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... > On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:04:24 GMT, DigitalVinyl > > wrote: > > >GQ > wrote: > > > >>Is there anyone here doing Atkin's Diet? If so, how do you like it and > >>has it worked for you? > > > >Been on it almost a year. Lost 80-85 lbs. Still more to go, but I > >don't expect to make any more progress during the holiday season. > > > >I did not shy away from fats (eggs, cheese, bacon, etc) and my > >cholesterol improved significantly. My HDL (good cholesterol) doubled > >(95% increase). LDL maintained, and triglycerides/VLDL reduced by 65%. > >My triglycerides are only 55 now(excellent). Total cholesterol under > >180. > > > >I'm finding maintenance is easy, even when I overdo. > > > > > >You'll find plenty of uninformed negative opinions about it. Including > >those with Ph.D. at the end of their name. A clinical year long > >study(one of the longest studies ever) of low fat vs low-carb found > >that they lost similar amounts of weight (low carb insignificantly > >higher), with low-carb having a lead at the 6 month point. Most > >importantly, the low-fat group didn't improve their blood lipids > >(cholestrol/fats). The low carb DID improve. That is a huge piece of > >informtaion since it counters what ever doctor believed for the last > >30 years. NO wonder so many people do low-fat to lose weight and > >reduce cholesterol and when they lose the weight the doctor turns > >around and says "your choleterol is still high, you need to take this > >expensive medication from now on." > > > > > >DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email) > > I hate to tell you this, but the Atkins / low carb fad is over. It > reached it's peak in early 2004 and began dying shortly after. > IT'S NOW OVER...... > > Let me repeat, so this is very clear. > > THE ATKINS / LOW CARB DIET FAD IS OVER > Yes the fad is over - finally! But the low carb diet goes on as an effective and healthful way to lose weight. -- Peter Aitken Remove the crap from my email address before using. |
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> I hate to tell you this, but the Atkins / low carb fad is > over. It > reached it's peak in early 2004 and began dying shortly > after. > IT'S NOW OVER...... > Let me repeat, so this is very clear. > THE ATKINS / LOW CARB DIET FAD IS OVER > You can go back to eating normal food again. > Please dispose of you Atkins books. They are no longer > useful. I sense sarcasm but for the record: The first issue of "Dr Atkins' Diet Revolution" appeared in 1972--a third of a century before 2004. That's a long time for a fad to reach its peak. Not counting occasional (and sometimes sustained) off-the-wagon-fallings, I've been on Atkins since the 1976. When I go off it, my weight goes up and my cholesterol goes through the roof. When I go back on, both go down. So long as I remain on it, both remain stable. -- Bob Kanyak's Doghouse http://www.kanyak.com |
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> The first issue of "Dr Atkins' Diet Revolution" appeared in 1972--a
> third of a century before 2004. That's a long time for a fad to reach > its peak. Not counting occasional (and sometimes sustained) > off-the-wagon-fallings, I've been on Atkins since the 1976. When I go > off it, my weight goes up and my cholesterol goes through the roof. When > I go back on, both go down. So long as I remain on it, both remain stable. > And it wasn't a new idea then. Quickie search I did a while back turned up low-carb diets for diabetics in the 1920's. --Charlene -- Christmas: A warm and cheery two-month festival that celebrates the joy of retail merchandise. -- Bayan, Rick; The Cynic's Dictionary, 2002 email perronnelle at earthlink . net |
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> The first issue of "Dr Atkins' Diet Revolution" appeared in 1972--a
> third of a century before 2004. That's a long time for a fad to reach > its peak. Not counting occasional (and sometimes sustained) > off-the-wagon-fallings, I've been on Atkins since the 1976. When I go > off it, my weight goes up and my cholesterol goes through the roof. When > I go back on, both go down. So long as I remain on it, both remain stable. > And it wasn't a new idea then. Quickie search I did a while back turned up low-carb diets for diabetics in the 1920's. --Charlene -- Christmas: A warm and cheery two-month festival that celebrates the joy of retail merchandise. -- Bayan, Rick; The Cynic's Dictionary, 2002 email perronnelle at earthlink . net |
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Charlene Charette wrote:
||| The first issue of "Dr Atkins' Diet Revolution" appeared in ||| 1972--a ||| third of a century before 2004. That's a long time for a fad ||| to reach ||| its peak. Not counting occasional (and sometimes sustained) ||| off-the-wagon-fallings, I've been on Atkins since the 1976. ||| When I go ||| off it, my weight goes up and my cholesterol goes through ||| the roof. When I go back on, both go down. So long as I ||| remain on it, both remain stable. ||| || || And it wasn't a new idea then. Quickie search I did a while || back turned up low-carb diets for diabetics in the 1920's. || || --Charlene || How about 1869... :-) BJ http://www.lowcarb.ca/corpulence/index.html |
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Charlene Charette wrote:
||| The first issue of "Dr Atkins' Diet Revolution" appeared in ||| 1972--a ||| third of a century before 2004. That's a long time for a fad ||| to reach ||| its peak. Not counting occasional (and sometimes sustained) ||| off-the-wagon-fallings, I've been on Atkins since the 1976. ||| When I go ||| off it, my weight goes up and my cholesterol goes through ||| the roof. When I go back on, both go down. So long as I ||| remain on it, both remain stable. ||| || || And it wasn't a new idea then. Quickie search I did a while || back turned up low-carb diets for diabetics in the 1920's. || || --Charlene || How about 1869... :-) BJ http://www.lowcarb.ca/corpulence/index.html |
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In alt.support.diet.low-carb Carmen > wrote:
.... > I hope this new diet eliminates food by shape. "Don't be square, be > slim!" Sure, I'd have to avoid fudge covered graham crackers and sheet > cake, but I'd have an excellent excuse not to eat tofu ever again. It could mean... donuts? A man can dare to hope? Dan 325/193/190 Atkins since 1/1/02 (yeah, it was a New Year's Resolution) Besetting sins: good beer, German bread, and Krispy Kremes |
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BJ in Texas wrote:
> Charlene Charette wrote: > ||| The first issue of "Dr Atkins' Diet Revolution" appeared in > ||| 1972--a > ||| third of a century before 2004. That's a long time for a fad > ||| to reach > ||| its peak. Not counting occasional (and sometimes sustained) > ||| off-the-wagon-fallings, I've been on Atkins since the 1976. > ||| When I go > ||| off it, my weight goes up and my cholesterol goes through > ||| the roof. When I go back on, both go down. So long as I > ||| remain on it, both remain stable. > ||| > || > || And it wasn't a new idea then. Quickie search I did a while > || back turned up low-carb diets for diabetics in the 1920's. > || > || --Charlene > || > > How about 1869... :-) BJ > http://www.lowcarb.ca/corpulence/index.html > > Cool! Thanks, --Charlene -- Christmas: A warm and cheery two-month festival that celebrates the joy of retail merchandise. -- Bayan, Rick; The Cynic's Dictionary, 2002 email perronnelle at earthlink . net |
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> wrote in message ... > On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:04:24 GMT, DigitalVinyl > > wrote: > >>GQ > wrote: >> >>>Is there anyone here doing Atkin's Diet? If so, how do you like it and >>>has it worked for you? >> >>Been on it almost a year. Lost 80-85 lbs. Still more to go, but I >>don't expect to make any more progress during the holiday season. >> >>I did not shy away from fats (eggs, cheese, bacon, etc) and my >>cholesterol improved significantly. My HDL (good cholesterol) doubled >>(95% increase). LDL maintained, and triglycerides/VLDL reduced by 65%. >>My triglycerides are only 55 now(excellent). Total cholesterol under >>180. >> >>I'm finding maintenance is easy, even when I overdo. >> >> >>You'll find plenty of uninformed negative opinions about it. Including >>those with Ph.D. at the end of their name. A clinical year long >>study(one of the longest studies ever) of low fat vs low-carb found >>that they lost similar amounts of weight (low carb insignificantly >>higher), with low-carb having a lead at the 6 month point. Most >>importantly, the low-fat group didn't improve their blood lipids >>(cholestrol/fats). The low carb DID improve. That is a huge piece of >>informtaion since it counters what ever doctor believed for the last >>30 years. NO wonder so many people do low-fat to lose weight and >>reduce cholesterol and when they lose the weight the doctor turns >>around and says "your choleterol is still high, you need to take this >>expensive medication from now on." >> >> >>DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email) > > I hate to tell you this, but the Atkins / low carb fad is over. It > reached it's peak in early 2004 and began dying shortly after. > IT'S NOW OVER...... > > Let me repeat, so this is very clear. > > THE ATKINS / LOW CARB DIET FAD IS OVER > > You can go back to eating normal food again. > Please dispose of you Atkins books. They are no longer useful. > > Anyone who continues to do any form of Atkins and/or Low Carb diet > after the end of 2004 is outdated, obsolete, and will be looked upon > as a relic, a has-been, and/or a fool. > > Please be aware, a new diet plan will be available shortly after the > start of the new year. This will require you to purchase new books > and will eliminate an entirely different food group giving you another > challenge, and another health risk to encounter. Start saving your > money now, so you are prepared to purchase all the necessary items for > this new diet plan,while the excitement grows. In the meantime, enjoy > the break between diet plans during which time you are encouraged to > eat anything and everything you want, and put on huge amounts of > weight in order to regain your strength before you are once again > stress your metabolism into another shock method to test your > willpower and challenge your body to see if it survives. > Bullshit. |
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In article <ak7yd.372$4h.134@okepread03>,
"Jim Bard" > wrote: > > wrote in message > ... > > On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:04:24 GMT, DigitalVinyl > > > wrote: > > > >>GQ > wrote: > >> > >>>Is there anyone here doing Atkin's Diet? If so, how do you like it and > >>>has it worked for you? > >> > >>Been on it almost a year. Lost 80-85 lbs. Still more to go, but I > >>don't expect to make any more progress during the holiday season. > >> > >>I did not shy away from fats (eggs, cheese, bacon, etc) and my > >>cholesterol improved significantly. My HDL (good cholesterol) doubled > >>(95% increase). LDL maintained, and triglycerides/VLDL reduced by 65%. > >>My triglycerides are only 55 now(excellent). Total cholesterol under > >>180. > >> > >>I'm finding maintenance is easy, even when I overdo. > >> > >> > >>You'll find plenty of uninformed negative opinions about it. Including > >>those with Ph.D. at the end of their name. A clinical year long > >>study(one of the longest studies ever) of low fat vs low-carb found > >>that they lost similar amounts of weight (low carb insignificantly > >>higher), with low-carb having a lead at the 6 month point. Most > >>importantly, the low-fat group didn't improve their blood lipids > >>(cholestrol/fats). The low carb DID improve. That is a huge piece of > >>informtaion since it counters what ever doctor believed for the last > >>30 years. NO wonder so many people do low-fat to lose weight and > >>reduce cholesterol and when they lose the weight the doctor turns > >>around and says "your choleterol is still high, you need to take this > >>expensive medication from now on." > >> > >> > >>DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email) > > > > I hate to tell you this, but the Atkins / low carb fad is over. It > > reached it's peak in early 2004 and began dying shortly after. > > IT'S NOW OVER...... > > > > Let me repeat, so this is very clear. > > > > THE ATKINS / LOW CARB DIET FAD IS OVER > > > > You can go back to eating normal food again. > > Please dispose of you Atkins books. They are no longer useful. > > > > Anyone who continues to do any form of Atkins and/or Low Carb diet > > after the end of 2004 is outdated, obsolete, and will be looked upon > > as a relic, a has-been, and/or a fool. > > > > Please be aware, a new diet plan will be available shortly after the > > start of the new year. This will require you to purchase new books > > and will eliminate an entirely different food group giving you another > > challenge, and another health risk to encounter. Start saving your > > money now, so you are prepared to purchase all the necessary items for > > this new diet plan,while the excitement grows. In the meantime, enjoy > > the break between diet plans during which time you are encouraged to > > eat anything and everything you want, and put on huge amounts of > > weight in order to regain your strength before you are once again > > stress your metabolism into another shock method to test your > > willpower and challenge your body to see if it survives. > > > Bullshit. > > It's. A. Joke. Duh! -- K. |
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"DigitalVinyl" > wrote in message ... > Low carbohydrate diets were first introduced before 1880. And the > entire profession of medicine has been assigning people to low > carbohydrate diets for decades--Pssst! it's what every diabetic eats When I began diabetic at age 23 (I'm 46 now) they did not recommend I eat a LC diet. The one they did recommend diet was deadly (IMO). Just FYI. .. |
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In article >,
"Roger Zoul" > wrote: > "DigitalVinyl" > wrote in message > ... > > Low carbohydrate diets were first introduced before 1880. And the > > entire profession of medicine has been assigning people to low > > carbohydrate diets for decades--Pssst! it's what every diabetic eats > > When I began diabetic at age 23 (I'm 46 now) they did not recommend I eat a > LC diet. The one they did recommend diet was deadly (IMO). Just FYI. > . > > Unfortunately, you are correct... I've seen the diets at work (high carb, low fat frequent meals) and seen the resulting high glucose levels that are then treated with higher doses of insulin... It sux. -- K. |
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Hi Dan,
On 21-Dec-2004, Daniel Hoffmeister > wrote: > In alt.support.diet.low-carb Carmen > wrote: > ... > > I hope this new diet eliminates food by shape. "Don't be square, > > be slim!" Sure, I'd have to avoid fudge covered graham crackers > > and > > sheet cake, but I'd have an excellent excuse not to eat tofu ever > > again. > > It could mean... donuts? A man can dare to hope? > > Dan > 325/193/190 > Atkins since 1/1/02 (yeah, it was a New Year's Resolution) > Besetting sins: good beer, German bread, and Krispy Kremes <laughing> Last night at Kroger there was a Krispy Kreme delivery truck and a Wells Fargo truck parked outside. Of the two the one my husband and I joked about hijacking was the Krememobile. <G> DH is godawful thin with a high metabolism and no diabetes (despite being 41 on the 28th of December) so KKs aren't off limits for him. Cretin. ;-) Good thing I love him. Take care and fight the Kreme! Carmen |
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In article >,
says... > In article >, > "Roger Zoul" > wrote: > > > "DigitalVinyl" > wrote in message > > ... > > > Low carbohydrate diets were first introduced before 1880. And the > > > entire profession of medicine has been assigning people to low > > > carbohydrate diets for decades--Pssst! it's what every diabetic eats > > > > When I began diabetic at age 23 (I'm 46 now) they did not recommend I eat a > > LC diet. The one they did recommend diet was deadly (IMO). Just FYI. > > . > > > > > > Unfortunately, you are correct... > > I've seen the diets at work (high carb, low fat frequent meals) and seen > the resulting high glucose levels that are then treated with higher > doses of insulin... > > It sux. Whenever my mother has been in the hospital, her blood sugar has gone way up and necessitated them giving her insulin shots. -- Saffire 205/147/125 - 5'1.5" Atkins since 6/14/03 Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333 |
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"Roger Zoul" > wrote:
> >"DigitalVinyl" > wrote in message .. . >> Low carbohydrate diets were first introduced before 1880. And the >> entire profession of medicine has been assigning people to low >> carbohydrate diets for decades--Pssst! it's what every diabetic eats > >When I began diabetic at age 23 (I'm 46 now) they did not recommend I eat a >LC diet. The one they did recommend diet was deadly (IMO). Just FYI. I would tend to agree. I eat less sugars than insulin dependant diabetics who are suffering from serious problems (loss of vision, leg problems). But their diets are lower carb, people jsut don't equate dangerous, crazy low carb with the same logic that has been "safely" prescribed to diabetics. DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email) |
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"Roger Zoul" > wrote:
> >"DigitalVinyl" > wrote in message .. . >> Low carbohydrate diets were first introduced before 1880. And the >> entire profession of medicine has been assigning people to low >> carbohydrate diets for decades--Pssst! it's what every diabetic eats > >When I began diabetic at age 23 (I'm 46 now) they did not recommend I eat a >LC diet. The one they did recommend diet was deadly (IMO). Just FYI. I would tend to agree. I eat less sugars than insulin dependant diabetics who are suffering from serious problems (loss of vision, leg problems). But their diets are lower carb, people jsut don't equate dangerous, crazy low carb with the same logic that has been "safely" prescribed to diabetics. DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email) |
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In article >,
Saffire > wrote: > In article >, > says... > > In article >, > > "Roger Zoul" > wrote: > > > > > "DigitalVinyl" > wrote in message > > > ... > > > > Low carbohydrate diets were first introduced before 1880. And the > > > > entire profession of medicine has been assigning people to low > > > > carbohydrate diets for decades--Pssst! it's what every diabetic eats > > > > > > When I began diabetic at age 23 (I'm 46 now) they did not recommend I eat > > > a > > > LC diet. The one they did recommend diet was deadly (IMO). Just FYI. > > > . > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, you are correct... > > > > I've seen the diets at work (high carb, low fat frequent meals) and seen > > the resulting high glucose levels that are then treated with higher > > doses of insulin... > > > > It sux. > > Whenever my mother has been in the hospital, her blood sugar has gone > way up and necessitated them giving her insulin shots. > > -- > Saffire Thanks for confirming the point. ;-) High starch and sugar. They serve them fruits and sandwiches with white bread... WTF is up with that anyway??? -- K. |
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In article >,
Saffire > wrote: > In article >, > says... > > In article >, > > "Roger Zoul" > wrote: > > > > > "DigitalVinyl" > wrote in message > > > ... > > > > Low carbohydrate diets were first introduced before 1880. And the > > > > entire profession of medicine has been assigning people to low > > > > carbohydrate diets for decades--Pssst! it's what every diabetic eats > > > > > > When I began diabetic at age 23 (I'm 46 now) they did not recommend I eat > > > a > > > LC diet. The one they did recommend diet was deadly (IMO). Just FYI. > > > . > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, you are correct... > > > > I've seen the diets at work (high carb, low fat frequent meals) and seen > > the resulting high glucose levels that are then treated with higher > > doses of insulin... > > > > It sux. > > Whenever my mother has been in the hospital, her blood sugar has gone > way up and necessitated them giving her insulin shots. > > -- > Saffire Thanks for confirming the point. ;-) High starch and sugar. They serve them fruits and sandwiches with white bread... WTF is up with that anyway??? -- K. |
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Hi,
Carmen: > >> > I hope this new diet eliminates food by shape. "Don't be > >> > square, be slim!" Sure, I'd have to avoid fudge covered graham > >> > crackers > >> > and sheet cake, but I'd have an excellent excuse not to eat > >> > tofu > >> > ever again. Dan: > >> It could mean... donuts? A man can dare to hope? > >> > >> Dan > >> 325/193/190 > >> Atkins since 1/1/02 (yeah, it was a New Year's Resolution) > >> Besetting sins: good beer, German bread, and Krispy Kremes Carmen: > ><laughing> Last night at Kroger there was a Krispy Kreme delivery > >truck and a Wells Fargo truck parked outside. Of the two the one > >my husband and I joked about hijacking was the Krememobile. <G> > >DH > >is godawful thin with a high metabolism and no diabetes (despite > >being > >41 on the 28th of December) so KKs aren't off limits for him. > >Cretin. > > > >;-) Good thing I love him. > > > >Take care and fight the Kreme! > >Carmen Graphic Queen: > I would be lucky since I can't stand KK donuts. I just think they > are too godawful sweet, just seems to be sugar and nothing else. Carmen: Ah, but for the fans that's what makes them special. They're a delicate sugar glaze over a melt-in-your-mouth puff of barely there pastry. <G> Graphic Queen: > I tend to like donuts from donut shops that are mom and pop owned > instead of > the chain ones. But he is so lucky to have that kind of metabolism. > My > husband was the same way and could anything he ever wanted, but that > was when he was 41. By the time he got to 60, a few years ago, he > had to start watching his weight and all. Carmen: DH has always been very thin. He had to gain weight to join the military. Who would have thought they'd have weight *minimums*? If I recall, he had to weigh 147 pounds at 6'5" tall. Now he's a more robust 185, but at his height he's got a long way to go before he's in danger of bumping up against the Army's height-weight standards. With physical training being a mandatory part of his job that's not likely. Your DH is pretty lucky, since most men seem to start going to pot(bellies) in their early 30s. As long as he keeps mindful of his weight he might hang around to get underfoot for years to come. I hope so for your sake. :-) Take care, Carmen |
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Hi,
Carmen: > >> > I hope this new diet eliminates food by shape. "Don't be > >> > square, be slim!" Sure, I'd have to avoid fudge covered graham > >> > crackers > >> > and sheet cake, but I'd have an excellent excuse not to eat > >> > tofu > >> > ever again. Dan: > >> It could mean... donuts? A man can dare to hope? > >> > >> Dan > >> 325/193/190 > >> Atkins since 1/1/02 (yeah, it was a New Year's Resolution) > >> Besetting sins: good beer, German bread, and Krispy Kremes Carmen: > ><laughing> Last night at Kroger there was a Krispy Kreme delivery > >truck and a Wells Fargo truck parked outside. Of the two the one > >my husband and I joked about hijacking was the Krememobile. <G> > >DH > >is godawful thin with a high metabolism and no diabetes (despite > >being > >41 on the 28th of December) so KKs aren't off limits for him. > >Cretin. > > > >;-) Good thing I love him. > > > >Take care and fight the Kreme! > >Carmen Graphic Queen: > I would be lucky since I can't stand KK donuts. I just think they > are too godawful sweet, just seems to be sugar and nothing else. Carmen: Ah, but for the fans that's what makes them special. They're a delicate sugar glaze over a melt-in-your-mouth puff of barely there pastry. <G> Graphic Queen: > I tend to like donuts from donut shops that are mom and pop owned > instead of > the chain ones. But he is so lucky to have that kind of metabolism. > My > husband was the same way and could anything he ever wanted, but that > was when he was 41. By the time he got to 60, a few years ago, he > had to start watching his weight and all. Carmen: DH has always been very thin. He had to gain weight to join the military. Who would have thought they'd have weight *minimums*? If I recall, he had to weigh 147 pounds at 6'5" tall. Now he's a more robust 185, but at his height he's got a long way to go before he's in danger of bumping up against the Army's height-weight standards. With physical training being a mandatory part of his job that's not likely. Your DH is pretty lucky, since most men seem to start going to pot(bellies) in their early 30s. As long as he keeps mindful of his weight he might hang around to get underfoot for years to come. I hope so for your sake. :-) Take care, Carmen |
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Like most of these 'diets',Atkins has seen its day.My aunt went to a
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Hi, > >Carmen: > >Your DH is pretty lucky, since most men seem to start going to > >pot(bellies) in their early 30s. As long as he keeps mindful of > >his weight he might hang around to get underfoot for years to come. > > I > >hope so for your sake. :-) Graphic Queen: > he is lucky and I do love him so. Sounds like yours is also lucky > and lucky to have you. He seems to think so, and vice-versa, so I think we'll last. 17 years and counting, and I not only love him more now, I also *like* him more now than when I married him. That's probably a good sign. :-) Enjoy your time with DH, and have a peaceful holiday season. Take care, Carmen |
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Hi, > >Carmen: > >Your DH is pretty lucky, since most men seem to start going to > >pot(bellies) in their early 30s. As long as he keeps mindful of > >his weight he might hang around to get underfoot for years to come. > > I > >hope so for your sake. :-) Graphic Queen: > he is lucky and I do love him so. Sounds like yours is also lucky > and lucky to have you. He seems to think so, and vice-versa, so I think we'll last. 17 years and counting, and I not only love him more now, I also *like* him more now than when I married him. That's probably a good sign. :-) Enjoy your time with DH, and have a peaceful holiday season. Take care, Carmen |
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|| || He seems to think so, and vice-versa, so I think we'll last. 17 || years and counting, and I not only love him more now, I also *like* || him more now than when I married him. That's probably a good sign. || :-) Wow....so what is the secret? |
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> wrote: > On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 21:44:28 -0500, "Roger Zoul" > > wrote: > > >Carmen wrote: > >|| > >|| He seems to think so, and vice-versa, so I think we'll last. 17 > >|| years and counting, and I not only love him more now, I also *like* > >|| him more now than when I married him. That's probably a good sign. > >|| :-) > > > >Wow....so what is the secret? > > > Respect...Love...Kindness...and Willingness to work at all times. > Marriage is not always 5-/50 like so many seem to think. Many times it > is 60/40, 80/20 and vice versa. It is just an ever changing life > between two people who promised to be together and thought it was > worth it to do it. > > Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!!! YES! And the "perfect wedding" does not always make the perfect marriage. I say that because so many people assume that if the wedding is perfect, it all stops there. I call this the "American Musical Myth." Why? Because, in the perfect American musical, all is fraught with difficulty up to the wedding, and then there's the perfect wedding. They never show what happens after the wedding. I have a friend who is divorced, whose husband emotionally and verbally abused her. Things led to other things, and her life basically went down the toilet, but all she can say, over and over (insert deep Southern accent here for affect) "But I had the most beautiful weddin'!" She did - it was the marriage that sucked. I've been married 13 years, and I have to say - it only gets better, and better - but we do work at it from time to time - with discussions, willingness to compromise, and to support the other person, even when we don't agree 100%. Of course, the other side of that is that we also agree to tell the other when the other is full of bs, which is essential - and we agree to listen, when the other says it (not in the heat of a moment, of course, though sometimes that gets revisited, too.) -- Nancy Howells (don't forget to switch it, and replace the  to send mail). |
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> wrote: > On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 21:44:28 -0500, "Roger Zoul" > > wrote: > > >Carmen wrote: > >|| > >|| He seems to think so, and vice-versa, so I think we'll last. 17 > >|| years and counting, and I not only love him more now, I also *like* > >|| him more now than when I married him. That's probably a good sign. > >|| :-) > > > >Wow....so what is the secret? > > > Respect...Love...Kindness...and Willingness to work at all times. > Marriage is not always 5-/50 like so many seem to think. Many times it > is 60/40, 80/20 and vice versa. It is just an ever changing life > between two people who promised to be together and thought it was > worth it to do it. > > Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!!! YES! And the "perfect wedding" does not always make the perfect marriage. I say that because so many people assume that if the wedding is perfect, it all stops there. I call this the "American Musical Myth." Why? Because, in the perfect American musical, all is fraught with difficulty up to the wedding, and then there's the perfect wedding. They never show what happens after the wedding. I have a friend who is divorced, whose husband emotionally and verbally abused her. Things led to other things, and her life basically went down the toilet, but all she can say, over and over (insert deep Southern accent here for affect) "But I had the most beautiful weddin'!" She did - it was the marriage that sucked. I've been married 13 years, and I have to say - it only gets better, and better - but we do work at it from time to time - with discussions, willingness to compromise, and to support the other person, even when we don't agree 100%. Of course, the other side of that is that we also agree to tell the other when the other is full of bs, which is essential - and we agree to listen, when the other says it (not in the heat of a moment, of course, though sometimes that gets revisited, too.) -- Nancy Howells (don't forget to switch it, and replace the to send mail). |
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Graphic Q wrote:
|| On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 21:44:28 -0500, "Roger Zoul" || > wrote: || ||| Carmen wrote: ||||| ||||| He seems to think so, and vice-versa, so I think we'll last. 17 ||||| years and counting, and I not only love him more now, I also ||||| *like* him more now than when I married him. That's probably a ||||| good sign. :-) ||| ||| Wow....so what is the secret? ||| || Respect...Love...Kindness...and Willingness to work at all times. || Marriage is not always 5-/50 like so many seem to think. Many times || it is 60/40, 80/20 and vice versa. It is just an ever changing life || between two people who promised to be together and thought it was || worth it to do it. || || Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!!! Thanks for your comments. |
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Graphic Q wrote:
|| On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 21:44:28 -0500, "Roger Zoul" || > wrote: || ||| Carmen wrote: ||||| ||||| He seems to think so, and vice-versa, so I think we'll last. 17 ||||| years and counting, and I not only love him more now, I also ||||| *like* him more now than when I married him. That's probably a ||||| good sign. :-) ||| ||| Wow....so what is the secret? ||| || Respect...Love...Kindness...and Willingness to work at all times. || Marriage is not always 5-/50 like so many seem to think. Many times || it is 60/40, 80/20 and vice versa. It is just an ever changing life || between two people who promised to be together and thought it was || worth it to do it. || || Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!!! Thanks for your comments. |
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On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 21:44:28 -0500, Roger Zoul wrote:
> Carmen wrote: >|| >|| He seems to think so, and vice-versa, so I think we'll last. 17 >|| years and counting, and I not only love him more now, I also *like* >|| him more now than when I married him. That's probably a good sign. >|| :-) > > Wow....so what is the secret? Don't be an asshole. |
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On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 21:44:28 -0500, Roger Zoul wrote:
> Carmen wrote: >|| >|| He seems to think so, and vice-versa, so I think we'll last. 17 >|| years and counting, and I not only love him more now, I also *like* >|| him more now than when I married him. That's probably a good sign. >|| :-) > > Wow....so what is the secret? Don't be an asshole. |
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On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 02:29:38 GMT, Carmen wrote:
> He seems to think so, and vice-versa, so I think we'll last. 17 years > and counting, 31 going on 38. >and I not only love him more now, I also *like* him more > now than when I married him. That's probably a good sign. :-) Same here. |
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On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 02:29:38 GMT, Carmen wrote:
> He seems to think so, and vice-versa, so I think we'll last. 17 years > and counting, 31 going on 38. >and I not only love him more now, I also *like* him more > now than when I married him. That's probably a good sign. :-) Same here. |
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And you don't necessary even need a wediding or marriage to have a good
relationship. My SO and I have lived together for 22 years, I promised him 50, if we make it that long we'll both be too decrepit to run off with anyone else. We had some rocky times early on but it looks now like it will last. :-) In , Nancy Howells > stated | | YES! And the "perfect wedding" does not always make the perfect | marriage. I say that because so many people assume that if the | wedding is perfect, it all stops there. I call this the "American | Musical Myth." Why? Because, in the perfect American musical, all is | fraught with difficulty up to the wedding, and then there's the | perfect wedding. They never show what happens after the wedding. | | I have a friend who is divorced, whose husband emotionally and | verbally abused her. Things led to other things, and her life | basically went down the toilet, but all she can say, over and over | (insert deep Southern accent here for affect) "But I had the most | beautiful weddin'!" | | She did - it was the marriage that sucked. | | I've been married 13 years, and I have to say - it only gets better, | and better - but we do work at it from time to time - with | discussions, willingness to compromise, and to support the other | person, even when we don't agree 100%. Of course, the other side of | that is that we also agree to tell the other when the other is full | of bs, which is essential - and we agree to listen, when the other | says it (not in the heat of a moment, of course, though sometimes | that gets revisited, too.) |
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And you don't necessary even need a wediding or marriage to have a good
relationship. My SO and I have lived together for 22 years, I promised him 50, if we make it that long we'll both be too decrepit to run off with anyone else. We had some rocky times early on but it looks now like it will last. :-) In , Nancy Howells > stated | | YES! And the "perfect wedding" does not always make the perfect | marriage. I say that because so many people assume that if the | wedding is perfect, it all stops there. I call this the "American | Musical Myth." Why? Because, in the perfect American musical, all is | fraught with difficulty up to the wedding, and then there's the | perfect wedding. They never show what happens after the wedding. | | I have a friend who is divorced, whose husband emotionally and | verbally abused her. Things led to other things, and her life | basically went down the toilet, but all she can say, over and over | (insert deep Southern accent here for affect) "But I had the most | beautiful weddin'!" | | She did - it was the marriage that sucked. | | I've been married 13 years, and I have to say - it only gets better, | and better - but we do work at it from time to time - with | discussions, willingness to compromise, and to support the other | person, even when we don't agree 100%. Of course, the other side of | that is that we also agree to tell the other when the other is full | of bs, which is essential - and we agree to listen, when the other | says it (not in the heat of a moment, of course, though sometimes | that gets revisited, too.) |
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Oops, I was a year off, it's 23 years.
In m, FOB > stated | And you don't necessary even need a wediding or marriage to have a | good relationship. My SO and I have lived together for 22 years, I | promised him 50, if we make it that long we'll both be too decrepit | to run off with anyone else. We had some rocky times early on but | it looks now like it will last. :-) | | In , | Nancy Howells > stated || || YES! And the "perfect wedding" does not always make the perfect || marriage. I say that because so many people assume that if the || wedding is perfect, it all stops there. I call this the "American || Musical Myth." Why? Because, in the perfect American musical, all is || fraught with difficulty up to the wedding, and then there's the || perfect wedding. They never show what happens after the wedding. || || I have a friend who is divorced, whose husband emotionally and || verbally abused her. Things led to other things, and her life || basically went down the toilet, but all she can say, over and over || (insert deep Southern accent here for affect) "But I had the most || beautiful weddin'!" || || She did - it was the marriage that sucked. || || I've been married 13 years, and I have to say - it only gets better, || and better - but we do work at it from time to time - with || discussions, willingness to compromise, and to support the other || person, even when we don't agree 100%. Of course, the other side of || that is that we also agree to tell the other when the other is full || of bs, which is essential - and we agree to listen, when the other || says it (not in the heat of a moment, of course, though sometimes || that gets revisited, too.) |
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