On 2021-05-02 6:03 p.m., cshenk wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>

>>
>> Unfortunately, we are playing catch-up. Our third wave was pretty
>> bad, as had been predicted. I just had a look at the stats and it
>> looks like we are on the downward slope.
>
> Glad to see that. I was a bit worried at how far flung some of your
> population is.
>

>
>

The worst places in Ontario are the heavily congested areas, Toronto and
the surrounding urban sprawl.

Our rates in Niagara had been pretty low after a lockdown, so the eased
the restrictions outside of the Toronto area. It was nice to get out
and resume life to some degree, but the lock down in Toronto left those
people nowhere to shop local, so they headed out of town..... and rates
rose in those places.

dsi1 wrote:

> On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 12:03:45 PM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
> > Dave Smith wrote:
> >
> > > > Thats not good for Canada as our rates have been WAY higher
> > > > than yours.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Unfortunately, we are playing catch-up. Our third wave was pretty
> > > bad, as had been predicted. I just had a look at the stats and it
> > > looks like we are on the downward slope.
> > Glad to see that. I was a bit worried at how far flung some of your
> > population is.
>
> At one time, the Canadians were buying Hawaiian properties like
> crazy. They were buying more than the Chinese and Japanese. That was
> pretty weird.

The Canadafication of Hawaii. Didn't you say you have seals there?

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On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 5:26:10 PM UTC-5, wrote:
>
> On 5/2/2021 3:15 PM, cshenk wrote:
> >
> > Saw a red cardinal 2 days ago! They were at my bird feeder.
> >
> I see cardinals all the time. There's a mated pair who always show up
> for a few sips of water and a splash in the bath. The bluebirds (males
> with electric blue wings and orange-red breasts) are stunning to see, too.
>
> Jill
>
I see them year-round here; needless to say, they are easy to spot. I used
to see bluebirds frequently but it's been years since I've spotted one. We
have their cousin, the mockingbird, here. Although it is the state bird, I'm
not impressed with them and their screeching.

On 2021-05-02 2:29 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2021-05-02 3:19 p.m., cshenk wrote:
>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>
>>> The rules were changed. They had to have a negative Covid test result
>>> within 36 hours of boarding a flight to Canada. Those who had
>>> positive results ended up crossing at land borders.Â*Â*Â* So they
>>> changed the rules again.. and you have to get a test at the border
>>> and another three days later and have to self isolate for 14 days.
>>>
>>> It seems that if you walk across you don't have to do that stuff. So
>>> now people areÂ* flying to points in the US and then taking buses or
>>> taxis to the border and walking across to avoid all that stuff.
>>>
>>
>> Thats not good for Canada as our rates have been WAY higher than yours.
>>
>
> Unfortunately, we are playing catch-up. Our third wave was pretty bad,
> as had been predicted. I just had a look at the stats and it looks like
> we are on the downward slope.

It's really bad in Alberta now. Our mayor stated that on a per capita
basis, Calgary is twice as bad as India.

On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 12:37:42 PM UTC-10, Dr. Bruce wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>
> > On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 12:03:45 PM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
> > > Dave Smith wrote:
> > >
> > > > > Thats not good for Canada as our rates have been WAY higher
> > > > > than yours.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Unfortunately, we are playing catch-up. Our third wave was pretty
> > > > bad, as had been predicted. I just had a look at the stats and it
> > > > looks like we are on the downward slope.
> > > Glad to see that. I was a bit worried at how far flung some of your
> > > population is.
> >
> > At one time, the Canadians were buying Hawaiian properties like
> > crazy. They were buying more than the Chinese and Japanese. That was
> > pretty weird.
> The Canadafication of Hawaii. Didn't you say you have seals there?
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Hawaiian monk seals. They're an endangered species. No clubbing of these guys, please.

On Sun, 2 May 2021 17:19:50 -0600, Graham > wrote:

>On 2021-05-02 2:29 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2021-05-02 3:19 p.m., cshenk wrote:
>>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>
>>>> The rules were changed. They had to have a negative Covid test result
>>>> within 36 hours of boarding a flight to Canada. Those who had
>>>> positive results ended up crossing at land borders.*** So they
>>>> changed the rules again.. and you have to get a test at the border
>>>> and another three days later and have to self isolate for 14 days.
>>>>
>>>> It seems that if you walk across you don't have to do that stuff. So
>>>> now people are* flying to points in the US and then taking buses or
>>>> taxis to the border and walking across to avoid all that stuff.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thats not good for Canada as our rates have been WAY higher than yours.
>>>
>>
>> Unfortunately, we are playing catch-up. Our third wave was pretty bad,
>> as had been predicted. I just had a look at the stats and it looks like
>> we are on the downward slope.
>
>It's really bad in Alberta now. Our mayor stated that on a per capita
>basis, Calgary is twice as bad as India.

I like your mayor, he always seems so down-to-earth. See he is not
going to run again

Graham wrote:

> On 2021-05-02 2:29 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
> > On 2021-05-02 3:19 p.m., cshenk wrote:
> > > Dave Smith wrote:
> > >
> >
> > > > The rules were changed. They had to have a negative Covid test
> > > > result within 36 hours of boarding a flight to Canada. Those
> > > > who had positive results ended up crossing at land borders.Â*Â*Â*
> > > > So they changed the rules again.. and you have to get a test at
> > > > the border and another three days later and have to self
> > > > isolate for 14 days.
> > > >
> > > > It seems that if you walk across you don't have to do that
> > > > stuff. So now people areÂ* flying to points in the US and then
> > > > taking buses or taxis to the border and walking across to avoid
> > > > all that stuff.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Thats not good for Canada as our rates have been WAY higher than
> > > yours.
> > >
> >
> > Unfortunately, we are playing catch-up. Our third wave was pretty
> > bad, as had been predicted. I just had a look at the stats and it
> > looks like we are on the downward slope.
>
> It's really bad in Alberta now. Our mayor stated that on a per capita
> basis, Calgary is twice as bad as India.

Most of RFC doesn't understand "per capita". It's a Marxist concept.

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dsi1 wrote:

> On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 12:37:42 PM UTC-10, Dr. Bruce wrote:
> > dsi1 wrote:
> >
> > > On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 12:03:45 PM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
> > > > Dave Smith wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > Thats not good for Canada as our rates have been WAY higher
> > > > > > than yours.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Unfortunately, we are playing catch-up. Our third wave was
> > > > > pretty bad, as had been predicted. I just had a look at the
> > > > > stats and it looks like we are on the downward slope.
> > > > Glad to see that. I was a bit worried at how far flung some of
> > > > your population is.
> > >
> > > At one time, the Canadians were buying Hawaiian properties like
> > > crazy. They were buying more than the Chinese and Japanese. That
> > > was pretty weird.
> > The Canadafication of Hawaii. Didn't you say you have seals there?
> > --
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>
> Hawaiian monk seals. They're an endangered species. No clubbing of
> these guys, please.

Yes, those were the ones!

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On 2021-05-02 7:19 p.m., Graham wrote:
> On 2021-05-02 2:29 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
>
>>> Thats not good for Canada as our rates have been WAY higher than yours.
>>>
>>
>> Unfortunately, we are playing catch-up. Our third wave was pretty bad,
>> as had been predicted. I just had a look at the stats and it looks
>> like we are on the downward slope.
>
> It's really bad in Alberta now. Our mayor stated that on a per capita
> basis, Calgary is twice as bad as India.
>

Is it all over the province or just in the certain areas? I was under
the impression that Fort McMurray was especially hard hit.

We were a little upset a couple months ago when, after a lock down, we
were able to open up, but Toronto and the GTA were still locked down. We
knew the GTA crowd would come down here to show and party..... and bring
the virus with them. That is basically what happened.

Dave Smith wrote:

> On 2021-05-02 7:19 p.m., Graham wrote:
> > On 2021-05-02 2:29 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
> >
> > > > Thats not good for Canada as our rates have been WAY higher
> > > > than yours.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Unfortunately, we are playing catch-up. Our third wave was pretty
> > > bad, as had been predicted. I just had a look at the stats and
> > > it looks like we are on the downward slope.
> >
> > It's really bad in Alberta now. Our mayor stated that on a per
> > capita basis, Calgary is twice as bad as India.
> >
>
> Is it all over the province or just in the certain areas? I was under
> the impression that Fort McMurray was especially hard hit.
>
> We were a little upset a couple months ago when, after a lock down,
> we were able to open up, but Toronto and the GTA were still locked
> down. We knew the GTA crowd would come down here to show and
> party..... and bring the virus with them. That is basically what
> happened.

Grand Theft Auto?

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On Sun, 02 May 2021 18:22:30 +0000, Dr. Bruce wrote:

> So someone wants nothing to do with you.
> Big deal. I get that all the time in RFC.
> Do I understand why? Of course not

It's because you are an unrepentant troll.

This has already been explained to you by others.

On 2021-05-02 5:37 p.m., Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> On Sun, 2 May 2021 17:19:50 -0600, Graham > wrote:
>
>> On 2021-05-02 2:29 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2021-05-02 3:19 p.m., cshenk wrote:
>>>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> The rules were changed. They had to have a negative Covid test result
>>>>> within 36 hours of boarding a flight to Canada. Those who had
>>>>> positive results ended up crossing at land borders.Â*Â*Â* So they
>>>>> changed the rules again.. and you have to get a test at the border
>>>>> and another three days later and have to self isolate for 14 days.
>>>>>
>>>>> It seems that if you walk across you don't have to do that stuff. So
>>>>> now people areÂ* flying to points in the US and then taking buses or
>>>>> taxis to the border and walking across to avoid all that stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thats not good for Canada as our rates have been WAY higher than yours.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, we are playing catch-up. Our third wave was pretty bad,
>>> as had been predicted. I just had a look at the stats and it looks like
>>> we are on the downward slope.
>>
>> It's really bad in Alberta now. Our mayor stated that on a per capita
>> basis, Calgary is twice as bad as India.
>
> I like your mayor, he always seems so down-to-earth. See he is not
> going to run again
>
Wise! Although I think he has been an excellent mayor, he has run his
course. The knuckle draggers hate him.

On 2021-05-02 6:07 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2021-05-02 7:19 p.m., Graham wrote:
>> On 2021-05-02 2:29 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>>> Thats not good for Canada as our rates have been WAY higher than yours.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, we are playing catch-up. Our third wave was pretty
>>> bad, as had been predicted. I just had a look at the stats and it
>>> looks like we are on the downward slope.
>>
>> It's really bad in Alberta now. Our mayor stated that on a per capita
>> basis, Calgary is twice as bad as India.
>>
>
> Is it all over the province or just in the certain areas? I was under
> the impression that Fort McMurray was especially hard hit.
>
> We were a little upset a couple months ago when, after a lock down, we
> were able to open up, but Toronto and the GTA were still locked down. We
> knew the GTA crowd would come down here to show and party..... and bring
> the virus with them. That is basically what happened.
>
Mainly the cities and larger towns. Of course the rural areas claim that
they shouldn't suffer lockdowns etc as they don't have many cases but on
a per capita basis, they do. ****ing farmers, always whining!!!

Mike Duffy wrote:

> On Sun, 02 May 2021 18:22:30 +0000, Dr. Bruce wrote:
>
> > So someone wants nothing to do with you.
> > Big deal. I get that all the time in RFC.
> > Do I understand why? Of course not
>
> It's because you are an unrepentant troll.
>
> This has already been explained to you by others.

This message was brought to us by one of the more dense contributors to
RFC.

Thanks, Mike!

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On Sat, 1 May 2021 16:51:41 +0100, Ophelia >
wrote:

>On 30/04/2021 23:48, Ophelia wrote:
>> On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 09:45:24 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2021-04-30 9:34 a.m., S Viemeister wrote:
>>>> On 30/04/2021 12:21, Dr Bruce wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> Do you get that badge to prove you've had them??* We don't get
>>>>>> anything .. except the injection)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> You get a card, dimmy.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps _you_ do, dimmy.
>>>>
>>>> Ophelia is in Scotland, as am I - no cards were provided when we had our
>>>> vaccinations.
>>>
>>> My wife had her vaccination at one location and got a sticker. I had had
>>> mine two days earlier at another location and for a lapel button.
>>
>> Haha, your wife holidays away from you. Tells us all we need to
>> know........
>===
>
>I did not write that!

So you say! Hmmm..............

On Sat, 1 May 2021 18:48:13 -0400, Dr Bruce > wrote:

>On 5/1/2021 6:45 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>> On 01/05/2021 19:08, Dr Bruce wrote:
>>>>> Haha, your wife holidays away from you. Tells us all we need to
>>>>> know........
>>>> ===
>>>>
>>>> I did not write that!
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Greg Sorrow did.
>>
>> ====
>>
>> * Ahhhh thank you.
>>
>>
>You're quite welcome, he changes nyms almost as often
>as underwear.

If you say so, 'Bruce' AKA 'Brazza' AKA 'Ron' . That's 3 nyms you've
used this week alone. Probably more I dont know about.

On 5/3/2021 2:16 AM, Jim Lahey wrote:
> On Sat, 1 May 2021 18:48:13 -0400, Dr Bruce > wrote:
>
>> On 5/1/2021 6:45 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>> On 01/05/2021 19:08, Dr Bruce wrote:
>>>>>> Haha, your wife holidays away from you. Tells us all we need to
>>>>>> know........
>>>>> ===
>>>>>
>>>>> I did not write that!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Greg Sorrow did.
>>>
>>> ====
>>>
>>> Â* Ahhhh thank you.
>>>
>>>
>> You're quite welcome, he changes nyms almost as often
>> as underwear.
>
> If you say so, 'Bruce' AKA 'Brazza' AKA 'Ron' . That's 3 nyms you've
> used this week alone. Probably more I dont know about.
>
Hi Greg.

On 5/2/2021 1:24 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 5/2/2021 1:04 PM, US Janet wrote:
>> On Sun, 2 May 2021 09:11:34 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/30/2021 1:12 PM, US Janet wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 12:07:47 -0500, Sqwertz >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 08:44:29 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Beats me.Â* I guess they hope people will walk around wearing the
>>>>>> button/badge to encourage others to please get the vaccines!
>>>>>
>>>>> We got little 3/4" square stickers. So people with the virus can get
>>>>> right up into your face just to read what your sticker says.
>>>>>
>>>>> -sw
>>>>
>>>> We got red/white/blue V lapel pins, presumably for Vaccine.Â* It was
>>>> timely to wear as we got it to wear immediately after the national
>>>> election.Â* V for Victory
>>>> Janet US
>>>
>>> You got a vaccine in early November? "Immediately after the national
>>> election?"
>>>
>>>
>> Excuse my imprecise verbage.Â* Inauguration Day.Â* I'm getting old and
>> the precise words don't always flow out of my fingers as they used to.
>> Mea Culpa (
>> Janet US
>>
> Don't apologise.Â* He's picking at nits.
>
> Jill
>
Stop telling people how to post, you stupid ****.

On 2021-05-03 12:10 a.m., Graham wrote:
> On 2021-05-02 6:07 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:

>> We were a little upset a couple months ago when, after a lock down, we
>> were able to open up, but Toronto and the GTA were still locked down.
>> We knew the GTA crowd would come down here to show and party..... and
>> bring the virus with them. That is basically what happened.
>>
> Mainly the cities and larger towns. Of course the rural areas claim that
> they shouldn't suffer lockdowns etc as they don't have many cases but on
> a per capita basis, they do. ****ing farmers, always whining!!!


Our infection rates had dropped way, way down and they eased
restrictions, but Toronto,Peel and York remained locked down. Just as
many expected, the Toronto area people headed out of town to shop and
play. Within a short time we ended up back in lock down.


I know what you mean about farmers. There is no such thing as a good
year for them. If the weather is perfect and there is a good crop the
price is low. Then there are things like the Canada Wheat Board. That
had been set up to protect farmers from being ripped up by the big food
companies. It bought all their wheat and paid them for it, then the CWB
stored it and marketed it for them. It worked great when prices were
down and the farmers couldn't sell it themselves. When prices were up
and the market was hot they bitched and whined about the wheat board
being some sort of government Satan preventing them from profitting on
their own produce.

In article >,
says...
>
> Dave Smith wrote:
> > I missed a few more meals because they were hoping to something that
> > involved knocking me out. It got to the point that I didn't mind
> > missing meals because they were so small and so horrible I was not
> > missing much. Between the lack of food, the missed meals and being
> > pumped full od diuretics, I dropped more than 20 pounds over the 6 days
> > I was there.
>
> Correct me if I've missed something but spending 6 days in the hospital
> for serious heart problems and they allowed you to lose more than 20
> pounds? That doesn't sound like very good health care to me.

That's because you're an ignoramus about human biology,
Gary. "Diuretics" should have been a clue.

https://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/guide-heart-failure

One of the effects of heart failure is the accumulation
of huge amounts of excess fluid in many parts of the body.
Belly, hands. feet ,legs etc fill up with water. Water is
heavy.

A diuretic is a medication that stimulates the body to
reverse the process, by making the kidneys work hard so
you pee more. More pee reduces fluid retention = rapid
weight loss.


Janet.

In article >,
says...
>
> On 4/30/2021 11:08 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> > On 30/04/2021 15:43, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 10:26:18 AM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:
> >>
> >>>> Badges? Badges? We don't need no steenking badges!
> >>
> >>> Heh! At we didn't get anything except a leaflet of information.
> >>> The details will have gone to our doctors though!
> >>
> >> Americans don't necessarily have a doctor. I was assigned one
> >> by my insurance a couple of years ago, but I've never seen him.
> >> I was just about to find a different one (closer to my home), but
> >> then COVID hit so I hunkered down.
>
> The last few times I've needed a doctor, I goto one of those minor
> emergency places. "Doctors on Call" was one. They are open 7 days a week
> and no appointments necessary. First come, first serve.
>
> They charge the same as regular doctors without waiting for an appointment.

But do they have access to the patient's medical
history and records?

My GP doctor has online access to my medical records
going back decades, either at GP or from every hospital
that's treated me.
I don't get billed for any of my consults or treatments.

Janet UK

On 2021-05-03 7:21 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2021-05-03 12:10 a.m., Graham wrote:
>> On 2021-05-02 6:07 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
>
>>> We were a little upset a couple months ago when, after a lock down,
>>> we were able to open up, but Toronto and the GTA were still locked
>>> down. We knew the GTA crowd would come down here to show and
>>> party..... and bring the virus with them. That is basically what
>>> happened.
>>>
>> Mainly the cities and larger towns. Of course the rural areas claim
>> that they shouldn't suffer lockdowns etc as they don't have many cases
>> but on a per capita basis, they do. ****ing farmers, always whining!!!
>
>
> Our infection rates had dropped way, way down and they eased
> restrictions, but Toronto,Peel and York remained locked down.Â* Just as
> many expected, the Toronto area people headed out of town to shop and
> play. Within a short time we ended up back in lock down.
>
>
> I know what you mean about farmers. There is no such thing as a good
> year for them. If the weather is perfect and there is a good crop the
> price is low.Â* Then there are things like the Canada Wheat Board. That
> had been set up to protect farmers from being ripped up by the big food
> companies.Â* It bought all their wheat and paid them for it, then the CWB
> stored it and marketed it for them. It worked great when prices were
> down and the farmers couldn't sell it themselves. When prices were up
> and the market was hot they bitched and whined about theÂ* wheat board
> being some sort of government Satan preventing them from profitting on
> their own produce.

They did a poll and the majority of farmers wanted to maintain the CWB.
However, that mean-sprited ******* of a PM was against it on principle
so he nixed it.

On 2021-05-03 8:05 a.m., Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> On 4/30/2021 11:08 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>> On 30/04/2021 15:43, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 10:26:18 AM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Badges? Badges? We don't need no steenking badges!
>>>>
>>>>> Heh! At we didn't get anything except a leaflet of information.
>>>>> The details will have gone to our doctors though!
>>>>
>>>> Americans don't necessarily have a doctor. I was assigned one
>>>> by my insurance a couple of years ago, but I've never seen him.
>>>> I was just about to find a different one (closer to my home), but
>>>> then COVID hit so I hunkered down.
>>
>> The last few times I've needed a doctor, I goto one of those minor
>> emergency places. "Doctors on Call" was one. They are open 7 days a week
>> and no appointments necessary. First come, first serve.
>>
>> They charge the same as regular doctors without waiting for an appointment.
>
> But do they have access to the patient's medical
> history and records?
>
> My GP doctor has online access to my medical records
> going back decades, either at GP or from every hospital
> that's treated me.
> I don't get billed for any of my consults or treatments.
>
> Janet UK
>
When my Dr retired due to a diagnosis of Parkinson's, I managed to get
my old paper records that were the norm before they went "digital". They
make very interesting reading as they contain the correspondence with
specialists when I had surgery, along with their description of the
operations.

On Mon, 3 May 2021 14:50:00 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article >,
>says...
>>
>> Dave Smith wrote:
>> > I missed a few more meals because they were hoping to something that
>> > involved knocking me out. It got to the point that I didn't mind
>> > missing meals because they were so small and so horrible I was not
>> > missing much. Between the lack of food, the missed meals and being
>> > pumped full od diuretics, I dropped more than 20 pounds over the 6 days
>> > I was there.
>>
>> Correct me if I've missed something but spending 6 days in the hospital
>> for serious heart problems and they allowed you to lose more than 20
>> pounds? That doesn't sound like very good health care to me.
>
> That's because you're an ignoramus about human biology,
>Gary. "Diuretics" should have been a clue.
>
>https://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/guide-heart-failure
>
> One of the effects of heart failure is the accumulation
>of huge amounts of excess fluid in many parts of the body.
>Belly, hands. feet ,legs etc fill up with water. Water is
>heavy.
>
> A diuretic is a medication that stimulates the body to
>reverse the process, by making the kidneys work hard so
>you pee more. More pee reduces fluid retention = rapid
>weight loss.
>
> Janet.

Depends... water weighs about 8.5 pounds per gallon. Actually most
water loss is through perspiration and respiration, it's difficult to
urinate a gallon in a relatively short time.

On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 10:05:45 AM UTC-4, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
> >
> > On 4/30/2021 11:08 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> > > On 30/04/2021 15:43, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > >> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 10:26:18 AM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>> Badges? Badges? We don't need no steenking badges!
> > >>
> > >>> Heh! At we didn't get anything except a leaflet of information.
> > >>> The details will have gone to our doctors though!
> > >>
> > >> Americans don't necessarily have a doctor. I was assigned one
> > >> by my insurance a couple of years ago, but I've never seen him.
> > >> I was just about to find a different one (closer to my home), but
> > >> then COVID hit so I hunkered down.
> >
> > The last few times I've needed a doctor, I goto one of those minor
> > emergency places. "Doctors on Call" was one. They are open 7 days a week
> > and no appointments necessary. First come, first serve.
> >
> > They charge the same as regular doctors without waiting for an appointment.
>
> But do they have access to the patient's medical
> history and records?

People who don't have a GP don't have a medical history, as such.
My medical history for the last 40 years is a series of sporadic blood
panels for glucose, A1C, cholesterol (and it's buddies) that are consistently
unremarkable. No illnesses, accidents, or hospital visits.

> My GP doctor has online access to my medical records
> going back decades, either at GP or from every hospital
> that's treated me.
> I don't get billed for any of my consults or treatments.

You pay for them, just not on a per-visit basis.

Cindy Hamilton

On 2021-05-03 10:13 a.m., Graham wrote:
> On 2021-05-03 7:21 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>
>> I know what you mean about farmers. There is no such thing as a good
>> year for them. If the weather is perfect and there is a good crop the
>> price is low.Â* Then there are things like the Canada Wheat Board. That
>> had been set up to protect farmers from being ripped up by the big
>> food companies.Â* It bought all their wheat and paid them for it, then
>> the CWB stored it and marketed it for them. It worked great when
>> prices were down and the farmers couldn't sell it themselves. When
>> prices were up and the market was hot they bitched and whined about
>> theÂ* wheat board being some sort of government Satan preventing them
>> from profitting on their own produce.
>
> They did a poll and the majority of farmers wanted to maintain the CWB.
> However, that mean-sprited ******* of a PM was against it on principle
> so he nixed it.

It was my understanding that 62% wanted to keep the WMB, and that is the
same number that wanted to remove barley from its control. That was
about the time that barley prices were hot and farmers wanted to be able
to sell their crops themselves. It should be noted that the marketing
board was only for western Canadian grains. Ontario has its own wheat
marketing board. And we grow a lot of wheat here.

In article <8f0d0cd6-ae33-43a1-bddf-
>,
says...
>
> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 10:05:45 AM UTC-4, Janet wrote:
> > In article >,
> > says...
> > >
> > > On 4/30/2021 11:08 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> > > > On 30/04/2021 15:43, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > >> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 10:26:18 AM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>>> Badges? Badges? We don't need no steenking badges!
> > > >>
> > > >>> Heh! At we didn't get anything except a leaflet of information.
> > > >>> The details will have gone to our doctors though!
> > > >>
> > > >> Americans don't necessarily have a doctor. I was assigned one
> > > >> by my insurance a couple of years ago, but I've never seen him.
> > > >> I was just about to find a different one (closer to my home), but
> > > >> then COVID hit so I hunkered down.
> > >
> > > The last few times I've needed a doctor, I goto one of those minor
> > > emergency places. "Doctors on Call" was one. They are open 7 days a week
> > > and no appointments necessary. First come, first serve.
> > >
> > > They charge the same as regular doctors without waiting for an appointment.
> >
> > But do they have access to the patient's medical
> > history and records?
>
> People who don't have a GP don't have a medical history, as such.

So when Gary goes to an emergency place, do the doctors
treating him have no access to any of his previous scans,
xrays or test results at another facility

> My medical history for the last 40 years is a series of sporadic blood
> panels for glucose, A1C, cholesterol (and it's buddies) that are consistently
> unremarkable. No illnesses, accidents, or hospital visits.
>
> > My GP doctor has online access to my medical records
> > going back decades, either at GP or from every hospital
> > that's treated me.
> > I don't get billed for any of my consults or treatments.
>
> You pay for them, just not on a per-visit basis.

Nor on any medical basis at all. I've no idea what my
lifetime healthcare cost.

Janet UK

Dr. Bruce wrote:
> Mike Duffy wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 02 May 2021 18:22:30 +0000, Dr. Bruce wrote:
>>
>>> So someone wants nothing to do with you.
>>> Big deal. I get that all the time in RFC.
>>> Do I understand why? Of course not
>>
>> It's because you are an unrepentant troll.
>>
>> This has already been explained to you by others.
>
> This message was brought to us by one of the more dense contributors to
> RFC.
>
> Thanks, Mike!
>

<*SNIFF*>

On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 12:09:57 PM UTC-4, Janet wrote:
> In article <8f0d0cd6-ae33-43a1-bddf-
> >,
> says...
> >
> > On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 10:05:45 AM UTC-4, Janet wrote:
> > > In article >,
> > > says...
> > > >
> > > > On 4/30/2021 11:08 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> > > > > On 30/04/2021 15:43, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > > >> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 10:26:18 AM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>> Badges? Badges? We don't need no steenking badges!
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> Heh! At we didn't get anything except a leaflet of information.
> > > > >>> The details will have gone to our doctors though!
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Americans don't necessarily have a doctor. I was assigned one
> > > > >> by my insurance a couple of years ago, but I've never seen him.
> > > > >> I was just about to find a different one (closer to my home), but
> > > > >> then COVID hit so I hunkered down.
> > > >
> > > > The last few times I've needed a doctor, I goto one of those minor
> > > > emergency places. "Doctors on Call" was one. They are open 7 days a week
> > > > and no appointments necessary. First come, first serve.
> > > >
> > > > They charge the same as regular doctors without waiting for an appointment.
> > >
> > > But do they have access to the patient's medical
> > > history and records?
> >
> > People who don't have a GP don't have a medical history, as such.
> So when Gary goes to an emergency place, do the doctors
> treating him have no access to any of his previous scans,
> xrays or test results at another facility

Probably not. Depending on what he's been in for, there might not have
been any tests, scans, or X-rays. For example, to stitch up a bad laceration.

I broke my ankle slightly over 40 years ago. Those records are long gone.
The film X-rays, the paper copy of the emergency room records, all shredded.

Cindy Hamilton

On 5/2/2021 5:11 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

>
> I love flying.Â* I love the take off. I love the landing, I love looking
> out the window and watching the world go by. I don't like the waiting.
> For me to fly to Europe these days I have to drive to Toronto, which
> will take a minimumÂ* hour and a half, but often much more.Â* Then you
> have to be there 2-3 hours early.Â* Then you board and sit there waiting
> to take off.
>
> My last trip over was 12 years ago.Â* We left in good time to account for
> traffic, so of course there were no delays and we ended up at the
> airport 4 hours early.Â* We departed in the evening and arrived as
> Schipol at about 5am and had a 4 hour layover, then on to Tallinn
> Estonia, arriving there around noon.Â* Our niece's husband picked us up
> and drove us to their apartment where we caught up with our niece while
> he went back to work.
>
> I was tired enough, but after a a couple drinks and a late dinner I was
> near exhaustion.Â* We had been up early at home, left for the airport
> around 1 pm. our time and it was almost midnight their timeÂ* by the time
> I went to bed.... in a room with white walls, sheer white curtains that
> covered half the window andÂ* at that time of year the sun went down at
> about 11:30 and was back up an hour later.

I like to fly too. Shame they go so far up. Would be better if they
flew at 5000 feet or so giving a good view.

At the end of the trip the number of take off and landing should be
equal too.

On 03/05/2021 17:10, Janet wrote:

> So when Gary goes to an emergency place, do the doctors
> treating him have no access to any of his previous scans,
> xrays or test results at another facility
>
Only if the emergency place is affiliated with the doctors who treated
him previously, or if he has copies and provides them.

On 2021-05-03 3:02 p.m., Heywood wrote:
> On 5/2/2021 5:11 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
le he went back to work.
>>
>> I was tired enough, but after a a couple drinks and a late dinner I
>> was near exhaustion.Â* We had been up early at home, left for the
>> airport around 1 pm. our time and it was almost midnight their time
>> by the time I went to bed.... in a room with white walls, sheer white
>> curtains that covered half the window andÂ* at that time of year the
>> sun went down at about 11:30 and was back up an hour later.
>
> I like to fly too.Â* Shame they go so far up.Â* Would be better if they
> flew at 5000 feet or so giving a good view.
>
> At the end of the trip the number of take off and landing should be
> equal too.

I got a couple great presents this year, but have not been able to
redeem them. The first was my birthday present, a familiarization flight
at a local airport, basically a flying lesson. Then for Christmas my
wife and son arranged for a flight in Harvard trainer at the War Birds
Heritage museum in Hamilton. The guy who will be taking my up is a
friend of my buddy, a former pilot. This guy also flies the Lancaster
bomber they have there.

On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 11:11:17 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2021-05-02 4:19 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 5/2/2021 3:14 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> >> If I could teleport, I wouldn't mind traveling. The thought of being
> >> cooped up in an aluminum tube with a couple hundred strangers
> >> for half a day doesn't appeal one little bit.
> >>
> >> Cindy Hamilton
> >>
> >
> > Many flights to Europe from the east leave about dinner time. Order a
> > second drink or wine with dinner and then sleep the rest of the way and
> > arrive in the morning.
> >
> > To make it worthwhile you have to go for at least 10 to 14 days. IMO,
> > well worth doing at least once in your life.
> >
> > Even seeing other parts of the US is good too. I've know people that
> > never ventured 50 miles from where they were born.
> >
> > I run up and down the east coast a few times a year but that is not
> > seeing anything but highway to my destination in 18 hours. On a
> > vacation to see things that trip should be 5 days or more as it has been
> > in the past.
> I love flying. I love the take off. I love the landing, I love looking
> out the window and watching the world go by. I don't like the waiting.
> For me to fly to Europe these days I have to drive to Toronto, which
> will take a minimum hour and a half, but often much more. Then you
> have to be there 2-3 hours early. Then you board and sit there waiting
> to take off.
>
> My last trip over was 12 years ago. We left in good time to account for
> traffic, so of course there were no delays and we ended up at the
> airport 4 hours early. We departed in the evening and arrived as
> Schipol at about 5am and had a 4 hour layover, then on to Tallinn
> Estonia, arriving there around noon. Our niece's husband picked us up
> and drove us to their apartment where we caught up with our niece while
> he went back to work.
>
> I was tired enough, but after a a couple drinks and a late dinner I was
> near exhaustion. We had been up early at home, left for the airport
> around 1 pm. our time and it was almost midnight their time by the time
> I went to bed.... in a room with white walls, sheer white curtains that
> covered half the window and at that time of year the sun went down at
> about 11:30 and was back up an hour later.

The flight over here is pretty boring because it's mostly over a great expanse of water. If you're lucky, you might get some turbulence or your engine might blow up. That's always fun. Oddly enough, renting a car on this rock would probably cost more than the plane ticket. Some people will rent a U-Haul to drive around because it'll be cheaper. Ha ha, that's so weird.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5USIHRljCs

On 5/3/2021 12:10 PM, Janet wrote:
> In article <8f0d0cd6-ae33-43a1-bddf-
> >,
> says...
>>
>> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 10:05:45 AM UTC-4, Janet wrote:
>>> In article >,
>>> says...
>>>>
>>>> On 4/30/2021 11:08 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>> On 30/04/2021 15:43, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 10:26:18 AM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Badges? Badges? We don't need no steenking badges!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Heh! At we didn't get anything except a leaflet of information.
>>>>>>> The details will have gone to our doctors though!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Americans don't necessarily have a doctor. I was assigned one
>>>>>> by my insurance a couple of years ago, but I've never seen him.
>>>>>> I was just about to find a different one (closer to my home), but
>>>>>> then COVID hit so I hunkered down.
>>>>
>>>> The last few times I've needed a doctor, I goto one of those minor
>>>> emergency places. "Doctors on Call" was one. They are open 7 days a week
>>>> and no appointments necessary. First come, first serve.
>>>>
>>>> They charge the same as regular doctors without waiting for an appointment.
>>>
>>> But do they have access to the patient's medical
>>> history and records?
>>
>> People who don't have a GP don't have a medical history, as such.
>
> So when Gary goes to an emergency place, do the doctors
> treating him have no access to any of his previous scans,
> xrays or test results at another facility
> Janet UK
>
It depends on the facility. The "urgent care" clinics in my small town
are *affiliated* the local hospital and are connected by computer. They
can access that information if necessary. They're mostly for treating
minor injuries and illnesses. Going to the actual hospital ER costs a
heck of a lot more.

Jill

On 5/3/2021 10:28 AM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
> On Mon, 3 May 2021 14:50:00 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>
>> In article >,
>> says...
>>>
>>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> I missed a few more meals because they were hoping to something that
>>>> involved knocking me out. It got to the point that I didn't mind
>>>> missing meals because they were so small and so horrible I was not
>>>> missing much. Between the lack of food, the missed meals and being
>>>> pumped full od diuretics, I dropped more than 20 pounds over the 6 days
>>>> I was there.
>>>
>>> Correct me if I've missed something but spending 6 days in the hospital
>>> for serious heart problems and they allowed you to lose more than 20
>>> pounds? That doesn't sound like very good health care to me.
>>
>> That's because you're an ignoramus about human biology,
>> Gary. "Diuretics" should have been a clue.
>>
>> https://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/guide-heart-failure
>>
>> One of the effects of heart failure is the accumulation
>> of huge amounts of excess fluid in many parts of the body.
>> Belly, hands. feet ,legs etc fill up with water. Water is
>> heavy.
>>
>> A diuretic is a medication that stimulates the body to
>> reverse the process, by making the kidneys work hard so
>> you pee more. More pee reduces fluid retention = rapid
>> weight loss.
>>
>> Janet.
>
> Depends... water weighs about 8.5 pounds per gallon. Actually most
> water loss is through perspiration and respiration, it's difficult to
> urinate a gallon in a relatively short time.
>
You've obviously not known someone who was hospitalized for a serious
heart condition. Diuretics are prescribed to reduce and prevent fluid
build up around the heart (among other places in the body). My SO has
to take diuretics. He hates it because they make him have to urinate
all the damn time but excess fluid in the pericardium can be extremely
dangerous.

Jill

On 2021-05-03 4:56 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 11:11:17 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:

>> I was tired enough, but after a a couple drinks and a late dinner I
>> was near exhaustion. We had been up early at home, left for the
>> airport around 1 pm. our time and it was almost midnight their time
>> by the time I went to bed.... in a room with white walls, sheer
>> white curtains that covered half the window and at that time of
>> year the sun went down at about 11:30 and was back up an hour
>> later.
>
> The flight over here is pretty boring because it's mostly over a
> great expanse of water. If you're lucky, you might get some
> turbulence or your engine might blow up. That's to drive around because
> it'll be cheaper. Ha ha, that's so weird. always fun. Oddly
> enough, renting a car on this rock would probably cost more than the
> plane ticket. Some people will rent a U-Haul

Car rentals vary a lot in price. Sometimes they are surprisingly
cheap. When I flew with my brothers to Europe back in 1999 our plane
was to fly to Europe, rent a car, drive up to Denmark to do the thing
we had to do there and return to Paris. They wanted a full size Mercedes
and priced it from various cities. All prices involved dropping the car
in Paris. It was $1000 from Hamburg, $1800 from Paris, $2400 from
Amsterdam and $3600 from Copenhagen. He opted for Hamburg.

The last time I went to Denmark we rented a car for a day to go out to
the war graves cemetery in Svino, about 60 miles from Copenhagen. I
picked up the car in the morning and went the cemetery, then up to
Tyllinge to see a friend and back to Copenhagen, about 150 miles total.
Since I got back to the rental office past their closing time, I had to
pay for parking in the lane behind their office, $20. Between the
parking at their office, fuel, mileage and rental, it was over $200. Ouch.




> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5USIHRljCs
>
Could have been worse. A fan blade could have snapped off, sliced
through the engine body and into the cabin.

On 2021-05-03 6:08 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
> On 5/3/2021 10:28 AM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
>
>>> Â*Â* A diuretic is a medication that stimulates the body to
>>> reverse the process, by making the kidneys work hard so
>>> you pee more. More pee reduces fluid retention = rapid
>>> weight loss.
>>>
>>> Â*Â* Janet.
>>
>> Depends... water weighs about 8.5 pounds per gallon.Â* Actually most
>> water loss is through perspiration and respiration, it's difficult to
>> urinate a gallon in a relatively short time.
>>
> You've obviously not known someone who was hospitalized for a serious
> heart condition.Â* Diuretics are prescribed to reduce and prevent fluid
> build up around the heart (among other places in the body).Â* My SO has
> to take diuretics.Â* He hates it because they make him have to urinate
> all the damn time but excess fluid in the pericardium can be extremely
> dangerous.
>

They sure do make you pee a lot. When I was in the hospital I had to pee
into a bottle so the could measure it. They monitored liquid in and
liquid out. I had to go for a cardiogram one day. The procedure should
only have taken about 20 minutes, but it was longer than that because I
had to stop to pee three times during it.

Dave Smith wrote:

> On 2021-05-03 4:56 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 11:11:17 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> > > I was tired enough, but after a a couple drinks and a late dinner
> > > I was near exhaustion. We had been up early at home, left for the
> > > airport around 1 pm. our time and it was almost midnight their
> > > time by the time I went to bed.... in a room with white walls,
> > > sheer white curtains that covered half the window and at that
> > > time of year the sun went down at about 11:30 and was back up an
> > > hour later.
> >
> > The flight over here is pretty boring because it's mostly over a
> > great expanse of water. If you're lucky, you might get some
> > turbulence or your engine might blow up. That's to drive around
> > because it'll be cheaper. Ha ha, that's so weird. always fun. Oddly
> > enough, renting a car on this rock would probably cost more than the
> > plane ticket. Some people will rent a U-Haul
>
> Car rentals vary a lot in price.

I'll keep that in mind. Thanks, Dave!

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Dave Smith wrote:

> On 2021-05-03 6:08 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
> > On 5/3/2021 10:28 AM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
> >
> > > > Â*Â* A diuretic is a medication that stimulates the body to
> > > > reverse the process, by making the kidneys work hard so
> > > > you pee more. More pee reduces fluid retention = rapid
> > > > weight loss.
> > > >
> > > > Â*Â* Janet.
> > >
> > > Depends... water weighs about 8.5 pounds per gallon.Â* Actually
> > > most water loss is through perspiration and respiration, it's
> > > difficult to urinate a gallon in a relatively short time.
> > >
> > You've obviously not known someone who was hospitalized for a
> > serious heart condition.Â* Diuretics are prescribed to reduce and
> > prevent fluid build up around the heart (among other places in the
> > body).Â* My SO has to take diuretics.Â* He hates it because they
> > make him have to urinate all the damn time but excess fluid in the
> > pericardium can be extremely dangerous.
> >
>
> They sure do make you pee a lot. When I was in the hospital I had to
> pee into a bottle so the could measure it. They monitored liquid in
> and liquid out. I had to go for a cardiogram one day. The procedure
> should only have taken about 20 minutes, but it was longer than that
> because I had to stop to pee three times during it.

Keep us posted, Dave.

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On Mon, 3 May 2021 18:08:18 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 5/3/2021 10:28 AM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
>> On Mon, 3 May 2021 14:50:00 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>>
>>> In article >,
>>> says...
>>>>
>>>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>> I missed a few more meals because they were hoping to something that
>>>>> involved knocking me out. It got to the point that I didn't mind
>>>>> missing meals because they were so small and so horrible I was not
>>>>> missing much. Between the lack of food, the missed meals and being
>>>>> pumped full od diuretics, I dropped more than 20 pounds over the 6 days
>>>>> I was there.
>>>>
>>>> Correct me if I've missed something but spending 6 days in the hospital
>>>> for serious heart problems and they allowed you to lose more than 20
>>>> pounds? That doesn't sound like very good health care to me.
>>>
>>> That's because you're an ignoramus about human biology,
>>> Gary. "Diuretics" should have been a clue.
>>>
>>> https://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/guide-heart-failure
>>>
>>> One of the effects of heart failure is the accumulation
>>> of huge amounts of excess fluid in many parts of the body.
>>> Belly, hands. feet ,legs etc fill up with water. Water is
>>> heavy.
>>>
>>> A diuretic is a medication that stimulates the body to
>>> reverse the process, by making the kidneys work hard so
>>> you pee more. More pee reduces fluid retention = rapid
>>> weight loss.
>>>
>>> Janet.
>>
>> Depends... water weighs about 8.5 pounds per gallon. Actually most
>> water loss is through perspiration and respiration, it's difficult to
>> urinate a gallon in a relatively short time.
>>
>You've obviously not known someone who was hospitalized for a serious
>heart condition. Diuretics are prescribed to reduce and prevent fluid
>build up around the heart (among other places in the body). My SO has
>to take diuretics. He hates it because they make him have to urinate
>all the damn time but excess fluid in the pericardium can be extremely
>dangerous.
>
>Jill

That's very different from normal fluid loss. In the case you
describe he would most likely be connected with a catherter from the
bladder than normal urination... the urine would be collected,
measured, and tested. I doubt he'd be peeing into a toilet at will
and flushing away the evidence. There are many medical reasons why
urine is collected, measured, and tested... especially with women
during pregnancy.