Dr. Bruce wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> On 2021-05-03 6:08 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 5/3/2021 10:28 AM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Â*Â* A diuretic is a medication that stimulates the body to
>>>>> reverse the process, by making the kidneys work hard so
>>>>> you pee more. More pee reduces fluid retention = rapid
>>>>> weight loss.
>>>>>
>>>>> Â*Â* Janet.
>>>>
>>>> Depends... water weighs about 8.5 pounds per gallon.Â* Actually
>>>> most water loss is through perspiration and respiration, it's
>>>> difficult to urinate a gallon in a relatively short time.
>>>>
>>> You've obviously not known someone who was hospitalized for a
>>> serious heart condition.Â* Diuretics are prescribed to reduce and
>>> prevent fluid build up around the heart (among other places in the
>>> body).Â* My SO has to take diuretics.Â* He hates it because they
>>> make him have to urinate all the damn time but excess fluid in the
>>> pericardium can be extremely dangerous.
>>>
>>
>> They sure do make you pee a lot. When I was in the hospital I had to
>> pee into a bottle so the could measure it. They monitored liquid in
>> and liquid out. I had to go for a cardiogram one day. The procedure
>> should only have taken about 20 minutes, but it was longer than that
>> because I had to stop to pee three times during it.
>
> Keep us posted, Dave.
>

Keep your nose in his ass, and you'll be the first to know when he
****es, shits or farts.

On 5/3/2021 7:13 PM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
> On Mon, 3 May 2021 18:08:18 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 5/3/2021 10:28 AM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
>>> On Mon, 3 May 2021 14:50:00 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article >,
>>>> says...
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>> I missed a few more meals because they were hoping to something that
>>>>>> involved knocking me out. It got to the point that I didn't mind
>>>>>> missing meals because they were so small and so horrible I was not
>>>>>> missing much. Between the lack of food, the missed meals and being
>>>>>> pumped full od diuretics, I dropped more than 20 pounds over the 6 days
>>>>>> I was there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Correct me if I've missed something but spending 6 days in the hospital
>>>>> for serious heart problems and they allowed you to lose more than 20
>>>>> pounds? That doesn't sound like very good health care to me.
>>>>
>>>> That's because you're an ignoramus about human biology,
>>>> Gary. "Diuretics" should have been a clue.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/guide-heart-failure
>>>>
>>>> One of the effects of heart failure is the accumulation
>>>> of huge amounts of excess fluid in many parts of the body.
>>>> Belly, hands. feet ,legs etc fill up with water. Water is
>>>> heavy.
>>>>
>>>> A diuretic is a medication that stimulates the body to
>>>> reverse the process, by making the kidneys work hard so
>>>> you pee more. More pee reduces fluid retention = rapid
>>>> weight loss.
>>>>
>>>> Janet.
>>>
>>> Depends... water weighs about 8.5 pounds per gallon. Actually most
>>> water loss is through perspiration and respiration, it's difficult to
>>> urinate a gallon in a relatively short time.
>>>
>> You've obviously not known someone who was hospitalized for a serious
>> heart condition. Diuretics are prescribed to reduce and prevent fluid
>> build up around the heart (among other places in the body). My SO has
>> to take diuretics. He hates it because they make him have to urinate
>> all the damn time but excess fluid in the pericardium can be extremely
>> dangerous.
>>
>> Jill
>
> That's very different from normal fluid loss. In the case you
> describe he would most likely be connected with a catherter from the
> bladder than normal urination... the urine would be collected,
> measured, and tested. I doubt he'd be peeing into a toilet at will
> and flushing away the evidence.

Evidence of what? Of course he had a catheter when he was in the
hospital. They gave him diuretics. He still is supposed to take them
every few days to prevent more fluid rentention around the heart and his
extremities. You should read up on the subject.

He hates to take them because he has to urinate a lot more frequently.
Well, would you rather take a **** more often or wind up back in the
hospital or dead?

> There are many medical reasons why
> urine is collected, measured, and tested...

Uh huh. Most people don't collect it at home after they've been
released from the hospital.

Jill

On 5/3/2021 8:34 PM, jmcquown wrote:

>>> You've obviously not known someone who was hospitalized for a serious
>>> heart condition.Â* Diuretics are prescribed to reduce and prevent fluid
>>> build up around the heart (among other places in the body).Â* My SO has
>>> to take diuretics.Â* He hates it because they make him have to urinate
>>> all the damn time but excess fluid in the pericardium can be extremely
>>> dangerous.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> That's very different from normal fluid loss.Â* In the case you
>> describe he would most likely be connected with a catherter from the
>> bladder than normal urination... the urine would be collected,
>> measured, and tested.Â* I doubt he'd be peeing into a toilet at will
>> and flushing away the evidence.
>
> Evidence of what?Â* Of course he had a catheter when he was in the
> hospital.Â* They gave him diuretics.Â* He still is supposed to take them
> every few days to prevent more fluid rentention around the heart and his
> extremities.Â* You should read up on the subject.

> Jill

Perhaps he was training to be an astronaut. They pee every two hours
since in zero gravity they don't get the feeling normally and can fill
the bladder causing other problems. The urethra can get blocked.

Once you get older you pee more often anyway. On a long road trip my
doctor says to stop every 1 1/2 hours to prevent DVTs. Yeah, no problem.

On 2021-05-03 7:13 p.m., Sheldon Martin wrote:
> On Mon, 3 May 2021 18:08:18 -0400, jmcquown >

>> You've obviously not known someone who was hospitalized for a serious
>> heart condition. Diuretics are prescribed to reduce and prevent fluid
>> build up around the heart (among other places in the body). My SO has
>> to take diuretics. He hates it because they make him have to urinate
>> all the damn time but excess fluid in the pericardium can be extremely
>> dangerous.
>>
>> Jill
>
> That's very different from normal fluid loss. In the case you
> describe he would most likely be connected with a catherter from the
> bladder than normal urination... the urine would be collected,
> measured, and tested. I doubt he'd be peeing into a toilet at will
> and flushing away the evidence. There are many medical reasons why
> urine is collected, measured, and tested... especially with women
> during pregnancy.
>

They gave me a male urinal to pee into. Open the flap, pee into the
jog and close the lid. Then leave it there for the nurse to measure and
empty every couple hours.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 5/3/2021 8:34 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>
>>>> You've obviously not known someone who was hospitalized for a
>>>> serious
>>>> heart condition.Â* Diuretics are prescribed to reduce and
>>>> prevent fluid
>>>> build up around the heart (among other places in the body).Â
>>>> My SO has
>>>> to take diuretics.Â* He hates it because they make him have to
>>>> urinate
>>>> all the damn time but excess fluid in the pericardium can be
>>>> extremely
>>>> dangerous.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>> That's very different from normal fluid loss.Â* In the case you
>>> describe he would most likely be connected with a catherter from
>>> the
>>> bladder than normal urination... the urine would be collected,
>>> measured, and tested.Â* I doubt he'd be peeing into a toilet at
>>> will
>>> and flushing away the evidence.
>>
>> Evidence of what?Â* Of course he had a catheter when he was in
>> the hospital.Â* They gave him diuretics.Â* He still is supposed
>> to take them every few days to prevent more fluid rentention
>> around the heart and his extremities.Â* You should read up on the
>> subject.
>
>> Jill
>
> Perhaps he was training to be an astronaut.* They pee every two
> hours since in zero gravity they don't get the feeling normally and
> can fill the bladder causing other problems.* The urethra can get
> blocked.
>
> Once you get older you pee more often anyway.* On a long road trip
> my doctor says to stop every 1 1/2 hours to prevent DVTs.* Yeah, no
> problem.

Be sure to save your urine for Dr. Popeye.

On Mon, 3 May 2021 04:08:57 -0400, Dr Bruce > wrote:

>On 5/3/2021 2:16 AM, Jim Lahey wrote:
>> On Sat, 1 May 2021 18:48:13 -0400, Dr Bruce > wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/1/2021 6:45 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>> On 01/05/2021 19:08, Dr Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>> Haha, your wife holidays away from you. Tells us all we need to
>>>>>>> know........
>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I did not write that!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Greg Sorrow did.
>>>>
>>>> ====
>>>>
>>>> * Ahhhh thank you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> You're quite welcome, he changes nyms almost as often
>>> as underwear.
>>
>> If you say so, 'Bruce' AKA 'Brazza' AKA 'Ron' . That's 3 nyms you've
>> used this week alone. Probably more I dont know about.
>>
>Hi Greg.

Yeah, you hypocrite.

jmcquown wrote:
> US Janet wrote:

>> On Sun, 2 May 2021 09:11:34 -0400, Gary wrote:
>>> You got a vaccine in early November? "Immediately after the national
>>> election?"
>>>
>>>
>> Excuse my imprecise verbage. Inauguration Day. I'm getting old and
>> the precise words don't always flow out of my fingers as they used to.
>> Mea Culpa (
>> Janet US
>>
> Don't apologise. He's picking at nits.

No, I wasn't. She made a statement and I asked about it.

S Viemeister wrote:

> On 30/04/2021 12:21, Dr Bruce wrote:
> > On 4/30/2021 7:03 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> > > I am pleased you've had both vaccines now and like us, had no bad
> > > affter effects)
> > >
> > > Do you get that badge to prove you've had them??Â* We don't get
> > > anything .. except the injection)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > You get a card, dimmy.
>
> Perhaps you do, dimmy.
>
> Ophelia is in Scotland, as am I - no cards were provided when we had
> our vaccinations.

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dsi1 wrote:

> On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 11:11:17 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> > On 2021-05-02 4:19 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > > On 5/2/2021 3:14 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > >> If I could teleport, I wouldn't mind traveling. The thought of
> > being >> cooped up in an aluminum tube with a couple hundred
> > strangers >> for half a day doesn't appeal one little bit.
> > >>
> > >> Cindy Hamilton
> > >>
> > >
> > > Many flights to Europe from the east leave about dinner time.
> > > Order a second drink or wine with dinner and then sleep the rest
> > > of the way and arrive in the morning.
> > >
> > > To make it worthwhile you have to go for at least 10 to 14 days.
> > > IMO, well worth doing at least once in your life.
> > >
> > > Even seeing other parts of the US is good too. I've know people
> > > that never ventured 50 miles from where they were born.
> > >
> > > I run up and down the east coast a few times a year but that is
> > > not seeing anything but highway to my destination in 18 hours. On
> > > a vacation to see things that trip should be 5 days or more as it
> > > has been in the past.
> > I love flying. I love the take off. I love the landing, I love
> > looking out the window and watching the world go by. I don't like
> > the waiting. For me to fly to Europe these days I have to drive to
> > Toronto, which will take a minimum hour and a half, but often much
> > more. Then you have to be there 2-3 hours early. Then you board and
> > sit there waiting to take off.
> >
> > My last trip over was 12 years ago. We left in good time to account
> > for traffic, so of course there were no delays and we ended up at
> > the airport 4 hours early. We departed in the evening and arrived
> > as Schipol at about 5am and had a 4 hour layover, then on to
> > Tallinn Estonia, arriving there around noon. Our niece's husband
> > picked us up and drove us to their apartment where we caught up
> > with our niece while he went back to work.
> >
> > I was tired enough, but after a a couple drinks and a late dinner I
> > was near exhaustion. We had been up early at home, left for the
> > airport around 1 pm. our time and it was almost midnight their time
> > by the time I went to bed.... in a room with white walls, sheer
> > white curtains that covered half the window and at that time of
> > year the sun went down at about 11:30 and was back up an hour later.
>
> The flight over here is pretty boring because it's mostly over a
> great expanse of water. If you're lucky, you might get some
> turbulence or your engine might blow up. That's always fun. Oddly
> enough, renting a car on this rock would probably cost more than the
> plane ticket. Some people will rent a U-Haul to drive around because
> it'll be cheaper. Ha ha, that's so weird.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5USIHRljCs

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Graham wrote:

> On 2021-05-03 7:21 a.m., Dave Smith wrote:
> > On 2021-05-03 12:10 a.m., Graham wrote:
> > > On 2021-05-02 6:07 p.m., Dave Smith wrote:
> >
> > > > We were a little upset a couple months ago when, after a lock
> > > > down, we were able to open up, but Toronto and the GTA were
> > > > still locked down. We knew the GTA crowd would come down here
> > > > to show and party..... and bring the virus with them. That is
> > > > basically what happened.
> > > >
> > > Mainly the cities and larger towns. Of course the rural areas
> > > claim that they shouldn't suffer lockdowns etc as they don't
> > > have many cases but on a per capita basis, they do. ****ing
> > > farmers, always whining!!!
> >
> >
> > Our infection rates had dropped way, way down and they eased
> > restrictions, but Toronto,Peel and York remained locked down.Â* Just
> > as many expected, the Toronto area people headed out of town to
> > shop and play. Within a short time we ended up back in lock down.
> >
> >
> > I know what you mean about farmers. There is no such thing as a
> > good year for them. If the weather is perfect and there is a good
> > crop the price is low.Â* Then there are things like the Canada
> > Wheat Board. That had been set up to protect farmers from being
> > ripped up by the big food companies.Â* It bought all their wheat
> > and paid them for it, then the CWB stored it and marketed it for
> > them. It worked great when prices were down and the farmers
> > couldn't sell it themselves. When prices were up and the market
> > was hot they bitched and whined about theÂ* wheat board being some
> > sort of government Satan preventing them from profitting on their
> > own produce.
>
> They did a poll and the majority of farmers wanted to maintain the
> CWB. However, that mean-sprited ******* of a PM was against it on
> principle so he nixed it.

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Janet wrote:

> In article <8f0d0cd6-ae33-43a1-bddf-
> >,
> says...
> >
> > On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 10:05:45 AM UTC-4, Janet wrote:
> > > In article >,
> > > says...
> > > >
> > > > On 4/30/2021 11:08 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> > > > > On 30/04/2021 15:43, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > > >> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 10:26:18 AM UTC-4, Ophelia
> > > > wrote: >>
> > > > >>>> Badges? Badges? We don't need no steenking badges!
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> Heh! At we didn't get anything except a leaflet of
> > > > information. >>> The details will have gone to our doctors
> > > > though! >>
> > > > >> Americans don't necessarily have a doctor. I was assigned
> > > > one >> by my insurance a couple of years ago, but I've never
> > > > seen him. >> I was just about to find a different one (closer
> > > > to my home), but >> then COVID hit so I hunkered down.
> > > >
> > > > The last few times I've needed a doctor, I goto one of those
> > > > minor emergency places. "Doctors on Call" was one. They are
> > > > open 7 days a week and no appointments necessary. First come,
> > > > first serve.
> > > >
> > > > They charge the same as regular doctors without waiting for an
> > > > appointment.
> > >
> > > But do they have access to the patient's medical
> > > history and records?
> >
> > People who don't have a GP don't have a medical history, as such.
>
> So when Gary goes to an emergency place, do the doctors
> treating him have no access to any of his previous scans,
> xrays or test results at another facility
>
> > My medical history for the last 40 years is a series of sporadic
> > blood panels for glucose, A1C, cholesterol (and it's buddies) that
> > are consistently unremarkable. No illnesses, accidents, or
> > hospital visits.
> > > My GP doctor has online access to my medical records
> > > going back decades, either at GP or from every hospital
> > > that's treated me.
> > > I don't get billed for any of my consults or treatments.
> >
> > You pay for them, just not on a per-visit basis.
>
> Nor on any medical basis at all. I've no idea what my
> lifetime healthcare cost.
>
> Janet UK

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Ophelia wrote:

> On 30/04/2021 15:43, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 10:26:18 AM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:
> >
> > > > Badges? Badges? We don't need no steenking badges!
> >
> > > Heh! At we didn't get anything except a leaflet of information.
> > > The details will have gone to our doctors though!
> >
> > Americans don't necessarily have a doctor. I was assigned one
> > by my insurance a couple of years ago, but I've never seen him.
> > I was just about to find a different one (closer to my home), but
> > then COVID hit so I hunkered down.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
>
> ====
>
> Oh!! I didn't know that!! Thank you!

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Donald Shenkenberger wrote:

> On 4/30/2021 5:22 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> > When the pandemic lockdowns started last year and masks became
> > mandatory, I saw a younger woman in the grocery store with a
> > sticker on her shirt that said "Exempt from Wearing a Mask".
> >
> You didn't know it but you had a "kick me" sticker
> on your back, and here you thought it was your looks.

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Hank Rogers wrote:

> Dr. Bruce wrote:
> > Dave Smith wrote:
> >
> > > On 2021-05-03 6:08 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
> > > > On 5/3/2021 10:28 AM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > Â*Â* A diuretic is a medication that stimulates the body to
> > > > > > reverse the process, by making the kidneys work hard so
> > > > > > you pee more. More pee reduces fluid retention = rapid
> > > > > > weight loss.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Â*Â* Janet.
> > > > >
> > > > > Depends... water weighs about 8.5 pounds per gallon.Â*
> > > > > Actually most water loss is through perspiration and
> > > > > respiration, it's difficult to urinate a gallon in a
> > > > > relatively short time.
> > > > >
> > > > You've obviously not known someone who was hospitalized for a
> > > > serious heart condition.Â* Diuretics are prescribed to reduce
> > > > and prevent fluid build up around the heart (among other
> > > > places in the body).Â* My SO has to take diuretics.Â* He hates
> > > > it because they make him have to urinate all the damn time but
> > > > excess fluid in the pericardium can be extremely dangerous.
> > > >
> > >
> > > They sure do make you pee a lot. When I was in the hospital I had
> > > to pee into a bottle so the could measure it. They monitored
> > > liquid in and liquid out. I had to go for a cardiogram one day.
> > > The procedure should only have taken about 20 minutes, but it was
> > > longer than that because I had to stop to pee three times during
> > > it.
> >
> > Keep us posted, Dave.
> >
>
> Keep your nose in his ass, and you'll be the first to know when he
> ****es, shits or farts.

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Sheldon Martin wrote:

> On Mon, 3 May 2021 18:08:18 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
> > On 5/3/2021 10:28 AM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
> >> On Mon, 3 May 2021 14:50:00 +0100, Janet > wrote:
> >>
> >>> In article >,
> >>> says...
> > > > >
> >>>> Dave Smith wrote:
> >>>>> I missed a few more meals because they were hoping to something
> that >>>>> involved knocking me out. It got to the point that I
> didn't mind >>>>> missing meals because they were so small and so
> horrible I was not >>>>> missing much. Between the lack of food, the
> missed meals and being >>>>> pumped full od diuretics, I dropped more
> than 20 pounds over the 6 days >>>>> I was there.
> > > > >
> >>>> Correct me if I've missed something but spending 6 days in the
> hospital >>>> for serious heart problems and they allowed you to lose
> more than 20 >>>> pounds? That doesn't sound like very good health
> care to me.
> > > >
> >>> That's because you're an ignoramus about human biology,
> >>> Gary. "Diuretics" should have been a clue.
> > > >
> >>> https://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/guide-heart-failure
> > > >
> >>> One of the effects of heart failure is the accumulation
> >>> of huge amounts of excess fluid in many parts of the body.
> >>> Belly, hands. feet ,legs etc fill up with water. Water is
> >>> heavy.
> > > >
> >>> A diuretic is a medication that stimulates the body to
> >>> reverse the process, by making the kidneys work hard so
> >>> you pee more. More pee reduces fluid retention = rapid
> >>> weight loss.
> > > >
> >>> Janet.
> >>
> >> Depends... water weighs about 8.5 pounds per gallon. Actually most
> >> water loss is through perspiration and respiration, it's difficult
> to >> urinate a gallon in a relatively short time.
> >>
> > You've obviously not known someone who was hospitalized for a
> > serious heart condition. Diuretics are prescribed to reduce and
> > prevent fluid build up around the heart (among other places in the
> > body). My SO has to take diuretics. He hates it because they make
> > him have to urinate all the damn time but excess fluid in the
> > pericardium can be extremely dangerous.
> >
> > Jill
>
> That's very different from normal fluid loss. In the case you
> describe he would most likely be connected with a catherter from the
> bladder than normal urination... the urine would be collected,
> measured, and tested. I doubt he'd be peeing into a toilet at will
> and flushing away the evidence. There are many medical reasons why
> urine is collected, measured, and tested... especially with women
> during pregnancy.

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