Joie McDonalds wrote:
> S Viemeister wrote:
>
>> On 06/05/2021 20:21, Joie McDonalds wrote:
>>
>>> I think buying a new car is one of the fastest ways to get rid of
>>> your money. If you sometimes want to transport bigger things, you
>>> might use this:
>>>
> <https://dutchcargobike.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/dutchcargobike_bakfiets_trike_cruiser-600x400.jpg>
>>>
>> If I could equip that with an electric motor, it'd be perfect for me.
>> It's far too hilly here, to want to do my shopping with it, without a
>> motor.
>
> Yes, they come with a motor. This one for instance:
>
> <https://www.bakfiets.nl/elektrische-bakfiets/cargobike-classic-short-steps>
>
> The flat black thing on the back is the battery. That probably means
> that if you want to bring a second person, you'll have to put them in
> the container at the front
>
> My grandfather was a village baker. He used an old-skool version to
> deliver bread (and Resistance pamphlets hidden under the bread).
>

But he didn't make it out?

Sorry your pop died in wwII.

jmcquown wrote:

> At last! Let's have a polite discussion. Definitely don't look at
> the ingredients lists for the old Boca Burgers and Morningstar Farms
> faux meat products. Unless you just love injesting chemicals. I've
> been saying that for years.
>
> The newer stuff isn't sold frozen, it's cryo-vac'd and sold "fresh"
> in the cold case. Plant-based meat. The ingredients on the Beyond
> brand aren't horrible. This is the sausage links bowser is referring
> to:
>
> Ingredients. Water, Pea Protein*, Refined Coconut Oil, Sunflower Oil,
> Natural Flavor, Contains 2% or less of: Rice Protein, Faba Bean
> Protein, Potato Starch, Salt, Fruit Juice (For Color), Vegetable
> Juice (For Color), Apple Fiber, Methylcellulose, Citrus Extract (To
> Protect Quality), Calcium Alginate Casing.
>
> It's still not meat. It won't tempt me to buy it.

I'm hoping they'll get better over time, ingredient-wise. If you don't
eat meat, you don't HAVE to eat faux meat, of course. But the more
options, the better.

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Gary wrote:

> Michael Trew wrote:
> > What part of the country do you live in? Used vehicles are cheap
> > around here. I live minutes from PA and WV, both with car
> > inspections (not in Ohio). I buy out of state vehicles for like
> > $500 and drive them.
>
> No problem buying another vehicle but I just use one so little (like
> 300 miles per year), it's not worth the upkeep and insurance. Now
> that warm weather is here, I'll try out just using bike for the
> occasional shopping. This will give me more exercise too. That's a
> bonus. It's only one mile to 2 grocery stores.
>
> After summer/fall I'll see how that is working and maybe buy a cheap
> used vehicle. A new car would be very stupid of me to buy considering
> how little I use a car.

Could well be the occasional taxi/uber will work for you too.

Joie McDonalds wrote:

> Gary wrote:
>
> > Michael Trew wrote:
> > > What part of the country do you live in? Used vehicles are cheap
> > > around here. I live minutes from PA and WV, both with car
> > > inspections (not in Ohio). I buy out of state vehicles for like
> > > $500 and drive them.
> >
> > No problem buying another vehicle but I just use one so little (like
> > 300 miles per year), it's not worth the upkeep and insurance. Now
> > that warm weather is here, I'll try out just using bike for the
> > occasional shopping. This will give me more exercise too. That's a
> > bonus. It's only one mile to 2 grocery stores.
> >
> > After summer/fall I'll see how that is working and maybe buy a cheap
> > used vehicle. A new car would be very stupid of me to buy
> > considering how little I use a car.
>
> I think buying a new car is one of the fastest ways to get rid of your
> money. If you sometimes want to transport bigger things, you might use
> this:
>
<https://dutchcargobike.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/dutchcargobike_bakfiets_trike_cruiser-600x400.jpg>

Or the 3 weels on the back with basket called an Adult Tricycle. I
have one for Charlotte but too expensive to ship to her and she lives
on a ship anyways. Better balance if basket and 2 wheels at the back.

There are also panniers yo can use to the sides of a 2wheeler. Not
hard to install.

On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 3:30:32 PM UTC-5, S Viemeister wrote:
>
> On 06/05/2021 21:19, wrote:
> >
> > Take a look at an e-bike. I belong to a group here in the USA and they
> > post pictures all the time of their bikes outfitted with saddlebags
> > and/or front and rear baskets. Some even have small, lightweight
> > trailers hitched to the back of their bikes. All I have extra for mine
> > is a purty pink saddlebag.
> >
> > Not my bike but this is my shopping bag.
> >
> > https://i.postimg.cc/TYPW9ynN/Fast-R...hopper-Bag.jpg
> >
> I've considered e-trikes, for their stability with heavy loads - but
> they can cost as much as a second hand car.
>
No, they're not cheap, that's for sure. Also, I believe that the law there
is the maximum power for an e-bike is 500 watts whereas it's 750 watts
(1 horsepower) here.

On 5/6/2021 8:11 AM, Gary wrote:
> Michael Trew wrote:
>> What part of the country do you live in? Used vehicles are cheap around
>> here. I live minutes from PA and WV, both with car inspections (not in
>> Ohio). I buy out of state vehicles for like $500 and drive them.
>
> No problem buying another vehicle but I just use one so little (like 300
> miles per year), it's not worth the upkeep and insurance. Now that warm
> weather is here, I'll try out just using bike for the occasional
> shopping. This will give me more exercise too. That's a bonus. It's only
> one mile to 2 grocery stores.
>
> After summer/fall I'll see how that is working and maybe buy a cheap
> used vehicle. A new car would be very stupid of me to buy considering
> how little I use a car.
>
>
>
>

Ah, I see. I drive far too much. I have a one-way 45 minute commute to
work, and 2 days per week I work a morning and evening shift. I also
make a few annual 1k+ mile road trips in the spring and fall.

A used car and cheap liability insurance is the best way to go. I've
found that cheap/reliable would be an older Toyota typically, such as a
Corolla. They will go forever, and you can find a 15-20 year old model
with 150K miles that is barely halfway through is usable life.
Typically very clean ones go for $2K around here.

On 5/6/2021 3:21 PM, Joie McDonalds wrote:
> Gary wrote:
>
>> Michael Trew wrote:
>>> What part of the country do you live in? Used vehicles are cheap
>>> around here. I live minutes from PA and WV, both with car
>>> inspections (not in Ohio). I buy out of state vehicles for like
>>> $500 and drive them.
>>
>> No problem buying another vehicle but I just use one so little (like
>> 300 miles per year), it's not worth the upkeep and insurance. Now
>> that warm weather is here, I'll try out just using bike for the
>> occasional shopping. This will give me more exercise too. That's a
>> bonus. It's only one mile to 2 grocery stores.
>>
>> After summer/fall I'll see how that is working and maybe buy a cheap
>> used vehicle. A new car would be very stupid of me to buy considering
>> how little I use a car.
>
> I think buying a new car is one of the fastest ways to get rid of your
> money. If you sometimes want to transport bigger things, you might use
> this:
> <https://dutchcargobike.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/dutchcargobike_bakfiets_trike_cruiser-600x400.jpg>
>

Unfortunately, that would only be practical around town. Not my town
either; I live in a valley. I typically sell my junk cars for what I
pay for them when I'm bored of them. I don't lose money on them.

Michael Trew wrote:

> On 5/6/2021 3:21 PM, Joie McDonalds wrote:
> > Gary wrote:
> >
> > > Michael Trew wrote:
> > > > What part of the country do you live in? Used vehicles are
> > > > cheap around here. I live minutes from PA and WV, both with car
> > > > inspections (not in Ohio). I buy out of state vehicles for like
> > > > $500 and drive them.
> > >
> > > No problem buying another vehicle but I just use one so little
> > > (like 300 miles per year), it's not worth the upkeep and
> > > insurance. Now that warm weather is here, I'll try out just using
> > > bike for the occasional shopping. This will give me more exercise
> > > too. That's a bonus. It's only one mile to 2 grocery stores.
> > >
> > > After summer/fall I'll see how that is working and maybe buy a
> > > cheap used vehicle. A new car would be very stupid of me to buy
> > > considering how little I use a car.
> >
> > I think buying a new car is one of the fastest ways to get rid of
> > your money. If you sometimes want to transport bigger things, you
> > might use this:
> >
<https://dutchcargobike.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/dutchcargobike_bakfiets_trike_cruiser-600x400.jpg>
> >
>
> Unfortunately, that would only be practical around town. Not my town
> either; I live in a valley. I typically sell my junk cars for what I
> pay for them when I'm bored of them. I don't lose money on them.

Yes, you don't want to go uphill with those bikes, although I don't
know how much help the motor would be.

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On 5/6/2021 11:27 PM, Michael Trew wrote:

> Ah, I see.Â* I drive far too much.Â* I have a one-way 45 minute commute to
> work, and 2 days per week I work a morning and evening shift.Â* I also
> make a few annual 1k+ mile road trips in the spring and fall.
>
> A used car and cheap liability insurance is the best way to go.Â* I've
> found that cheap/reliable would be an older Toyota typically, such as a
> Corolla.Â* They will go forever, and you can find a 15-20 year old model
> with 150K miles that is barely halfway through is usable life. Typically
> very clean ones go for $2K around here.

From a practicality POV, correct, cheap is good. I had plenty of cars
like that years ago. They get you where you have to go. One of my
favorites I paid $15 for.

At some point in life the house is paid for, the kids are out of the
house and you want something nicer.

On 5/6/2021 2:11 AM, Michael Trew wrote:
> On 5/5/2021 10:31 AM, Gary wrote:
>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>>> I would have paid the $1.99 for a single stick of butter. Margarine
>>> is only fit for basting the outside of a whole roast pig.
>>>
>>> OTOH, I have 4 pounds of butter in the freezer. When I use one up,
>>> I buy another. I very, very rarely run out of anything.
>>
>> Used to go to the grocery once or twice a week. I alway kept 3 pounds in
>> the fridge.
>>
>> Last time I went to the grocery store was March 12. I just looked it up
>> in my check register. Two weeks later (March 25) my van wasn't running
>> right. I went to the drug store, then skipped the grocery store on the
>> way home as it was not running well at all. I think the timing went out
>> and even the brakes didn't work well.
>>
>> It's not worth fixing...time to let it go. So far I've been eating many
>> things in my freezer and pantry. Time to go ahead and eat all that
>> stuff. Well...2 months later, I'm finally almost out and many big or
>> heavy items can't be done by bike.
>>
>> My daughter is coming Friday and I'll do some large grocery shopping
>> that day.
>>
>>
>>
> What part of the country do you live in?Â* Used vehicles are cheap around
> here.Â* I live minutes from PA and WV, both with car inspections (not in
> Ohio).Â* I buy out of state vehicles for like $500 and drive them.

Since he didn't answer your question I will. Gary lives near Virginia
Beach.

Jill

On 5/7/2021 12:02 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> At some point in life the house is paid for, the kids are out of the
> house and you want something nicer.

To each their own. Personally, I really don't like the way new cars are
going. Every one has a touch screen, and it ticks me off.

On 5/7/2021 4:48 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 5/6/2021 2:11 AM, Michael Trew wrote:
>> On 5/5/2021 10:31 AM, Gary wrote:
>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would have paid the $1.99 for a single stick of butter. Margarine
>>>> is only fit for basting the outside of a whole roast pig.
>>>>
>>>> OTOH, I have 4 pounds of butter in the freezer. When I use one up,
>>>> I buy another. I very, very rarely run out of anything.
>>>
>>> Used to go to the grocery once or twice a week. I alway kept 3 pounds in
>>> the fridge.
>>>
>>> Last time I went to the grocery store was March 12. I just looked it up
>>> in my check register. Two weeks later (March 25) my van wasn't running
>>> right. I went to the drug store, then skipped the grocery store on the
>>> way home as it was not running well at all. I think the timing went out
>>> and even the brakes didn't work well.
>>>
>>> It's not worth fixing...time to let it go. So far I've been eating many
>>> things in my freezer and pantry. Time to go ahead and eat all that
>>> stuff. Well...2 months later, I'm finally almost out and many big or
>>> heavy items can't be done by bike.
>>>
>>> My daughter is coming Friday and I'll do some large grocery shopping
>>> that day.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> What part of the country do you live in? Used vehicles are cheap
>> around here. I live minutes from PA and WV, both with car inspections
>> (not in Ohio). I buy out of state vehicles for like $500 and drive them.
>
> Since he didn't answer your question I will. Gary lives near Virginia
> Beach.
>
> Jill

I bought a Geo Metro near VA beach last February. I drove a $200 Toyota
Tercel down that was burning a ton of oil with well over 300,000 miles
on it, sold it for $200, and drove the Geo home the same day... haha.

Cars down there hold up well, as long as they aren't too near the salty
ocean. Not nearly as cheap as they are up here, however.

Michael Trew wrote:

> On 5/7/2021 12:02 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > At some point in life the house is paid for, the kids are out of the
> > house and you want something nicer.
>
> To each their own. Personally, I really don't like the way new cars
> are going. Every one has a touch screen, and it ticks me off.

And when they break down, you don't need a mechanic, but a computer
programmer. That's not a car, it's a computer game.

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On 5/7/2021 7:43 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
> On 5/7/2021 12:02 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> At some point in life the house is paid for, the kids are out of the
>> house and you want something nicer.
>
> To each their own.Â* Personally, I really don't like the way new cars are
> going.Â* Every one has a touch screen, and it ticks me off.

Used to be a big deal to have AM/FM radio, now we have infotainment
systems. I understand to replace the one in my car is about $3500 for
the head unit. I use my fair share of goodies like SiriusXM radio and I
really like the surround view with 4 cameras when parking in tight spots.

Better put a few of your plain cars away for the future for simplicity.

On 5/7/2021 9:08 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 5/7/2021 7:43 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
>> On 5/7/2021 12:02 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> At some point in life the house is paid for, the kids are out of the
>>> house and you want something nicer.
>>
>> To each their own. Personally, I really don't like the way new cars
>> are going. Every one has a touch screen, and it ticks me off.
>
> Used to be a big deal to have AM/FM radio, now we have infotainment
> systems. I understand to replace the one in my car is about $3500 for
> the head unit. I use my fair share of goodies like SiriusXM radio and I
> really like the surround view with 4 cameras when parking in tight spots.
>
> Better put a few of your plain cars away for the future for simplicity.

Haha, I've been slowly stock-piling Geo Metros... some day I'll have 40
of them, and won't need to worry about new cars :P

On 5/6/2021 3:21 PM, Joie McDonalds wrote:
> I think buying a new car is one of the fastest ways to get rid of your
> money. If you sometimes want to transport bigger things, you might use
> this:
> <https://dutchcargobike.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/dutchcargobike_bakfiets_trike_cruiser-600x400.jpg>

OH MAN! >:-o
IMO opinion, whoever invented that mess was not a frequent bike rider.
What a steering nightmare even with an empty bin there. Load it with
groceries and more weight? NEVER! VERY bad design!

Much more functional would be to reverse the wheels. Put the large
single wheel on front for good steering control. Put the 2 wheels with
bin on the back to pull behind you. That would work well.

On 5/6/2021 4:19 PM, wrote:
> On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 3:02:27 PM UTC-5, S Viemeister wrote:
>>
>>> <https://dutchcargobike.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/dutchcargobike_bakfiets_trike_cruiser-600x400.jpg>
>>>
>> If I could equip that with an electric motor, it'd be perfect for me.
>> It's far too hilly here, to want to do my shopping with it, without a motor.
>>
> Take a look at an e-bike. I belong to a group here in the USA and they
> post pictures all the time of their bikes outfillted with saddlebags
> and/or front and rear baskets. Some even have small, lightweight
> trailers hitched to the back of their bikes. All I have extra for mine
> is a purty pink saddlebag.
>
> Not my bike but this is my shopping bag.
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/TYPW9ynN/Fast-R...hopper-Bag.jpg

That's a nice rig. If your shopping can get a bit heavy, a second bag on
the other side would be good...to equally distribute the weight.

For my bike grocery shopping, I buy small and just go more often. The
extra exercise is not a bad thing. Just buy enough to half fill two
plastic bags and nothing really heavy.

I ride home holding the 2 small bags with my last 3 left fingers. My
thumb and index finger holding the left handlebar. Right hand is all on
the handlebar.

For heavier or bulky items, just drive or get a ride.

On Sunday, May 9, 2021 at 1:21:42 PM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>
> On 5/6/2021 4:19 PM, wrote:
> >
> > Not my bike but this is my shopping bag.
> >
> > https://i.postimg.cc/TYPW9ynN/Fast-R...hopper-Bag.jpg
> >
> That's a nice rig. If your shopping can get a bit heavy, a second bag on
> the other side would be good...to equally distribute the weight.
>
I've only used it once or twice and it's great for bread, half-gallon of milk,
cheese, etc.
>
> For my bike grocery shopping, I buy small and just go more often. The
> extra exercise is not a bad thing. Just buy enough to half fill two
> plastic bags and nothing really heavy.
>
> I ride home holding the 2 small bags with my last 3 left fingers. My
> thumb and index finger holding the left handlebar. Right hand is all on
> the handlebar.
>
> For heavier or bulky items, just drive or get a ride.
>
Have you considered one of those plastic milk crates and strap it to the
back of your bike if your bike has a rear rack? Those milk crates also can
be purchased that are collapsable but I would think either one would need
one of those stretchy cargo covers to keep things from bouncing out.

Here's a photo from the group where one of the riders has the milk crate
on their bike. Some people use screws and washers to attach them and
other use zip ties.

https://i.postimg.cc/5yYY0MQv/Milk-Crate.jpg

Another one with the crate on the front of the bike attached with zip ties.

https://i.postimg.cc/nr498fs1/Front-Milk-Crate.jpg

Gary wrote:

> On 5/6/2021 3:21 PM, Joie McDonalds wrote:
> > I think buying a new car is one of the fastest ways to get rid of
> > your money. If you sometimes want to transport bigger things, you
> > might use this:
> >
<https://dutchcargobike.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/dutchcargobike_bakfiets_trike_cruiser-600x400.jpg>
>
> OH MAN! >:-o
> IMO opinion, whoever invented that mess was not a frequent bike
> rider. What a steering nightmare even with an empty bin there. Load
> it with groceries and more weight? NEVER! VERY bad design!
>
> Much more functional would be to reverse the wheels. Put the large
> single wheel on front for good steering control. Put the 2 wheels
> with bin on the back to pull behind you. That would work well.

Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."

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Gary wrote:

> On 5/6/2021 4:19 PM, wrote:
> > On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 3:02:27 PM UTC-5, S Viemeister wrote:
> > >
> > > >
<https://dutchcargobike.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/dutchcargobike_bakfiets_trike_cruiser-600x400.jpg>
> > > >
> > > If I could equip that with an electric motor, it'd be perfect for
> > > me. It's far too hilly here, to want to do my shopping with it,
> > > without a motor.
> > >
> > Take a look at an e-bike. I belong to a group here in the USA and
> > they post pictures all the time of their bikes outfillted with
> > saddlebags and/or front and rear baskets. Some even have small,
> > lightweight trailers hitched to the back of their bikes. All I
> > have extra for mine is a purty pink saddlebag.
> >
> > Not my bike but this is my shopping bag.
> >
> > https://i.postimg.cc/TYPW9ynN/Fast-R...hopper-Bag.jpg
>
> That's a nice rig. If your shopping can get a bit heavy, a second bag
> on the other side would be good...to equally distribute the weight.
>
> For my bike grocery shopping, I buy small and just go more often. The
> extra exercise is not a bad thing. Just buy enough to half fill two
> plastic bags and nothing really heavy.
>
> I ride home holding the 2 small bags with my last 3 left fingers. My
> thumb and index finger holding the left handlebar. Right hand is all
> on the handlebar.
>
> For heavier or bulky items, just drive or get a ride.

Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."

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Gary wrote:

> On 5/6/2021 3:21 PM, Joie McDonalds wrote:
> > I think buying a new car is one of the fastest ways to get rid of
> > your money. If you sometimes want to transport bigger things, you
> > might use this:
> >
<https://dutchcargobike.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/dutchcargobike_bakfiets_trike_cruiser-600x400.jpg>
>
> OH MAN! >:-o
> IMO opinion, whoever invented that mess was not a frequent bike
> rider. What a steering nightmare even with an empty bin there. Load
> it with groceries and more weight? NEVER! VERY bad design!
>
> Much more functional would be to reverse the wheels. Put the large
> single wheel on front for good steering control. Put the 2 wheels
> with bin on the back to pull behind you. That would work well.

Yup. That's what we have. It was Charlotte's but I guess it is mine
now. Basket in back between 2 wheels. Single wheel at front.

Gary wrote:

> On 5/6/2021 4:19 PM, wrote:
> > On Thursday, May 6, 2021 at 3:02:27 PM UTC-5, S Viemeister wrote:
> > >
> > > >
<https://dutchcargobike.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/dutchcargobike_bakfiets_trike_cruiser-600x400.jpg>
> > > >
> > > If I could equip that with an electric motor, it'd be perfect for
> > > me. It's far too hilly here, to want to do my shopping with it,
> > > without a motor.
> > >
> > Take a look at an e-bike. I belong to a group here in the USA and
> > they post pictures all the time of their bikes outfillted with
> > saddlebags and/or front and rear baskets. Some even have small,
> > lightweight trailers hitched to the back of their bikes. All I
> > have extra for mine is a purty pink saddlebag.
> >
> > Not my bike but this is my shopping bag.
> >
> > https://i.postimg.cc/TYPW9ynN/Fast-R...hopper-Bag.jpg
>
> That's a nice rig. If your shopping can get a bit heavy, a second bag
> on the other side would be good...to equally distribute the weight.
>
> For my bike grocery shopping, I buy small and just go more often. The
> extra exercise is not a bad thing. Just buy enough to half fill two
> plastic bags and nothing really heavy.
>
> I ride home holding the 2 small bags with my last 3 left fingers. My
> thumb and index finger holding the left handlebar. Right hand is all
> on the handlebar.
>
> For heavier or bulky items, just drive or get a ride.

For 7 years in Japan it was foot or bike for us. Pannier Baskets are a
godsend. Load them evenly.

What I did often was a simple backpack. I also had a basket on the
front. I'm a girl, having a basket on the front doesn't raise any odd
questions (grin).

wrote:

> On Sunday, May 9, 2021 at 1:21:42 PM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
> >
> > On 5/6/2021 4:19 PM, wrote:
> > >
> > > Not my bike but this is my shopping bag.
> > >
> > > https://i.postimg.cc/TYPW9ynN/Fast-R...hopper-Bag.jpg
> > >
> > That's a nice rig. If your shopping can get a bit heavy, a second
> > bag on the other side would be good...to equally distribute the
> > weight.
> >
> I've only used it once or twice and it's great for bread, half-gallon
> of milk, cheese, etc.
> >
> > For my bike grocery shopping, I buy small and just go more often.
> > The extra exercise is not a bad thing. Just buy enough to half fill
> > two plastic bags and nothing really heavy.
> >
> > I ride home holding the 2 small bags with my last 3 left fingers.
> > My thumb and index finger holding the left handlebar. Right hand is
> > all on the handlebar.
> >
> > For heavier or bulky items, just drive or get a ride.
> >
> Have you considered one of those plastic milk crates and strap it to
> the back of your bike if your bike has a rear rack? Those milk
> crates also can be purchased that are collapsable but I would think
> either one would need one of those stretchy cargo covers to keep
> things from bouncing out.
>
> Here's a photo from the group where one of the riders has the milk
> crate on their bike. Some people use screws and washers to attach
> them and other use zip ties.
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/5yYY0MQv/Milk-Crate.jpg
>
> Another one with the crate on the front of the bike attached with zip
> ties.
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/nr498fs1/Front-Milk-Crate.jpg

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08YYH9GX1/

Similar to Charlotte's.