On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 9:14:54 PM UTC-5, Hank Rogers wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
> > On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 2:27:08 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> On 2021-06-04 7:14 p.m., cshenk wrote:
> >>> Dave Smith wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 2021-06-04 2:37 p.m., Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> >>>>> On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 11:03:34 -0600, wolfy's new skateboard
> >>>>> > wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 6/3/2021 6:07 PM, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> >>>>>>> Sorry, I've watched her whining about Japan and just couldn't
> >>>>>>> take it anymore! She doesn't allow for the holocaust they went
> >>>>>>> through.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Two words - PEARL HARBOR!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Two words - Hiroshima, Nagasaki.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> And Nanking. 300,000 civilians systematically and brutally raped,
> >>>> mutilated and murdered.
> >>>
> >>> Dave, we were discussing costs 55 years later, and military (US
> >>> sailors) stationed there. Not WWII.
> >>>
> >> The operative word is "were". There was some thread drift when Lucretia
> >> mentioned Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
> >
> > Are you guys still fighting WWII? That's just so bizzare.
> >
> It's as crazy as nips selling expensive hearing aides .... bizarre.


And dsi1's heading aides are not even " solid state" - the krap he peddles uses "vacuum tubes"...!!!

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On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 8:21:35 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 2:27:08 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> > On 2021-06-04 7:14 p.m., cshenk wrote:
> > > Dave Smith wrote:
> > >
> > >> On 2021-06-04 2:37 p.m., Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> > >>> On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 11:03:34 -0600, wolfy's new skateboard
> > >>> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> On 6/3/2021 6:07 PM, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
> > >>>>> Sorry, I've watched her whining about Japan and just couldn't
> > >>>>> take it anymore! She doesn't allow for the holocaust they went
> > >>>>> through.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Two words - PEARL HARBOR!
> > >>>
> > >>> Two words - Hiroshima, Nagasaki.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> And Nanking. 300,000 civilians systematically and brutally raped,
> > >> mutilated and murdered.
> > >
> > > Dave, we were discussing costs 55 years later, and military (US
> > > sailors) stationed there. Not WWII.
> > >
> > The operative word is "were". There was some thread drift when Lucretia
> > mentioned Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
> Are you guys still fighting WWII? That's just so bizzare.


BIKINI ATOLL ... !!!

BOOM BOOM BOOM ... !!!

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On Sat, 05 Jun 2021 12:04:10 +1000, Dave Smith >
wrote:

>On Fri, 04 Jun 2021 20:59:58 -0500, "cshenk"
> wrote:
>
>>Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>> On 2021-06-04 7:14 p.m., cshenk wrote:
>>> > Dave Smith wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > On 2021-06-04 2:37 p.m., Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>> > > > On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 11:03:34 -0600, wolfy's new skateboard
>>> > wrote:
>>> > > >
>>> > > > > On 6/3/2021 6:07 PM, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>> > > > > > Sorry, I've watched her whining about Japan and just
>>> > > > > > couldn't take it anymore! She doesn't allow for the
>>> > > > > > holocaust they went through.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > Two words - PEARL HARBOR!
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Two words - Hiroshima, Nagasaki.
>>> > > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > And Nanking. 300,000 civilians systematically and brutally raped,
>>> > > mutilated and murdered.
>>> >
>>> > Dave, we were discussing costs 55 years later, and military (US
>>> > sailors) stationed there. Not WWII.
>>> >
>>>
>>> The operative word is "were". There was some thread drift when
>>> Lucretia mentioned Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
>>
>>Hardly, her mind was about WWII and saying I was 'whining' when
>>actually it was a discussion with another in Germany for a time with a
>>shift in Canadian to DM that left him short, so I added a bit on how
>>before I got there, that had happend to the Navy folks too for a bit.
>
>Which drugs would I have to use to be able to write like this?
>
>>Mostly it was about cost of living there being different and Military
>>housing on base issues (specifically how/why it was being blocked for a
>>time).
>
>I see.
Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."
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On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 20:27:02 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2021-06-04 7:14 p.m., cshenk wrote:
>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>> On 2021-06-04 2:37 p.m., Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 11:03:34 -0600, wolfy's new skateboard
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 6/3/2021 6:07 PM, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>>>>> Sorry, I've watched her whining about Japan and just couldn't
>>>>>> take it anymore! She doesn't allow for the holocaust they went
>>>>>> through.
>>>>>
>>>>> Two words - PEARL HARBOR!
>>>>
>>>> Two words - Hiroshima, Nagasaki.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And Nanking. 300,000 civilians systematically and brutally raped,
>>> mutilated and murdered.
>>
>> Dave, we were discussing costs 55 years later, and military (US
>> sailors) stationed there. Not WWII.
>>
>
>The operative word is "were". There was some thread drift when Lucretia
>mentioned Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."
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On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 21:14:44 -0500, Hank Rogers >
wrote:

>dsi1 wrote:
>> On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 2:27:08 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2021-06-04 7:14 p.m., cshenk wrote:
>>>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2021-06-04 2:37 p.m., Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 11:03:34 -0600, wolfy's new skateboard
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6/3/2021 6:07 PM, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>>>>>>> Sorry, I've watched her whining about Japan and just couldn't
>>>>>>>> take it anymore! She doesn't allow for the holocaust they went
>>>>>>>> through.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Two words - PEARL HARBOR!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Two words - Hiroshima, Nagasaki.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And Nanking. 300,000 civilians systematically and brutally raped,
>>>>> mutilated and murdered.
>>>>
>>>> Dave, we were discussing costs 55 years later, and military (US
>>>> sailors) stationed there. Not WWII.
>>>>
>>> The operative word is "were". There was some thread drift when Lucretia
>>> mentioned Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
>>
>> Are you guys still fighting WWII? That's just so bizzare.
>>
>
>It's as crazy as nips selling expensive hearing aides .... bizarre.
Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."
--
Not Dave Smith.

On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 19:28:46 -0700 (PDT), GM
> wrote:

>On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 8:21:35 PM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 2:27:08 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>> > On 2021-06-04 7:14 p.m., cshenk wrote:
>> > > Dave Smith wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> On 2021-06-04 2:37 p.m., Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>> > >>> On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 11:03:34 -0600, wolfy's new skateboard
>> > >>> > wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>>> On 6/3/2021 6:07 PM, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>> > >>>>> Sorry, I've watched her whining about Japan and just couldn't
>> > >>>>> take it anymore! She doesn't allow for the holocaust they went
>> > >>>>> through.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Two words - PEARL HARBOR!
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Two words - Hiroshima, Nagasaki.
>> > >>>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> And Nanking. 300,000 civilians systematically and brutally raped,
>> > >> mutilated and murdered.
>> > >
>> > > Dave, we were discussing costs 55 years later, and military (US
>> > > sailors) stationed there. Not WWII.
>> > >
>> > The operative word is "were". There was some thread drift when Lucretia
>> > mentioned Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
>> Are you guys still fighting WWII? That's just so bizzare.
>
>
>BIKINI ATOLL ... !!!
>
>BOOM BOOM BOOM ... !!!
>
>B-)
Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."
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On 6/4/2021 4:15 PM, cshenk wrote:
> Taxed and Spent wrote:
>
>> On 6/4/2021 2:35 PM, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>> On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 16:17:48 -0400, Dave Smith
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2021-06-04 3:34 p.m., Taxed and Spent wrote:
>>>>> On 6/4/2021 11:37 AM, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 11:03:34 -0600, wolfy's new skateboard
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6/3/2021 6:07 PM, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>>>>>>> Sorry, I've watched her whining about Japan and just couldn't
>> take it >>>>>> anymore!Â* She doesn't allow for the holocaust they
>> went through.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Two words - PEARL HARBOR!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Two words - Hiroshima, Nagasaki.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Two Words - Manchuria, Nanjing.
>>>>
>>>> Hiroshima and Nagasaki were horrible, but I don't think they
>> compare >> with the atrocities committed by the Japanese in Nanking.
>> They >> systematically slaughtered an estimated 300,000 Chinese
>> civilians in a >> two week orgy of violence where they raped and
>> murdered and then >> mutilated the women while the men were sometimes
>> lined up while officers >> had head chopping contests, or bound
>> together with wire, doused with >> gasoline and set on fire. They
>> killed twice as many civilians there >> than were killed in both
>> atomic blasts combined.
>>>
>>> The count from the A-bombs should be bigger, as late as 1962 people
>>> were still dying from the effects of radiation sickness.
>>>
>>
>> The ill effects of the barbaric treatment by the Japanese led to many
>> early deaths as well.
>
> And this has what to do with modern costs for US military stationed
> there 55 years later?
>


about as much as it has to do with the price of tea in China. why do you
ask?

On Sat, 5 Jun 2021 02:32:09 -0700, Taxed and Spent
> wrote:

>On 6/4/2021 4:15 PM, cshenk wrote:
>> Taxed and Spent wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/4/2021 2:35 PM, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 16:17:48 -0400, Dave Smith
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2021-06-04 3:34 p.m., Taxed and Spent wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/4/2021 11:37 AM, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 11:03:34 -0600, wolfy's new skateboard
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 6/3/2021 6:07 PM, Lucretia Borgia wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I've watched her whining about Japan and just couldn't
>>> take it >>>>>> anymore!* She doesn't allow for the holocaust they
>>> went through.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Two words - PEARL HARBOR!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Two words - Hiroshima, Nagasaki.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Two Words - Manchuria, Nanjing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hiroshima and Nagasaki were horrible, but I don't think they
>>> compare >> with the atrocities committed by the Japanese in Nanking.
>>> They >> systematically slaughtered an estimated 300,000 Chinese
>>> civilians in a >> two week orgy of violence where they raped and
>>> murdered and then >> mutilated the women while the men were sometimes
>>> lined up while officers >> had head chopping contests, or bound
>>> together with wire, doused with >> gasoline and set on fire. They
>>> killed twice as many civilians there >> than were killed in both
>>> atomic blasts combined.
>>>>
>>>> The count from the A-bombs should be bigger, as late as 1962 people
>>>> were still dying from the effects of radiation sickness.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The ill effects of the barbaric treatment by the Japanese led to many
>>> early deaths as well.
>>
>> And this has what to do with modern costs for US military stationed
>> there 55 years later?
>>
>
>
>about as much as it has to do with the price of tea in China. why do you
>ask?
Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."
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jmcquown wrote:

> On 6/3/2021 9:18 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > jmcquown wrote:
> >
> > > On 6/3/2021 7:25 AM, Gary wrote:
> > > > cshenk wrote:
> > > > > Most of us in Sasebo HAD to live in town as no room in
> > > > > housing. Waiting list was 7 years when I got to Sasebo for
> > > > > base housing...
> > > >
> > > > Odd. Navy sends you to Japan but has no base housing?Â* WTH?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > There was no base housing when the Marine Corps transferred Dad to
> > > Thailand. He was given a housing stipend. We lived in a rented
> > > house. There was no Commissary or a PX (Post Exchange) for Mom
> > > to go shopping, either.
> > >
> > > Jill
> >
> > Yup, not much as far as bases in Korea.
> >
> I'm puzzled. How did Korea get into this discussion? I lived in
> Thailand and you lived in Japan... oh well.
>
> I was merely pointing out to Gary, just because the military
> transfers personnel to another country doesn't always mean there is a
> "base" to live on. Doesn't mean it if you stay in the States,
> either. Growing up as a child of a career Marine, I only lived on an
> actual military base in "base housing" twice in my life.
>
> Jill

Sorry Jill, misread on my part. It was Thailand not Korea. Navy has
little footprint in either place. We just pull in there for liberty
for the mostpart.

Either way correct. If you do a full 20 without at least 2 overseas
tours, you've either been in a very specific narrow field of work where
that doesn't happen, or made career choices to avoid it (detrimental
overall to career to do that).

Anyways, it was expensive there in comparison except cell phones were
very inexpensive to have an use. Even now in the USA I pay *far more*
than I did in Japan 2001-2007.

Food prices if you went local types was not that horrible. You just
had to get rid of the idea that every plate had to have a huge slab of
meat on it. Meat becomes a garnish (and seafood or freshwater food
counts as meat there, western religion thoughts not relevant to it).

Commissary potato types (no russet Idaho baking ones normally to be had
and if they were, close to 5$ each). Potatos were not sold in bags.
They were 'each' and 2-3$lb at the base. Out in town, they were
fresher and 1$lb for most simple whites, 1.29$/lb reds-pinks, some
spectacular other types in many colors at 1.50$lb. Lots of other
'starchy tuber types'. Yams and Taro. There was one that was purple
inside and mashed really well to a purple 'mashed potato' that liked
butter and Charlotte would add a little 'Aunt Jemima' syrup from the
commisarry.

Lots of other things but the difference was the local big air market
(all season, some parts enclosed) was on my way home when we lived in
the Cho (out in town, cho is a neighborhood and mine was right off
Tono-cho in Miura-cho). Base was 2 miles away. JUst before a
deloyment, all 3 of us would walk to the base Commisary with backpacks
and a pull cart for a stock up while I was gone of the heavy stuff but
the day to day was at the open air market 1/4 mile down the mountain
from us (on the way to the base).

On Sat, 05 Jun 2021 16:54:22 -0500, "cshenk"
> wrote:

>jmcquown wrote:
>
>> On 6/3/2021 9:18 PM, cshenk wrote:
>> > jmcquown wrote:
>> >
>> > > On 6/3/2021 7:25 AM, Gary wrote:
>> > > > cshenk wrote:
>> > > > > Most of us in Sasebo HAD to live in town as no room in
>> > > > > housing. Waiting list was 7 years when I got to Sasebo for
>> > > > > base housing...
>> > > >
>> > > > Odd. Navy sends you to Japan but has no base housing?* WTH?
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > There was no base housing when the Marine Corps transferred Dad to
>> > > Thailand. He was given a housing stipend. We lived in a rented
>> > > house. There was no Commissary or a PX (Post Exchange) for Mom
>> > > to go shopping, either.
>> > >
>> > > Jill
>> >
>> > Yup, not much as far as bases in Korea.
>> >
>> I'm puzzled. How did Korea get into this discussion? I lived in
>> Thailand and you lived in Japan... oh well.
>>
>> I was merely pointing out to Gary, just because the military
>> transfers personnel to another country doesn't always mean there is a
>> "base" to live on. Doesn't mean it if you stay in the States,
>> either. Growing up as a child of a career Marine, I only lived on an
>> actual military base in "base housing" twice in my life.
>>
>> Jill
>
>Sorry Jill, misread on my part. It was Thailand not Korea. Navy has
>little footprint in either place. We just pull in there for liberty
>for the mostpart.
>
>Either way correct. If you do a full 20 without at least 2 overseas
>tours, you've either been in a very specific narrow field of work where
>that doesn't happen, or made career choices to avoid it (detrimental
>overall to career to do that).
>
>Anyways, it was expensive there in comparison except cell phones were
>very inexpensive to have an use. Even now in the USA I pay *far more*
>than I did in Japan 2001-2007.
>
>Food prices if you went local types was not that horrible. You just
>had to get rid of the idea that every plate had to have a huge slab of
>meat on it. Meat becomes a garnish (and seafood or freshwater food
>counts as meat there, western religion thoughts not relevant to it).
>
>Commissary potato types (no russet Idaho baking ones normally to be had
>and if they were, close to 5$ each). Potatos were not sold in bags.
>They were 'each' and 2-3$lb at the base. Out in town, they were
>fresher and 1$lb for most simple whites, 1.29$/lb reds-pinks, some
>spectacular other types in many colors at 1.50$lb. Lots of other
>'starchy tuber types'. Yams and Taro. There was one that was purple
>inside and mashed really well to a purple 'mashed potato' that liked
>butter and Charlotte would add a little 'Aunt Jemima' syrup from the
>commisarry.
>
>Lots of other things but the difference was the local big air market
>(all season, some parts enclosed) was on my way home when we lived in
>the Cho (out in town, cho is a neighborhood and mine was right off
>Tono-cho in Miura-cho). Base was 2 miles away. JUst before a
>deloyment, all 3 of us would walk to the base Commisary with backpacks
>and a pull cart for a stock up while I was gone of the heavy stuff but
>the day to day was at the open air market 1/4 mile down the mountain
>from us (on the way to the base).
Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."
--
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On 6/5/2021 5:54 PM, cshenk wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>
>> On 6/3/2021 9:18 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/3/2021 7:25 AM, Gary wrote:
>>>>> cshenk wrote:
>>>>>> Most of us in Sasebo HAD to live in town as no room in
>>>>>> housing. Waiting list was 7 years when I got to Sasebo for
>>>>>> base housing...
>>>>>
>>>>> Odd. Navy sends you to Japan but has no base housing?Â* WTH?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> There was no base housing when the Marine Corps transferred Dad to
>>>> Thailand. He was given a housing stipend. We lived in a rented
>>>> house. There was no Commissary or a PX (Post Exchange) for Mom
>>>> to go shopping, either.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>> Yup, not much as far as bases in Korea.
>>>
>> I'm puzzled. How did Korea get into this discussion? I lived in
>> Thailand and you lived in Japan... oh well.
>>
>> I was merely pointing out to Gary, just because the military
>> transfers personnel to another country doesn't always mean there is a
>> "base" to live on. Doesn't mean it if you stay in the States,
>> either. Growing up as a child of a career Marine, I only lived on an
>> actual military base in "base housing" twice in my life.
>>
>> Jill
>
> Sorry Jill, misread on my part. It was Thailand not Korea. Navy has
> little footprint in either place. We just pull in there for liberty
> for the mostpart.
>
> Either way correct. If you do a full 20 without at least 2 overseas
> tours, you've either been in a very specific narrow field of work where
> that doesn't happen, or made career choices to avoid it (detrimental
> overall to career to do that).
>
(snippage) My father was on the USS General M.L. Hersey in the South
Pacific in WWII (he enlisted at age 17).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Ge...Hersey_(AP-148)

I have a photo around here somewhere of the entire ships company
including the small contingent of Marines (and my very young father!).
Oh, they had a dog on the ship, too. All of Dad's pals signed the back
of that photo.

My father also fought in Korea and Vietnam. I'd say he more than
satisfied that "posting overseas" requirement. LOL In 1969 he selected
a posting in Thailand. And yes, there was no "base housing". That's
what Gary doesn't understand. There wasn't a military commissary or Px,
either. We bought clothes from catalogs but sometimes Mom would take us
to local tailors.

Different from you, we had a live-in maid and a cook (mother and
daughter, named Alum and Dook). They did most of the grocery shopping.
They lived on the premises in a small apartment.

My growing up as a miltiary dependent is totally unlike *your* and Don's
Navy service experience.

> Lots of other things but the difference was the local big air market
> (all season, some parts enclosed) was on my way home when we lived in
> the Cho (out in town, cho is a neighborhood and mine was right off
> Tono-cho in Miura-cho). Base was 2 miles away. JUst before a
> deloyment, all 3 of us would walk to the base Commisary with backpacks
> and a pull cart for a stock up while I was gone of the heavy stuff but
> the day to day was at the open air market 1/4 mile down the mountain
> from us (on the way to the base).
>
I can't speak to the prices of food in Japan. I did go to some of the
open air markets in Bangkok from time to time. Usually with our maid,
Dook. But hey, I was a kid, I didn't pay attention to food prices. I
do know we rented a 4 bedroom 2 bath house with four levels and a every
bedroom had a balcony (the master bedroom had two and an en suite bath).
The housing stipend covered it... $295 a month in 1969. The cook and
maid were paid $40 and $30 a month each. I got the impression in
1969/70 Bangkok *everything* was inexpensive.

Unfortunately the house we lived in is long gone. The neighborhood has
turned into a "chic" place to go with coffee shops and bars and
boutiques and expensive crap. Noisy!

Jill

jmcquown wrote:

> On 6/5/2021 5:54 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > jmcquown wrote:
> >
> > > On 6/3/2021 9:18 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > > > jmcquown wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On 6/3/2021 7:25 AM, Gary wrote:
> > > > > > cshenk wrote:
> > > > > > > Most of us in Sasebo HAD to live in town as no room in
> > > > > > > housing. Waiting list was 7 years when I got to Sasebo
> > > > > > > for base housing...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Odd. Navy sends you to Japan but has no base housing?Â* WTH?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > There was no base housing when the Marine Corps transferred
> > > > > Dad to Thailand. He was given a housing stipend. We lived
> > > > > in a rented house. There was no Commissary or a PX (Post
> > > > > Exchange) for Mom to go shopping, either.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jill
> > > >
> > > > Yup, not much as far as bases in Korea.
> > > >
> > > I'm puzzled. How did Korea get into this discussion? I lived in
> > > Thailand and you lived in Japan... oh well.
> > >
> > > I was merely pointing out to Gary, just because the military
> > > transfers personnel to another country doesn't always mean there
> > > is a "base" to live on. Doesn't mean it if you stay in the
> > > States, either. Growing up as a child of a career Marine, I only
> > > lived on an actual military base in "base housing" twice in my
> > > life.
> > >
> > > Jill
> >
> > Sorry Jill, misread on my part. It was Thailand not Korea. Navy
> > has little footprint in either place. We just pull in there for
> > liberty for the mostpart.
> >
> > Either way correct. If you do a full 20 without at least 2 overseas
> > tours, you've either been in a very specific narrow field of work
> > where that doesn't happen, or made career choices to avoid it
> > (detrimental overall to career to do that).
> >
> (snippage) My father was on the USS General M.L. Hersey in the South
> Pacific in WWII (he enlisted at age 17).
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Ge...Hersey_(AP-148)

Neat! I read up on it. Quite an amazing history for the ship!


> I have a photo around here somewhere of the entire ships company
> including the small contingent of Marines (and my very young
> father!). Oh, they had a dog on the ship, too. All of Dad's pals
> signed the back of that photo.

Have to laugh but yes, I'm not sure when they made US ships stop having
a few 'mascots' but like the Captain on that Star Trek unverse series
with the Beagel, it used to be common. Cats of course to help control
the rat population.
>
> My father also fought in Korea and Vietnam. I'd say he more than
> satisfied that "posting overseas" requirement. LOL In 1969 he
> selected a posting in Thailand. And yes, there was no "base
> housing". That's what Gary doesn't understand. There wasn't a
> military commissary or Px, either. We bought clothes from catalogs
> but sometimes Mom would take us to local tailors.

Yes, even today we have Navy postings like that in islolated places
where ships pull in often. They probably do more than I know of but I
know they are involved in arranging our restock supplies and may be
holding onto various repair parts for us. I think they arrange for the
money exchanges too on the mess decks.


> Different from you, we had a live-in maid and a cook (mother and
> daughter, named Alum and Dook). They did most of the grocery
> shopping. They lived on the premises in a small apartment.

Back when Subic Bay was a Navy base, many lived out in town in houses
with paid help like you describe.


> My growing up as a miltiary dependent is totally unlike your and
> Don's Navy service experience.

Of course, but you have some relevance to it, especially to Charlotte.
Overall, she loved the experience.


> > Lots of other things but the difference was the local big air market
> > (all season, some parts enclosed) was on my way home when we lived
> > in the Cho (out in town, cho is a neighborhood and mine was right
> > off Tono-cho in Miura-cho). Base was 2 miles away. JUst before a
> > deloyment, all 3 of us would walk to the base Commisary with
> > backpacks and a pull cart for a stock up while I was gone of the
> > heavy stuff but the day to day was at the open air market 1/4 mile
> > down the mountain from us (on the way to the base).
> >
> I can't speak to the prices of food in Japan. I did go to some of
> the open air markets in Bangkok from time to time. Usually with our
> maid, Dook. But hey, I was a kid, I didn't pay attention to food
> prices. I do know we rented a 4 bedroom 2 bath house with four
> levels and a every bedroom had a balcony (the master bedroom had two
> and an en suite bath). The housing stipend covered it... $295 a
> month in 1969. The cook and maid were paid $40 and $30 a month each.
> I got the impression in 1969/70 Bangkok everything was inexpensive.

It probably was! USA money goes very far there (and still does).
Charlotte learned a lot about food prices in those years. She was just
old enough to grasp the concept. We taught her basic money
resonsibility but also a sort of background for 'work ethics' at the
same time. A simple start was why I selected one product over another,
and not the same one each time. Price (perhaps a coupon or the minimal
'sales'). We'd talley it up and she was allowed to spend 50% of it in
the candy area. The other 50% went to a candy I knew Don liked.
Sometimes she got the money but I got a different product anyway and
slowly I taught her that the factor of how heavy it would be to carry
back had to be added. She got 50yen for helping carry it home.

At Tonoo Market, it was the pull cart and she'd have her little
backpack. After we'd been there a few months, she'd scamper ahead and
check prices at the other end then back to me and tell me best price
for bell peppers, eggs and anything special she noted. We'd then shop
along the way at favorite stalls but get the bulk of the few special
items when we got there. Then inside the enclosed part and to the end
where they had various cereals. All in Japanese but many were relabled
USA types (Tony The Tiger is pretty unmistakable) and snag on that was
obviously in the middle of the cereals. Only one was a bad idea. Fish
flavored rice krispies? LOL!

Oh, Charlotte only got 25 yen for carrying back from Tonoo. She pouted
the first time but I explained it's only 1/4 mile, not 2 and in
fairness I owed her only 15 yen but I added another 10 yen for price
checking. Grin, she was good after that.


> Unfortunately the house we lived in is long gone. The neighborhood
> has turned into a "chic" place to go with coffee shops and bars and
> boutiques and expensive crap. Noisy!
>
> Jill

Sad but it's been many many years. Tonoo Market was 1/4 mile long with
2 'arms' and an inside area. Both sides of the street lined with
outdoor vendors.

On Sun, 06 Jun 2021 09:59:45 -0500, "cshenk"
> wrote:

>jmcquown wrote:
>
>> On 6/5/2021 5:54 PM, cshenk wrote:
>> > jmcquown wrote:
>> >
>> > > On 6/3/2021 9:18 PM, cshenk wrote:
>> > > > jmcquown wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > On 6/3/2021 7:25 AM, Gary wrote:
>> > > > > > cshenk wrote:
>> > > > > > > Most of us in Sasebo HAD to live in town as no room in
>> > > > > > > housing. Waiting list was 7 years when I got to Sasebo
>> > > > > > > for base housing...
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Odd. Navy sends you to Japan but has no base housing?* WTH?
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > There was no base housing when the Marine Corps transferred
>> > > > > Dad to Thailand. He was given a housing stipend. We lived
>> > > > > in a rented house. There was no Commissary or a PX (Post
>> > > > > Exchange) for Mom to go shopping, either.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Jill
>> > > >
>> > > > Yup, not much as far as bases in Korea.
>> > > >
>> > > I'm puzzled. How did Korea get into this discussion? I lived in
>> > > Thailand and you lived in Japan... oh well.
>> > >
>> > > I was merely pointing out to Gary, just because the military
>> > > transfers personnel to another country doesn't always mean there
>> > > is a "base" to live on. Doesn't mean it if you stay in the
>> > > States, either. Growing up as a child of a career Marine, I only
>> > > lived on an actual military base in "base housing" twice in my
>> > > life.
>> > >
>> > > Jill
>> >
>> > Sorry Jill, misread on my part. It was Thailand not Korea. Navy
>> > has little footprint in either place. We just pull in there for
>> > liberty for the mostpart.
>> >
>> > Either way correct. If you do a full 20 without at least 2 overseas
>> > tours, you've either been in a very specific narrow field of work
>> > where that doesn't happen, or made career choices to avoid it
>> > (detrimental overall to career to do that).
>> >
>> (snippage) My father was on the USS General M.L. Hersey in the South
>> Pacific in WWII (he enlisted at age 17).
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Ge...Hersey_(AP-148)
>
>Neat! I read up on it. Quite an amazing history for the ship!
>
>
>> I have a photo around here somewhere of the entire ships company
>> including the small contingent of Marines (and my very young
>> father!). Oh, they had a dog on the ship, too. All of Dad's pals
>> signed the back of that photo.
>
>Have to laugh but yes, I'm not sure when they made US ships stop having
>a few 'mascots' but like the Captain on that Star Trek unverse series
>with the Beagel, it used to be common. Cats of course to help control
>the rat population.
>>
>> My father also fought in Korea and Vietnam. I'd say he more than
>> satisfied that "posting overseas" requirement. LOL In 1969 he
>> selected a posting in Thailand. And yes, there was no "base
>> housing". That's what Gary doesn't understand. There wasn't a
>> military commissary or Px, either. We bought clothes from catalogs
>> but sometimes Mom would take us to local tailors.
>
>Yes, even today we have Navy postings like that in islolated places
>where ships pull in often. They probably do more than I know of but I
>know they are involved in arranging our restock supplies and may be
>holding onto various repair parts for us. I think they arrange for the
>money exchanges too on the mess decks.
>
>
>> Different from you, we had a live-in maid and a cook (mother and
>> daughter, named Alum and Dook). They did most of the grocery
>> shopping. They lived on the premises in a small apartment.
>
>Back when Subic Bay was a Navy base, many lived out in town in houses
>with paid help like you describe.
>
>
>> My growing up as a miltiary dependent is totally unlike your and
>> Don's Navy service experience.
>
>Of course, but you have some relevance to it, especially to Charlotte.
>Overall, she loved the experience.
>
>
>> > Lots of other things but the difference was the local big air market
>> > (all season, some parts enclosed) was on my way home when we lived
>> > in the Cho (out in town, cho is a neighborhood and mine was right
>> > off Tono-cho in Miura-cho). Base was 2 miles away. JUst before a
>> > deloyment, all 3 of us would walk to the base Commisary with
>> > backpacks and a pull cart for a stock up while I was gone of the
>> > heavy stuff but the day to day was at the open air market 1/4 mile
>> > down the mountain from us (on the way to the base).
>> >
>> I can't speak to the prices of food in Japan. I did go to some of
>> the open air markets in Bangkok from time to time. Usually with our
>> maid, Dook. But hey, I was a kid, I didn't pay attention to food
>> prices. I do know we rented a 4 bedroom 2 bath house with four
>> levels and a every bedroom had a balcony (the master bedroom had two
>> and an en suite bath). The housing stipend covered it... $295 a
>> month in 1969. The cook and maid were paid $40 and $30 a month each.
>> I got the impression in 1969/70 Bangkok everything was inexpensive.
>
>It probably was! USA money goes very far there (and still does).
>Charlotte learned a lot about food prices in those years. She was just
>old enough to grasp the concept. We taught her basic money
>resonsibility but also a sort of background for 'work ethics' at the
>same time. A simple start was why I selected one product over another,
>and not the same one each time. Price (perhaps a coupon or the minimal
>'sales'). We'd talley it up and she was allowed to spend 50% of it in
>the candy area. The other 50% went to a candy I knew Don liked.
>Sometimes she got the money but I got a different product anyway and
>slowly I taught her that the factor of how heavy it would be to carry
>back had to be added. She got 50yen for helping carry it home.
>
>At Tonoo Market, it was the pull cart and she'd have her little
>backpack. After we'd been there a few months, she'd scamper ahead and
>check prices at the other end then back to me and tell me best price
>for bell peppers, eggs and anything special she noted. We'd then shop
>along the way at favorite stalls but get the bulk of the few special
>items when we got there. Then inside the enclosed part and to the end
>where they had various cereals. All in Japanese but many were relabled
>USA types (Tony The Tiger is pretty unmistakable) and snag on that was
>obviously in the middle of the cereals. Only one was a bad idea. Fish
>flavored rice krispies? LOL!
>
>Oh, Charlotte only got 25 yen for carrying back from Tonoo. She pouted
>the first time but I explained it's only 1/4 mile, not 2 and in
>fairness I owed her only 15 yen but I added another 10 yen for price
>checking. Grin, she was good after that.
>
>
>> Unfortunately the house we lived in is long gone. The neighborhood
>> has turned into a "chic" place to go with coffee shops and bars and
>> boutiques and expensive crap. Noisy!
>>
>> Jill
>
>Sad but it's been many many years. Tonoo Market was 1/4 mile long with
>2 'arms' and an inside area. Both sides of the street lined with
>outdoor vendors.
>
Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."
--
Not Dave Smith.

On Sat, 5 Jun 2021 22:28:40 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 6/5/2021 5:54 PM, cshenk wrote:
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/3/2021 9:18 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 6/3/2021 7:25 AM, Gary wrote:
>>>>>> cshenk wrote:
>>>>>>> Most of us in Sasebo HAD to live in town as no room in
>>>>>>> housing. Waiting list was 7 years when I got to Sasebo for
>>>>>>> base housing...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Odd. Navy sends you to Japan but has no base housing?* WTH?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> There was no base housing when the Marine Corps transferred Dad to
>>>>> Thailand. He was given a housing stipend. We lived in a rented
>>>>> house. There was no Commissary or a PX (Post Exchange) for Mom
>>>>> to go shopping, either.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jill
>>>>
>>>> Yup, not much as far as bases in Korea.
>>>>
>>> I'm puzzled. How did Korea get into this discussion? I lived in
>>> Thailand and you lived in Japan... oh well.
>>>
>>> I was merely pointing out to Gary, just because the military
>>> transfers personnel to another country doesn't always mean there is a
>>> "base" to live on. Doesn't mean it if you stay in the States,
>>> either. Growing up as a child of a career Marine, I only lived on an
>>> actual military base in "base housing" twice in my life.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> Sorry Jill, misread on my part. It was Thailand not Korea. Navy has
>> little footprint in either place. We just pull in there for liberty
>> for the mostpart.
>>
>> Either way correct. If you do a full 20 without at least 2 overseas
>> tours, you've either been in a very specific narrow field of work where
>> that doesn't happen, or made career choices to avoid it (detrimental
>> overall to career to do that).
>>
>(snippage) My father was on the USS General M.L. Hersey in the South
>Pacific in WWII (he enlisted at age 17).
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Ge...Hersey_(AP-148)
>
>I have a photo around here somewhere of the entire ships company
>including the small contingent of Marines (and my very young father!).
>Oh, they had a dog on the ship, too. All of Dad's pals signed the back
>of that photo.
>
>My father also fought in Korea and Vietnam. I'd say he more than
>satisfied that "posting overseas" requirement. LOL In 1969 he selected
>a posting in Thailand. And yes, there was no "base housing". That's
>what Gary doesn't understand. There wasn't a military commissary or Px,
>either. We bought clothes from catalogs but sometimes Mom would take us
>to local tailors.
>
>Different from you, we had a live-in maid and a cook (mother and
>daughter, named Alum and Dook). They did most of the grocery shopping.
> They lived on the premises in a small apartment.
>
>My growing up as a miltiary dependent is totally unlike *your* and Don's
>Navy service experience.
>
>> Lots of other things but the difference was the local big air market
>> (all season, some parts enclosed) was on my way home when we lived in
>> the Cho (out in town, cho is a neighborhood and mine was right off
>> Tono-cho in Miura-cho). Base was 2 miles away. JUst before a
>> deloyment, all 3 of us would walk to the base Commisary with backpacks
>> and a pull cart for a stock up while I was gone of the heavy stuff but
>> the day to day was at the open air market 1/4 mile down the mountain
>> from us (on the way to the base).
>>
>I can't speak to the prices of food in Japan. I did go to some of the
>open air markets in Bangkok from time to time. Usually with our maid,
>Dook. But hey, I was a kid, I didn't pay attention to food prices. I
>do know we rented a 4 bedroom 2 bath house with four levels and a every
>bedroom had a balcony (the master bedroom had two and an en suite bath).
> The housing stipend covered it... $295 a month in 1969. The cook and
>maid were paid $40 and $30 a month each. I got the impression in
>1969/70 Bangkok *everything* was inexpensive.
>
>Unfortunately the house we lived in is long gone. The neighborhood has
>turned into a "chic" place to go with coffee shops and bars and
>boutiques and expensive crap. Noisy!
>
>Jill
Ask them, theyre here. "You can stop saying that now. Thank you."
--
Not Dave Smith.