Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> On 5/2/2021 9:13 AM, Gary wrote:
> > On 4/30/2021 10:56 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> > > On 2021-04-30 10:48 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > > > Stole this from another group
> > > >
> > > > http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Vegans.jpg
> > >
> > > Â*I would not refuse to eat something because it is vegan. I just
> > > don't buy into it and I am not prepared to cater to guests who
> > > choose a vegan diet. I have to saw that every once in a while
> > > when I am at the corner bakery I get one of their vegan peanut
> > > butter squares. They are incredible.Â* When I went to Georgia with
> > > the club a couple years ago the group was willing to indulge out
> > > vegan member and someone made an delicious vegan chili.Â*Â* I
> > > cooked some shrimp and someone else cooked sausage.Â* The vegan
> > > dish was good, but the shrimp and sausage made it a meal.
> >
> > Nothing wrong with vegan meals but would be a pain to eat that way
> > exclusively.
> >
> >
>
> Sure, I've made vegan meals but mostly by accident. My salad for
> lunch me be a nice vegan meal with olive oil dressing, but there is a
> good chance I'll screw it up with a sour cream based dressing.
>
> Vegetarian is not that hard, I can pass on a pork chop, but eggs,
> butter, ice cream are necessities.

Thats ok. Most vegetarians are ok with milk and egg products.

On 2021-05-02 2:19 p.m., cshenk wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> On 5/2/2021 9:13 AM, Gary wrote:
>>> On 4/30/2021 10:56 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 2021-04-30 10:48 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>> Stole this from another group
>>>>>
>>>>> http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Vegans.jpg
>>>>
>>>> Â*I would not refuse to eat something because it is vegan. I just
>>>> don't buy into it and I am not prepared to cater to guests who
>>>> choose a vegan diet. I have to saw that every once in a while
>>>> when I am at the corner bakery I get one of their vegan peanut
>>>> butter squares. They are incredible.Â* When I went to Georgia with
>>>> the club a couple years ago the group was willing to indulge out
>>>> vegan member and someone made an delicious vegan chili.Â*Â* I
>>>> cooked some shrimp and someone else cooked sausage.Â* The vegan
>>>> dish was good, but the shrimp and sausage made it a meal.
>>>
>>> Nothing wrong with vegan meals but would be a pain to eat that way
>>> exclusively.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Sure, I've made vegan meals but mostly by accident. My salad for
>> lunch me be a nice vegan meal with olive oil dressing, but there is a
>> good chance I'll screw it up with a sour cream based dressing.
>>
>> Vegetarian is not that hard, I can pass on a pork chop, but eggs,
>> butter, ice cream are necessities.
>
> Thats ok. Most vegetarians are ok with milk and egg products.
>
I saw yesterday that my local s/m has started stocking vegan "butter".
However, judging by the contents, it's a helluva lot healthier to eat
real butter.

Graham wrote:

> On 2021-05-02 2:19 p.m., cshenk wrote:
> > Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >
> > > On 5/2/2021 9:13 AM, Gary wrote:
> > > > On 4/30/2021 10:56 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> > > > > On 2021-04-30 10:48 p.m., Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > > > > > Stole this from another group
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Vegans.jpg
> > > > >
> >>>> Â*I would not refuse to eat something because it is vegan. I just
> > > > > don't buy into it and I am not prepared to cater to guests who
> > > > > choose a vegan diet. I have to saw that every once in a while
> > > > > when I am at the corner bakery I get one of their vegan peanut
> > > > > butter squares. They are incredible.Â* When I went to Georgia
> > > > > with the club a couple years ago the group was willing to
> > > > > indulge out vegan member and someone made an delicious vegan
> > > > > chili.Â*Â* I cooked some shrimp and someone else cooked
> > > > > sausage.Â* The vegan dish was good, but the shrimp and sausage
> > > > > made it a meal.
> > > >
> > > > Nothing wrong with vegan meals but would be a pain to eat that
> > > > way exclusively.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Sure, I've made vegan meals but mostly by accident. My salad for
> > > lunch me be a nice vegan meal with olive oil dressing, but there
> > > is a good chance I'll screw it up with a sour cream based
> > > dressing.
> > >
> > > Vegetarian is not that hard, I can pass on a pork chop, but eggs,
> > > butter, ice cream are necessities.
> >
> > Thats ok. Most vegetarians are ok with milk and egg products.
> >
> I saw yesterday that my local s/m has started stocking vegan
> "butter". However, judging by the contents, it's a helluva lot
> healthier to eat real butter.

But real butter requires a dairy industry. Dairy industry means animal
abuse.

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On 5/2/2021 7:15 PM, Graham wrote:

>>>> Nothing wrong with vegan meals but would be a pain to eat that way
>>>> exclusively.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Sure, I've made vegan meals but mostly by accident.Â* My salad for
>>> lunch me be a nice vegan meal with olive oil dressing, but there is a
>>> good chance I'll screw it up with a sour cream based dressing.
>>>
>>> Vegetarian is not that hard, I can pass on a pork chop, but eggs,
>>> butter, ice cream are necessities.
>>
>> Thats ok.Â* Most vegetarians are ok with milk and egg products.
>>
> I saw yesterday that my local s/m has started stocking vegan "butter".
> However, judging by the contents, it's a helluva lot healthier to eat
> real butter.


Ingredients: Organic Coconut oil, Organic Cultured Cashew Milk (Filtered
Water, Organic Cashews, Cultures), Filtered Water, Organic Sunflower
Oil, Organic Sunflower Lecithin, Sea Salt

Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> On 5/2/2021 7:15 PM, Graham wrote:
>
> > > > > Nothing wrong with vegan meals but would be a pain to eat
> > > > > that way exclusively.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Sure, I've made vegan meals but mostly by accident.Â* My salad
> > > > for lunch me be a nice vegan meal with olive oil dressing, but
> > > > there is a good chance I'll screw it up with a sour cream based
> > > > dressing.
> > > >
> > > > Vegetarian is not that hard, I can pass on a pork chop, but
> > > > eggs, butter, ice cream are necessities.
> > >
> > > Thats ok.Â* Most vegetarians are ok with milk and egg products.
> > >
> > I saw yesterday that my local s/m has started stocking vegan
> > "butter". However, judging by the contents, it's a helluva lot
> > healthier to eat real butter.
>
>
> Ingredients: Organic Coconut oil, Organic Cultured Cashew Milk
> (Filtered Water, Organic Cashews, Cultures), Filtered Water, Organic
> Sunflower Oil, Organic Sunflower Lecithin, Sea Salt

That's not bad at all.

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On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 8:53:10 PM UTC-5, Dr. Bruce wrote:
>
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> > Ingredients: Organic Coconut oil, Organic Cultured Cashew Milk
> > (Filtered Water, Organic Cashews, Cultures), Filtered Water, Organic
> > Sunflower Oil, Organic Sunflower Lecithin, Sea Salt
> >
> That's not bad at all.
>
And that's not butter. It's a spread but not butter in any shape
or form.

wrote:

> On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 8:53:10 PM UTC-5, Dr. Bruce wrote:
> >
> > Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >
> > > Ingredients: Organic Coconut oil, Organic Cultured Cashew Milk
> > > (Filtered Water, Organic Cashews, Cultures), Filtered Water,
> > > Organic Sunflower Oil, Organic Sunflower Lecithin, Sea Salt
> > >
> > That's not bad at all.
> >
> And that's not butter. It's a spread but not butter in any shape
> or form.

Duh.

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On 5/2/2021 10:44 PM, wrote:
> On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 8:53:10 PM UTC-5, Dr. Bruce wrote:
>>
>> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>>> Ingredients: Organic Coconut oil, Organic Cultured Cashew Milk
>>> (Filtered Water, Organic Cashews, Cultures), Filtered Water, Organic
>>> Sunflower Oil, Organic Sunflower Lecithin, Sea Salt
>>>
>> That's not bad at all.
>>
> And that's not butter. It's a spread but not butter in any shape
> or form.
>

I'm surprised they can call it butter. Doubt you can get away with it
in Europe with the DOC regulations and such. May not be for much longer
though

https://www.feedstuffs.com/news/fda-...utter-products

Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> On 5/2/2021 10:44 PM, wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 8:53:10 PM UTC-5, Dr. Bruce wrote:
> > >
> > > Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > >
> > > > Ingredients: Organic Coconut oil, Organic Cultured Cashew Milk
> > > > (Filtered Water, Organic Cashews, Cultures), Filtered Water,
> > > > Organic Sunflower Oil, Organic Sunflower Lecithin, Sea Salt
> > > >
> > > That's not bad at all.
> > >
> > And that's not butter. It's a spread but not butter in any shape
> > or form.
> >
>
> I'm surprised they can call it butter. Doubt you can get away with
> it in Europe with the DOC regulations and such. May not be for much
> longer though
>
>
https://www.feedstuffs.com/news/fda-...utter-products

They don't like it when you call it champagne when it's not from the
Champagne area etc. That has to do with geographic origin. It's not the
same thing. Can you call it chocolate when it's 90% xanthan gum? Can
you call them fries when they're 80% foam suppressant? Those are more
similar questions to the vegan butter question.

Maybe they can call it better than butter.

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Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 5/2/2021 7:15 PM, Graham wrote:
>
>>>>> Nothing wrong with vegan meals but would be a pain to eat that
>>>>> way
>>>>> exclusively.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sure, I've made vegan meals but mostly by accident.Â* My salad for
>>>> lunch me be a nice vegan meal with olive oil dressing, but
>>>> there is a
>>>> good chance I'll screw it up with a sour cream based dressing.
>>>>
>>>> Vegetarian is not that hard, I can pass on a pork chop, but eggs,
>>>> butter, ice cream are necessities.
>>>
>>> Thats ok.Â* Most vegetarians are ok with milk and egg products.
>>>
>> I saw yesterday that my local s/m has started stocking vegan
>> "butter". However, judging by the contents, it's a helluva lot
>> healthier to eat real butter.
>
>
> Ingredients: Organic Coconut oil, Organic Cultured Cashew Milk
> (Filtered Water, Organic Cashews, Cultures), Filtered Water,
> Organic Sunflower Oil, Organic Sunflower Lecithin, Sea Salt

That's not vegan. The sea salt is bound to have residuals of Marine
animals.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 5/2/2021 7:15 PM, Graham wrote:
>> I saw yesterday that my local s/m has started stocking vegan "butter".
>> However, judging by the contents, it's a helluva lot healthier to eat
>> real butter.
>
>
> Ingredients: Organic Coconut oil, Organic Cultured Cashew Milk (Filtered
> Water, Organic Cashews, Cultures), Filtered Water, Organic Sunflower
> Oil, Organic Sunflower Lecithin, Sea Salt

For the first time in maybe 30-40 years, I bought a 1 lb box of Blue
Bonnet margarine. They call it vegetable spread now.

Would have preferred real butter as always but this was at a convenience
store. One stick of real butter was $1.99. Can you believe that? Then I
spotted the Blue Bonnet...4 sticks for $2.69.

I'll try some on toast today and see what's up with it.

Final review. The vegetable spread is ok but I'll buy real butter from
now on.

Gary wrote:

> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 5/2/2021 7:15 PM, Graham wrote:
> > > I saw yesterday that my local s/m has started stocking vegan
> > > "butter". However, judging by the contents, it's a helluva lot
> > > healthier to eat real butter.
> >
> >
> > Ingredients: Organic Coconut oil, Organic Cultured Cashew Milk
> > (Filtered Water, Organic Cashews, Cultures), Filtered Water,
> > Organic Sunflower Oil, Organic Sunflower Lecithin, Sea Salt
>
> For the first time in maybe 30-40 years, I bought a 1 lb box of Blue
> Bonnet margarine. They call it vegetable spread now.
>
> Would have preferred real butter as always but this was at a
> convenience store. One stick of real butter was $1.99. Can you
> believe that? Then I spotted the Blue Bonnet...4 sticks for $2.69.
>
> I'll try some on toast today and see what's up with it.
>
> Final review. The vegetable spread is ok but I'll buy real butter
> from now on.

You big spender you!

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On Tuesday, May 4, 2021 at 7:50:18 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 5/2/2021 7:15 PM, Graham wrote:
> >> I saw yesterday that my local s/m has started stocking vegan "butter".
> >> However, judging by the contents, it's a helluva lot healthier to eat
> >> real butter.
> >
> >
> > Ingredients: Organic Coconut oil, Organic Cultured Cashew Milk (Filtered
> > Water, Organic Cashews, Cultures), Filtered Water, Organic Sunflower
> > Oil, Organic Sunflower Lecithin, Sea Salt
> For the first time in maybe 30-40 years, I bought a 1 lb box of Blue
> Bonnet margarine. They call it vegetable spread now.
>
> Would have preferred real butter as always but this was at a convenience
> store. One stick of real butter was $1.99. Can you believe that? Then I
> spotted the Blue Bonnet...4 sticks for $2.69.

I would have paid the $1.99 for a single stick of butter. Margarine
is only fit for basting the outside of a whole roast pig.

OTOH, I have 4 pounds of butter in the freezer. When I use one up,
I buy another. I very, very rarely run out of anything.

Cindy Hamilton

On Tuesday, May 4, 2021 at 9:11:39 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, May 4, 2021 at 7:50:18 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> > >
> > Would have preferred real butter as always but this was at a convenience
> > store. One stick of real butter was $1.99. Can you believe that? Then I
> > spotted the Blue Bonnet...4 sticks for $2.69.
> >
> I would have paid the $1.99 for a single stick of butter.
>
Me, too or just bit the bullet and headed to the grocery store.
>
> OTOH, I have 4 pounds of butter in the freezer. When I use one up,
> I buy another. I very, very rarely run out of anything.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
Butter freezes well and I have about 15 pounds in mine. When I unwrap
the last stick in a pound box I will take a pound out of the freezer to thaw
in the refrigerator.

wrote:
> Butter freezes well and I have about 15 pounds in mine.

You stockpile 15 pounds of butter in your freezer? LOL

Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> I would have paid the $1.99 for a single stick of butter. Margarine
> is only fit for basting the outside of a whole roast pig.
>
> OTOH, I have 4 pounds of butter in the freezer. When I use one up,
> I buy another. I very, very rarely run out of anything.

Used to go to the grocery once or twice a week. I alway kept 3 pounds in
the fridge.

Last time I went to the grocery store was March 12. I just looked it up
in my check register. Two weeks later (March 25) my van wasn't running
right. I went to the drug store, then skipped the grocery store on the
way home as it was not running well at all. I think the timing went out
and even the brakes didn't work well.

It's not worth fixing...time to let it go. So far I've been eating many
things in my freezer and pantry. Time to go ahead and eat all that
stuff. Well...2 months later, I'm finally almost out and many big or
heavy items can't be done by bike.

My daughter is coming Friday and I'll do some large grocery shopping
that day.

On 05/05/2021 15:31, Gary wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>> I would have paid the $1.99 for a single stick of butter.Â* Margarine
>> is only fit for basting the outside of a whole roast pig.
>>
>> OTOH, I have 4 pounds of butter in the freezer.Â* When I use one up,
>> I buy another.Â* I very, very rarely run out of anything.
>
> Used to go to the grocery once or twice a week. I alway kept 3 pounds in
> the fridge.
>
> Last time I went to the grocery store was March 12. I just looked it up
> in my check register. Two weeks later (March 25) my van wasn't running
> right. I went to the drug store, then skipped the grocery store on the
> way home as it was not running well at all. I think the timing went out
> and even the brakes didn't work well.
>
> It's not worth fixing...time to let it go.Â* So far I've been eating many
> things in my freezer and pantry. Time to go ahead and eat all that
> stuff. Well...2 months later, I'm finally almost out and many big or
> heavy items can't be done by bike.
>
> My daughter is coming Friday and I'll do some large grocery shopping
> that day.
>

====

I am very sorry to hear about your van It must be difficult

It is good to eat up all your stores so long as you can restock,
which of course you will Have a lovely time with your daughter))))

On 5/5/2021 10:31 AM, Gary wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>> I would have paid the $1.99 for a single stick of butter. Margarine
>> is only fit for basting the outside of a whole roast pig.
>>
>> OTOH, I have 4 pounds of butter in the freezer. When I use one up,
>> I buy another. I very, very rarely run out of anything.
>
> Used to go to the grocery once or twice a week. I alway kept 3 pounds in
> the fridge.
>
> Last time I went to the grocery store was March 12. I just looked it up
> in my check register. Two weeks later (March 25) my van wasn't running
> right. I went to the drug store, then skipped the grocery store on the
> way home as it was not running well at all. I think the timing went out
> and even the brakes didn't work well.
>
> It's not worth fixing...time to let it go. So far I've been eating many
> things in my freezer and pantry. Time to go ahead and eat all that
> stuff. Well...2 months later, I'm finally almost out and many big or
> heavy items can't be done by bike.
>
> My daughter is coming Friday and I'll do some large grocery shopping
> that day.
>
>
>
What part of the country do you live in? Used vehicles are cheap around
here. I live minutes from PA and WV, both with car inspections (not in
Ohio). I buy out of state vehicles for like $500 and drive them.