On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 11:26:01 PM UTC-5, Dr. Bruce wrote:
>
> They don't like it when you call it champagne when it's not from the
> Champagne area etc. That has to do with geographic origin. It's not the
> same thing. Can you call it chocolate when it's 90% xanthan gum? Can
> you call them fries when they're 80% foam suppressant? Those are more
> similar questions to the vegan butter question.
>
> Maybe they can call it better than butter.
>
Maybe they can just call it a spread.

On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 11:38:57 PM UTC-5, wrote:
>
> On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 11:26:01 PM UTC-5, Dr. Bruce wrote:
> >
> > They don't like it when you call it champagne when it's not from the
> > Champagne area etc. That has to do with geographic origin. It's not the
> > same thing. Can you call it chocolate when it's 90% xanthan gum? Can
> > you call them fries when they're 80% foam suppressant? Those are more
> > similar questions to the vegan butter question.
> >
> > Maybe they can call it better than butter.
> >
> Maybe they can just call it a spread.
>
Oh, and there's n.o.t.h.i.n.g. better than butter.

wrote:

> On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 11:26:01 PM UTC-5, Dr. Bruce wrote:
> >
> > They don't like it when you call it champagne when it's not from
> > the Champagne area etc. That has to do with geographic origin. It's
> > not the same thing. Can you call it chocolate when it's 90% xanthan
> > gum? Can you call them fries when they're 80% foam suppressant?
> > Those are more similar questions to the vegan butter question.
> >
> > Maybe they can call it better than butter.
> >
> Maybe they can just call it a spread.

Have a bit of marketing sense please.

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wrote:

> On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 11:38:57 PM UTC-5,
> wrote:
> >
> > On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 11:26:01 PM UTC-5, Dr. Bruce wrote:
> > >
> > > They don't like it when you call it champagne when it's not from
> > > the Champagne area etc. That has to do with geographic origin.
> > > It's not the same thing. Can you call it chocolate when it's 90%
> > > xanthan gum? Can you call them fries when they're 80% foam
> > > suppressant? Those are more similar questions to the vegan butter
> > > question.
> > >
> > > Maybe they can call it better than butter.
> > >
> > Maybe they can just call it a spread.
> >
> Oh, and there's n.o.t.h.i.n.g. better than butter.

Butter means animal suffering.

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Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 5/2/2021 7:15 PM, Graham wrote:
>> I saw yesterday that my local s/m has started stocking vegan "butter".
>> However, judging by the contents, it's a helluva lot healthier to eat
>> real butter.
>
>
> Ingredients: Organic Coconut oil, Organic Cultured Cashew Milk (Filtered
> Water, Organic Cashews, Cultures), Filtered Water, Organic Sunflower
> Oil, Organic Sunflower Lecithin, Sea Salt

For the first time in maybe 30-40 years, I bought a 1 lb box of Blue
Bonnet margarine. They call it vegetable spread now.

Would have preferred real butter as always but this was at a convenience
store. One stick of real butter was $1.99. Can you believe that? Then I
spotted the Blue Bonnet...4 sticks for $2.69.

I'll try some on toast today and see what's up with it.

Final review. The vegetable spread is ok but I'll buy real butter from
now on.

On 5/3/2021 1:13 AM, Dr. Bruce wrote:
> wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 11:38:57 PM UTC-5,
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 11:26:01 PM UTC-5, Dr. Bruce wrote:
>>>>
>>>> They don't like it when you call it champagne when it's not from
>>>> the Champagne area etc. That has to do with geographic origin.
>>>> It's not the same thing. Can you call it chocolate when it's 90%
>>>> xanthan gum? Can you call them fries when they're 80% foam
>>>> suppressant? Those are more similar questions to the vegan butter
>>>> question.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe they can call it better than butter.
>>>>
>>> Maybe they can just call it a spread.
>>>
>> Oh, and there's n.o.t.h.i.n.g. better than butter.
>
> Butter means animal suffering.

That's not true at all. A bloated cow full of milk that isn't milked is
the cow that suffers for a bit. Milk the cow and they are all happy again.

A local woman hero on the local news here. During the pandemic year, she
donated 160+ gallons of her breast milk to people in need. What an
oddball. lol

Dr. Bruce wrote:
> Gary wrote:
>> Nothing wrong with vegan meals but would be a pain to eat that way
>> exclusively.
>
> I'd find no eggs the hardest part. I love cheese but I already don't
> eat it every week.

Eggs, butter and even cheese seem to be staples for many meals. A couple
of different cheeses really are important too. I just ran out. First on
my grocery list.

I made pasta with garlic oil, broccoli and parmesan cheese yesterday.
It's good but a different melty cheese would have been a good addition
to make it more creamy.

Gary wrote:

> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 5/2/2021 7:15 PM, Graham wrote:
> > > I saw yesterday that my local s/m has started stocking vegan
> > > "butter". However, judging by the contents, it's a helluva lot
> > > healthier to eat real butter.
> >
> >
> > Ingredients: Organic Coconut oil, Organic Cultured Cashew Milk
> > (Filtered Water, Organic Cashews, Cultures), Filtered Water,
> > Organic Sunflower Oil, Organic Sunflower Lecithin, Sea Salt
>
> For the first time in maybe 30-40 years, I bought a 1 lb box of Blue
> Bonnet margarine. They call it vegetable spread now.
>
> Would have preferred real butter as always but this was at a
> convenience store. One stick of real butter was $1.99. Can you
> believe that? Then I spotted the Blue Bonnet...4 sticks for $2.69.
>
> I'll try some on toast today and see what's up with it.
>
> Final review. The vegetable spread is ok but I'll buy real butter
> from now on.

You big spender you!

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On Tuesday, May 4, 2021 at 7:50:18 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 5/2/2021 7:15 PM, Graham wrote:
> >> I saw yesterday that my local s/m has started stocking vegan "butter".
> >> However, judging by the contents, it's a helluva lot healthier to eat
> >> real butter.
> >
> >
> > Ingredients: Organic Coconut oil, Organic Cultured Cashew Milk (Filtered
> > Water, Organic Cashews, Cultures), Filtered Water, Organic Sunflower
> > Oil, Organic Sunflower Lecithin, Sea Salt
> For the first time in maybe 30-40 years, I bought a 1 lb box of Blue
> Bonnet margarine. They call it vegetable spread now.
>
> Would have preferred real butter as always but this was at a convenience
> store. One stick of real butter was $1.99. Can you believe that? Then I
> spotted the Blue Bonnet...4 sticks for $2.69.

I would have paid the $1.99 for a single stick of butter. Margarine
is only fit for basting the outside of a whole roast pig.

OTOH, I have 4 pounds of butter in the freezer. When I use one up,
I buy another. I very, very rarely run out of anything.

Cindy Hamilton

On Tuesday, May 4, 2021 at 9:11:39 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, May 4, 2021 at 7:50:18 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> > >
> > Would have preferred real butter as always but this was at a convenience
> > store. One stick of real butter was $1.99. Can you believe that? Then I
> > spotted the Blue Bonnet...4 sticks for $2.69.
> >
> I would have paid the $1.99 for a single stick of butter.
>
Me, too or just bit the bullet and headed to the grocery store.
>
> OTOH, I have 4 pounds of butter in the freezer. When I use one up,
> I buy another. I very, very rarely run out of anything.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
Butter freezes well and I have about 15 pounds in mine. When I unwrap
the last stick in a pound box I will take a pound out of the freezer to thaw
in the refrigerator.

Gary wrote:

> On 5/3/2021 1:13 AM, Dr. Bruce wrote:
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 11:38:57 PM UTC-5,
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 11:26:01 PM UTC-5, Dr. Bruce wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > They don't like it when you call it champagne when it's not
> > > > > from the Champagne area etc. That has to do with geographic
> > > > > origin. It's not the same thing. Can you call it chocolate
> > > > > when it's 90% xanthan gum? Can you call them fries when
> > > > > they're 80% foam suppressant? Those are more similar
> > > > > questions to the vegan butter question.
> > > > >
> > > > > Maybe they can call it better than butter.
> > > > >
> > > > Maybe they can just call it a spread.
> > > >
> > > Oh, and there's n.o.t.h.i.n.g. better than butter.
> >
> > Butter means animal suffering.
>
> That's not true at all. A bloated cow full of milk that isn't milked
> is the cow that suffers for a bit. Milk the cow and they are all
> happy again.

The dairy industry:
-What happens to the little bulls?
-What happens to the cows when they start to produce less milk?

Dairy industry is animal suffering.

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Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> I would have paid the $1.99 for a single stick of butter. Margarine
> is only fit for basting the outside of a whole roast pig.
>
> OTOH, I have 4 pounds of butter in the freezer. When I use one up,
> I buy another. I very, very rarely run out of anything.

Used to go to the grocery once or twice a week. I alway kept 3 pounds in
the fridge.

Last time I went to the grocery store was March 12. I just looked it up
in my check register. Two weeks later (March 25) my van wasn't running
right. I went to the drug store, then skipped the grocery store on the
way home as it was not running well at all. I think the timing went out
and even the brakes didn't work well.

It's not worth fixing...time to let it go. So far I've been eating many
things in my freezer and pantry. Time to go ahead and eat all that
stuff. Well...2 months later, I'm finally almost out and many big or
heavy items can't be done by bike.

My daughter is coming Friday and I'll do some large grocery shopping
that day.

wrote:
> Butter freezes well and I have about 15 pounds in mine.

You stockpile 15 pounds of butter in your freezer? LOL

On 5/4/2021 2:54 PM, Dr. Bruce wrote:
> Gary wrote:
>
>> On 5/3/2021 1:13 AM, Dr. Bruce wrote:
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 11:38:57 PM UTC-5,
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 11:26:01 PM UTC-5, Dr. Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They don't like it when you call it champagne when it's not
>>>>>> from the Champagne area etc. That has to do with geographic
>>>>>> origin. It's not the same thing. Can you call it chocolate
>>>>>> when it's 90% xanthan gum? Can you call them fries when
>>>>>> they're 80% foam suppressant? Those are more similar
>>>>>> questions to the vegan butter question.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe they can call it better than butter.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe they can just call it a spread.
>>>>>
>>>> Oh, and there's n.o.t.h.i.n.g. better than butter.
>>>
>>> Butter means animal suffering.
>>
>> That's not true at all. A bloated cow full of milk that isn't milked
>> is the cow that suffers for a bit. Milk the cow and they are all
>> happy again.
>
> The dairy industry:
> -What happens to the little bulls?
> -What happens to the cows when they start to produce less milk?
>
> Dairy industry is animal suffering.

IMO, not necessarily suffering but a definite death sentence.
Supposedly, they are killed in a humane way. ???

On Wednesday, May 5, 2021 at 9:32:29 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>
> wrote:
>
> > Butter freezes well and I have about 15 pounds in mine.
> >
> You stockpile 15 pounds of butter in your freezer? LOL
>
Why not? I have a stand-alone freezer, butter goes on sale and
I buy. I don't wait until I need it and then pay full price. But let
me amend that amount, I have 17 pounds in the freezer as I write.

On 05/05/2021 15:31, Gary wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>> I would have paid the $1.99 for a single stick of butter.Â* Margarine
>> is only fit for basting the outside of a whole roast pig.
>>
>> OTOH, I have 4 pounds of butter in the freezer.Â* When I use one up,
>> I buy another.Â* I very, very rarely run out of anything.
>
> Used to go to the grocery once or twice a week. I alway kept 3 pounds in
> the fridge.
>
> Last time I went to the grocery store was March 12. I just looked it up
> in my check register. Two weeks later (March 25) my van wasn't running
> right. I went to the drug store, then skipped the grocery store on the
> way home as it was not running well at all. I think the timing went out
> and even the brakes didn't work well.
>
> It's not worth fixing...time to let it go.Â* So far I've been eating many
> things in my freezer and pantry. Time to go ahead and eat all that
> stuff. Well...2 months later, I'm finally almost out and many big or
> heavy items can't be done by bike.
>
> My daughter is coming Friday and I'll do some large grocery shopping
> that day.
>

====

I am very sorry to hear about your van It must be difficult

It is good to eat up all your stores so long as you can restock,
which of course you will Have a lovely time with your daughter))))

On 5/5/2021 12:35 PM, wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 5, 2021 at 9:32:29 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Butter freezes well and I have about 15 pounds in mine.
>>>
>> You stockpile 15 pounds of butter in your freezer? LOL
>>
> Why not? I have a stand-alone freezer, butter goes on sale and
> I buy. I don't wait until I need it and then pay full price. But let
> me amend that amount, I have 17 pounds in the freezer as I write.
>

I don't stockpile but buy a 4 pound pack at BJs for $8.99 or $2.24 a
pound. Supermarket is at least twice that.

Gary wrote:

> wrote:
> > Butter freezes well and I have about 15 pounds in mine.
>
> You stockpile 15 pounds of butter in your freezer? LOL

She must have a dedicated butter freezer, like Koreans and their kimchi.

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On 5/5/2021 12:35 PM, wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 5, 2021 at 9:32:29 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Butter freezes well and I have about 15 pounds in mine.
>>>
>> You stockpile 15 pounds of butter in your freezer? LOL
>>
> Why not? I have a stand-alone freezer, butter goes on sale and
> I buy. I don't wait until I need it and then pay full price. But let
> me amend that amount, I have 17 pounds in the freezer as I write.
>
Damn, I only have 3 lbs. of butter in the freezer!

Jill

On Wednesday, May 5, 2021 at 1:04:41 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> On 5/5/2021 12:35 PM, wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday, May 5, 2021 at 9:32:29 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> >>
> >> You stockpile 15 pounds of butter in your freezer? LOL
> >>
> > Why not? I have a stand-alone freezer, butter goes on sale and
> > I buy. I don't wait until I need it and then pay full price. But let
> > me amend that amount, I have 17 pounds in the freezer as I write.
> >
> I don't stockpile but buy a 4 pound pack at BJs for $8.99 or $2.24 a
> pound. Supermarket is at least twice that.
>
It's hard to pass up one pound packages of butter when it's on sale for
$1.79 or $1.99 per pound. This week Kroger has it on sale for 2 pounds
for $5.00 and since I didn't find that price impressive, I passed.

On Wednesday, May 5, 2021 at 3:02:08 PM UTC-5, wrote:
>
> On 5/5/2021 12:35 PM, wrote:
> >
> > I have 17 pounds in the freezer as I write.
> >
> Damn, I only have 3 lbs. of butter in the freezer!
>
> Jill
>
Hahahahaaaa! Get busy girl, you're falling behind!!

))

On 5/5/2021 7:15 PM, wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 5, 2021 at 3:02:08 PM UTC-5, wrote:
>>
>> On 5/5/2021 12:35 PM, wrote:
>>>
>>> I have 17 pounds in the freezer as I write.
>>>
>> Damn, I only have 3 lbs. of butter in the freezer!
>>
>> Jill
>>
> Hahahahaaaa! Get busy girl, you're falling behind!!
>
> ))
>
LOL I doubt I'll run out any time soon but yes, when I catch a sale I
pick up another 1 lb. (4 sticks) package. Last big shopping trip I
bought a lot of *meat*.

I did buy another 1/2 pound tub of Kerry Gold butter only to discover I
already had one. I won't be running out of butter any time soon.

Buy margarine? Not even for nostalgia's sake. I grew up eating
margarine. Mom didn't buy it with some mistaken idea it was somehow
better than butter. She bought it because it was cheaper than butter.
We only got butter on "holidays". Thanksgiving, Christmas, Easter,
whatever she decided required a family dinner in the dining room and
yes, let's use the good china. LOL She invariably burned the dinner
rolls the butter was intended for. Gosh I miss her.

Jill

On 2021-05-05 7:50 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
> On 5/5/2021 7:15 PM, wrote:
>> On Wednesday, May 5, 2021 at 3:02:08 PM UTC-5, wrote:

> I did buy another 1/2 pound tub of Kerry Gold butter only to discover I
> already had one.Â* I won't be running out of butter any time soon.
>
> Buy margarine?Â* Not even for nostalgia's sake.Â* I grew up eating
> margarine.Â* Mom didn't buy it with some mistaken idea it was somehow
> better than butter.Â* She bought it because it was cheaper than butter.
> We only got butter on "holidays".Â* Thanksgiving, Christmas, Easter,
> whatever she decided required a family dinner in the dining room and
> yes, let's use the good china. LOLÂ* She invariably burned the dinner
> rolls the butter was intended for.Â* Gosh I miss her.
>


My early years were a little different from yours. My mother tried
margarine on us but my father was a country boy who had been raised on
fresh churned butter and he vetoed that.

We always ate in the dinning room and usually had candle lit dinners.
The good dishes came out on Sundays.

On 5/5/2021 8:13 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2021-05-05 7:50 p.m., jmcquown wrote:
>> On 5/5/2021 7:15 PM, wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, May 5, 2021 at 3:02:08 PM UTC-5,
>>> wrote:
>
>> I did buy another 1/2 pound tub of Kerry Gold butter only to discover
>> I already had one.Â* I won't be running out of butter any time soon.
>>
>> Buy margarine?Â* Not even for nostalgia's sake.Â* I grew up eating
>> margarine.Â* Mom didn't buy it with some mistaken idea it was somehow
>> better than butter.Â* She bought it because it was cheaper than butter.
>> We only got butter on "holidays".Â* Thanksgiving, Christmas, Easter,
>> whatever she decided required a family dinner in the dining room and
>> yes, let's use the good china. LOLÂ* She invariably burned the dinner
>> rolls the butter was intended for.Â* Gosh I miss her.
>>
>
>
> My early years were a little different from yours. My mother tried
> margarine on usÂ* but my father was a country boy who had been raised on
> fresh churned butter and he vetoed that.
>
I can only say both my parents talked about the whole 'oleo' thing and
the dye packets. Well before my time.

The margarine my mother bought was strictly for price.

> We always ate in the dinning room and usually had candle lit dinners.
> The good dishes came out on Sundays.

Never had "Sunday dinners" and definitely never by candlelight.

Jill

On Wednesday, May 5, 2021 at 7:39:54 PM UTC-5, wrote:
>
> On 5/5/2021 8:13 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> The margarine my mother bought was strictly for price.
>
Same here. I can't ever remember butter being on the table even though
my mother was a country girl and churned gallons of the stuff when she
was young and at home.
>
> > We always ate in the dinning room and usually had candle lit dinners.
> > The good dishes came out on Sundays.
> >
> Never had "Sunday dinners" and definitely never by candlelight.
>
> Jill
>
We always had Sunday dinner, but no candlelight, and no dining room.
We had a large kitchen and that's where meals were eaten and the 'good
dishes' only came out at Easter, Thanksgiving, and Christmas.

On 5/5/2021 10:53 PM, wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 5, 2021 at 7:39:54 PM UTC-5, wrote:
>>
>> On 5/5/2021 8:13 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> The margarine my mother bought was strictly for price.
>>
> Same here. I can't ever remember butter being on the table even though
> my mother was a country girl and churned gallons of the stuff when she
> was young and at home.
>>
>>> We always ate in the dinning room and usually had candle lit dinners.
>>> The good dishes came out on Sundays.
>>>
>> Never had "Sunday dinners" and definitely never by candlelight.
>>
>> Jill
>>
> We always had Sunday dinner, but no candlelight, and no dining room.
> We had a large kitchen and that's where meals were eaten and the 'good
> dishes' only came out at Easter, Thanksgiving, and Christmas.
>

Sunday dinner varied every week. Once a month or so we'd go to my
grandmother's house and my Aunt, Uncle and cousins would be there too.
That was a big meal like pot roast, ham, pierogies.

Other Sundays we'd visit one of the other uncles or they would come to
our house. Dinner was then often luncheon meats and make a sandwich.

On 5/5/2021 10:31 AM, Gary wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>> I would have paid the $1.99 for a single stick of butter. Margarine
>> is only fit for basting the outside of a whole roast pig.
>>
>> OTOH, I have 4 pounds of butter in the freezer. When I use one up,
>> I buy another. I very, very rarely run out of anything.
>
> Used to go to the grocery once or twice a week. I alway kept 3 pounds in
> the fridge.
>
> Last time I went to the grocery store was March 12. I just looked it up
> in my check register. Two weeks later (March 25) my van wasn't running
> right. I went to the drug store, then skipped the grocery store on the
> way home as it was not running well at all. I think the timing went out
> and even the brakes didn't work well.
>
> It's not worth fixing...time to let it go. So far I've been eating many
> things in my freezer and pantry. Time to go ahead and eat all that
> stuff. Well...2 months later, I'm finally almost out and many big or
> heavy items can't be done by bike.
>
> My daughter is coming Friday and I'll do some large grocery shopping
> that day.
>
>
>
What part of the country do you live in? Used vehicles are cheap around
here. I live minutes from PA and WV, both with car inspections (not in
Ohio). I buy out of state vehicles for like $500 and drive them.

Michael Trew wrote:
> What part of the country do you live in? Used vehicles are cheap around
> here. I live minutes from PA and WV, both with car inspections (not in
> Ohio). I buy out of state vehicles for like $500 and drive them.

No problem buying another vehicle but I just use one so little (like 300
miles per year), it's not worth the upkeep and insurance. Now that warm
weather is here, I'll try out just using bike for the occasional
shopping. This will give me more exercise too. That's a bonus. It's only
one mile to 2 grocery stores.

After summer/fall I'll see how that is working and maybe buy a cheap
used vehicle. A new car would be very stupid of me to buy considering
how little I use a car.

On 5/5/2021 12:35 PM, wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 5, 2021 at 9:32:29 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Butter freezes well and I have about 15 pounds in mine.
>>>
>> You stockpile 15 pounds of butter in your freezer? LOL
>>
> Why not? I have a stand-alone freezer, butter goes on sale and
> I buy. I don't wait until I need it and then pay full price. But let
> me amend that amount, I have 17 pounds in the freezer as I write.
>
Well, ok. I can understand buying large when things you use often goes
on a good sale price. I do that often too.

In my case though, I'll maybe buy a month or two extra because after
that time, it will go on sale again.

The most butter I've had at one time is 3 pounds. I've never frozen them
as I'll eat that much long before it goes bad.

Gary wrote:

> Michael Trew wrote:
> > What part of the country do you live in? Used vehicles are cheap
> > around here. I live minutes from PA and WV, both with car
> > inspections (not in Ohio). I buy out of state vehicles for like
> > $500 and drive them.
>
> No problem buying another vehicle but I just use one so little (like
> 300 miles per year), it's not worth the upkeep and insurance. Now
> that warm weather is here, I'll try out just using bike for the
> occasional shopping. This will give me more exercise too. That's a
> bonus. It's only one mile to 2 grocery stores.
>
> After summer/fall I'll see how that is working and maybe buy a cheap
> used vehicle. A new car would be very stupid of me to buy considering
> how little I use a car.

I think buying a new car is one of the fastest ways to get rid of your
money. If you sometimes want to transport bigger things, you might use
this:
<https://dutchcargobike.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/dutchcargobike_bakfiets_trike_cruiser-600x400.jpg>

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On 06/05/2021 20:21, Joie McDonalds wrote:

> I think buying a new car is one of the fastest ways to get rid of your
> money. If you sometimes want to transport bigger things, you might use
> this:
> <https://dutchcargobike.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/dutchcargobike_bakfiets_trike_cruiser-600x400.jpg>
>
If I could equip that with an electric motor, it'd be perfect for me.
It's far too hilly here, to want to do my shopping with it, without a motor.

On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 3:02:27 PM UTC-5, S Viemeister wrote:
>
> > <https://dutchcargobike.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/dutchcargobike_bakfiets_trike_cruiser-600x400.jpg>
> >
> If I could equip that with an electric motor, it'd be perfect for me.
> It's far too hilly here, to want to do my shopping with it, without a motor.
>
Take a look at an e-bike. I belong to a group here in the USA and they
post pictures all the time of their bikes outfillted with saddlebags
and/or front and rear baskets. Some even have small, lightweight
trailers hitched to the back of their bikes. All I have extra for mine
is a purty pink saddlebag.

Not my bike but this is my shopping bag.

https://i.postimg.cc/TYPW9ynN/Fast-R...hopper-Bag.jpg

S Viemeister wrote:

> On 06/05/2021 20:21, Joie McDonalds wrote:
>
> > I think buying a new car is one of the fastest ways to get rid of
> > your money. If you sometimes want to transport bigger things, you
> > might use this:
> >
<https://dutchcargobike.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/dutchcargobike_bakfiets_trike_cruiser-600x400.jpg>
> >
> If I could equip that with an electric motor, it'd be perfect for me.
> It's far too hilly here, to want to do my shopping with it, without a
> motor.

Yes, they come with a motor. This one for instance:

<https://www.bakfiets.nl/elektrische-bakfiets/cargobike-classic-short-steps>

The flat black thing on the back is the battery. That probably means
that if you want to bring a second person, you'll have to put them in
the container at the front

My grandfather was a village baker. He used an old-skool version to
deliver bread (and Resistance pamphlets hidden under the bread).

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On 06/05/2021 21:19, wrote:
> On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 3:02:27 PM UTC-5, S Viemeister wrote:
>>
>>> <https://dutchcargobike.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/dutchcargobike_bakfiets_trike_cruiser-600x400.jpg>
>>>
>> If I could equip that with an electric motor, it'd be perfect for me.
>> It's far too hilly here, to want to do my shopping with it, without a motor.
>>
> Take a look at an e-bike. I belong to a group here in the USA and they
> post pictures all the time of their bikes outfitted with saddlebags
> and/or front and rear baskets. Some even have small, lightweight
> trailers hitched to the back of their bikes. All I have extra for mine
> is a purty pink saddlebag.
>
> Not my bike but this is my shopping bag.
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/TYPW9ynN/Fast-R...hopper-Bag.jpg
>
I've considered e-trikes, for their stability with heavy loads - but
they can cost as much as a second hand car.

On 06/05/2021 21:29, Joie McDonalds wrote:
> S Viemeister wrote:
>
>> On 06/05/2021 20:21, Joie McDonalds wrote:
>>
>>> I think buying a new car is one of the fastest ways to get rid of
>>> your money. If you sometimes want to transport bigger things, you
>>> might use this:
>>>
> <https://dutchcargobike.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/dutchcargobike_bakfiets_trike_cruiser-600x400.jpg>
>>>
>> If I could equip that with an electric motor, it'd be perfect for me.
>> It's far too hilly here, to want to do my shopping with it, without a
>> motor.
>
> Yes, they come with a motor. This one for instance:
>
> <https://www.bakfiets.nl/elektrische-bakfiets/cargobike-classic-short-steps>
>
> The flat black thing on the back is the battery. That probably means
> that if you want to bring a second person, you'll have to put them in
> the container at the front
>
> My grandfather was a village baker. He used an old-skool version to
> deliver bread (and Resistance pamphlets hidden under the bread).
>
Expensive. That will have to wait until we finish the updates to the
house. But definitely useful - especially once my knees give out.

On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 4:38:45 PM UTC-4, S Viemeister wrote:
> On 06/05/2021 21:29, Joie McDonalds wrote:
> > S Viemeister wrote:
> >
> >> On 06/05/2021 20:21, Joie McDonalds wrote:
> >>
> >>> I think buying a new car is one of the fastest ways to get rid of
> >>> your money. If you sometimes want to transport bigger things, you
> >>> might use this:
> >>>
> > <https://dutchcargobike.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/dutchcargobike_bakfiets_trike_cruiser-600x400.jpg>
> >>>
> >> If I could equip that with an electric motor, it'd be perfect for me.
> >> It's far too hilly here, to want to do my shopping with it, without a
> >> motor.
> >
> > Yes, they come with a motor. This one for instance:
> >
> > <https://www.bakfiets.nl/elektrische-bakfiets/cargobike-classic-short-steps>
> >
> > The flat black thing on the back is the battery. That probably means
> > that if you want to bring a second person, you'll have to put them in
> > the container at the front
> >
> > My grandfather was a village baker. He used an old-skool version to
> > deliver bread (and Resistance pamphlets hidden under the bread).
> >
> Expensive. That will have to wait until we finish the updates to the
> house. But definitely useful - especially once my knees give out.

... the house. Ha! HA!

On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 12:55:12 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> On 5/2/2021 12:18 PM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
> > On 2 May 2021 08:59:48 GMT, "Dr. Bruce" >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> bruce bowser wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 11:34:24 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>>> On 4/30/2021 10:56 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> >>>>> On 2021-04-30 10:48 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>>>>> Stole this from another group
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Vegans.jpg
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I would not refuse to eat something because it is vegan. I just
> >>>>> don't buy into it and I am not prepared to cater to guests who
> >>>>> choose a vegan diet. I have to saw that every once in a while
> >>>>> when I am at the corner bakery I get one of their vegan peanut
> >>>>> butter squares. They are incredible. When I went to Georgia with
> >>>>> the club a couple years ago the group was willing to indulge out
> >>>>> vegan member and someone made an delicious vegan chili. I cooked
> >>>>> some shrimp and someone else cooked sausage. The vegan dish was
> >>>>> good, but the shrimp and sausage made it a meal.
> >>>> Over the years we've had friend that are pescatarian and vegetarian
> >>>> and never had a problem. We could always make a suitable meal or
> >>>> enjoy one at their house. Vegan would be out of the question. Bring
> >>>> your own food.
> >>>
> >>> A few vegan dishes are great. Like those veggie burgers. They've
> >>> really come along quite a bit. Especially when steamed.
> >>
> >> Sir, I'll have you know that faux meat has been declared illegal by RFC.
> >
> > Fake meat is illegal at every market in NYC.
> >
> Oh hush. The two bruces are talking amongst themselves about veggie
> burgers.

That excludes me. Though I like those beyond sausage links sliced the long way with grits and eggs. And toast.

Very good.

bruce bowser wrote:

> On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 12:55:12 PM UTC-4,
> wrote:
> > On 5/2/2021 12:18 PM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
> > > On 2 May 2021 08:59:48 GMT, "Dr. Bruce" >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> bruce bowser wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 11:34:24 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski
> > wrote: >>>> On 4/30/2021 10:56 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> > >>>>> On 2021-04-30 10:48 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > >>>>>> Stole this from another group
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Vegans.jpg
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I would not refuse to eat something because it is vegan. I
> > just >>>>> don't buy into it and I am not prepared to cater to
> > guests who >>>>> choose a vegan diet. I have to saw that every once
> > in a while >>>>> when I am at the corner bakery I get one of their
> > vegan peanut >>>>> butter squares. They are incredible. When I went
> > to Georgia with >>>>> the club a couple years ago the group was
> > willing to indulge out >>>>> vegan member and someone made an
> > delicious vegan chili. I cooked >>>>> some shrimp and someone else
> > cooked sausage. The vegan dish was >>>>> good, but the shrimp and
> > sausage made it a meal. >>>> Over the years we've had friend that
> > are pescatarian and vegetarian >>>> and never had a problem. We
> > could always make a suitable meal or >>>> enjoy one at their house.
> > Vegan would be out of the question. Bring >>>> your own food.
> > >>>
> > >>> A few vegan dishes are great. Like those veggie burgers.
> > They've >>> really come along quite a bit. Especially when steamed.
> > >>
> > >> Sir, I'll have you know that faux meat has been declared illegal
> > by RFC.
> > >
> > > Fake meat is illegal at every market in NYC.
> > >
> > Oh hush. The two bruces are talking amongst themselves about veggie
> > burgers.
>
> That excludes me. Though I like those beyond sausage links sliced
> the long way with grits and eggs. And toast.
>
> Very good.

We've tried a few fake meats recently. One was mealy, many were ok and
some were really good. But don't look at the ingredient lists.

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On 5/6/2021 5:17 PM, Joie McDonalds wrote:
> bruce bowser wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 12:55:12 PM UTC-4,
>> wrote:
>>> On 5/2/2021 12:18 PM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
>>>> On 2 May 2021 08:59:48 GMT, "Dr. Bruce" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> bruce bowser wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, April 30, 2021 at 11:34:24 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski
>>> wrote: >>>> On 4/30/2021 10:56 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2021-04-30 10:48 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Stole this from another group
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Vegans.jpg
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would not refuse to eat something because it is vegan. I
>>> just >>>>> don't buy into it and I am not prepared to cater to
>>> guests who >>>>> choose a vegan diet. I have to saw that every once
>>> in a while >>>>> when I am at the corner bakery I get one of their
>>> vegan peanut >>>>> butter squares. They are incredible. When I went
>>> to Georgia with >>>>> the club a couple years ago the group was
>>> willing to indulge out >>>>> vegan member and someone made an
>>> delicious vegan chili. I cooked >>>>> some shrimp and someone else
>>> cooked sausage. The vegan dish was >>>>> good, but the shrimp and
>>> sausage made it a meal. >>>> Over the years we've had friend that
>>> are pescatarian and vegetarian >>>> and never had a problem. We
>>> could always make a suitable meal or >>>> enjoy one at their house.
>>> Vegan would be out of the question. Bring >>>> your own food.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A few vegan dishes are great. Like those veggie burgers.
>>> They've >>> really come along quite a bit. Especially when steamed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sir, I'll have you know that faux meat has been declared illegal
>>> by RFC.
>>>>
>>>> Fake meat is illegal at every market in NYC.
>>>>
>>> Oh hush. The two bruces are talking amongst themselves about veggie
>>> burgers.
>>
>> That excludes me. Though I like those beyond sausage links sliced
>> the long way with grits and eggs. And toast.
>>
>> Very good.
>
> We've tried a few fake meats recently. One was mealy, many were ok and
> some were really good. But don't look at the ingredient lists.
>
At last! Let's have a polite discussion. Definitely don't look at the
ingredients lists for the old Boca Burgers and Morningstar Farms faux
meat products. Unless you just love injesting chemicals. I've been
saying that for years.

The newer stuff isn't sold frozen, it's cryo-vac'd and sold "fresh" in
the cold case. Plant-based meat. The ingredients on the Beyond brand
aren't horrible. This is the sausage links bowser is referring to:

Ingredients. Water, Pea Protein*, Refined Coconut Oil, Sunflower Oil,
Natural Flavor, Contains 2% or less of: Rice Protein, Faba Bean Protein,
Potato Starch, Salt, Fruit Juice (For Color), Vegetable Juice (For
Color), Apple Fiber, Methylcellulose, Citrus Extract (To Protect
Quality), Calcium Alginate Casing.

It's still not meat. It won't tempt me to buy it.

Jill

Joie McDonalds wrote:
> S Viemeister wrote:
>
>> On 06/05/2021 20:21, Joie McDonalds wrote:
>>
>>> I think buying a new car is one of the fastest ways to get rid of
>>> your money. If you sometimes want to transport bigger things, you
>>> might use this:
>>>
> <https://dutchcargobike.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/dutchcargobike_bakfiets_trike_cruiser-600x400.jpg>
>>>
>> If I could equip that with an electric motor, it'd be perfect for me.
>> It's far too hilly here, to want to do my shopping with it, without a
>> motor.
>
> Yes, they come with a motor. This one for instance:
>
> <https://www.bakfiets.nl/elektrische-bakfiets/cargobike-classic-short-steps>
>
> The flat black thing on the back is the battery. That probably means
> that if you want to bring a second person, you'll have to put them in
> the container at the front
>
> My grandfather was a village baker. He used an old-skool version to
> deliver bread (and Resistance pamphlets hidden under the bread).
>

Did he sniff everyone's ass in the village?