Dsi1 wrote:

> If it was a choice between working deep underground or ripping the
> earth apart, I'd say rip away. No man should have to work deep in
> the earth .

My one grandfather and his father did that for their entire working
life...about 50 years each.

I got to see the inside of that mine once. Dark, damp and a tunnel going
way underground that mountain.

That would be a scary place to work all your life.

On 5/18/2021 8:50 AM, Gary wrote:
> Dsi1 wrote:
>
> > If it was a choice between working deep underground or ripping the
> > earth apart, I'd say rip away. No man should have to work deep in
> > the earth .
>
> My one grandfather and his father did that for their entire working
> life...about 50 years each.
>
> I got to see the inside of that mine once. Dark, damp and a tunnel going
> way underground that mountain.
>
> That would be a scary place to work all your life.
>
>
>

There are abandoned coal mines near me... many concerns back in the old
days. I'd be concerned about a collapse, but primarily as you get
deeper, hitting natural gas pockets. I used to work for a company
(Industrial Scientific) making hand-held gas detectors. I learned here
that miners years ago used to send children (so they didn't risk losing
a full grown man that could work) into mines with a parakeet... when the
parakeet quit squawking and fell, best get out of there! Thank God for
modern gas detectors, and child labor laws.

On Tue, 18 May 2021 10:39:55 -0400, Michael Trew >
wrote:

>On 5/18/2021 8:50 AM, Gary wrote:
>> Dsi1 wrote:
>>
>> > If it was a choice between working deep underground or ripping the
>> > earth apart, I'd say rip away. No man should have to work deep in
>> > the earth .
>>
>> My one grandfather and his father did that for their entire working
>> life...about 50 years each.
>>
>> I got to see the inside of that mine once. Dark, damp and a tunnel going
>> way underground that mountain.
>>
>> That would be a scary place to work all your life.
>>
>>
>>
>
>There are abandoned coal mines near me... many concerns back in the old
>days. I'd be concerned about a collapse, but primarily as you get
>deeper, hitting natural gas pockets. I used to work for a company
>(Industrial Scientific) making hand-held gas detectors. I learned here
>that miners years ago used to send children (so they didn't risk losing
>a full grown man that could work) into mines with a parakeet... when the
>parakeet quit squawking and fell, best get out of there! Thank God for
>modern gas detectors, and child labor laws.

Canary. Hence the term, "Canary in a coal mine."

On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 9:39:57 AM UTC-5, Michael Trew wrote:
> On 5/18/2021 8:50 AM, Gary wrote:
> > Dsi1 wrote:
> >
> > > If it was a choice between working deep underground or ripping the
> > > earth apart, I'd say rip away. No man should have to work deep in
> > > the earth .
> >
> > My one grandfather and his father did that for their entire working
> > life...about 50 years each.
> >
> > I got to see the inside of that mine once. Dark, damp and a tunnel going
> > way underground that mountain.
> >
> > That would be a scary place to work all your life.
> >
> >
> >
> There are abandoned coal mines near me... many concerns back in the old
> days. I'd be concerned about a collapse, but primarily as you get
> deeper, hitting natural gas pockets. I used to work for a company
> (Industrial Scientific) making hand-held gas detectors. I learned here
> that miners years ago used to send children (so they didn't risk losing
> a full grown man that could work) into mines with a parakeet... when the
> parakeet quit squawking and fell, best get out of there! Thank God for
> modern gas detectors, and child labor laws.


But no more dead parakeet jokes...

:'(

--
Best
Greg

On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 2:50:24 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> Dsi1 wrote:
>
> > If it was a choice between working deep underground or ripping the
> > earth apart, I'd say rip away. No man should have to work deep in
> > the earth .
>
> My one grandfather and his father did that for their entire working
> life...about 50 years each.
>
> I got to see the inside of that mine once. Dark, damp and a tunnel going
> way underground that mountain.
>
> That would be a scary place to work all your life.

It sure sounds like a shitty way to live. I can't say if it's better to be a miner or a slave. Working underground sounds like a terrifying notion.
My father-in-law worked in a coal mine when he was young. He didn't like it so he learned to dig for data with computers instead. A friend's dad became a rocket scientist to get away from mining. They certainly done better than their fellow coal miners.

On 5/18/2021 11:19 AM, Boron Elgar wrote:
> Canary. Hence the term, "Canary in a coal mine."

Oops, that's what I meant, thanks.

On 2021-05-18 12:47 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 2:50:24 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
>>> I got to see the inside of that mine once. Dark, damp and a tunnel
>> going way underground that mountain.
>>
>> That would be a scary place to work all your life.
>
> It sure sounds like a shitty way to live. I can't say if it's better
> to be a miner or a slave. Working underground sounds like a
> terrifying notion. My father-in-law worked in a coal mine when he was
> young. He didn't like it so he learned to dig for data with computers
> instead. A friend's dad became a rocket scientist to get away from
> mining. They certainly done better than their fellow coal miners.
>


Think about what it would have been like in the old days for people in
northern regions. They often worked at least 12 hours a day. They would
go to work in the dark and come home in the dark and might not see the
sun for a week at a time.

On Tue, 18 May 2021 12:59:51 -0400, Michael Trew >
wrote:

>On 5/18/2021 11:19 AM, Boron Elgar wrote:
>> Canary. Hence the term, "Canary in a coal mine."
>
>Oops, that's what I meant, thanks.

Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."

On Tue, 18 May 2021 09:47:46 -0700 (PDT), dsi1
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 2:50:24 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
>> Dsi1 wrote:
>>
>> > If it was a choice between working deep underground or ripping the
>> > earth apart, I'd say rip away. No man should have to work deep in
>> > the earth .
>>
>> My one grandfather and his father did that for their entire working
>> life...about 50 years each.
>>
>> I got to see the inside of that mine once. Dark, damp and a tunnel going
>> way underground that mountain.
>>
>> That would be a scary place to work all your life.
>
>It sure sounds like a shitty way to live. I can't say if it's better to be a miner or a slave. Working underground sounds like a terrifying notion.
>My father-in-law worked in a coal mine when he was young. He didn't like it so he learned to dig for data with computers instead. A friend's dad became a rocket scientist to get away from mining. They certainly done better than their fellow coal miners.

Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."

On 5/18/2021 1:27 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2021-05-18 12:47 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
>> On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 2:50:24 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
>>>> I got to see the inside of that mine once. Dark, damp and a tunnel
>>> going way underground that mountain.
>>>
>>> That would be a scary place to work all your life.
>>
>> It sure sounds like a shitty way to live. I can't say if it's better
>> to be a miner or a slave. Working underground sounds like a
>> terrifying notion. My father-in-law worked in a coal mine when he was
>> young. He didn't like it so he learned to dig for data with computers
>> instead. A friend's dad became a rocket scientist to get away from
>> mining. They certainly done better than their fellow coal miners.
>>
>
>
> Think about what it would have been like in the old days for people in
> northern regions. They often worked at least 12 hours a day. They would
> go to work in the dark and come home in the dark and might not see the
> sun for a week at a time.

Yes...12 hour shifts and very cheap pay. Before they got unionized they
got paid by the ton, not by the hour. Any time spend on safety
precautions were the workers problem and took away from their amount of
coal produced.

On 5/18/2021 12:47 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 2:50:24 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
>> Dsi1 wrote:
>>
>>> If it was a choice between working deep underground or ripping the
>>> earth apart, I'd say rip away. No man should have to work deep in
>>> the earth .
>>
>> My one grandfather and his father did that for their entire working
>> life...about 50 years each.
>>
>> I got to see the inside of that mine once. Dark, damp and a tunnel going
>> way underground that mountain.
>>
>> That would be a scary place to work all your life.
>
> It sure sounds like a shitty way to live. I can't say if it's better to be a miner or a slave. Working underground sounds like a terrifying notion.
> My father-in-law worked in a coal mine when he was young. He didn't like it so he learned to dig for data with computers instead. A friend's dad became a rocket scientist to get away from mining. They certainly done better than their fellow coal miners.
>
At least the coal mining (in my family) ended with my grandfather. He
had 4 sons and none of them ever worked in that mine. They all fought in
WW2 when young. All survived that then moved away to get better jobs.

Even his 5 daughters married men who never worked in a coal mine.

On Wed, 19 May 2021 07:51:52 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>On 5/18/2021 12:47 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 2:50:24 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
>>> Dsi1 wrote:
>>>
>>>> If it was a choice between working deep underground or ripping the
>>>> earth apart, I'd say rip away. No man should have to work deep in
>>>> the earth .
>>>
>>> My one grandfather and his father did that for their entire working
>>> life...about 50 years each.
>>>
>>> I got to see the inside of that mine once. Dark, damp and a tunnel going
>>> way underground that mountain.
>>>
>>> That would be a scary place to work all your life.
>>
>> It sure sounds like a shitty way to live. I can't say if it's better to be a miner or a slave. Working underground sounds like a terrifying notion.
>> My father-in-law worked in a coal mine when he was young. He didn't like it so he learned to dig for data with computers instead. A friend's dad became a rocket scientist to get away from mining. They certainly done better than their fellow coal miners.
>>
>At least the coal mining (in my family) ended with my grandfather. He
>had 4 sons and none of them ever worked in that mine. They all fought in
>WW2 when young. All survived that then moved away to get better jobs.
>
>Even his 5 daughters married men who never worked in a coal mine.
>
>
>
>
>
Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."

On Wed, 19 May 2021 07:51:27 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>On 5/18/2021 1:27 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2021-05-18 12:47 p.m., dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 2:50:24 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
>>>>> I got to see the inside of that mine once. Dark, damp and a tunnel
>>>> going way underground that mountain.
>>>>
>>>> That would be a scary place to work all your life.
>>>
>>> It sure sounds like a shitty way to live. I can't say if it's better
>>> to be a miner or a slave. Working underground sounds like a
>>> terrifying notion. My father-in-law worked in a coal mine when he was
>>> young. He didn't like it so he learned to dig for data with computers
>>> instead. A friend's dad became a rocket scientist to get away from
>>> mining. They certainly done better than their fellow coal miners.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Think about what it would have been like in the old days for people in
>> northern regions. They often worked at least 12 hours a day. They would
>> go to work in the dark and come home in the dark and might not see the
>> sun for a week at a time.
>
>Yes...12 hour shifts and very cheap pay. Before they got unionized they
>got paid by the ton, not by the hour. Any time spend on safety
>precautions were the workers problem and took away from their amount of
>coal produced.
>
>
>
>
Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."

On 5/18/2021 4:43 PM, J. Stewart wrote:
> On Tue, 18 May 2021 12:59:51 -0400, Michael >
> wrote:
>
>> On 5/18/2021 11:19 AM, Boron Elgar wrote:
>>> Canary. Hence the term, "Canary in a coal mine."
>>
>> Oops, that's what I meant, thanks.
>
> Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."

Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."

On Thu, 20 May 2021 01:02:03 -0400, Michael Trew >
wrote:

>On 5/18/2021 4:43 PM, J. Stewart wrote:
>> On Tue, 18 May 2021 12:59:51 -0400, Michael >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/18/2021 11:19 AM, Boron Elgar wrote:
>>>> Canary. Hence the term, "Canary in a coal mine."
>>>
>>> Oops, that's what I meant, thanks.
>>
>> Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."
>
>Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."
Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."

On 5/20/2021 1:09 AM, Arnie wrote:
> On Thu, 20 May 2021 01:02:03 -0400, Michael >
> wrote:
>
>> On 5/18/2021 4:43 PM, J. Stewart wrote:
>>> On Tue, 18 May 2021 12:59:51 -0400, Michael >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/18/2021 11:19 AM, Boron Elgar wrote:
>>>>> Canary. Hence the term, "Canary in a coal mine."
>>>>
>>>> Oops, that's what I meant, thanks.
>>>
>>> Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."
>>
>> Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."
> Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."
Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."