Â* Yes, Hummingbirds are notoriously territorial.
>>>> They don't take guff from any bird except perhaps, hawks. LOL
>>>>
>>>> When it was still "wintery" (heh) down here I filled the suet
>>>> cage.Â* I started seeing lots of brown-headed cowbirds.Â* They're
>>>> about like grackles in terms of running off all the songbirds
>>>> and invading territory.Â* I quickly brought the suet cage
>>>> inside.Â* They moved on.
>>>>
>>>>> When I moved here I put out a feeder over the grassy area I see
>>>>> from my diningroom.Â* A lady who lived in a house below our
>>>>> fence called over to me and told me that humming birds don't
>>>>> come here.Â* She was totally correct.Â* Someone else put out a
>>>>> hummer feeder last year without success.Â* Apparently they come
>>>>> as far as a few streets over, but never nearer.
>>>>>
>>>> They pick out their spots.Â* A lot of it has to do with where they
>>>> can build their nests and get to them before the sun sets.
>>>> Hummingbirds are very weird.Â* They go into a state of torper
>>>> just after dusk.Â* I've seen documentaries where researchers have
>>>> found their nests and if you touch a hummingbird in torpor it
>>>> doesn't move, it doesn't wake up. Their bodies cool down, their
>>>> whole metabolism and heart rate slows and they're out like a
>>>> light.Â* Until the sun starts to rise... then the process
>>>> reverses itself.Â* I find it fascinating.
>>>>
>>>> Gary likes to make fun of my enjoyment of bird watching.Â* What's
>>>> not to like?Â* They're pretty and most of them sing.Â* Aside from
>>>> keeping the hummingbird feeder cleaned and filled from March -
>>>> October or so, in the warmer months I don't feed the other
>>>> birds.Â* I do keep fresh water in a small bird bath year round.
>>>> Birds always need a source of fresh water. That's enough to
>>>> attract a number of very pretty visitors.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>
>> ====
>>
>> We have 2 birdfeeders and a bird table so I understand what you are
>> saying)))
>>
>> Oh yes, a bird bath too
>
> Saw a red cardinal 2 days ago! They were at my bird feeder.

=====

Oooh lovely! I don't think I've ever seen one of those!

On 5/2/2021 3:14 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

>> The idea of never having been to another country is alien to me.
>> (Canada is US Light.)
>
> If I could teleport, I wouldn't mind traveling. The thought of being
> cooped up in an aluminum tube with a couple hundred strangers
> for half a day doesn't appeal one little bit.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

Many flights to Europe from the east leave about dinner time. Order a
second drink or wine with dinner and then sleep the rest of the way and
arrive in the morning.

To make it worthwhile you have to go for at least 10 to 14 days. IMO,
well worth doing at least once in your life.

Even seeing other parts of the US is good too. I've know people that
never ventured 50 miles from where they were born.

I run up and down the east coast a few times a year but that is not
seeing anything but highway to my destination in 18 hours. On a
vacation to see things that trip should be 5 days or more as it has been
in the past.

On 2021-05-02 3:19 p.m., cshenk wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>

>> The rules were changed. They had to have a negative Covid test result
>> within 36 hours of boarding a flight to Canada. Those who had
>> positive results ended up crossing at land borders. So they
>> changed the rules again.. and you have to get a test at the border
>> and another three days later and have to self isolate for 14 days.
>>
>> It seems that if you walk across you don't have to do that stuff. So
>> now people are flying to points in the US and then taking buses or
>> taxis to the border and walking across to avoid all that stuff.
>>
>
> Thats not good for Canada as our rates have been WAY higher than yours.
>

Unfortunately, we are playing catch-up. Our third wave was pretty bad,
as had been predicted. I just had a look at the stats and it looks like
we are on the downward slope.

On 2021-05-02 4:19 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 5/2/2021 3:14 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

>> If I could teleport, I wouldn't mind traveling.Â* The thought of being
>> cooped up in an aluminum tube with a couple hundred strangers
>> for half a day doesn't appeal one little bit.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>
> Many flights to Europe from the east leave about dinner time.Â* Order a
> second drink or wine with dinner and then sleep the rest of the way and
> arrive in the morning.
>
> To make it worthwhile you have to go for at least 10 to 14 days.Â* IMO,
> well worth doing at least once in your life.
>
> Even seeing other parts of the US is good too.Â* I've know people that
> never ventured 50 miles from where they were born.
>
> I run up and down the east coast a few times a year but that is not
> seeing anything but highway to my destination in 18 hours.Â* On a
> vacation to see things that trip should be 5 days or more as it has been
> in the past.

I love flying. I love the take off. I love the landing, I love looking
out the window and watching the world go by. I don't like the waiting.
For me to fly to Europe these days I have to drive to Toronto, which
will take a minimum hour and a half, but often much more. Then you
have to be there 2-3 hours early. Then you board and sit there waiting
to take off.

My last trip over was 12 years ago. We left in good time to account for
traffic, so of course there were no delays and we ended up at the
airport 4 hours early. We departed in the evening and arrived as
Schipol at about 5am and had a 4 hour layover, then on to Tallinn
Estonia, arriving there around noon. Our niece's husband picked us up
and drove us to their apartment where we caught up with our niece while
he went back to work.

I was tired enough, but after a a couple drinks and a late dinner I was
near exhaustion. We had been up early at home, left for the airport
around 1 pm. our time and it was almost midnight their time by the time
I went to bed.... in a room with white walls, sheer white curtains that
covered half the window and at that time of year the sun went down at
about 11:30 and was back up an hour later.

On 02/05/2021 19:31, Dr. Bruce wrote:
> S Viemeister wrote:
>
>> On 02/05/2021 13:26, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>> > wrote:
>>
>>>> Not yet. But my flight (if it isn't cancelled yet again) is in a
>>>> couple of months. That's assuming lockdown continues to ease.
>>>
>>> My nephew is stuck too. He had gone over because his mother was
>>> clearly going to die, then came Covid, then she did die and at least
>>> he was there, but now he is just sitting waiting to return. Now
>>> that we are having a third wave, likely it will be a couple of
>>> months before he can come back. I think you'll have more luck
>>> going to the US than he will here.
>>>
>> A relative by marriage, who shall remain un-named,
>
> Brother-in-law.
>
No comment.

Ophelia wrote:

> On 02/05/2021 20:15, cshenk wrote:
> > Ophelia wrote:
> >
> > > On 01/05/2021 16:42, jmcquown wrote:
> > > > On 5/1/2021 11:37 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> > > > > On 5/1/2021 11:00 AM, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> > > > > > On Sat, 1 May 2021 09:55:14 -0400, jmcquown
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 5/1/2021 5:12 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 5:12:02 PM UTC-4,
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On 4/30/2021 10:27 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On 30/04/2021 13:56, Gary wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On 4/29/2021 7:29 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > FYI, so far I'm not feeling any ill effects from
> > > > > > > > > > > > the 2nd vaccine. The nurse told me to help
> > > > > > > > > > > > alleviate the sore arm, exercise the arm. I've
> > > > > > > > > > > > been flapping it occasionally like I'm doing a
> > > > > > > > > > > > one sided chicken dance (LOL) since I got home.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > You also could flap your arm faster like a
> > > > > > > > > > > hummingbird.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ===
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Ahh but can she hummmmm ? ))
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Humminbirds don't actually hum, they chirp (rather
> > > > > > > > > quietly). It's their wings that make a sort of
> > > > > > > > > humming sound.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In my experience they chirp disproportionately loudly
> > > > > > > > for their size, especially during the migration when
> > > > > > > > they're defending the feeder. They not much quieter
> > > > > > > > than a woodpecker's chirp.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Cindy Hamilton
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I suppose in proportion to their size their chirps are
> > > > > > > rather loud.Â* I only hear them when I have the windows
> > > > > > > open in the den, kicked back with a book.Â* It's already
> > > > > > > too humid by Noon to have the windows open.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jill
> > > > > >
> > > > > I spoke a little too soon about humid.Â* I went outside to
> > > > > refill the bird feeder
> > > > [CORRECTION: bird BATH]
> > > > > and discovered, unlike yesterday when it was already 80°F and
> > > > > humid outside, today it is a cool, breezy 60-something!
> > > > >
> > > > > I've opened the windows so when I go into the den I might
> > > > > actually hear the chirps of the hummingbirds and the quick
> > > > > beat of their wings. (They sound to me like the sound effect
> > > > > used for the light sabers in 'Star Wars'.)
> > > > >
> > > > > > They are pretty tough little birds. Before I moved here I
> > > > > > had a feeder on the deck and they would fly to it, flying
> > > > > > between David and I eating our dinner, not in the least
> > > > > > concerned!
> > > > > >
> > > > > Indeed, they are tough little birds.Â* They don't seem to mind
> > > > > buzzing around people.Â* I was sitting on the patio a few
> > > > > years ago and happened to be wearing a red shirt.Â* A
> > > > > hummingbird hovered right in front of my face. Â* They do
> > > > > seem to like red (but NO, don't dye the nectar in the
> > > > > feeder).
> > > > >
> > > > > > One year a grackle decided to nest in our pine tree, not
> > > > > > logical, totally out of place by the sea for a grackle.Â* The
> > > > > > two grackles saw off all our usual birds that year but not
> > > > > > the hummingbirds!Â* They didn't even try to mess and
> > > > > > terrorise them!
> > > > > >
> > > > > Ugh, Grackles.Â* Yes, Hummingbirds are notoriously territorial.
> > > > > They don't take guff from any bird except perhaps, hawks. LOL
> > > > >
> > > > > When it was still "wintery" (heh) down here I filled the suet
> > > > > cage.Â* I started seeing lots of brown-headed cowbirds.Â*
> > > > > They're about like grackles in terms of running off all the
> > > > > songbirds and invading territory.Â* I quickly brought the
> > > > > suet cage inside.Â* They moved on.
> > > > >
> > > > > > When I moved here I put out a feeder over the grassy area I
> > > > > > see from my diningroom.Â* A lady who lived in a house below
> > > > > > our fence called over to me and told me that humming birds
> > > > > > don't come here.Â* She was totally correct.Â* Someone else
> > > > > > put out a hummer feeder last year without success.Â*
> > > > > > Apparently they come as far as a few streets over, but
> > > > > > never nearer.
> > > > > >
> > > > > They pick out their spots.Â* A lot of it has to do with where
> > > > > they can build their nests and get to them before the sun
> > > > > sets. Hummingbirds are very weird.Â* They go into a state of
> > > > > torper just after dusk.Â* I've seen documentaries where
> > > > > researchers have found their nests and if you touch a
> > > > > hummingbird in torpor it doesn't move, it doesn't wake up.
> > > > > Their bodies cool down, their whole metabolism and heart rate
> > > > > slows and they're out like a light.Â* Until the sun starts to
> > > > > rise... then the process reverses itself.Â* I find it
> > > > > fascinating.
> > > > >
> > > > > Gary likes to make fun of my enjoyment of bird watching.Â*
> > > > > What's not to like?Â* They're pretty and most of them sing.Â*
> > > > > Aside from keeping the hummingbird feeder cleaned and filled
> > > > > from March - October or so, in the warmer months I don't
> > > > > feed the other birds.Â* I do keep fresh water in a small bird
> > > > > bath year round. Birds always need a source of fresh water.
> > > > > That's enough to attract a number of very pretty visitors.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jill
> > >
> > > ====
> > >
> > > We have 2 birdfeeders and a bird table so I understand what you
> > > are saying)))
> > >
> > > Oh yes, a bird bath too
> >
> > Saw a red cardinal 2 days ago! They were at my bird feeder.
>
> =====
>
> Oooh lovely! I don't think I've ever seen one of those!

It's the state bird I think. Not common in Virginia Beach but you do
see them at times. I saw them more often as a kid in Charlottesville
VA.

Dave Smith wrote:

> On 2021-05-02 3:19 p.m., cshenk wrote:
> > Dave Smith wrote:
> >
>
> > > The rules were changed. They had to have a negative Covid test
> > > result within 36 hours of boarding a flight to Canada. Those who
> > > had positive results ended up crossing at land borders. So they
> > > changed the rules again.. and you have to get a test at the border
> > > and another three days later and have to self isolate for 14 days.
> > >
> > > It seems that if you walk across you don't have to do that stuff.
> > > So now people are flying to points in the US and then taking
> > > buses or taxis to the border and walking across to avoid all that
> > > stuff.
> > >
> >
> > Thats not good for Canada as our rates have been WAY higher than
> > yours.
> >
>
> Unfortunately, we are playing catch-up. Our third wave was pretty
> bad, as had been predicted. I just had a look at the stats and it
> looks like we are on the downward slope.

Glad to see that. I was a bit worried at how far flung some of your
population is.

cshenk wrote:

> Ophelia wrote:
>
> > On 02/05/2021 20:15, cshenk wrote:

> > > Saw a red cardinal 2 days ago! They were at my bird feeder.
> >
> > =====
> >
> > Oooh lovely! I don't think I've ever seen one of those!
>
> It's the state bird I think. Not common in Virginia Beach but you do
> see them at times. I saw them more often as a kid in Charlottesville
> VA.

It's the state bird of Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, North Carolina,
Ohio, Virginia, and West Virginia. There must not be many to choose
from.

--
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cshenk wrote:

> Dave Smith wrote:
>
> > On 2021-05-02 3:19 p.m., cshenk wrote:
> > > Dave Smith wrote:
> > >
> >
> > > > The rules were changed. They had to have a negative Covid test
> > > > result within 36 hours of boarding a flight to Canada. Those who
> > > > had positive results ended up crossing at land borders. So
> > > > they changed the rules again.. and you have to get a test at
> > > > the border and another three days later and have to self
> > > > isolate for 14 days.
> > > >
> > > > It seems that if you walk across you don't have to do that
> > > > stuff. So now people are flying to points in the US and then
> > > > taking buses or taxis to the border and walking across to avoid
> > > > all that stuff.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Thats not good for Canada as our rates have been WAY higher than
> > > yours.
> > >
> >
> > Unfortunately, we are playing catch-up. Our third wave was pretty
> > bad, as had been predicted. I just had a look at the stats and it
> > looks like we are on the downward slope.
>
> Glad to see that. I was a bit worried at how far flung some of your
> population is.

I wonder what it means that Canadians are far flung. Is it a bad thing?

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On 5/2/2021 3:15 PM, cshenk wrote:
> Ophelia wrote:
>
>> On 01/05/2021 16:42, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 5/1/2021 11:37 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>> On 5/1/2021 11:00 AM, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 1 May 2021 09:55:14 -0400, jmcquown
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/1/2021 5:12 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>>> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 5:12:02 PM UTC-4,
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 4/30/2021 10:27 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 30/04/2021 13:56, Gary wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 4/29/2021 7:29 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> FYI, so far I'm not feeling any ill effects from
>>>>>>>>>>> the 2nd vaccine. The nurse told me to help
>>>>>>>>>>> alleviate the sore arm, exercise the arm. I've
>>>>>>>>>>> been flapping it occasionally like I'm doing a one
>>>>>>>>>>> sided chicken dance (LOL) since I got home.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You also could flap your arm faster like a
>>>>>>>>>> hummingbird.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ahh but can she hummmmm ? ))
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Humminbirds don't actually hum, they chirp (rather
>>>>>>>> quietly). It's their wings that make a sort of humming
>>>>>>>> sound.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In my experience they chirp disproportionately loudly for
>>>>>>> their size, especially during the migration when they're
>>>>>>> defending the feeder. They not much quieter than a
>>>>>>> woodpecker's chirp.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I suppose in proportion to their size their chirps are rather
>>>>>> loud.Â* I only hear them when I have the windows open in the
>>>>>> den, kicked back with a book.Â* It's already too humid by
>>>>>> Noon to have the windows open.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>
>>>> I spoke a little too soon about humid.Â* I went outside to refill
>>>> the bird feeder
>>> [CORRECTION: bird BATH]
>>>> and discovered, unlike yesterday when it was already 80°F and
>>>> humid outside, today it is a cool, breezy 60-something!
>>>>
>>>> I've opened the windows so when I go into the den I might
>>>> actually hear the chirps of the hummingbirds and the quick beat
>>>> of their wings. (They sound to me like the sound effect used for
>>>> the light sabers in 'Star Wars'.)
>>>>
>>>>> They are pretty tough little birds. Before I moved here I had a
>>>>> feeder on the deck and they would fly to it, flying between
>>>>> David and I eating our dinner, not in the least concerned!
>>>>>
>>>> Indeed, they are tough little birds.Â* They don't seem to mind
>>>> buzzing around people.Â* I was sitting on the patio a few years
>>>> ago and happened to be wearing a red shirt.Â* A hummingbird
>>>> hovered right in front of my face. Â* They do seem to like red
>>>> (but NO, don't dye the nectar in the feeder).
>>>>
>>>>> One year a grackle decided to nest in our pine tree, not
>>>>> logical, totally out of place by the sea for a grackle.Â* The
>>>>> two grackles saw off all our usual birds that year but not the
>>>>> hummingbirds!Â* They didn't even try to mess and terrorise them!
>>>>>
>>>> Ugh, Grackles.Â* Yes, Hummingbirds are notoriously territorial.
>>>> They don't take guff from any bird except perhaps, hawks. LOL
>>>>
>>>> When it was still "wintery" (heh) down here I filled the suet
>>>> cage.Â* I started seeing lots of brown-headed cowbirds.Â* They're
>>>> about like grackles in terms of running off all the songbirds
>>>> and invading territory.Â* I quickly brought the suet cage
>>>> inside.Â* They moved on.
>>>>
>>>>> When I moved here I put out a feeder over the grassy area I see
>>>>> from my diningroom.Â* A lady who lived in a house below our
>>>>> fence called over to me and told me that humming birds don't
>>>>> come here.Â* She was totally correct.Â* Someone else put out a
>>>>> hummer feeder last year without success.Â* Apparently they come
>>>>> as far as a few streets over, but never nearer.
>>>>>
>>>> They pick out their spots.Â* A lot of it has to do with where they
>>>> can build their nests and get to them before the sun sets.
>>>> Hummingbirds are very weird.Â* They go into a state of torper
>>>> just after dusk.Â* I've seen documentaries where researchers have
>>>> found their nests and if you touch a hummingbird in torpor it
>>>> doesn't move, it doesn't wake up. Their bodies cool down, their
>>>> whole metabolism and heart rate slows and they're out like a
>>>> light.Â* Until the sun starts to rise... then the process
>>>> reverses itself.Â* I find it fascinating.
>>>>
>>>> Gary likes to make fun of my enjoyment of bird watching.Â* What's
>>>> not to like?Â* They're pretty and most of them sing.Â* Aside from
>>>> keeping the hummingbird feeder cleaned and filled from March -
>>>> October or so, in the warmer months I don't feed the other
>>>> birds.Â* I do keep fresh water in a small bird bath year round.
>>>> Birds always need a source of fresh water. That's enough to
>>>> attract a number of very pretty visitors.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>
>> ====
>>
>> We have 2 birdfeeders and a bird table so I understand what you are
>> saying)))
>>
>> Oh yes, a bird bath too
>
> Saw a red cardinal 2 days ago! They were at my bird feeder.
>
I see cardinals all the time. There's a mated pair who always show up
for a few sips of water and a splash in the bath. The bluebirds (males
with electric blue wings and orange-red breasts) are stunning to see, too.

Jill

On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 12:03:45 PM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>
> > On 2021-05-02 3:19 p.m., cshenk wrote:
> > > Dave Smith wrote:
> > >
> >
> > > > The rules were changed. They had to have a negative Covid test
> > > > result within 36 hours of boarding a flight to Canada. Those who
> > > > had positive results ended up crossing at land borders. So they
> > > > changed the rules again.. and you have to get a test at the border
> > > > and another three days later and have to self isolate for 14 days.
> > > >
> > > > It seems that if you walk across you don't have to do that stuff.
> > > > So now people are flying to points in the US and then taking
> > > > buses or taxis to the border and walking across to avoid all that
> > > > stuff.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Thats not good for Canada as our rates have been WAY higher than
> > > yours.
> > >
> >
> > Unfortunately, we are playing catch-up. Our third wave was pretty
> > bad, as had been predicted. I just had a look at the stats and it
> > looks like we are on the downward slope.
> Glad to see that. I was a bit worried at how far flung some of your
> population is.

At one time, the Canadians were buying Hawaiian properties like crazy. They were buying more than the Chinese and Japanese. That was pretty weird.