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Sashimi vs. sushi quality
Is the fish used for sashimi by definition (or usually) a higher quality
than used for sushi, or is it just cut differently and served without rice? Thanks! -- "Anti-Catholicism is the anti-Semitism of liberals."--Peter Viereck |
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Sashimi vs. sushi quality
> wrote in message k.net... > Is the fish used for sashimi by definition (or usually) a higher quality > than used for sushi, or is it just cut differently and served without > rice? Thanks! In short, the fresher the better for either; you cannot therefore say that "sashimi quality" is any different from "sushi quality", and Gawd knows there are plenty of bad examples of both out there... Bob M. |
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"smithfarms pure kona" > wrote in message news  > On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 20:48:26 GMT, wrote: > > >Is the fish used for sashimi by definition (or usually) a higher > quality > >than used for sushi, or is it just cut differently and served without > >rice? Thanks! > > FYI We in Hawaii live relatively closely to Japan--and we have a lot > of Japanese influence as a result. The word <sashimi> means fresh raw > fish. The word <sushi> means a roll of rice, with small bits of > tastes in the very middle and covered in black dried seaweed-nori. I > know <sushi> has evolved to become an even fancier thing with mayo, > avocado, etc etc..... but its generic meaning is as I described. I > often stifle a grin when I see people further away from Japan that we > are, use the terms inter changeably. I agree with the post ahead of > mine, you always only want the freshest fish whether for sashimi or in > sushi. > aloha, Thunder > http://www.smithfarms.com > Farmers & Sellers of 100% > Kona Coffee & other Great Stuff I'm drooling for fresh Ahi sashimi now, mahalo Thunder. May have to hit Foodland for a block.........Yummmmmmmmmmmm! kili |
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"smithfarms pure kona" > wrote in message
news > On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 20:48:26 GMT, wrote: > > >Is the fish used for sashimi by definition (or usually) a higher > quality > >than used for sushi, or is it just cut differently and served without > >rice? Thanks! > > FYI We in Hawaii live relatively closely to Japan--and we have a lot > of Japanese influence as a result. The word <sashimi> means fresh raw > fish. The word <sushi> means a roll of rice, with small bits of > tastes in the very middle and covered in black dried seaweed-nori. That's not quite correct. The term sushi refers specifically to the vinegared rice. It may be served in a roll as you describe, but there are many other ways of serving it. -- Peter Aitken Remove the crap from my email address before using. |
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"smithfarms pure kona" > wrote in message news > > FYI We in Hawaii live relatively closely to Japan--and we have a lot > of Japanese influence as a result. The word <sashimi> means fresh raw > fish. The word <sushi> means a roll of rice, with small bits of > tastes in the very middle and covered in black dried seaweed-nori. That type of sushi (rolled with nori on the outside, cylindrical in shape) is specifically called maki-zushi. The kind you roll yourself (nori on the outside, conical in shape) is te-maki-zushi. The kind that most people think of as sushi (rice on the bottom, a bit of wasabi, fish/egg/whatever on top) is nigiri-zushi (except for ikura or uni, which has nori on the outside, but is not rolled like maki-zushi). Futomaki-zushi is long, wide maki-zushi that is not sliced. Then there's chirashi-zushi which is a whole other topic (imo). As for the word 'sushi', the actual kanji (Chinese characters) has nothing to do with fish or rice at all. IIRC, the character usually used for 'su' commonly means 'longevity' and I can't remember what 'shi' means, but not rice or fish or vinegar. There are other variations for writing 'sushi' which do involve 'fish' in the meaning, but not the most commonly seen one (which is at the bottom of http://member.nifty.ne.jp/maryy/eng/sushi_kanji.htm ). The kanji for sashimi has nothing to do with fish, either. The best site I've seen with definitions of different types of sushi and sashimi is at http://www.4japan.info/Food%20-%20sushi.htm . You may have to go to www.4japan.info first, then click on food, then sushi/sashimi. rona -- ***For e-mail, replace .com with .ca Sorry for the inconvenience!*** |
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Original mean of "su" is vinegar. "Susi" is an Japanese classic word
(adjective) that mean sour or acid. "Rona Yuthasastrakosol" > wrote in message ... > As for the word 'sushi', the actual kanji (Chinese characters) has nothing > to do with fish or rice at all. IIRC, the character usually used for 'su' > commonly means 'longevity' and I can't remember what 'shi' means, but not > rice or fish or vinegar. There are other variations for writing 'sushi' |
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"chyabo" > wrote in message ... > Original mean of "su" is vinegar. "Susi" is an Japanese classic word > (adjective) that mean sour or acid. > One meaning of 'su' is vinegar, but the kanji most commonly used for 'sushi' does not mean vinegar. The 'su' kanji that is part of 'su-shi', iirc, is kotobuki. It means longevity, as you probably know. Here's the kanji to which I am referring http://www.gahoh.com/movie/jouyoukan...ku/ju3C77.html . rona -- ***For e-mail, replace .com with .ca Sorry for the inconvenience!*** |
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"Rona Yuthasastrakosol" > wrote in message >...
> "chyabo" > wrote in message > ... > > Original mean of "su" is vinegar. "Susi" is an Japanese classic word > > (adjective) that mean sour or acid. > > > > One meaning of 'su' is vinegar, but the kanji most commonly used for 'sushi' > does not mean vinegar. The 'su' kanji that is part of 'su-shi', iirc, is > kotobuki. It means longevity, as you probably know. Here's the kanji to > which I am referring > http://www.gahoh.com/movie/jouyoukan...ku/ju3C77.html . That Kanji character is a phonetic equivalent. |
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> wrote in message news:ui9Zb.587 > Is the fish used for sashimi by definition (or usually) a higher quality > than used for sushi, or is it just cut differently and served without > rice? Thanks! My understanding from my time working in Japan years ago is that 'sashimi' denotes only the fish, whereas 'sushi' denotes the more formalized presentation, that may include rice, seaweed, etc. Neither word is a qualitative indicator. |
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"John Gaquin" > wrote in message
... > > > wrote in message news:ui9Zb.587 > > > Is the fish used for sashimi by definition (or usually) a higher quality > > than used for sushi, or is it just cut differently and served without > > rice? Thanks! > > My understanding from my time working in Japan years ago is that 'sashimi' > denotes only the fish, whereas 'sushi' denotes the more formalized > presentation, that may include rice, seaweed, etc. Neither word is a > qualitative indicator. > > "Sushi" refers specifically to the vinegared rice. You cannot have sushi without rice. -- Peter Aitken Remove the crap from my email address before using. |
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On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 19:09:43 -0500, "John Gaquin"
> wrote: > > wrote in message news:ui9Zb.587 > >> Is the fish used for sashimi by definition (or usually) a higher quality >> than used for sushi, or is it just cut differently and served without >> rice? Thanks! > >My understanding from my time working in Japan years ago is that 'sashimi' >denotes only the fish, whereas 'sushi' denotes the more formalized >presentation, that may include rice, seaweed, etc. Neither word is a >qualitative indicator. > We agree on the common words  indeed.aloha, Thunder http://www.smithfarms.com Farmers & Sellers of 100% Kona Coffee & other Great Stuff |
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"John Gaquin" > wrote: > 'sushi' denotes the more formalized > presentation, that may include rice, seaweed, etc. I, as a Japanese, feel it a quite interesting understanding. The English term "sushi" means "Edomae-zushi", "Nigiri-zushi". Its originated ralatively recent, in Edo-era. Initially, "sushi" was a fast food like McDonald hanburger or hot-dog. No conservative Japanese restaurant in Kyoto serve "suishi" as formal presentation. |
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"SB" > wrote: > "John Gaquin" > wrote: > > > > 'sushi' denotes the more formalized > > presentation, that may include rice, seaweed, etc. > > I, as a Japanese, feel it a quite interesting understanding. The English > term "sushi" means "Edomae-zushi", "Nigiri-zushi". Its originated > ralatively recent, in Edo-era. Initially, "sushi" was a fast food like > McDonald hanburger or hot-dog. No conservative Japanese restaurant in Kyoto > serve "suishi" as formal presentation. > Wow, this is funny. ;-) My papasan spent 4 years in Japan when he was in the air force... He's told me many times that he found the term "sushi" amusing because it meant "fast food"... He taught me to adore Sashimi but damn it's expensive! -- Sprout the Mung Bean to reply... >,,<Cat's Haven Hobby Farm>,,<Katra at centurytel dot net>,,< http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...user id=katra |
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"Frogleg" > wrote in message ... > On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 20:48:26 GMT, wrote: > > >Is the fish used for sashimi by definition (or usually) a higher quality > >than used for sushi, or is it just cut differently and served without > >rice? > > No and yes. So-called 'sushi grade' has about the same significance as > 'organic' used to. It simply means either very fresh or very quickly > frozen after catching. Since sashimi is raw fish, and sushi often > *includes* raw fish, you want the highest quality possible for both. But there is a specific cut of the fish that's used for sushi and sashimi. For instance, you wouldn't want to use the stringy belly of an Ahi for sashimi and you also don't want to use the dark dark blood red part of the fish. You want the cleanest, clearest part, sliced just *so* thin. It melts in your mouth then. No need fo' chew! kili |
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On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 13:21:43 GMT, "kilikini"
> wrote: >> On Thu, 19 Feb 2004 20:48:26 GMT, wrote: >> >> >Is the fish used for sashimi by definition (or usually) a higher quality >> >than used for sushi, or is it just cut differently and served without >> >rice? >But there is a specific cut of the fish that's used for sushi and sashimi. >For instance, you wouldn't want to use the stringy belly of an Ahi for >sashimi and you also don't want to use the dark dark blood red part of the >fish. You want the cleanest, clearest part, sliced just *so* thin. It >melts in your mouth then. No need fo' chew! The OP was asking if there was one *quality* of fish used for sushi and another for sashimi. I pointed out they both were composed (in part, in the case of sushi) raw fish, and that the same quality would be desirable for both preparations. Or lack of. :-) I believe the question he raised with regard to "cut" wasn't asking about if these were cut from different parts of the fish, but what shape/size the pieces for the final product were. I could be wrong. |
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I would have to say that the term "sashimi quality"; does not so much
refer to the fish so much, but , as to the flesh of the meat being firm. The meat should be as fresh as can be. The "quality" comes into play with the over-all health of the meat. The meat should be firm and of good color. By saying meat, this can refer to any animal protein source. Sashimi is a style of presentation. Kaldemious Loreman > wrote in message k.net... > Is the fish used for sashimi by definition (or usually) a higher quality > than used for sushi, or is it just cut differently and served without > rice? Thanks! > > -- > > "Anti-Catholicism is the anti-Semitism of liberals."--Peter Viereck |
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Sashimi is a type of sushi. ``````````````````````````` On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 19:06:10 -0500, "Kaldemious_Loreman" > wrote: > I would have to say that the term "sashimi quality"; does not so much > refer to the fish so much, but , as to the flesh of the meat being firm. > The meat should be as fresh as can be. The "quality" comes into play > with the over-all health of the meat. The meat should be firm and of good > color. By saying meat, this can refer to any animal protein source. Sashimi > is a style of presentation. > > Kaldemious Loreman > > > wrote in message > k.net... > > Is the fish used for sashimi by definition (or usually) a higher quality > > than used for sushi, or is it just cut differently and served without > > rice? Thanks! > > sf Practice safe eating - always use condiments |
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"sf" > wrote in message ... > Sashimi is a type of sushi. No it isn't. Sashimi is raw fish. It never has rice (although rice is served with it). Sushi is seasoned rice, often with raw fish but not always (sometimes cooked fish, sometimes not fish at all). Hal Laurent Baltimore |
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sf wrote:
>Sashimi is a type of sushi. > >``````````````````````````` > >On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 19:06:10 -0500, "Kaldemious_Loreman" > wrote: > > > >> I would have to say that the term "sashimi quality"; does not so much >> refer to the fish so much, but , as to the flesh of the meat being firm. >> The meat should be as fresh as can be. The "quality" comes into play >> with the over-all health of the meat. The meat should be firm and of good >> color. By saying meat, this can refer to any animal protein source. Sashimi >> is a style of presentation. >> >> Kaldemious Loreman >> >> > wrote in message >> k.net... >> > Is the fish used for sashimi by definition (or usually) a higher quality >> > than used for sushi, or is it just cut differently and served without >> > rice? Thanks! >> > >> >> > > >sf >Practice safe eating - always use condiments > > Don't think so. I think "sushi" is actually the word for vinegared rice. Bubba -- You wanna measure, or you wanna cook? |
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"sf" > wrote in message
... > > Sashimi is a type of sushi. > > ``````````````````````````` Not so. Sushi refers to the vinegared rice - the other ingredients can be almost anything including eggs, vegetables, seaweed, pickles, and cooked or raw fish. Sashimi is raw seafood served by itself (no rice). -- Peter Aitken Remove the crap from my email address before using. |
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"Peter Aitken" > wrote in message m... > "sf" > wrote in message > ... > > > > Sashimi is a type of sushi. > > > > ``````````````````````````` > > Not so. Sushi refers to the vinegared rice - the other ingredients can be > almost anything including eggs, vegetables, seaweed, pickles, and cooked or > raw fish. Sashimi is raw seafood served by itself (no rice). > Correct with the qualifier that some seafood (octopus & shrimp come to mind) can be served cooked as sashimi, yes? pavane |
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"pavane" > wrote in message
m... > > "Peter Aitken" > wrote in message > m... > > "sf" > wrote in message > > ... > > > > > > Sashimi is a type of sushi. > > > > > > ``````````````````````````` > > > > Not so. Sushi refers to the vinegared rice - the other ingredients can be > > almost anything including eggs, vegetables, seaweed, pickles, and cooked > or > > raw fish. Sashimi is raw seafood served by itself (no rice). > > > > Correct with the qualifier that some seafood (octopus & shrimp come > to mind) can be served cooked as sashimi, yes? > > pavane > > I believe so. -- Peter Aitken Remove the crap from my email address before using. |
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"pavane" > wrote in message m... > > "Peter Aitken" > wrote in message > m... >> "sf" > wrote in message >> ... >> > >> > Sashimi is a type of sushi. >> > >> > ``````````````````````````` >> >> Not so. Sushi refers to the vinegared rice - the other ingredients can be >> almost anything including eggs, vegetables, seaweed, pickles, and cooked > or >> raw fish. Sashimi is raw seafood served by itself (no rice). >> > > Correct with the qualifier that some seafood (octopus & shrimp come > to mind) can be served cooked as sashimi, yes? > http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e2044.html Raw, fish, shrimp or octopus can be sashimi. Raw octopus is often called "tako". Probably the most popular sashimi in Hawaii is yellow-fin tuna ("Ahi") http://searchtuna.com/ftlive/3566.html "Sashimi grade" means, most importantly, it is checked for parasites, as you would not want those served to be "hosts" following the meal. Sashimi grade tuna is also a uniform rectangular "block". |
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"pavane" > wrote in message
m... > > "Peter Aitken" > wrote in message > m... > > "sf" > wrote in message > > ... > > > > > > Sashimi is a type of sushi. > > > > > > ``````````````````````````` > > > > Not so. Sushi refers to the vinegared rice - the other ingredients can be > > almost anything including eggs, vegetables, seaweed, pickles, and cooked > or > > raw fish. Sashimi is raw seafood served by itself (no rice). > > > > Correct with the qualifier that some seafood (octopus & shrimp come > to mind) can be served cooked as sashimi, yes? > > pavane > > I believe so. -- Peter Aitken Remove the crap from my email address before using. |
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In article > ,
"Peter Aitken" > wrote: > "sf" > wrote in message > ... > > > > Sashimi is a type of sushi. > > > > ``````````````````````````` > > Not so. Sushi refers to the vinegared rice - the other ingredients can be > almost anything including eggs, vegetables, seaweed, pickles, and cooked or > raw fish. Sashimi is raw seafood served by itself (no rice). According to my Japanese dictionary, sashimi is fresh meat eaten raw, thinly cut, with soy sauce (or other). It is mostly seafood, but not only. There is basashi (sashimi of horse meat) and I think I saw once beef carpaccio referred to as sashimi too. Mite http://www.shopncook.com |
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Mite > wrote in
: > I think I saw once beef carpaccio referred to as sashimi > too. > I believe this is known as tataki. Lovely dipped in raw egg yolk K -- nil illegitimi carborundum |
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Mite > wrote in
: > I think I saw once beef carpaccio referred to as sashimi > too. > I believe this is known as tataki. Lovely dipped in raw egg yolk K -- nil illegitimi carborundum |
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sf wrote: > > Sashimi is a type of sushi. My Japanese dictionary of food disagrees with you. Sashimi doesn't involve rice while sushi does. > > ``````````````````````````` > > On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 19:06:10 -0500, "Kaldemious_Loreman" > > wrote: > > > I would have to say that the term "sashimi quality"; does not so much > > refer to the fish so much, but , as to the flesh of the meat being firm. > > The meat should be as fresh as can be. The "quality" comes into play > > with the over-all health of the meat. The meat should be firm and of good > > color. By saying meat, this can refer to any animal protein source. Sashimi > > is a style of presentation. > > > > Kaldemious Loreman > > > > > wrote in message > > k.net... > > > Is the fish used for sashimi by definition (or usually) a higher quality > > > than used for sushi, or is it just cut differently and served without > > > rice? Thanks! > > > > > sf > Practice safe eating - always use condiments |
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On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 16:44:37 -0700, Arri London >
wrote: > > >sf wrote: >> >> Sashimi is a type of sushi. > >My Japanese dictionary of food disagrees with you. Sashimi doesn't >involve rice while sushi does. > Having lived in Hawaii with a tremendous Japanese influence all of my life, I assure you that sashimi is raw fish (sashimi "quality" refers to the highest quality/price of raw fish,) while sushi is vinegared rice with stuff inside...and in olden days, before "California sushi" was much more pedestrian than sashimi. aloha, Thunder smithfarms.com Farmers of 100% Kona Coffee & other Great Stuff |
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On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 16:44:37 -0700, Arri London >
wrote: > > >sf wrote: >> >> Sashimi is a type of sushi. > >My Japanese dictionary of food disagrees with you. Sashimi doesn't >involve rice while sushi does. > Having lived in Hawaii with a tremendous Japanese influence all of my life, I assure you that sashimi is raw fish (sashimi "quality" refers to the highest quality/price of raw fish,) while sushi is vinegared rice with stuff inside...and in olden days, before "California sushi" was much more pedestrian than sashimi. aloha, Thunder smithfarms.com Farmers of 100% Kona Coffee & other Great Stuff |
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I would have to say that the term "sashimi quality"; does not so much
refer to the fish so much, but , as to the flesh of the meat being firm. The meat should be as fresh as can be. The "quality" comes into play with the over-all health of the meat. The meat should be firm and of good color. By saying meat, this can refer to any animal protein source. Sashimi is a style of presentation. Kaldemious Loreman > wrote in message k.net... > Is the fish used for sashimi by definition (or usually) a higher quality > than used for sushi, or is it just cut differently and served without > rice? Thanks! > > -- > > "Anti-Catholicism is the anti-Semitism of liberals."--Peter Viereck |
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