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i've lost two jean sizes, and my fasting lab work has never looked
better. with a resting heart rate of 50 and walking two miles (4mph) three times a week, i have never felt better. -- > wrote in message ... : On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 19:56:07 GMT, "Peter Aitken" : > wrote: : : > wrote in message : .. . : >> On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 16:44:19 GMT, Nancy Howells : >> > wrote: : >> : >> >In article >, GQ : >> > wrote: : >> > : >> >> Is there anyone here doing Atkin's Diet? If so, how do you like it and : >> >> has it worked for you? : >> > : >> >I'm doing it - or rather, was. I'm currently on a little haitus. : >> >However, I've lost (and kept off) nearly 100 pounds. I have more to go, : >> >but will re-start in a couple of weeks. : >> : >> Why would anyone go on Atkins? You'd have to be a complete idiot. : >> The guy died as a result of his own diet. WAKE UP !!!! : >> And, why do you need ANYONE to tell you how to diet? Are you too : >> stupid to figure out by yourself that all you need to do is stop : >> eating like a pig, and get some exercise. How hard is that? : >> A good head shrink will do you more good than Atkins, because they can : >> help you overcome your addiction to food, if you dont have any self : >> control. : >> : > : >You are astonisingly ignorant. : : You MUST be looking in a mirror when you say that. : I'm not the one on that health destroying diet !!!! : I'm not stupid enough to get brainwashed by some idiot who only wants : to make money off of suckers. That makes you a sucker !!! : |
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i've lost two jean sizes, and my fasting lab work has never looked
better. with a resting heart rate of 50 and walking two miles (4mph) three times a week, i have never felt better. -- > wrote in message ... : On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 19:56:07 GMT, "Peter Aitken" : > wrote: : : > wrote in message : .. . : >> On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 16:44:19 GMT, Nancy Howells : >> > wrote: : >> : >> >In article >, GQ : >> > wrote: : >> > : >> >> Is there anyone here doing Atkin's Diet? If so, how do you like it and : >> >> has it worked for you? : >> > : >> >I'm doing it - or rather, was. I'm currently on a little haitus. : >> >However, I've lost (and kept off) nearly 100 pounds. I have more to go, : >> >but will re-start in a couple of weeks. : >> : >> Why would anyone go on Atkins? You'd have to be a complete idiot. : >> The guy died as a result of his own diet. WAKE UP !!!! : >> And, why do you need ANYONE to tell you how to diet? Are you too : >> stupid to figure out by yourself that all you need to do is stop : >> eating like a pig, and get some exercise. How hard is that? : >> A good head shrink will do you more good than Atkins, because they can : >> help you overcome your addiction to food, if you dont have any self : >> control. : >> : > : >You are astonisingly ignorant. : : You MUST be looking in a mirror when you say that. : I'm not the one on that health destroying diet !!!! : I'm not stupid enough to get brainwashed by some idiot who only wants : to make money off of suckers. That makes you a sucker !!! : |
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> wrote in message
... > On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 19:56:07 GMT, "Peter Aitken" > > wrote: > > > wrote in message > .. . > >> On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 16:44:19 GMT, Nancy Howells > >> Why would anyone go on Atkins? You'd have to be a complete idiot. > >> The guy died as a result of his own diet. WAKE UP !!!! > >> And, why do you need ANYONE to tell you how to diet? Are you too > >> stupid to figure out by yourself that all you need to do is stop > >> eating like a pig, and get some exercise. How hard is that? > >> A good head shrink will do you more good than Atkins, because they can > >> help you overcome your addiction to food, if you dont have any self > >> control. > >> > > > >You are astonisingly ignorant. > > You MUST be looking in a mirror when you say that. > I'm not the one on that health destroying diet !!!! > I'm not stupid enough to get brainwashed by some idiot who only wants > to make money off of suckers. That makes you a sucker !!! > Is there a word for "more than astonishingly?" If so then put it before "ignorant," and it applies to you. Not that you will understand, but: 1) Dr. Atkin's death had nothing to do with his diet. He fell and broke his head. 2) There are quite a few controlled medical studies that show that the Atkins diet does not have adverse effects on health. 3) Hundreds of thousands of people have done the diet and lost weight while improving their blood chemistry. God, it is depressing how many terminally stupid people there are in this world. Yes, I mean you. -- Peter Aitken Remove the crap from my email address before using. |
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> wrote in message
... > On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 19:56:07 GMT, "Peter Aitken" > > wrote: > > > wrote in message > .. . > >> On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 16:44:19 GMT, Nancy Howells > >> Why would anyone go on Atkins? You'd have to be a complete idiot. > >> The guy died as a result of his own diet. WAKE UP !!!! > >> And, why do you need ANYONE to tell you how to diet? Are you too > >> stupid to figure out by yourself that all you need to do is stop > >> eating like a pig, and get some exercise. How hard is that? > >> A good head shrink will do you more good than Atkins, because they can > >> help you overcome your addiction to food, if you dont have any self > >> control. > >> > > > >You are astonisingly ignorant. > > You MUST be looking in a mirror when you say that. > I'm not the one on that health destroying diet !!!! > I'm not stupid enough to get brainwashed by some idiot who only wants > to make money off of suckers. That makes you a sucker !!! > Is there a word for "more than astonishingly?" If so then put it before "ignorant," and it applies to you. Not that you will understand, but: 1) Dr. Atkin's death had nothing to do with his diet. He fell and broke his head. 2) There are quite a few controlled medical studies that show that the Atkins diet does not have adverse effects on health. 3) Hundreds of thousands of people have done the diet and lost weight while improving their blood chemistry. God, it is depressing how many terminally stupid people there are in this world. Yes, I mean you. -- Peter Aitken Remove the crap from my email address before using. |
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In article >, "A.C."
> wrote: > GQ wrote: > > > Is there anyone here doing Atkin's Diet? If so, how do you like it and > > has it worked for you? > > I don't do atkins. I do the really strange and not too much used method > of > eating moderately and getting exercise. I think low carb is a necessity > for > people with blood sugar problems. otherwise, people would benefit from > moderation and exercise. > > Add Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome to that list of conditions people have you need to do low-carb, will you? Goodness knows I have. -- Nancy Howells (don't forget to switch it, and replace the  to send mail). |
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In article >, "A.C."
> wrote: > GQ wrote: > > > Is there anyone here doing Atkin's Diet? If so, how do you like it and > > has it worked for you? > > I don't do atkins. I do the really strange and not too much used method > of > eating moderately and getting exercise. I think low carb is a necessity > for > people with blood sugar problems. otherwise, people would benefit from > moderation and exercise. > > Add Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome to that list of conditions people have you need to do low-carb, will you? Goodness knows I have. -- Nancy Howells (don't forget to switch it, and replace the to send mail). |
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I started with the Atins diet on 01 August 2002 and as of 01 August 2004 I have
gone from a 46" waist to a 36" waist. Down from 329# to 224#. My blood work is better than it has been in years and I no longer need meds for hypertension. Dan |
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Peter Aitken wrote:
> 2) There are quite a few controlled medical studies that show that the > Atkins diet does not have adverse effects on health. Not an attack; just curious to read what's available. Can you point me to any long-term studies? The ones I've seen compared various diets and lasted about 6 months; after 6 months there were no longer a statiscally signifiant number of participants doing any of the diets. > 3) Hundreds of thousands of people have done the diet and lost weight while > improving their blood chemistry. Well, just losing weight will improve the blood chemistry of many people. If people can healthfully lose weight and keep it off, more power to 'em. --Charlene -- THE TERMITE Some primal termite knocked on wood And tasted it, and found it good, And that is why your Cousin May Fell through the parlor floor today. --Ogden Nash email perronnelle at earthlink . net |
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"Charlene Charette" > wrote in message
nk.net... > Peter Aitken wrote: > > > 2) There are quite a few controlled medical studies that show that the > > Atkins diet does not have adverse effects on health. > > Not an attack; just curious to read what's available. Can you point me > to any long-term studies? The ones I've seen compared various diets and > lasted about 6 months; after 6 months there were no longer a statiscally > signifiant number of participants doing any of the diets. > I do not have the details at my fingertips. I know a couple were done at Duke Medical Center (where I work) and perhaps the Atkins site has references. > > 3) Hundreds of thousands of people have done the diet and lost weight while > > improving their blood chemistry. > > Well, just losing weight will improve the blood chemistry of many > people. If people can healthfully lose weight and keep it off, more > power to 'em. > True - but the Atkins diet lets people eat more foods, such as eggs and cheese, that are supposed to be bad for your blood chemistry. As a result many people were legitimately worried that the Atkins diet would make blood chemistry worse. The research shows that this is not the case, and that's the point that many people cannot get thru their heads. -- Peter Aitken Remove the crap from my email address before using. |
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>True - but the Atkins diet lets people eat more foods, such as eggs and
>cheese, that are supposed to be bad for your blood chemistry Yes and research has now proven some of the past myths about eggs and cheese products to be unfounded. Following is a slightly lengthy statement on eggs that I thought you might find interesting if you want to take the time to read it. ************************************************* Eggs have a great nutritional wealth. To have eggs in our diet give us many nutritional profits for our health. However, during the 60s an overstated fear to cholesterol spread throughout the world owing to the risk to suffer cardiovascular conditions. Egg consumption was significantly reduced in Western countries due to its high content of cholesterol. Afterwards, many researches about this issue stated that only 20% of people suffer an increase of plasmatic cholesterol after a large intake of dietetic cholesterol. On the one hand, there are other factors that may affect to cholesterolemia such as genetic causes, low or fast intestine transit, sedentary lifestyle and obesity. On the other hand, there are other factors that can help to absorb cholesterol such as fibre intake, phytosterol and other sterols from sea animals. Results of researches conducted in nutritional epidemiology during the last years showed a low increase in plasmatic cholesterol levels when modifying the intake of dietetic cholesterol. The largest research carried on epidemiology (118,000 men and women) to analyse the relationship between egg consumption and cardiovascular conditions showed that eating one egg a day had no significant impact in mortality of these processes4. The effect of a consumption of 3, 7 and 14 eggs a week was measured in three groups of healthy young people. After five months managing their diet, there were no important differences in plasmatic lipids. Healthy adults were also tested but adding 2 eggs a day. In six weeks the test showed that HDL cholesterol had increased 10%, total cholesterol 4% and the ratio total cholesterol / HDL cholesterol remain the same. On the other hand researches conducted by Kerver et al. showed that people who ate more than four eggs a week had lower seric cholesterol than people who usually eat one (or less than one) egg a week. Restrictions in egg consumption and considering eggs as dangerous food owing to cholesterol have not been suggested by comprehensive scientific researches made in this sense the last two decades2. To reduce cardiovascular risk it is more important to fight obesity, to limit the intake of total and saturated fats and to change the lifestyle of Western societies, especially sedentary lifestyle. Recent researches report that eggs are also an available source of carotenoids (luteine, zeaxanthene). These antioxidant compounds can help to prevent macular degeneration and to delay the appearance of cataracts. |
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>True - but the Atkins diet lets people eat more foods, such as eggs and
>cheese, that are supposed to be bad for your blood chemistry Yes and research has now proven some of the past myths about eggs and cheese products to be unfounded. Following is a slightly lengthy statement on eggs that I thought you might find interesting if you want to take the time to read it. ************************************************* Eggs have a great nutritional wealth. To have eggs in our diet give us many nutritional profits for our health. However, during the 60s an overstated fear to cholesterol spread throughout the world owing to the risk to suffer cardiovascular conditions. Egg consumption was significantly reduced in Western countries due to its high content of cholesterol. Afterwards, many researches about this issue stated that only 20% of people suffer an increase of plasmatic cholesterol after a large intake of dietetic cholesterol. On the one hand, there are other factors that may affect to cholesterolemia such as genetic causes, low or fast intestine transit, sedentary lifestyle and obesity. On the other hand, there are other factors that can help to absorb cholesterol such as fibre intake, phytosterol and other sterols from sea animals. Results of researches conducted in nutritional epidemiology during the last years showed a low increase in plasmatic cholesterol levels when modifying the intake of dietetic cholesterol. The largest research carried on epidemiology (118,000 men and women) to analyse the relationship between egg consumption and cardiovascular conditions showed that eating one egg a day had no significant impact in mortality of these processes4. The effect of a consumption of 3, 7 and 14 eggs a week was measured in three groups of healthy young people. After five months managing their diet, there were no important differences in plasmatic lipids. Healthy adults were also tested but adding 2 eggs a day. In six weeks the test showed that HDL cholesterol had increased 10%, total cholesterol 4% and the ratio total cholesterol / HDL cholesterol remain the same. On the other hand researches conducted by Kerver et al. showed that people who ate more than four eggs a week had lower seric cholesterol than people who usually eat one (or less than one) egg a week. Restrictions in egg consumption and considering eggs as dangerous food owing to cholesterol have not been suggested by comprehensive scientific researches made in this sense the last two decades2. To reduce cardiovascular risk it is more important to fight obesity, to limit the intake of total and saturated fats and to change the lifestyle of Western societies, especially sedentary lifestyle. Recent researches report that eggs are also an available source of carotenoids (luteine, zeaxanthene). These antioxidant compounds can help to prevent macular degeneration and to delay the appearance of cataracts. |
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"Peter Aitken" > wrote: > "Charlene Charette" > wrote in message > nk.net... > > Peter Aitken wrote: > > > > > 2) There are quite a few controlled medical studies that show that the > > > Atkins diet does not have adverse effects on health. > > > > Not an attack; just curious to read what's available. Can you point me > > to any long-term studies? The ones I've seen compared various diets and > > lasted about 6 months; after 6 months there were no longer a statiscally > > signifiant number of participants doing any of the diets. > > > > I do not have the details at my fingertips. I know a couple were done at > Duke Medical Center (where I work) and perhaps the Atkins site has > references. > > > > 3) Hundreds of thousands of people have done the diet and lost weight > while > > > improving their blood chemistry. > > > > Well, just losing weight will improve the blood chemistry of many > > people. If people can healthfully lose weight and keep it off, more > > power to 'em. > > > > True - but the Atkins diet lets people eat more foods, such as eggs and > cheese, that are supposed to be bad for your blood chemistry. As a result > many people were legitimately worried that the Atkins diet would make blood > chemistry worse. The research shows that this is not the case, and that's > the point that many people cannot get thru their heads. After being brainwashed for so many years, it's hard to get the formula that starch/sugar = bad and fat = good. ;-) I don't actually eat a lot of fat just because I really don't like it. I do mostly protien and fresh green veggies.... I LIKE veggies! -- K. Sprout the Mung Bean to reply... >,,<Cat's Haven Hobby Farm>,,<Katraatcenturyteldotnet>,,< http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...user id=katra |
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Katra wrote:
> I don't actually eat a lot of fat just because I really don't like it. > I do mostly protien and fresh green veggies.... I LIKE veggies! > I'm with you there. I don't mind a little bit of fat in my meat, but when I have steaks or chops I usually trim off the outer strip of fat and save it for the dogs. My wife doesn't bother trimming it, and then she eats half of my fat that was intended for the dogs. |
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>Dave <S>Smith</S> Sprat
> >Katra wrote: > >> I don't actually eat a lot of fat just because I really don't like it. >> I do mostly protien and fresh green veggies.... I LIKE veggies! >> > >I'm with you there. I don't mind a little bit of fat in my meat, but when I >have >steaks or chops I usually trim off the outer strip of fat and save it for >the dogs. >My wife doesn't bother trimming it, and then she eats half of my fat that was >intended >for the dogs. Mr. and Mrs. Sprat I presume. hehe ---= BOYCOTT FRANCE (belgium) GERMANY--SPAIN =--- ---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =--- ********* "Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation." Sheldon ```````````` |
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In article >,
Dave Smith > wrote: > Katra wrote: > > > I don't actually eat a lot of fat just because I really don't like it. > > I do mostly protien and fresh green veggies.... I LIKE veggies! > > > > I'm with you there. I don't mind a little bit of fat in my meat, but when I > have > steaks or chops I usually trim off the outer strip of fat and save it for > the dogs. > My wife doesn't bother trimming it, and then she eats half of my fat that was > intended > for the dogs. > > <lol> I've seen that... ;-) I usually go ahead and cook it, then trim it off for the cats. They seem to like it better cooked. Sometimes I crave fat, especially if I've been deliberately restricting it. Then crispy fried fat or grilled fat is the _gods_! I remember back when I was keeping a food log and actually keeping track of daily fat grams and percentages. Took me 1/2 hour per day to do all the math. <G> I found that when I cut back to less than 10% fat daily, I'd start craving it after about 3 days. 15% to 25% daily fat intake seemed to keep it under control. You do need essential fatty acids in your diet, so the trick is to figure out what to eat. Avocados, nuts and olive oil usually fit the bill and curb the cravings, and are much healthier than animal fat. -- K. Sprout the Mung Bean to reply... >,,<Cat's Haven Hobby Farm>,,<Katraatcenturyteldotnet>,,< http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...user id=katra |
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excellent...congratulations... I too, no longer need BP meds and my
cholesterol is down to (good 145, bad 70). I did South Beach. Started 1/4/04 at 236 and am now 183 (my target weight). -- RTEXASCWBY wrote: >I started with the Atins diet on 01 August 2002 and as of 01 August > 2004 I have gone from a 46" waist to a 36" waist. Down from 329# to > 224#. My blood work is better than it has been in years and I no > longer need meds for hypertension. > > Dan |
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excellent...congratulations... I too, no longer need BP meds and my
cholesterol is down to (good 145, bad 70). I did South Beach. Started 1/4/04 at 236 and am now 183 (my target weight). -- RTEXASCWBY wrote: >I started with the Atins diet on 01 August 2002 and as of 01 August > 2004 I have gone from a 46" waist to a 36" waist. Down from 329# to > 224#. My blood work is better than it has been in years and I no > longer need meds for hypertension. > > Dan |
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>Thanks for letting me know. That sounds great. How hard was it doing
>the "induction" part when you did it? It was really easy for me because of the foods allowed that I really like. Eggs, cheese, meats. I actually did the full induction for 3 months instead of 14 days. At the end of 3 months, I kept the same diet but added alcohol back. I am still pretty much with the same thing with the exception of I now eat green veggies several times a week. When I seem to plateau, I cut out the booze for a week. |
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>Thanks for letting me know. That sounds great. How hard was it doing
>the "induction" part when you did it? It was really easy for me because of the foods allowed that I really like. Eggs, cheese, meats. I actually did the full induction for 3 months instead of 14 days. At the end of 3 months, I kept the same diet but added alcohol back. I am still pretty much with the same thing with the exception of I now eat green veggies several times a week. When I seem to plateau, I cut out the booze for a week. |
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Graphic Queen wrote: > On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 18:03:56 GMT, Charlene Charette > wrote: > > >Peter Aitken wrote: > > > >> 2) There are quite a few controlled medical studies that show that the > >> Atkins diet does not have adverse effects on health. > > > >Not an attack; just curious to read what's available. Can you point me > >to any long-term studies? The ones I've seen compared various diets and > >lasted about 6 months; after 6 months there were no longer a statiscally > >signifiant number of participants doing any of the diets. > > > > > >> 3) Hundreds of thousands of people have done the diet and lost weight while > >> improving their blood chemistry. > > > >Well, just losing weight will improve the blood chemistry of many > >people. If people can healthfully lose weight and keep it off, more > >power to 'em. > > > >--Charlene > > But not all. I am one of those people who is overweight and have been > on and off most of my life but after cancer treatments the weight > stayed with more piled on top of it. During all of my life and now my > blood work has always been in good shape. My cholesterol has been and > still is in the 150 range and my blood pressure has and is steady and > in good shape. Losing weight is healthy no matter HOW you get there. My wife religiously reminds me of this. |
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Graphic Queen wrote: > On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 18:03:56 GMT, Charlene Charette > wrote: > > >Peter Aitken wrote: > > > >> 2) There are quite a few controlled medical studies that show that the > >> Atkins diet does not have adverse effects on health. > > > >Not an attack; just curious to read what's available. Can you point me > >to any long-term studies? The ones I've seen compared various diets and > >lasted about 6 months; after 6 months there were no longer a statiscally > >signifiant number of participants doing any of the diets. > > > > > >> 3) Hundreds of thousands of people have done the diet and lost weight while > >> improving their blood chemistry. > > > >Well, just losing weight will improve the blood chemistry of many > >people. If people can healthfully lose weight and keep it off, more > >power to 'em. > > > >--Charlene > > But not all. I am one of those people who is overweight and have been > on and off most of my life but after cancer treatments the weight > stayed with more piled on top of it. During all of my life and now my > blood work has always been in good shape. My cholesterol has been and > still is in the 150 range and my blood pressure has and is steady and > in good shape. Losing weight is healthy no matter HOW you get there. My wife religiously reminds me of this. |
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yuio wrote:
> > Losing weight is healthy no matter HOW you get there. My wife > religiously reminds me of this. Actually, that is not true. You can lose a lot of weight quickly by eating too little to keep the machine working. Your blood sugar level drops dangerously low. The body starts to run low on important elements. It starts to feed on it's own protein. People have been know to starve to death, not usually not their idea, but it does happen. Your wife's suggestion that their weight loss was a good thing will fall on dead hears. |
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yuio wrote:
> > Losing weight is healthy no matter HOW you get there. My wife > religiously reminds me of this. Actually, that is not true. You can lose a lot of weight quickly by eating too little to keep the machine working. Your blood sugar level drops dangerously low. The body starts to run low on important elements. It starts to feed on it's own protein. People have been know to starve to death, not usually not their idea, but it does happen. Your wife's suggestion that their weight loss was a good thing will fall on dead hears. |
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yuio wrote:
> Losing weight is healthy no matter HOW you get there. My wife > religiously reminds me of this. That is so not true that I have to answer in case there's someone out there who might be misled. Losing weight too fast can be a problem. A pound a week is about as fast as anyone should try for on any sort of diet. One can lose weight because of a variety of illnesses. Even if you're overweight, if you're losing and don't know why, see a doctor to discover the cause. On a slightly related topic, this has happened more than once: A casual friend meets a casual friend after a long absence and compliments him/her on looking so great and being so trim. The newly thin person then informs the other that the weight loss is due to the ravaging effects of cancer. Folks, be careful with you compliments; you could be putting your foot in your mouth. --Lia |
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yuio wrote:
> Losing weight is healthy no matter HOW you get there. My wife > religiously reminds me of this. That is so not true that I have to answer in case there's someone out there who might be misled. Losing weight too fast can be a problem. A pound a week is about as fast as anyone should try for on any sort of diet. One can lose weight because of a variety of illnesses. Even if you're overweight, if you're losing and don't know why, see a doctor to discover the cause. On a slightly related topic, this has happened more than once: A casual friend meets a casual friend after a long absence and compliments him/her on looking so great and being so trim. The newly thin person then informs the other that the weight loss is due to the ravaging effects of cancer. Folks, be careful with you compliments; you could be putting your foot in your mouth. --Lia |
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>The induction only allows 20 carbs per day. That wasn't hard for you?
To be honest, no. It was not hard for me even though I have always eaten rice, pasta and potatoes at any opportunity. And I did not allow myself even the 20 carbs. At this stage I even limit my "food" carbs to under 20 per day. |
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>The induction only allows 20 carbs per day. That wasn't hard for you?
To be honest, no. It was not hard for me even though I have always eaten rice, pasta and potatoes at any opportunity. And I did not allow myself even the 20 carbs. At this stage I even limit my "food" carbs to under 20 per day. |
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>The induction only allows 20 carbs per day. That wasn't hard for you?
To be honest, no. It was not hard for me even though I have always eaten rice, pasta and potatoes at any opportunity. And I did not allow myself even the 20 carbs. At this stage I even limit my "food" carbs to under 20 per day. |
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GQ > wrote:
>Is there anyone here doing Atkin's Diet? If so, how do you like it and >has it worked for you? Been on it almost a year. Lost 80-85 lbs. Still more to go, but I don't expect to make any more progress during the holiday season. I did not shy away from fats (eggs, cheese, bacon, etc) and my cholesterol improved significantly. My HDL (good cholesterol) doubled (95% increase). LDL maintained, and triglycerides/VLDL reduced by 65%. My triglycerides are only 55 now(excellent). Total cholesterol under 180. I'm finding maintenance is easy, even when I overdo. You'll find plenty of uninformed negative opinions about it. Including those with Ph.D. at the end of their name. A clinical year long study(one of the longest studies ever) of low fat vs low-carb found that they lost similar amounts of weight (low carb insignificantly higher), with low-carb having a lead at the 6 month point. Most importantly, the low-fat group didn't improve their blood lipids (cholestrol/fats). The low carb DID improve. That is a huge piece of informtaion since it counters what ever doctor believed for the last 30 years. NO wonder so many people do low-fat to lose weight and reduce cholesterol and when they lose the weight the doctor turns around and says "your choleterol is still high, you need to take this expensive medication from now on." DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email) |
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GQ > wrote:
>Is there anyone here doing Atkin's Diet? If so, how do you like it and >has it worked for you? Been on it almost a year. Lost 80-85 lbs. Still more to go, but I don't expect to make any more progress during the holiday season. I did not shy away from fats (eggs, cheese, bacon, etc) and my cholesterol improved significantly. My HDL (good cholesterol) doubled (95% increase). LDL maintained, and triglycerides/VLDL reduced by 65%. My triglycerides are only 55 now(excellent). Total cholesterol under 180. I'm finding maintenance is easy, even when I overdo. You'll find plenty of uninformed negative opinions about it. Including those with Ph.D. at the end of their name. A clinical year long study(one of the longest studies ever) of low fat vs low-carb found that they lost similar amounts of weight (low carb insignificantly higher), with low-carb having a lead at the 6 month point. Most importantly, the low-fat group didn't improve their blood lipids (cholestrol/fats). The low carb DID improve. That is a huge piece of informtaion since it counters what ever doctor believed for the last 30 years. NO wonder so many people do low-fat to lose weight and reduce cholesterol and when they lose the weight the doctor turns around and says "your choleterol is still high, you need to take this expensive medication from now on." DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email) |
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>On 11 Dec 2004 19:09:25 GMT, (RTEXASCWBY) wrote: > >>>Thanks for letting me know. That sounds great. How hard was it doing >>>the "induction" part when you did it? >> >> >>It was really easy for me because of the foods allowed that I really like. >>Eggs, cheese, meats. I actually did the full induction for 3 months instead of >>14 days. At the end of 3 months, I kept the same diet but added alcohol back. >>I am still pretty much with the same thing with the exception of I now eat >>green veggies several times a week. When I seem to plateau, I cut out the >>booze for a week. > >The induction only allows 20 carbs per day. That wasn't hard for you? >lucky you. I am hoping that I can do the induction for longer than the >2 weeks, though I doubt that would be able to go for 3 months. But who >knows. Don't. A successful "diet" is when it results in a permanent change in eating. If you can't stick to it, you may suffer a severe bounce back of weight. Not to mention wrongly thinking not sticking to an extreme phase of a diet is a "failure". Induction is a shock treatment--to illustrate to the dieters the severe effects excess sugar have been having on them--but it is not maintainable. Your body will eventually fight you on it. I did 5 weeks of induction and then boredom got to me. However I lost weight better at 35 carbs and I felt better once I moved above 25 carbs. I will probably never do 20 a day--it takes a lot of willpower and structure. I may go real low for a day or two to counter a bad day. But most people lose weight staying under 50 carbs a day. That is often enough to have the desired effect of reducing sugar cravings, especially if you stick to healthier low-glycemic foods (low sugar veggies, high fiber products, whole grains). DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email) |
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Graphic Queen > wrote:
>On 11 Dec 2004 19:09:25 GMT, (RTEXASCWBY) wrote: > >>>Thanks for letting me know. That sounds great. How hard was it doing >>>the "induction" part when you did it? >> >> >>It was really easy for me because of the foods allowed that I really like. >>Eggs, cheese, meats. I actually did the full induction for 3 months instead of >>14 days. At the end of 3 months, I kept the same diet but added alcohol back. >>I am still pretty much with the same thing with the exception of I now eat >>green veggies several times a week. When I seem to plateau, I cut out the >>booze for a week. > >The induction only allows 20 carbs per day. That wasn't hard for you? >lucky you. I am hoping that I can do the induction for longer than the >2 weeks, though I doubt that would be able to go for 3 months. But who >knows. Don't. A successful "diet" is when it results in a permanent change in eating. If you can't stick to it, you may suffer a severe bounce back of weight. Not to mention wrongly thinking not sticking to an extreme phase of a diet is a "failure". Induction is a shock treatment--to illustrate to the dieters the severe effects excess sugar have been having on them--but it is not maintainable. Your body will eventually fight you on it. I did 5 weeks of induction and then boredom got to me. However I lost weight better at 35 carbs and I felt better once I moved above 25 carbs. I will probably never do 20 a day--it takes a lot of willpower and structure. I may go real low for a day or two to counter a bad day. But most people lose weight staying under 50 carbs a day. That is often enough to have the desired effect of reducing sugar cravings, especially if you stick to healthier low-glycemic foods (low sugar veggies, high fiber products, whole grains). DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email) |
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GQ > wrote:
>On Sat, 4 Dec 2004 18:42:07 -0500, yetanotherBob > wrote: > >>In article >, three- says... >>> Is there anyone here doing Atkin's Diet? If so, how do you like it and >>> has it worked for you? >>> >>My wife and I did what amounted to Atkins for two weeks, but we did so >>as part of the South Beach diet. This Atkins-Lite approach had the >>desired effect, but two weeks was plenty for both of us. Now we adhere >>to the much more sensible and sustainable South Beach guidelines, and >>continue to move toward our weight loss goals. >> >>Personally, I would not have considered Atkins by itself. South Beach >>made a lot more sense to me, and the results have been good, even with >>more than a few Thanksgiving deviations. > >So, what is the difference in Atkins and South Beach? I've read both books and Atkins didn't believe consumption of fat = weight gain or buildup of fats in the bloodstream. Agaston stresses better fats and in moderate amounts. For instance he advocates eating moe carbs to minimize fats: For instance: skim milk(South Beach) vs. cream/half-n-half(Atkins) Skim milk contains more sugars than cream. You tend to use just a little cream in coffee tea, and much more skim milk to produce the same color. Low fat sour cream(S.B) vs. regular sour cream(A) Regular sour cream 1-2 carbs/5g fat/60 calories per serving Fat Free sour cream 3-6 carbs/0g fat/20-35 calories per serving Fat free ups the sugar to make up for loss of taste in fat (sodium goes up too). Atkins theory is your hunger will be better satisfied by eating using a small amount of real sour cream than by a more sugary fat free substitute. He believe fat has a satisfaction factor for hunger. Studies has shown that protein causes a significant reduction in hunger. Atkins advocates veggies, low glycemic veggies(although the GI wasn't didn't exist when he wrote the original book. He pushes fiber. He also felt that people suffered from allergic reactions to processed/carby foods and eliminating them from the diet would give you an oopportunity to see if it cleared up problems. People anecdotally report acid reflux disapearing, better skin, better hair, and allergies lessening. Agaston doesn't mention any of that. Agaston mentions pairing foods. Carbs should be eated with protein and fats in combination. There are arguments that this takes advantage of certain aspects of digestion. But fat really is the big difference--and why Atkins is hated (not sicouraged--rabidly hated). When the doctor associations came out with the FAT IS BAD diets in the 1970's Atkins fought it saying there wasn't enough studies that clearly proved an advantage to low-fat. If you are old enough you will remember when all fats were declared bad... Eggs, all oils (including olive and canola)--these were declared unhealthy, and this was before the Omega Oils were advocated to be healthy. Years ago, 2 eggs per week were more than you should eat. Now the AMA refuses to set a limit on eggs and others now say a egg a day (250% increase) is okay. Olive oil is heart healthy--no longer banned. Transfat is zeroed in as the worst. Atkins said all along that fats were not the evils that were being drummed into our heads. It is the primary reason why doctors froth at the mouth at the mention of Atkins. "All those fats will clog your arteries". Well there is no evidence that that is true, in fact the exact opposite. But changing something that is so long accepted as god's Truth is difficult for doctors to collectively do. Its hard to say you've been giving out bad advice for 30 years! Hope that helps. DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email) |
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GQ > wrote:
>On Sat, 4 Dec 2004 18:42:07 -0500, yetanotherBob > wrote: > >>In article >, three- says... >>> Is there anyone here doing Atkin's Diet? If so, how do you like it and >>> has it worked for you? >>> >>My wife and I did what amounted to Atkins for two weeks, but we did so >>as part of the South Beach diet. This Atkins-Lite approach had the >>desired effect, but two weeks was plenty for both of us. Now we adhere >>to the much more sensible and sustainable South Beach guidelines, and >>continue to move toward our weight loss goals. >> >>Personally, I would not have considered Atkins by itself. South Beach >>made a lot more sense to me, and the results have been good, even with >>more than a few Thanksgiving deviations. > >So, what is the difference in Atkins and South Beach? I've read both books and Atkins didn't believe consumption of fat = weight gain or buildup of fats in the bloodstream. Agaston stresses better fats and in moderate amounts. For instance he advocates eating moe carbs to minimize fats: For instance: skim milk(South Beach) vs. cream/half-n-half(Atkins) Skim milk contains more sugars than cream. You tend to use just a little cream in coffee tea, and much more skim milk to produce the same color. Low fat sour cream(S.B) vs. regular sour cream(A) Regular sour cream 1-2 carbs/5g fat/60 calories per serving Fat Free sour cream 3-6 carbs/0g fat/20-35 calories per serving Fat free ups the sugar to make up for loss of taste in fat (sodium goes up too). Atkins theory is your hunger will be better satisfied by eating using a small amount of real sour cream than by a more sugary fat free substitute. He believe fat has a satisfaction factor for hunger. Studies has shown that protein causes a significant reduction in hunger. Atkins advocates veggies, low glycemic veggies(although the GI wasn't didn't exist when he wrote the original book. He pushes fiber. He also felt that people suffered from allergic reactions to processed/carby foods and eliminating them from the diet would give you an oopportunity to see if it cleared up problems. People anecdotally report acid reflux disapearing, better skin, better hair, and allergies lessening. Agaston doesn't mention any of that. Agaston mentions pairing foods. Carbs should be eated with protein and fats in combination. There are arguments that this takes advantage of certain aspects of digestion. But fat really is the big difference--and why Atkins is hated (not sicouraged--rabidly hated). When the doctor associations came out with the FAT IS BAD diets in the 1970's Atkins fought it saying there wasn't enough studies that clearly proved an advantage to low-fat. If you are old enough you will remember when all fats were declared bad... Eggs, all oils (including olive and canola)--these were declared unhealthy, and this was before the Omega Oils were advocated to be healthy. Years ago, 2 eggs per week were more than you should eat. Now the AMA refuses to set a limit on eggs and others now say a egg a day (250% increase) is okay. Olive oil is heart healthy--no longer banned. Transfat is zeroed in as the worst. Atkins said all along that fats were not the evils that were being drummed into our heads. It is the primary reason why doctors froth at the mouth at the mention of Atkins. "All those fats will clog your arteries". Well there is no evidence that that is true, in fact the exact opposite. But changing something that is so long accepted as god's Truth is difficult for doctors to collectively do. Its hard to say you've been giving out bad advice for 30 years! Hope that helps. DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email) |
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... > On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:04:24 GMT, DigitalVinyl > > wrote: > > >GQ > wrote: > > > >>Is there anyone here doing Atkin's Diet? If so, how do you like it and > >>has it worked for you? > > > >Been on it almost a year. Lost 80-85 lbs. Still more to go, but I > >don't expect to make any more progress during the holiday season. > > > >I did not shy away from fats (eggs, cheese, bacon, etc) and my > >cholesterol improved significantly. My HDL (good cholesterol) doubled > >(95% increase). LDL maintained, and triglycerides/VLDL reduced by 65%. > >My triglycerides are only 55 now(excellent). Total cholesterol under > >180. > > > >I'm finding maintenance is easy, even when I overdo. > > > > > >You'll find plenty of uninformed negative opinions about it. Including > >those with Ph.D. at the end of their name. A clinical year long > >study(one of the longest studies ever) of low fat vs low-carb found > >that they lost similar amounts of weight (low carb insignificantly > >higher), with low-carb having a lead at the 6 month point. Most > >importantly, the low-fat group didn't improve their blood lipids > >(cholestrol/fats). The low carb DID improve. That is a huge piece of > >informtaion since it counters what ever doctor believed for the last > >30 years. NO wonder so many people do low-fat to lose weight and > >reduce cholesterol and when they lose the weight the doctor turns > >around and says "your choleterol is still high, you need to take this > >expensive medication from now on." > > > > > >DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email) > > I hate to tell you this, but the Atkins / low carb fad is over. It > reached it's peak in early 2004 and began dying shortly after. > IT'S NOW OVER...... > > Let me repeat, so this is very clear. > > THE ATKINS / LOW CARB DIET FAD IS OVER > Yes the fad is over - finally! But the low carb diet goes on as an effective and healthful way to lose weight. -- Peter Aitken Remove the crap from my email address before using. |
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