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My $1200 Frigidaire Oven has a plastic sheet over the control "push buttons" which has now unglued and is floating behind the metal frame.
This plastic sheet has the lettering for the setting for temperature, timer, etc. and covers the settings buttons.

No way do I trust the "warp speed" production of vaccine batches which require precise mixture of ingredients.
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On 4/29/2021 7:57 PM, Geoff Rove wrote:
> My $1200 Frigidaire Oven has a plastic sheet over the control "push buttons" which has now unglued and is floating behind the metal frame.
> This plastic sheet has the lettering for the setting for temperature, timer, etc. and covers the settings buttons.
>
> No way do I trust the "warp speed" production of vaccine batches which require precise mixture of ingredients.
>


Wow, I'd agree if Frigidaire was making the vaccines but to compare a
mediocre appliance maker to a pharmaceutical company is just showing
your ignorance. I've been in both plants and have seen the differences.

Frigidaire has been a customer for about 12 years, some pharmaceutical
companies much longer. They have very high standards and don't use
household appliances for batching.
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On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 16:57:19 -0700 (PDT), Geoff Rove wrote:

> My $1200 Frigidaire Oven has a plastic sheet over the control
> "push buttons" which has now unglued and is floating behind the
> metal frame. This plastic sheet has the lettering for the setting
> for temperature, timer, etc. and covers the settings buttons.


I have the same brand the same oven/range with the plastic sheet.
Has it melted and warped over the last 13 years? Yes. Is it still
functional? Yes. It front the heat coming up out the oven vent
directly underneath it.

https://i.postimg.cc/pXF6ZQMT/Ocen-Front.jpg

> No way do I trust the "warp speed" production of vaccine batches
> which require precise mixture of ingredients.


Vaccines don't use a "little of this" and a "little of that" (except
eye of newt). It doesn't work that way.

The Frigidaire vaccine hasn't even reached Stage 2 trials yet and is
at least 7 months away from any emergency approval.

So what the **** is your point? That's you're not gonna vaccinated
and put everybody else in your vicinity art risk?

Dumbass.

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On 4/29/2021 7:57 PM, Geoff Rove wrote:
> My $1200 Frigidaire Oven has a plastic sheet over the control "push buttons" which has now unglued and is floating behind the metal frame.
> This plastic sheet has the lettering for the setting for temperature, timer, etc. and covers the settings buttons.
>
> No way do I trust the "warp speed" production of vaccine batches which require precise mixture of ingredients.


Get a better stove. I have a 1950's Chambers oven, back when they made
things the proper way in the USA; built to last.
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On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 12:00:43 AM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote:
> On 4/29/2021 7:57 PM, Geoff Rove wrote:
> > My $1200 Frigidaire Oven has a plastic sheet over the control "push buttons" which has now unglued and is floating behind the metal frame.
> > This plastic sheet has the lettering for the setting for temperature, timer, etc. and covers the settings buttons.
> >
> > No way do I trust the "warp speed" production of vaccine batches which require precise mixture of ingredients.

> Get a better stove. I have a 1950's Chambers oven, back when they made
> things the proper way in the USA; built to last.


Two words: self cleaning.

I'll never use oven cleaner again.

Cindy Hamilton


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On 4/29/2021 4:57 PM, Geoff Rove wrote:
> My $1200 Frigidaire Oven has a plastic sheet over the control "push buttons" which has now unglued and is floating behind the metal frame.
> This plastic sheet has the lettering for the setting for temperature, timer, etc. and covers the settings buttons.
>
> No way do I trust the "warp speed" production of vaccine batches which require precise mixture of ingredients.
>



A frigid oven? That should have been your tip off right there.
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On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 7:36:22 AM UTC-5, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> On 4/29/2021 4:57 PM, Geoff Rove wrote:
> > My $1200 Frigidaire Oven has a plastic sheet over the control "push buttons" which has now unglued and is floating behind the metal frame.
> > This plastic sheet has the lettering for the setting for temperature, timer, etc. and covers the settings buttons.
> >
> > No way do I trust the "warp speed" production of vaccine batches which require precise mixture of ingredients.
> >

> A frigid oven? That should have been your tip off right there.
>

My new appliance (plastic dinosaur) was made in Indonesia.
You really want one. You might not know it yet, but you want
one. Unless you already own a misting fan, or live where it
doesn't get hot, you want one.
https://www.directtoolsoutlet.com/Pr...g-Fan/p/PMF01B
They're only $50 w/o the battery, and if you don't already have
RYOBI battery tools, you want those too. My God I'm looking
forward to camping season this year.

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On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 9:02:57 AM UTC-4, wrote:
> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 7:36:22 AM UTC-5, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> > On 4/29/2021 4:57 PM, Geoff Rove wrote:
> > > My $1200 Frigidaire Oven has a plastic sheet over the control "push buttons" which has now unglued and is floating behind the metal frame.
> > > This plastic sheet has the lettering for the setting for temperature, timer, etc. and covers the settings buttons.
> > >
> > > No way do I trust the "warp speed" production of vaccine batches which require precise mixture of ingredients.
> > >

> > A frigid oven? That should have been your tip off right there.
> >

> My new appliance (plastic dinosaur) was made in Indonesia.
> You really want one. You might not know it yet, but you want
> one. Unless you already own a misting fan, or live where it
> doesn't get hot, you want one.
> https://www.directtoolsoutlet.com/Pr...g-Fan/p/PMF01B
> They're only $50 w/o the battery, and if you don't already have
> RYOBI battery tools, you want those too. My God I'm looking
> forward to camping season this year.


I simply stay indoors, in the central air, when it's too hot. If the lawn
needs to be mowed, I wet down a long-sleeved, light-colored shirt and
wear it while I race around the yard at 6 mph.

Cindy Hamilton
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On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 3:02:57 AM UTC-10, wrote:
> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 7:36:22 AM UTC-5, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> > On 4/29/2021 4:57 PM, Geoff Rove wrote:
> > > My $1200 Frigidaire Oven has a plastic sheet over the control "push buttons" which has now unglued and is floating behind the metal frame.
> > > This plastic sheet has the lettering for the setting for temperature, timer, etc. and covers the settings buttons.
> > >
> > > No way do I trust the "warp speed" production of vaccine batches which require precise mixture of ingredients.
> > >

> > A frigid oven? That should have been your tip off right there.
> >

> My new appliance (plastic dinosaur) was made in Indonesia.
> You really want one. You might not know it yet, but you want
> one. Unless you already own a misting fan, or live where it
> doesn't get hot, you want one.
> https://www.directtoolsoutlet.com/Pr...g-Fan/p/PMF01B
> They're only $50 w/o the battery, and if you don't already have
> RYOBI battery tools, you want those too. My God I'm looking
> forward to camping season this year.
>
> --Bryan


I got a guitar that's made in Vietnam by a Korean company. That's so weird. The guitar was dirt cheap and just plays fine and dandy out of the box. How often does that happen? Never. The guitar is so easy and comfortable to play that it inspires me to play better. Guitars are like that. Sometimes they make you play better than you ought to. Guitars like that typically cost thousands of dollars, not a couple of hundred. How often does that happen? Never.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdPzsNhFLVo
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> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 3:02:57 AM UTC-10, wrote:
>> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 7:36:22 AM UTC-5, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>>> On 4/29/2021 4:57 PM, Geoff Rove wrote:
>>>> My $1200 Frigidaire Oven has a plastic sheet over the control "push buttons" which has now unglued and is floating behind the metal frame.
>>>> This plastic sheet has the lettering for the setting for temperature, timer, etc. and covers the settings buttons.
>>>>
>>>> No way do I trust the "warp speed" production of vaccine batches which require precise mixture of ingredients.
>>>>
>>> A frigid oven? That should have been your tip off right there.
>>>

>> My new appliance (plastic dinosaur) was made in Indonesia.
>> You really want one. You might not know it yet, but you want
>> one. Unless you already own a misting fan, or live where it
>> doesn't get hot, you want one.
>> https://www.directtoolsoutlet.com/Pr...g-Fan/p/PMF01B
>> They're only $50 w/o the battery, and if you don't already have
>> RYOBI battery tools, you want those too. My God I'm looking
>> forward to camping season this year.
>>
>> --Bryan

>
> I got a guitar that's made in Vietnam by a Korean company. That's so weird. The guitar was dirt cheap and just plays fine and dandy out of the box. How often does that happen? Never. The guitar is so easy and comfortable to play that it inspires me to play better. Guitars are like that. Sometimes they make you play better than you ought to. Guitars like that typically cost thousands of dollars, not a couple of hundred. How often does that happen? Never.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdPzsNhFLVo
>


Be careful! Djembes are like that too, and you know what they can
cause.

Gitars might be similar.




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On 4/30/2021 5:07 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 12:00:43 AM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote:
>> On 4/29/2021 7:57 PM, Geoff Rove wrote:
>>> My $1200 Frigidaire Oven has a plastic sheet over the control "push buttons" which has now unglued and is floating behind the metal frame.
>>> This plastic sheet has the lettering for the setting for temperature, timer, etc. and covers the settings buttons.
>>>
>>> No way do I trust the "warp speed" production of vaccine batches which require precise mixture of ingredients.

>> Get a better stove. I have a 1950's Chambers oven, back when they made
>> things the proper way in the USA; built to last.

>
> Two words: self cleaning.
>
> I'll never use oven cleaner again.
>
> Cindy Hamilton


I'll assume that means you use an electric oven. I'd lose my mind if I
had to switch back to an electric cook top. I much prefer a gas range.

Electric self clean ovens use a ton of electricity, and can start a
fire. Not to mention, it kills the element much faster than normal oven
use.

I wipe my oven quickly while still warm after using, and I've never had
an issue with built up gunk or garbage; my oven is always clean. You
probably wouldn't like my oven... it's match lit.
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On 4/30/2021 8:36 AM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> On 4/29/2021 4:57 PM, Geoff Rove wrote:
>> My $1200 Frigidaire Oven has a plastic sheet over the control "push
>> buttons" which has now unglued and is floating behind the metal frame.
>> This plastic sheet has the lettering for the setting for temperature,
>> timer, etc. and covers the settings buttons.
>>
>> No way do I trust the "warp speed" production of vaccine batches which
>> require precise mixture of ingredients.
>>

>
>
> A frigid oven? That should have been your tip off right there.


I've always wanted an older Frigidaire oven and Hotpoint refrigerator...
I thought that would be amusing... lol
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On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 3:35:35 PM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote:
> On 4/30/2021 5:07 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 12:00:43 AM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote:
> >> On 4/29/2021 7:57 PM, Geoff Rove wrote:
> >>> My $1200 Frigidaire Oven has a plastic sheet over the control "push buttons" which has now unglued and is floating behind the metal frame.
> >>> This plastic sheet has the lettering for the setting for temperature, timer, etc. and covers the settings buttons.
> >>>
> >>> No way do I trust the "warp speed" production of vaccine batches which require precise mixture of ingredients.
> >> Get a better stove. I have a 1950's Chambers oven, back when they made
> >> things the proper way in the USA; built to last.

> >
> > Two words: self cleaning.
> >
> > I'll never use oven cleaner again.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton

> I'll assume that means you use an electric oven.


No, I have a gas range. They've had self-cleaning gas ovens for decades.
I bought my first one in 1990.

> I'd lose my mind if I
> had to switch back to an electric cook top. I much prefer a gas range.
>
> Electric self clean ovens use a ton of electricity, and can start a
> fire. Not to mention, it kills the element much faster than normal oven
> use.
>
> I wipe my oven quickly while still warm after using, and I've never had
> an issue with built up gunk or garbage; my oven is always clean. You
> probably wouldn't like my oven... it's match lit.


My mother had a match-lit oven when I was a kid. I don't see the point in
this day and age.

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On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 15:35:35 -0400, Michael Trew wrote:

> On 4/30/2021 5:07 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 12:00:43 AM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote:
>>> On 4/29/2021 7:57 PM, Geoff Rove wrote:
>>>> My $1200 Frigidaire Oven has a plastic sheet over the control "push buttons" which has now unglued and is floating behind the metal frame.
>>>> This plastic sheet has the lettering for the setting for temperature, timer, etc. and covers the settings buttons.
>>>>
>>>> No way do I trust the "warp speed" production of vaccine batches which require precise mixture of ingredients.
>>> Get a better stove. I have a 1950's Chambers oven, back when they made
>>> things the proper way in the USA; built to last.

>>
>> Two words: self cleaning.
>>
>> I'll never use oven cleaner again.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton

>
> I'll assume that means you use an electric oven. I'd lose my mind if I
> had to switch back to an electric cook top. I much prefer a gas range.


My Frigidaire gas oven is self-cleaning.

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On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 06:14:50 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> I simply stay indoors, in the central air, when it's too hot. If the lawn
> needs to be mowed, I wet down a long-sleeved, light-colored shirt and
> wear it while I race around the yard at 6 mph.


Picturing you in a wet T-Shirt just isn't doing it for me right now.
Maybe tomorrow..

-sw


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On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 4:01:32 PM UTC-4, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 06:14:50 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> > I simply stay indoors, in the central air, when it's too hot. If the lawn
> > needs to be mowed, I wet down a long-sleeved, light-colored shirt and
> > wear it while I race around the yard at 6 mph.

> Picturing you in a wet T-Shirt just isn't doing it for me right now.
> Maybe tomorrow..


Not a wet t-shirt. A wet men's dress shirt over a t-shirt. There's nothing
to see, really.

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On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 11:17:41 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 wrote:

> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 3:02:57 AM UTC-10, wrote:
>> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 7:36:22 AM UTC-5, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>>> On 4/29/2021 4:57 PM, Geoff Rove wrote:
>>> > My $1200 Frigidaire Oven has a plastic sheet over the control "push buttons" which has now unglued and is floating behind the metal frame.
>>> > This plastic sheet has the lettering for the setting for temperature, timer, etc. and covers the settings buttons.
>>> >
>>> > No way do I trust the "warp speed" production of vaccine batches which require precise mixture of ingredients.
>>> >
>>> A frigid oven? That should have been your tip off right there.
>>>

>> My new appliance (plastic dinosaur) was made in Indonesia.
>> You really want one. You might not know it yet, but you want
>> one. Unless you already own a misting fan, or live where it
>> doesn't get hot, you want one.
>> https://www.directtoolsoutlet.com/Pr...g-Fan/p/PMF01B
>> They're only $50 w/o the battery, and if you don't already have
>> RYOBI battery tools, you want those too. My God I'm looking
>> forward to camping season this year.

>
> I got a guitar that's made in Vietnam by a Korean company.


From plastic oven control pads, to vaccines, to Indonesian camping
fans, to Korean guitars all in three posts with absolutely nothing
connecting any of them to each other.

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Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 4:01:32 PM UTC-4, Sqwertz wrote:
> > On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 06:14:50 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > > I simply stay indoors, in the central air, when it's too hot. If
> > > the lawn needs to be mowed, I wet down a long-sleeved,
> > > light-colored shirt and wear it while I race around the yard at 6
> > > mph.

> > Picturing you in a wet T-Shirt just isn't doing it for me right
> > now. Maybe tomorrow..

>
> Not a wet t-shirt. A wet men's dress shirt over a t-shirt. There's
> nothing to see, really.
>
> Cindy Hamilton


You just burst Sqwertz' bubble.

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Sqwertz wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 15:35:35 -0400, Michael Trew wrote:
>
>> On 4/30/2021 5:07 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 12:00:43 AM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote:
>>>> On 4/29/2021 7:57 PM, Geoff Rove wrote:
>>>>> My $1200 Frigidaire Oven has a plastic sheet over the control "push buttons" which has now unglued and is floating behind the metal frame.
>>>>> This plastic sheet has the lettering for the setting for temperature, timer, etc. and covers the settings buttons.
>>>>>
>>>>> No way do I trust the "warp speed" production of vaccine batches which require precise mixture of ingredients.
>>>> Get a better stove. I have a 1950's Chambers oven, back when they made
>>>> things the proper way in the USA; built to last.
>>>
>>> Two words: self cleaning.
>>>
>>> I'll never use oven cleaner again.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton

>>
>> I'll assume that means you use an electric oven. I'd lose my mind if I
>> had to switch back to an electric cook top. I much prefer a gas range.

>
> My Frigidaire gas oven is self-cleaning.
>
> -sw
>


I farted.


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Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 4:01:32 PM UTC-4, Sqwertz wrote:
>> On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 06:14:50 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>>> I simply stay indoors, in the central air, when it's too hot. If the lawn
>>> needs to be mowed, I wet down a long-sleeved, light-colored shirt and
>>> wear it while I race around the yard at 6 mph.

>> Picturing you in a wet T-Shirt just isn't doing it for me right now.
>> Maybe tomorrow..

>
> Not a wet t-shirt. A wet men's dress shirt over a t-shirt. There's nothing
> to see, really.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>


He may be getting like Popeye. Next yoose will have enormous
gigantic boosoms.




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Dr. Bruce wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 4:01:32 PM UTC-4, Sqwertz wrote:
>>> On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 06:14:50 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>
>>>> I simply stay indoors, in the central air, when it's too hot. If
>>>> the lawn needs to be mowed, I wet down a long-sleeved,
>>>> light-colored shirt and wear it while I race around the yard at 6
>>>> mph.
>>> Picturing you in a wet T-Shirt just isn't doing it for me right
>>> now. Maybe tomorrow..

>>
>> Not a wet t-shirt. A wet men's dress shirt over a t-shirt. There's
>> nothing to see, really.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton

>
> You just burst Sqwertz' bubble.
>


You just sniffed TWO people's butt holes. A double ... congrats doctor!

You may click your wooden heels master.






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Sqwertz wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 11:17:41 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 wrote:
>
>> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 3:02:57 AM UTC-10, wrote:
>>> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 7:36:22 AM UTC-5, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>>>> On 4/29/2021 4:57 PM, Geoff Rove wrote:
>>>>> My $1200 Frigidaire Oven has a plastic sheet over the control "push buttons" which has now unglued and is floating behind the metal frame.
>>>>> This plastic sheet has the lettering for the setting for temperature, timer, etc. and covers the settings buttons.
>>>>>
>>>>> No way do I trust the "warp speed" production of vaccine batches which require precise mixture of ingredients.
>>>>>
>>>> A frigid oven? That should have been your tip off right there.
>>>>
>>> My new appliance (plastic dinosaur) was made in Indonesia.
>>> You really want one. You might not know it yet, but you want
>>> one. Unless you already own a misting fan, or live where it
>>> doesn't get hot, you want one.
>>> https://www.directtoolsoutlet.com/Pr...g-Fan/p/PMF01B
>>> They're only $50 w/o the battery, and if you don't already have
>>> RYOBI battery tools, you want those too. My God I'm looking
>>> forward to camping season this year.

>>
>> I got a guitar that's made in Vietnam by a Korean company.

>
> From plastic oven control pads, to vaccines, to Indonesian camping
> fans, to Korean guitars all in three posts with absolutely nothing
> connecting any of them to each other.
>
> -sw
>


I was in san antonio for a while. There were many dwarfs there.
Circus people, and they swore by vietnamese guitars, and ate mostly
asian food.

Hoo boy, those dinks were on da rock.


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Geoff Rove wrote:

> My $1200 Frigidaire Oven has a plastic sheet over the control "push
> buttons" which has now unglued and is floating behind the metal
> frame. This plastic sheet has the lettering for the setting for
> temperature, timer, etc. and covers the settings buttons.
>
> No way do I trust the "warp speed" production of vaccine batches
> which require precise mixture of ingredients.


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On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 2:36:16 PM UTC-5, Michael Trew wrote:
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> I've always wanted an older Frigidaire oven and Hotpoint refrigerator...
> I thought that would be amusing... lol
>

We had a Hotpoint refrigerator when I was a child. My mom won a thousand
dollars worth of furniture in 1953 or 54 and she could choose whatever she
wanted. The refrigerator and a Hotpoint gas water heater were two of the
things she chose. Until that refrigerator died many years later, defrosting the
freezer was the one chore my dad did every single Saturday.
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On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 3:16:55 PM UTC-5, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 11:17:41 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 wrote:
>
> > On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 3:02:57 AM UTC-10, wrote:
> >> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 7:36:22 AM UTC-5, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> >>> On 4/29/2021 4:57 PM, Geoff Rove wrote:
> >>> > My $1200 Frigidaire Oven has a plastic sheet over the control "push buttons" which has now unglued and is floating behind the metal frame.
> >>> > This plastic sheet has the lettering for the setting for temperature, timer, etc. and covers the settings buttons.
> >>> >
> >>> > No way do I trust the "warp speed" production of vaccine batches which require precise mixture of ingredients.
> >>> >
> >>> A frigid oven? That should have been your tip off right there.
> >>>
> >> My new appliance (plastic dinosaur) was made in Indonesia.
> >> You really want one. You might not know it yet, but you want
> >> one. Unless you already own a misting fan, or live where it
> >> doesn't get hot, you want one.
> >> https://www.directtoolsoutlet.com/Pr...g-Fan/p/PMF01B
> >> They're only $50 w/o the battery, and if you don't already have
> >> RYOBI battery tools, you want those too. My God I'm looking
> >> forward to camping season this year.

> >
> > I got a guitar that's made in Vietnam by a Korean company.

> From plastic oven control pads, to vaccines, to Indonesian camping
> fans, to Korean guitars all in three posts with absolutely nothing
> connecting any of them to each other.
>

My misting fan is sublime. Misting fans in general are great. It gets hot
in Texas. If you don't have a misting fan, it's your loss.
>
> -sw
>

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On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 15:38:44 -0700 (PDT), Bryan Simmons wrote:

> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 3:16:55 PM UTC-5, Sqwertz wrote:
>> On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 11:17:41 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 3:02:57 AM UTC-10, wrote:
>>>> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 7:36:22 AM UTC-5, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>>>>> On 4/29/2021 4:57 PM, Geoff Rove wrote:
>>>>> > My $1200 Frigidaire Oven has a plastic sheet over the control "push buttons" which has now unglued and is floating behind the metal frame.
>>>>> > This plastic sheet has the lettering for the setting for temperature, timer, etc. and covers the settings buttons.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > No way do I trust the "warp speed" production of vaccine batches which require precise mixture of ingredients.
>>>>> >
>>>>> A frigid oven? That should have been your tip off right there.
>>>>>
>>>> My new appliance (plastic dinosaur) was made in Indonesia.
>>>> You really want one. You might not know it yet, but you want
>>>> one. Unless you already own a misting fan, or live where it
>>>> doesn't get hot, you want one.
>>>> https://www.directtoolsoutlet.com/Pr...g-Fan/p/PMF01B
>>>> They're only $50 w/o the battery, and if you don't already have
>>>> RYOBI battery tools, you want those too. My God I'm looking
>>>> forward to camping season this year.
>>>
>>> I got a guitar that's made in Vietnam by a Korean company.

>> From plastic oven control pads, to vaccines, to Indonesian camping
>> fans, to Korean guitars all in three posts with absolutely nothing
>> connecting any of them to each other.
>>

> My misting fan is sublime. Misting fans in general are great. It gets hot
> in Texas. If you don't have a misting fan, it's your loss.


Where we don't have A/C, ain't no misting fan gonna save you from
110F temps.

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On 4/30/2021 6:38 PM, Bryan Simmons wrote:

>>>>>
>>>> My new appliance (plastic dinosaur) was made in Indonesia.
>>>> You really want one. You might not know it yet, but you want
>>>> one. Unless you already own a misting fan, or live where it
>>>> doesn't get hot, you want one.
>>>> https://www.directtoolsoutlet.com/Pr...g-Fan/p/PMF01B
>>>> They're only $50 w/o the battery, and if you don't already have
>>>> RYOBI battery tools, you want those too. My God I'm looking
>>>> forward to camping season this year.
>>>
>>> I got a guitar that's made in Vietnam by a Korean company.

>> From plastic oven control pads, to vaccines, to Indonesian camping
>> fans, to Korean guitars all in three posts with absolutely nothing
>> connecting any of them to each other.
>>

> My misting fan is sublime. Misting fans in general are great. It gets hot
> in Texas. If you don't have a misting fan, it's your loss.
>>


I prefer air conditioning. Lowers temperature, removes humidity
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Bryan Simmons wrote:
> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 3:16:55 PM UTC-5, Sqwertz wrote:
>> On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 11:17:41 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 3:02:57 AM UTC-10, wrote:
>>>> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 7:36:22 AM UTC-5, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>>>>> On 4/29/2021 4:57 PM, Geoff Rove wrote:
>>>>>> My $1200 Frigidaire Oven has a plastic sheet over the control "push buttons" which has now unglued and is floating behind the metal frame.
>>>>>> This plastic sheet has the lettering for the setting for temperature, timer, etc. and covers the settings buttons.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No way do I trust the "warp speed" production of vaccine batches which require precise mixture of ingredients.
>>>>>>
>>>>> A frigid oven? That should have been your tip off right there.
>>>>>
>>>> My new appliance (plastic dinosaur) was made in Indonesia.
>>>> You really want one. You might not know it yet, but you want
>>>> one. Unless you already own a misting fan, or live where it
>>>> doesn't get hot, you want one.
>>>> https://www.directtoolsoutlet.com/Pr...g-Fan/p/PMF01B
>>>> They're only $50 w/o the battery, and if you don't already have
>>>> RYOBI battery tools, you want those too. My God I'm looking
>>>> forward to camping season this year.
>>>
>>> I got a guitar that's made in Vietnam by a Korean company.

>> From plastic oven control pads, to vaccines, to Indonesian camping
>> fans, to Korean guitars all in three posts with absolutely nothing
>> connecting any of them to each other.
>>

> My misting fan is sublime. Misting fans in general are great. It gets hot
> in Texas. If you don't have a misting fan, it's your loss.
>>
>> -sw
>>

> --Bryan
>


In a real humid muggy climate, it would make things worse.

Like houston, new oleans, many other humid shit holes.

Evaporative cooling works fine in arid climates, not so much in swamps.






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Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 4/30/2021 6:38 PM, Bryan Simmons wrote:
>
> >>>>>
> >>>> My new appliance (plastic dinosaur) was made in Indonesia.
> >>>> You really want one. You might not know it yet, but you want
> >>>> one. Unless you already own a misting fan, or live where it
> >>>> doesn't get hot, you want one.
> >>>> https://www.directtoolsoutlet.com/Pr...g-Fan/p/PMF01B
> >>>> They're only $50 w/o the battery, and if you don't already have
> >>>> RYOBI battery tools, you want those too. My God I'm looking
> >>>> forward to camping season this year.
> >>>
> >>> I got a guitar that's made in Vietnam by a Korean company.
> >> From plastic oven control pads, to vaccines, to Indonesian camping
> >> fans, to Korean guitars all in three posts with absolutely nothing
> >> connecting any of them to each other.
> >>

> > My misting fan is sublime. Misting fans in general are great. It gets hot
> > in Texas. If you don't have a misting fan, it's your loss.
> >>

> I prefer air conditioning. Lowers temperature, removes humidity



You mean you don't have a swamp cooler attached to one of your car windows, Ed...???

https://www.curbsideclassic.com/blog...-swamp-cooler/

Cold Comfort: Firestone Thermador Car Cooler (Evaporative €śSwamp Cooler€ť)

BY PAUL NIEDERMEYER €“ POSTED ON JUNE 30, 2020

"Ive been hoping to find a vintage automotive €śswamp cooler€ť for quite a while, since I remember these so well from our annual trips to Colorado. And its on a 66 F-100, no less. And at an antique plane show, even. Maybe later€¦ But lets take a quickie look at the way to keep cool before air conditioning, provided you lived in the western half of the country.

The technology of an evaporative cooler was certainly simple and reliable enough: A canister with a ram tube, some kind of pad of porous material, and a reservoir of about a gallon of water to keep the pad wet. The cool air was then routed into the interior. The drier the air, the better they worked, so they were particularly popular in the South West. Im not sure where the cut-off point was in their sales; Nebraska or Kansas, maybe?

There were several main manufacturers, and Thermador was one of the biggest.. This one is Firestone branded, undoubtedly sold through their one-time huge chain of stores.

These swamp coolers were first made in the 30s, and finally petered out in the late 60s or so, although one can still buy new ones for that typical overdone look, with every available and conceivable accessory that so many restored old cars sport...

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nrd515
Posted July 2, 2014 at 11:52 PM

If I could run a swamp cooler for free, I still wouldnt have one. I worked in a place that had one, and it was horrible. Yeah, it was cooler than outside, but it was humid as hell, and were were soaking wet with sweat almost instantly every morning when we arrived. We complained and complained, and finally the boss (Whose office had a normal A/C unit) had to work with us and out came the swamper, and back came the fans.

A couple of years later, a friend of mine bought a house with a swamper on it, and within a week of moving in, he was getting estimates for real A/C. His wife was the only one who liked it. I was in it for a half hour and it was almost as bad as it was at work, and it was only 90 or so outside. I would hate to think how bad it would have been with the temp up another 10-20 degrees.

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Two thumbs up for your post, nrd515. Here in Utah there are still thousands of houses with rooftop swampers. While they do put out a certain amount of nicely cooled air, they dont cool the whole house. If you happen to be right under the thing, youll feel fine, but if you are a few rooms away or on a different floor, a swamper wont help you much. A few years ago, my sister and brother-in-law came back from church to find that the ceiling in their kitchen had collapsed, strewing wet drywall and insulation all over the place. The culprit? A leaking swamper. It was at that point that my sister insisted that they get central air€“which shed wanted for years. Swampers are also noisy and prone to breakdowns€“not fun to fix when its 100 degrees-plus outside (you have to climb up on the roof, where its even hotter). When we moved back here from the humid Midwest, we let our real estate agent know that AC was a must..."

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Hank Rogers wrote:
> Bryan Simmons wrote:
> > On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 3:16:55 PM UTC-5, Sqwertz wrote:
> >> On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 11:17:41 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 3:02:57 AM UTC-10, wrote:
> >>>> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 7:36:22 AM UTC-5, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> >>>>> On 4/29/2021 4:57 PM, Geoff Rove wrote:
> >>>>>> My $1200 Frigidaire Oven has a plastic sheet over the control "push buttons" which has now unglued and is floating behind the metal frame.
> >>>>>> This plastic sheet has the lettering for the setting for temperature, timer, etc. and covers the settings buttons.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> No way do I trust the "warp speed" production of vaccine batches which require precise mixture of ingredients.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> A frigid oven? That should have been your tip off right there.
> >>>>>
> >>>> My new appliance (plastic dinosaur) was made in Indonesia.
> >>>> You really want one. You might not know it yet, but you want
> >>>> one. Unless you already own a misting fan, or live where it
> >>>> doesn't get hot, you want one.
> >>>> https://www.directtoolsoutlet.com/Pr...g-Fan/p/PMF01B
> >>>> They're only $50 w/o the battery, and if you don't already have
> >>>> RYOBI battery tools, you want those too. My God I'm looking
> >>>> forward to camping season this year.
> >>>
> >>> I got a guitar that's made in Vietnam by a Korean company.
> >> From plastic oven control pads, to vaccines, to Indonesian camping
> >> fans, to Korean guitars all in three posts with absolutely nothing
> >> connecting any of them to each other.
> >>

> > My misting fan is sublime. Misting fans in general are great. It gets hot
> > in Texas. If you don't have a misting fan, it's your loss.
> >>
> >> -sw
> >>

> > --Bryan
> >

> In a real humid muggy climate, it would make things worse.
>
> Like houston, new oleans, many other humid shit holes.
>
> Evaporative cooling works fine in arid climates, not so much in swamps.



Like the swamp known as "DA LOO"...

--
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On 4/30/2021 6:38 PM, Bryan Simmons wrote:
> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 3:16:55 PM UTC-5, Sqwertz wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 3:02:57 AM UTC-10, wrote:
>>>> You really want one. You might not know it yet, but you want
>>>> one. Unless you already own a misting fan, or live where it
>>>> doesn't get hot, you want one.
>>>> https://www.directtoolsoutlet.com/Pr...g-Fan/p/PMF01B
>>>> They're only $50 w/o the battery, and if you don't already have
>>>> RYOBI battery tools, you want those too. My God I'm looking
>>>> forward to camping season this year.
>>>
>>> I got a guitar that's made in Vietnam by a Korean company.

>> From plastic oven control pads, to vaccines, to Indonesian camping
>> fans, to Korean guitars all in three posts with absolutely nothing
>> connecting any of them to each other.
>>

> My misting fan is sublime. Misting fans in general are great. It gets hot
> in Texas. If you don't have a misting fan, it's your loss.
>>

> --Bryan
>

I don't have a misting fan and it's no loss.

Granted, misters are great. Years ago I had mister nozzles that were on
a long thin hose that could be tacked onto the patio fence and connected
to the garden hose. Just turn on the spigot a little bit and it did a
great job of cooling down the patio. Worked quite well unless it was
July or August. No fan involved.

These days, when it's that hot outside I don't want to sit and get
misted. It's not going to cool anything off in Southern South Carolina.
I sure as heck don't want to use something like it inside. I've got
central AC for a reason.

Jill
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On 4/30/2021 6:42 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 15:38:44 -0700 (PDT), Bryan Simmons wrote:
>
>> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 3:16:55 PM UTC-5, Sqwertz wrote:
>>> On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 11:17:41 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 3:02:57 AM UTC-10, wrote:
>>>>> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 7:36:22 AM UTC-5, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/29/2021 4:57 PM, Geoff Rove wrote:
>>>>>>> My $1200 Frigidaire Oven has a plastic sheet over the control "push buttons" which has now unglued and is floating behind the metal frame.
>>>>>>> This plastic sheet has the lettering for the setting for temperature, timer, etc. and covers the settings buttons.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No way do I trust the "warp speed" production of vaccine batches which require precise mixture of ingredients.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> A frigid oven? That should have been your tip off right there.
>>>>>>
>>>>> My new appliance (plastic dinosaur) was made in Indonesia.
>>>>> You really want one. You might not know it yet, but you want
>>>>> one. Unless you already own a misting fan, or live where it
>>>>> doesn't get hot, you want one.
>>>>> https://www.directtoolsoutlet.com/Pr...g-Fan/p/PMF01B
>>>>> They're only $50 w/o the battery, and if you don't already have
>>>>> RYOBI battery tools, you want those too. My God I'm looking
>>>>> forward to camping season this year.
>>>>
>>>> I got a guitar that's made in Vietnam by a Korean company.
>>> From plastic oven control pads, to vaccines, to Indonesian camping
>>> fans, to Korean guitars all in three posts with absolutely nothing
>>> connecting any of them to each other.
>>>

>> My misting fan is sublime. Misting fans in general are great. It gets hot
>> in Texas. If you don't have a misting fan, it's your loss.

>
> Where we don't have A/C, ain't no misting fan gonna save you from
> 110F temps.
>
> -sw
>

It's a glorified swamp cooler with a fan.

I do have a Ryobi cordless leaf blower. It's lightweight and I only
need to use it occasionally. I'm quite happy with it.

Not looking for a fan driven swamp cooler here.

Jill
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On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 5:43:17 PM UTC-5, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 15:38:44 -0700 (PDT), Bryan Simmons wrote:
>
> > My misting fan is sublime. Misting fans in general are great. It gets hot
> > in Texas. If you don't have a misting fan, it's your loss.

> Where we don't have A/C, ain't no misting fan gonna save you from
> 110F temps.
>

Not indoors, but outside they're amazing. When water goes from liquid to
gas, a lot of heat loss occurs. It amazes me that people manage to live in
hot, arid places like the Middle East. While I hate the cold, heat seems
terrifying, mostly because of the potential of dehydration. If I seem even
nuttier than usual, I've been doped up on opiates for the past 2 days. I'd
be a shitty junkie. I hate this shit. Luckily, the surgery pain is fading
pretty quickly.
>
> -sw
>

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On 2021-04-30 8:57 p.m., Bryan Simmons wrote:
> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 5:43:17 PM UTC-5, Sqwertz wrote:
>> On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 15:38:44 -0700 (PDT), Bryan Simmons wrote:
>>
>>> My misting fan is sublime. Misting fans in general are great. It gets hot
>>> in Texas. If you don't have a misting fan, it's your loss.

>> Where we don't have A/C, ain't no misting fan gonna save you from
>> 110F temps.
>>

> Not indoors, but outside they're amazing. When water goes from liquid to
> gas, a lot of heat loss occurs. It amazes me that people manage to live in
> hot, arid places like the Middle East. While I hate the cold, heat seems
> terrifying, mostly because of the potential of dehydration. If I seem even
> nuttier than usual, I've been doped up on opiates for the past 2 days. I'd
> be a shitty junkie. I hate this shit. Luckily, the surgery pain is fading
> pretty quickly.


It is a dry heat in the Middle East and it is pretty extreme. Moist heat
is much harder to deal with. It is pretty humid here in the Niagara
Peninsula and we start to melt when the temperature gets into the 80s.
When I was in southern California was in the 90s and I found it quite
comfortable. When we headed up towards Monterey we stopped at Soledad
where it was about 111. It wasn't too bad. Only problem was when my
wife leaned on the metal edge of a table and burned her arm.

That humidity has a similar effect when it is cold. When it drops below
freezing it is pretty raw. If I go a couple hundred miles north it gets
a lot colder but the humidity us much lower, and it feels much more
comfortable.


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On 4/30/2021 7:24 PM, GM wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 4/30/2021 6:38 PM, Bryan Simmons wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> My new appliance (plastic dinosaur) was made in Indonesia.
>>>>>> You really want one. You might not know it yet, but you want
>>>>>> one. Unless you already own a misting fan, or live where it
>>>>>> doesn't get hot, you want one.
>>>>>> https://www.directtoolsoutlet.com/Pr...g-Fan/p/PMF01B
>>>>>> They're only $50 w/o the battery, and if you don't already have
>>>>>> RYOBI battery tools, you want those too. My God I'm looking
>>>>>> forward to camping season this year.
>>>>>
>>>>> I got a guitar that's made in Vietnam by a Korean company.
>>>> From plastic oven control pads, to vaccines, to Indonesian camping
>>>> fans, to Korean guitars all in three posts with absolutely nothing
>>>> connecting any of them to each other.
>>>>
>>> My misting fan is sublime. Misting fans in general are great. It gets hot
>>> in Texas. If you don't have a misting fan, it's your loss.
>>>>

>> I prefer air conditioning. Lowers temperature, removes humidity

>
>
> You mean you don't have a swamp cooler attached to one of your car windows, Ed...???
>
> https://www.curbsideclassic.com/blog...-swamp-cooler/
>
> Cold Comfort: Firestone Thermador Car Cooler (Evaporative €śSwamp Cooler€ť)
>
> BY PAUL NIEDERMEYER €“ POSTED ON JUNE 30, 2020
>
> "Ive been hoping to find a vintage automotive €śswamp cooler€ť for quite a while, since I remember these so well from our annual trips to Colorado. And its on a 66 F-100, no less. And at an antique plane show, even. Maybe later€¦ But lets take a quickie look at the way to keep cool before air conditioning, provided you lived in the western half of the country.
>


Never saw one of them. Great idea, I'm checking on Amazon to order one!


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On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 7:13:04 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> On 4/30/2021 6:42 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> > On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 15:38:44 -0700 (PDT), Bryan Simmons wrote:
> >
> >> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 3:16:55 PM UTC-5, Sqwertz wrote:
> >>> On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 11:17:41 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 3:02:57 AM UTC-10, wrote:
> >>>>> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 7:36:22 AM UTC-5, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> >>>>>> On 4/29/2021 4:57 PM, Geoff Rove wrote:
> >>>>>>> My $1200 Frigidaire Oven has a plastic sheet over the control "push buttons" which has now unglued and is floating behind the metal frame.
> >>>>>>> This plastic sheet has the lettering for the setting for temperature, timer, etc. and covers the settings buttons.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> No way do I trust the "warp speed" production of vaccine batches which require precise mixture of ingredients.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> A frigid oven? That should have been your tip off right there.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> My new appliance (plastic dinosaur) was made in Indonesia.
> >>>>> You really want one. You might not know it yet, but you want
> >>>>> one. Unless you already own a misting fan, or live where it
> >>>>> doesn't get hot, you want one.
> >>>>> https://www.directtoolsoutlet.com/Pr...g-Fan/p/PMF01B
> >>>>> They're only $50 w/o the battery, and if you don't already have
> >>>>> RYOBI battery tools, you want those too. My God I'm looking
> >>>>> forward to camping season this year.
> >>>>
> >>>> I got a guitar that's made in Vietnam by a Korean company.
> >>> From plastic oven control pads, to vaccines, to Indonesian camping
> >>> fans, to Korean guitars all in three posts with absolutely nothing
> >>> connecting any of them to each other.
> >>>
> >> My misting fan is sublime. Misting fans in general are great. It gets hot
> >> in Texas. If you don't have a misting fan, it's your loss.

> >
> > Where we don't have A/C, ain't no misting fan gonna save you from
> > 110F temps.
> >
> > -sw
> >

> It's a glorified swamp cooler with a fan.
>
> I do have a Ryobi cordless leaf blower. It's lightweight and I only
> need to use it occasionally. I'm quite happy with it.
>
> Not looking for a fan driven swamp cooler here.
>

I'm not a brand loyalist about many things, but RYOBI rocks. I have lots
of the 18V tools. My wife and I like to go camping off grid in the summer,
where we can be truly alone, and battery operated fans make sleeping in
the tent comfortable. A big treat is seeing the stars, but it gets hot in the
afternoons.
>
> Jill
>

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> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 7:13:04 PM UTC-5,
> wrote:
> > On 4/30/2021 6:42 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> > > On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 15:38:44 -0700 (PDT), Bryan Simmons wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 3:16:55 PM UTC-5, Sqwertz wrote:
> > >>> On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 11:17:41 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 3:02:57 AM UTC-10,

> > wrote: >>>>> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at
> > 7:36:22 AM UTC-5, Taxed and Spent wrote: >>>>>> On 4/29/2021 4:57
> > PM, Geoff Rove wrote: >>>>>>> My $1200 Frigidaire Oven has a
> > plastic sheet over the control "push buttons" which has now unglued
> > and is floating behind the metal frame. >>>>>>> This plastic sheet
> > has the lettering for the setting for temperature, timer, etc. and
> > covers the settings buttons. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No way do I trust the
> > "warp speed" production of vaccine batches which require precise
> > mixture of ingredients. >>>>>>> >>>>>> A frigid oven? That should
> > have been your tip off right there. >>>>>> >>>>> My new appliance
> > (plastic dinosaur) was made in Indonesia. >>>>> You really want
> > one. You might not know it yet, but you want >>>>> one. Unless you
> > already own a misting fan, or live where it >>>>> doesn't get hot,
> > you want one. >>>>>
> > https://www.directtoolsoutlet.com/Pr...ing/Fans-%26-M
> > isters/RYOBI-18-Volt-ONE%2B-Portable-Bucket-Top-Misting-Fan/p/PMF01B
> > >>>>> They're only $50 w/o the battery, and if you don't already

> > have >>>>> RYOBI battery tools, you want those too. My God I'm
> > looking >>>>> forward to camping season this year. >>>> >>>> I got
> > a guitar that's made in Vietnam by a Korean company. >>> From
> > plastic oven control pads, to vaccines, to Indonesian camping >>>
> > fans, to Korean guitars all in three posts with absolutely nothing
> > >>> connecting any of them to each other. >>>
> > >> My misting fan is sublime. Misting fans in general are great. It

> > gets hot >> in Texas. If you don't have a misting fan, it's your
> > loss.
> > >
> > > Where we don't have A/C, ain't no misting fan gonna save you from
> > > 110F temps.
> > >
> > > -sw
> > >

> > It's a glorified swamp cooler with a fan.
> >
> > I do have a Ryobi cordless leaf blower. It's lightweight and I only
> > need to use it occasionally. I'm quite happy with it.
> >
> > Not looking for a fan driven swamp cooler here.
> >

> I'm not a brand loyalist about many things, but RYOBI rocks. I have
> lots of the 18V tools. My wife and I like to go camping off grid in
> the summer, where we can be truly alone, and battery operated fans
> make sleeping in the tent comfortable. A big treat is seeing the
> stars, but it gets hot in the afternoons.


Ryobi is a shit brand for city people.

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> Not looking for a fan driven swamp cooler here.


I´ll bet swamp coolers aren´t sold in South Carolina. If they are, the
seller should be in jail ;-)

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On 4/30/2021 3:58 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 15:35:35 -0400, Michael Trew wrote:
>
>> On 4/30/2021 5:07 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 12:00:43 AM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote:
>>>> On 4/29/2021 7:57 PM, Geoff Rove wrote:
>>>>> My $1200 Frigidaire Oven has a plastic sheet over the control "push buttons" which has now unglued and is floating behind the metal frame.
>>>>> This plastic sheet has the lettering for the setting for temperature, timer, etc. and covers the settings buttons.
>>>>>
>>>>> No way do I trust the "warp speed" production of vaccine batches which require precise mixture of ingredients.
>>>> Get a better stove. I have a 1950's Chambers oven, back when they made
>>>> things the proper way in the USA; built to last.
>>>
>>> Two words: self cleaning.
>>>
>>> I'll never use oven cleaner again.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton

>>
>> I'll assume that means you use an electric oven. I'd lose my mind if I
>> had to switch back to an electric cook top. I much prefer a gas range.

>
> My Frigidaire gas oven is self-cleaning.
>
> -sw


Really? I didn't know such a thing existed with NG units.
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On 4/30/2021 3:44 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 3:35:35 PM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote:
>> On 4/30/2021 5:07 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 12:00:43 AM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote:
>>>> On 4/29/2021 7:57 PM, Geoff Rove wrote:
>>>>> My $1200 Frigidaire Oven has a plastic sheet over the control "push buttons" which has now unglued and is floating behind the metal frame.
>>>>> This plastic sheet has the lettering for the setting for temperature, timer, etc. and covers the settings buttons.
>>>>>
>>>>> No way do I trust the "warp speed" production of vaccine batches which require precise mixture of ingredients.
>>>> Get a better stove. I have a 1950's Chambers oven, back when they made
>>>> things the proper way in the USA; built to last.
>>>
>>> Two words: self cleaning.
>>>
>>> I'll never use oven cleaner again.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton

>> I'll assume that means you use an electric oven.

>
> No, I have a gas range. They've had self-cleaning gas ovens for decades.
> I bought my first one in 1990.
>
>> I'd lose my mind if I
>> had to switch back to an electric cook top. I much prefer a gas range.
>>
>> Electric self clean ovens use a ton of electricity, and can start a
>> fire. Not to mention, it kills the element much faster than normal oven
>> use.
>>
>> I wipe my oven quickly while still warm after using, and I've never had
>> an issue with built up gunk or garbage; my oven is always clean. You
>> probably wouldn't like my oven... it's match lit.

>
> My mother had a match-lit oven when I was a kid. I don't see the point in
> this day and age.
>
> Cindy Hamilton


The point being I paid almost nothing for it, it works very well, and
will likely continue working after you and I aren't here with simple
upkeep and care. These modern ovens with circuit boards, not so much.

Also, the Chambers ovens were heavily insulated, and they can "cook with
the gas off"... literally, the company designed a cook book where you
can cook a roast on say, 500 degrees for a half hour, cut the gas, and
it cooks on retained heat for hours afterward. When the gas is shut
off, it closes a damper in the oven so heat can't escape. It has a nice
deep well that can cook with the gas off as well.
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