Last night my wife had the dish washer all loaded up and ready to go and
it would not work. I had a look at it, but I have to admit that I don't
really know how to run it because I never use it, but I gave it a try.
There were blue lights and dashes on the panel, but nothing we did
changed that. If in doubt, RTFM, so we did that. It suggested cutting
the power for 15 seconds, which was easy enough to do because it is a
portable. That didn't work. Online troubleshooting videos suggested
removing the front panel and checking the lock switch.

If that was the problem I would have to order parts. At that point I
figured it was time to call a pro. Being Sunday night, there was no
point in calling our go to repair man... and hope that he can make a
house call. So...... I left it until the morning.


In the morning I had other things to do and it was not until about 11 am
that I remembered the dishwasher problem. Instead of calling the
repairman I thought I would give it another try. I moved it over to the
sink, hooked up the hose, plugged it in and the lights came on. I got
some adult help to program it and started her up and away she went. She
went through her whole program flawlessly.

It may or may not screw up again, but I figure I just saved myself at
least $100 by doing nothing.

On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 5:22:38 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> Last night my wife had the dish washer all loaded up and ready to go and
> it would not work. I had a look at it, but I have to admit that I don't
> really know how to run it because I never use it, but I gave it a try.
> There were blue lights and dashes on the panel, but nothing we did
> changed that. If in doubt, RTFM, so we did that. It suggested cutting
> the power for 15 seconds, which was easy enough to do because it is a
> portable. That didn't work. Online troubleshooting videos suggested
> removing the front panel and checking the lock switch.
>
> If that was the problem I would have to order parts. At that point I
> figured it was time to call a pro. Being Sunday night, there was no
> point in calling our go to repair man... and hope that he can make a
> house call. So...... I left it until the morning.
>
>
> In the morning I had other things to do and it was not until about 11 am
> that I remembered the dishwasher problem. Instead of calling the
> repairman I thought I would give it another try. I moved it over to the
> sink, hooked up the hose, plugged it in and the lights came on. I got
> some adult help to program it and started her up and away she went. She
> went through her whole program flawlessly.
>
> It may or may not screw up again, but I figure I just saved myself at
> least $100 by doing nothing.
>
Hopefully, it was just a fluke and you'll have no more problems. But at least
you got that load of dishes done.

Dave Smith wrote:

> Last night my wife had the dish washer all loaded up and ready to go
> and it would not work. I had a look at it, but I have to admit that I
> don't really know how to run it because I never use it, but I gave it
> a try. There were blue lights and dashes on the panel, but nothing we
> did changed that. If in doubt, RTFM, so we did that. It suggested
> cutting the power for 15 seconds, which was easy enough to do because
> it is a portable. That didn't work. Online troubleshooting videos
> suggested removing the front panel and checking the lock switch.
>
> If that was the problem I would have to order parts. At that point I
> figured it was time to call a pro. Being Sunday night, there was no
> point in calling our go to repair man... and hope that he can make a
> house call. So...... I left it until the morning.
>
>
> In the morning I had other things to do and it was not until about 11
> am that I remembered the dishwasher problem. Instead of calling the
> repairman I thought I would give it another try. I moved it over to
> the sink, hooked up the hose, plugged it in and the lights came on.
> I got some adult help to program it and started her up and away she
> went. She went through her whole program flawlessly.
>
> It may or may not screw up again, but I figure I just saved myself at
> least $100 by doing nothing.

A page turner if ever I read one.

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On 2021-05-17 6:30 p.m., wrote:
> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 5:22:38 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:

>> In the morning I had other things to do and it was not until about 11 am
>> that I remembered the dishwasher problem. Instead of calling the
>> repairman I thought I would give it another try. I moved it over to the
>> sink, hooked up the hose, plugged it in and the lights came on. I got
>> some adult help to program it and started her up and away she went. She
>> went through her whole program flawlessly.
>>
>> It may or may not screw up again, but I figure I just saved myself at
>> least $100 by doing nothing.
>>
> Hopefully, it was just a fluke and you'll have no more problems. But at least
> you got that load of dishes done.
>

Personally, I would rather to the dishes by hand. I find it more work to
load and unload a dishwasher than it is to do them by hand. My wife is
glad that it is working.

Dave Smith wrote:

> Last night my wife had the dish washer all loaded up and ready to go
> and it would not work. I had a look at it, but I have to admit that I
> don't really know how to run it because I never use it, but I gave it
> a try. There were blue lights and dashes on the panel, but nothing we
> did changed that. If in doubt, RTFM, so we did that. It suggested
> cutting the power for 15 seconds, which was easy enough to do because
> it is a portable. That didn't work. Online troubleshooting videos
> suggested removing the front panel and checking the lock switch.
>
> If that was the problem I would have to order parts. At that point I
> figured it was time to call a pro. Being Sunday night, there was no
> point in calling our go to repair man... and hope that he can make a
> house call. So...... I left it until the morning.
>
>
> In the morning I had other things to do and it was not until about 11
> am that I remembered the dishwasher problem. Instead of calling the
> repairman I thought I would give it another try. I moved it over to
> the sink, hooked up the hose, plugged it in and the lights came on.
> I got some adult help to program it and started her up and away she
> went. She went through her whole program flawlessly.
>
> It may or may not screw up again, but I figure I just saved myself at
> least $100 by doing nothing.


Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."

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Dave Smith wrote:

> On 2021-05-17 6:30 p.m., wrote:
> > On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 5:22:38 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> > > In the morning I had other things to do and it was not until
> > > about 11 am that I remembered the dishwasher problem. Instead of
> > > calling the repairman I thought I would give it another try. I
> > > moved it over to the sink, hooked up the hose, plugged it in and
> > > the lights came on. I got some adult help to program it and
> > > started her up and away she went. She went through her whole
> > > program flawlessly.
> > >
> > > It may or may not screw up again, but I figure I just saved
> > > myself at least $100 by doing nothing.
> > >
> > Hopefully, it was just a fluke and you'll have no more problems.
> > But at least you got that load of dishes done.
> >
>
> Personally, I would rather to the dishes by hand. I find it more work
> to load and unload a dishwasher than it is to do them by hand. My
> wife is glad that it is working.


Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."

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On 5/17/2021 6:44 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2021-05-17 6:30 p.m., wrote:
>> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 5:22:38 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>>> In the morning I had other things to do and it was not until about 11 am
>>> that I remembered the dishwasher problem. Instead of calling the
>>> repairman I thought I would give it another try. I moved it over to the
>>> sink, hooked up the hose, plugged it in and the lights came on. I got
>>> some adult help to program it and started her up and away she went. She
>>> went through her whole program flawlessly.
>>>
>>> It may or may not screw up again, but I figure I just saved myself at
>>> least $100 by doing nothing.
>>>
>> Hopefully, it was just a fluke and you'll have no more problems.Â* But
>> at least
>> you got that load of dishes done.
>>
>
> Personally, I would rather to the dishes by hand. I find it more work to
> load and unload a dishwasher than it is to do them by hand.Â* My wife is
> glad that it is working.

Not me. The DW gets things clean and sanitized. Putting dishes away
takes no time from my life. I did it this morning while waiting for
water to boil and while bacon was cooking. If not emptying the machine
I'd just be standing there.

If you wash by hand, they still have to dry and you still have to handle
them to put them away. Same time.

Only way to save time is to leave them in they drying rack and work from
there as needed and never put them in the cabinets.

On 5/17/2021 6:44 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> Personally, I would rather to the dishes by hand. I find it more work to
> load and unload a dishwasher than it is to do them by hand. My wife is
> glad that it is working.

Myself as well. If I had a dishwasher (I did my kitchen myself, I
didn't want to waste the cabinet space), it would just be a fancy
drying/storage rack, as my grandmother's is in her independent living
apartment.

On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 11:45:43 PM UTC-5, Michael Trew wrote:
> On 5/17/2021 6:44 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> > Personally, I would rather to the dishes by hand. I find it more work to
> > load and unload a dishwasher than it is to do them by hand. My wife is
> > glad that it is working.
> Myself as well. If I had a dishwasher (I did my kitchen myself, I
> didn't want to waste the cabinet space), it would just be a fancy
> drying/storage rack, as my grandmother's is in her independent living
> apartment.
>
I expect that my dishwasher will outlive me.
https://www.queenappliance.com/produ...ouchsteel.html
>
--Bryan

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> If you wash by hand, they still have to dry and you still have to handle
> them to put them away. Same time.
>
> Only way to save time is to leave them in the drying rack and work from
> there as needed and never put them in the cabinets.

That's what I do. Just a few things that I use for most meals.
I have a wooden drying rack that lives in corner between my sink and the
wall. Perfect fit. I just change out the kitchen towel underneath each
time I do laundry.

On Mon, 17 May 2021 22:23:50 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 5/17/2021 6:44 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2021-05-17 6:30 p.m., wrote:
>>> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 5:22:38 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>>> In the morning I had other things to do and it was not until about 11 am
>>>> that I remembered the dishwasher problem. Instead of calling the
>>>> repairman I thought I would give it another try. I moved it over to the
>>>> sink, hooked up the hose, plugged it in and the lights came on. I got
>>>> some adult help to program it and started her up and away she went. She
>>>> went through her whole program flawlessly.
>>>>
>>>> It may or may not screw up again, but I figure I just saved myself at
>>>> least $100 by doing nothing.
>>>>
>>> Hopefully, it was just a fluke and you'll have no more problems.* But
>>> at least
>>> you got that load of dishes done.
>>>
>>
>> Personally, I would rather to the dishes by hand. I find it more work to
>> load and unload a dishwasher than it is to do them by hand.* My wife is
>> glad that it is working.
>
>Not me. The DW gets things clean and sanitized. Putting dishes away
>takes no time from my life. I did it this morning while waiting for
>water to boil and while bacon was cooking. If not emptying the machine
>I'd just be standing there.
>
>If you wash by hand, they still have to dry and you still have to handle
>them to put them away. Same time.
>
>Only way to save time is to leave them in they drying rack and work from
>there as needed and never put them in the cabinets.

Paper Plates = 1,000/$9.99 = 2nd use Cat Food = Recycle Bin.
With all the fast food joints/take outs most eat from paper.
Paper is as sterile as Bandaids. Only hand washing I do is
glassware... dishwashers frost/etch good glassware. We have a dish
washing machine but very rarely use it.

In article >,
says...
> Personally, I would rather to the dishes by hand. I find it more work to
> load and unload a dishwasher than it is to do them by hand.

Ditto.

Ours came with the property and we very seldom use it. If it goes faulty
or dies I shan't repair or replace it.

Janet UK

On 5/18/2021 9:26 AM, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>> Personally, I would rather to the dishes by hand. I find it more work to
>> load and unload a dishwasher than it is to do them by hand.
>
> Ditto.
>
> Ours came with the property and we very seldom use it. If it goes faulty
> or dies I shan't repair or replace it.

I use mine to store pots and lids. Easier to get to than under the
counter cabinets.

On 5/18/2021 8:41 AM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
> On Mon, 17 May 2021 22:23:50 -0400, Ed > wrote:
>
>> On 5/17/2021 6:44 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2021-05-17 6:30 p.m., wrote:
>>>> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 5:22:38 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>>> In the morning I had other things to do and it was not until about 11 am
>>>>> that I remembered the dishwasher problem. Instead of calling the
>>>>> repairman I thought I would give it another try. I moved it over to the
>>>>> sink, hooked up the hose, plugged it in and the lights came on. I got
>>>>> some adult help to program it and started her up and away she went. She
>>>>> went through her whole program flawlessly.
>>>>>
>>>>> It may or may not screw up again, but I figure I just saved myself at
>>>>> least $100 by doing nothing.
>>>>>
>>>> Hopefully, it was just a fluke and you'll have no more problems. But
>>>> at least
>>>> you got that load of dishes done.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Personally, I would rather to the dishes by hand. I find it more work to
>>> load and unload a dishwasher than it is to do them by hand. My wife is
>>> glad that it is working.
>>
>> Not me. The DW gets things clean and sanitized. Putting dishes away
>> takes no time from my life. I did it this morning while waiting for
>> water to boil and while bacon was cooking. If not emptying the machine
>> I'd just be standing there.
>>
>> If you wash by hand, they still have to dry and you still have to handle
>> them to put them away. Same time.
>>
>> Only way to save time is to leave them in they drying rack and work from
>> there as needed and never put them in the cabinets.
>
> Paper Plates = 1,000/$9.99 = 2nd use Cat Food = Recycle Bin.
> With all the fast food joints/take outs most eat from paper.
> Paper is as sterile as Bandaids. Only hand washing I do is
> glassware... dishwashers frost/etch good glassware. We have a dish
> washing machine but very rarely use it.

I couldn't eat off of paper plates for every meal, but I will agree on
etching into the glassware... we had this issue with our dishwasher
growing up, and it didn't seem to matter the detergent. Plastic cups
got it worse, but I avoid plastic at all costs.

On 5/18/2021 4:14 AM, Bryan Simmons wrote:
> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 11:45:43 PM UTC-5, Michael Trew wrote:
>> On 5/17/2021 6:44 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> Personally, I would rather to the dishes by hand. I find it more work to
>>> load and unload a dishwasher than it is to do them by hand. My wife is
>>> glad that it is working.
>> Myself as well. If I had a dishwasher (I did my kitchen myself, I
>> didn't want to waste the cabinet space), it would just be a fancy
>> drying/storage rack, as my grandmother's is in her independent living
>> apartment.
>>
> I expect that my dishwasher will outlive me.
> https://www.queenappliance.com/produ...ouchsteel.html
>>
> --Bryan

Possibly, but the circuitry in these modern units makes me nervous on
longevity. When that starts to fail, I doubt there is a repair
available. The old units with manual controls and timers, that's what
I'd put money on for lasting forever with regular maintenance. That
goes for any appliances. I love my simple durable mid-century appliances.

On Tue, 18 May 2021 14:26:27 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article >,
>says...
>> Personally, I would rather to the dishes by hand. I find it more work to
>> load and unload a dishwasher than it is to do them by hand.
>
> Ditto.
>
>Ours came with the property and we very seldom use it. If it goes faulty
>or dies I shan't repair or replace it.
>
> Janet UK

I think it depends on the number of people. With a large family a
dishwasher can prove useful but for just the two of us it's much
easier to hand wash the few items. About the only times we use the
dishwasher is when we have company but that's rare these days as with
time those we'd invite are now long gone or have moved far away.
One thing a dishwasher does well is cleaning plastic freezer
containers as food fats have an affinity for clinging to plastics. Our
dishwasher has become the storage unit for plastic food storage
containers and waits until there are enough for turning it on. Pots
and pans are washed by hand as those tend to block the water spray and
also modern dish washing compounds are strong enough to dull the
finish of metal cookware, same as it does to fine glassware.
During the times I lived alone I never used the dishwasher as it took
too long before there was enough to turn it on and they made the
dishwasher stink... I hand wash the plastic food storage containers
for that reason, however handwashing alone doesn't remove the food
fats from plastics.

On 2021-05-18 11:21 a.m., Sheldon Martin wrote:
> On Tue, 18 May 2021 14:26:27 +0100, Janet > wrote:
Ditto.
>>
>> Ours came with the property and we very seldom use it. If it goes faulty
>> or dies I shan't repair or replace it.
>>
>> Janet UK
>
> I think it depends on the number of people. With a large family a
> dishwasher can prove useful but for just the two of us it's much
> easier to hand wash the few items. About the only times we use the
> dishwasher is when we have company but that's rare these days as with
> time those we'd invite are now long gone or have moved far away.


There is only two of us here and we have place settings for 8. We can
go at least two days before we need to run a load. However, we used pots
and pans, knives and other utensils that have to be cleaned. AFAIAC, it
is easier to wash a couple plates and cutlerly along with those things
that need to be done. It is maybe minute or two. I believe I am on
record as saying I hate loading and unloading the dishwasher.

On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 4:34:26 AM UTC-10, Michael Trew wrote:
> On 5/18/2021 4:14 AM, Bryan Simmons wrote:
> > On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 11:45:43 PM UTC-5, Michael Trew wrote:
> >> On 5/17/2021 6:44 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> >>> Personally, I would rather to the dishes by hand. I find it more work to
> >>> load and unload a dishwasher than it is to do them by hand. My wife is
> >>> glad that it is working.
> >> Myself as well. If I had a dishwasher (I did my kitchen myself, I
> >> didn't want to waste the cabinet space), it would just be a fancy
> >> drying/storage rack, as my grandmother's is in her independent living
> >> apartment.
> >>
> > I expect that my dishwasher will outlive me.
> > https://www.queenappliance.com/produ...ouchsteel.html
> >>
> > --Bryan
> Possibly, but the circuitry in these modern units makes me nervous on
> longevity. When that starts to fail, I doubt there is a repair
> available. The old units with manual controls and timers, that's what
> I'd put money on for lasting forever with regular maintenance. That
> goes for any appliances. I love my simple durable mid-century appliances.

The modern touch pad control panels seem to be affected by moisture and heat. They are repaired by replacing the entire panel. Finding new appliances with non-digital controls is tough these days. My guess is that such a line might be popular with a certain segment of the population. I've had to replace user control panels on dishwashers and refrigerators. My new refrigerator has no control panel but I assume all the system controls are digital these days. We pretty much have no choice in the matter.

On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 11:31:30 AM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2021-05-18 11:21 a.m., Sheldon Martin wrote:
> > On Tue, 18 May 2021 14:26:27 +0100, Janet > wrote:
> Ditto.
> >>
> >> Ours came with the property and we very seldom use it. If it goes faulty
> >> or dies I shan't repair or replace it.
> >>
> >> Janet UK
> >
> > I think it depends on the number of people. With a large family a
> > dishwasher can prove useful but for just the two of us it's much
> > easier to hand wash the few items. About the only times we use the
> > dishwasher is when we have company but that's rare these days as with
> > time those we'd invite are now long gone or have moved far away.
> There is only two of us here and we have place settings for 8. We can
> go at least two days before we need to run a load. However, we used pots
> and pans, knives and other utensils that have to be cleaned. AFAIAC, it
> is easier to wash a couple plates and cutlerly along with those things
> that need to be done. It is maybe minute or two. I believe I am on
> record as saying I hate loading and unloading the dishwasher.

Our pans go in the dishwasher. I'm tempted to buy dollar-store knives,
put them in the dishwasher, and replace them when they get trashed.
One minute of washing dishes by hand is more than I care to do.
That's why I had my husband install the dishwasher in the laundry
room when we started demolishing the kitchen.

Cindy Hamilton

On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 6:40:45 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 11:31:30 AM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> > On 2021-05-18 11:21 a.m., Sheldon Martin wrote:
> > > On Tue, 18 May 2021 14:26:27 +0100, Janet > wrote:
> > Ditto.
> > >>
> > >> Ours came with the property and we very seldom use it. If it goes faulty
> > >> or dies I shan't repair or replace it.
> > >>
> > >> Janet UK
> > >
> > > I think it depends on the number of people. With a large family a
> > > dishwasher can prove useful but for just the two of us it's much
> > > easier to hand wash the few items. About the only times we use the
> > > dishwasher is when we have company but that's rare these days as with
> > > time those we'd invite are now long gone or have moved far away.
> > There is only two of us here and we have place settings for 8. We can
> > go at least two days before we need to run a load. However, we used pots
> > and pans, knives and other utensils that have to be cleaned. AFAIAC, it
> > is easier to wash a couple plates and cutlerly along with those things
> > that need to be done. It is maybe minute or two. I believe I am on
> > record as saying I hate loading and unloading the dishwasher.
> Our pans go in the dishwasher. I'm tempted to buy dollar-store knives,
> put them in the dishwasher, and replace them when they get trashed.
> One minute of washing dishes by hand is more than I care to do.
> That's why I had my husband install the dishwasher in the laundry
> room when we started demolishing the kitchen.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

I have been recycling plastic knives, forks, and spoons, in a dishwasher. It works pretty spiffy. It's a nutty idea that works.

On 5/18/2021 11:56 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 4:34:26 AM UTC-10, Michael Trew wrote:
>> On 5/18/2021 4:14 AM, Bryan Simmons wrote:
>>> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 11:45:43 PM UTC-5, Michael Trew wrote:
>>>> On 5/17/2021 6:44 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>> Personally, I would rather to the dishes by hand. I find it more work to
>>>>> load and unload a dishwasher than it is to do them by hand. My wife is
>>>>> glad that it is working.
>>>> Myself as well. If I had a dishwasher (I did my kitchen myself, I
>>>> didn't want to waste the cabinet space), it would just be a fancy
>>>> drying/storage rack, as my grandmother's is in her independent living
>>>> apartment.
>>>>
>>> I expect that my dishwasher will outlive me.
>>> https://www.queenappliance.com/produ...ouchsteel.html
>>>>
>>> --Bryan
>> Possibly, but the circuitry in these modern units makes me nervous on
>> longevity. When that starts to fail, I doubt there is a repair
>> available. The old units with manual controls and timers, that's what
>> I'd put money on for lasting forever with regular maintenance. That
>> goes for any appliances. I love my simple durable mid-century appliances.
>
> The modern touch pad control panels seem to be affected by moisture and heat. They are repaired by replacing the entire panel. Finding new appliances with non-digital controls is tough these days. My guess is that such a line might be popular with a certain segment of the population. I've had to replace user control panels on dishwashers and refrigerators. My new refrigerator has no control panel but I assume all the system controls are digital these days. We pretty much have no choice in the matter.

The one time that I bought a new window a/c unit, a few years ago, it
was $100 at a big-box store, only 5K BTU, and it still had manual dial
controls. I do believe they still sell the same model, but it goes up
in price each year, at least $120 now. Otherwise, agreed, it's very
difficult to find non-touch pad or digitally controlled appliances. I
shopped for almost all appliances that I own used, most of which being
older than my parents.

On 5/18/2021 11:21 AM, Sheldon Martin wrote:
> I hand wash the plastic food storage containers
> for that reason, however handwashing alone doesn't remove the food
> fats from plastics.

Not to mention acidic things like tomato sauce that turns the plastic
orange. After enough of that, even a dishwasher won't help. I avoid
plastic Tupperware at all costs... it never feels even remotely clean.

On Tue, 18 May 2021 09:40:41 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 11:31:30 AM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2021-05-18 11:21 a.m., Sheldon Martin wrote:
>> > On Tue, 18 May 2021 14:26:27 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>> Ditto.
>> >>
>> >> Ours came with the property and we very seldom use it. If it goes faulty
>> >> or dies I shan't repair or replace it.
>> >>
>> >> Janet UK
>> >
>> > I think it depends on the number of people. With a large family a
>> > dishwasher can prove useful but for just the two of us it's much
>> > easier to hand wash the few items. About the only times we use the
>> > dishwasher is when we have company but that's rare these days as with
>> > time those we'd invite are now long gone or have moved far away.
>> There is only two of us here and we have place settings for 8. We can
>> go at least two days before we need to run a load. However, we used pots
>> and pans, knives and other utensils that have to be cleaned. AFAIAC, it
>> is easier to wash a couple plates and cutlerly along with those things
>> that need to be done. It is maybe minute or two. I believe I am on
>> record as saying I hate loading and unloading the dishwasher.
>
>Our pans go in the dishwasher. I'm tempted to buy dollar-store knives,
>put them in the dishwasher, and replace them when they get trashed.
>One minute of washing dishes by hand is more than I care to do.
>That's why I had my husband install the dishwasher in the laundry
>room when we started demolishing the kitchen.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

I'm with you, if it can't go in the dishwasher, doesn't live here!
Washing dishes by hand has to be the dullest, dumbest job ever.

On Tue, 18 May 2021 14:11:07 -0300, Lucretia Borgia
> wrote:

>On Tue, 18 May 2021 09:40:41 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:
>
>>On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 11:31:30 AM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2021-05-18 11:21 a.m., Sheldon Martin wrote:
>>> > On Tue, 18 May 2021 14:26:27 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>>> Ditto.
>>> >>
>>> >> Ours came with the property and we very seldom use it. If it goes faulty
>>> >> or dies I shan't repair or replace it.
>>> >>
>>> >> Janet UK
>>> >
>>> > I think it depends on the number of people. With a large family a
>>> > dishwasher can prove useful but for just the two of us it's much
>>> > easier to hand wash the few items. About the only times we use the
>>> > dishwasher is when we have company but that's rare these days as with
>>> > time those we'd invite are now long gone or have moved far away.
>>> There is only two of us here and we have place settings for 8. We can
>>> go at least two days before we need to run a load. However, we used pots
>>> and pans, knives and other utensils that have to be cleaned. AFAIAC, it
>>> is easier to wash a couple plates and cutlerly along with those things
>>> that need to be done. It is maybe minute or two. I believe I am on
>>> record as saying I hate loading and unloading the dishwasher.
>>
>>Our pans go in the dishwasher. I'm tempted to buy dollar-store knives,
>>put them in the dishwasher, and replace them when they get trashed.
>>One minute of washing dishes by hand is more than I care to do.
>>That's why I had my husband install the dishwasher in the laundry
>>room when we started demolishing the kitchen.
>>
>>Cindy Hamilton
>
>I'm with you, if it can't go in the dishwasher, doesn't live here!
>Washing dishes by hand has to be the dullest, dumbest job ever.

Doesn't get dumber than Dollar Store cutlery. We use paper plates
whenever possible. We don't need dishes to eat a sandwhich... often
I'll eat off a small cutting board.

On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 2:01:31 PM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
> On Tue, 18 May 2021 14:11:07 -0300, Lucretia Borgia
> > wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 18 May 2021 09:40:41 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
> >
> >>On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 11:31:30 AM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> >>> On 2021-05-18 11:21 a.m., Sheldon Martin wrote:
> >>> > On Tue, 18 May 2021 14:26:27 +0100, Janet > wrote:
> >>> Ditto.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Ours came with the property and we very seldom use it. If it goes faulty
> >>> >> or dies I shan't repair or replace it.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Janet UK
> >>> >
> >>> > I think it depends on the number of people. With a large family a
> >>> > dishwasher can prove useful but for just the two of us it's much
> >>> > easier to hand wash the few items. About the only times we use the
> >>> > dishwasher is when we have company but that's rare these days as with
> >>> > time those we'd invite are now long gone or have moved far away.
> >>> There is only two of us here and we have place settings for 8. We can
> >>> go at least two days before we need to run a load. However, we used pots
> >>> and pans, knives and other utensils that have to be cleaned. AFAIAC, it
> >>> is easier to wash a couple plates and cutlerly along with those things
> >>> that need to be done. It is maybe minute or two. I believe I am on
> >>> record as saying I hate loading and unloading the dishwasher.
> >>
> >>Our pans go in the dishwasher. I'm tempted to buy dollar-store knives,
> >>put them in the dishwasher, and replace them when they get trashed.
> >>One minute of washing dishes by hand is more than I care to do.
> >>That's why I had my husband install the dishwasher in the laundry
> >>room when we started demolishing the kitchen.
> >>
> >>Cindy Hamilton
> >
> >I'm with you, if it can't go in the dishwasher, doesn't live here!
> >Washing dishes by hand has to be the dullest, dumbest job ever.
> Doesn't get dumber than Dollar Store cutlery. We use paper plates
> whenever possible. We don't need dishes to eat a sandwhich... often
> I'll eat off a small cutting board.

I'm talking about sharp knives. I wash those by hand.

It's obvious you read only enough to get wound up for your rant.

Cindy Hamilton

On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 2:34:10 PM UTC-4, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 2:01:31 PM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
> > On Tue, 18 May 2021 14:11:07 -0300, Lucretia Borgia
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >On Tue, 18 May 2021 09:40:41 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >>On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 11:31:30 AM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> > >>> On 2021-05-18 11:21 a.m., Sheldon Martin wrote:
> > >>> > On Tue, 18 May 2021 14:26:27 +0100, Janet > wrote:
> > >>> Ditto.
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> Ours came with the property and we very seldom use it. If it goes faulty
> > >>> >> or dies I shan't repair or replace it.
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> Janet UK
> > >>> >
> > >>> > I think it depends on the number of people. With a large family a
> > >>> > dishwasher can prove useful but for just the two of us it's much
> > >>> > easier to hand wash the few items. About the only times we use the
> > >>> > dishwasher is when we have company but that's rare these days as with
> > >>> > time those we'd invite are now long gone or have moved far away.
> > >>> There is only two of us here and we have place settings for 8. We can
> > >>> go at least two days before we need to run a load. However, we used pots
> > >>> and pans, knives and other utensils that have to be cleaned. AFAIAC, it
> > >>> is easier to wash a couple plates and cutlerly along with those things
> > >>> that need to be done. It is maybe minute or two. I believe I am on
> > >>> record as saying I hate loading and unloading the dishwasher.
> > >>
> > >>Our pans go in the dishwasher. I'm tempted to buy dollar-store knives,
> > >>put them in the dishwasher, and replace them when they get trashed.
> > >>One minute of washing dishes by hand is more than I care to do.
> > >>That's why I had my husband install the dishwasher in the laundry
> > >>room when we started demolishing the kitchen.
> > >>
> > >>Cindy Hamilton
> > >
> > >I'm with you, if it can't go in the dishwasher, doesn't live here!
> > >Washing dishes by hand has to be the dullest, dumbest job ever.
> > Doesn't get dumber than Dollar Store cutlery. We use paper plates
> > whenever possible. We don't need dishes to eat a sandwhich... often
> > I'll eat off a small cutting board.
> I'm talking about sharp knives. I wash those by hand.
>
> It's obvious you read only enough to get wound up for your rant.

And you don't?

On Tue, 18 May 2021 14:01:24 -0400, Sheldon Martin >
wrote:

>On Tue, 18 May 2021 14:11:07 -0300, Lucretia Borgia
> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 18 May 2021 09:40:41 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 11:31:30 AM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 2021-05-18 11:21 a.m., Sheldon Martin wrote:
>>>> > On Tue, 18 May 2021 14:26:27 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>>>> Ditto.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Ours came with the property and we very seldom use it. If it goes faulty
>>>> >> or dies I shan't repair or replace it.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Janet UK
>>>> >
>>>> > I think it depends on the number of people. With a large family a
>>>> > dishwasher can prove useful but for just the two of us it's much
>>>> > easier to hand wash the few items. About the only times we use the
>>>> > dishwasher is when we have company but that's rare these days as with
>>>> > time those we'd invite are now long gone or have moved far away.
>>>> There is only two of us here and we have place settings for 8. We can
>>>> go at least two days before we need to run a load. However, we used pots
>>>> and pans, knives and other utensils that have to be cleaned. AFAIAC, it
>>>> is easier to wash a couple plates and cutlerly along with those things
>>>> that need to be done. It is maybe minute or two. I believe I am on
>>>> record as saying I hate loading and unloading the dishwasher.
>>>
>>>Our pans go in the dishwasher. I'm tempted to buy dollar-store knives,
>>>put them in the dishwasher, and replace them when they get trashed.
>>>One minute of washing dishes by hand is more than I care to do.
>>>That's why I had my husband install the dishwasher in the laundry
>>>room when we started demolishing the kitchen.
>>>
>>>Cindy Hamilton
>>
>>I'm with you, if it can't go in the dishwasher, doesn't live here!
>>Washing dishes by hand has to be the dullest, dumbest job ever.
>
>Doesn't get dumber than Dollar Store cutlery. We use paper plates
>whenever possible. We don't need dishes to eat a sandwhich... often
>I'll eat off a small cutting board.

Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."

On Tue, 18 May 2021 14:11:07 -0300, Lucretia Borgia
> wrote:

>On Tue, 18 May 2021 09:40:41 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:
>
>>On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 11:31:30 AM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2021-05-18 11:21 a.m., Sheldon Martin wrote:
>>> > On Tue, 18 May 2021 14:26:27 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>>> Ditto.
>>> >>
>>> >> Ours came with the property and we very seldom use it. If it goes faulty
>>> >> or dies I shan't repair or replace it.
>>> >>
>>> >> Janet UK
>>> >
>>> > I think it depends on the number of people. With a large family a
>>> > dishwasher can prove useful but for just the two of us it's much
>>> > easier to hand wash the few items. About the only times we use the
>>> > dishwasher is when we have company but that's rare these days as with
>>> > time those we'd invite are now long gone or have moved far away.
>>> There is only two of us here and we have place settings for 8. We can
>>> go at least two days before we need to run a load. However, we used pots
>>> and pans, knives and other utensils that have to be cleaned. AFAIAC, it
>>> is easier to wash a couple plates and cutlerly along with those things
>>> that need to be done. It is maybe minute or two. I believe I am on
>>> record as saying I hate loading and unloading the dishwasher.
>>
>>Our pans go in the dishwasher. I'm tempted to buy dollar-store knives,
>>put them in the dishwasher, and replace them when they get trashed.
>>One minute of washing dishes by hand is more than I care to do.
>>That's why I had my husband install the dishwasher in the laundry
>>room when we started demolishing the kitchen.
>>
>>Cindy Hamilton
>
>I'm with you, if it can't go in the dishwasher, doesn't live here!
>Washing dishes by hand has to be the dullest, dumbest job ever.

Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."

On Tue, 18 May 2021 09:51:31 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 6:40:45 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 11:31:30 AM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
>> > On 2021-05-18 11:21 a.m., Sheldon Martin wrote:
>> > > On Tue, 18 May 2021 14:26:27 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>> > Ditto.
>> > >>
>> > >> Ours came with the property and we very seldom use it. If it goes faulty
>> > >> or dies I shan't repair or replace it.
>> > >>
>> > >> Janet UK
>> > >
>> > > I think it depends on the number of people. With a large family a
>> > > dishwasher can prove useful but for just the two of us it's much
>> > > easier to hand wash the few items. About the only times we use the
>> > > dishwasher is when we have company but that's rare these days as with
>> > > time those we'd invite are now long gone or have moved far away.
>> > There is only two of us here and we have place settings for 8. We can
>> > go at least two days before we need to run a load. However, we used pots
>> > and pans, knives and other utensils that have to be cleaned. AFAIAC, it
>> > is easier to wash a couple plates and cutlerly along with those things
>> > that need to be done. It is maybe minute or two. I believe I am on
>> > record as saying I hate loading and unloading the dishwasher.
>> Our pans go in the dishwasher. I'm tempted to buy dollar-store knives,
>> put them in the dishwasher, and replace them when they get trashed.
>> One minute of washing dishes by hand is more than I care to do.
>> That's why I had my husband install the dishwasher in the laundry
>> room when we started demolishing the kitchen.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
>I have been recycling plastic knives, forks, and spoons, in a dishwasher. It works pretty spiffy. It's a nutty idea that works.

Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."

On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 6:54:53 AM UTC-10, Michael Trew wrote:
> On 5/18/2021 11:56 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 4:34:26 AM UTC-10, Michael Trew wrote:
> >> On 5/18/2021 4:14 AM, Bryan Simmons wrote:
> >>> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 11:45:43 PM UTC-5, Michael Trew wrote:
> >>>> On 5/17/2021 6:44 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> >>>>> Personally, I would rather to the dishes by hand. I find it more work to
> >>>>> load and unload a dishwasher than it is to do them by hand. My wife is
> >>>>> glad that it is working.
> >>>> Myself as well. If I had a dishwasher (I did my kitchen myself, I
> >>>> didn't want to waste the cabinet space), it would just be a fancy
> >>>> drying/storage rack, as my grandmother's is in her independent living
> >>>> apartment.
> >>>>
> >>> I expect that my dishwasher will outlive me.
> >>> https://www.queenappliance.com/produ...ouchsteel.html
> >>>>
> >>> --Bryan
> >> Possibly, but the circuitry in these modern units makes me nervous on
> >> longevity. When that starts to fail, I doubt there is a repair
> >> available. The old units with manual controls and timers, that's what
> >> I'd put money on for lasting forever with regular maintenance. That
> >> goes for any appliances. I love my simple durable mid-century appliances.
> >
> > The modern touch pad control panels seem to be affected by moisture and heat. They are repaired by replacing the entire panel. Finding new appliances with non-digital controls is tough these days. My guess is that such a line might be popular with a certain segment of the population. I've had to replace user control panels on dishwashers and refrigerators. My new refrigerator has no control panel but I assume all the system controls are digital these days. We pretty much have no choice in the matter.
> The one time that I bought a new window a/c unit, a few years ago, it
> was $100 at a big-box store, only 5K BTU, and it still had manual dial
> controls. I do believe they still sell the same model, but it goes up
> in price each year, at least $120 now. Otherwise, agreed, it's very
> difficult to find non-touch pad or digitally controlled appliances. I
> shopped for almost all appliances that I own used, most of which being
> older than my parents.

My guess is that window AC units with digital controls are more reliable than dishwashers - that's just my feeling, for what that's worth. Probably nothing. The main problem with cheap AC units is that they tend to be noisy. The unit we got now is really loud. The first one we got, a Panasonic, was just great, noise-wise.

On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 3:45:03 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 6:54:53 AM UTC-10, Michael Trew wrote:
> > On 5/18/2021 11:56 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 4:34:26 AM UTC-10, Michael Trew wrote:
> > >> On 5/18/2021 4:14 AM, Bryan Simmons wrote:
> > >>> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 11:45:43 PM UTC-5, Michael Trew wrote:
> > >>>> On 5/17/2021 6:44 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> > >>>>> Personally, I would rather to the dishes by hand. I find it more work to
> > >>>>> load and unload a dishwasher than it is to do them by hand. My wife is
> > >>>>> glad that it is working.
> > >>>> Myself as well. If I had a dishwasher (I did my kitchen myself, I
> > >>>> didn't want to waste the cabinet space), it would just be a fancy
> > >>>> drying/storage rack, as my grandmother's is in her independent living
> > >>>> apartment.
> > >>>>
> > >>> I expect that my dishwasher will outlive me.
> > >>> https://www.queenappliance.com/produ...ouchsteel.html
> > >>>>
> > >>> --Bryan
> > >> Possibly, but the circuitry in these modern units makes me nervous on
> > >> longevity. When that starts to fail, I doubt there is a repair
> > >> available. The old units with manual controls and timers, that's what
> > >> I'd put money on for lasting forever with regular maintenance. That
> > >> goes for any appliances. I love my simple durable mid-century appliances.
> > >
> > > The modern touch pad control panels seem to be affected by moisture and heat. They are repaired by replacing the entire panel. Finding new appliances with non-digital controls is tough these days. My guess is that such a line might be popular with a certain segment of the population. I've had to replace user control panels on dishwashers and refrigerators. My new refrigerator has no control panel but I assume all the system controls are digital these days. We pretty much have no choice in the matter.
> > The one time that I bought a new window a/c unit, a few years ago, it
> > was $100 at a big-box store, only 5K BTU, and it still had manual dial
> > controls. I do believe they still sell the same model, but it goes up
> > in price each year, at least $120 now. Otherwise, agreed, it's very
> > difficult to find non-touch pad or digitally controlled appliances. I
> > shopped for almost all appliances that I own used, most of which being
> > older than my parents.
> My guess is that window AC units with digital controls are more reliable than dishwashers - that's just my feeling, for what that's worth. Probably nothing. The main problem with cheap AC units is that they tend to be noisy. The unit we got now is really loud. The first one we got, a Panasonic, was just great, noise-wise.
>
Miele dishwashers are legendary for reliability. They don't get your dishes
cleaner. They just don't break. Same with Speed Queen clothes washers.
I would have saved money in the long run had I bought one the first time.
Our microwave is an LG, knockoff of the Panasonic inverter unit, but fairly
comparable, with a 10 year warranty.

The Miele dishwasher is super quiet, which has a downside. If you forget
whether you started the dishwasher, you have to go in right in front of it to
tell.

Dinner tonight is Italian beef sandwiches on Italian bread. I pounded
ribeye steak and seasoned it with fennel and white pepper, and I'll salt it
as I pan sear it. I sauteed some mushrooms to go on the sandwiches.
>
--Bryan

On Tue, 18 May 2021 15:28:59 -0700 (PDT), Bryan Simmons
> wrote:

>Miele dishwashers are legendary for reliability. They don't get your dishes
>cleaner. They just don't break.
>
It's the Mercedes among white goods.
>
(...)
>
>The Miele dishwasher is super quiet, which has a downside. If you forget
>whether you started the dishwasher, you have to go in right in front of it to
>tell.
>
That's good. You're trained to use your memory.
>
PS: You're using the Usenet interface for retards (just a friendly
reminder).
>

Joe Silverbeet wrote:
> On Tue, 18 May 2021 15:28:59 -0700 (PDT), Bryan Simmons
> > wrote:
>
>> Miele dishwashers are legendary for reliability. They don't get your dishes
>> cleaner. They just don't break.
>>
> It's the Mercedes among white goods.
>>
> (...)
>>
>> The Miele dishwasher is super quiet, which has a downside. If you forget
>> whether you started the dishwasher, you have to go in right in front of it to
>> tell.
>>
> That's good. You're trained to use your memory.
>>
> PS: You're using the Usenet interface for retards (just a friendly
> reminder).

Have another whiff master doctor.

On Tue, 18 May 2021 13:44:53 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 6:54:53 AM UTC-10, Michael Trew wrote:
>> On 5/18/2021 11:56 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>> > On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 4:34:26 AM UTC-10, Michael Trew wrote:
>> >> On 5/18/2021 4:14 AM, Bryan Simmons wrote:
>> >>> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 11:45:43 PM UTC-5, Michael Trew wrote:
>> >>>> On 5/17/2021 6:44 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> >>>>> Personally, I would rather to the dishes by hand. I find it more work to
>> >>>>> load and unload a dishwasher than it is to do them by hand. My wife is
>> >>>>> glad that it is working.
>> >>>> Myself as well. If I had a dishwasher (I did my kitchen myself, I
>> >>>> didn't want to waste the cabinet space), it would just be a fancy
>> >>>> drying/storage rack, as my grandmother's is in her independent living
>> >>>> apartment.
>> >>>>
>> >>> I expect that my dishwasher will outlive me.
>> >>> https://www.queenappliance.com/produ...ouchsteel.html
>> >>>>
>> >>> --Bryan
>> >> Possibly, but the circuitry in these modern units makes me nervous on
>> >> longevity. When that starts to fail, I doubt there is a repair
>> >> available. The old units with manual controls and timers, that's what
>> >> I'd put money on for lasting forever with regular maintenance. That
>> >> goes for any appliances. I love my simple durable mid-century appliances.
>> >
>> > The modern touch pad control panels seem to be affected by moisture and heat. They are repaired by replacing the entire panel. Finding new appliances with non-digital controls is tough these days. My guess is that such a line might be popular with a certain segment of the population. I've had to replace user control panels on dishwashers and refrigerators. My new refrigerator has no control panel but I assume all the system controls are digital these days. We pretty much have no choice in the matter.
>> The one time that I bought a new window a/c unit, a few years ago, it
>> was $100 at a big-box store, only 5K BTU, and it still had manual dial
>> controls. I do believe they still sell the same model, but it goes up
>> in price each year, at least $120 now. Otherwise, agreed, it's very
>> difficult to find non-touch pad or digitally controlled appliances. I
>> shopped for almost all appliances that I own used, most of which being
>> older than my parents.
>
>My guess is that window AC units with digital controls are more reliable than dishwashers - that's just my feeling, for what that's worth. Probably nothing. The main problem with cheap AC units is that they tend to be noisy. The unit we got now is really loud. The first one we got, a Panasonic, was just great, noise-wise.
Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."
--
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On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 12:29:02 PM UTC-10, wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 3:45:03 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 6:54:53 AM UTC-10, Michael Trew wrote:
> > > On 5/18/2021 11:56 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 4:34:26 AM UTC-10, Michael Trew wrote:
> > > >> On 5/18/2021 4:14 AM, Bryan Simmons wrote:
> > > >>> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 11:45:43 PM UTC-5, Michael Trew wrote:
> > > >>>> On 5/17/2021 6:44 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> > > >>>>> Personally, I would rather to the dishes by hand. I find it more work to
> > > >>>>> load and unload a dishwasher than it is to do them by hand. My wife is
> > > >>>>> glad that it is working.
> > > >>>> Myself as well. If I had a dishwasher (I did my kitchen myself, I
> > > >>>> didn't want to waste the cabinet space), it would just be a fancy
> > > >>>> drying/storage rack, as my grandmother's is in her independent living
> > > >>>> apartment.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>> I expect that my dishwasher will outlive me.
> > > >>> https://www.queenappliance.com/produ...ouchsteel.html
> > > >>>>
> > > >>> --Bryan
> > > >> Possibly, but the circuitry in these modern units makes me nervous on
> > > >> longevity. When that starts to fail, I doubt there is a repair
> > > >> available. The old units with manual controls and timers, that's what
> > > >> I'd put money on for lasting forever with regular maintenance. That
> > > >> goes for any appliances. I love my simple durable mid-century appliances.
> > > >
> > > > The modern touch pad control panels seem to be affected by moisture and heat. They are repaired by replacing the entire panel. Finding new appliances with non-digital controls is tough these days. My guess is that such a line might be popular with a certain segment of the population. I've had to replace user control panels on dishwashers and refrigerators. My new refrigerator has no control panel but I assume all the system controls are digital these days. We pretty much have no choice in the matter.
> > > The one time that I bought a new window a/c unit, a few years ago, it
> > > was $100 at a big-box store, only 5K BTU, and it still had manual dial
> > > controls. I do believe they still sell the same model, but it goes up
> > > in price each year, at least $120 now. Otherwise, agreed, it's very
> > > difficult to find non-touch pad or digitally controlled appliances. I
> > > shopped for almost all appliances that I own used, most of which being
> > > older than my parents.
> > My guess is that window AC units with digital controls are more reliable than dishwashers - that's just my feeling, for what that's worth. Probably nothing. The main problem with cheap AC units is that they tend to be noisy. The unit we got now is really loud. The first one we got, a Panasonic, was just great, noise-wise.
> >
> Miele dishwashers are legendary for reliability. They don't get your dishes
> cleaner. They just don't break. Same with Speed Queen clothes washers.
> I would have saved money in the long run had I bought one the first time.
> Our microwave is an LG, knockoff of the Panasonic inverter unit, but fairly
> comparable, with a 10 year warranty.
>
> The Miele dishwasher is super quiet, which has a downside. If you forget
> whether you started the dishwasher, you have to go in right in front of it to
> tell.
>
> Dinner tonight is Italian beef sandwiches on Italian bread. I pounded
> ribeye steak and seasoned it with fennel and white pepper, and I'll salt it
> as I pan sear it. I sauteed some mushrooms to go on the sandwiches.
> >
> --Bryan
Buying a fancy Euro-appliance doesn't seem to be in my future. If I marry a rich old lady, I shall, of course, insist on the finest appliances that her money can buy. It makes me happy just thinking about it!
Your meal plan seems solid. I can't say that I know anything about Italian beef sandwiches though. No matter, I don't need to know anything about it to eat it.

On Tue, 18 May 2021 16:35:27 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 12:29:02 PM UTC-10, wrote:
>> On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 3:45:03 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
>> > On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 6:54:53 AM UTC-10, Michael Trew wrote:
>> > > On 5/18/2021 11:56 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>> > > > On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 4:34:26 AM UTC-10, Michael Trew wrote:
>> > > >> On 5/18/2021 4:14 AM, Bryan Simmons wrote:
>> > > >>> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 11:45:43 PM UTC-5, Michael Trew wrote:
>> > > >>>> On 5/17/2021 6:44 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> > > >>>>> Personally, I would rather to the dishes by hand. I find it more work to
>> > > >>>>> load and unload a dishwasher than it is to do them by hand. My wife is
>> > > >>>>> glad that it is working.
>> > > >>>> Myself as well. If I had a dishwasher (I did my kitchen myself, I
>> > > >>>> didn't want to waste the cabinet space), it would just be a fancy
>> > > >>>> drying/storage rack, as my grandmother's is in her independent living
>> > > >>>> apartment.
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>> I expect that my dishwasher will outlive me.
>> > > >>> https://www.queenappliance.com/produ...ouchsteel.html
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>> --Bryan
>> > > >> Possibly, but the circuitry in these modern units makes me nervous on
>> > > >> longevity. When that starts to fail, I doubt there is a repair
>> > > >> available. The old units with manual controls and timers, that's what
>> > > >> I'd put money on for lasting forever with regular maintenance. That
>> > > >> goes for any appliances. I love my simple durable mid-century appliances.
>> > > >
>> > > > The modern touch pad control panels seem to be affected by moisture and heat. They are repaired by replacing the entire panel. Finding new appliances with non-digital controls is tough these days. My guess is that such a line might be popular with a certain segment of the population. I've had to replace user control panels on dishwashers and refrigerators. My new refrigerator has no control panel but I assume all the system controls are digital these days. We pretty much have no choice in the matter.
>> > > The one time that I bought a new window a/c unit, a few years ago, it
>> > > was $100 at a big-box store, only 5K BTU, and it still had manual dial
>> > > controls. I do believe they still sell the same model, but it goes up
>> > > in price each year, at least $120 now. Otherwise, agreed, it's very
>> > > difficult to find non-touch pad or digitally controlled appliances. I
>> > > shopped for almost all appliances that I own used, most of which being
>> > > older than my parents.
>> > My guess is that window AC units with digital controls are more reliable than dishwashers - that's just my feeling, for what that's worth. Probably nothing. The main problem with cheap AC units is that they tend to be noisy. The unit we got now is really loud. The first one we got, a Panasonic, was just great, noise-wise.
>> >
>> Miele dishwashers are legendary for reliability. They don't get your dishes
>> cleaner. They just don't break. Same with Speed Queen clothes washers.
>> I would have saved money in the long run had I bought one the first time.
>> Our microwave is an LG, knockoff of the Panasonic inverter unit, but fairly
>> comparable, with a 10 year warranty.
>>
>> The Miele dishwasher is super quiet, which has a downside. If you forget
>> whether you started the dishwasher, you have to go in right in front of it to
>> tell.
>>
>> Dinner tonight is Italian beef sandwiches on Italian bread. I pounded
>> ribeye steak and seasoned it with fennel and white pepper, and I'll salt it
>> as I pan sear it. I sauteed some mushrooms to go on the sandwiches.
>> >
>> --Bryan
>Buying a fancy Euro-appliance doesn't seem to be in my future. If I marry a rich old lady, I shall, of course, insist on the finest appliances that her money can buy. It makes me happy just thinking about it!
>Your meal plan seems solid. I can't say that I know anything about Italian beef sandwiches though. No matter, I don't need to know anything about it to eat it.
Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."

On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 6:35:32 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 12:29:02 PM UTC-10, wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 3:45:03 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 6:54:53 AM UTC-10, Michael Trew wrote:
> > > > On 5/18/2021 11:56 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 4:34:26 AM UTC-10, Michael Trew wrote:
> > > > >> On 5/18/2021 4:14 AM, Bryan Simmons wrote:
> > > > >>> On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 11:45:43 PM UTC-5, Michael Trew wrote:
> > > > >>>> On 5/17/2021 6:44 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> > > > >>>>> Personally, I would rather to the dishes by hand. I find it more work to
> > > > >>>>> load and unload a dishwasher than it is to do them by hand. My wife is
> > > > >>>>> glad that it is working.
> > > > >>>> Myself as well. If I had a dishwasher (I did my kitchen myself, I
> > > > >>>> didn't want to waste the cabinet space), it would just be a fancy
> > > > >>>> drying/storage rack, as my grandmother's is in her independent living
> > > > >>>> apartment.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> I expect that my dishwasher will outlive me.
> > > > >>> https://www.queenappliance.com/produ...ouchsteel.html
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>> --Bryan
> > > > >> Possibly, but the circuitry in these modern units makes me nervous on
> > > > >> longevity. When that starts to fail, I doubt there is a repair
> > > > >> available. The old units with manual controls and timers, that's what
> > > > >> I'd put money on for lasting forever with regular maintenance. That
> > > > >> goes for any appliances. I love my simple durable mid-century appliances.
> > > > >
> > > > > The modern touch pad control panels seem to be affected by moisture and heat. They are repaired by replacing the entire panel. Finding new appliances with non-digital controls is tough these days. My guess is that such a line might be popular with a certain segment of the population. I've had to replace user control panels on dishwashers and refrigerators. My new refrigerator has no control panel but I assume all the system controls are digital these days. We pretty much have no choice in the matter.
> > > > The one time that I bought a new window a/c unit, a few years ago, it
> > > > was $100 at a big-box store, only 5K BTU, and it still had manual dial
> > > > controls. I do believe they still sell the same model, but it goes up
> > > > in price each year, at least $120 now. Otherwise, agreed, it's very
> > > > difficult to find non-touch pad or digitally controlled appliances. I
> > > > shopped for almost all appliances that I own used, most of which being
> > > > older than my parents.
> > > My guess is that window AC units with digital controls are more reliable than dishwashers - that's just my feeling, for what that's worth. Probably nothing. The main problem with cheap AC units is that they tend to be noisy. The unit we got now is really loud. The first one we got, a Panasonic, was just great, noise-wise.
> > >
> > Miele dishwashers are legendary for reliability. They don't get your dishes
> > cleaner. They just don't break. Same with Speed Queen clothes washers.
> > I would have saved money in the long run had I bought one the first time.
> > Our microwave is an LG, knockoff of the Panasonic inverter unit, but fairly
> > comparable, with a 10 year warranty.
> >
> > The Miele dishwasher is super quiet, which has a downside. If you forget
> > whether you started the dishwasher, you have to go in right in front of it to
> > tell.
> >
> > Dinner tonight is Italian beef sandwiches on Italian bread. I pounded
> > ribeye steak and seasoned it with fennel and white pepper, and I'll salt it
> > as I pan sear it. I sauteed some mushrooms to go on the sandwiches.
> > >
> > --Bryan
> Buying a fancy Euro-appliance doesn't seem to be in my future. If I marry a rich old lady, I shall, of course, insist on the finest appliances that her money can buy. It makes me happy just thinking about it!
> Your meal plan seems solid. I can't say that I know anything about Italian beef sandwiches though. No matter, I don't need to know anything about it to eat it.
>
I bought powdered fennel at the Italian grocery. I was careful not to use
too much, but I should have used a bit more. The beef was very tender
after pounding, and one ribeye was plenty for my wife and me, and was
worthy of the excellent Italian bread.
>
--Bryan

On 5/18/2021 4:44 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> My guess is that window AC units with digital controls are more reliable than dishwashers - that's just my feeling, for what that's worth. Probably nothing. The main problem with cheap AC units is that they tend to be noisy. The unit we got now is really loud. The first one we got, a Panasonic, was just great, noise-wise.

I would say yes, more reliable, in the way that they are less likely to
have the electronic controls exposed to water, but otherwise I'd think
it's all about the same. Yes, the cheap-o model was quite noisey, but
it never bothered me much. I can't sleep with the TV or radio on...
varying noises bother me, but constant noises like the A/C running or a
fan are OK.

I occasionally use the cheap one in my bedroom, but the only A/C that I
typically use is an absurdly heavy all-metal Gibson brand unit from the
1960's. 8K BTU, and the thing runs like a tank. It's a bear to haul up
from the cellar and install by myself, but it blows ice cold air! It's
not terribly loud, but it's no where near as quiet as most newer models.
I didn't pay a dime for it, and I reckon it will last for decades yet.

On Thu, 20 May 2021 00:58:06 -0400, Michael Trew >
wrote:

>On 5/18/2021 4:44 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> My guess is that window AC units with digital controls are more reliable than dishwashers - that's just my feeling, for what that's worth. Probably nothing. The main problem with cheap AC units is that they tend to be noisy. The unit we got now is really loud. The first one we got, a Panasonic, was just great, noise-wise.
>
>I would say yes, more reliable, in the way that they are less likely to
>have the electronic controls exposed to water, but otherwise I'd think
>it's all about the same. Yes, the cheap-o model was quite noisey, but
>it never bothered me much. I can't sleep with the TV or radio on...
>varying noises bother me, but constant noises like the A/C running or a
>fan are OK.
>
>I occasionally use the cheap one in my bedroom, but the only A/C that I
>typically use is an absurdly heavy all-metal Gibson brand unit from the
>1960's. 8K BTU, and the thing runs like a tank. It's a bear to haul up
>from the cellar and install by myself, but it blows ice cold air! It's
>not terribly loud, but it's no where near as quiet as most newer models.
> I didn't pay a dime for it, and I reckon it will last for decades yet.
Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."